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I'm "left" I suppose. I'm for pro choice, I'm for decriminalization of drugs, I'm for keeping religion out of legislation, I'm for fiscal responsibility, I'm for tougher sentences on violent crimes, less on non violent.
I own guns, have no interest in confiscating yours, but I'm open to dialogue on what we can do if anything, on reducing mass shootings. Only morons would be against that
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I'm "left" I suppose. I'm for pro choice, I'm for decriminalization of drugs, I'm for keeping religion out of legislation, I'm for fiscal responsibility, I'm for tougher sentences on violent crimes, less on non violent.
I own guns, have no interest in confiscating yours, but I'm open to dialogue on what we can do if anything, on reducing mass shootings. Only morons would be against that
Except for the tougher sentences on violent crimes. You're not all there on the other issues. You can call yourself a moron on that if you want.
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Except for the tougher sentences on violent crimes. You're not all there on the other issues. You can call yourself a moron on that if you want.
yeah, fiscal responsibility is ridiculous..love the irony in your post ;D
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yeah, fiscal responsibility is ridiculous..love the irony in your post ;D
I was actually more focusing on the pro-choice and decriminalization of drugs.
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I was actually more focusing on the pro-choice and decriminalization of drugs.
Why do you want to tell responsible people what to do in their personal life?
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They are too immersed in their own bullshit to realize there are 49 other states besides California.
Just another losing position which will cost them more seats in the future.
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Correct
The left won't say gun confiscation
Why would anyone expect them to say something they don't want to do?
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Liberals think the state can solve every problem by passing more laws (and stealing more of the citizen's money)
They absolutely do want gun confiscation. Some will admit it, most won't.
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Liberals think the state can solve every problem by passing more laws (and stealing more of the citizen's money)
They absolutely do want gun confiscation. Some will admit it, most won't.
Any and all gun legislation is a slippery slope IMO.
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Any and all gun legislation is a slippery slope IMO.
And the Democunts know this and intend to take advantage of it.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/10/05/pelosi-certainly-hope-bump-stock-ban-beginning-slippery-slope-gun-control/
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Any and all gun legislation is a slippery slope IMO.
totally true
what's this bullshit about not being allowed to own a machine gun
this will very soon lead to wholesale confiscation of all guns
btw - where does it say in the Constitution that felons can't own guns
I actually believe this is total bullshit
Do you stop being a citizen just because you're a felon
Shit, we even allow non-citizens to own guns so how can we deny this right to citizens
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totally true
what's this bullshit about not being allowed to own a machine gun
this will very soon lead to wholesale confiscation of all guns
btw - where does it say in the Constitution that felons can't own guns
I actually believe this is total bullshit
Do you stop being a citizen just because you're a felon
Shit, we even allow non-citizens to own guns so how can we deny this right to citizens
I agree with you 100%
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I agree with you 100%
glad to hear you agree that felons should not lose their constitutional right to own guns
that never made sense to me
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glad to hear you agree that felons should not lose their constitutional right to own guns
that never made sense to me
They paid their debt to society.
I also don't believe that all people who want gun control measures are for total ban. Many truly, however naively, believe more restrictions will do some good. Whether they realize it or not the slippery slope exists.
Furthermore if ALL guns could magically disappear then I may be for that. But anything short of that will just disarm good people and keep firearms in the hands of criminals. There are just too many glitches guns so even with an extremely aggressive confiscation program the black market will still have a large supply.
Also for any gun confiscation program I would also like to see our police disarmed. Would greatly cut back on the killing of good boy blacks. Would make police more polite and put the philosophy of public service back in the profession. Maybe have supervisors have a rifle in their cars for instances that require a firearm.
These are just my opinions. Not based on studies or "facts".
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They paid their debt to society.
I also don't believe that all people who want gun control measures are for total ban. Many truly, however naively, believe more restrictions will do some good. Whether they realize it or not the slippery slope exists.
