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Sure it was an aweful period in American history, but was it out of the ordinary? Civilizations have had slaves since the dawn of man (usually through the spoils of war). Even Africa actively participated in enslaving, and selling they're own people. Isn't paying an illegal alien chump change, modern day slavery? Sure most slaves were brought to America against thier will, but you should blame the ruling African elite of that time for profiting off of they're own people.
I end this with a question: Shouldn't African Americans point at least some of the blame on the people who allowed, and profited on the slave trade?
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Sure it was an aweful period in American history, but was it out of the ordinary? Civilizations have had slaves since the dawn of man (usually through the spoils of war). Even Africa actively participated in enslaving, and selling they're own people. Isn't paying an illegal alien chump change, modern day slavery? Sure most slaves were brought to America against thier wiil, but you should blame the ruling African elite of that time for profiting off of they're own people.
I end this with a question: Shouldn't African Americans point at least some of the blame on the people who allowed, and profited on the slave trade?
the blame diffently dosent just land on the owner your right, although i dont think hiring mexican for change is the same as slavery though.
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I end this with a question: Shouldn't African Americans point at least some of the blame on the people who allowed, and profited on the slave trade?
They just blame "whitey"
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Great Great Grandpa always said that they should be grateful that they were able to be sold to the United States, because at the time, living in Africa as a slave, was far worse. Sometimes he would buy straight off the boat and treat them to a nice steak dinner with Apple Cobbler, something they would never have had in Africa.
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Great Great Grandpa always said that they should be grateful that they were able to be sold to the United States, because at the time, living in Africa as a slave, was far worse. Sometimes he would buy straight off the boat and treat them to a nice steak dinner with Apple Cobbler, something they would never have had in Africa.
was that before or after the lashes?
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I don't get why slavery has such a bad rap
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Great Great Grandpa always said that they should be grateful that they were able to be sold to the United States, because at the time, living in Africa as a slave, was far worse. Sometimes he would buy straight off the boat and treat them to a nice steak dinner with Apple Cobbler, something they would never have had in Africa.
People do seem to forget that Africans had slaves themselves. People need to realise that slavery in America, was just continuing (albeit a fading one) the tradition of every nation, on every continent, that ever existed. Americans get a bad rap.
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Sure it was an aweful period in American history, but was it out of the ordinary? Civilizations have had slaves since the dawn of man (usually through the spoils of war). Even Africa actively participated in enslaving, and selling they're own people. Isn't paying an illegal alien chump change, modern day slavery? Sure most slaves were brought to America against thier will, but you should blame the ruling African elite of that time for profiting off of they're own people.
I end this with a question: Shouldn't African Americans point at least some of the blame on the people who allowed, and profited on the slave trade?
I think it's sickening how schools try to teach kids that their ancestors were monsters.
For the time, they really weren't doing anything they could possibly know to be wrong.
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I don't get why slavery has such a bad rap
It's about the political correctness (bullshit) of todays societies. I'm willing to bet that African Americans were treated far worse in the 50's and 60's than at anytime before the Emancipation Proclamation.
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Slavery is the biggest mis-conception in the history of mankind. Thank hollywood movies for this, ya the slave's dream is to be set free, Bullshit.
The reality is if ten slaves got set free 9 would stay, why? cause their family is being fed, they have shelter and protection.
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Some stinking gypsies have just been jailed over here for keeping slaves they were made to work for nothing and starved, beaten and lived in freezing unheated caravans and had to shit in buckets. one poor fucker had been therw for years.
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We had one President of the United States who was in the same class of slaves and treated as such. Andrew Johnson. He was bonded to a man called James Selby in Raleigh, NC who made Andrew Johnson become a tailor. He was legally bound to Mr. Selby until Andrew turned 21. Andrew Johnson ran away and J. Selby sent out a "Slave Bill" with a reward for anyone who would return Andrew Johnson. Johnson eventually came back and tried to buy his way out of bondage but was unable to do so. He was forced to move West.
Andrew Johnson`s boyhood home is located on a Jewish Plantation in Raleigh, Mordecai Plantation Manor.
Here is the Jewish Plantation.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Historic_Mordecai_House-Raleigh-NC-13_Sept_2010.jpeg/800px-Historic_Mordecai_House-Raleigh-NC-13_Sept_2010.jpeg)
And here is Andrew Johnson`s boyhood home on the Plantation.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Andrew_Johnsons_First_Home_2006.jpg)
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I think it's sickening how schools try to teach kids that their ancestors were monsters.
For the time, they really weren't doing anything they could possibly know to be wrong.
The fuck how are you people this fucking stupid.
This ain`t no PC shit, fuck are you folk ignornant.
People knew slavery was fucking bad, the thing was there was bad slave owners and there was good. The bad scared the shit out of the good guys.
It didn`t mean slavery made sense or they didn`t know their was problems with it, simply no one knew how to stop it.
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Without slavery would there be so many blacks making millions of dollars playing sports?
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I don't get why slavery has such a bad rap
Hmm for people that whine and bitch like little children about PC shit, something makes me think you wouldn`t last long bub.
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I don't get why slavery has such a bad rap
You would have to ask the slaves..... ::)
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You would have to ask the slaves..... ::)
And the answer would depend on which ones you asked.
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The fuck how are you people this fucking stupid.
This ain`t no PC shit, fuck are you folk ignornant.
People knew slavery was fucking bad, the thing was there was bad slave owners and there was good. The bad scared the shit out of the good guys.
It didn`t mean slavery made sense or they didn`t know their was problems with it, simply no one knew how to stop it.
This is where you are dead wrong. When every nation on the planet is doing so, it is the norm, no one knew it was wrong.
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Slavery is the biggest mis-conception in the history of mankind. Thank hollywood movies for this, ya the slave's dream is to be set free, Bullshit.
The reality is if ten slaves got set free 9 would stay, why? cause their family is being fed, they have shelter and protection.
Your leaving out the part where blacks couldn`t do shit when free. Slavery wasn`t a one dimensional concept where it was simply a matter of having chains.
It was about the rape of an entire group of people.
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This is where you are dead wrong. When every nation on the planet is doing so, it is the norm, no one knew it was wrong.
Every nation we know has child molestors does not make it somehow right.
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Your leaving out the part where blacks couldn`t do shit when free. Slavery wasn`t a one dimensional concept where it was simply a matter of having chains.
It was about the rape of an entire group of people.
At least in the South, Free Blacks could own slaves.
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Every nation we know has child molestors does not make it somehow right.
Keep it real brother, you know that argument is not comparable
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At least in the South, Free Blacks could own slaves.
please for the love of god, don`t use your asocialism to devalue an entire group of people.
Blacks had tons of theorectical outs they simply did not work.
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A black man, John Carruthers Stanly was the largest slaveholder in Craven County, NC.
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Keep it real brother, you know that argument is not comparable
The point is, america was suppose to be some great democracy, where people are not subjigated to the same crap that was found in the old world.
