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Sorry guys...but it looks to me like Obama is not going to win...the race is really close and I believe the polling is in Romney's favor.....even in the states where Obama is leading I don't think he will be able to pull it off...he's going to lose Florida.... and probably won't get Virginia and North Carolina to swing for him again....Ohio is a toss up but I never trust a poll in a close race where there is a black candidate running against a white candidate......often-times the black candidate's strength is over-reported....
Also the economy is getting better...the new numbers out indicate higher than usual growth...but it might be too late....many people have made up their minds and those who haven't will probably go for Romney once they get in the voting booth....
Obama's only hope is to take Ohio, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and hold on to Nevada and Colorado.....If he can do that, he could still win without Florida...also Obama can win if most of the early voters go democratic which they usually do...its been reported that there has been a record amount of early voting this year.....
Obama's first debate loss hurt him badly...he recovered in the last two debates and won both I think but the damage has been done.... I am voting for Obama.....Romney would be a disaster for the country
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Sorry guys...but it looks to me like Obama is not going to win...the race is really close and I believe the polling is in Romney's favor.....even in the states where Obama is leading I don't think he will be able to pull it off...he's going to lose Florida.... and probably won't get Virginia and North Carolina to swing for him again....Ohio is a toss up but I never trust a poll in a close race where there is a black candidate running against a white candidate......often-times the black candidate's strength is over-reported....
Also the economy is getting better...the new numbers out indicate higher than usual growth...but it might be too late....many people have made up their minds and those who haven't will probably go for Romney once they get in the voting booth....
Obama's only hope is to take Ohio, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and hold on to Nevada and Colorado.....If he can do that, he could still win without Florida...also Obama can win if most of the early voters go democratic which they usually do...its been reported that there has been a record amount of early voting this year.....
Obama's first debate loss hurt him badly...he recovered in the last two debates and won both I think but the damage has been done....
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I'm not sure it matters who wins... I've no confidence that either one are out for my best interests..
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I'm not sure it matters who wins... I've no confidence that either one are out for my best interests..
True statement, the question you should ask is who's interest best reflect my own?
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True statement, the question you should ask is who's interest best reflect my own?
First, let me say there are a bunch of smart people, much smarter than I am, voting for either candidate. So let's eliminate the "You gotta be stupid to vote for ____" option
Then, let me say the following is my own method of coming to a decision. I am not a fan of either party. I like some things in both, I dislike many things in both. I am libertarian if I had to label myself. I operate on the premise that you get 4 yrs to do what you said you would do during the campaign. Most lie during the campaign and make promises they know they can't keep. I like to hold them accountable. Bush had 4 yrs, at the end of that I wanted him fired. I didn't like the job he was doing. So I rooted for the candidate. I lost. 4 yrs after the last election, I find that Obama didn't live up to many of his campaign promises and so I want him fired. He doesn't get 4 more years to accomplish what he said he would do in 4 yrs.
If Romney doesn't perform as well as I think he should have, then I will fire him.
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First, let me say there are a bunch of smart people, much smarter than I am, voting for either candidate. So let's eliminate the "You gotta be stupid to vote for ____" option
Then, let me say the following is my own method of coming to a decision. I am not a fan of either party. I like some things in both, I dislike many things in both. I am libertarian if I had to label myself. I operate on the premise that you get 4 yrs to do what you said you would do during the campaign. Most lie during the campaign and make promises they know they can't keep. I like to hold them accountable. Bush had 4 yrs, at the end of that I wanted him fired. I didn't like the job he was doing. So I rooted for the candidate. I lost. 4 yrs after the last election, I find that Obama didn't live up to many of his campaign promises and so I want him fired. He doesn't get 4 more years to accomplish what he said he would do in 4 yrs.
If Romney doesn't perform as well as I think he should have, then I will fire him.
If Romney doesn't perform as well as I think he should have, then I will fire him.
