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too many pm question askin about same thing,,how to build an out of this world physiqe,,here is the rules i would obey buy if i started all over again and entered a gym at age 18,,enjoy muchachos ;)
*genetics as you call it on this board is really really not needed for phenominal physiqe,,for phenominal size yes,,but anyone can look like a bodybuilder,,even smaller guys.
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7 rules to build phenominal physiqe from gh15 house of pain or pain in the ass depends how you look at it,,follow it to the t and you will be able to not only call yourself bodybuilders but also look like ones
1. you dont built big legs with big weights,,you build it with higher number of reps with moderate weight,,pay attention to the 110lb "fitness girl" in your gym,,when she is on the stepper and you are behind her,,take a look at her quad swip and leg development,,,i assure you she didnt achieve it with 6 plates 45lb each side of a barbell,,the fact you see bunch of whores and homos looking at you while you squat dont mean you need to put on the bar 6 plates,,you wont build NOTHING BUT YOUR EGO,,and even then it wont be for long
2. lift only as heavy as you can lift with good form! all the show off movements should be kept to either when your legs are the size of kamali legs and already been through the growing phase which was years ago for a professional bodybuilder,,or to a specific day of the month that you feel like showing off and not training the muscle for growth purpose. you dont go and put 6 plates each side of the bar when you are 200lb and the pro next to you is 270lb,,dont work this way,,,yes even if you are on drugs!! the fact you juice dont mean you need to fuck yourself up and not improve,,chose a day to do it,,once a month,,to satisfy your need to be the "best" in the gym
3. use hormones on a regular basis
4. do not quit no matter what,,keep on going and improving,,the ones who quit always try to get back after couple years,,and never get back better,,always chasing the thought of what would happen if they didnt stop training,,NEVER QUIT!
5. diet matters less when you try to pack on muscle mass,,only when cutting diet really matters!,,pay attention to form and pack in the calories with good stack of hormones,,cut and think about diet later on when wanna do a show,,if you will sit and calculate your diet from the first moment you enter a gym you will NEVER EVER GROW! remember what i told you here,,,guys who start training should never pay 100% attention to diet,,only aspect they need to pay attention in the diet is high enough protien and high enough calories
6. always use ephedrine when cutting,,always use eca when cutting,,alwyas eat less when cutting,,always eat majority of your food clean when cutting,,dont ever give up your dirty food completely when cutting because your body needs it eventhough you are cutting,,doesnt need it overdue but still need it once or twice a week,,your brain needs it!,,especially on hormones and fat burners,,you will never look your best if you completely eliminate carbs during diet phase,,you gotta have them to a limit,,and i dont talk here about no carb up phase before a show im talkin about carb intake during the all diet/prep,,if you keep it at 30grams a day for 4 months you will end up looking like SHIT and dont listen to what any one else tell you,,you need to know how to cycle carbs right! especially when cutting.
7. if you chose to use supplements,,as in protien powder,,use a good one like allmax or something so you atleast have some good shit coming into your stomack with good taste,,,dont waste your money on crap
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How do you explain me, a natural, being bigger than everybody else in the gym?
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How do you explain me, a natural, being bigger than everybody else in the gym?
How is any extreme of a bell curve explained?
In any situation of "normal," there will be some manchild on the extreme end of standard deviation.
You are that manchild.
Relish in the fact that you are one in a billion. The quintessential "man among boys."
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How is any extreme of a bell curve explained?
In any situation of "normal," there will be some manchild on the extreme end of standard deviation.
You are that manchild.
Relish in the fact that you are one in a billion. The quintessential "man among boys."
Well put.
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Well put.
hahahaha
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How do you explain me, a natural, being bigger than everybody else in the gym?
It only has 3 members?
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"DETECTIVE!"
Edit: Made more sense with original subject.
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So is Ronnie's training pointless? I only ask because I look at Dorian, Jay and Ronnie and the former two BBers used less weight than Big Ron and were still friggin huge. Consider the fact that Dorian and Jay used 4 plates for deads and Ronnie used 8 or 9 a side for his heaviest...all three have thick lower backs. Same thing for leg presses and squats. Dorian used less plates but full range and had huge legs.
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Thanks, gh15. It's basic advice, but it's valuable advice!!!
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Very cool info!!! Out of the mouths of two people: lighter weights build size (#1 & #2).
Nice to know.
I tend to agree.
From my experience, when i get all "hardcore" and slap on the plates for some heavy squats, the next day the only thing that hurts are my hips and my ass.
When i do 4 sets of 20 reps to utter failure on the leg extension....I can't walk the next day from the pain in my quads.
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@GH15 - high reps/moderate weight in general for all body parts or just legs?
Any advice for naturals?
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"DETECTIVE!"
My bad.
NICE!!!! :D
Classic scene.
On the floor now fucker!!! Faster!!!! Faster fucker!!!
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How do you explain me, a natural, being bigger than everybody else in the gym?
Because you are the man alexxx.
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When is the almighty Apenis going to chime in.
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gh15,
Awesome post, as usual!
I never put on any size until I checked my ego at the door ( regarding what weight I used).
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gh15 would you agree that i am the real champion?! :D :D :D :D :D :D
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gh15 would you agree that i am the real champion?! :D :D :D :D :D :D
yes, when I am not around
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Because you are the man alexxx.
Good interpretation. :)
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What would you say is a good carb amount for a 200lb natural?
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,here is the rules i would obey buy if i started all over again and entered a gym at age 18,,enjoy muchachos ;)
Epic condoning drugs at age 18 and poor grammar.
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5,6 and 7 are WAY off the mark.
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5,6 and 7 are WAY off the mark.
Not starting Adonis, but what would you know about professional bodybuilding?
You haven't been able to get over 170 lean in your life.
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I agree totally with gh15, the pro's I've talked to and am friends with all advocate the same, moderate weight with perfect form and high enough reps.. trying to show off just gets you injured, then everybody else will be laughing at you when you tear a pec or bust a rotator and can't train for 6-8 months and lose 30lbs. of size.
