Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: 24KT on February 14, 2007, 09:19:11 AM
-
...discuss.
-
This is poiltical ???
-
It's economics.....AND a door opener ;D
-
a lot of the jobs will be eliminated right here in St. Louis.
-
a lot of the jobs will be eliminated right here in St. Louis.
Same here in Detroit. It has been a rumor for a while. My friend works for their collection department and he was telling me they were going to lay off 20000 people, he was wrong about the number, but that was about 2 weeks ago.
-
This is poiltical ???
uh-huh. You see, part of the problem... (other than the fact that NA car makers make crappy cars in comparison to some imports) is a huge trade imbalance with other markets, that impose restrictions on the importation of North American cars into their markets. Trade imbalances fall under political no?
Personally, I think it's more an issue of NA cars being of less value and on one really wanting them.
-
Same here in Detroit. It has been a rumor for a while. My friend works for their collection department and he was telling me they were going to lay off 20000 people, he was wrong about the number, but that was about 2 weeks ago.
yeah they're eliminating a shift at the Fenton, MO plant, sounds like they want to get rid of a whole lot of hourly workers because of all of the overtime, a guy from my gym works there and he says they get overtime out the ass.
-
we should stop buying foreign cars if possible
-
we should stop buying foreign cars if possible
Would be a whole lot easier if we built better cars. :-\ I tried the whole "buy American" thing for years. I finally gave up on Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily) and went with a Honda (at least for the family).
-
we should stop buying foreign cars if possible
when they start making better cars instead of relying on marketing, the American public will start buying them.
-
we should stop buying foreign cars if possible
What do you consider a foreign car? If the car is built in the US do you still consider it foreign? If it's built outside the US but by a US company do you consider it foreign?
Most automakers have plants here in the US so the car you buy is built by US citizens who are earning a salary and paying taxes to the US. With a true global economy the term foreign needs to be defined.
-
What do you consider a foreign car? If the car is built in the US do you still consider it foreign? If it's built outside the US but by a US company do you consider it foreign?
Most automakers have plants here in the US so the car you buy is built by US citizens who are earning a salary and paying taxes to the US. With a true global economy the term foreign needs to be defined.
This is true. And American isn't really American anymore, as Ford has plants in Canada. :P
-
This is true. And American isn't really American anymore, as Ford has plants in Canada. :P
Exactly, and doesn't one of the big three have a plant in Mexico too?
-
I drive american, always have.
keeping plants in the us is costing these firms big time. foreigners do it cheaper and more efficiently.
-
I drive american, always have.
keeping plants in the us is costing these firms big time. foreigners do it cheaper and more efficiently.
240, nearly every car manufacturer has a plant in the US. Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Hyundai, I'm not sure about Nissan but you get the point. If it's cheaper for foreigners to build the cars why build plants here? Unions are a huge issue for the big three but enough to build plants in Canada or Mexico?
-
240, nearly every car manufacturer has a plant in the US. Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Hyundai, I'm not sure about Nissan but you get the point. If it's cheaper for foreigners to build the cars why build plants here? Unions are a huge issue for the big three but enough to build plants in Canada or Mexico?
if i live in michigan, i'm against outsourcing it.
if i'm a Ford stockholder, i'm all for outsourcing.
not just unions - cheaper labor - cost a tenth of the cost to hire a mexican. cheap in china too. plus you don't have to ship materials as far. and bush has made the tariffs very friendly for big business to bring stuff in cheap - we used to penalize companies for doing this.
-
I drive american, always have.
Yeah, well top this guy:
-
What do you consider a foreign car? If the car is built in the US do you still consider it foreign? If it's built outside the US but by a US company do you consider it foreign?
Most automakers have plants here in the US so the car you buy is built by US citizens who are earning a salary and paying taxes to the US. With a true global economy the term foreign needs to be defined.
Exactly.
The Chrysler workers will get jobs with Honda or Toyota, who have plants and offices right here in the USA. Who gives a fucck what country the CEO lives in? Companies that build inferior products generally do not prosper... that's as it should be.
-
Al Gore has one of those running in all 3 of his homes, all year long.
-
Al Gore has one of those running in all 3 of his homes, all year long.
Yes, we should trust Al about as much as we trust a Priest with 3 wives.
-
Statistically speaking, every car is within 1 percent + or - from any other car... anywhere.
There is just a general feeling that foreign automobiles are better... The real thing is that Japanese people buy Japanese cars, Germans by German cars... Italians and so forth... However, in the States, we like to buy whatever is the cheapest... Just our capitalist nature.
I don't really think any car is better than any other... I've had Chevys and Fords that have gone great distances, but I guess we all just like what we like.