BINGO
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I am for Obama and yes there are somethings he did not do.....but the economy was in ther worst shape it had been in since the great depression....it was a very difficult job.....I think even Obama was surprised at the extent of the problem when he took office.....but he saved the banking industry and the auto industry as well....I just think people are tired of him and want to go in another direction
But Romney will permanently destroy this country if he enacts the tax cuts he's proposing...you dont cut more revenue when you can't pay your bills already.....thats like me being 6 months behind in rent, water, electric, car note, etc, and I say to myself "hey..I think I will work less hours"...it doesn't add up
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Gallup still has Romney up by 5 today.
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Intrade and Nate Silver significantly upgrade Obama’s odds for victory
Intrade Obama Romney
October 26, 2012
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I am for Obama and yes there are somethings he did not do.....but the economy was in ther worst shape it had been in since the great depression....it was a very difficult job.....I think even Obama was surprised at the extent of the problem when he took office.....but he saved the banking industry and the auto industry as well....I just think people are tired of him and want to go in another direction
But Romney will permanently destroy this country if he enacts the tax cuts he's proposing...you dont cut more revenue when you can't pay your bills already.....thats like me being 6 months behind in rent, water, electric, car note, etc, and I say to myself "hey..I think I will work less hours"...it doesn't add up
The good news is, Romney lied. His tax plan won't get implemented because it is a bad plan and he never intended to do it, but he needed something to say that sounded good to republicans. So you can relax a little bit and take comfort in the fact he was just full of shi*
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I am for Obama and yes there are somethings he did not do.....but the economy was in ther worst shape it had been in since the great depression....it was a very difficult job.....I think even Obama was surprised at the extent of the problem when he took office.....but he saved the banking industry and the auto industry as well....I just think people are tired of him and want to go in another direction
But Romney will permanently destroy this country if he enacts the tax cuts he's proposing...you dont cut more revenue when you can't pay your bills already.....thats like me being 6 months behind in rent, water, electric, car note, etc, and I say to myself "hey..I think I will work less hours"...it doesn't add up
careful your about to be hit with the mcspin :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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The economy is not showing numbers that are "stronger than usual". A 2.0% growth in GDP is horrible...particularly three years post recession. I agree that Obama is toast... he's toast largely because the economy has performed not only below his promised standards, but historic levels as well.
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The economy is not showing numbers that are "stronger than usual". A 2.0% growth in GDP is horrible...particularly three years post recession. I agree that Obama is toast... he's toast largely because the economy has performed not only below his promised standards, but historic levels as well.
I think you are giving us too much credit.
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I'm not sure it matters who wins... I've no confidence that either one are out for my best interests..
this!
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The economy is not showing numbers that are "stronger than usual". A 2.0% growth in GDP is horrible...particularly three years post recession. I agree that Obama is toast... he's toast largely because the economy has performed not only below his promised standards, but historic levels as well.
And a 2% print that was born from a massive burst of government spending.
Taking into account all things considered, all things done, all things spent, all promises made....these numbers are pretty bad.
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Sorry guys...but it looks to me like Obama is not going to win...the race is really close and I believe the polling is in Romney's favor.....even in the states where Obama is leading I don't think he will be able to pull it off...he's going to lose Florida.... and probably won't get Virginia and North Carolina to swing for him again....Ohio is a toss up but I never trust a poll in a close race where there is a black candidate running against a white candidate......often-times the black candidate's strength is over-reported....
Also the economy is getting better...the new numbers out indicate higher than usual growth...but it might be too late....many people have made up their minds and those who haven't will probably go for Romney once they get in the voting booth....
Obama's only hope is to take Ohio, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and hold on to Nevada and Colorado.....If he can do that, he could still win without Florida...also Obama can win if most of the early voters go democratic which they usually do...its been reported that there has been a record amount of early voting this year.....
Obama's first debate loss hurt him badly...he recovered in the last two debates and won both I think but the damage has been done.... I am voting for Obama.....Romney would be a disaster for the country
if romney wins im going to vegas and banging some whores to celebrate
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Sorry guys...but it looks to me like Obama is not going to win...the race is really close and I believe the polling is in Romney's favor.....even in the states where Obama is leading I don't think he will be able to pull it off...he's going to lose Florida.... and probably won't get Virginia and North Carolina to swing for him again....Ohio is a toss up but I never trust a poll in a close race where there is a black candidate running against a white candidate......often-times the black candidate's strength is over-reported....