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Hence why GVT apparently works. Lighter weight, more reps, better muscles.
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Not to say it shouldn't be heavy weight, should be heavy & trying to increase the weight within the context of moderate or higher reps with relatively short rests between sets. Overloading the muscle without stressing the joints.
By good form, I don't think he necessarily means strict all the time but rather that there should be some degree of control while lifting, shouldn't be sloppy using weights that are obviously too heavy.
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this advice has to be posted in my gym b/c i'm tired of seeing the challenging two man bench press or the swinging dumbbell curl that has high potential of slipping out of the hands and breaking the entire mirror :o
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Not starting Adonis, but what would you know about professional bodybuilding?
You haven't been able to get over 170 lean in your life.
OWNED hahahahaha
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this advice has to be posted in my gym b/c i'm tired of seeing the challenging two man bench press or the swinging dumbbell curl that has high potential of slipping out of the hands and breaking the entire mirror :o
that two man bench press should be an olympic sport...these fuckers take that shit serious
on my last chest day I did the pec dec for over 30 minutes..countless sets, reps ranged from 10-15 reps
then I did the standard chest work out..that was great
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so what your saying is that ronnie coleman has small legs? he trains really heavy for 6-10 rep range and his legs seem a decent size, right? the only people ive ever seen at the gyms ive been too that have big legs go heavy as hell with awsome form.
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bizump
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Thanks, gh15. It's basic advice, but it's valuable advice!!!
I agree, you need to jump you're metabolism after a couple days of low carb dieting. The third day should confuse the catabolic state, and keep you in an anabolic state with some good carbs, fats on the 3rd or 4th day.
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I agree, you need to jump you're metabolism after a couple days of low carb dieting. The third day should confuse the catabolic state, and keep you in an anabolic state with some good carbs, fats on the 3rd or 4th day.
What about six low carb days followed by one high carb day? Is that too many low carb days in a row?
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so what your saying is that ronnie coleman has small legs? he trains really heavy for 6-10 rep range and his legs seem a decent size, right? the only people ive ever seen at the gyms ive been too that have big legs go heavy as hell with awsome form.
nonono,,not even close to what i say,,
what i say is ron has 30 inch thighs and he can do what ever he wants at that size,,he already haveeee the muscle dialed in for many years,,now days he only condition it and perfect it with minor fixing if possible inorder to make a difference,, ofcourse when you got 30 inch legs you should not play with 100lb squats,,you should work with heavier weight but also not always,,it depends on couple factors
what im talkin about is not a ron colman of the 2000s but the ron colman of the college years,,,before the ron colman you know,,im talking about the gym person,,the every day guy,,wether juicing or not,,im talkin about the average bodybuilder that walks around with 24 25 26 27 inch thighs and been training couple years and wanna grow himself to a 30 incher,,thats what im talking about,,
you cant see 30 inch quads if you dont build the size right,,and like everything in life you start from small and basic,,to bigger and better,,and when you are bigger and better you can also play with heavy ass weight,,not always,,but more often
im talking about the 23-26 inch quad bodybuilder 5'10 or so,,that come in a gym and put 14 plates each side of the leg press and work it,,even if he does it semi ok,,it wont grow his legs,,it may make them stronger,,people around will give him complements of how strong he is,,but his legs wont grow,,it will make his bones and tendoins stronger ya,,but muscle wont grow as well as same type of guy that did 7 plates each side 12-15 times to a failure
gotta make the muscle work!
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*genetics as you call it on this board is really really not needed for phenominal physiqe,,for phenominal size yes,,but anyone can look like a bodybuilder,,even smaller guys.
wrong...
genetics are essential for a 'phenonnal' physique .. if what you are using the word phenominal in the correct context...
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phenominal physiques.. in their primee...
coleman..dillet....flex ...shawn... levrone...
even in the pro circles ..only a handful have phenominal physiques...
this is where genetics... come in... you can clearly see the guys... who have good genes or a little over average genetics.. ... some even have bad genetics...
so your above statement...
.... not accurate
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How do you explain me, a natural, being bigger than everybody else in the gym?
because you work out a YWCA. ;D
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Genetics determine a lot;
They determine the shape of your muscle bellies, response to excercise, response to hormones, frame, yes even such traits as perseverance and dedication. some of these factors can be mediated by training hard and using strict schedules, other factors are set in stone.
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too many pm question askin about same thing,,how to build an out of this world physiqe,,here is the rules i would obey buy if i started all over again and entered a gym at age 18,,enjoy muchachos ;)
*genetics as you call it on this board is really really not needed for phenominal physiqe,,for phenominal size yes,,but anyone can look like a bodybuilder,,even smaller guys.
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7 rules to build phenominal physiqe from gh15 house of pain or pain in the ass depends how you look at it,,follow it to the t and you will be able to not only call yourself bodybuilders but also look like ones
1. you dont built big legs with big weights,,you build it with higher number of reps with moderate weight,,pay attention to the 110lb "fitness girl" in your gym,,when she is on the stepper and you are behind her,,take a look at her quad swip and leg development,,,i assure you she didnt achieve it with 6 plates 45lb each side of a barbell,,the fact you see bunch of whores and homos looking at you while you squat dont mean you need to put on the bar 6 plates,,you wont build NOTHING BUT YOUR EGO,,and even then it wont be for long
2. lift only as heavy as you can lift with good form! all the show off movements should be kept to either when your legs are the size of kamali legs and already been through the growing phase which was years ago for a professional bodybuilder,,or to a specific day of the month that you feel like showing off and not training the muscle for growth purpose. you dont go and put 6 plates each side of the bar when you are 200lb and the pro next to you is 270lb,,dont work this way,,,yes even if you are on drugs!! the fact you juice dont mean you need to fuck yourself up and not improve,,chose a day to do it,,once a month,,to satisfy your need to be the "best" in the gym
3. use hormones on a regular basis
4. do not quit no matter what,,keep on going and improving,,the ones who quit always try to get back after couple years,,and never get back better,,always chasing the thought of what would happen if they didnt stop training,,NEVER QUIT!
