Physique Photographer Jason Ellis Accused of Raping 15-year old Model

[pellius]

well the law is the law, what do you want me to do change it for you?  As a society we have to draw the line in the sand with the best knowledge we have to date...If science proves that kids under 18 yrs of age cannot handle intimate relationships with adults, that it fucks them up and it is bad for them and society then how can you guys keep defending it. Until you can prove otherwise stick with women your own age.

half-baked logic my ass.

thanks

I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that what he did is illegal and he broke the law. Just don't conflate what is illegal with what is immoral.

[Mars]

still no pics??

[Bulk_me_up]

well the law is the law, what do you want me to do change it for you?  As a society we have to draw the line in the sand with the best knowledge we have to date...If science proves that kids under 18 yrs of age cannot handle intimate relationships with adults, that it fucks them up and it is bad for them and society then how can you guys keep defending it. Until you can prove otherwise stick with women your own age.

half-baked logic my ass.

thanks

QFT

[Figo]

There are plenty of sites out there with very old guys prob 70 or more that are fuking 18 year old girls.

Aside from minors (illegal, wrong), and 70 yr olds with teenagers, what is an appropriate age-gap in todays society? We see 40 yr olds with 20 yr olds, etc...

[nycbull]

as long is everyone is an adult its ok although when it is more than 20 yrs it is suspect, I mean why can't Tom Cruise relate to a women in her 40's, because a women in her 20's is way more impressionalbe and controlable. thats pretty pathetic.  HE needs to overpower someone in order to relate to them.

[Dorian01]

still no pics??

Pics of the two fucking? Not yet, but pics of her were posted here http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=223017.msg3597002#msg3597002

[luvvsuNOT]

Aside from minors (illegal, wrong), and 70 yr olds with teenagers, what is an appropriate age-gap in todays society? We see 40 yr olds with 20 yr olds, etc...

Well, I don't know about you guys but if I can be like Hef and snagged some 19 yr twin hotties at 85 yrs  I wouldn't give a crap what anybody says or thinks. If you like 50, 60, 70 year old boards then more power to you. And there's different ways to relate to different people of all ages. Those of you with little kids, don't you relate to them on a certain level? I see some people relate to their parrot more than their brother or sister. I doubt Hefner is discussing the origins of ethical monetheism with those teen babes.

There's a reason why men are attracted to younger women (and I don't mean tweens or children). It's because they look better. Isn't it obvious that as people age they start to deteriorate and become less attractive? Sure, some hold on longer. I think Stallone looks get "for his age." But he looked better in his 30's and early 40's. That Suzanne Summers fought the good fight (though I don't know how much make up played a role) but age gets us all in the end.

[James Phoenix]

Nature dictates that women are ready for sex when they start menstruation.

[technokc]

Our country is in a sad state when it is illegal for a man to put his penis in that.

[James Phoenix]

Our country is in a sad state when it is illegal for a man to put his penis in that.

It's legal in many countries - Sweden for instance.

Europe and the rest of the modern world are more progressive than the United States. 

[Mars]

It's legal in many countries - Sweden for instance.

Europe and the rest of the modern world are more progressive than the United States. 

in america people are in great shock when they see a nipple on tv. they still live in the middle ages.

[James Phoenix]

in america people are in great shock when they see a nipple on tv. they still live in the middle ages.

QFT.

But it's ok to show people getting murdered, and it's important to fight homosexual marriage and promote intelligent design.

[Mars]

QFT.

But it's ok to show people getting murdered, and it's important to fight homosexual marriage and promote intelligent design.

yes very sick country.

[James Phoenix]

yes very sick country.

Sick and dumbed down.

Absolutely.

[technokc]

It's legal in many countries - Sweden for instance.

Europe and the rest of the modern world are more progressive than the United States. 

So you are saying that if I took her on vacation to Sweden I could stick my fist in her ass and piss in her mouth as long as I did it on their soil?. . . . . . Logging on to my travelocity account right now!

[flagadajones]

as long is everyone is an adult its ok although when it is more than 20 yrs it is suspect, I mean why can't Tom Cruise relate to a women in her 40's, because a women in her 20's is way more impressionalbe and controlable. thats pretty pathetic.  HE needs to overpower someone in order to relate to them.

true.

but sometimes you can overpower someone who' s as old as you or older too.

[luvvsuNOT]

true.

but sometimes you can overpower someone who' s as old as you or older too.

