Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: anabolichalo on April 21, 2013, 09:57:46 AM
-
they pretty much confirmed to me that without at the very least one masters degree in engineering or computer science you cant expect to ever get a good salary
other useful things may obviously be doctor/lawyer
those foreigners with their flimsy one man businesses are probably making a lot more than any guy without a very solid education
-
Here's how you do it.
If you do get a college education, pick a good major that is practical, computer science is a fine choice.
Then, don't take out a lot of student loans, during college, be a cheapskate, work part time, sell drugs, don't take any vacations, do what you gotta do, but make sure you keep your student loans LOW.
Follow these 2 steps, and it is worth it.
And if you are hot, you can turn yourself into a ladyboy. Hot ladyboys can make big money fucking old dudes in the ass.
-
just be happy with who u r, its great to keep trying to better yourself n all with education n stuff but try to be happy n dont compare yourself to others. someones always gonna be built better,have more money, be better looking ect so dont torture yourself comparing to others
-
they pretty much confirmed to me that without at the very least one masters degree in engineering or computer science you cant expect to ever get a good salary
other useful things may obviously be doctor/lawyer
those foreigners with their flimsy one man businesses are probably making a lot more than any guy without a very solid education
Highly educated, highly paid people tend to be biased towards being highly educated... plenty of people with trade school under their belts making a very good living as contractors
-
just be happy with who u r, its great to keep trying to better yourself n all with education n stuff but try to be happy n dont compare yourself to others. someones always gonna be built better,have more money, be better looking ect so dont torture yourself comparing to others
i guess this is some truth
because once you realized you fucked up doesnt mean you can fix it unless you have a time travel machine to go back to 18 years old
-
You absolutely don't need a masters degree to make a decent living, that is nonsense.
-
they pretty much confirmed to me that without at the very least one masters degree in engineering or computer science you cant expect to ever get a good salary
other useful things may obviously be doctor/lawyer
those foreigners with their flimsy one man businesses are probably making a lot more than any guy without a very solid education
It depends on what you consider a good salary.
Don't be discouraged. I know people in Silicon Valley who make upwards of 6 figures in the engineering field with no high school diploma.
-
just be happy with who u r, its great to keep trying to better yourself n all with education n stuff but try to be happy n dont compare yourself to others. someones always gonna be built better,have more money, be better looking ect so dont torture yourself comparing to others
In the USA we are in a rat race. We MUST work our asses off, or else we will end up out on the streets.
In the land of the free, you really have to keep your momentum going and keep sharp, or else life will chew you up and spit you out.
Unless you're born into a wealthy family who takes care of you. Then you can just take it easy.
-
You absolutely don't need a masters degree to make a decent living, that is nonsense.
list some jobs that pay decent and dont require advanced education?
-
Highly educated, highly paid people tend to be biased towards being highly educated... plenty of people with trade school under their belts making a very good living as contractors
I know a guy who next to nothing about welding, went to school and a little over a year later is making over $40 an hour. There are good paying trades out there for sure.
-
You absolutely don't need a masters degree to make a decent living, that is nonsense.
exactly lol. that is ludicrous
-
i guess this is some truth
because once you realized you fucked up doesnt mean you can fix it unless you have a time travel machine to go back to 18 years old
its never to late to make things better
-
Here's how you do it.
If you do get a college education, pick a good major that is practical, computer science is a fine choice.
Then, don't take out a lot of student loans, during college, be a cheapskate, work part time, sell drugs, don't take any vacations, do what you gotta do, but make sure you keep your student loans LOW.
Follow these 2 steps, and it is worth it.
And if you are hot, you can turn yourself into a ladyboy. Hot ladyboys can make big money fucking old dudes in the ass.
Actually no it isn't. Poor job market for that degree in the US.
-
list some jobs that pay decent and dont require advanced education?
Welder
Electrician
Plumber
-
Welder, carpenter, painter, landscaper, window installer, glass blower, roofer, blacksmith, farmer, mason, tree cutter, tree stump removal, fisherman......
-
list some jobs that pay decent and dont require advanced education?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=highest+paying+jobs+with+just+a+bs
-
Highly educated, highly paid people tend to be biased towards being highly educated... plenty of people with trade school under their belts making a very good living as contractors
Def. My father had his own plumbing business and we lived very well. I am in the field now myself and you can make a killing if you are in with the right contractors
-
Welder
Electrician
Plumber
Yep. And look at the average age of these guys nationwide, many are well into their 50s. The demand for these trades will only increase in the future.