People didn`t fight for freedom in america and not realize how bad the old world power structure was.
People simply used the age old nonsense of what can I do about it, whenever something bad happens.
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please for the love of god, don`t use your asocialism to devalue an entire group of people.
Blacks had tons of theorectical outs they simply did not work.
You don`t know anything about American History so I suggest you shut your Ass Burgers up, at least for today.
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please for the love of god, don`t use your asocialism to devalue an entire group of people.
Blacks had tons of theorectical outs they simply did not work.
I study history bro and the Black people from Africa were dying to come to the US.knowing full well that they would live a life as a slave but nevertheless that option seemed like Heaven to them in comparison to their life in Africa.
So people can complain all they want but the reality is white people treated their slaves better then African people treated their own kind (of course there are exceptions), otherwise Africans would not have wanted to come to the US even as slaves.
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We should ask the saudis about this.
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Segregation was probably worse then slavery. Properly treated slaves who worked for food, clothes, and a shelter, are no different than migrant workers of today.
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You don`t know anything about American History so I suggest you shut your Ass Burgers up, at least for today.
Dude your fucking trolling hard, your asocial nonsense is annoying at best.
This is slavery you dumb fuck, hardly a minor issue.
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Dude your fucking trolling hard, your asocial nonsense is annoying at best.
This is slavery you dumb fuck, hardly a minor issue.
I happen to know what I am talking about, moron. You, on the other hand, do not.
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Sure it was an aweful period in American history, but was it out of the ordinary? Civilizations have had slaves since the dawn of man (usually through the spoils of war). Even Africa actively participated in enslaving, and selling they're own people. Isn't paying an illegal alien chump change, modern day slavery? Sure most slaves were brought to America against thier will, but you should blame the ruling African elite of that time for profiting off of they're own people.
I end this with a question: Shouldn't African Americans point at least some of the blame on the people who allowed, and profited on the slave trade?
The majority of slaves were from wars between tribes in Africa. The captured tribesmen were used as slave labor in the villages and were subsequently sold to Europeans to be brought over to the United States, Haiti, and other nations in exchange for goods.
Some Europeans did capture people themselves however it was rare due to the overall expense and danger with little to no reward. Since the majority of the captured tribes were used to mine gold diamonds, and other mineral ores there was likely not much argument getting traded as it was prob better to pick cotton in a field than to dig in a mine.
I'm glad that the days of this type of living is pretty much over with. Having the will over another man is simply not right
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I study history bro and the Black people from Africa were dying to come to the US.knowing full well that they would live a life as a slave but nevertheless that option seemed like Heaven to them in comparison to their life in Africa.
So people can complain all they want but the reality is white people treated their slaves better then African people treated their own kind (of course there are exceptions), otherwise Africans would not have wanted to come to the US even as slaves.
Your fucking retarded, so because someones ancestors back in 1620 were willing to be slave, that means in 1870 someone should be simply greatful.
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Fellows leave your crap pride out of this for crying out loud, this is a good thread with good debates, take your name calling else where. :)
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The majority of slaves were from wars between tribes in Africa. The captured tribesmen were used as slave labor in the villages and were subsequently sold to Europeans to be brought over to the United States, Haiti, and other nations in exchange for goods.
Some Europeans did capture people themselves however it was rare due to the overall expense and danger with little to no reward. Since the majority of the captured tribes were used to mine gold diamonds, and other mineral ores there was likely not much argument getting traded as it was prob better to pick cotton in a field than to dig in a mine.
I'm glad that the days of this type of living is pretty much over with. Having the will over another man is simply not right
exactly what I was talking about Vince. Thank you.
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Your fucking retarded, so because someones ancestors back in 1620 were willing to be slave, that means in 1870 someone should be simply greatful.
What you are starting with me now you fucken goof bitch, go fuck yourself, you know shit about history you dumb fuck.
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I happen to know what I am talking about, moron. You, on the other hand, do not.
It`s about knowing what your talking about, you engage in absurdist argument, that do in fact make sense theoretically, however the reality is there always always always off the fucking wall of true pragmitism. Your asocial nature always shows ZERO FUCKING REGARD for human behavior.
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grandpa use to say slaves are nothing more than hard working chocolate faces
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The majority of slaves were from wars between tribes in Africa. The captured tribesmen were used as slave labor in the villages and were subsequently sold to Europeans to be brought over to the United States, Haiti, and other nations in exchange for goods.
Some Europeans did capture people themselves however it was rare due to the overall expense and danger with little to no reward. Since the majority of the captured tribes were used to mine gold diamonds, and other mineral ores there was likely not much argument getting traded as it was prob better to pick cotton in a field than to dig in a mine.
I'm glad that the days of this type of living is pretty much over with. Having the will over another man is simply not right
Great post Vince, someone who knows what the fuck he is talking about.
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The majority of slaves were from wars between tribes in Africa. The captured tribesmen were used as slave labor in the villages and were subsequently sold to Europeans to be brought over to the United States, Haiti, and other nations in exchange for goods.
Some Europeans did capture people themselves however it was rare due to the overall expense and danger with little to no reward. Since the majority of the captured tribes were used to mine gold diamonds, and other mineral ores there was likely not much argument getting traded as it was prob better to pick cotton in a field than to dig in a mine.
I'm glad that the days of this type of living is pretty much over with. Having the will over another man is simply not right
Vince is right on here. Many of the slaves were the prisoners from wars between regional tribes. Once tribes found out they could profit from selling off the remnants of defeated tribes the practice grew. And this is just European/American slavery.
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Segregation was probably worse then slavery. Properly treated slaves who worked for food, clothes, and a shelter, are no different than migrant workers of today.
That`s a pretty big if statement.
If someone isn`t free to make there own decisions, some might be treated well.
Great logic. However it don`t make slavery someone right.
Migrant workers willingly choose to come here, that`s the major difference.
Slaves back than had no choice in the matter.
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Sure there were shitty slave masters. There are also tons of shitty landlords, and slumlords today. Is there really any difference(despite the obvious culture gap)?
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Vince is right on here. Many of the slaves were the prisoners from wars between regional tribes. Once tribes found out they could profit from selling off the remnants of defeated tribes the practice grew. And this is just European/American slavery.
Whats the fucking point
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RAtard the abolitionist. HAHAHAHA
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Sure there were shitty slave masters. There are also tons of shitty landlords, and slumlords today. Is there really any difference(despite the obvious culture gap)?
Shitty landlords, don`t go around raping their tenants.
And yeah actually tons of land owners today are very bad people.
Bad people always exist. Society is always at odds with them, the problem with slavery was that it was an institution that the united states government did little about.
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i once met a black man on the street.
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RAtard the abolitionist. HAHAHAHA
Hes only a few hundred years(give or take) to late. Must be the Ass Burgers. Hell be inventing the airplane in a couple of decades.
Whats the fucking point
I don't follow.
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Black and white people were both enslaved by the arabs.