Furthermore if ALL guns could magically disappear then I may be for that. But anything short of that will just disarm good people and keep firearms in the hands of criminals. There are just too many glitches guns so even with an extremely aggressive confiscation program the black market will still have a large supply.
Also for any gun confiscation program I would also like to see our police disarmed. Would greatly cut back on the killing of good boy blacks. Would make police more polite and put the philosophy of public service back in the profession. Maybe have supervisors have a rifle in their cars for instances that require a firearm.
These are just my opinions. Not based on studies or "facts".
virtually NO ONE who wants gun control legislation wants a total ban
that's just bullshit that Republican tell each other
speaking of bullshit
why don't we allow felons to vote
do you lose your citizenship when you're convicted of a felony?
are you not still a citizen when you're incarcerated
obviously you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun while incarcerated but what possible constitutionally valid reason could there be to deny your right to vote while incarcerated?
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virtually NO ONE who wants gun control legislation wants a total ban
that's just bullshit that Republican tell each other
speaking of bullshit
why don't we allow felons to vote
do you lose your citizenship when you're convicted of a felony?
are you not still a citizen when you're incarcerated
obviously you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun while incarcerated but what possible constitutionally valid reason could there be to deny your right to vote while incarcerated?
I have no idea why they can't vote. Probably an antiquated reason. There is some logic to the gun thing even though it's unconstitutional.
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Whenever you ask a libfag about "common sense gun control " - they usually mean taking guns away from middle and lower class whites
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Whenever you ask a libfag about "common sense gun control " - they usually mean taking guns away from middle and lower class whites
Exactly, and in order to accomplish it they need to threaten us with.......you guessed it........other men with guns.
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Why do you want to tell responsible people what to do in their personal life?
Isn't that what Obama's government tried to do for eight years? He's a socialist/Marxist.
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Whenever you ask a libfag about "common sense gun control " - they usually mean taking guns away from middle and lower class whites
translation = whenever a brain dead right wing Trumptartd hears "common sense gun control" they IMAGINE it means taking guns away from middle and lower class whites
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translation = whenever a brain dead right wing Trumptartd hears "common sense gun control" they IMAGINE it means taking guns away from middle and lower class whites
A piece of advice for Democrats. You don't get to label your intended legislation as being "common sense".
First, tell us what you plan to do, and then the people will decide if it's common sense or not you manipulative lying phaggots.
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A piece of advice for Democrats. You don't get to label your intended legislation as being "common sense".
First, tell us what you plan to do, and then the people will decide if it's common sense or not you manipulative lying phaggots.
news flash for you
I haven't labeled anything and Repubs need to stop assigning their idiotic fantasies to Democrats
BTW - I'm in favor of no gun legislation
It's too late to make any changes
We all just need to accept the fact that we have millions of guns in this country and every once and awhile a nutbag is going to shoot up a crowd of people
That's just how it is
I'd like to hear some Repubs be honest and talk like that
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but I'm open to dialogue on what we can do if anything, on reducing mass shootings. Only morons would be against that
Stop prescribing mind altering medications at such an alarming rate. The big pharma industry needs to be reigned in. Guns have been part of Americana for centuries, only the last few decades (coinciding with big pharmas rise) have mass shootings become semi-commonplace. Not saying they are responsible for all mass shootings but you can only run so many chemicals through the brain before it gets fucked.
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The Supreme Court ended Chicago's strict gun laws in 2010, since then they've only gotten worse.
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The Supreme Court ended Chicago's strict gun laws in 2010, since then they've only gotten worse.
LOL. And you seriously believe that liberal garbage
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Liberals think the state can solve every problem by passing more laws (and stealing more of the citizen's money)
They absolutely do want gun confiscation. Some will admit it, most won't.
Aside even from gun laws, liberals haven't solved a damn thing, they only know how to make things worse.