-
its never to late to make things better
they say that, but realistically, it think it actually is
get an education very late you will be far less attractive to hire than guy who has it right away
-
Best job without a degree.?
Web Developer
-
all true, my freinds who have trades all make great money. my one freind has a chimney/roofing company n made over 650 grand last year clear
-
Well I'm educated and in the engineering field and make good money but have friends who own/are partners in their own businesses and make much more than I do. Both barely finished high school. They work hard but don't work but 8-9 months per year. Their are still opportunities to make good money for uneducated people as long as you own the business.
A masters doesn't mean much more money in civil engineering IMO.
-
Don't go for huge money right away.
Shoot to make 35k per year at first, then improve from there.
Lots of people have unrealistic expectations of going out and making 6 figures in the first year.
-
100k+ a year is possible working for someone in good trade. 140k+ easily if you own a business with only a few employees.
i met a chem lab tech who left the lab for the jobsite a while ago, started his own steel stud+drywall business cleared 130k second year and very happy. kinda weird seeing a nerdy guy with glasses doing that sort of thing though lol..
-
Best job without a degree.?
Web Developer
I have a degree in web development. Don't work in the field any longer though. Work in production scheduling and purchasing.
Technically it's a diploma, not a degree, mind you.
-
I have a degree in web development. Don't work in the field any longer though. Work in production scheduling and purchasing.
interesting, i sometimes look at jobs like this
demand planning and procurement, same thing right?
baffles me how they are looking for people with 2 masters and an mba for jobs like this
are they that complex, or even that well paid?
-
I make nearly $100k/year, work 50 or 60 hours a week in a Midwest Auto Factory.
-
I think some people/companies may request a masters for junior positions that don't typically require it because so many kids are staying in school after getting their BS because the job market sucked.
Rather than having to begin paying their tuition off they stay in school and get the masters.
-
demand planning and procurement, same thing right?
Pretty much, yes.
are they that complex, or even that well paid?
Complexity would depend on the industry and production processes involved. I do fairly well in this field, especially considering the median income and cost of living in the area in which I live.
If I were younger and looking at entering the workforce, I most definitely would look at becoming a skilled tradesman. The money can be good and the demand is going to be there.
-
interesting, i sometimes look at jobs like this
demand planning and procurement, same thing right?
baffles me how they are looking for people with 2 masters and an mba for jobs like this
are they that complex, or even that well paid?
The thing is, it's mostly about personal drive. I think I would thrive anywhere because I am wired to figure out what I need to do to be successful then I do it. If I lost this job tomorrow I'd be looking into becoming an apprentice or journeyman in a field that is in demand and start over. I sense in your attitude the lack of desire to take the bull by the horns...
-
The thing is, it's mostly about personal drive. I think I would thrive anywhere because I am wired to figure out what I need to do to be successful then I do it. If I lost this job tomorrow I'd be looking into becoming an apprentice or journeyman in a field that is in demand and start over. I sense in your attitude the lack of desire to take the bull by the horns...
Same.
I have a friend who became a Millwright about 5 years and does very well for himself.
-
they pretty much confirmed to me that without at the very least one masters degree in engineering or computer science you cant expect to ever get a good salary
other useful things may obviously be doctor/lawyer
those foreigners with their flimsy one man businesses are probably making a lot more than any guy without a very solid education
night school
-
Welder
Electrician
Plumber
this.
I don't know what it's like where you live but in the developed world these people make good coin. You may need someone to take you in as an apprentice...look into it.
Edit: I guess it's been mentioned already. I'd stay away from welding cause of the smoke/high temperatures myself although there are protective measures.
-
night school
i'm actually doing that
but i think that even if i make it thru
the certificate will be little more than a jizz rag compared to all these fellas with masters and additional management courses
-
Getting a job is mostly about looking professional, being sharp, having charisma, persistence, team player attitude, initiative to learn and good work ethic.
Get all that stuff on point, and its more important than a degree.
Also networking is key, talk to lots of people and kiss ass to people who can hook you up with good jobs.
It's all about how you present yourself, who you know, and how you play your cards.
