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The Beef
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Jack London - Guest Poser.
"Hope this helps"
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Up yours, punk! It was meant to get his take on the WBBG.
The Beef
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Sorry, been out of the loop.... I am the first wbbg pro. It's a new federation that will go along with Dan Lauries Muscle training illustrated. I am very excited to be a part of this, and am honured to be asked to guest pose at their inaguarl event.
More questions?
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Sorry, been out of the loop.... I am the first wbbg pro. It's a new federation that will go along with Dan Lauries Muscle training illustrated. I am very excited to be a part of this, and am honured to be asked to guest pose at their inaguarl event.
More questions?
what happened to the pdi and you?
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Sorry, been out of the loop.... I am the first wbbg pro. It's a new federation that will go along with Dan Lauries Muscle training illustrated. I am very excited to be a part of this, and am honured to be asked to guest pose at their inaguarl event.
More questions?
A new federation? Isn't it a recycled federation?
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what happened to the pdi and you?
Nothing.....That's the beauty of PDI. We let our athletes compete and make money in other organizations, including the IFBB.....
Which begs the question, why doesn't the IFBB do the same??????
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MAINE?!??!
oh boy...................im from Massachusetts
Maine = toothless hillbillys who want to make you squeal like a pig!
(cow - tipping is big up there .................have fun!)
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Nothing.....That's the beauty of PDI. We let our athletes compete and make money in other organizations, including the IFBB.....
Which begs the question, why doesn't the IFBB do the same??????
Why do you care?
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Which begs the question, why doesn't the IFBB do the same??????
'Cause they're trying to control the "sport" with an iron grip.
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Yeah but Rhino could never be an ifbb pro anyway...so why does he care?
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Why do you care?
Hello Bob. How is your daughter?? Hope she is well. I have a daughter, Brooke, being a dad is great, yes?
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Daughter is doing just fine..thanks for asking.
Subject matter was why you would care? Quite frankly...If you TRULEY want more "pro's" to make money...the LAST thing you would want is for the IFBB to let their pro's compete in the PDI, etc.
Keeping it a complete and seperate entity from the best BBers in the world is the best case senario to potentially be able to make money from bodybuilding for the rest...
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Daughter is doing just fine..thanks for asking.
Subject matter was why you would care? Quite frankly...If you TRULEY want more "pro's" to make money...the LAST thing you would want is for the IFBB to let their pro's compete in the PDI, etc.
Keeping it a complete and seperate entity from the best BBers in the world is the best case senario to potentially be able to make money from bodybuilding for the rest...
Except Vince Taylor....Since he is/was guest posing at a Naaba show.
What a crock of shit you sling. Any bodybuilder should be able to compete and make money in any federation. Don't even try to put your grade school spin on this with me, you know I'm way to smart for that.
If an IFBB Pro like, say Dexter, came and competed and won the NOC, that's $30,000 more than he would have had.....Don't even bother trying to convince me that's a bad thing.
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Except Vince Taylor....Since he is/was guest posing at a Naaba show.
What a crock of shit you sling. Any bodybuilder should be able to compete and make money in any federation. Don't even try to put your grade school spin on this with me, you know I'm way to smart for that.
If an IFBB Pro like, say Dexter, came and competed and won the NOC, that's $30,000 more than he would have had.....Don't even bother trying to convince me that's a bad thing.
First off...I talked with Vince at length the other day...he had no idea where Lee came up with that info, and was none too pleased, he is not and will not be guest posing at any NABBA show.
If an IFBB pro like Dexter won the NOC, you're right, it's 30,000 in HIS pocket....and $30K LESS in anyone elses...
If your point is to "spread the wealth"..then the last thing you want is the best BBers in the world coming over there and taking it from the rest of you....basically, you would end up having the same senario.
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what ever happened to Arnold's vision of a UNION for bodybuilders?
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First off...I talked with Vince at length the other day...he had no idea where Lee came up with that info, and was none too pleased, he is not and will not be guest posing at any NABBA show.
If an IFBB pro like Dexter won the NOC, you're right, it's 30,000 in HIS pocket....and $30K LESS in anyone elses...
