Author Topic: Should we initiate a no-fly zone in Libya? (Read 8672 times)

240 is Back · « **on:** March 07, 2011, 05:16:51 AM »

Mccain thinks so. Says we should bomb airfields and shoot down planes - killing a whole lotta Libyans - which is an act of war upon a nation.

Should we enter a 3rd war? Is mccain serious, or just trying to gain some cred with that repub base he caters to sometime?

Don't wait for Rush to tell you how to feel on the issue - make your position known first. Do you support the US (alone, as other euro countries already said it's not an option) using military force to create a no-fly zone in Libya?

whork25 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:18:58 AM »

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:21:50 AM »

Kerry is calling for attacking them.

whork25 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:22:51 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 07, 2011, 05:21:50 AM

Kerry is calling for attacking them.

He asked you not Kerry

240 is Back · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:23:27 AM »

I'll say "NO".

We can't afford a war. Toss out the morals, and the best thing we can do it let Kadaffi win. Let him crush the rebels. Stability will return. Even if he's an evil dude, when he's in place, gas prices are lower. He falls, and the resulting chaos raises US gas prices.

Plus you run the risk of uniting he and his people. An outside force - specially from the US? imagine how fast the left/right factions in the US would unite if Chinese tanks started lining up on our border! Rush Limbaugh and Rachel maddow would be quite united in their dislike of greedy chinese ready to pilfer our resources and do some killing.

My vote is to stay the hell out of it. let the conflict happen, let them work it out, and buy oil from whoever wins. We can't afford another war.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:23:46 AM »

Funny how you leftists are all hawks now.

240 is Back · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:24:56 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 07, 2011, 05:21:50 AM

Kerry is calling for attacking them.

What is YOUR position, 333386?

Do you feel we should enter a 3rd war because some guy in Libya is treating his people badly? Would you enlist and risk getting a leg blown off so that some rebel in libya (who probably hates you) doesn't have his rights violated by a dictator (who also hates you)?

whork25 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:26:06 AM »

No invasion only some air force keeping Gaddafis air force on the ground

Should be easy considering

240 is Back · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:27:55 AM »

33,

It's kinda cute that you posted repeatedly but won't take a position.

Are you waiting for Beck and Rush to talk about it, so you don't end up on the wrong side of the issue tomorrow when we discuss it? lol...

whork25 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:31:40 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 07, 2011, 05:27:55 AM

33,

It's kinda cute that you posted repeatedly but won't take a position.

Are you waiting for Beck and Rush to talk about it, so you don't end up on the wrong side of the issue tomorrow when we discuss it? lol...

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #10 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:31:46 AM »

I think we should stay out of it.

240 is Back · « **Reply #11 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:42:45 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 07, 2011, 05:31:46 AM

I think we should stay out of it.

good position. we are in agreement.

No fly zone is an act of war. China decides to shoot down our planes and blow up runways, yes, guess what, we're at war.

Let the bad guy control his bad people, and keep oil prices low. I'ts cold and cruel, but it's their national business to decide.

Fury · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2011, 05:59:44 AM »

Leftists argue that Repubs are hawks and that the USA shouldn't play world police. Leftists now want the USA to get militarily involved in a civil war. Can't write this stuff. Both sides blow and there are even reports of AQ fighting alongside the rebels. Might as well let them kill each other. It's not our job to make sure conflicts are fair and balanced.

I like how you point out that McCain wants to use military force while ignoring that Kerry does as well, 240. Cool spin!

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2011, 07:30:38 AM »

Qaddafi Warns France: If I Go Down, You Will Be Flooded With "Millions Of Blacks"
TBI ^ | 3-7-2011 | Joe Weisenthal

Qaddafi Warns France: If I Go Down, You Will Be Flooded With "Millions Of Blacks"

Joe Weisenthal
Mar. 7, 2011, 6:32 AM

Qaddafi's latest gambit: Convince the European public that they really want him to stick around, with all the stability that entails.

He spoke today to TV network France 24.

This quote (via Reuters) certainly stands out: "There are millions of blacks who could come to the Mediterranean to cross to France and Italy, and Libya plays a role in security in the Mediterranean."

Bear in mind that after the fall of Tunisia's Ben Ali, Italy has seen a wave of immigrants that continue today.

See more here at France 24.