-
Bro these people aren't necessarily better than you, smarter, or more talented, all it is they have became part of systematic circles which allow them to have what they do materialistically, many of these people have performed acts which go against a moral mans code, the huge line of homosexual acts to gain promotion in the corporate world is a ritual that is going on and many don't realize it, most politicians and other industry upper eschelon circles are nothing but pipelines for disposable humans and shit that goes on a moral man would never do, it's real easy to become a sickle fance ass kissing schmoe to gain access to these socialite and money driven circles and industries, but it's more of a challenge for a person of high morale because the moral person wouldn't even entertain or do some of the things these people do to get where they are, once you've studied the illuminati you see the connection to so called successful people and the person who is an authentic good person, once you realize this schmoe network of bullshit you sleep better knowing your a good person and could never destroy a persons life with lies bribes back stabbing and acts that are not good, who's going to get promoted at the local engineering firm, the guy who takes orders and is willing to tell any lie a superior orders him to carry out, or the good guy who refuses to entertain any bullcrap, the little schmoe who lies and does what he's ordered to do, on the big picture and big scheme of things someone who is so called successful didn't get there in a honest way, many of these people have had to lie and do many things they would never share with someone bc the shame and shock that it would bring is unspeakable, if a hundred dollar bill is only worth the paper it's printed on, that makes that tea notes actual worth at about 4 cents, since its not backed by gold, so why choose to revel in the false and made up systematic world of material illusion, many of these schmoes your speaking of are the most ignorant and asleep people alive, who's going to be more powerful a man who thinks and has knowledge and is awake, or the schmoe bendin over the desk and being drunk on his cell phone computer and all the other technological trendy forms of distraction designed to destroy the human and the family unit, the man who thinks all day and who doesn't bu into the illusion, will be more powerful than the man who drinks all day getting drunk on materialistic illusory systematic forms of slavery.
-
seems like a lot of these conspiracy theories are just to comfort unsuccessful people
i dont know really
maybe i need to learn how to make pizza and start a pizza delivering business from my apartment
-
i used to feel that way until i worked with these "highly educated people" and realised they are just as bad as everyone else, they just are more pretentious
-
I know a guy who next to nothing about welding, went to school and a little over a year later is making over $40 an hour. There are good paying trades out there for sure.
you think thats good money eh?
-
you think thats good money eh?
The guys talking about selling pizza from his apartment so yeah, for him, that's good money, for you or I, not so much..
-
they pretty much confirmed to me that without at the very least one masters degree in engineering or computer science you cant expect to ever get a good salary
other useful things may obviously be doctor/lawyer
those foreigners with their flimsy one man businesses are probably making a lot more than any guy without a very solid education
Not a good idea anymore...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tucker-max/law-school_b_2713943.html
-
Here's how you do it.
If you do get a college education, pick a good major that is practical, computer science is a fine choice.
Then, don't take out a lot of student loans, during college, be a cheapskate, work part time, sell drugs, don't take any vacations, do what you gotta do, but make sure you keep your student loans LOW.
Follow these 2 steps, and it is worth it.
And if you are hot, you can turn yourself into a ladyboy. Hot ladyboys can make big money fucking old dudes in the ass.
Without special scholarships or wealthy parents, it is impossible NOT to take out loans. I got no help from my parents, I worked full time and went to college full time and I was a cheap skate and I still had to take out loans. Never went on vacations either.
Going to a university, not just a trade school or a community college, the tuition is far too high.
-
Welder
Electrician
Plumber
If by "decent" you mean 30-40 k a year then sure...But you have to own your own business. I know someone with their own plumbing business and they get a lot of work but bring in maybe 35k a year.
If you are any of these trades and work FOR someone then expect to bring in much less.
-
Don't go for huge money right away.
Shoot to make 35k per year at first, then improve from there.
Lots of people have unrealistic expectations of going out and making 6 figures in the first year.
35k is even unrealistic for MOST college graduates these days unless they have a computer science or biology or chemistry degree.
-
Getting a job is mostly about looking professional, being sharp, having charisma, persistence, team player attitude, initiative to learn and good work ethic.
Get all that stuff on point, and its more important than a degree.
Also networking is key, talk to lots of people and kiss ass to people who can hook you up with good jobs.
It's all about how you present yourself, who you know, and how you play your cards.