If your point is to "spread the wealth"..then the last thing you want is the best BBers in the world coming over there and taking it from the rest of you....basically, you would end up having the same senario.
So, what's your point? To continue to insult me, and say that the better bodybuilders are in the IFBB. Whatever.
Bottom line Chick?.....The IFBB won't let their athletes compete or guest pose in any other federations, a point you just emphasized with Taylor.
No amount of bashing me, will give you the ability to spin that fact.......
Nice try though.
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First off...I talked with Vince at length the other day...he had no idea where Lee came up with that info, and was none too pleased, he is not and will not be guest posing at any NABBA show.
If an IFBB pro like Dexter won the NOC, you're right, it's 30,000 in HIS pocket....and $30K LESS in anyone elses...
If your point is to "spread the wealth"..then the last thing you want is the best BBers in the world coming over there and taking it from the rest of you....basically, you would end up having the same senario.
And trust me.....It would not be the same scenario.
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So, what's your point? To continue to insult me, and say that the better bodybuilders are in the IFBB. Whatever.
Bottom line Chick?.....The IFBB won't let their athletes compete or guest pose in any other federations, a point you just emphasized with Taylor.
No amount of bashing me, will give you the ability to spin that fact.......
Nice try though.
I havent insulted you...I've stated the obvious.
I'm not trying to spin that fact...The IFBB prides itself on havingthe best bbers in the world. The IFBB pro's pride themselves on the fact that they had to achieve a level of success (against the best amateurs in the NPC) in order to reach pro status in the IFBB, and compete against the best.
Your point is futile....the best BBers in the world don't want to compete in the PDI, etc....they want be a part of the best and be privvy to the contracts, endorsements, contacts, guest posings, exposure, etc., that comes with being a part of it.
Le has already led the charge..to no avail....when he exclaimed "who's with me..??" and looked behind him...no one was there...oh, except Rodney.
Point is...why complain?
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I havent insulted you...I've stated the obvious.
I'm not trying to spin that fact...The IFBB prides itself on havingthe best bbers in the world. The IFBB pro's pride themselves on the fact that they had to achieve a level of success (against the best amateurs in the NPC) in order to reach pro status in the IFBB, and compete against the best.
Your point is futile....the best BBers in the world don't want to compete in the PDI, etc....they want be a part of the best and be privvy to the contracts, endorsements, contacts, guest posings, exposure, etc., that comes with being a part of it.
Le has already led the charge..to no avail....when he exclaimed "who's with me..??" and looked behind him...no one was there...oh, except Rodney.
Point is...why complain?
Bob why do you get so defensive when alternatives show up? Don't tell me it never crossed your mind ever while your were fighting for 8 years to get your own pro card to jump ship to another "professional alternative"?
Rhino, not saying you belong to the bottom tier, but maybe some guys can fullfill enough by belonging to these other "federations".
Bottom line, it's all free market...
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Bob why do you get so defensive when alternatives show up? Don't tell me it never crossed your mind ever while your were fighting for 8 years to get your own pro card to jump ship to another "professional alternative"?
Rhino, not saying you belong to the bottom tier, but maybe some guys can fullfill enough by belonging to these other "federations".
Bottom line, it's all free market...
I don't get defensive...I just asked why he cared. He (and they) should focus on themselves. The athletes will dictate where they wish to compete.
And no, it ever crossed my mnd to compete elsewhere. I was only interesting in accomplishing what I started out to do...turn pro and compete with the best in the world (IFBB). The ONLY time I considered anything else, was when McMahon was considering adding two amateurs to the WBF line-up..Myself and Paul DeMayo with a guaranteed contract...it ended up going belly-up anyways, before anything got going.
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I don't get defensive...I just asked why he cared. He (and they) should focus on themselves. The athletes will dictate where they wish to compete.
And no, it ever crossed my mnd to compete elsewhere. I was only interesting in accomplishing what I started out to do...turn pro and compete with the best in the world (IFBB). The ONLY time I considered anything else, was when McMahon was considering adding two amateurs to the WBF line-up..Myself and Paul DeMayo with a guaranteed contract...it ended up going belly-up anyways, before anything got going.
You the one who needs to focus on yourself. YOU came on this thread and commented.
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Rhino..........