Also the economy is getting better...the new numbers out indicate higher than usual growth...but it might be too late....many people have made up their minds and those who haven't will probably go for Romney once they get in the voting booth....
Obama's only hope is to take Ohio, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and hold on to Nevada and Colorado.....If he can do that, he could still win without Florida...also Obama can win if most of the early voters go democratic which they usually do...its been reported that there has been a record amount of early voting this year.....
Obama's first debate loss hurt him badly...he recovered in the last two debates and won both I think but the damage has been done.... I am voting for Obama.....Romney would be a disaster for the country
Good Lord, you're a fucking moron.
We accept your apology.
Don't let the door hit you or rerun... I mean Obama on the way out.
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if romney wins im going to vegas and banging some whores to celebrate
Bang Romney too while you're at it..he's definitely a whore as well..he'll say anything to anyone to get elected....his flip-flops are amazing
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Good Lord, you're a fucking moron.
We accept your apology.
Don't let the door hit you or rerun... I mean Obama on the way out.
you always enter a thread with an immediate putdown....in what way am I a moron???..just telling it as I see it..its not an apology....I am not a hardcore neocon with the pompoms out like you are...there is theories out there that this phenomenon does occur
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CNN says Obama has 41% of the white male vote.....43% of white women...if these numbers are accurate which Im skeptical they are, then Obama will win
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CNN says Obama has 41% of the white male vote.....43% of white women...if these numbers are accurate which Im skeptical they are, then Obama will win
Obama had that when he ran against McCain. Now, he has but 32%, according to ABC. Romney has 66%. An AP poll has them even at 47% with women. If that holds, particularly in certain swing states, Romney wins it.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/mitt-romney-shows-strength-male-voters-17576012
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Obama had that when he ran against McCain. Now, he has but 32%, according to ABC. Romney has 66%. An AP poll has them even at 47% with women. If that holds, particularly in certain swing states, Romney wins it.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/mitt-romney-shows-strength-male-voters-17576012
Quite possible
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you always enter a thread with an immediate putdown....in what way am I a moron???..just telling it as I see it..its not an apology....I am not a hardcore neocon with the pompoms out like you are...there is theories out there that this phenomenon does occur
Were the numbers over-reported in '08?
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Andreisdaman preemptively pussying out in in this thread, despite the fact that the data indicates an Obama reelection as the most likely outcome. I'm going to slap you after 6 Nov!
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Obama's fuzzy Ohio early vote math
By: Adrian Gray
October 26, 2012 03:18 PM EDT
At this point in an election cycle, many campaign staffers are busy fighting the press on what they call “process stories.” The candidates and their staffs want to talk about their plans and policies while reporters covering them find their audiences demand a play-by-play of the horse race.
The result is constant overstuffing of campaign metrics and polling that only serve to muddy the waters for most political observers. In a close race, such as we have today, there is often plenty of data for both sides to use to their favor. One poll says this, another says that.
(See also: Latest polls from across U.S.)
This makes it especially surprising to see the piece put out by President Barack Obama’s field director this week on early voting in Ohio. When things are ugly for a campaign, these types of memos can start flying. It is troubling for the president’s supporters that they could not come up with at least a handful of positive data points in Ohio. I worked as director of strategy at the Republican National Committee during the difficult 2006 election cycle — I know firsthand how hard it it is to come up with positive data in a negative cycle.
There are normally three signs you know a campaign metrics memo is purely spin.
1. Anecdotes: “We have seen groups as big as 100 voters going to vote in Athens, Ohio.” Only 604 democrats have voted in person in the entire county and no more than 40 in a single precinct (that would be Athens 3-5, for those scoring at home).
(Also on POLITICO: Romney's road to victory in Ohio)
2. Unverifiable Data: “Precincts that Obama won in 2008 are voting early at a higher rate”: This is unverifiable and misleading because there is no such thing as an “Obama precinct.” Every ten years, the entire country rebalances its voting districts based on a constitutionally mandated census. In 2010, this process redrew the lines of reportable voting areas that were used in 2008. So this year, we have entirely new precincts, thereby making it impossible to validate their claim.