-
Statistically speaking, every car is within 1 percent + or - from any other car... anywhere.
There is just a general feeling that foreign automobiles are better... The real thing is that Japanese people buy Japanese cars, Germans by German cars... Italians and so forth... However, in the States, we like to buy whatever is the cheapest... Just our capitalist nature.
I don't really think any car is better than any other... I've had Chevys and Fords that have gone great distances, but I guess we all just like what we like.
You've obviously never driven a Lada.
Oh what a feelin'.
-
You've obviously never driven a Lada.
Oh what a feelin'.
What year is that from? I'm talking about today's automobiles of course... except maybe Yugos... I can't even say Kia's are shitty... who else has a 10 year warranty?
-
What year is that from? I'm talking about today's automobiles of course... except maybe Yugos... I can't even say Kia's are shitty... who else has a 10 year warranty?
Mistubishi does here. They're in dire straights though.
-
Mistubishi does here. They're in dire straights though.
I didn't know that... Their a Daimler Chrysler company also, so I'm not shocked...
-
I didn't know that... Their a Daimler Chrysler company also, so I'm not shocked...
I think they've sold out of them now, but the damage was done I guess.
-
Would be a whole lot easier if we built better cars. :-\ I tried the whole "buy American" thing for years. I finally gave up on Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily) and went with a Honda (at least for the family).
{ROTFLOL} Really? ...wouldn't that just be ... oh I don't know... too simple a solution? :P
Why would automakers solve problems with simple solutions when they can complicate themselves into bankruptcy?
-
{ROTFLOL} Really? ...wouldn't that just be ... oh I don't know... too simple a solution? :P
Why would automakers solve problems with simple solutions when they can complicate themselves into bankruptcy?
It's because we make bigger but not better cars.
-
Gee, they seem to be able to build decent Hondas in Ohio and decent Toyotas in Kentucky... why are Michigan workers such fucck-ups?
-
This is true. And American isn't really American anymore, as Ford has plants in Canada. :P
Pretty soon at tis rate, ...the only thing coming out of Oakville will be golf pros
-
Yeah, well top this guy:
In regards to the grill, ...it's because it's a crappy engine.
The combustion isn't completing in the combustion chamber and that's why the heat is coming out the exhaust.
Now if he were using FFi's MPG-CAP (http://jme.mpgproduct.com/default.aspx?cid=50962)TM, <--click me the combustion would have completed within the chamber itself, and it would be a far more efficient and economical use of fuel.
In a vehicle, ...that means more power in the engine, and more miles per gallon. :)
Here's how it works (http://jme.myffi.biz/hiw). <--click me.
Hope That Helps, :P
-
In regards to the grill, ...it's because it's a crappy engine.
The combustion isn't completing in the combustion chamber and that's why the heat is coming out the exhaust.
Now if he were using FFi's MPG-CAP (http://jme.mpgproduct.com/default.aspx?cid=50962)TM, <--click me the combustion would have completed within the chamber itself, and it would be a far more efficient and economical use of fuel.
In a vehicle, ...that means more power in the engine, and more miles per gallon. :)
Here's how it works (http://jme.myffi.biz/hiw). <--click me.
Hope That Helps, :P
Your engine makes a crappy BBQ.
Hope that helps.
-
Your engine makes a crappy BBQ.
Hope that helps.
FFi doesn't make engines, ...we just make products that make engines run better. It's Viagra for the car :P
-
FFi doesn't make engines, ...we just make products that make engines run better. It's Viagra for the car :P
Most (ageing) Porsche drivers could do the old 'one for you, one for me' trick then.
-
Most (ageing) Porsche drivers could do the old 'one for you, one for me' trick then.
{giggle} I'm sooo scared to ask for clarification... but here it goes? Huh? ???
I've never heard of that trick before. How does it go?
-
{giggle} I'm sooo scared to ask for clarification... but here it goes? Huh? ???
I've never heard of that trick before. How does it go?
Have you seen the Simpsons episode where Homer hears about alcohol fuelled cars for the first time?
He gets to the pump and engages in this trick. Delicious.
-
{ROTFLOL} Really? ...wouldn't that just be ... oh I don't know... too simple a solution? :P
Why would automakers solve problems with simple solutions when they can complicate themselves into bankruptcy?
Tell me about it. Plus they force you to buy them more often. I make an honest effort to buy American products, unless it just doesn't make good financial sense, and it doesn't with many of our American cars.
-
...discuss.
This should not represent an ethical issue. All workers must take the risk of losing their jobs into consideration when planning their lives.
The interesting thing is figuring out why the workers are being laid off, and to learn about the strategic thinking used in teh Chrysler corp.