Congrats on making a name for yourself in bodybuilding...without becoming an IFBB Pro...but you can understand how threatening it is to someone who spent 20 years to become a marginal IFBB pro at best. Do you think dorian or jay or ronnie would com on here and debate or belittle you? Nope.....they wouldnt, because they are secure enough in what theyve done and who they are... i suggest you do the same......dont feel like you have to reply to any IFBB chucklehead tah tries to put you down!!
you look thick as a brick and your making your mark.....good on ya.....
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Rhino..........
Congrats on making a name for yourself in bodybuilding...without becoming an IFBB Pro...but you can understand how threatening it is to someone who spent 20 years to become a marginal IFBB pro at best. Do you think dorian or jay or ronnie would com on here and debate or belittle you? Nope.....they wouldnt, because they are secure enough in what theyve done and who they are... i suggest you do the same......dont feel like you have to reply to any IFBB chucklehead tah tries to put you down!!
you look thick as a brick and your making your mark.....good on ya.....
ouch
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Point is...why complain?
LOL good Ronnie reference there. You guys have to agree, Ronnie doesnt speak a lot but his phrases always transform into web classics!!!
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Rhino..........
Congrats on making a name for yourself in bodybuilding...without becoming an IFBB Pro...but you can understand how threatening it is to someone who spent 20 years to become a marginal IFBB pro at best. Do you think dorian or jay or ronnie would com on here and debate or belittle you? Nope.....they wouldnt, because they are secure enough in what theyve done and who they are... i suggest you do the same......dont feel like you have to reply to any IFBB chucklehead tah tries to put you down!!
you look thick as a brick and your making your mark.....good on ya.....
Thanks bro, you obviously get it. In fact, jay and I are great freinds, and he is always very happy for me......
Like you said, he is not intimidated at all.....
Great point, and thanks for the props.
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Sorry, been out of the loop.... I am the first wbbg pro. It's a new federation that will go along with Dan Lauries Muscle training illustrated. I am very excited to be a part of this, and am honured to be asked to guest pose at their inaguarl event.
First, it's Dan Lurie, not Laurie. Second, he really has nothing to do with this, other than letting people use his name. Doug Going, former Maine NPC chairman, is the one trying to revive the WBBG. He believes that using Dan's name will be a draw. Right now they have one show scheduled. For a while, Doug was talking about forming a natural org, but I see no mention of that on the website now. But they do ban piercings!
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In this sport your reputation is everything!
don't just take some "gig" because it's a paying gig............your rep is on the line here
don't lend your name to anything/anybody that asks, (pretty soon your name won't mean much
and people will stop asking)
your like a brand name................do you want to be Gucci or Walmart??
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Thanks bro, you obviously get it. In fact, jay and I are great freinds, and he is always very happy for me......
Like you said, he is not intimidated at all.....
Great point, and thanks for the props.
Bro no one is intimidated by Rhino....you can not even make a top 5 on a NPC national show and that is a FACT. Intimidated??? You are unable to even recruit Top NPC competitors to the PDI forget about PRO's. Rhino no one is against you or the PDI put you must admit that exist a complete lack of procedures and standards to be a Pro on the PDI. It is not the IFBB job to create competition to themselves. MMI Pride fightes could not compete on the UFC that is just bussiness.
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I don't get defensive...I just asked why he cared. He (and they) should focus on themselves. The athletes will dictate where they wish to compete.
And no, it ever crossed my mnd to compete elsewhere. I was only interesting in accomplishing what I started out to do...turn pro and compete with the best in the world (IFBB). The ONLY time I considered anything else, was when McMahon was considering adding two amateurs to the WBF line-up..Myself and Paul DeMayo with a guaranteed contract...it ended up going belly-up anyways, before anything got going.
Probably for the best. I'm assuming that was right after American Gladiator?
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Bro no one is intimidated by Rhino....you can not even make a top 5 on a NPC national show and that is a FACT. Intimidated??? You are unable to even recruit Top NPC competitors to the PDI forget about PRO's. Rhino no one is against you or the PDI put you must admit that exist a complete lack of procedures and standards to be a Pro on the PDI. It is not the IFBB job to create competition to themselves. MMI Pride fightes could not compete on the UFC that is just bussiness.