5. diet matters less when you try to pack on muscle mass,,only when cutting diet really matters!,,pay attention to form and pack in the calories with good stack of hormones,,cut and think about diet later on when wanna do a show,,if you will sit and calculate your diet from the first moment you enter a gym you will NEVER EVER GROW! remember what i told you here,,,guys who start training should never pay 100% attention to diet,,only aspect they need to pay attention in the diet is high enough protien and high enough calories
6. always use ephedrine when cutting,,always use eca when cutting,,alwyas eat less when cutting,,always eat majority of your food clean when cutting,,dont ever give up your dirty food completely when cutting because your body needs it eventhough you are cutting,,doesnt need it overdue but still need it once or twice a week,,your brain needs it!,,especially on hormones and fat burners,,you will never look your best if you completely eliminate carbs during diet phase,,you gotta have them to a limit,,and i dont talk here about no carb up phase before a show im talkin about carb intake during the all diet/prep,,if you keep it at 30grams a day for 4 months you will end up looking like SHIT and dont listen to what any one else tell you,,you need to know how to cycle carbs right! especially when cutting.
7. if you chose to use supplements,,as in protien powder,,use a good one like allmax or something so you atleast have some good shit coming into your stomack with good taste,,,dont waste your money on crap
Thanx for the tip!!!!
BTW I could bet some money as you are Shaw Ray!!!!! "Don't waste your money..." is a typically endidn sentence of Shawn!!! I might be wrong but...
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Hence why GVT apparently works. Lighter weight, more reps, better muscles.
Not necessarly better muscles! More "good Looking" muscles, but not that functional. A muscle needs both high rep and low rep training. Those muscles created with high reps, are weaker and more prone to disappear if you stop training for 2-3 weeks. While muscles trained with both sistems are harder stronger and can be held for much more time. See some strongmen, even when they take/took 3 weeks off theiy didn't/don't lose any muscle, however it isn't that good lookin (except for Mariusz, although there are some strongmen with bber physique).
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so what your saying is that ronnie coleman has small legs? he trains really heavy for 6-10 rep range and his legs seem a decent size, right? the only people ive ever seen at the gyms ive been too that have big legs go heavy as hell with awsome form.
what ron does on camera is for the camera he knows people want to see extreme weights etc
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*genetics as you call it on this board is really really not needed for phenominal physiqe,,for phenominal size yes,,but anyone can look like a bodybuilder,,even smaller guys.
What if the person had really ugly looking muscle bellies and poor insertions? I guess genetics was not a factor. ::)
How do you explain me, a natural, being bigger than everybody else in the gym?
You should be the biggest guy at CURVES. hahahahahahhahaha!!!!!! Alexxx good work on your bit part in 300, however you are a bit delusional these days. No offense, you have OK legs, but you're physique is nothing special.
How is the "cyber" showdown between you and Billygunn going?
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You should be the biggest guy at CURVES. hahahahahahhahaha!!!!!! Alexxx good work on your bit part in 300, however you are a bit delusional these days. No offense, you have OK legs, but you're physique is nothing special.
How is the "cyber" showdown between you and Billygunn going?
some of those girls have bigger arms than him, I know for sure that they are benching more
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Not necessarly better muscles! More "good Looking" muscles, but not that functional. A muscle needs both high rep and low rep training. Those muscles created with high reps, are weaker and more prone to disappear if you stop training for 2-3 weeks. While muscles trained with both sistems are harder stronger and can be held for much more time. See some strongmen, even when they take/took 3 weeks off theiy didn't/don't lose any muscle, however it isn't that good lookin (except for Mariusz, although there are some strongmen with bber physique).
This is true also naturals must also include heavy training to spike their own testosterone levels. Moreover higher rep training inducing lactic acid will promote growth hormone. Fucks sake when will people learn that there doesn't have to be 'just one method' I mean we all recognise the adaptive nature of the human body right?? Chicherillo emphasises this... but people are very obstenant and everyone has an agenda... even myself. Go out and do the research for yourself, trial in the gym, make notes and for gods sake don't take every chumps' opinion like the gospel.
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How do you explain me, a natural, being bigger than everybody else in the gym?
Maybe because the gym is in your basement?
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Not necessarly better muscles! More "good Looking" muscles, but not that functional. A muscle needs both high rep and low rep training. Those muscles created with high reps, are weaker and more prone to disappear if you stop training for 2-3 weeks. While muscles trained with both sistems are harder stronger and can be held for much more time. See some strongmen, even when they take/took 3 weeks off theiy didn't/don't lose any muscle, however it isn't that good lookin (except for Mariusz, although there are some strongmen with bber physique).
"Good looking muscles"? ::) It's not that complicated, nor does everyone care about covering all the bases he's decided for us are necessary ie "a muscle needs both high rep & low rep training". ::) I know all about high and low twitch; low rep training is absolutely not required for bodybuiding and can be very counterproductive given the heightened injury potential. Moderate and higher reps are more effective, with far less downside.
For bodybuilding, the benefits of low rep training < heightened injury potential. Coleman's only going low reps for video purposes.
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Genetics determine a lot;
They determine the shape of your muscle bellies, response to excercise, response to hormones, frame, yes even such traits as perseverance and dedication. some of these factors can be mediated by training hard and using strict schedules, other factors are set in stone.
Ya but that's not what he's saying. He's not denying genetics.
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wrong...
genetics are essential for a 'phenonnal' physique .. if what you are using the word phenominal in the correct context...
...
phenominal physiques.. in their primee...
coleman..dillet....flex ...shawn... levrone...
even in the pro circles ..only a handful have phenominal physiques...
this is where genetics... come in... you can clearly see the guys... who have good genes or a little over average genetics.. ... some even have bad genetics...
so your above statement...
.... not accurate
Somehow you missed his point, which was that a good physique can be developed without the phenomenal part being there.
