13,000 Chrysler workers to lose jobs

[24KT]

...discuss.

[danielson]

This is poiltical

[OzmO]

It's economics.....AND a door opener 

[The Squadfather]

a lot of the jobs will be eliminated right here in St. Louis.

[danielson]

a lot of the jobs will be eliminated right here in St. Louis.

Same here in Detroit. It has been a rumor for a while. My friend works for their collection department and he was telling me they were going to lay off 20000 people, he was wrong about the number, but that was about 2 weeks ago.

[24KT]

This is poiltical

uh-huh. You see, part of the problem... (other than the fact that NA car makers make crappy cars in comparison to some imports) is a huge trade imbalance with other markets, that impose restrictions on the importation of North American cars into their markets. Trade imbalances fall under political no?

Personally, I think it's more an issue of NA cars being of less value and on one really wanting them.

[The Squadfather]

Same here in Detroit. It has been a rumor for a while. My friend works for their collection department and he was telling me they were going to lay off 20000 people, he was wrong about the number, but that was about 2 weeks ago.

yeah they're eliminating a shift at the Fenton, MO plant, sounds like they want to get rid of a whole lot of hourly workers because of all of the overtime, a guy from my gym works there and he says they get overtime out the ass.

[Cavalier22]

we should stop buying foreign cars if possible

[Dos Equis]

we should stop buying foreign cars if possible

Would be a whole lot easier if we built better cars.     I tried the whole "buy American" thing for years.  I finally gave up on Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily) and went with a Honda (at least for the family).   

[OzmO]

we should stop buying foreign cars if possible

when they start making better cars instead of relying on marketing, the American public will start buying them.

[ieffinhatecardio]

we should stop buying foreign cars if possible

What do you consider a foreign car? If the car is built in the US do you still consider it foreign? If it's built outside the US but by a US company do you consider it foreign?

Most automakers have plants here in the US so the car you buy is built by US citizens who are earning a salary and paying taxes to the US. With a true global economy the term foreign needs to be defined.

[Camel Jockey]

What do you consider a foreign car? If the car is built in the US do you still consider it foreign? If it's built outside the US but by a US company do you consider it foreign?

Most automakers have plants here in the US so the car you buy is built by US citizens who are earning a salary and paying taxes to the US. With a true global economy the term foreign needs to be defined.

This is true. And American isn't really American anymore, as Ford has plants in Canada. 

[ieffinhatecardio]

This is true. And American isn't really American anymore, as Ford has plants in Canada. 

Exactly, and doesn't one of the big three have a plant in Mexico too?

[240 is Back]

I drive american, always have.

keeping plants in the us is costing these firms big time.  foreigners do it cheaper and more efficiently.

[ieffinhatecardio]

I drive american, always have.

keeping plants in the us is costing these firms big time.  foreigners do it cheaper and more efficiently.

240, nearly every car manufacturer has a plant in the US. Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Hyundai, I'm not sure about Nissan but you get the point. If it's cheaper for foreigners to build the cars why build plants here? Unions are a huge issue for the big three but enough to build plants in Canada or Mexico?

[240 is Back]

240, nearly every car manufacturer has a plant in the US. Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Hyundai, I'm not sure about Nissan but you get the point. If it's cheaper for foreigners to build the cars why build plants here? Unions are a huge issue for the big three but enough to build plants in Canada or Mexico?

if i live in michigan, i'm against outsourcing it.
if i'm a Ford stockholder, i'm all for outsourcing.

not just unions - cheaper labor - cost a tenth of the cost to hire a mexican.  cheap in china too.  plus you don't have to ship materials as far.  and bush has made the tariffs very friendly for big business to bring stuff in cheap - we used to penalize companies for doing this. 

[BRUCE]

I drive american, always have.

Yeah, well top this guy:

[G o a t b o y]

What do you consider a foreign car? If the car is built in the US do you still consider it foreign? If it's built outside the US but by a US company do you consider it foreign?

Most automakers have plants here in the US so the car you buy is built by US citizens who are earning a salary and paying taxes to the US. With a true global economy the term foreign needs to be defined.

Exactly.

The Chrysler workers will get jobs with Honda or Toyota, who have plants and offices right here in the USA.  Who gives a fucck what country the CEO lives in?  Companies that build inferior products generally do not prosper... that's as it should be.

[240 is Back]

Al Gore has one of those running in all 3 of his homes, all year long.

[BRUCE]

Al Gore has one of those running in all 3 of his homes, all year long.

Yes, we should trust Al about as much as we trust a Priest with 3 wives.

[tu_holmes]

Statistically speaking, every car is within 1 percent + or - from any other car... anywhere.

There is just a general feeling that foreign automobiles are better... The real thing is that Japanese people buy Japanese cars, Germans by German cars... Italians and so forth... However, in the States, we like to buy whatever is the cheapest... Just our capitalist nature.

I don't really think any car is better than any other... I've had Chevys and Fords that have gone great distances, but I guess we all just like what we like.

[BRUCE]

Statistically speaking, every car is within 1 percent + or - from any other car... anywhere.

There is just a general feeling that foreign automobiles are better... The real thing is that Japanese people buy Japanese cars, Germans by German cars... Italians and so forth... However, in the States, we like to buy whatever is the cheapest... Just our capitalist nature.

I don't really think any car is better than any other... I've had Chevys and Fords that have gone great distances, but I guess we all just like what we like.

You've obviously never driven a Lada.



Oh what a feelin'.

[tu_holmes]

You've obviously never driven a Lada.



Oh what a feelin'.

What year is that from? I'm talking about today's automobiles of course... except maybe Yugos... I can't even say Kia's are shitty... who else has a 10 year warranty?

[BRUCE]

What year is that from? I'm talking about today's automobiles of course... except maybe Yugos... I can't even say Kia's are shitty... who else has a 10 year warranty?

Mistubishi does here.  They're in dire straights though.

[tu_holmes]

Mistubishi does here.  They're in dire straights though.

I didn't know that... Their a Daimler Chrysler company also, so I'm not shocked...