Read the post again, maybe you will get what was meant.
As far as recruiting pro's, athletes, and NPC guys......trust me when I tell you. You have no idea what you are talking about.
As far as me making the top 5 at a npc national show.......I mean really, let it go. It's a dead horse.
If you don't have something meaningful to contribute, just sit back, and shut up.
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Rhino,
I am sorry, but I believe I have meanful Questions
1- What is the Standard to became a Pro on the PDI?
2-What gives PDI athletes the right to compete on the IFBB since the majority of them are not even PRO's by IFBB standards?
3-Where is the Web site that indicate dates for the shows and information?
4- Where can find out how is promoting the PDI shows?
All these are very basic questions that any organization should be able to provide.
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I don't get defensive...I just asked why he cared. He (and they) should focus on themselves. The athletes will dictate where they wish to compete.
And no, it ever crossed my mnd to compete elsewhere. I was only interesting in accomplishing what I started out to do...turn pro and compete with the best in the world (IFBB). The ONLY time I considered anything else, was when McMahon was considering adding two amateurs to the WBF line-up..Myself and Paul DeMayo with a guaranteed contract...it ended up going belly-up anyways, before anything got going.
come on chick, every bodybuilder in the early 90's was pretending that Vince was courting them....how is it a guaranteed contract if it never pans out....and christ, you might be an ifbb pro now, but what were you placing in the nationals then .......5-14th? You mean vince had no interest in the guys that beat you?
Now, Chick.......
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First off...I talked with Vince at length the other day...he had no idea where Lee came up with that info, and was none too pleased, he is not and will not be guest posing at any NABBA show.
If an IFBB pro like Dexter won the NOC, you're right, it's 30,000 in HIS pocket....and $30K LESS in anyone elses...
If your point is to "spread the wealth"..then the last thing you want is the best BBers in the world coming over there and taking it from the rest of you....basically, you would end up having the same senario.
Chick - so you don't think that if this were to happen, the IFBB would realize the need to up the ante on their end and make their federation truly a world class BB organization by offering decent prize money for all. Monopolies are not always the best for business, imagine that. If all atheletes were given a chance to compete across federations then the IFBB would have to bring something more to the table, even if its not initially. Its not about having a few big names come over and steal the PDI's prize-money, its about realizing the end result for the IFBB and the atheletes. If you're actually in this to help the BB's I would think you'd almost have to be encouraging them compete outside the IFBB.....
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Chick - so you don't think that if this were to happen, the IFBB would realize the need to up the ante on their end and make their federation truly a world class BB organization by offering decent prize money for all. Monopolies are not always the best for business, imagine that. If all atheletes were given a chance to compete across federations then the IFBB would have to bring something more to the table, even if its not initially. Its not about having a few big names come over and steal the PDI's prize-money, its about realizing the end result for the IFBB and the atheletes. If you're actually in this to help the BB's I would think you'd almost have to be encouraging them compete outside the IFBB.....
yeah, and completely invalidate wasting 20 years of your life going after that precious pro card.....
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when is the next pdi show ?
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yeah, and completely invalidate wasting 20 years of your life going after that precious pro card.....
thats the point - first rule that that needs to change. What happens now if an IFBB BB competes in a PDI contest? They get fined but are still allowed to compete in the IFBB?
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thats the point - first rule that that needs to change. What happens now if an IFBB BB competes in a PDI contest? They get fined but are still allowed to compete in the IFBB?
You guys have great points. If an ifbb guy competes in the pdi, they are suspended indefinetly. Well, I think ...since Lee Preist and Valentine Jabes both did the same thing and got different punishments.
Bottom line?? You compete in another federation, and you're done in the ifbb.....
Next PDI show is Night of Champions Sept 29th. followed by : barbados, Norway, Engalnd, Dennmark, France.
Schedule is on my website.
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You guys have great points. If an ifbb guy competes in the pdi, they are suspended indefinetly. Well, I think ...since Lee Preist and Valentine Jabes both did the same thing and got different punishments.
Bottom line?? You compete in another federation, and you're done in the ifbb.....