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong...
Getting a job today is about KNOWING THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
More than anything.
:-\
-
The guys talking about selling pizza from his apartment so yeah, for him, that's good money, for you or I, not so much..
For a guy in his position, yes.
You don't think so?
-
Is a success living up to what antiquated systems an standards really a successful life, do you gauge your success as a human on the value of a piece of paper made out of thin air to enslave humanity, being successful isn't about a material illusion if your a human and have never intentionally or maliciously set out to harm another for monetary gain or to get somewhere, and just doin people bad and all types of bad shit, then I would say that's a success
-
Is a success living up to what antiquated systems an standards really a successful life, do you gauge your success as a human on the value of a piece of paper made out of thin air to enslave humanity, being successful isn't about a material illusion if your a human and have never intentionally or maliciously set out to harm another for monetary gain or to get somewhere, and just doin people bad and all types of bad shit, then I would say that's a success
Indeed, people should learn something from you and measure success by how close they can get to looking like Krang's robot.
-
Bro these people aren't necessarily better than you, smarter, or more talented, all it is they have became part of systematic circles which allow them to have what they do materialistically, many of these people have performed acts which go against a moral mans code, the huge line of homosexual acts to gain promotion in the corporate world is a ritual that is going on and many don't realize it, most politicians and other industry upper eschelon circles are nothing but pipelines for disposable humans and shit that goes on a moral man would never do, it's real easy to become a sickle fance ass kissing schmoe to gain access to these socialite and money driven circles and industries, but it's more of a challenge for a person of high morale because the moral person wouldn't even entertain or do some of the things these people do to get where they are, once you've studied the illuminati you see the connection to so called successful people and the person who is an authentic good person, once you realize this schmoe network of bullshit you sleep better knowing your a good person and could never destroy a persons life with lies bribes back stabbing and acts that are not good, who's going to get promoted at the local engineering firm, the guy who takes orders and is willing to tell any lie a superior orders him to carry out, or the good guy who refuses to entertain any bullcrap, the little schmoe who lies and does what he's ordered to do, on the big picture and big scheme of things someone who is so called successful didn't get there in a honest way, many of these people have had to lie and do many things they would never share with someone bc the shame and shock that it would bring is unspeakable, if a hundred dollar bill is only worth the paper it's printed on, that makes that tea notes actual worth at about 4 cents, since its not backed by gold, so why choose to revel in the false and made up systematic world of material illusion, many of these schmoes your speaking of are the most ignorant and asleep people alive, who's going to be more powerful a man who thinks and has knowledge and is awake, or the schmoe bendin over the desk and being drunk on his cell phone computer and all the other technological trendy forms of distraction designed to destroy the human and the family unit, the man who thinks all day and who doesn't bu into the illusion, will be more powerful than the man who drinks all day getting drunk on materialistic illusory systematic forms of slavery.
This paragraph is almost as blocky as your physique.
-
For a guy in his position, yes.
You don't think so?
I think $40 an hour would be great for a guy thinking about selling chocolate milk powder as protein powder. $40 an hour for me is where I was a few years ago
-
OP, find a profession where it pays to well be a self-defeating whiny masochist and you're set.
-
Without special scholarships or wealthy parents, it is impossible NOT to take out loans. I got no help from my parents, I worked full time and went to college full time and I was a cheap skate and I still had to take out loans. Never went on vacations either.
Going to a university, not just a trade school or a community college, the tuition is far too high.
I got my degree and I only took out 7000$ in loans, got it paid off in a year and a half, no problem.
You just gotta stop being a consumerist, and only buy what you need. Most college students blow money on all kinds of bullshit, even though they claim they are being frugal.
-
Without special scholarships or wealthy parents, it is impossible NOT to take out loans. I got no help from my parents, I worked full time and went to college full time and I was a cheap skate and I still had to take out loans. Never went on vacations either.
Going to a university, not just a trade school or a community college, the tuition is far too high.
Well, there is joining the military.
If you're willing to get shot at for Uncle Sam, you can ge the post 9/11 GI-Bill.
-
Most people today think the only path is college. I would bet there are more successful people that don't have any college. It seems to me unless your diploma says outright this is the job you are qualified for it can be a waste of paper to have it.