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Aside even from gun laws, liberals haven't solved a damn thing, they only know how to make things worse.
great point
remember when that Lib president allowed 9-11 to happen and then started two useless wars and then wrapped up his 2nd term by crashing the economy
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great point
remember when that Lib president allowed 9-11 to happen and then started two useless wars and then wrapped up his 2nd term by crashing the economy
LMAO....the Village idiot speaks.
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great point
remember when that Lib president allowed 9-11 to happen and then started two useless wars and then wrapped up his 2nd term by crashing the economy
Liberal or conservative, it doesn't matter. Debating politics is pointless, as votes do not matter on iota. What will happen will happen, regardless of who is in power. The only thing that does change, is when and how it will happen. And that is why this country will never be fixed; it was broken from the beginning and the current situation is only proof of that fact.
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Liberals think the state can solve every problem by passing more laws (and stealing more of the citizen's money)
They absolutely do want gun confiscation. Some will admit it, most won't.
They absolutely don't want to.. now what..
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I have no idea why they can't vote. Probably an antiquated reason. There is some logic to the gun thing even though it's unconstitutional.
Why can't I buy beer on Sundays in Texas and Arkansas? There are a lot of stupid laws
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And the Democunts know this and intend to take advantage of it.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/10/05/pelosi-certainly-hope-bump-stock-ban-beginning-slippery-slope-gun-control/
saw breitbart, then I said a little prayer for you
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They absolutely don't want to.. now what..
Bullshit. How one earth were you a cop and still have your head in the sand like this ?
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Isn't that what Obama's government tried to do for eight years? He's a socialist/Marxist.
Glad you asked.. no he didnt
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Whenever you ask a libfag about "common sense gun control " - they usually mean taking guns away from middle and lower class whites
Only when their talking to rightmorons.. who don't understand what they are saying..
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translation = whenever a brain dead right wing Trumptartd hears "common sense gun control" they IMAGINE it means taking guns away from middle and lower class whites
yep
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great point
remember when that Lib president allowed 9-11 to happen and then started two useless wars and then wrapped up his 2nd term by crashing the economy
ouch!
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Bullshit. How one earth were you a cop and still have your head in the sand like this ?
You should ask yourself the obvious question
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Glad you asked.. no he didnt
Lie. His number one goal for this country was to fuck it up. He almost succeeded.
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You should ask yourself the obvious question
What "common sense" laws would you and your fellow libturds suggest
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What "common sense" laws would you and your fellow libturds suggest
How about no bump stocks.. and no selling parts designed to convert semi to auto. Any problem with that?
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How about no new gun regulations unless you repeal 2 others. Trump style.
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LMAO....the Village idiot speaks.
LOL - looks like our fat phony coach is unaware that 9-11 happened or that we used it as an excuse to start two useless wars.
Oh yeah, also forgot that same "lib" POTUS gave us tax cuts that exploded the budget deficit and increase the federal debt and then wrapped it all up by driving the country to a great recession and near depression
Same phony coach who get excited about a labor participation number yet can't even explain why he's excited about it.
Same phony coach who said the UE rate was phony until the day Trumptard took office
Same phony coach who was a birther until Trump informed him that turns out Obama was born here afterall
Basically same phony coach who is literally one of the dumbest human beings on the face of the earth
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Happy Conquerors Day to you too
LOL - looks like our fat phony coach is unaware that 9-11 happened or that we used it as an excuse to start two useless wars.
Oh yeah, also forgot that same "lib" POTUS gave us tax cuts that exploded the budget deficit and increase the federal debt and then wrapped it all up by driving the country to a great recession and near depression
Same phony coach who get excited about a labor participation number yet can't even explain why he's excited about it.
Same phony coach who said the UE rate was phony until the day Trumptard took office
Same phony coach who was a birther until Trump informed him that turns out Obama was born here afterall
Basically same phony coach who is literally one of the dumbest human beings on the face of the earth
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I see no right wingers on this board have the balls to say (or agree with what I've said) that gun control is pointless.