Next PDI show is Night of Champions Sept 29th. followed by : barbados, Norway, Engalnd, Dennmark, France.
Schedule is on my website.
What are your goals as far as placings in these competitions?
-Hedge
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come on chick, every bodybuilder in the early 90's was pretending that Vince was courting them....how is it a guaranteed contract if it never pans out....and christ, you might be an ifbb pro now, but what were you placing in the nationals then .......5-14th? You mean vince had no interest in the guys that beat you?
Now, Chick.......
Try doing a little homework before you think about debating....
In the 5 years prior to the WBF, My amateur record was excellent...and I was in the top 5 in almost all the national shows I did, then I went on to the Gladiators...it was when that folded, that Vince and crew were looking to expand the roster. I shot at McMahons house for the initial "Bodybuilding Lifestyles" magazine they put out...BTW, I still have the invitation from McMahon himself If you want me to scan it for you.
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You guys have great points. If an ifbb guy competes in the pdi, they are suspended indefinetly. Well, I think ...since Lee Preist and Valentine Jabes both did the same thing and got different punishments.
Bottom line?? You compete in another federation, and you're done in the ifbb.....
Next PDI show is Night of Champions Sept 29th. followed by : barbados, Norway, Engalnd, Dennmark, France.
Schedule is on my website.
This isn't going to happen. Who is going to go to this event on the SAME weekend as the Olympia. Even Onlyme has made Olympia arrangements and nothing for the NOC.
I wonder if the sponsors are going to want their monies worth and have guys show up at the Olympia Expo and not on the stage in a event that will have less people then last year because of the date conflicts. Not to mention ZERO exposure in the media, which coincidentally pay their bills. I am very interested in what is going to happen.
Wayne really screwed up on this date. He should have checked the IFBB Website and found out when the Olympia was on and worked around it.
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come on chick, every bodybuilder in the early 90's was pretending that Vince was courting them....how is it a guaranteed contract if it never pans out....and christ, you might be an ifbb pro now, but what were you placing in the nationals then .......5-14th? You mean vince had no interest in the guys that beat you?
Now, Chick.......
come on bro...Have you seen some of the mugs on some of those guys...Vince is a very smart man...Chick didn't become a gladiator because he is ugly...The the smart bet is Vince would have loved to have a guy like chick under contract..
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Chick - so you don't think that if this were to happen, the IFBB would realize the need to up the ante on their end and make their federation truly a world class BB organization by offering decent prize money for all. Monopolies are not always the best for business, imagine that. If all atheletes were given a chance to compete across federations then the IFBB would have to bring something more to the table, even if its not initially. Its not about having a few big names come over and steal the PDI's prize-money, its about realizing the end result for the IFBB and the atheletes. If you're actually in this to help the BB's I would think you'd almost have to be encouraging them compete outside the IFBB.....
i would like to agree with ya but microsoft and walmart are doing pretty fcking good aren't they...
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This isn't going to happen. Who is going to go to this event on the SAME weekend as the Olympia. Even Onlyme has made Olympia arrangements and nothing for the NOC.
I wonder if the sponsors are going to want their monies worth and have guys show up at the Olympia Expo and not on the stage in a event that will have less people then last year because of the date conflicts. Not to mention ZERO exposure in the media, which coincidentally pay their bills. I am very interested in what is going to happen.
Wayne really screwed up on this date. He should have checked the IFBB Website and found out when the Olympia was on and worked around it.
Good point. If the Superbowl is on, not many people are going to watch the high school football championship game...
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Try doing a little homework before you think about debating....
In the 5 years prior to the WBF, My amateur record was excellent...and I was in the top 5 in almost all the national shows I did, then I went on to the Gladiators...it was when that folded, that Vince and crew were looking to expand the roster. I shot at McMahons house for the initial "Bodybuilding Lifestyles" magazine they put out...BTW, I still have the invitation from McMahon himself If you want me to scan it for you.
You REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALL Y love yourself don't you?
We'd much rather see your guest posing photos from this past weekend. That'd be a much better chuckle than your McMahon scamn.
Chick and Sean Ray love themselves and love to delete threads that don't cater to their inflated egos. Ron you should be ashamed of yourself for allowing these two to have the ability to delete things on your board.