Plumbers, Electricians, Counter top guys, some car mechanics and carpenters can make a really decent living. I know a hot dog guy that had a constant flow of cars to his little truck. Every body thinks he's making chump change but he is doing fantastic. Another guy has a small pizza store front and lives like a king in a 3000 sq ft house and a really nice car. There are so many other examples. College isn't the only path. Sometimes it's absolutely foolish to go into crazy debt for a piece of paper that has no value.
-
Most people today think the only path is college. I would bet there are more successful people that don't have any college. It seems to me unless your diploma says outright this is the job you are qualified for it can be a waste of paper to have it.
Plumbers, Electricians, Counter top guys, some car mechanics and carpenters can make a really decent living. I know a hot dog guy that had a constant flow of cars to his little truck. Every body thinks he's making chump change but he is doing fantastic. Another guy has a small pizza store front and lives like a king in a 3000 sq ft house and a really nice car. There are so many other examples. College isn't the only path. Sometimes it's absolutely foolish to go into crazy debt for a piece of paper that has no value.
i agree, some of my freinds that make BIG money dont even have high school diplomas, they r good at their trades n know how to rake in the cash
-
A woman I'm fucking right now has 100k in student loan debt and a master's degree. She's now making shit money, broke, and doesn't know what to do to get out of it.
I've also got tons of friends with 30-60k in debt, they can't pay it, lots of them defaulted, their wages are now being garnished and there's no running away from it.
Stay out of debt whatever you do. If you have to go into debt keep it below 10k $. When you meet enough college graduates, you realize they are not making any more money than then people without degrees.
But they are more knowledgeable, have broader horizons, and are more interesting to talk with. That's the real benefit of college, that it enlightens you a lot about the world.
-
seems like a lot of these conspiracy theories are just to comfort unsuccessful people
i dont know really
maybe i need to learn how to make pizza and start a pizza delivering business from my apartment
Cswol obviously has plenty of experience working in highly skilled professional environments, as he says, we all need to perform regular homosexual acts on our managers and sometimes Satanic rituals are involved.
I only have a worthless 2 year degree but I've made (low) 6 figures for the last few years, which puts me at lower middle class in this part of the bay area but it's still nice not to have to worry too much about money. I worked my ass off at something for 15 years and got pretty good at it, but also a huge part is knowing the right people and plain dumb luck
-
Whether or not you have a college degree (BS, Masters, Doctorate etc.) is not relevant. What is more important is that you target a career that keeps you happy and allows you to make good money with relative job security.
For instance, think of the following:
A sandhog (urban miner) in New York City makes around 100K with great benefits and a modified retirement outlook (I've heard they get to retire a little earlier due to their work-related exposure). You don't need a college degree for that.
Plumbers make great money when they have their own local businesses. Many times these individuals charge on a cash basis and make out like bandits (yearly income around 100K-150K, sometimes off the books).
Gardening contractors are also known for their great money and flexible work hours.
If you do go to college, target a career that will bring you both money and security. Consider becoming a doctor, nurse, veterinarian, pharmacist, accountant, engineer and/or a lawyer (stick to corporate law).
Remember, that just as they say there are two things certain in life (death and taxes), so as long as death remains a constant, you will always have sick people knocking at its door. With a world's worth of perpetually sick people, doctors, nurses, and pharmacists will always be in demand and so as long as taxes are an inevitability, accountants will always have a job.
Best of luck,
"1"
-
A woman I'm fucking right now has 100k in student loan debt and a master's degree. She's now making shit money, broke, and doesn't know what to do to get out of it.
I've also got tons of friends with 30-60k in debt, they can't pay it, lots of them defaulted, their wages are now being garnished and there's no running away from it.
Stay out of debt whatever you do. If you have to go into debt keep it below 10k $. When you meet enough college graduates, you realize they are not making any more money than then people without degrees.
But they are more knowledgeable, have broader horizons, and are more interesting to talk with. That's the real benefit of college, that it enlightens you a lot about the world.
A master's degree in WHAT, minority transsexual chicken clucking?
-
there are many phd and masters degree holders who are unemployed at the moment
-
Whether or not you have a college degree (BS, Masters, Doctorate etc.) is not relevant. What is more important is that you target a career that keeps you happy and allows you to make good money with relative job security.