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This is true also naturals must also include heavy training to spike their own testosterone levels. Moreover higher rep training inducing lactic acid will promote growth hormone. Fucks sake when will people learn that there doesn't have to be 'just one method' I mean we all recognise the adaptive nature of the human body right?? Chicherillo emphasises this... but people are very obstenant and everyone has an agenda... even myself. Go out and do the research for yourself, trial in the gym, make notes and for gods sake don't take every chumps' opinion like the gospel.
Except that you haven't qualified what "heavy training" is. IMO there is NO need to ever go to low reps. Moderate and high reps all the time will (1) create max. development and (2) do much better in mitigating injuries. The "benefits" of low reps < injury potential.
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Pumpster is on a roll!
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Pumpster is on a roll!
Some excellent blanket assumptions and somehow, misinterpretations of posts of someone whose first language is obviously not english. They don't have the same excuse LOL
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Good grief I hope no 18 y/o takes your advice.
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Good grief I hope no 18 y/o takes your advice.
Without explanation, this is next to useless.
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Below are the 3 ways to strength train and build muscle:NOTE"GH15 only listed 1 he left out the other 2".
1. lifting a maximal load, a.k.a, the maximal-effort method
2. lifting a sub-maximal load to failure or near failure, a.k.a, the repeated-effort method
3. lifting (or throwing) a sub-maximal load with the highest possible speed, a.k.a, the dynamic-effort method
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heavy weight builds bigger muscles, thats bodybuilding 101
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heavy weight builds bigger muscles, thats bodybuilding 101
Leave it to rooster to dumb down a thread...lol
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heavy weight builds bigger muscles, thats bodybuilding 101
Way too general. What exactly is "heavy"..Heavy weight with at least moderate 6-12 reps i'd agree with.
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ok I will explain.
1- As a skinny kid trying to pack on mass back in the 80's for jr. high football up until now nearly 20 years later after studying the strength training industry along w/ what many other experts in strength coaching field believe, watching countless DVD's, attending seminars, and reading articles, books and abstracts by highly successful strength coaches in the industry, training fitness competitors as well as athletes and the general public , and a good 18 years of "in the trenches" experience to say high reps with light/moderate weight is ideal for building leg development is simply not true. I advocate a VARIETY of rep ranges and loads for training legs.
Sure you can throw in a 15 rep set every now and then but to develop the High Threshold Motor Units ( TYPE IIA and IIB ) or FAST TWITCH muscle fibers you have got to train with a load 85% or greater of your 1RM.
Except that your emphasis and background seems to be strength, not development, exactly what gh15 was differentiating. I think some here can't read between the lines of someone whose second language is english. If the idea's development, low reps are not at all optimal except in terms of heightened injury potential. Very few if any top bodybuilders are regularly doing low reps, except for videos.
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2. lift only as heavy as you can lift with good form! all the show off movements should be kept to either when your legs are the size of kamali legs and already been through the growing phase which was years ago for a professional bodybuilder,,or to a specific day of the month that you feel like showing off and not training the muscle for growth purpose. you dont go and put 6 plates each side of the bar when you are 200lb and the pro next to you is 270lb,,dont work this way,,,yes even if you are on drugs!! the fact you juice dont mean you need to fuck yourself up and not improve,,chose a day to do it,,once a month,,to satisfy your need to be the "best" in the gym
Pumpster, hmmm, I wonder what ever happened to the strict form theory I gave you??
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heavy weight builds bigger muscles, thats bodybuilding 101
so its safe to assume you never go heavy
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so its safe to assume you never go heavy
hahahahaha.
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Pumpster, hmmm, I wonder what ever happened to the strict form theory I gave you??
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Good form does not necessarily equal strict, which i just mentioned. Do you read the other posts? You're stuck on an unproven theory.
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so its safe to assume you never go heavy
not anymore punk ass, i'm old. but in my heyday, you couldn't have carred my jock.
i've seen tons of punks like you come and go in the gym, guys like you never last.
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not anymore punk ass, i'm old. but in my heyday, you couldn't have carred my jock.
i've seen tons of punks like you come and go in the gym, guys like you never last.
As if you know anything about dan18, he looks like he is above 40... how is that "not lasting"...
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As if you know anything about dan18, he looks like he is above 40... how is that "not lasting"...
not sure how too take that ???
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Good form does not necessarily equal strict, which i just mentioned. Do you read the other posts? You're stuck on an unproven theory.
Well, good form is closer to strict form in meaning as opposed to cheat curls or anything that is sloppy looking A'la Branch.
Why don't we ask GH15 what he means when he writes "Good Form"......
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Well, good form is closer to strict form in meaning as opposed to cheat curls or anything that is sloppy looking A'la Branch.
Why don't we ask GH15 what he means when he writes "Good Form"......
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Doesn't really matter; good form such as properly controlled cheat curls that aren't reverse cleans for example, work without being strict.
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not sure how too take that ???
oh, ;D how old are you?
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Well, good form is closer to strict form in meaning as opposed to cheat curls or anything that is sloppy looking A'la Branch.
Why don't we ask GH15 what he means when he writes "Good Form"......
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um because he dosent speak to homos....
ok sorry that was immature and insensative...cant help myself sometimes...
ok that was the last one..truce...
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not anymore punk ass, i'm old. but in my heyday, you couldn't have carred my jock.
i've seen tons of punks like you come and go in the gym, guys like you never last.
you carry you're jock in a nickle bag zip lock...
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um because he dosent speak to homos....
Good point LOL
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Doesn't really matter; good form such as properly controlled cheat curls that aren't reverse cleans for example, work without being strict.
Properly controlled cheat curls?!? Dude, its a move solely based on momentum and very little bicep muscle action. Why, don't we ask GH15 instead??
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not anymore punk ass, i'm old. but in my heyday, you couldn't have carred my jock.
i've seen tons of punks like you come and go in the gym, guys like you never last.
still using insulin, bird legs?
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Properly controlled cheat curls?!? Dude, its a move solely based on momentum and very little bicep muscle action. Why, don't we ask GH15 instead??
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Wrong, good form on cheats is to maintain control, not the same as reverse cheats. Obviously you can't tell the difference. Asking gh15 isn't going to help, he's only one opinion either way.
