QUESTION FOR TBOMBZ AND MOS!!

[SF1900]

Please refute it....fire away chief!  Let's take the "emotional appeals" for example.  Tell me why you know better about the personal revelations I've had with God and why it wasn't real and isn't evidence.  Tell me why with zero experience or knowledge of God you know this with certainty.    Keep in mind this isn't science or naturalism being discussed and attempts to conform the situation to fit it's requirements does not work.  And please don't take the "you can't prove it either" angle otherwise I just have to restate the "can't lead a horse to water" comment again.

LOL!! You can feel my Christian rage!!   All I did was cobble together every generic atheist evidence requirement into a few sentences.....atheists hate tastes of their own medicine.

The tough questions are now pretty easy to answer for me....other theists not so much....I listen, study and think.   What's truly difficult for theists is leading a horse to water and making it drink.

Problem with so many folks is that they live on Planet Burger King and want everything their way.

haha, sure. If you were not frustrated or angry you would not have posted such a sarcastic comment. No one who is totally okay with an idea would post such a response. Come on, you know as well as I do that you wish it was 500 years ago so the church can rule like it used to. Its obvious people like yourself hate the fact that people talk so outright against religion. You know as well as I do that you wish that would not happen. Cut the crap.  

The taste of my own medicine? Giving me a taste of my own medicine would be showing me scientific proof that God exists, since atheists rely so heavily on science. Hate to break it to you, you did not give me a taste of my own medicine. But whatever helps you sleep at night. 

[Man of Steel]

haha, sure. If you were not frustrated or angry you would not have posted such a sarcastic comment. No one who is totally okay with an idea would post such a response. Come on, you know as well as I do that you wish it was 500 years ago so the church can rule like it used to. Its obvious people like yourself hate the fact that people talk so outright against religion. You know as well as I do that you wish that would not happen. Cut the crap.  

The taste of my own medicine? Giving me a taste of my own medicine would be showing me scientific proof that God exists, since atheists rely so heavily on science. Hate to break it to you, you did not give me a taste of my own medicine. But whatever helps you sleep at night.  

I respond with far more sarcasm today because I've exhausted the sincerity and already know the end result.  The sincerity is still there....I've made that plain.  I just attempt to keep things brief today and just use more sarcasm and humor and generic replies.  The gospel message has been spread many, many times over by me.  You've made it plain you don't want it....so I don't give it anymore or keep it very, very limited for you.  How many times have I heard by you and others "MOS you don't need to be so serious....lighten up....have some fun.....have a sense of humor!"    

  

[SF1900]

I respond with far more sarcasm today because I've exhausted the sincerity and already know the end result.  The sincerity is still there....I've made that plain.  I just attempt to keep things brief today and just use more sarcasm and humor and generic replies.  The gospel message has been spread many, many times over by me.  You've made it plain you don't want it....so I don't give it anymore or keep it very, very limited for you.  How many times have I heard by you and others "MOS you don't need to be so serious....lighten up....have some fun.....have a sense of humor!"    

  

As AVXO said to you, just because you provide an answer it doesn't mean we have to accept, nor does it mean it has satisfied us. So, whenever you say, "I already gave an answer," I reply with, "So what?"

Discourse doesn't end because YOU feel like you gave a necessary answer. That is not how it works.

[tbombz]

Please provide me your evidence for #2.   Also please provide a natural, testable, repeatable platform that allows for complete demonstration of "communion with God" and the existence of "God" and "sin"; in addition, please provide distinguished, scientific peer reviews and publications of findings in distinguished scientific journals.

In addition, I demand a cogent definition of your "God" and all theological terms therein (ex: think of President Clinton asking to define the word "is").  I have never heard a single cogent definition so make every attempt to "WOW" me.

Please ignore the following: scripture, apologetics, emotional appeals, testimonies of believers, archeological findings, manuscript evidence and God's requirements.  What we demand is a "bottling" of the supernatural God in a natural, scientific testing environment so that we may see, touch, smell and taste him on our terms.