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That`s a pretty big if statement.
If someone isn`t free to make there own decisions, some might be treated well.
Great logic. However it don`t make slavery someone right.
Migrant workers willingly choose to come here, that`s the major difference.
Slaves back than had no choice in the matter.
you are soooo fucken dumb seriously, stupid.
Listen the world was not reformed, these where the days of conquest you retard, half the world still had the laws of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" every nation had mandatory battlefield participation you dumbass and you are complaining about how wrong slavery was.
Slavery was the lesser of all the evils in those days, wake up you dumb fuck.
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Hes only a few hundred years(give or take) to late. Must be the Ass Burgers. Hell be inventing the airplane in a couple of decades.
I don't follow.
IF you know anything about history, slavery serfdom, subjigation, etc were the norm.
The semi premise is that if this was normal everywhere why does america get a bad rap.
Your theory was that it simply wasn`t that bad.
The reality is you people are simply shit at understanding history.
Things were really that bad in so many ways in the past that it wasn`t fit. Your teeth would fall out, your wifes girl was ruined after her first kid. You lost many kids in your life. You often died by 40. The list goes on.
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Ratard seems to be in the wrong century
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IF you know anything about history, slavery serfdom, subjigation, etc were the norm.
The semi premise is that if this was normal everywhere why does america get a bad rap.
Your theory was that it simply wasn`t that bad.
The reality is you people are simply shit at understanding history.
Things were really that bad in so many ways in the past that it wasn`t fit. Your teeth would fall out, your wifes girl was ruined after her first kid. You lost many kids in your life. You often died by 40. The list goes on.
I didn't put any theory forward. I commented on Vince's post.
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you are soooo fucken dumb seriously, stupid.
Listen the world was not reformed, these where the days of conquest you retard, half the world still had the laws of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" every nation had mandatory battlefield participation you dumbass and you are complaining about how wrong slavery was.
Slavery was the lesser of all the evils in those days, wake up you dumb fuck.
Here all you need to consider to know your completely full of shit.
In history minorities have always been treated like complete utter shit.
All you have to do is answer one key fucking question.
Would any(alright that means most for you adonis) fucking white folk back in 1800, choose to be a fucking slave(with random slave owners).
The answer is fucking no, unless the white folk were in dire straits.
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Interesting topic
Personally i dont think that we can justify the slavery in America soely on the basis of the slavery in Africa. Only because im not sure we the 2 definitions of slavery compare. I just dont know.
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Shitty landlords, don`t go around raping their tenants.
And yeah actually tons of land owners today are very bad people.
Bad people always exist. Society is always at odds with them, the problem with slavery was that it was an institution that the united states government did little about.
Sally Hemmings would not have called it rape.
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Hes only a few hundred years(give or take) to late. Must be the Ass Burgers. Hell be inventing the airplane in a couple of decades.
I don't follow.
ROFLMAO!!!!!
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Here all you need to consider to know your completely full of shit.
In history minorities have always been treated like complete utter shit.
All you have to do is answer one key fucking question.
Would any(alright that means most for you adonis) fucking white folk back in 1800, choose to be a fucking slave(with random slave owners).
The answer is fucking no, unless the white folk were in dire straits.
Many White Folk were slaves.
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Shitty landlords, don`t go around raping their tenants.
And yeah actually tons of land owners today are very bad people.
Bad people always exist. Society is always at odds with them, the problem with slavery was that it was an institution that the united states government did little about.
that is what I meant about the culture gap. Women were not treated as equals back then. If a man wanted to have sex with a woman, he would. "Rape" in its modern context, didnt exist.
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Interesting topic
Personally i dont think that we can justify the slavery in America soely on the basis of the slavery in Africa. Only because im not sure we the 2 definitions of slavery compare. I just dont know.
Slavery is always a bad fucking thing.
Just because bad thing happens in many places does not make bad thing not bad.
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Many White Folk were slaves.
In america
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Here all you need to consider to know your completely full of shit.
In history minorities have always been treated like complete utter shit.
All you have to do is answer one key fucking question.
Would any(alright that means most for you adonis) fucking white folk back in 1800, choose to be a fucking slave(with random slave owners).
The answer is fucking no, unless the white folk were in dire straits.
Any one from any nation on the planet would not want to be labbled as a slave in there own land. Sorry bro but beggars can't be choosers and like Vince's post said coming from Africa to America was a relief and the lesser of 2 evils. There was not much freedom for anyone back then slave or no slave. In many cases the slaves had it way better then many white families as the laws protected them, they had to be fed and sheltered properly and many white families were starving to death
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In america
Yep. In America.
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"John Brown's effort was peculiar. It was not a slave insurrection. It was an attempt by white men to get up a revolt among slaves, in which the slaves refused to participate."
Abraham Lincoln--February 27, 1860
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Any one from any nation on the planet would not want to be labbled as a slave in there own land. Sorry bro but beggars can't be choosers and like Vince's post said coming from Africa to America was a relief and the lesser of 2 evils. There was not much freedom for anyone back then slave or no slave. In many cases the slaves had it way better then many white families as the laws protected them, they had to be fed and sheltered properly and many white families were starving to death
So is your argument its better to be a slave in america than african.
Is that what your trying to say.
Thats like saying it`s better to rape a girl than to rape and kill her.
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"People at the North are disposed to be incredulous when they hear of white slaves at the South: and yet a little reflection would convince them not only that there must be such slaves under the present system, but that in process of time a large proportion of the slaves must be as white as their masters."
B William Jay, Miscellaneous Writings on Slavery (1853)
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"John Brown's effort was peculiar. It was not a slave insurrection. It was an attempt by white men to get up a revolt among slaves, in which the slaves refused to participate."
Abraham Lincoln--February 27, 1860
Yeah because they had no desire to get killed.
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(http://www.mirrorofrace.org/images/Goodmanimage.jpg)
On January 30, 1864, Harper’s Weekly printed an engraving of a photograph, entitled “Emancipated Slaves, White and Colored,” depicting three adults and five children who had been brought north from Louisiana by Colonel George H. Hanks and set free by Major General Nathaniel P. Banks. The group made a series of public appearances and were photographed as part of a campaign to raise funds for public schools for freed slaves, the first of which was established by Major General Banks in October 1863. The hope was, writes Kathleen Collins in “Portraits of Slave Children,” that “these enigmatic portraits of Caucasian-featured children” would galvanize “Northern benefactors to contribute to the future of a race to which these children found themselves arbitrarily confined” (207). The “white slaves” depicted in the engraving were described by the editor of Harper’s as being “as white, as intelligent, as docile, as most of our own children” (66).