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still using insulin, bird legs?
hahaahahaha.....his thighs look like my calves...
when i was 13
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oh, ;D how old are you?
its cool im 40 and i look better than old rooster natty as well ...
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hahaahahaha.....his thighs look like my calves...
when i was 13
hahahahaha, exactly, he keeps his legs skinny so he can run from the cops when they chase him down for "approaching" 12 year olds.
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hahahahaha, exactly, he keeps his legs skinny so he can run from the cops when they chase him down for "approaching" 12 year olds.
or he can run when he sees this guy
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Wrong, good form on cheats is to maintain control, not the same as reverse cheats. Obviously you can't tell the difference. Asking gh15 isn't going to help, he's only one opinion either way.
Look sexy, I've worked out with many pros throughout my life and the ones that succeed are the ones that use good strict form. gh15 is a pro are you a pro? Do you have any pictures to validate your claims?
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or he can run when he sees this guy
hahahahaha, i love when he walks out and says, "so, what's on the agenda for tonight?"
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Look man, I've worked out with many pros all my life and the ones that succeed are the same ones that use good strict form. gh15 is a pro are you a pro? Do you have any pictures to validate your claims?
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Dude, wake up you're going in circles with the same stuff. Schwarzenegger for one always said cheat curls were #1 for size, was he a pro? LOL it's too easy shooting holes in your logic-strict the way you're obsessed with is only one way.
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As if you know anything about dan18, he looks like he is above 40... how is that "not lasting"...
he is over 40 and spends his days insulting people on a web site? thats even MORE DISTURBING!
i can understand a punk like squadfather doing that, hes still hitting puberty and waiting on his first sexual encounter.
I'm not counting his mom giving him bj's
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Dude, wake up you're going in circles with the same stuff. Schwarzenegger for one always said cheat curls were #1 for size, was he a pro? LOL it's too easy shooting holes in your logic.
You go by anything Schwarzenegger says don't you? Arnold was the same guy that would lead everyone stray feeding them bullshit training principles that he would never use. Problem is, you have no logic.
All I am trying to say is that by using strict form, you will achieve the results you desire faster than by using sloppy form.
For instance, using strict form along with all other variables intact (Diet, Drugs etc..) you will get where you want to be in about 2-3 years. Whereas using sloppy form, you will get to where you want to be at about 6-7 years.
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You go by anything Schwarzenegger says don't you? Arnold was the same guy that would lead everyone stray feeding them bullshit training principles that he would never use. Problem is, you have no logic.
You were the one who started evoking pros as your "evidence". Discussing this with you is like shooting fish in a barrel.
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You were the one who started evoking pros as your "evidence". Discussing this with you is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Aren't you the same guy who had the longest thread in getbig history? The debate about Ronnie versus Dorian?
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You go by anything Schwarzenegger says don't you? Arnold was the same guy that would lead everyone stray feeding them bullshit training principles that he would never use. Problem is, you have no logic.
Check it out...Strict reps are good at the begining of the exercise but i have no problem with getting to the top of the set and cheating to get a couple of forced reps out....my body responds better from that than trying to go for strict form all the way through...
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Check it out...Strict reps are good at the begining of the exercise but i have no problem with getting to the top of the set and cheating to get a couple of forced reps out....my body responds better from that than trying to go for strict form all the way through...
LOL this is called common sense, mixing the two in together for maximal effect.
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"everything works but nothing works forever".
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Check it out...Strict reps are good at the begining of the exercise but i have no problem with getting to the top of the set and cheating to get a couple of forced reps out....my body responds better from that than trying to go for strict form all the way through...
big_mal,
I understand what you do, but would you agree that using cheat curls from the beginning to the end would be very futile?
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big_mal,
I understand what you do, but would you agree that using cheat curls from the beginning to the end would be very futile?
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Keep in mind that he can't discern between reverse cleans and controlled cheats just to get the weight moving, that work the muscle well; there's no in between for him.
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Keep in mind that he can't discern between reverse cleans and controlled cheats that work the muscle well; there's no in between for him.
I don't understand. You are saying that big_mal can't discern between reverse cleans and controlled cheats or are you saying I can not?
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he is over 40 and spends his days insulting people on a web site? thats even MORE DISTURBING!
i can understand a punk like squadfather doing that, hes still hitting puberty and waiting on his first sexual encounter.
I'm not counting his mom giving him bj's
You post more than me stupid youre on here more than me it passes the time while working i dont have as much time as id like at least im not on here after work.Its called a life..
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You go by anything Schwarzenegger says don't you? Arnold was the same guy that would lead everyone stray feeding them bullshit training principles that he would never use. Problem is, you have no logic.
All I am trying to say is that by using strict form, you will achieve the results you desire faster than by using sloppy form.
For instance, using strict form along with all other variables intact (Diet, Drugs etc..) you will get where you want to be in about 2-3 years. Whereas using sloppy form, you will get to where you want to be at about 6-7 years.
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Whoa, you have more knowledge that Arnie? hahahahahaha
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I don't understand. You are saying that big_mal can't discern between reverse cleans and controlled cheats or are you saying I can not?
Try a set in which you use just a slight bit of motion to get the weight thru the first few inches that includes the sticking point, after which it's all you getting the weight up. Controlled cheats, nothing to do with the reverse cleans.
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Whoa, you have more knowledge that Arnie? hahahahahaha
Shut up old man and let the grown ups speak. I have an AARP card in the mail for you, just sit tight.
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Keep in mind that he can't discern between reverse cleans and controlled cheats just to get the weight moving, that work the muscle well; there's no in between for him.
oh na i dont do that...like its for forced reps...but im not gonna load a bunch of weight and just cheat from start to finish...i dont really feel shit when i do that.
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Try a set in which you use just a slight bit of motion to get the weight thru the first few inches that includes the sticking point, after which it's all you getting the weight up. Controlled cheats, nothing to do with the reverse cleans you seem to think are the only alternative to strict.
Pumpster,
I don't think you understand what I am saying. If for instance, you were to use cheat curls for an entire set, you will find that your gains will be minimal in a short time frame, but if you were to use strict form instead, your gains will me much more discernible..