Once you satisfy this then I'll detail my other evidential yet fully subjective requirements.  When those are complete then I'll review the data, have my findings peer reviewed and then we'll talk.   Remember, this process is not about you.  It certainly isn't about "God".  It's about me.

[tbombz]

we should care about sin because sin separates us from God, and being in communion with God is the greatest pleasure in the universe.

I reject your God, so this means absolutely nothing to me. Its just sophistry.

SF... when i was 10 years old, i made better arguments against Christ than you are making now.
 

[SF1900]

SF... when i was 10 years old, i made better arguments against Christ than you are making now.
 

As if your argument that Satanic music made them  kill people is any better lol.

Pot meet kettle.

Of course I can come up with a better argument. But, like MOS, Id rather be sarcastic and troll.

PS - sure, when you were 10 years old you made better arguments  . you're not as smart as you think you are. If you were, you would have never dressed up in a bunny suit, posed half naked, posted pics on the internet, got arrested, and stole from your parents. 😂😃

[tbombz]

SF... please let me apologize for being somewhat argumentative with you...  I love you, man..

[Man of Steel]

I was just kidding there LOL!!  A little poke at our atheist counterparts.  

I'm on board with you brother!!

[Man of Steel]

As AVXO said to you, just because you provide an answer it doesn't mean we have to accept, nor does it mean it has satisfied us. So, whenever you say, "I already gave an answer," I reply with, "So what?"

Discourse doesn't end because YOU feel like you gave a necessary answer. That is not how it works.

Well on certain topics it kinda does because my answers have been given....those are my answers....they aren't changing.  Now, you're welcome to rephrase a question in hopes of a different answer, but unless the topic shifts the answers will be the same answers.  There's a lesson to be learned from Einstein in these moments.   I know my answers aren't accepted, liked, deemed "cogent", considered correct or sufficient.  None of that matters though because the old atheists or agnostics I'm replying to here aren't my audience.  They just pose the questions and objections....just glorified mouthpieces that create a platform.

My approach to atheists is changing though.  If you've spoken to me for years and years that means I've written and written and written and and answered and answered.  For those folks they're going to be directed to my old posts or a Google search because once an issue has been rehashed I'm probably not going to entertain it anymore unless the spirit leads me to do so.  If a thread is the same atheist and theist players I'm not gonna waste time....gonna be a lot of one liners and generics.  If it's new folks I'll definitely take the time, but I'll evaluate how they respond to me and remember that going forward.  If I give an exhaustive reply to a classic new atheist "red herring dump" and all I get is "TL/DR" or "not gonna respond to this" or "bull$*!t".....I'm basically done with that person going forward.  They've earned their membership to the short, generic replies club.

Again, I'm not concerned whether or not the atheists will accept my answers....I never....EVER.....expect they will.  Further the atheist can't discern the things of the spirit because the Holy Spirit is not in them.....even that statement is meaningless or considered foolishness to the atheist.  

I'm here to provide the other side for consideration by others that have not made choices. [<<<==== this sentence is probably all most would get]  Posted this more times than I have fingers and toes to count.  

I still reply to you more exhaustively at times because you do want to discuss.....feel privileged  ....you're one of the few LOL!!    We get heated and all that at times.  I've said stuff to you in the heat of discussion and vice versa.....I just try to be cool about things in the end.

[chaos]

Losing argument on both sides, colossal waste of time and energy.

[tbombz]

I was just kidding there LOL!!  A little poke at our atheist counterparts.  

I'm on board with you brother!!

I know, dude! 

I was crying over the fact that your post is actually representative of the reality concerning people who question God

[Man of Steel]

I know, dude! 

I was crying over the fact that your post is actually representative of the reality concerning people who question God

Sorry, sometimes I'm just flat out dense.  

[SF1900]

SF... please let me apologize for being somewhat argumentative with you...  I love you, man..