Who gives a f**k where the car is built? Customers want the best quality to maximize their customer surplus. If a Toyota = better than a Ford, buy the Toyota. This "buy American" shit is like admitting that American is unable to be real competitive globally. f**k tariffs. Let teh merchandise flow.
-
Tell me about it. Plus they force you to buy them more often. I make an honest effort to buy American products, unless it just doesn't make good financial sense, and it doesn't with many of our American cars.
Personally, ...I don't care about the cost (unless I can't afford it), I'm more concerned with the value,
...and I've found foreign cars provide me more value for my consumer dollar.
-
Personally, ...I don't care about the cost (unless I can't afford it), I'm more concerned with the value,
...and I've found foreign cars provide me more value for my consumer dollar.
I agree and consider the terms (cost/value) synonymous when it comes to cars. They are a horrible investment. You take it in the shorts as soon as you drive them off the lot. I want something comfortable and reliable. I don't spend that much time behind the wheel. To tell you the truth, I'm more concerned about the quality of my hammock than my car. :)
-
...discuss.
American auto industry has it head up its ass.
-
we should stop buying foreign cars if possible
I never buy anything made outside North America if I can help it.
-
The economy is great!!!
holy gimmicks batman!
tell us about why we should invade iran!
-
IRAN has WMDS!!!!!
-
Yeah, well top this guy:
boy..there goes something the world needs...a HEMI powered grill....no wonder our car industry blows goats.
-
FORDS BLOW...my sister fell into that buy american crap...and 8 weeks into the experiment she had to replace her battery--free of charge of course--6 months later it was her alternator--free of charge of course---12 months later it was more electrical issues...their reliability blows so when you drop 18k for a car you'd like to at least go 24 months without a major repair....
-
Again, as someone else mentioned, people need to stop thinking of Ford, GM, and Chrysler as "American", and all others as "foreign". That may have been true 25 or 30 years ago, but no longer. Most of the components in "American" cars are foreign made, and some of the cars are assembled in Canada and Mexico. Most of the "foreign" automakers have assembly plants right here in the US, and buy some components from US-based subcontractors.
All US auto dealerships are staffed by Americans and most are owned by Americans regardless of what kind of autos they sell, and all "foreign" automakers employ a large number of US citizens here in the US for advertising and marketing, service, HR, accounting, legal, etc.
Chrysler, which is an "American" brand is owned by a German company, while Jaguar, Volvo, and Land Rover, which are "foreign" brands are owned by an American company.
At least when it comes to vehicles, the whole "buy American" thing is a pretty useless concept in 2007, and those that proudly proclaim they subscribe to it are doing nothing more than showing they don't really understand the situation very well.
-
Again, as someone else mentioned, people need to stop thinking of Ford, GM, and Chrysler as "American", and all others as "foreign". That may have been true 25 or 30 years ago, but no longer. Most of the components in "American" cars are foreign made, and some of the cars are assembled in Canada and Mexico. Most of the "foreign" automakers have assembly plants right here in the US, and buy some components from US-based subcontractors.
All US auto dealerships are staffed by Americans and most are owned by Americans regardless of what kind of autos they sell, and all "foreign" automakers employ a large number of US citizens here in the US for advertising and marketing, service, HR, accounting, legal, etc.
Chrysler, which is an "American" brand is owned by a German company, while Jaguar, Volvo, and Land Rover, which are "foreign" brands are owned by an American company.
At least when it comes to vehicles, the whole "buy American" thing is a pretty useless concept in 2007, and those that proudly proclaim they subscribe to it are doing nothing more than showing they don't really understand the situation very well.
Goatboy, what you aren't taking into account is even though a Toyota may be made in Kentucky or Ohio the revenues still flow back to Japan. In fact all these Japanese car assembly lines in the US are HIGHLY SUBSIDIZED by huge tax breaks these companies get to break ground on a plant in the ol' USA which domestic manufacturers don't get.
-
Goatboy, what you aren't taking into account is even though a Toyota may be made in Kentucky or Ohio the revenues still flow back to Japan.
After expenses are paid, which include the salaries of American employees and vendors. As for the 10% or so that is return on equity (profit).... why do we care if it is going to the stockholders of a "Foreign" company (many of whom are american individuals and institutions) or the stockholders of an "American" company (many of whom are foreign individuals and institutions).
Hell, Toyota is traded on NYSE... your pension fund probably owns some and you don't even realize it.
Like I said, 30 years ago there may have been a distinction between "American" and "foreign" cars, but no longer.
-
After expenses are paid, which include the salaries of American employees and vendors. As for the 10% or so that is return on equity (profit).... why do we care if it is going to the stockholders of a "Foreign" company (many of whom are american individuals and institutions) or the stockholders of an "American" company (many of whom are foreign individuals and institutions).