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Pumpster,
I don't think you understand what I am saying. If for instance, you were to use cheat curls for an entire set, you will find that your gains will be minimal in a short time frame, but if you were to use strict form instead, your gains will me much more discernible..
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What i'm saying is that those aren't the only two possibilities. A third is very slight motion at the beginning of each ROM, just to get the weight moving a few inches using heavier weight, after which the muscles take over. AKA x-reps. Slight motion to get through the sticking point. Nothing to do with either of your scenarios. A whole set like this is effective, sometimes better than strict.
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And what i'm saying is that those aren't the only two possibilities. A third is what i've said, very slight motion at the beginning just to get the weight moving a few inches, after which the muscles take over. Nothing to do with either of your scenarios.
Pumpster, why don't we agree to disagree and instead make a peace thread?
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Keep in mind that he can't discern between reverse cleans and controlled cheats just to get the weight moving, that work the muscle well; there's no in between for him.
im sorry i have no idea what you are talking about..im a mere simpleton
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im sorry i have no idea what you are talking about..im a mere simpleton
No you are not, I don't care what anyone says, I love you big_mal..
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No you are not, I don't care what anyone says, I love you big_mal..
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Um ok..thats cool :-\
Still like WTF does he mean..actually i dont care...im swole ;D
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Pumpster, why don't we agree to disagree and instead make a peace thread?
We had until you brought it up on this thread LOL
You should think about what i've said now that you brought it up. You've only thought of two extremes, not the compromise i've just introduced you to. ;)
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gh15, what do you think of DC training, which advocates progressively heavier weights?
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gh15, what do you think of DC training, which advocates progressively heavier weights?
Hey. Your avatar is Avy Scott? She is hot.
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Hey. Your avatar is Avy Scott? She is hot.
i boned her
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You need to lift heavy in order to grow...
You also have to use good reps 8-10
Everyone grows from different types of training
You need to change your routine reps and weight in order to grow or the muscle will get a pump but you will stay at a stand still...
the theory only heavy weights is stupid. think about it like this how much weight can one lift after so many years if you can bench 400 for 6 reps does that mean in 2 years you have to bench 600 in order to grow muscle...it kinda blows that heavy only theory out of the water..
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No, her name is Eden.. she made this really hot video for BTRA with the gorgeous Sara Stone, big tit overload!!!
Any way, thanks Dan18, you make a good point.
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i boned her
Wow. Are you a porn actor?
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Wow. Are you a porn actor?
no he just plays one on tv ;D
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How do you explain me, a natural, being bigger than everybody else in the gym?
go to a real gym, not in canada, and you'll see the difference.
time for a reality check.
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Way too general. What exactly is "heavy"..Heavy weight with at least moderate 6-12 reps i'd agree with.
Heavy weight is determined as a load which REPRESENTS 85% or greater of your 1 Rep Max.
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Heavy weight is determined as a load which REPRESENTS 85% or greater of your 1 Rep Max.
According to who? Anyway, that's waaay too heavy for bodybuilding.
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too many pm question askin about same thing,,how to build an out of this world physiqe,,here is the rules i would obey buy if i started all over again and entered a gym at age 18,,enjoy muchachos ;)
*genetics as you call it on this board is really really not needed for phenominal physiqe,,for phenominal size yes,,but anyone can look like a bodybuilder,,even smaller guys.
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7 rules to build phenominal physiqe from gh15 house of pain or pain in the ass depends how you look at it,,follow it to the t and you will be able to not only call yourself bodybuilders but also look like ones
1. you dont built big legs with big weights,,you build it with higher number of reps with moderate weight,,pay attention to the 110lb "fitness girl" in your gym,,when she is on the stepper and you are behind her,,take a look at her quad swip and leg development,,,i assure you she didnt achieve it with 6 plates 45lb each side of a barbell,,the fact you see bunch of whores and homos looking at you while you squat dont mean you need to put on the bar 6 plates,,you wont build NOTHING BUT YOUR EGO,,and even then it wont be for long
2. lift only as heavy as you can lift with good form! all the show off movements should be kept to either when your legs are the size of kamali legs and already been through the growing phase which was years ago for a professional bodybuilder,,or to a specific day of the month that you feel like showing off and not training the muscle for growth purpose. you dont go and put 6 plates each side of the bar when you are 200lb and the pro next to you is 270lb,,dont work this way,,,yes even if you are on drugs!! the fact you juice dont mean you need to fuck yourself up and not improve,,chose a day to do it,,once a month,,to satisfy your need to be the "best" in the gym
3. use hormones on a regular basis
4. do not quit no matter what,,keep on going and improving,,the ones who quit always try to get back after couple years,,and never get back better,,always chasing the thought of what would happen if they didnt stop training,,NEVER QUIT!
5. diet matters less when you try to pack on muscle mass,,only when cutting diet really matters!,,pay attention to form and pack in the calories with good stack of hormones,,cut and think about diet later on when wanna do a show,,if you will sit and calculate your diet from the first moment you enter a gym you will NEVER EVER GROW! remember what i told you here,,,guys who start training should never pay 100% attention to diet,,only aspect they need to pay attention in the diet is high enough protien and high enough calories
6. always use ephedrine when cutting,,always use eca when cutting,,alwyas eat less when cutting,,always eat majority of your food clean when cutting,,dont ever give up your dirty food completely when cutting because your body needs it eventhough you are cutting,,doesnt need it overdue but still need it once or twice a week,,your brain needs it!,,especially on hormones and fat burners,,you will never look your best if you completely eliminate carbs during diet phase,,you gotta have them to a limit,,and i dont talk here about no carb up phase before a show im talkin about carb intake during the all diet/prep,,if you keep it at 30grams a day for 4 months you will end up looking like SHIT and dont listen to what any one else tell you,,you need to know how to cycle carbs right! especially when cutting.
7. if you chose to use supplements,,as in protien powder,,use a good one like allmax or something so you atleast have some good shit coming into your stomack with good taste,,,dont waste your money on crap
AHHAAHAHAH!!! Settle down pumpkin.....it's just liftin weights.