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On January 30, 1864, Harper’s Weekly printed an engraving of a photograph, entitled “Emancipated Slaves, White and Colored,” depicting three adults and five children who had been brought north from Louisiana by Colonel George H. Hanks and set free by Major General Nathaniel P. Banks. The group made a series of public appearances and were photographed as part of a campaign to raise funds for public schools for freed slaves, the first of which was established by Major General Banks in October 1863. The hope was, writes Kathleen Collins in “Portraits of Slave Children,” that “these enigmatic portraits of Caucasian-featured children” would galvanize “Northern benefactors to contribute to the future of a race to which these children found themselves arbitrarily confined” (207). The “white slaves” depicted in the engraving were described by the editor of Harper’s as being “as white, as intelligent, as docile, as most of our own children” (66).
Congrats your country has white slaves.
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http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/nchist-antebellum/5431
A petition to free a white slave
Petition of Gurdon Deming to the North Carolina General Assembly, December 1800. Records of the General Assembly, Session Records, North Carolina Division of Archives and History.
To the Honorable the General Assembly of the State of North Carolina.
The Petition of Gurdon Deming a citizen of the county of Cumberland Humbly sheweth, that he is the owner of a Certain woman named Lucy and her child Laura Who were represented to be slaves and as such purchased by your petitioner –
That he has reason to believe and doth believe from diligent inquires made, that the Said Lucy ought not to be held in bondage. Your petitioner is aware that legal proof cannot be made of the fact, yet your petitioner is fully satisfied, that the Said Lucy is the daughter of a free white Woman – that to conceal this circumstance, so as to protect the reputation of the real mother, Lucy at her birth was placed in charge of a woman slave of one John Selph – Your petitioner learns from a number of the most respectable citizens of Fayetteville, that it was always the intention of Mr. Selph to manumit the Said Lucy at his death – but the death of Mr. Selph being sudden and his estate providing insolvent, his intentions were frustrated – Lucy was sold by his administrator and she was purchased at a mere nominal Sum by Several Gentlemen with the View to Carry out the wishes of Mr. Selph; Owing however to the insolvency of the person delegated to bid her off, occurring soon after, She was again Sold and has subsequently fallen with into the hands of your petitioner –
The History of Lucy is a romantic one, and if your petitioner could detail it without giving offense and bringing to light, what has long been forgotten and thereby do injury perhaps to persons now residents of a distant state, he is certain your honorable body would not hesitate a moment in assisting him in doing simple justice to this injured Girl, by authorizing her immediate Emancipation –
Lucy in colour is perfectly White, and cannot be distinguished from the purest of the race, her associations have been distinct from the coloured population, and her whole demeanor that of the whites to which class she evidently belongs.
In consideration of these things your petitioner humbly prays your honorable body to pass a law authorizing the Emancipation of the Said Lucy, and her child Laura, And as in duty bound, your petitioner will ever pray.
Gurdon Deming
Next: Black codes
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Slavery is always a bad fucking thing.
Just because bad thing happens in many places does not make bad thing not bad.
shows how much you know about history, fucken ZERO, slavery is brilliant under certain circumstances and very necessary.
The Persians lost to Alexander the great cause they abolished slavery. Many nations have been obliterated because of the lack of slave control and the strongest nations that emerged in the 20th centuries where the one that controlled their slavery properly. Slavery is very necessary and the nations that did not understand this have paid the price and some do not even exist today.
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Sure it was an aweful period in American history, but was it out of the ordinary? Civilizations have had slaves since the dawn of man (usually through the spoils of war). Even Africa actively participated in enslaving, and selling they're own people. Isn't paying an illegal alien chump change, modern day slavery? Sure most slaves were brought to America against thier will, but you should blame the ruling African elite of that time for profiting off of they're own people.
I end this with a question: Shouldn't African Americans point at least some of the blame on the people who allowed, and profited on the slave trade?
africans tribes sold other africans tribes to whites and muslims...muslims are actually the biggest slave owners ever, far more than the few european whiteys ever were, and it is still going on as we speak.
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While Whites Languished in Chains Blacks Were Free Men in Virginia Throughout the 17th Century.[48]
A Documentary History of Slavery in North America, Willie Lee Rose, p. 15; Free Negro in Virginia, John Henderson Russell, 1619‑1865, p. 233ff; Who Built America?, Bruce Levine, et al., Vol. 1, p. 52.
In 1717, it was proposed that a qualification for election to the South Carolina Assembly was to be, "the ownership of one white man." [49]
[49] Journals of the Commons House of Assembly of the Province of South Carolina: 1692‑1775, Vol. 5, pp. 294‑295.
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"When I was a boy, 'recalled Waters McIntosh, who had been a slave in Sumter, South Carolina, 'we used to sing, 'Rather be a N I G G E R than a poor White Man,' Even in slavery we used to sing that.' Mr. McIntosh's remarks reveal...that the poor whites of the South ranked below blacks in social standing...slaves felt unbridled contempt for lower‑class whites...Frederick Douglas opened his famous Life and Times with an account of Talbot County, Maryland, which he said housed a 'White population of the lowest order..
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shows how much you know about history, fucken ZERO, slavery is brilliant under certain circumstances and very necessary.
The Persians lost to Alexander the great cause they abolished slavery. Many nations have been obliterated because of the lack of slave control and the strongest nations that emerged in the 20th centuries where the one that controlled their slavery properly. Slavery is very necessary and the nations that did not understand this have paid the price and some do not even exist today.
When did I say slavery wasn`t useful, before the industrial revolution it was a focul point of society.
Rape is necessary if no girl wants to have sex with you.
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So is your argument its better to be a slave in america than african.
Is that what your trying to say.
Thats like saying it`s better to rape a girl than to rape and kill her.
Yes my argument is only fucken retards would not pick the lesser of 2 evils.
As far as your dumb example of rape, they are both equal cause once a girl has been rape she probably would rather die then live in many cases.
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The many (Negro) ex‑slaves who recalled the lot of the small farmers and Poor Whites as Hard and Even as Bad as Their Own knew what they were talking about...The slaves saw enough abject poverty, disease, and demoralization among the Poor Whites...to see their own condition under Old Massa's protection as perhaps not the worst of evils." [55]
[55] Rather Be a guy Than a Poor White Man, Eugene D. Genovese; Slave Perceptions of Southern Yeoman and Poor Whites, in Toward a New View of America, pp. 79, 81‑82, 84, 90‑91
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When did I say slavery wasn`t useful, before the industrial revolution it was a focul point of society.
Rape is necessary if no girl wants to have sex with you.
You said it was always evil and that is simply not true.
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You said it was always evil and that is simply not true.
It`s evil bulb, it`s not true that it`s always counter productive, but the whole fucking concept is based on evil.
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Rape is necessary if no girl wants to have sex with you.
Say what?
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Let's face it, America (settled by immigrants) were just continuing the only life they had ever known. Slavery was a way of life back then. It wasn't a scapegoat to get back at "whitey" today. You can argue that there are more bigots among ignorant, African Americans in the U.S., than any other today.
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This whole thread is fucking idiotic. You cannot justify the shit slave owners did to slaves.
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It`s evil bulb, it`s not true that it`s always counter productive, but the whole fucking concept is based on evil.