For instance, think of the following:
A sandhog (urban miner) in New York City makes around 100K with great benefits and a modified retirement outlook (I've heard they get to retire a little earlier due to their work-related exposure). You don't need a college degree for that.
Plumbers make great money when they have their own local businesses. Many times these individuals charge on a cash basis and make out like bandits (yearly income around 100K-150K, sometimes off the books).
Gardening contractors are also known for their great money and flexible work hours.
If you do go to college, target a career that will bring you both money and security. Consider becoming a doctor, nurse, veterinarian, pharmacist, accountant, engineer and/or a lawyer (stick to corporate law).
Remember, that just as they say there are two things certain in life (death and taxes), so as long as death remains a constant, you will always have sick people knocking at its door. With a world's worth of perpetually sick people, doctors, nurses, and pharmacists will always be in demand and so as long as taxes are an inevitability, accountants will always have a job.
Best of luck,
"1"
I disagree with one part. You have the world by the balls if your job makes you happy. If it doesn't make sure it makes you enough money so you can enjoy your life when you are not at work. To many young people think they have to get into careers that entertain them. It's called work. I doubt the gastroenterology doctor thinks gee whiz I get to scope another ass hole today but when he drives away in his 150K car to his huge house it's all worth it.
-
I disagree with one part. You have the world by the balls if your job makes you happy. If it doesn't make sure it makes you enough money so you can enjoy your life when you are not at work. To many young people think they have to get into careers that entertain them. It's called work. I doubt the gastroenterology doctor thinks gee whiz I get to scope another ass hole today but when he drives away in his 150K car to his huge house it's all worth it.
Oldtimer,
I think you actually agree with everything I said. Take a look at the second sentence in that quote, happiness is a crucial element.
We are on the same page!
"1"
-
A master's degree in WHAT, minority transsexual chicken clucking?
She majored in film, she wanted to be part of the whole la movie scene when she was younger.
No she just wants to raise animals and be a farm girl.
Same story as lots of people. You decide a major when you are like 19, then ten years later you are a totally different person and wanna do something different.
-
Be an air traffic controller.
Benefits and crazy pay? No education required past highscool? OK.
-
You absolutely don't need a masters degree to make a decent living, that is nonsense.
X2
-
A woman I'm fucking right now has 100k in student loan debt and a master's degree. She's now making shit money, broke, and doesn't know what to do to get out of it.
I've also got tons of friends with 30-60k in debt, they can't pay it, lots of them defaulted, their wages are now being garnished and there's no running away from it.
Stay out of debt whatever you do. If you have to go into debt keep it below 10k $. When you meet enough college graduates, you realize they are not making any more money than then people without degrees.
But they are more knowledgeable, have broader horizons, and are more interesting to talk with. That's the real benefit of college, that it enlightens you a lot about the world.
Good post.
I went to college and now I want to work in a completely different field.
-
Yeah bullshit...you dont need an education to make good money!
-
I find recent college graduates have a chip on their shoulder. They feel a sense of entitlement to a 100k job as soon as they graduate. Generation nothingness doesn't want to do the hard yards.
-
I find recent college graduates have a chip on their shoulder. They feel a sense of entitlement to a 100k job as soon as they graduate. Generation nothingness doesn't want to do the hard yards.
I agree but it seems more and more that a college degree is now the high school diploma of the 50's and 60's. No one will hire you without it because the person interviewing you making 40K has their degree.
When my kids were in high school I would get mad when they would come home with college catalogs given by their guidance counselor for schools costing 40K a year. So many of these name Universities cost around 40K. I have 4 kids. I don't have 640K under a mattress in cash.
-
the op is making excuses
people that cast the blame on the system and make excuses are never successful
shape your own destiny
-
Welder
Electrician
Plumber
^this x 1000.
-
I really don't know why more people don't get into a skillet trade like the Union Ironworkers, boilermakers, electricians, pipefitters or millwrights, im a union Ironworker I make $37.70/hr and they paid me to go thru the apprenticeship. No such thing as student loans, plus I have great benefits, awesome annuity accounts and vacation funds, and great pension. We actually need more people in the industrial field right now it's so easy to learn. Honestly IMO the best trade is Boilermakers or electricians union which is what I'm in process of switching to. It's worth looking in to.
