13,000 Chrysler workers to lose jobs

[BRUCE]

I didn't know that... Their a Daimler Chrysler company also, so I'm not shocked...

I think they've sold out of them now, but the damage was done I guess.

[24KT]

Would be a whole lot easier if we built better cars.     I tried the whole "buy American" thing for years.  I finally gave up on Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily) and went with a Honda (at least for the family).   

{ROTFLOL}  Really? ...wouldn't that just be ... oh I don't know... too simple a solution?  

Why would automakers solve problems with simple solutions when they can complicate themselves into bankruptcy?

[Cap]

{ROTFLOL}  Really? ...wouldn't that just be ... oh I don't know... too simple a solution? 

Why would automakers solve problems with simple solutions when they can complicate themselves into bankruptcy?

It's because we make bigger but not better cars.

[G o a t b o y]

Gee, they seem to be able to build decent Hondas in Ohio and decent Toyotas in Kentucky...   why are Michigan workers such fucck-ups?

[24KT]

This is true. And American isn't really American anymore, as Ford has plants in Canada. 

Pretty soon at tis rate, ...the only thing coming out of Oakville will be golf pros

[24KT]

Yeah, well top this guy:

In regards to the grill, ...it's because it's a crappy engine.
The combustion isn't completing in the combustion chamber and that's why the heat is coming out the exhaust.

Now if he were using FFi's MPG-CAP^TM, <--click me the combustion would have completed within the chamber itself, and it would be a far more efficient and economical use of fuel.

In a vehicle, ...that means more power in the engine, and more miles per gallon. 

Here's how it works. <--click me.

Hope That Helps, 

[BRUCE]

In regards to the grill, ...it's because it's a crappy engine.
The combustion isn't completing in the combustion chamber and that's why the heat is coming out the exhaust.

Now if he were using FFi's MPG-CAP^TM, <--click me the combustion would have completed within the chamber itself, and it would be a far more efficient and economical use of fuel.

In a vehicle, ...that means more power in the engine, and more miles per gallon. 

Here's how it works. <--click me.

Hope That Helps, 

Your engine makes a crappy BBQ.

Hope that helps.

[24KT]

Your engine makes a crappy BBQ.

Hope that helps.

FFi doesn't make engines, ...we just make products that make engines run better. It's Viagra for the car 

[BRUCE]

FFi doesn't make engines, ...we just make products that make engines run better. It's Viagra for the car 

Most (ageing) Porsche drivers could do the old 'one for you, one for me' trick then.

[24KT]

Most (ageing) Porsche drivers could do the old 'one for you, one for me' trick then.

{giggle} I'm sooo scared to ask for clarification... but here it goes? Huh?
I've never heard of that trick before. How does it go?

[BRUCE]

{giggle} I'm sooo scared to ask for clarification... but here it goes? Huh?
I've never heard of that trick before. How does it go?

Have you seen the Simpsons episode where Homer hears about alcohol fuelled cars for the first time?

He gets to the pump and engages in this trick.  Delicious.

[Dos Equis]

{ROTFLOL}  Really? ...wouldn't that just be ... oh I don't know... too simple a solution?  

Why would automakers solve problems with simple solutions when they can complicate themselves into bankruptcy?

Tell me about it.  Plus they force you to buy them more often.  I make an honest effort to buy American products, unless it just doesn't make good financial sense, and it doesn't with many of our American cars. 

[Debussey]

...discuss.

This should not represent an ethical issue. All workers must take the risk of losing their jobs into consideration when planning their lives.

The interesting thing is figuring out why the workers are being laid off, and to learn about the strategic thinking used in teh Chrysler corp.

Who gives a f**k where the car is built? Customers want the best quality to maximize their customer surplus. If a Toyota = better than a Ford, buy the Toyota. This "buy American" shit is like admitting that American is unable to be real competitive globally. f**k tariffs. Let teh merchandise flow.

[24KT]

Tell me about it.  Plus they force you to buy them more often.  I make an honest effort to buy American products, unless it just doesn't make good financial sense, and it doesn't with many of our American cars. 

Personally, ...I don't care about the cost (unless I can't afford it), I'm more concerned with the value,
...and I've found foreign cars provide me more value for my consumer dollar.

[Dos Equis]

Personally, ...I don't care about the cost (unless I can't afford it), I'm more concerned with the value,
...and I've found foreign cars provide me more value for my consumer dollar.