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240 is Back · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2011, 07:40:50 AM »

Quote from: BerzerkFury on March 07, 2011, 05:59:44 AM

Leftists argue that Repubs are hawks and that the USA shouldn't play world police. Leftists now want the USA to get militarily involved in a civil war.

mccain is a LEFTIST?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #15 on:** March 07, 2011, 07:59:32 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 07, 2011, 07:40:50 AM

mccain is a LEFTIST?

Why did you omit Kerry calling for bombing runs?

240 is Back · « **Reply #16 on:** March 07, 2011, 08:08:40 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 07, 2011, 07:59:32 AM

Why did you omit Kerry calling for bombing runs?

everyone knows kerry is a POS leftist d-bag who likes to stick his big nose in every country's affairs.

I didn't know he called for it. this morning i heard mccain's calls for it as i crapped and shaved, and so i decided to post that.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #17 on:** March 07, 2011, 08:11:24 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 07, 2011, 08:08:40 AM

everyone knows kerry is a POS leftist d-bag who likes to stick his big nose in every country's affairs.

I didn't know he called for it. this morning i heard mccain's calls for it as i crapped and shaved, and so i decided to post that.

That's because you CHOOSE to hear what you want to.

240 is Back · « **Reply #18 on:** March 07, 2011, 08:53:43 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 07, 2011, 08:11:24 AM

That's because you CHOOSE to hear what you want to.

hey, when a man is crapping, there is a lot of noise going on.

why would 'which politician supports it' be any influence upon what YOU thought? Mccain is an expert in military and foreign relations. To disagree with him, regardless of party, is pretty big.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #19 on:** March 07, 2011, 08:57:43 AM »

At this point - is all about bailing Obama out of another WWTTFF blunder.

________________________ ________________________ ____________________

MICHAEL GOODWIN: Chaos In Libya Extends All the Way to the White House
By Michael Goodwin

Published March 07, 2011 | New York Post

The Libyan nutjob, Daffy Qaddafi, has big problems, but America is not among them. At least not until the Obama administration gets its act together to speak with one voice.

Continuing the mixed-message habit it showed in Egypt, the White House appears to be locked in an internal struggle about responding to the Arab uprisings. Details will make a good history class some day, but for now, the result is a mess.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says a no-fly zone is on the table. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates promptly shoots it down, telling Congress there are logistical problems, and it would mean an attack on Libyan air-defense systems. President Obama then suggests no-fly remains an option. Got that?

It's tempting to hope the goal is to keep Qaddafi off guard, but that's too generous. As a friend says, always reach first for the obvious answer in a puzzle. If you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.

In this case, think incompetence, not clever strategy. Obama sent an ambassador to Egypt to tell Hosni Mubarak to begin a smooth exit transition. When the ambassador, Frank Wisner, later said something similar in public, the White House rebuked him. It seems Obama, without telling Wisner or Clinton, had changed the policy and wanted Mubarak out.

Power is centralized in Obama's office or, more accurately, in Obama. For all his talk about partnership, he's big on unilateral action, as long as he's the unit. Sources tell me that on matters ranging from the economy to the Mideast, Obama doesn't listen to anyone.

"He has his own worldview," one Dem said. Another said, "He's very stubborn."

Those are not compliments. And as Libya shows, neither are they virtues.

Michael Goodwin is a New York Post columnist and Fox News contributor. To continue reading his column on deficits and other topics, click here.

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Option D · « **Reply #20 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:07:05 AM »

whatever it is.. clearly obama did it and is soley to blame.

Option D · « **Reply #21 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:08:18 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 07, 2011, 08:11:24 AM

That's because you CHOOSE to hear what you want to.

like obama calling swat from his cell right?

whats up with those Russian nuke secrets..

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #22 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:09:59 AM »

Quote from: Option D on March 07, 2011, 09:07:05 AM

whatever it is.. clearly obama did it and is soley to blame.

He is again making dicey situations far worse. Even his buddy Z. Briezienski said this morning Obama completey fucked this up.

Option D · « **Reply #23 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:11:39 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 07, 2011, 09:09:59 AM

He is again making dicey situations far worse. Even his buddy Z. Briezienski said this morning Obama completey fucked this up.

oh i already know.. i stubbed my toe.. God Damn Obama

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #24 on:** March 07, 2011, 09:15:43 AM »

Quote from: Option D on March 07, 2011, 09:11:39 AM

oh i already know.. i stubbed my toe.. God Damn Obama

When Obama has lost even his buddy ZB on this, even you and 240 can't polish that turd any more.