And there are those that want to be overpowered by someone. Take Bluto and Mentzer for example (sry Blut)

[luvvsuNOT]

Our country is in a sad state when it is illegal for a man to put his penis in that.

I think you can be sure that some penises has already found their way into that. And, from the looks of things, many more are to come. Daddy must be so proud.

[luvvsuNOT]

QFT.

But it's ok to show people getting murdered, and it's important to fight homosexual marriage and promote intelligent design.

I don't know if it's an accurate analogy to compare violence with sex. Say you had a child that was, I don't know, 13, 14, 15 yrs; what would bother you more, knowing they got into a fight or that they were having sex? I don't how often you see real killings on public and commercial TV. You have to go on the net to get those beheadings and stonings. You do see it of course in drama. But watching someone get shot in CSI is different than watching porn -- people actually having sex. In the first case you know it's not real but in the case of porn, it is real in the sense that it's real sex, the guy is blowing his load (which inevitably seems to wind up all over the girl's face). I don't think a six year old will lose their innocence watching the Road Runner get blown up. I think it will have detrimental effect if they saw some whore getting a major pounding up the pooper.

This is just one White man's opinion.

[James Phoenix]

I don't know if it's an accurate analogy to compare violence with sex. Say you had a child that was, I don't know, 13, 14, 15 yrs; what would bother you more, knowing they got into a fight or that they were having sex? I don't how often you see real killings on public and commercial TV. You have to go on the net to get those beheadings and stonings. You do see it of course in drama. But watching someone get shot in CSI is different than watching porn -- people actually having sex. In the first case you know it's not real but in the case of porn, it is real in the sense that it's real sex, the guy is blowing his load (which inevitably seems to wind up all over the girl's face). I don't think a six year old will lose their innocence watching the Road Runner get blown up. I think it will have detrimental effect if they saw some whore getting a major pounding up the pooper.

This is just one White man's opinion.

To answer your question, I would have a bigger problem if I had a child that behaved violently.
Violence leads people to prison or death; sex leads to life, if practiced safely.

I'm not sure what it means to "lose their innocence".

In this particular case, we're talking about a girl that willingly went with this guy and put her mouth on his dick.
If she was innocent, the idea of doing that probably would've freaked her out. So clearly she's not innocent.
She must have had some familiarity with it.

Laws aren't going to stop this sort of activity - the same way laws don't stop people from drinking underaged.
We need less laws and better parenting. The only thing that can stop this behavior is good parenting.

This situation is a symptom of a hypocritical, sick society.

[Doug_Steele]

I think you can be sure that some penises has already found their way into that. And, from the looks of things, many more are to come. Daddy must be so proud.

I have seen alot of girls like this when i managed a Abercrombie and you have to be 18+ to work there and i would try to pick out girls that i wanted there and the would be 15,16,17 and look like this but what he did is rape. These young women today walk around and look like they are 21+ and whenever i do have kids, no way i would let them out of the house looking the way i saw and seen so many girls walk in my store.

[luvvsuNOT]

To answer your question, I would have a bigger problem if I had a child that behaved violently.
Violence leads people to prison or death; sex leads to life, if practiced safely.

I'm not sure what it means to "lose their innocence".

In this particular case, we're talking about a girl that willingly went with this guy and put her mouth on his dick.
If she was innocent, the idea of doing that probably would've freaked her out. So clearly she's not innocent.
She must have had some familiarity with it.

Laws aren't going to stop this sort of activity - the same way laws don't stop people from drinking underaged.
We need less laws and better parenting. The only thing that can stop this behavior is good parenting.

This situation is a symptom of a hypocritical, sick society.

Don't be silly. Of course laws act as a deterrent. If it was legal to have sex with preteens do you think we'd have more, less, or the same? Same for anything, be it murder, rape, drinking, drug use...

And violence can often be a good thing. It kept the Nazis from world conquest. The threat and the ability to use violence keeps a lot of punks at bay. Not everyone. Nothing is 100%. Do you know how to fight? Don't you think that's a good skill to know as a man?

In brief, a child (under 10 or so) is innocent. I didn't say good or bad. That's a separate issue. I said innocent. They lack that self awareness and judgementality that you get as you get older and need to survive. They are oblivious.  What you see is what you get. No dark or devious side. When a person grows up they develop a public life, a private life and a secret life. Not so with a six year old.

There's more to it than that but you have to read books.

[James Phoenix]

Don't be silly. Of course laws act as a deterrent. If it was legal to have sex with preteens do you think we'd have more, less, or the same? Same for anything, be it murder, rape, drinking, drug use...