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Chick - so you don't think that if this were to happen, the IFBB would realize the need to up the ante on their end and make their federation truly a world class BB organization by offering decent prize money for all. Monopolies are not always the best for business, imagine that. If all atheletes were given a chance to compete across federations then the IFBB would have to bring something more to the table, even if its not initially. Its not about having a few big names come over and steal the PDI's prize-money, its about realizing the end result for the IFBB and the atheletes. If you're actually in this to help the BB's I would think you'd almost have to be encouraging them compete outside the IFBB.....
Whats funny about this statement, is that the poster believes there are enough "best Bers" in the world to make up another federation that could give some real competition.
Yes, what you say is correct...in theory.
There simply isn't enough talent to go around...what you would end up with is a few more watered down federations and LES guys making money.
BTW...just where do you believe the MONEY is going to come from to support thse other federations?
The PDI isn't offering anything new...NABBA, WABBA, etc. have been around for many years now, offering another choice for pro's....they simply choose the IFB because they want to compete against the best, and stand the best chance of making money in it.
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You REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALL Y love yourself don't you?
We'd much rather see your guest posing photos from this past weekend. That'd be a much better chuckle than your McMahon scamn.
Chick and Sean Ray love themselves and love to delete threads that don't cater to their inflated egos. Ron you should be ashamed of yourself for allowing these two to have the ability to delete things on your board.
You're reeeeeeeeeeeeeeally retarded arent you?
What about my post indicates anything but stating facts to a question that was asked....none of which included you, btw.
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If an IFBB pro like Dexter won the NOC, you're right, it's 30,000 in HIS pocket....and $30K LESS in anyone elses...
If your point is to "spread the wealth"..then the last thing you want is the best BBers in the world coming over there and taking it from the rest of you....basically, you would end up having the same senario.
Chick, my man, I often agree with your comments but you couldn't be more wrong on this one. For Jack, it is already the same scenario. Doesn't make any dough against the scrubs now, so he really isn't hurt by Dexter winning. You can't make less than zero.
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I do think that any bodybuilder should be allowed to guest pose regardless of affiliation, because it helps promote the federation he/she is in and the sponsors they may have. I don't agree with Chick on a lot of things but why would you want all the boys from the IFBB competing in the PDI, it takes away the cash from the other competitors that are in the show and it adds a new avenue for people that want to see a different group of bodybuilders competing. As a fan of bodybuilding it is great to see other shows that are not IFBB related.
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Why do you care?
SOMEONE NEEDS TO CARE. THE SO CALLED ATHLETE REP DOESN'T..I HERE HE IS IN THE IFBB'S POCKET
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SOMEONE NEEDS TO CARE. THE SO CALLED ATHLETE REP DOESN'T..I HERE HE IS IN THE IFBB'S POCKET
Why should i care about athletes in other federations?
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YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ANY ATHLETE. I TRUELY BELIEVE YOU ONLY CARE ABOUT YOURSELF. I MEAN WHY WOULD ANYONE BE AGAINST AN IFBB ATHLETE GOING TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION AND MAKING MONEY. THE ONLY EXPLANATION THAT COULD BE IS THAT YOU ARE A PUPPET FOR THE IFBB AND YOU SAY WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO SAY.
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Well Bob doesn't really have to care, because he represents IFBB athletes, and I don't think that IFBB bodybuilders should be allowed to compete in other organizations but I do think they should be allowed to guest pose and have show appearances to make extra cash. If their was an organization that represented all of Bodybuilding in general and the IFBB and PDI we under it and Bob was the Rep of that organization then I could see the point of him caring but that isn't the case.
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Nothing.....That's the beauty of PDI. We let our athletes compete and make money in other organizations, including the IFBB..
Which begs the question, why doesn't the IFBB do the same??????
GEEEEZ..you again..Give it a rest already.
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Nothing.....That's the beauty of PDI. We let our athletes compete and make money in other organizations, including the IFBB.....
Which begs the question, why doesn't the IFBB do the same??????
Several years ago I worked for a major insurance company. When they hired an agent he/she had to give up any agent contracts with other carriers as well as real estate licenses if they had any.
Why?