It is only evil from the perspective of a human being living in a reformed world. No historian on the planet agrees that it has always been considered evil.
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Let's face it, America (settled by immigrants) were just continuing the only life they had ever known. Slavery was a way of life back then. It wasn't a scapegoat to get back at "whitey" today. You can argue that there are more bigots among ignorant, African Americans in the U.S., than any other today.
That`s your whole fucking Point, it`s not fucking ignorance this is your whole fucking troll.
NEver in american history has a white guy ever wanted to be the average black guy. Until this happen SHUT THE FUCK UP.
It`s no brainer that being black has always sucked in the states.
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This whole thread is fucking idiotic. You cannot justify the shit slave owners did to slaves.
I don't think anyone is saying by the present day definition and standards of morallity that slavery was a good thing. But you must put slavery in its proper historical context to fully understand it.
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This whole thread is fucking idiotic. You cannot justify the shit slave owners did to slaves.
You are right when it comes to shitty slave owners. The truth, is that slaves in America (as a whole) were treated better than any other slaves in the history of mankind. Slavery in the U.S. was the last extension of the old world practices. I't might not have been right by todays standards, but it was considered the norm since the dawn of man, up until that point.
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It is only evil from the perspective of a human being living in a reformed world. No historian on the planet agrees that it has always been considered evil.
This is where the historians are a bunch of fucking retards.
historians are not directly anthropologists, sociologist etc.
The whole concept of history is that it is of written record. Since the majority were usually the only true writers of information, and these people were typically public figures it`s impossible to find true honesty in the written record.
The reason that more folk didn`t see it as evil back than wasn`t simply that they didn`t understand the concept of slavery, it was that they were so ignorant they weren`t able to understand the reality for black people outside of slavery.
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The point is, america was suppose to be some great democracy, where people are not subjigated to the same crap that was found in the old world.
People didn`t fight for freedom in america and not realize how bad the old world power structure was.
People simply used the age old nonsense of what can I do about it, whenever something bad happens.
You're so ignorant I doubt you'll find anyone willing to waste their time debating you.
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That`s your whole fucking Point, it`s not fucking ignorance this is your whole fucking troll.
NEver in american history has a white guy ever wanted to be the average black guy. Until this happen SHUT THE FUCK UP.
It`s no brainer that being black has always sucked in the states.
actually it is way better to be black then white right now in the US cause everybody feels they have to walk on egg shells and cater to the black guy so he does not get labled a racist
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I don't think anyone is saying by the present day definition and standards of morallity that slavery was a good thing. But you must put slavery in its proper historical context to fully understand it.
Exactly. These dumb fucks can't comprehend that.
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That`s your whole fucking Point, it`s not fucking ignorance this is your whole fucking troll.
NEver in american history has a white guy ever wanted to be the average black guy. Until this happen SHUT THE FUCK UP.
It`s no brainer that being black has always sucked in the states.
You don't live in the U.S., so you don't have an inside opinion. Bitch.
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Exactly. These dumb fucks can't comprehend that.
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Newsflash, people of lower intelligence are manipulated (enslaved?) daily by people of superior intelligence, whatever their skin color. In the end wether your master is benevolent or malvolent is only a matter of faith.
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Newsflash, people of lower intelligence are manipulated (enslaved?) daily by people of superior intelligence, whatever their skin color.
I'm glad your coming around on the whole religion thing.
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actually it is way better to be black then white right now in the US cause everybody feels they have to walk on egg shells and cater to the black guy so he does not get labled a racist
Yes because folk feel they gotta walk on egg shells, that somehow makes up for the disparity in wealth, the culture cluster fuck of black people etc.
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Newsflash, people of lower intelligence are manipulated (enslaved?) daily by people of superior intelligence, whatever their skin color.
Different type of slavery then what we are talking about but I suppose your right.
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I'm glad your coming around on the whole religion thing.
You need to read a lot more books before pretending to have a clue about what you re talking about.
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RAtard the abolitionist. HAHAHAHA
hahahahahahah!!!
fuckin guy thinks he's John Brown.
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Yes because folk feel they gotta walk on egg shells, that somehow makes up for the disparity in wealth, the culture cluster fuck of black people etc.
Blacks get treated like royalty nowadays, they have it the best out of everyone bro, get with it.
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Newsflash, people of lower intelligence are manipulated (enslaved?) daily by people of superior intelligence, whatever their skin color.
Well aware of that, I don`t think we live in some wonderful time in history, just a bit better than what we had in the past.
I`m autistic remember I`m well aware of how people are manipulated by society.
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Well aware of that, I don`t think we live in some wonderful time in history, just a bit better than what we had in the past.
I`m autistic remember I`m well aware of how people are manipulated by society.
Come down off that cross.
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Blacks get treated like royalty nowadays, they have it the best out of everyone bro, get with it.
Lol who here if they owned there own business would higher a black dude.
Seriously I ain`t the least bit racist, but I wouldn`t be doing it. You think all these folks talking about PC shit would.
The ground is far from equal.
The fact that most of the blacks here are staying out of this thread is all the proof you need.
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Yes because folk feel they gotta walk on egg shells, that somehow makes up for the disparity in wealth, the culture cluster fuck of black people etc.
No, that is the beauty of America. The people who have skill, drive, or become an important fabric of society become wealthy. It does not matter the skin color.
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Your leaving out the part where blacks couldn`t do shit when free. Slavery wasn`t a one dimensional concept where it was simply a matter of having chains.
It was about the rape of an entire group of people.
Preach on "rhythm nation" ::)
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Different type of slavery then what we are talking about but I suppose your right.
It's called business. ;)
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It is only evil from the perspective of a human being living in a reformed world. No historian on the planet agrees that it has always been considered evil.
This
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It`s evil bulb, it`s not true that it`s always counter productive, but the whole fucking concept is based on evil.
Its a concept based off of Cheap Labor.
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It is only evil from the perspective of a human being living in a reformed world. No historian on the planet agrees that it has always been considered evil.
You'd also be hard pressed to find one who will tell you that forcing people into service on pain of misery, torture, or death is especially virtuous.
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Rape is necessary if no girl wants to have sex with you.
You like your rape a little more one on one.
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Lol who here if they owned there own business would higher a black dude.
Seriously I ain`t the least bit racist, but I wouldn`t be doing it. You think all these folks talking about PC shit would.
The ground is far from equal.
The fact that most of the blacks here are staying out of this thread is all the proof you need.
I own my own business and any black guy that asks me for a job is hired instantly, no ands, ifs, or buts, nada "your hired on spot" and the white dude has to have an interview and believe me brother. Many bussiness owners feel this way.
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I own my own business and any black guy that asks me for a job is hired instantly, no ands, ifs, or buts, nada "your hired on spot" and the white dude has to have an interview and believe me brother. Many bussiness owners feel this way.
Is this because you got so few black folk you gotta make quota or for some other reason ???
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Well aware of that, I don`t think we live in some wonderful time in history, just a bit better than what we had in the past.