Obviously laws act as a deterrent. Your reading comprehension fails or you're twisting my words. Don't twist my words. I said laws won't stop it. The real question: Why should we stop something that is perfectly natural? The result is, a man's life is ruined because the parents couldn't keep their daughter from dressing like a slut and absorbing American media. If it was legal to do something perfectly natural, the products of good parenting will go about their business living as they were raised;
forcible rape will continue to be prosecuted, and photographers will continue to fuck sluts without having their lives ruined.
Sounds like a better option to me. That's the way it is in most of the world.

And violence can often be a good thing. It kept the Nazis from world conquest. The threat and the ability to use violence keeps a lot of punks at bay. Not everyone. Nothing is 100%. Do you know how to fight? Don't you think that's a good skill to know as a man?

Yes I know how to fight and have had to defend myself. But if there weren't other violent people, then I wouldn't have to use violence to defend myself would I? Your point is silly. Violence necessitates violence. Intelligent, reasonable people, use violence as a last resort in their day-to-day interactions. Eventually genetic manipulation and natural selection will eliminate violent traits in the human species.

In brief, a child (under 10 or so) is innocent. I didn't say good or bad. That's a separate issue. I said innocent. They lack that self awareness and judgementality that you get as you get older and need to survive. They are oblivious.  What you see is what you get. No dark or devious side. When a person grows up they develop a public life, a private life and a secret life. Not so with a six year old.

There's more to it than that but you have to read books.

The issue is a menstruating 15-year old, not a 10 year old.
Your reading comprehension is lacking so why should you read? You probably don't retain or understand half of the information you absorb.
I probably spent a couple thousand or more on books - not that it helps much. You'll read authors that agree with your preconceived notions of right and wrong. Authors have biases. Attack everything from different angles. It's most important to be able to reason and use common sense -
something you pretend you don't have I'm afraid.

How does it feel for you to be 100% wrong?

It sounds like you have a good familiarity with pornography seeing as you know guys cum all over the chick's face.
You sound like a typical hypocritical American moralist. You'll sell your children pornography then turn around and defend the innocence of a teen slut.

[Ursus]

I would rather my 13 yer old was fighting than having sex

[luvvsuNOT]

How does it feel for you to be 100% wrong?

It sounds like you have a good familiarity with pornography seeing as you know guys cum all over the chick's face.
You sound like a typical hypocritical American moralist. You'll sell your children pornography then turn around and defend the innocence of a teen slut.

Don't get your panties in a bunch girlfriend.

Your first point: apparently I did misunderstand you. We agree more than we disagree. It wasn't rape and I don't think he should go to jail like my friend did for having sex with a 13 year old (if you knew and saw this 13 year old the moralist on this board wouldn't think I'm a sicko and she lied about her age). I believe it's the responsibility of the parents to raise and protect their teen age girls. I am ambivalent about laws regarding the age of consent. I know I wouldn't want my 15 year old having sex with a 40 year old. But if it wasn't rape do I want guys thrown in jail for that? In most states two 16 year olds can have sex and it's OK. But if the guy is 19 than it's illegal. Huh?

Regarding your second point vis-a-vis violence. Sorry bud, this is the real world. There will always be evil and there will always be violence. It's the state of man and it ain't changing anytime soon. Best one learn to handle a gun and use his fists.

As for the third point, I'll ignore the gratuitous insults and I will say I agree with you regarding pre and post pubescent children. I thought I had made that abundantly clear. I was addressing the point about equating violence with sexual behavior.

There indeed has been some miscommunication. This is a long thread and ideas get lost and trying to keep track of who said what. There may be some difference of opinion as far as equating violence with sexual behavior but as far as I can see we don't differ much else on the other points. Just to reiterate, I don't like the idea of 40 year olds having consensual sex with a 15 year old. And I do believe a 15 year is not so naive and dumb that she doesn't know what she's doing. But just because I personally don't like something doesn't mean it should be illegal. If it wasn't rape I don't think anybody should be sent to jail. I hate to admit it, but when I saw that 13 year old that my friend had sex with and spent a few years behind bars I thought to myself, "There for the grace of God..." I mean, shoots, under certain circumstances that could have been me.

Yes, I am very familiar with porn. You? Just being on GetBig is a journey into the dark underbelly of perversion. Why do you think I'm here?

You Europeans. So emotional. I hope there's no hard feelings.