Hell, Toyota is traded on NYSE... your pension fund probably owns some and you don't even realize it.
Like I said, 30 years ago there may have been a distinction between "American" and "foreign" cars, but no longer.
I know my pension fund may include Toyota. What you didn't address is the huge breaks these foreign companies get to set up shop in the USA. Big advantage for them over the domestics.
-
I know my pension fund may include Toyota. What you didn't address is the huge breaks these foreign companies get to set up shop in the USA. Big advantage for them over the domestics.
People are going to buy more Toyota's and Honda's no matter where they are built because they're superior to anything the Big Three produce. Would you rather those cars be built here in the US by American citizens who pay taxes and feed the local economy or would you rather those cars be built over seas by employees that don't pay US taxes and feed the US economy? Tax breaks were the way to get those manufacturers to build factories here.
It's not a perfect situation but I'd much rather have those cars built by US citizens than built by Japanese, German or Korean citizens.
And why is it that the foreign manufacturers build better products? Why can't the Big Three build equal or better vehicles? Full size pickup trucks were always the domain of the Big Three, now that Toyota, Nissan and to a lesser extent Honda are building pickups even that could change.
-
And why is it that the foreign manufacturers build better products? Why can't the Big Three build equal or better vehicles? Full size pickup trucks were always the domain of the Big Three, now that Toyota, Nissan and to a lesser extent Honda are building pickups even that could change.
[/quote]
So far the Ridgeline, Tundra and Titan have been failures. The Ridgeline is not even a truck. It is made to compete with those goofy hybrid SUV, truck things Ford and GM make like the Sport Track or whatever it is.Have you seen its supension? Not to say the Titan or Tundra aren't good work trucks. They are. They just can't compare too Ford or GM's 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Also pick up buyers are extremely loyal to Dodge, Ford and GM.
-
And why is it that the foreign manufacturers build better products? Why can't the Big Three build equal or better vehicles? Full size pickup trucks were always the domain of the Big Three, now that Toyota, Nissan and to a lesser extent Honda are building pickups even that could change.
So far the Ridgeline, Tundra and Titan have been failures. The Ridgeline is not even a truck. It is made to compete with those goofy hybrid SUV, truck things Ford and GM make like the Sport Track or whatever it is.Have you seen its supension? Not to say the Titan or Tundra aren't good work trucks. They are. They just can't compare too Ford or GM's 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Also pick up buyers are extremely loyal to Dodge, Ford and GM.
That's why I said to a lesser extent Honda, because the Ridgeline is car based and not truck based. It has also sold well.
The new Tundra is a true full size truck that is going after the F series head on. I don't know how much of a failure the Titan has been regarding sales but I know it's a start for Nissan in the true pickup truck category and more than likely they'll get better at it.
My point in bringing up the pickup trucks is that the Big Three always had those vehicles to fall back on when their passenger cars didn't sell well. If the Japanese manufacturers make any headway in that category of vehicle the Big Three will have no real guaranteed moneymaker left that isn't 100% work related.
-
Effin, you are correct. Ford, GM and Chrysler are hurt badly because they don't build any cars that people want to buy. The last really successful car from Detroit was the taurus and ford let it languish into oblivion. they build cars buy taking polls, study groups and all that new age shit instead of engineers going by their gut and designing cool products like they did from the 20's to the early 70's.
-
My understanding is that the Titan, while not a HUGE success is definitely a money maker... it's a nice truck too... a buddy of mine has one and I can't deny it's a nice ride.
It was much cheaper than a decked out F-150 and it's fully loaded.
-
My understanding is that the Titan, while not a HUGE success is definitely a money maker... it's a nice truck too... a buddy of mine has one and I can't deny it's a nice ride.
It was much cheaper than a decked out F-150 and it's fully loaded.
Ugly truck. very ugly.
-
Ugly truck. very ugly.
You really think so? I kinda like... looks a lot better than that Avalanche or that Explorer Sport-Trac... at least to me... granted, they're not trucks... but still.
I think it looks pretty good.
-
You really think so? I kinda like... looks a lot better than that Avalanche or that Explorer Sport-Trac... at least to me... granted, they're not trucks... but still.
I think it looks pretty good.
I have a 2005 4x4 F-250. I am looking to get a smaller vehicle. Maybe a Colorado. I had a bunch of Rangers but their design dates back nearly 15 years.
-
I have a 2005 4x4 F-250. I am looking to get a smaller vehicle. Maybe a Colorado. I had a bunch of Rangers but their design dates back nearly 15 years.
I love the Ford F-150... at least the current Gen.
My Father in law works in the plant (that they are shutting down) that makes them (until 2K8).
A very good truck.