3. Cherry-picking random sub-poll data: “Time poll shows the President up 60-30” among early voters. That sub-sample was asked of 145 people and was one of many of similar ilk (with a huge variation in results). Their central data argument is that 43 more people told Time’s pollster over a two-day window they supported Obama. If that is their best claim to a lead in Ohio, it is a troubling picture for the president.
(See also: POLITICO's swing-state map)
I have always been a believer in data telling me the full story. Truth is, nobody knows what will happen on Election Day. But here is what we do know: 220,000 fewer Democrats have voted early in Ohio compared with 2008. And 30,000 more Republicans have cast their ballots compared with four years ago. That is a 250,000-vote net increase for a state Obama won by 260,000 votes in 2008.
Adrian Gray is a veteran of two winning presidential campaigns, the White House, the RNC and the Pickens Plan. He is currently working in Asset Management in New York and can be found on twitter at @adrian_gray
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I'm not sure it matters who wins... I've no confidence that either one are out for my best interests..
This!
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This!
actually it does matter. When thousands of businesses go on capital strike because we have a communist traitor and marxist slug in the WH it impacts a lot.
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actually it does matter. When thousands of businesses go on capital strike because we have a communist traitor and marxist slug in the WH it impacts a lot.
I wish I could still share your enthusiasm in the Political System. All I see in front of me are whores.
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I wish I could still share your enthusiasm in the Political System. All I see in front of me are whores.
I'm talking about the system, but about the many millions of business interactions that go on daily. Millions of businesses simply will not hire or expand until obama is gone. That alone will unleash a capital expansion and confidence by many to expand and take chances that will beneficially impact many people. Is it based on anything realistic or substanative? Maybr maybe not - but its reality.
Obama is deposed from office and millions of businesses will take more chances and expand and spend more $$$$
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Not pussying out at all....I am painted on here as a far left liberal, and I wear the liberal label proudly but I am not far left....I try to be as honest as possible....I just don't think Obama will be able to pull it off due only to the economy....people still feel the country needs a change...I don't agree but I have a feeling Obama will not carry the white vote this year in the numbers that he did...that will be his downfall....also will blacks and young adults come out for him in record numbers like they did???...no
I hope to God Obama wins....I think he has done so much for the country that he isn't given credit for....He even survived the conservatives trying to de-legitimize him...but its my feeling that the numbers showing high support for him are not accurate....I think many people who say they are going to vote for him ultimately will not....just my theory
just being honest like I have always been
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Were the numbers over-reported in '08?
Actually from some reports, yes....I think Google did a study which says that Obama should have won with a much higher percentage than he did based on data that they had....and it is a part of political theory that black candidates often poll higher against a white candidate than their strength actually is....its not racist to bring up this theory...its not something that I made up
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This!
what???...no racist remark>???????........a first!!!
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actually it does matter. When thousands of businesses go on capital strike because we have a communist traitor and marxist slug in the WH it impacts a lot.
I knew you were going to fuck this thread up....sigh :-\
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what???...no racist remark>???????........a first!!!
You won't find me defending Bush. I think he is one of the worst Presidents ever. In fact, in 2008 I thought Obama made a lot of sense in his speeches. He spoke about the perils of government being too big, greedy Wall Street, the need to bring troops home and the need to stop spending so much money on the military industrial complex etc. etc.
And then he made a 180 degree turn and failed to deliver on any of these campaign promises. From 2008 till now I begun to understand the game is rigged as George Carlin put it.
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You won't find me defending Bush. I think he is one of the worst Presidents ever. In fact, in 2008 I thought Obama made a lot of sense in his speeches. He spoke about the perils of government being too big, greedy Wall Street, the need to bring troops home and the need to stop spending so much money on the military industrial complex etc. etc.
And then he made a 180 degree turn and failed to deliver on any of these campaign promises. From 2008 till now I begun to understand the game is rigged as George Carlin put it.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You won't find me defending Bush. I think he is one of the worst Presidents ever. In fact, in 2008 I thought Obama made a lot of sense in his speeches. He spoke about the perils of government being too big, greedy Wall Street, the need to bring troops home and the need to stop spending so much money on the military industrial complex etc. etc.