We have the right to bear arms in this country and the right comes with the consequence that every once and awhile someone (mostly like a white male) is going to decide he wants to shoot a but of innocent people. That's just the way it is. That is the price you pay for freedom
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I see no right wingers on this board have the balls to say (or agree with what I've said) that gun control is pointless.
We have the right to bear arms in this country and the right comes with the consequence that every once and awhile someone (mostly like a white male) is going to decide he wants to shoot a but of innocent people. That's just the way it is. That is the price you pay for freedom
Mostly a white male? lol.
500 people murdered so far in Chicago this year, how many of the killers are white? Not 50 murders.........500.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Chicago-Records-500th-Homicide-for-2017-Report-445321293.html
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Mostly a white male? lol.
500 people murdered so far in Chicago this year, how many of the killers are white? Not 50 murders.........500.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Chicago-Records-500th-Homicide-for-2017-Report-445321293.html
I'm not talking about gang violence or other criminal activity as I'm sure you well know
I'm talking about events like the one in Las Vegas, or Newtown, or Aurora Colorado, or Charleston South Carolina where the shooter plans an event where he intends to mass murder people as many people as possible.
http://www.newsweek.com/white-men-have-committed-more-mass-shootings-any-other-group-675602
how about addressing the larger point
having access to guns in this country and also having ~ 300 million guns floating around (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country) means that every once and awhile one of these mass shooter guys is going to snap and kill a bunch of people. It's just going to happen. Period.
We need to just accept it
If someone wants to figure out a way to stop it that doesn't involve restricting gun ownership that's fine but no need to live in denial about the fact that this shit happens on a regular basis. Just part of life in this country
Here's an event from a month ago that probably wasn't even a blip on the national radar (or not for more than a regular news cycle)
8 people shot in a home in Plano
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2017/09/10/8-reportedly-shot-death-plano-home-suspect-killed-police
Good luck trying to stop this shit
Better to just stop being naive in or denial about this shit
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That's convenient.
"All the murders by non-whites don't count, I'm not talking about those".
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That's convenient.
"All the murders by non-whites don't count, I'm not talking about those".
again, dispshit, try to pay attention
I never said all murders by non-whites don't count
I said I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about these mass shooting events
Mass shooting events will continue to happen so we might as well accept it and get used to it
They are a regular and common events in a country with 300 million guns floating around
I mentioned this twice now and you've completely ignored
Do you agree or not
If you disagree then say why you disagree
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I agree with you straw man.
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I agree with you straw man.
thanks
I think others on this board agree but they're not as brave as you to admit it
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thanks
I think others on this board agree but they're not as brave as you to admit it
Straw, when it comes to the 2nd Amendment and accepting the high cost of liberty, I'm so far ahead of you that your post was actually agreeing with me.
I've been purposely ignoring your point because I knew it would piss you off.
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Straw, when it comes to the 2nd Amendment and accepting the high cost of liberty, I'm so far ahead of you that your post was actually agreeing with me.
I've been purposely ignoring your point because I knew it would piss you off.
translation - you were too embarrassed to admit you agree with me
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translation - you were too embarrassed to admit you agree with me
Yep, you're right on this one Straw, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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I see no right wingers on this board have the balls to say (or agree with what I've said) that gun control is pointless.
We have the right to bear arms in this country and the right comes with the consequence that every once and awhile someone (mostly like a white male) is going to decide he wants to shoot a but of innocent people. That's just the way it is. That is the price you pay for freedom
You make a good case, Straw, except the part to include a callout on white males (since, if nothing else, the everday ho-hum violence in our neighborhoods is a million times the threat).
But the fact is that the positives with guns simply cannot be assesed or used, in any way, on a graph or chart or in any study at all. The subject may be the easiest out there to take and run with a purely negative side showing.
That's exactly what MSM is doing.
So, upon realizing that, the question should no longer be about guns. It should be about the agenda.