I`m autistic remember I`m well aware of how people are manipulated by society.
Holy shit!!!! hahahahahahahhahha!!!!
you're not autistic, you're just a fucking idiot!!! hahahhahaha!!!
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You'd also be hard pressed to find one who will tell you that forcing people into service on pain of misery, torture, or death is especially virtuous.
Not all service was founded upon those evils at all. Perhaps you should read about Robert E. Lee and his "slaves".
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You'd also be hard pressed to find one who will tell you that forcing people into service on pain of misery, torture, or death is especially virtuous.
I agree, but up until the 19th century, the world operated as it had since the dawn of man. The strongest survived, and to the victor, the spoils (which included slaves).
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Is this because you got so few black folk you gotta make quota or for some other reason ???
Because if I don't hire "the black guy" people will cry races and that is the last thing I want to be labled as, I am guarding my rep with my life especially my business
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Not all service was founded upon those evils at all.
No and not all rape is bloody and grouse some, it`s actually a motivation for some rapist, to rape until they find a chick that is ok with it.
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I own my own business and any black guy that asks me for a job is hired instantly, no ands, ifs, or buts, nada "your hired on spot" and the white dude has to have an interview and believe me brother. Many bussiness owners feel this way.
You have to, try rejecting a low offer on real estate submitted by black people. That's a law suit you won't win.
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No and not all rape is bloody and grouse some, it`s actually a motivation for some rapist, to rape until they find a chick that is ok with it.
I think it is time for your medication.
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Because if I don't hire "the black guy" people will cry races and that is the last thing I want to be labled as, I am guarding my rep with my life especially my business
So you must have an all black staff.
Your not admitting the playing field ain`t fuck your admitting that the only reason you do any attempt to make it level is because your forced too.
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No and not all rape is bloody and grouse some, it`s actually a motivation for some rapist, to rape until they find a chick that is ok with it.
did someone put your fucking brain in a blender? assburgers or not you say some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard
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did someone put your fucking brain in a blender? assburgers or not you say some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard
No shit Groink. Someone needs to flag his ass for the next potential killing spree.
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did someone put your fucking brain in a blender? assburgers or not you say some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard
Slavery is best comparable to rape.
As its about the lack of freedom or choice being forced about someone.
Just because not on rapes are equal does not mean one should be advocating for good rapes.
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So you must have an all black staff.
Your not admitting the playing field ain`t fuck your admitting that the only reason you do any attempt to make it level is because your forced too.
No, actually I have all white staff, black guys usually don't apply for roofing jobs so when they do I have no choice I have to hire him. Put it this way, I have 6 employees and they are all white and some black guy comes and applies and I say no, that will not look good at all because people like you are watching always pointing fingers.
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did someone put your fucking brain in a blender? assburgers or not you say some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard
"Rape is necessary if no girl wants to have sex with you."
That is his opinion on rape. In his mind it can be quite tender and beautiful
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Here all you need to consider to know your completely full of shit.
In history minorities have always been treated like complete utter shit.
All you have to do is answer one key fucking question.
Would any(alright that means most for you adonis) fucking white folk back in 1800, choose to be a fucking slave(with random slave owners).
The answer is fucking no, unless the white folk were in dire straits.
In the Middle Ages...5th to 15th century, slavery was quite common in Europe in an almost similar essential manner as slavery in the feudalist system. In "serfdom", A noble or a Lord of a manor would probate a parcel of land, provide protection for a peasant to live on in exchange for working in his lands, forest, mines, military and territory. While serfs could not be sold and bought, if another noble or baron bought their land, the serfs would be transferred to his domain.
This system was in place in the world for thousands of years . However, with the Industrial Revolution, slaves were pretty much obsolete....think of the fable "John Henry" which pretty much explains the demise of the institution. Simply put, machines are cheaper and slavery would have ended in the South and everywhere else without the Civil War
And if you think the Civil War was about slavery, then you're a complete fool. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was nothing more than a tactical move to win the battle between the South by disrupting production and having an fresh influx of soldiers because the Union was being beaten due to the South having a better field of generals commanding their forces. Think about it for a minute....if Lincoln really cared about blacks...would he have given the first black soldiers halberds (a fucking spear) as weapons, provided no clothing shoes, or footwear, paid them 3 dollars less than white Union soldiers plus make them pay 5 bucks a month out of that 10 dollar stipend for that inadaquate equipment and shitty equipment, and force them to do manual labor like cutting down forest and hauling logs around like oxen??.....oh yea, lets also made to burn down and loot and plunder Southern towns like Darlington, SC and steal all of their possessions, crops, and bales of cotton to be sent back to the North to be sold by the wealthy elites for pure profit....the majority of with were from farms that DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANY FUCKING SLAVES TO BEGIN WITH!!! ::)
And once the Civil War ended what happened to the black man despite numerous promises of freedom, civil rights, 40 acres and a mule???? Grandfather clauses, poll taxes, segregation,....no fucking land, no fucking mule...not even a god damn donkey. We helped turned the tide of the Union incompetence on the battlefield and we got the finger
People shouldn't believe what they are taught in schools because its generally a one sided prejudicial argument the victors always make the projected history which is almost always slighted towards those who lost. You should see the school textbooks today and what they say about Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom....its a fucking joke.
I was smart enough to go to the library and do fact checks on the garbage that these schools shovel out to children as well as corresponded with historical societies who had unabridged and unbiased information. I suggest everyone to not fall for the banana in the tailpipe gag of believing what they want you to hear and become your own historian.....don't become one of the many sheep who have been brainwashed to rinse and repeat what our government tells you
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"Rape is necessary if no girl wants to have sex with you."
That is his opinion on rape. In his mind it can be quite tender and beautiful
It was a joke you idiot. To someone saying slavery was necessary if there is a shortage of workers.
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No, actually I have all white staff, black guys usually don't apply for roofing jobs so when they do I have no choice I have to hire him. Put it this way, I have 6 employees and they are all white and some black guy comes and applies and I say no, that will not look good at all because people like you are watching always pointing fingers.
And this is in Canada correct? We have a huge problem with "quotas" in America. I am a fan of the most qualified for the position.
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It was a joke you idiot. To someone saying slavery was necessary if there is a shortage of workers.
Why would you make a joke about rape? That is disgusting.
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No, actually I have all white staff, black guys usually don't apply for roofing jobs so when they do I have no choice I have to hire him. Put it this way, I have 6 employees and they are all white and some black guy comes and applies and I say no, that will not look good at all because people like you are watching always pointing fingers.
Do you do Terne Metal Roofs?
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And this is in Canada correct? We have a huge problem with "quotas" in America. I am a fan of the most qualified for the position.
That's what I am saying black's nowadays get favored big time, but in their defence they are usually good workers from what I have seen anyway.
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No, actually I have all white staff, black guys usually don't apply for roofing jobs so when they do I have no choice I have to hire him. Put it this way, I have 6 employees and they are all white and some black guy comes and applies and I say no, that will not look good at all because people like you are watching always pointing fingers.