And then he made a 180 degree turn and failed to deliver on any of these campaign promises. From 2008 till now I begun to understand the game is rigged as George Carlin put it.
I do agree with you that the game is somewhat rigged...I think Obama underestimated his ability to get congress together and work bi-partisanly....you have a lot of entrenched interests in Washington....a lot of lobbyist....large Jewish influence....etc
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I do agree with you that the game is somewhat rigged...I think Obama underestimated his ability to get congress together and work bi-partisanly....you have a lot of entrenched interests in Washington....a lot of lobbyist....large Jewish influence....etc
LOL - so his total lack of any leadership whatsoever played no role on this?
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actually it does matter. When thousands of businesses go on capital strike because we have a communist traitor and marxist slug in the WH it impacts a lot.
Just like all the docs walking off their jobs and rioting in the streets? ::)
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Gallup Monday: Romney 51% Obama 46%
Gallup ^ | 10/29/2012 | Staff
Posted on 10/29/2012 10:10:42 AM PDT by
All registered voters are asked: "Suppose the presidential election were held today, and it included Barack Obama and Joe Biden as the Democratic Party's candidates and Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan as the Republican Party's candidates. Who would you vote for [ROTATED: Barack Obama and Joe Biden, the Democrats (or) Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, the Republicans]?" Those who are undecided are further asked if they lean more toward Obama and Biden or Romney and Ryan and their leanings are incorporated into the results.
(Excerpt) Read more at gallup.com ...
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:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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LOL - so his total lack of any leadership whatsoever played no role on this?
sigh.....you can't lead people who do not want to follow...no matter how hard you try...and the Republicans said they were not going to follow Obama essentially.....Mitch McConnell had openly proclaimed that his objective was to make sure Obama is not re-elected....how can you work with someone who proclaims this one year into your presidency
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sigh.....you can't lead people who do not want to follow...no matter how hard you try
::)
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http://www.redstate.com/2012/10/26/why-i-think-obama-is-toast
DONE
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LOL - so his total lack of any leadership whatsoever played no role on this?
A part of good leadership is getting folks to work together to come to consensus and to resolve issues. Barbara Roberts, former Oregon Governor was well liked but many felt fairly ineffective because she often wasn't very successful at getting the Oregon legislature to work together on the issues.
It is your opinion that President Obama has exhibited a total lack of leadership. Opinions don't count as fact.
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A part of good leadership is getting folks to work together to come to consensus and to resolve issues. Barbara Roberts, former Oregon Governor was well liked but many felt fairly ineffective because she often wasn't very successful at getting the Oregon legislature to work together on the issues.
It is your opinion that President Obama has exhibited a total lack of leadership. Opinions don't count as fact.
Yes - Reagan worked w tip oneill
Bush with the congress
C;inton w newt
W with many demos
Its only obama who seems to have this problem.
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Yes - Reagan worked w tip oneill
Bush with the congress
C;inton w newt
W with many demos
Its only obama who seems to have this problem.
Personally (and this is just my opinion), I believe your statement is inaccurate, overstated and oversimplified.
"The worst president in U.S. history, George Bush, with a 74 percent disapproval rating by U.S. citizens along with the worst Congress with an 86 percent disapproval rating-- continue pushing the worst bill in American history." Frosty Wooldridge
Read this: 14 reasons why this is the worst Congress ever http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/13/13-reasons-why-this-is-the-worst-congress-ever/.
Recently, when House Majority Whip Rep. Kevin McCarthy was asked if this Congress was the actual "worst in history" -- as Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein had claimed -- his response was that he would agree the Senate is the worst in history, but not his part the House of Representatives.
Last year, Congress had its most futile year in history, passing only 80 bills (since records have been kept since 1947). This year, there have been 54 bills passed so far and 17 of those have been to rename either post offices or other places.
Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/2012/08/03/worst-congress-ever/#ixzz2AiUDWe1f
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Personally (and this is just my opinion), I believe your statement is inaccurate, overstated and oversimplified.