You can't love me like my parents or friends love me. Its erroneous to throw around the word "Love." In what context are you using the word "Love?"

[SF1900]

I know, dude!  

I was crying over the fact that your post is actually representative of the reality concerning people who question God

Yes, reality, we all live in it. Well, not you and MOS. 

[SF1900]

Well on certain topics it kinda does because my answers have been given....those are my answers....they aren't changing.  Now, you're welcome to rephrase a question in hopes of a different answer, but unless the topic shifts the answers will be the same answers.  There's a lesson to be learned from Einstein in these moments.   I know my answers aren't accepted, liked, deemed "cogent", considered correct or sufficient.  None of that matters though because the old atheists or agnostics I'm replying to here aren't my audience.  They just pose the questions and objections....just glorified mouthpieces that create a platform.

My approach to atheists is changing though.  If you've spoken to me for years and years that means I've written and written and written and and answered and answered.  For those folks they're going to be directed to my old posts or a Google search because once an issue has been rehashed I'm probably not going to entertain it anymore unless the spirit leads me to do so.  If a thread is the same atheist and theist players I'm not gonna waste time....gonna be a lot of one liners and generics.  If it's new folks I'll definitely take the time, but I'll evaluate how they respond to me and remember that going forward.  If I give an exhaustive reply to a classic new atheist "red herring dump" and all I get is "TL/DR" or "not gonna respond to this" or "bull$*!t".....I'm basically done with that person going forward.  They've earned their membership to the short, generic replies club.

Again, I'm not concerned whether or not the atheists will accept my answers....I never....EVER.....expect they will.  Further the atheist can't discern the things of the spirit because the Holy Spirit is not in them.....even that statement is meaningless or considered foolishness to the atheist.  

I'm here to provide the other side for consideration by others that have not made choices. [<<<==== this sentence is probably all most would get]  Posted this more times than I have fingers and toes to count.  

I still reply to you more exhaustively at times because you do want to discuss.....feel privileged  ....you're one of the few LOL!!    We get heated and all that at times.  I've said stuff to you in the heat of discussion and vice versa.....I just try to be cool about things in the end.

The same goes for the theist, never ever accepting an answer by an atheist.

Trust me, its not just atheists. 

[Man of Steel]

You can't love me like my parents or friends love me. Its erroneous to throw around the word "Love." In what context are you using the word "Love?"

It's a love that extends from a regenerated heart in Christ.  It's a love that extends beyond the love of ones family and friends.  It's not an intimate love like a love for family and friends, but it's a brotherly love that desires for the soul's of all men to be redeemed in Christ.  A love that desires for all to experience the love of Christ.  A love that desires for all to spend eternity in fellowship with one another in communion with Christ.  On the other hand, it's also a similar love that some experience in which they desire to express compassion and charity for their neighbors, their community, for the sick, the hurting, the abandoned.  As an unbeliever I did experience that type of love for others on occassion, but with Christ in me that love has swelled, it remains in me always and it grows.  It's a love that desires for me to pray for and lovingly consider those that ridicule me or would consider me an enemy.

[Man of Steel]

The same goes for the theist, never ever accepting an answer by an atheist.

Trust me, its not just atheists.  

I do this often and I can do it this case also....I can go through my post history and show plenty of examples in which I continually agree with atheists on both both topics of science and religion.  "Agreement" with atheists is a non-issue for me.  Sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't. 

What I don't do is enter into discussions with atheists with the notion that I will convert them or that they will agree with anything I say.  If they do then wonderful, but I have no expectation of that.

[Man of Steel]

Yes, reality, we all live in it. Well, not you and MOS. 

Agreed we all exist and live in reality, but we don't live according to your worldview.  

[tbombz]

You can't love me like my parents or friends love me. Its erroneous to throw around the word "Love." In what context are you using the word "Love?"