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You make a good case, Straw, except the part to include a callout on white males (since, if nothing else, the everday ho-hum violence in our neighborhoods is a million times the threat).
But the fact is that the positives with guns simply cannot be assesed or used, in any way, on a graph or chart or in any study at all. The subject may be the easiest out there to take and run with a purely negative side showing.
That's exactly what MSM is doing.
So, upon realizing that, the question should no longer be about guns. It should be about the agenda.
Once again, I'm referring to the mass shooting events such as the ones I listed and the ones in my link. This are the events that are more likely to effect you and me and people like us. I doubt anyone killed or injured in Vegas would have ever been a victim of gun violence in urban Chicago or some other similar city.
We're more likely to be effected by the nut job that wants to shoot up a church or a movie theater or spray a crowd with bullets from a hotel window and history tells us that type of shooter is more likely to be a white male. Thats just a fact. Not sure why you can't deal with it.
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Isn't that what Obama's government tried to do for eight years? He's a socialist/Marxist.
Ok, then. I guess you're a socialist marxist.
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Once again, I'm referring to the mass shooting events such as the ones I listed and the ones in my link. This are the events that are more likely to effect you and me and people like us. I doubt anyone killed or injured in Vegas would have ever been a victim of gun violence in urban Chicago or some other similar city.
We're more likely to be effected by the nut job that wants to shoot up a church or a movie theater or spray a crowd with bullets from a hotel window and history tells us that type of shooter is more likely to be a white male. Thats just a fact. Not sure why you can't deal with it.
No. I don't doubt many of those individuals live, work, visit, or have some interest in one or more violent locales.
Matter of fact, anyone who cares about fellow Americans has a very strong interest, right there, even if that person uses extraordinary caution to avoid everywhere unfamiliar and at all times (a nut, in other words).
I believe you'll find gun "arguments" are nothing short of emotional outbursts, without a shred or trace of reason to them. It should tell you something about that line of thought.
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No. I don't doubt many of those individuals live, work, visit, or have some interest in one or more violent locales.
Matter of fact, anyone who cares about fellow Americans has a very strong interest, right there, even if that person uses extraordinary caution to avoid everywhere unfamiliar and at all times (a nut, in other words).
I believe you'll find gun "arguments" are nothing short of emotional outbursts, without a shred or trace of reason to them. It should tell you something about that line of thought.
I'm not convinced the people attending a country music festival in Vegas are going to be exposed to gun violence in Chicago (even if they happened to live in Chicago)
Again, my entire premise is this
We have 300 million guns floating around this country
If someone decided they want to shoot up a church, movie theater, school or concert they are going to find a way to do it
Just a part of life in this country so better just to accept it
If you've got some solution on how to prevent this from happening again then I'm certainly willing to listen
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I'm not convinced the people attending a country music festival in Vegas are going to be exposed to gun violence in Chicago (even if they happened to live in Chicago)
Again, my entire premise is this
We have 300 million guns floating around this country
If someone decided they want to shoot up a church, movie theater, school or concert they are going to find a way to do it
Just a part of life in this country so better just to accept it
If you've got some solution on how to prevent this from happening again then I'm certainly willing to listen
Reality has dictated very clearly that we can't rid ourselves of nature in its biggest picture. The human condition won't allow for it in any reasonable way.
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I do believe you're a good guy, Straw. Seeing how you've handled this issue over time tells me you're capable of taking a reasonable approach even if a (seemingly) popular message runs counter to it.
But I must say, a guy like Obama (or any one of his lying sound-alikes in the msm) really ticks me off. They're so busy trying to convince us that the problem of reckless violence will be nearer to "fixed" if we just shut up and trust them, despite lacking even the slightest hint of logic, and all the while they're taking a dump on this society and making it worse. Trying to create situations which rob us of all meaningful opportunity, which everyone should know is the first step in causing unwanted behavior.
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I do believe you're a good guy, Straw. Seeing how you've handled this issue over time tells me you're capable of taking a reasonable approach even if a (seemingly) popular message runs counter to it.