"The worst president in U.S. history, George Bush, with a 74 percent disapproval rating by U.S. citizens along with the worst Congress with an 86 percent disapproval rating-- continue pushing the worst bill in American history." Frosty Wooldridge
Read this: 14 reasons why this is the worst Congress ever http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/13/13-reasons-why-this-is-the-worst-congress-ever/.
Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/2012/08/03/worst-congress-ever/#ixzz2AiUDWe1f
Ok and? The GOP is going to retain the house by most measures. What does that forbode when Obama said he is powerless to change washington from within?
Why elect a guy who already says he is incapable?
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Ok and? The GOP is going to retain the house by most measures. What does that forbode when Obama said he is powerless to change washington from within?
Why elect a guy who already says he is incapable?
Why do you believe a change of President will make a difference in this stalemate with Congress?
I was merely pointing out what you failed to, which is there is more to getting Congress to enact laws then it might seem. To put all the blame on the President is ridiculous.
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Why do you believe a change of President will make a difference in this stalemate with Congress?
I was merely pointing out what you failed to, which is there is more to getting Congress to enact laws then it might seem. To put all the blame on the President is ridiculous.
There is a chance for a change w someone new, not so if obama stays in office since he is promising more of the same nonnsense that we have gotten for the last 4 years.
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There is a chance for a change w someone new, not so if obama stays in office since he is promising more of the same nonnsense that we have gotten for the last 4 years.
I am an idealist. I generally favor change as a positive thing. However, Romney may not be so much of a change as a return to previously failed policies that got this country and the world into the financial crisis in the first place. Oh right, he says this isn't so.
Speaking of working with Congress, there are many who believe Romney will actually have more of a problem with this than Obama has had. It would seem each candidate for the Presidency has some strengths and some weaknesses. I particularly find the part where people feel Romney leads in the "has new ideas" area....as if a new idea is always a good idea. Sometimes new ideas are crap!
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I am an idealist. I generally favor change as a positive thing. However, Romney may not be so much of a change as a return to previously failed policies that got this country and the world into the financial crisis in the first place. Oh right, he says this isn't so.
Speaking of working with Congress, there are many who believe Romney will actually have more of a problem with this than Obama has had. It would seem each candidate for the Presidency has some strengths and some weaknesses.
I am more of realist. I have grown up with an seen ghetto street hustlers like obama my whole life. All sizzle no steak.
And tell me what policies led to the mess we are in since that is such a common thing w libs?
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I am more of realist. I have grown up with an seen ghetto street hustlers like obama my whole life. All sizzle no steak.
And tell me what policies led to the mess we are in since that is such a common thing w libs?
Going to war in Iraq spent a hell of a lot of money we didnt have dont ya think?
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Going to war in Iraq spent a hell of a lot of money we didnt have dont ya think?
So the deficit is the cause of the mess? Remind me again of the deficit from 2003 - 2008 compared to now? And if the iraq war is over - why hasnt the deficit gone down?
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I am more of realist. I have grown up with an seen ghetto street hustlers like obama my whole life. All sizzle no steak.
And tell me what policies led to the mess we are in since that is such a common thing w libs?
Has it occurred to you that you are actually the one who is the ghetto thug and not President Obama. President Obama, unlike you, did not grow up with and live with ghetto street hustlers his whole life.
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Has it occurred to you that you are actually the one who is the ghetto thug and not President Obama. President Obama, unlike you, did not grow up with and live with ghetto street hustlers his whole life.
Obama went to chicago and befriended ayers, dohrn, alinsky, the communist street radicals in chicago, the anti american forces in the New Party, etc reemember?
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Obama went to chicago and befriended ayers, dohrn, alinsky, the communist street radicals in chicago, the anti american forces in the New Party, etc reemember?
You need to take a break and go to the shitter because you are full up, my friend.
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You need to take a break and go to the shitter because you are full up, my friend.
Sorry it is you who are full of shit. You liberal dolts have head your head in the sand with respect to the true nature and background of obama that you simply can't see why reality keeps smaking you in the head over and over and over again.