I agree and consider the terms (cost/value) synonymous when it comes to cars.  They are a horrible investment.  You take it in the shorts as soon as you drive them off the lot.  I want something comfortable and reliable.  I don't spend that much time behind the wheel.  To tell you the truth, I'm more concerned about the quality of my hammock than my car.   

[bmacsys]

...discuss.

American auto industry has it head up its ass.

[bmacsys]

we should stop buying foreign cars if possible

I never buy anything made outside North America if I can help it.

[240 is Back]

The economy is great!!!

holy gimmicks batman!

tell us about why we should invade iran!

[Cy Tolliver]

IRAN has WMDS!!!!! 

[rockyfortune]

Yeah, well top this guy:

boy..there goes something the world needs...a HEMI powered grill....no wonder our car industry blows goats.

[rockyfortune]

FORDS BLOW...my sister fell into that buy american crap...and 8 weeks into the experiment she had to replace her battery--free of charge of course--6 months later it was her alternator--free of charge of course---12 months later it was more electrical issues...their reliability blows so when you drop 18k for a car you'd like to at least go 24 months without a major repair....

[G o a t b o y]

Again, as someone else mentioned, people need to stop thinking of Ford, GM, and Chrysler as "American", and all others as "foreign".  That may have been true 25 or 30 years ago, but no longer.  Most of the components in "American" cars are foreign made, and some of the cars are assembled in Canada and Mexico.  Most of the "foreign" automakers have assembly plants right here in the US, and buy some components from US-based subcontractors.

All US auto dealerships are staffed by Americans and most are owned by Americans regardless of what kind of autos they sell, and all "foreign" automakers employ a large number of US citizens here in the US for advertising and marketing, service, HR, accounting, legal, etc.

Chrysler, which is an "American" brand is owned by a German company, while Jaguar, Volvo, and Land Rover, which are "foreign" brands are owned by an American company.

At least when it comes to vehicles, the whole "buy American" thing is a pretty useless concept in 2007, and those that proudly proclaim they subscribe to it are doing nothing more than showing they don't really understand the situation very well.

[bmacsys]

Again, as someone else mentioned, people need to stop thinking of Ford, GM, and Chrysler as "American", and all others as "foreign".  That may have been true 25 or 30 years ago, but no longer.  Most of the components in "American" cars are foreign made, and some of the cars are assembled in Canada and Mexico.  Most of the "foreign" automakers have assembly plants right here in the US, and buy some components from US-based subcontractors.

All US auto dealerships are staffed by Americans and most are owned by Americans regardless of what kind of autos they sell, and all "foreign" automakers employ a large number of US citizens here in the US for advertising and marketing, service, HR, accounting, legal, etc.

Chrysler, which is an "American" brand is owned by a German company, while Jaguar, Volvo, and Land Rover, which are "foreign" brands are owned by an American company.

At least when it comes to vehicles, the whole "buy American" thing is a pretty useless concept in 2007, and those that proudly proclaim they subscribe to it are doing nothing more than showing they don't really understand the situation very well.

Goatboy, what you aren't taking into account is even though a Toyota may be made in Kentucky or Ohio the revenues still flow back to Japan. In fact all these Japanese car assembly lines in the US are HIGHLY SUBSIDIZED by huge tax breaks these companies get to break ground on a plant in the ol' USA which domestic manufacturers don't get.

[G o a t b o y]

Goatboy, what you aren't taking into account is even though a Toyota may be made in Kentucky or Ohio the revenues still flow back to Japan.

After expenses are paid, which include the salaries of American employees and vendors. As for the 10% or so that is return on equity (profit).... why do we care if it is going to the stockholders of a "Foreign" company (many of whom are american individuals and institutions) or the stockholders of an "American" company (many of whom are foreign individuals and institutions).

Hell, Toyota is traded on NYSE... your pension fund probably owns some and you don't even realize it.


Like I said, 30 years ago there may have been a distinction between "American" and "foreign" cars, but no longer.

[bmacsys]

After expenses are paid, which include the salaries of American employees and vendors. As for the 10% or so that is return on equity (profit).... why do we care if it is going to the stockholders of a "Foreign" company (many of whom are american individuals and institutions) or the stockholders of an "American" company (many of whom are foreign individuals and institutions).

Hell, Toyota is traded on NYSE... your pension fund probably owns some and you don't even realize it.


Like I said, 30 years ago there may have been a distinction between "American" and "foreign" cars, but no longer.

I know my pension fund may include Toyota. What you didn't address is the huge breaks these foreign companies get to set up shop in the USA. Big advantage for them over the domestics.