But I must say, a guy like Obama (or any one of his lying sound-alikes in the msm) really ticks me off. They're so busy trying to convince us that the problem of reckless violence will be nearer to "fixed" if we just shut up and trust them, despite lacking even the slightest hint of logic, and all the while they're taking a dump on this society and making it worse. Trying to create situations which rob us of all meaningful opportunity, which everyone should know is the first step in causing unwanted behavior.
I'm interested in your opinion on Australia and the result they got from their 1996 ban
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I'm interested in your opinion on Australia and the result they got from their 1996 ban
Someone brought that up on the board several years ago. Turns out to be a pretty bad talking point. https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/10/21/australia-admits-gun-buyback-failure-amnesty/
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Someone brought that up on the board several years ago. Turns out to be a pretty bad talking point. https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/10/21/australia-admits-gun-buyback-failure-amnesty/
"Regardless of how much of a cause-and-effect relationship there might be between the NFA and gun deaths in Australia, it’s undeniable that the firearms homicide rate in that country has decreased substantially since the implementation of the NFA. It’s not the case, however, as suggested by the misleading and long out-of-date online piece quoted in the Example block above (which was written way back in 2001) that the overall crime rate in Australia has shot up since the NFA was introduced. The rates of various types of violent crimes (sexual assault, kidnapping, homicides of all types) have scarcely changed at all, and while the robbery rate rose substantially in the 1998-2001 timeframe, it dropped below its pre-NFA level by 2004 and has continually declined since then:"
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I'm interested in your opinion on Australia and the result they got from their 1996 ban
Australia is not America, to begin with. And as far as what they did, they saw a chance and took it, the citizens let them do it, and I'd leave it to the Australians to comment on it.
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And btw, I have no way of knowing who has a "banned" gun or multiple guns there at this very moment. Because it wouldn't make sense to believe no one possesses any gun or guns to meet the description.
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I do believe you're a good guy, Straw. Seeing how you've handled this issue over time tells me you're capable of taking a reasonable approach even if a (seemingly) popular message runs counter to it.
But I must say, a guy like Obama (or any one of his lying sound-alikes in the msm) really ticks me off. They're so busy trying to convince us that the problem of reckless violence will be nearer to "fixed" if we just shut up and trust them, despite lacking even the slightest hint of logic, and all the while they're taking a dump on this society and making it worse. Trying to create situations which rob us of all meaningful opportunity, which everyone should know is the first step in causing unwanted behavior.
I'm all for honesty in public policy
Same reason I'd like to see Repubs stop lying about tax cuts paying for themselves (it's total horsehit and has never happened). Say you want to cut taxes because you want lower taxes and then find an actual way to pay for it and if you're going to make the middle class pay to give tax cuts to the rich then just say so.
I'd respect any politician who said that.
They all say what they really believe behind closed doors and they lie like MF'ers in front of the camera
In another example I applaud Bob Corker for saying what probably 98% of the Senate also says when they are among themselves behind closed doors (remember that tape of Congressional Repubs joking that they though Trump was paid by Russia and then Paul Ryan reminding the group that this was only for "the family" to say behind closed doors). Total bullshit...all of it
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Wising up in your older years i see.
;D
I'm all for honesty in public policy
Same reason I'd like to see Repubs stop lying about tax cuts paying for themselves (it's total horsehit and has never happened). Say you want to cut taxes because you want lower taxes and then find an actual way to pay for it and if you're going to make the middle class pay to give tax cuts to the rich then just say so.
I'd respect any politician who said that.
They all say what they really believe behind closed doors and they lie like MF'ers in front of the camera
In another example I applaud Bob Corker for saying what probably 98% of the Senate also says when they are among themselves behind closed doors (remember that tape of Congressional Repubs joking that they though Trump was paid by Russia and then Paul Ryan reminding the group that this was only for "the family" to say behind closed doors). Total bullshit...all of it
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I'm all for honesty in public policy
Same reason I'd like to see Repubs stop lying about tax cuts paying for themselves (it's total horsehit and has never happened). Say you want to cut taxes because you want lower taxes and then find an actual way to pay for it and if you're going to make the middle class pay to give tax cuts to the rich then just say so.