Name one thing i claimed about obama that is not true.
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Sorry it is you who are full of shit. You liberal dolts have head your head in the sand with respect to the true nature and background of obama that you simply can't see why reality keeps smaking you in the head over and over and over again.
Name one thing i claimed about obama that is not true.
No. You name one thing that is true and then prove that it is.
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No. You name one thing that is true and then prove that it is.
Obama befriended Ayeres and Dohrn and held his first political fundraiser in their living room.
Truth or fiction?
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Obama befriended Ayeres and Dohrn and held his first political fundraiser in their living room.
Truth or fiction?
False. There is nothing to suggest they were "friends" or that it was a fundraiser. There were only a dozen folks there. That's not much of a fundraiser, now is it?
I'll give you credit that there are grains of truth here when it comes to times and dates. Beyond that, what you suggest is pure fabrication.
During the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, a controversy arose regarding Barack Obama's contact with Bill Ayers, a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and a former leader of the Weather Underground, a radical left organization in the 1970s. Investigations by The New York Times, CNN, and other news organizations concluded that Obama did not have a close relationship with Ayers. Ayers served on two nonprofit boards with Obama. Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, hosted a gathering at their home in 1995, where Alice Palmer introduced Obama as her chosen successor in the Illinois State Senate.
The matter was initially raised by Sean Hannity and other hosts on conservative talk radio programs, and then by moderator George Stephanopoulos during a debate between Clinton and Obama in April 2008. In October 2008, the matter was mentioned in attack ads, robocalls, mass mailings, and campaign speeches by Republican presidential candidate John McCain and vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin as an issue in the general election campaign. Obama has condemned Ayers' past, and stated that he does not have a close association with him.
Obama and Ayers first met in 1995 when Ayers and Dohrn hosted a small gathering at their home in the Hyde Park section of Chicago, the neighborhood in which the Obamas lived, at which then-state Senator Alice J. Palmer introduced Barack Obama to the group as her chosen successor for the 1996 Democratic primary.Dr. Quentin Young, a longtime physician who also attended, said it was a small group—maybe a dozen or so people—who were being introduced to the next senator from Chicago's South Side. The formal announcement and endorsement by Palmer was held at the Ramada hotel.
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False. There is nothing to suggest they were "friends" or that it was a fundraiser. There were only a dozen folks there. That's not much of a fundraiser, now is it?
I'll give you credit that there are grains of truth here when it comes to times and dates. Beyond that, what you suggest is pure fabrication.
How about some links? And by the way - read up on what obama did to Alice Palmer. Speaks a lot abou tthe true nature of obama.
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How about some links? And by the way - read up on what obama did to Alice Palmer. Speaks a lot abou tthe true nature of obama.
Are you referring to this situation?
Yes, you are right in that politics often is an ugly business.
On September 19, 1995 Barack Obama formally announced his candidacy for the state Senate, with Palmer introducing and endorsing Obama as her successor, according to multiple accounts. According to The New Yorker, Palmer's endorsement "brought with it two organizational assets: local operators and local activists".
On November 28, 1995, after finishing a distant third behind Jesse Jackson, Jr. in the primary to replace Reynolds, a disappointed Palmer remarked that she still would not seek re-election to the state Senate. However, Palmer changed her mind and filed nominating petitions with 1,580 signatures on December 18, 1995—the last day for filing. That day Obama told the Chicago Tribune, "I am disappointed that she's decided to go back on her word to me".
In early January 1996, Obama challenged Palmer's hastily gathered petitions and those of the three other prospective Democratic candidates. Nearly two-thirds of the signatures on Palmer's petitions were found to be invalid, leaving her almost 200 signatures short of the required 757 signatures of registered voters residing in the Illinois Senate district.