Because the agents with this company averaged $20 k a month in income and the company decided to make exclusivity a rule of becoming an agent.
It’s known as the “Golden Rule”= He who has the Gold makes the rules.
No one is holding a gun to any Pro’s head saying you have to be an IFBB Pro. No one says that you have to train 5 or 10 years and you have to become a Pro. These guys make that decision themselves. But once they accept that IFBB card, they have to accept the IFBB rules. Or go to the PDI ir the WGGB or where-ever.
You simply have to know that with every opportunity gained there is another opportunity one gives up. It’s a choice.
What I don’t understand is why people choose to go to the PDI yet still want to go to the IFBB.
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RHINO, two questions:
1. What are your goals as far as placing in the coming contests?
2. If you were somehow (I know, crazy thought) offered a Pro Card with the IFBB, instead of the PDI, would you rather compete there, and if so, why?
-Hedge
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GEEEEZ..you again..Give it a rest already.
;D
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Rhino. A question. What is your job beside bbing?
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I don't get defensive...I just asked why he cared. He (and they) should focus on themselves. The athletes will dictate where they wish to compete.
And no, it ever crossed my mnd to compete elsewhere. I was only interesting in accomplishing what I started out to do...turn pro and compete with the best in the world (IFBB). The ONLY time I considered anything else, was when McMahon was considering adding two amateurs to the WBF line-up..Myself and Paul DeMayo with a guaranteed contract...it ended up going belly-up anyways, before anything got going.
Bob, So do you always contradict yourself? :o ;D 8)
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Rhino. A question. What is your job beside bbing?
I currently work for Citigroup. But our division was just bought by a company called CIT.
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RHINO, two questions:
1. What are your goals as far as placing in the coming contests?
2. If you were somehow (I know, crazy thought) offered a Pro Card with the IFBB, instead of the PDI, would you rather compete there, and if so, why?
-Hedge
My goals are to make the top 10.
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I currently work for Citigroup. But our division was just bought by a company called CIT.
Its very good to hear it.
So enjoy your pro career ;)
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Why do you care?
Your evading the question.
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I don't disagree with Chick with the way he defends the IFBB and it's athletes. They' re the ones that pay him, and put food on the table. If you worked for Verzon, are u going to promote Cingular. But Chick, you have to agree that another federation would promote competition, and as a result, it would make bodybuilding better as a whole. It would give the athletes an alternative, and cause each federation to work that much harder.
An example would be when WCW with Ted Turner, beat WWE and McMahon in the ratings, and became it's competition. That period had some of the most entertaining television in wrestling history. It also gave the wrestlers an alternative if they were getting screwed from one company.
So, in the end, the wrestlers and the fans benefited. And in bodybuilding, the same would happen, and if you are for the athletes, how can u go against this.......It's called free enterprise!
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I don't disagree with Chick with the way he defends the IFBB and it's athletes. They' re the ones that pay him, and put food on the table. If you worked for Verzon, are u going to promote Cingular. But Chick, you have to agree that another federation would promote competition, and as a result, it would make bodybuilding better as a whole. It would give the athletes an alternative, and cause each federation to work that much harder.
An example would be when WCW with Ted Turner, beat WWE and McMahon in the ratings, and became it's competition. That period had some of the most entertaining television in wrestling history. It also gave the wrestlers an alternative if they were getting screwed from one company.
So, in the end, the wrestlers and the fans benefited. And in bodybuilding, the same would happen, and if you are for the athletes, how can u go against this.......It's called free enterprise!
that is my point. chick should NOT be so close to the ifbb. weather they pay him directly or not he gets paid winning ifbb contests ect. to be an athlete representative and to have there interests in mind i don't think the athlete rep should be directly affilated with the ifbb
thats like the president of the teamsters being a supervisor on the company side
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Chick, my man, I often agree with your comments but you couldn't be more wrong on this one. For Jack, it is already the same scenario. Doesn't make any dough against the scrubs now, so he really isn't hurt by Dexter winning. You can't make less than zero.
That what I don't get about the "Rhino" .
He gets all excited about potential defectors, when all it means to him is now he's 14th instead of 13th, he must truly be a nice person that it doesn't bother him at all.