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AHHAAHAHAH!!! Settle down pumpkin.....it's just liftin weights.
Chill, keyboard warrior; obviously it's of interest.
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Chill, keyboard warrior; obviously it's of interest.
Doesn't make it any less gay.
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Yup, and knees and possibly even lower back...wish I had learned that sooner
No shit......takes me a long ass time to warm up now. I RARELY went over 8 reps during my first 10 years of squatting. The most I did during that time was 500x1 and 405x15.....knees have taken a beating!!!!
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Doesn't make it any less gay.
Gay to discuss training on a bodybuilding site? LOL
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According to who? Anyway, that's waaay too heavy for bodybuilding.
Charles Poliquin.
In order to fully Activate the high threshold motor units ( Type IIA and IIB) ... fast twitch fibers which possess the greatest GROWTH POTENTIAL, you must train with a 85% load of your 1RM.
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Charles Poliquin.
In order to fully Activate the high threshold motor units ( Type IIA and IIB) ... fast twitch fibers which possess the greatest GROWTH POTENTIAL, you must train with a 85% load of your 1RM.
Guess what, it's just another opinion; some actually believe and pay for info they think is superior when it's in fact largely regurgitated from dispirate already existing sources. There's nothing conclusive; as soon as i start to see arbitrary formulas like that i know there's something up. I went to the same university; no one saw him work out, even once in the years there. He convinced them to bring in a very questionable costly line of hydraulic equipment in lieu of serious bodbuilding equipment, that no one ended up using. All of a sudden almost a decade later he suddenly blew up from average by about 30 lb. or more, surprise surprise wink wink.
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Gay to discuss training on a bodybuilding site? LOL
No, it's the bullshit diehard intensity with which he posted the "7 rules" that screams insecure queer.
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gh15, what do you think of DC training, which advocates progressively heavier weights?
not femiliar much with his training but any training that progressively increase the weights and load will grow you,,
my point is you dont go up in weight load if you cant lift it with at the least decent form,,you will simply be stuck in place,,
nnothing wrong with 6-10 reps,,i like this range especially for upper body,,but you better do them with decent form,,its not enough to do half ass movement and not feel tension and muscle work,,any one can do it,,infact some guys bones and tendoins are so strong they lift heavy weights with not much muscle on their frame,,
the lifters who do cheat movements do it at specific points of training,,any one of them can come fresh in the gym and do this exercise first thing and do it with close to perfect form,,be sure of that,,its only the timing they do it that make it cheating movment,,they are already tired and been though couple sets and couple exercises when they go into the cheating movements
the basic principle is to feel the muscle working,, i dont care how you get there,,but there is no need to climb up to 50lb if you didnt feel your muscle working with 40lb
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gh15,
What did u think of the form Alex23 used when doing military press with 275?
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gh15,
What did u think of the form Alex23 used when doing military press with 275?
he would have said lower weight to 225lbs and do it correct.
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still a pretty good lift. form was ok but not great.
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he would have said lower weight to 225lbs and do it correct.
Has this guy ever complemented anyone? LOL Also learn correct grammar dude.
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How do you explain me, a natural, being bigger than everybody else in the gym?
You re a phenom, like a God amongst mortal men, thats why.
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Has this guy ever complemented anyone? LOL Also learn correct grammar dude.
obsessed ;D
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obsessed ;D
Weak comeback ;D
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Weak comeback ;D
not a comeback, a statement of fact.
did nurse gemima let you on the internet, pumpalumpa? ;)
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not a comeback, a statement of fact.
did nurse gemima let you on the internet, pumpalumpa? ;)
Rabid backpeddling LOL Another weak one. ;)
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So is it safe to say that beginners should stick to the 3 x 12-15 range and move as much weight as they can while maintaining strict form? I still like the ideas of moving up each workout either in sets, reps, or weight. Does that still apply?
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So is it safe to say that beginners should stick to the 3 x 12-15 range and move as much weight as they can while maintaining strict form? I still like the ideas of moving up each workout either in sets, reps, or weight. Does that still apply?
Sounds good but as mentioned strict form is only one way, as long as the muscle's worked. Moderate cheating during or at the end of the set can work wonders to increase the reps & weight, which are two of the essential ways of growing that don't change.
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Sounds good but as mentioned strict form is only one way, as long as the muscle's worked. Moderate cheating during or at the end of the set can work wonders to increase the reps & weight, which are two of the essential ways of growing that don't change.
"Strict form one way" meaning only on the positive portion of the rep?
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"Strict form one way" meaning only on the positive portion of the rep?
A little cheating on the positive side, but moderate so the muscle's still worked.
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A little cheating on the positive side, but moderate so the muscle's still worked.
Got it. I remember reading about Arnold and his cheat curls, saying that it was important for the negative to be completely stressed. Thanks for the info.
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You re a phenom, like a God amongst mortal men, thats why.
yeah well.
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he is spartan..
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he would have said lower weight to 225lbs and do it correct.
if he could do the weight with decent form id say why not,,if not then youre right lower the iron,,
let me try to explain in in a diff way,,so its easy and simple to understand to someone with no experience in lifting,,
the difference between good lifting andbad lifting is like the diff between watching bon jovie live concert comparing to watching that whore spears in live concert,,
one is an out of this world performence with the basics dialed in thus lasted for generations
one is an untalented whore who wanted attention thus failed and went home,,the basics were never there,,the individual cheated her way up,,
same thing with building your body
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check it out and see what professional approach to anything inlife means,,and when working on something the right way for many years..you shine for long long time,,and it shows
work right in the gym so outside the gym you can show the results!
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if he could do the weight with decent form id say why not,,if not then youre right lower the iron,,
let me try to explain in in a diff way,,so its easy and simple to understand to someone with no experience in lifting,,
the difference between good lifting andbad lifting is like the diff between watching bon jovie live concert comparing to watching that whore spears in live concert,,
one is an out of this world performence with the basics dialed in thus lasted for generations
one is an untalented whore who wanted attention thus failed and went home,,the basics were never there,,the individual cheated her way up,,
same thing with building your body
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check it out and see what professional approach to anything inlife means,,and when working on something the right way for many years..you shine for long long time,,and it shows
work right in the gym so outside the gym you can show the results!
completely get what youre saying, but the last time i saw bon jovi in concert... it sucked...