None of the other three prospective candidates had the required number of valid signatures. As a result Obama, who had filed nominating petitions with over 3,000 signatures on the first filing day, appeared alone on the ballot for the March 16 Democratic primary. For all intents and purposes, this assured him of election in this heavily Democratic district. He easily defeated the Republican and Harold Washington Party candidates in the November general election. In a 2007 interview with the Chicago Tribune, Obama said that the challenges were justified by obvious flaws in the signature sheets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Palmer_(politician)
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Well. May not have been a fund raiser but 12 people in ones living room sounds more like a friend than a person you vaguely know.. Look.. He knew bill ayers.. His denial was like when he "vaguely" knew rev wright..
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Well. May not have been a fund raiser but 12 people in ones living room sounds more like a friend than a person you vaguely know.. Look.. He knew bill ayers.. His denial was like when he "vaguely" knew rev wright..
I bet somewhere, sometime or somehow I've met or even known some folks that I rather not be associated with now....maybe even folks from Getbig. LOL!
One thing is for sure, I won't be the one casting stones.
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Well. May not have been a fund raiser but 12 people in ones living room sounds more like a friend than a person you vaguely know.. Look.. He knew bill ayers.. His denial was like when he "vaguely" knew rev wright..
Did you get that they all lived in the same neighborhood. I've been to my neighborhood association meetings when there have been around a dozen other folks in attendance. None of these folks are my friends per se, just neighbors with a common interest in the good of the neighborhood.
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Did you get that they all lived in the same neighborhood. I've been to my neighborhood association meetings when there have been around a dozen other folks in attendance. None of these folks are my friends per se, just neighbors with a common interest in the good of the neighborhood.
you should know by now that arguing with 3333 is a waste of time......he doesn't care about your opinion or the truth..he only wants to get to 100,000 posts with 90,000 of them being negative about Obama
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you should know by now that arguing with 3333 is a waste of time......he doesn't care about your opinion or the truth..he only wants to get to 100,000 posts with 90,000 of them being negative about Obama
And the annenberg foundation.
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Has Hurricane Sandy Vagina killed you yet?
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So the deficit is the cause of the mess? Remind me again of the deficit from 2003 - 2008 compared to now? And if the iraq war is over - why hasnt the deficit gone down?
Obama had to pay for these credit card transactions bush left the US with.
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Obama had to pay for these credit card transactions bush left the US with.
Lol. Friggin moron. Spending is still sky high
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Lol. Friggin moron. Spending is still sky high
spending will always be high..its never ever going back down...politicians need to promise people things in order to get elected....when you promise things, that means you gotta spend money
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spending will always be high..its never ever going back down...politicians need to promise people things in order to get elected....when you promise things, that means you gotta spend money
YOU = FAIL
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YOU = FAIL
Do you honestly believe that Romney will cut spending???......also....what happened to the Tea Party???...Romney doesn't even mention them any more........he and other Repubs never believed in them in the first place
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Sorry guys...but it looks to me like Obama is not going to win...blah blah blabedy blah
Andreisdaman preemptively pussying out in in this thread, despite the fact that the data indicates an Obama reelection as the most likely outcome. I'm going to slap you after 6 Nov!
SLAP!!!
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SLAP!!!
I was wrong...obviously.....su e me ;)
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I was wrong...obviously.....su e me ;)
To get what? You are broke and already in hock. ;D.
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To get what? You are broke and already in hock. ;D.
he who lives in mom's drafty basement should not throw stones :D
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Sorry guys...but it looks to me like Obama is not going to win...the race is really close and I believe the polling is in Romney's favor.....even in the states where Obama is leading I don't think he will be able to pull it off...he's going to lose Florida.... and probably won't get Virginia and North Carolina to swing for him again....Ohio is a toss up but I never trust a poll in a close race where there is a black candidate running against a white candidate......often-times the black candidate's strength is over-reported....
Also the economy is getting better...the new numbers out indicate higher than usual growth...but it might be too late....many people have made up their minds and those who haven't will probably go for Romney once they get in the voting booth....
Obama's only hope is to take Ohio, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and hold on to Nevada and Colorado.....If he can do that, he could still win without Florida...also Obama can win if most of the early voters go democratic which they usually do...its been reported that there has been a record amount of early voting this year.....
Obama's first debate loss hurt him badly...he recovered in the last two debates and won both I think but the damage has been done.... I am voting for Obama.....Romney would be a disaster for the country
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