Alright so you admit that you have no black employee`s so this hypothetical situation does not effect you.
I`m not saying blacks deserve everything, for me the whole racial line does not exist. There is no such thing as white guilt in the sense, that human natures allows for evil, it has nothing to do with race.
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Do you do Terne Metal Roofs?
No, I do Shingles, cedar, slate and flat roofs. I hate working with metal so when I quote someone for it, I usually quote high so I don't get it.
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That's what I am saying black's nowadays get favored big time, but in their defence they are usually good workers from what I have seen anyway.
If your in canada you don`t mean just blacks, you can`t compare the situation in the states to here. If your black brown asian native etc your kinda grouped together.
I`m gonna soon get a status card, so if you wanna talk about the ratardness in canada open another thread.
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In the Middle Ages...5th to 15th century, slavery was quite common in Europe in an almost similar essential manner as slavery in the feudalist system. In "serfdom", A noble or a Lord of a manor would probate a parcel of land, provide protection for a peasant to live on in exchange for working in his lands, forest, mines, military and territory. While serfs could not be sold and bought, if another noble or baron bought their land, the serfs would be transferred to his domain.
This system was in place in the world for thousands of years . However, with the Industrial Revolution, slaves were pretty much obsolete....think of the fable "John Henry" which pretty much explains the demise of the institution. Simply put, machines are cheaper and slavery would have ended in the South and everywhere else without the Civil War
And if you think the Civil War was about slavery, then you're a complete fool. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was nothing more than a tactical move to win the battle between the South by disrupting production and having an fresh influx of soldiers because the Union was being beaten due to the South having a better field of generals commanding their forces. Think about it for a minute....if Lincoln really cared about blacks...would he have given the first black soldiers halberds (a fucking spear) as weapons, provided no clothing shoes, or footwear, paid them 3 dollars less than white Union soldiers plus make them pay 5 bucks a month out of that 10 dollar stipend for that inadaquate equipment and shitty equipment, and force them to do manual labor like cutting down forest and hauling logs around like oxen??.....oh yea, lets also made to burn down and loot and plunder Southern towns like Darlington, SC and steal all of their possessions, crops, and bales of cotton to be sent back to the North to be sold by the wealthy elites for pure profit....the majority of with were from farms that DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANY FUCKING SLAVES TO BEGIN WITH!!! ::)
And once the Civil War ended what happened to the black man despite numerous promises of freedom, civil rights, 40 acres and a mule???? Grandfather clauses, poll taxes, segregation,....no fucking land, no fucking mule...not even a god damn donkey. We helped turned the tide of the Union incompetence on the battlefield and we got the finger
People shouldn't believe what they are taught in schools because its generally a one sided prejudicial argument the victors always make the projected history which is almost always slighted towards those who lost. You should see the school textbooks today and what they say about Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom....its a fucking joke.
I was smart enough to go to the library and do fact checks on the garbage that these schools shovel out to children as well as corresponded with historical societies who had unabridged and unbiased information. I suggest everyone to not fall for the banana in the tailpipe gag of believing what they want you to hear and become your own historian.....don't become one of the many sheep who have been brainwashed to rinse and repeat what our government tells you
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This should be in a textbook. Solid post my friend, solid indeed.
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Alright so you admit that you have no black employee`s so this hypothetical situation does not effect you.
I`m not saying blacks deserve everything, for me the whole racial line does not exist. There is no such thing as white guilt in the sense, that human natures allows for evil, it has nothing to do with race.
Bingo, now that I can agree with, the history of mankind for every race has been barbarous, torturous and just pure evil
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If your in canada you don`t mean just blacks, you can`t compare the situation in the states to here. If your black brown asian native etc your kinda grouped together.
I`m gonna soon get a status card, so if you wanna talk about the ratardness in canada open another thread.
You live in Canada?
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You live in Canada?
St john`s. Getting mikmaq status pretty soon suppodely kinda fucking retarded when you think about it.
I`m guessing you live halifax
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In the Middle Ages...5th to 15th century, slavery was quite common in Europe in an almost similar essential manner as slavery in the feudalist system. In "serfdom", A noble or a Lord of a manor would probate a parcel of land, provide protection for a peasant to live on in exchange for working in his lands, forest, mines, military and territory. While serfs could not be sold and bought, if another noble or baron bought their land, the serfs would be transferred to his domain.
This system was in place in the world for thousands of years . However, with the Industrial Revolution, slaves were pretty much obsolete....think of the fable "John Henry" which pretty much explains the demise of the institution. Simply put, machines are cheaper and slavery would have ended in the South and everywhere else without the Civil War
And if you think the Civil War was about slavery, then you're a complete fool. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was nothing more than a tactical move to win the battle between the South by disrupting production and having an fresh influx of soldiers because the Union was being beaten due to the South having a better field of generals commanding their forces. Think about it for a minute....if Lincoln really cared about blacks...would he have given the first black soldiers halberds (a fucking spear) as weapons, provided no clothing shoes, or footwear, paid them 3 dollars less than white Union soldiers plus make them pay 5 bucks a month out of that 10 dollar stipend for that inadaquate equipment and shitty equipment, and force them to do manual labor like cutting down forest and hauling logs around like oxen??.....oh yea, lets also made to burn down and loot and plunder Southern towns like Darlington, SC and steal all of their possessions, crops, and bales of cotton to be sent back to the North to be sold by the wealthy elites for pure profit....the majority of with were from farms that DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANY FUCKING SLAVES TO BEGIN WITH!!! ::)
And once the Civil War ended what happened to the black man despite numerous promises of freedom, civil rights, 40 acres and a mule???? Grandfather clauses, poll taxes, segregation,....no fucking land, no fucking mule...not even a god damn donkey. We helped turned the tide of the Union incompetence on the battlefield and we got the finger
People shouldn't believe what they are taught in schools because its generally a one sided prejudicial argument the victors always make the projected history which is almost always slighted towards those who lost. You should see the school textbooks today and what they say about Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom....its a fucking joke.
I was smart enough to go to the library and do fact checks on the garbage that these schools shovel out to children as well as corresponded with historical societies who had unabridged and unbiased information. I suggest everyone to not fall for the banana in the tailpipe gag of believing what they want you to hear and become your own historian.....don't become one of the many sheep who have been brainwashed to rinse and repeat what our government tells you
tldr: War is about money.
You're welcome, Dred.