I'd respect any politician who said that.
They all say what they really believe behind closed doors and they lie like MF'ers in front of the camera
In another example I applaud Bob Corker for saying what probably 98% of the Senate also says when they are among themselves behind closed doors (remember that tape of Congressional Repubs joking that they though Trump was paid by Russia and then Paul Ryan reminding the group that this was only for "the family" to say behind closed doors). Total bullshit...all of it
Yeah, man. Yes. Totally understood.
One thing I'll admit that sort of freaks me out a little, is that everything about "governing" is now built on necessary-to-their-purpose deception. Everything. It has reached a point that it is an actual insult, a daily one at that, to common decency. It makes me ill to be even within earshot of a TV these days, knowing how badly they've set out to deceive and how some give them all benefit of (an overwhelming) doubt about what they say. Believing it's an "authoritative" source since, well, that source says so.
It is like a jab in the heart to think where this will lead us.
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Wising up in your older years i see.
;D
I've said the same thing for year
My only change is the view on guns and that pure cynicism
Nothing is going to change and mass shootings are going to continue to be a common event in this country until we invent Pre-Crime technology ala Minority Report
Now, it would be nice to see Republican apply the exact same argument they use for opposing all gun control legislation to abortion legislation
No amount of restrictions or laws are going to prevent someone who wants an abortion from getting one so why even bother
Don't give me this shit about "if only we can stop a few or some or reduce them" etc..
Same arguments can be made about gun laws
Mind your own fucking business. If a woman wants an abortion and she can pay for it that's her business and if you think God is going to be pissed at her that's her problem not yours (not you personally 333 - just using that as an example)
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"Regardless of how much of a cause-and-effect relationship there might be between the NFA and gun deaths in Australia, it’s undeniable that the firearms homicide rate in that country has decreased substantially since the implementation of the NFA. It’s not the case, however, as suggested by the misleading and long out-of-date online piece quoted in the Example block above (which was written way back in 2001) that the overall crime rate in Australia has shot up since the NFA was introduced. The rates of various types of violent crimes (sexual assault, kidnapping, homicides of all types) have scarcely changed at all, and while the robbery rate rose substantially in the 1998-2001 timeframe, it dropped below its pre-NFA level by 2004 and has continually declined since then:"
The Australian Law Banned and Confiscated Guns
The crucial fact they omit is that the buyback program was mandatory. Australia’s vaunted gun buyback program was in fact a sweeping program of gun confiscation. Only the articles from USA Today and the Washington Post cited above contain the crucial information that the buyback was compulsory. The article by Smith-Spark, the latest entry in the genre, assuredly does not. It’s the most important detail about the main provision of Australia’s gun laws, and pundits ignore it. That’s like writing an article about how Obamacare works without once mentioning the individual mandate.
Yet when American gun control advocates and politicians praise Australia’s gun laws, that’s just what they’re doing. Charles Cooke of the National Review shredded the rhetorical conceit of bellowing “Australia!” last year after President Obama expressed his admiration for gun control à la Oz:
You simply cannot praise Australia’s gun-laws without praising the country’s mass confiscation program. That is Australia’s law. When the Left says that we should respond to shootings as Australia did, they don’t mean that we should institute background checks on private sales; they mean that they we should ban and confiscate guns. No amount of wooly words can change this. Again, one doesn’t bring up countries that have confiscated firearms as a shining example unless one wishes to push the conversation toward confiscation.
Cooke, of course, is right. When gun control advocates say they want Australian gun control laws in the United States, what they are really saying is that they want gun confiscation in the United States.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/25/the-australia-gun-control-fallacy/