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1. you dont built big legs with big weights,,you build it with higher number of reps with moderate weight,,pay attention to the 110lb "fitness girl" in your gym,,when she is on the stepper and you are behind her,,take a look at her quad swip and leg development,,,i assure you she didnt achieve it with 6 plates 45lb each side of a barbell,,the fact you see bunch of whores and homos looking at you while you squat dont mean you need to put on the bar 6 plates,,you wont build NOTHING BUT YOUR EGO,,and even then it wont be for long
case in point: this girl at the races yesterday :o :o :o
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case in point: this girl at the races yesterday :o :o :o
and again
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and again
one more time so we're clear
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Bumpity bump!
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bump
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too many pm question askin about same thing,,how to build an out of this world physiqe,,here is the rules i would obey buy if i started all over again and entered a gym at age 18,,enjoy muchachos ;)
*genetics as you call it on this board is really really not needed for phenominal physiqe,,for phenominal size yes,,but anyone can look like a bodybuilder,,even smaller guys.
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7 rules to build phenominal physiqe from gh15 house of pain or pain in the ass depends how you look at it,,follow it to the t and you will be able to not only call yourself bodybuilders but also look like ones
1. you dont built big legs with big weights,,you build it with higher number of reps with moderate weight,,pay attention to the 110lb "fitness girl" in your gym,,when she is on the stepper and you are behind her,,take a look at her quad swip and leg development,,,i assure you she didnt achieve it with 6 plates 45lb each side of a barbell,,the fact you see bunch of whores and homos looking at you while you squat dont mean you need to put on the bar 6 plates,,you wont build NOTHING BUT YOUR EGO,,and even then it wont be for long
2. lift only as heavy as you can lift with good form! all the show off movements should be kept to either when your legs are the size of kamali legs and already been through the growing phase which was years ago for a professional bodybuilder,,or to a specific day of the month that you feel like showing off and not training the muscle for growth purpose. you dont go and put 6 plates each side of the bar when you are 200lb and the pro next to you is 270lb,,dont work this way,,,yes even if you are on drugs!! the fact you juice dont mean you need to fuck yourself up and not improve,,chose a day to do it,,once a month,,to satisfy your need to be the "best" in the gym
3. use hormones on a regular basis
4. do not quit no matter what,,keep on going and improving,,the ones who quit always try to get back after couple years,,and never get back better,,always chasing the thought of what would happen if they didnt stop training,,NEVER QUIT!
5. diet matters less when you try to pack on muscle mass,,only when cutting diet really matters!,,pay attention to form and pack in the calories with good stack of hormones,,cut and think about diet later on when wanna do a show,,if you will sit and calculate your diet from the first moment you enter a gym you will NEVER EVER GROW! remember what i told you here,,,guys who start training should never pay 100% attention to diet,,only aspect they need to pay attention in the diet is high enough protien and high enough calories
6. always use ephedrine when cutting,,always use eca when cutting,,alwyas eat less when cutting,,always eat majority of your food clean when cutting,,dont ever give up your dirty food completely when cutting because your body needs it eventhough you are cutting,,doesnt need it overdue but still need it once or twice a week,,your brain needs it!,,especially on hormones and fat burners,,you will never look your best if you completely eliminate carbs during diet phase,,you gotta have them to a limit,,and i dont talk here about no carb up phase before a show im talkin about carb intake during the all diet/prep,,if you keep it at 30grams a day for 4 months you will end up looking like SHIT and dont listen to what any one else tell you,,you need to know how to cycle carbs right! especially when cutting.
7. if you chose to use supplements,,as in protien powder,,use a good one like allmax or something so you atleast have some good shit coming into your stomack with good taste,,,dont waste your money on crap
8. don't masturbate before a workout. The testosterone dump will make you weak. Then Drago will come in your gym and beat your black friend to death. TRUTH
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gh15, are drop sets where one goes from heavy-moderate-light within the same set considered high rep?
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How do you explain me, a natural, being bigger than everybody else in the gym?
LMAO !!
damn I miss this dude
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gh15, are drop sets where one goes from heavy-moderate-light within the same set considered high rep?
yes bro !
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nonono,,not even close to what i say,,
what i say is ron has 30 inch thighs and he can do what ever he wants at that size,,he already haveeee the muscle dialed in for many years,,now days he only condition it and perfect it with minor fixing if possible inorder to make a difference,, ofcourse when you got 30 inch legs you should not play with 100lb squats,,you should work with heavier weight but also not always,,it depends on couple factors
what im talkin about is not a ron colman of the 2000s but the ron colman of the college years,,,before the ron colman you know,,im talking about the gym person,,the every day guy,,wether juicing or not,,im talkin about the average bodybuilder that walks around with 24 25 26 27 inch thighs and been training couple years and wanna grow himself to a 30 incher,,thats what im talking about,,
you cant see 30 inch quads if you dont build the size right,,and like everything in life you start from small and basic,,to bigger and better,,and when you are bigger and better you can also play with heavy ass weight,,not always,,but more often
im talking about the 23-26 inch quad bodybuilder 5'10 or so,,that come in a gym and put 14 plates each side of the leg press and work it,,even if he does it semi ok,,it wont grow his legs,,it may make them stronger,,people around will give him complements of how strong he is,,but his legs wont grow,,it will make his bones and tendoins stronger ya,,but muscle wont grow as well as same type of guy that did 7 plates each side 12-15 times to a failure
gotta make the muscle work!
This post and your original thread are quite good. Thanks for posting them GH15
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Maybe because the gym is in your basement?
;DClassic get big crack. Made me laugh my ass off
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;DClassic get big crack. Made me laugh my ass off
bmacys was one of my original bottom bitches... prob. offed himself hahahha