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Darlington, South Carolina during The Civil War
No battles during the Civil War occurred in Darlington. One of Sherman's lieutenants, a former architect, was sent to burn down part of Darlington. When he arrived and saw a house that he had designed, he left the house and the rest of the town standing. The Federal troops burned down the depot, cotton platforms and railroad trestles in 1865. During this time, St. John's Academy was used as a hospital. Federal troops also did some foraging. In 1865, Federal troops passed through Darlington and hanged a former slave on the Public Square for insurrection. After the war, the town was occupied by troops, which were not withdrawn until 1871. By 1865, Darlington was the headquarters for the Third Separate Brigade of the Military District of Eastern South Carolina and the Freedman's Bureau. In 1866, during the occupation, the worst fire to ever hit Darlington burned down the court house and the jail. It was rumored that drunken Federal soldiers were to blame. It is to be noted that Evander M. Law, a confederate general, was born in Darlington.
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Leave it to a black man ( Vince Goodrum) to come up with some of the most definative info, that proves my thread. Kudos Vince.
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Leave it to a black man ( Vince Goodrum) to come up with some of the most definative info, that proves my thread. Kudos Vince.
If everything is says wasn`t common knowledge to you coming into this thread maybe you shouldn`t of started it.
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Good post, Vince. I don't know about in the south but when I studied slavery the professor said pretty much what Vince did.
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I hate when people think "Union Good", "Confederate Bad".
Look what they did to Darlington, SC. I don`t recall any Confederates burning down Cities in the North.
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St john`s. Getting mikmaq status pretty soon suppodely kinda fucking retarded when you think about it.
I`m guessing you live halifax
South western Ontario
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I hate when people think "Union Good", "Confederate Bad".
Look what they did to Darlington, SC. I don`t recall any Confederates burning down Cities in the North.
Ultimate sidetrack who in this thread is making that argument. Slavery didn`t pragmatically end until 1960`s.
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I hate when people think "Union Good", "Confederate Bad".
Look what they did to Darlington, SC. I don`t recall any Confederates burning down Cities in the North.
I think another civil war is in Americas future Adonis. Maybe if Obama tries to ammend the constitution.
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I don`t recall any Confederates burning down Cities in the North.
Gem noted.
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I think another civil war is in Americas future Adonis. Maybe if Obama tries to ammend the constitution.
Not sure if you are serious or not but America will never have a civil war, the chances of that is a trillion to 1
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Not sure if you are serious or not but America will never have a civil war, the chances of that is a trillion to 1
Adonis would probably know more then I would on this subject, but I thonk a fee U.S. states are currently petitioning to become independent from the U.S.
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Adonis would probably know more then I would on this subject, but I thonk a fee U.S. states are currently petitioning to become independent from the U.S.
Yes but it will remain political only.
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Yes but it will remain political only.
politics always lead to war.
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politics always lead to war.
No not in this case, it absolutely impossible. This era has to many options and all decisions are based on Public opinion. Civil war is the result of a lack of options combined with few people in control, nowadays the control is shared by too many and there are a billion options, it is a different world today.
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I hate when people think "Union Good", "Confederate Bad".
Look what they did to Darlington, SC. I don`t recall any Confederates burning down Cities in the North.
I have to correct you on that one...Chambersburg, PA was burned down by a Confederate Army and raided 3 times during the Civil War but that was about it.
But a lot of Union Generals got very wealthy ordering black soldiers to loot and plunder these areas...a lot of which is not documented because many of the areas in the South at the time were unincorporated and spread out....exploiting the black man even worse than their previous slave owners.
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Slavery is the key tool of the devil.
It's so fucking sad to see the ideas of freedom and democracy be casually tossed aside by idiots.
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By the way, for some of you that are so hot for "gun control", please recall some of the idiotic shit from this thread, and know that there are some very bad ideas out there that may require you to protect yourself one day.
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I have to correct you on that one...Chambersburg, PA was burned down by a Confederate Army and raided 3 times during the Civil War but that was about it.
But a lot of Union Generals got very wealthy ordering black soldiers to loot and plunder these areas...a lot of which is not documented because many of the areas in the South at the time were unincorporated and spread out....exploiting the black man even worse than their previous slave owners.
McCausland`s raid should have never happened, but it was inevitable due to the strategic value of the Chambersburg.
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Slavery is the key tool of the devil.
It's so fucking sad to see the ideas of freedom and democracy be casually tossed aside by idiots.
Only ABSOLUTE SLAVERY in my opinion. The majority of slaves throughout time actually choose to be slaves for protection, housing, food, and water and to be taken care of.....lets not forget about indentured servants who became slaves for a short period of time for passage and travel to the United States because there were no jobs or opportunities in Europe...afterwards they were able to leave and start their own farms.
However a person who was born into slavery or who never signed or made a verbal contract without any opportunity given to him to become a free man is where slavery in my opinion was wrong and generally situations like that always ended up backfiring...from the Egyptians with the Jews to incidents such as the Nat Turner Rebellion. In forced slavery, you're always taking a huge risk because at anytime, your throat could be slashed while you were sleeping.
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Also, it was retaliation for the destruction of private property by Union Army Major General David Hunter in the Shenandoah Valley whereas Sherman was more or less indiscriminate.
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Also, it was retaliation for the destruction of private property by Union Army Major General David Hunter in the Shenandoah Valley.
Yes, along with the Virginia Military Institute.....very disturbing that seasoned troops were attacking students.
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Only ABSOLUTE SLAVERY in my opinion. The majority of slaves throughout time actually choose to be slaves for protection, housing, food, and water and to be taken care of.....lets not forget about indentured servants who became slaves for a short period of time for passage and travel to the United States because there were no jobs or opportunities in Europe...afterwards they were able to leave and start their own farms.
However a person who was born into slavery or who never signed or made a verbal contract without any opportunity given to him to become a free man is where slavery in my opinion was wrong and generally situations like that always ended up backfiring...from the Egyptians with the Jews to incidents such as the Nat Turner Rebellion. In forced slavery, you're always taking a huge risk because at anytime, your throat could be slashed while you were sleeping.
The majority of slaves throughout time were born into it, and never stood a chance.
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Without slavery would there be so many blacks making millions of dollars playing sports?
If it wasn't for slavery in the US shows like The First 48 and Cops would run out of violent crime footage very quickly.
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Sure it was an aweful period in American history, but was it out of the ordinary? Civilizations have had slaves since the dawn of man (usually through the spoils of war). Even Africa actively participated in enslaving, and selling they're own people. Isn't paying an illegal alien chump change, modern day slavery? Sure most slaves were brought to America against thier will, but you should blame the ruling African elite of that time for profiting off of they're own people.
I end this with a question: Shouldn't African Americans point at least some of the blame on the people who allowed, and profited on the slave trade?
American africans should return to africa and make it strong with all they do.
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Sure it was an aweful period in African history, but was it out of the ordinary? Civilizations have had slaves since the dawn of man (usually through the spoils of war). Even America actively participated in enslaving, and selling they're own people. Isn't paying an illegal alien chump change, modern day slavery? Sure most slaves were brought to Africa against thier will, but you should blame the ruling American elite of that time for profiting off of they're own people.
I end this with a question: Shouldn't Americans Africans point at least some of the blame on the people who allowed, and profited on the slave trade?
try it out for self reflective size
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Blame the ruling african class. Just like I said.