Very true, I cannot love you in exactly the same manner as someone else does.
I love you in the context of loving you: I love you.
I love you because you are a living, breathing, thinking, feeling, LOVING, human being created in the image of God.
And I care about you. I do not want you to suffer, or to feel pain, or to feel lonely or unloved.
I want you, my fellow human being,  to experience joy, and happiness, and love, and communion with God!
I want to spend eternity with you, rejoicing together in the presence of Jesus.
I love you!
 

[SF1900]

Very true, I cannot love you in exactly the same manner as someone else does.


Agreed.

I love you in the context of loving you: I love you.  I love you because you are a living, breathing, thinking, feeling, LOVING, human being created in the image of God.  And I care about you. I do not want you to suffer, or to feel pain, or to feel lonely or unloved.


We all suffer at some point in our life. Suffering and pain is inevitable. Life would be very boring without some amount of pain or suffering. Imagine if life was all just a smooth ride. How boring it would be.

I do not feel lonely or unloved at all. I have many strong connections with family and friends and feel very loved and close to them. But thanks.

I want you, my fellow human being,  to experience joy, and happiness, and love, and communion with God!

I experience joy and happiness and love without God. But thanks, anyway.

I want to spend eternity with you, rejoicing together in the presence of Jesus.  I love you!

Yeah, Ill pass on that.

[tbombz]

SF1900, would you really pass on eternal life in Heaven with Jesus Christ.. or are you just saying that because you don't believe in it?

[SF1900]

SF1900, would you really pass on eternal life in Heaven with Jesus Christ.. or are you just saying that because you don't believe in it?

Its an impossible question to answer. Thats assuming that a God exists. I can't answer that question because I do know if there is a God or not. If I die and I am faced with a "God" of some sort, then I will face that conflict when it is time. And when that time does come, I sure do have a lot of questions for this "God" that would perhaps help me decide where I want to go. Plus, it would also depend what God I am faced with. Whether its the Judeo-Christian God or Allah. Or perhaps its Thor or Zeus.

Anyway, thats like asking you, "If you found out tomorrow that there is 100% no God, would you reject your religion and faith?" To answer this question, you would need to suspend all of your beliefs and faith and assume you've been wrong. However, you cannot conceive that a God does not exist because in your eyes, all evidence points that he does. So, it would probably be impossible for you to answer that question, until you die and your faced with the Truth.

[tbombz]

Its an impossible question to answer. Thats assuming that a God exists. I can't answer that question because I do know if there is a God or not. If I die and I am faced with a "God" of some sort, then I will face that conflict when it is time. And when that time does come, I sure do have a lot of questions for this "God" that would perhaps help me decide where I want to go. Plus, it would also depend what God I am faced with. Whether its the Judeo-Christian God or Allah. Or perhaps its Thor or Zeus.

Anyway, thats like asking you, "If you found out tomorrow that there is 100% no God, would you reject your religion and faith?" To answer this question, you would need to suspend all of your beliefs and faith and assume you've been wrong. However, you cannot conceive that a God does not exist because in your eyes, all evidence points that he does. So, it would probably be impossible for you to answer that question, until you die and your faced with the Truth.

I can answer your question,  in fact. If I found out that there was no God, then I would absolutely reject my faith!

(that would be a very sad day)


If you were to meet Jesus face-to-face, what specific questions would you ask Him (assuming He wanted you to serve God in Heaven with Him for eternity) ?

[avxo]

I can answer your question,  in fact. If I found out that there was no God, then I would absolutely reject my faith!

If you were to find out there was no God, what would be left of your faith to reject? Nothing.

If you were to meet Jesus face-to-face, what specific questions would you ask Him (assuming He wanted you to serve God in Heaven with Him for eternity) ?

"Are you able to convince me that your story is true and that you aren't completely insane? Please start at the beginning by offering a consistent, rational and useful definition of God that allows me to distinguish him from, say, a rock."

[BigRo]

ready to answer any of your questions my dear brethren...