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That what I don't get about the "Rhino" .
He gets all excited about potential defectors, when all it means to him is now he's 14th instead of 13th, he must truly be a nice person that it doesn't bother him at all.
If top name bodybuilder went over, then that would mean sponsors would come over too. That would mean more money for others in the PDI.
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I don't disagree with Chick with the way he defends the IFBB and it's athletes. They' re the ones that pay him, and put food on the table. If you worked for Verzon, are u going to promote Cingular. But Chick, you have to agree that another federation would promote competition, and as a result, it would make bodybuilding better as a whole. It would give the athletes an alternative, and cause each federation to work that much harder.
An example would be when WCW with Ted Turner, beat WWE and McMahon in the ratings, and became it's competition. That period had some of the most entertaining television in wrestling history. It also gave the wrestlers an alternative if they were getting screwed from one company.
So, in the end, the wrestlers and the fans benefited. And in bodybuilding, the same would happen, and if you are for the athletes, how can u go against this.......It's called free enterprise!
once again...for the 200th time....no one is saying competition would be a bad thing.
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If top name bodybuilder went over, then that would mean sponsors would come over too. That would mean more money for others in the PDI.
I guess. he does seem pretty adept at wrangling himself some sponsors for a dude that looks the way he does. Not trying to bash him, it is what it is.
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once again...for the 200th time....no one is saying competition would be a bad thing.
You're saying that u are all for competition, meanwhile, what would the IFBB do to a top supplement company that decided to sponsor the PDI, and don't tell me thats part of competition.
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You're saying that u are all for competition, meanwhile, what would the IFBB do to a top supplement company that decided to sponsor the PDI, and don't tell me thats part of competition.
I dont know...they dont seem to have any top supp companies.
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I don't know...they don't seem to have any top supp companies.
Well, why do u think they don't have any top companies. It's because the IFBB would weed them out of their shows, and which supplement company can afford to be out of the Olympia, and the Arnold.
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RHINO, two questions:
1. What are your goals as far as placing in the coming contests?
2. If you were somehow (I know, crazy thought) offered a Pro Card with the IFBB, instead of the PDI, would you rather compete there, and if so, why?
-Hedge
1. Try not to get last place
2. Lmao
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Well, why do u think they don't have any top companies. It's because the IFBB would weed them out of their shows, and which supplement company can afford to be out of the Olympia, and the Arnold.
there are a few reasons why....
1. some of these companies had to work with Wayne when he was with the IFBB...and now want nothing to do with him...
2. no ROI, basically, companies have to see a return for their dollar...not keep pandering to the same audience base.....
3. looks like most of their shows are going to be European based...ith most business coming from the states for many companies, it's not cost effective.
4. companies will take a "wait and see" approach...not just throw money away if it doesnt fit their demographics/ schedule/ budget/ etc.
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Come on Chick, u don't think MuscleTech or even Labrada or ON Nutrition wouldn't want to sponsor The Night of Champions In New York. Especially with money that MuscelTech spends on advertising, u think they would give up a chance to sponsor a show in NYC.
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Try doing a little homework before you think about debating....
In the 5 years prior to the WBF, My amateur record was excellent...and I was in the top 5 in almost all the national shows I did, then I went on to the Gladiators...it was when that folded, that Vince and crew were looking to expand the roster. I shot at McMahons house for the initial "Bodybuilding Lifestyles" magazine they put out...BTW, I still have the invitation from McMahon himself If you want me to scan it for you.
Sure, love to see it..........
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That what I don't get about the "Rhino" .
He gets all excited about potential defectors, when all it means to him is now he's 14th instead of 13th, he must truly be a nice person that it doesn't bother him at all.
I know I'm not the best....just doing the best I can. I am happy to be here. I am trying to build the sport, not win the NOC...I know I will never win a major pro show...that's oklay, I can still leave a legacy.
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I know I'm not the best....just doing the best I can. I am happy to be here. I am trying to build the sport, not win the NOC...I know I will never win a major pro show...that's oklay, I can still leave a legacy.
good luck leaving a monster legacy like vp of egg whites international. ;P
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good luck leaving a monster legacy like vp of egg whites international. ;P
????Whatever.