-
I really don't know why more people don't get into a skillet trade like the Union Ironworkers, boilermakers, electricians, pipefitters or millwrights, im a union Ironworker I make $37.70/hr and they paid me to go thru the apprenticeship. No such thing as student loans, plus I have great benefits, awesome annuity accounts and vacation funds, and great pension. We actually need more people in the industrial field right now it's so easy to learn. Honestly IMO the best trade is Boilermakers or electricians union which is what I'm in process of switching to. It's worth looking in to.
Any truth to those Union workers getting laid off quite a bit as they work their way up through the apprenticeship?
-
Any truth to those Union workers getting laid off quite a bit as they work their way up through the apprenticeship?
I've heard stories that members have to wait around (unpaid) while the union works its way down the list when there are more guys than jobs. Never been in a union so can't say if it's true.
I'm pro-union in theory but couldn't see sitting by the phone for very long waiting to hear from someone claiming to furter my interests while taking my money and telling me I'm not allowed to go put my skills to work without his say so. Haha, ok 'boss.'
Most union men I've met look like they could just about climb a flight of stairs if they had to, provided someone else ties their shoelaces because no way can they reach all the way down there. Never witnessed a union man holding a tool or discussing how to accomplish something productive. Every conversation I've heard these guys have consists of how they're going to cause someone headaches.
-
Any truth to those Union workers getting laid off quite a bit as they work their way up through the apprenticeship?
I can't speak for every local but if you're a good person and actually show up for work everyday then you'll stay working, there is lay offs but a person can stay working if they actually try a little bit. And then when you top out and finish the apprenticeship you can travel all over, which is what I've done, get to see alot of different places if you really want to and make good money at the same time, also has been really fun meeting new people and training at different gyms!
-
It's not very easy to start a trade. You have to essentially be hired in your desired trade, and then get your employer to sign the government papers. Most jobs here in Toronto are low wage service and manufacturing.
The influx of immigrants each year is making it really fucking difficult to find employment and keep it.
I went from getting a BA in Arts thinking of entering the work force doing some clerical work, but that shit never happened, and i ended up working continental night shifts in manufacturing doing all kinds of back breaking shit surrounded by Philippino, Indian, and Jamaican immigrants who barely speak english.
Then i started thinking i need to try harder and utilize my skills. Having done various residential construction work in the past i.e. painting, paving, drywall finishing, minor electrical work, i started my own business.
I printed several thousand flyers, handed them out via mail, and door to door, and the response was minimal, with most customers inquiring without serious intention. Also, the level of competition is fucking high. Desperate immigrants would operate in crews, undercutting your prices (major cause of a steady decline in workmanship btw).
Working under someone in construction, you don't get paid much but your work goes towards fattening up the bosses pocket. Now they hire so called "helpers", get them to do most of the work, and then get a certified electrician, plumber etc.. to sign off on the work.
That way subcontractors make more money all the while using and abusing desperate immigrants left and right.
Immigrant abuse is the name of the game here in Toronto. That's why i'm thinking of going out west to Alberta or Saskatchewan where the oil is.
I don't want to be rich, i just want enough to pay the bills and have a little savings at the end. That's proving to be quite the challenge.
...if you have a wife and kids, then you're in for some deep shit. Thank Buddah i don't have those responsibilities.
-
list some jobs that pay decent and dont require advanced education?
Whore, drug dealer, gay porn star..
-
I've heard stories that members have to wait around (unpaid) while the union works its way down the list when there are more guys than jobs. Never been in a union so can't say if it's true.
I'm pro-union in theory but couldn't see sitting by the phone for very long waiting to hear from someone claiming to furter my interests while taking my money and telling me I'm not allowed to go put my skills to work without his say so. Haha, ok 'boss.'
Most union men I've met look like they could just about climb a flight of stairs if they had to, provided someone else ties their shoelaces because no way can they reach all the way down there. Never witnessed a union man holding a tool or discussing how to accomplish something productive. Every conversation I've heard these guys have consists of how they're going to cause someone headaches.
Lol actually you're right in some aspects, I've been around alot of guys that show up for work and that's the most work they do all day, that's frustrating and annoying. Like I said in my last post about being layed off, if you're the type of guy that gets along with people and shows up each day then the boss' see that and they like to keep you working. There's plenty of fat lazy outta shape union guys that dnt do anything at work but then again there's alot of really smart hardworking guys too. BUT I will say this, When and IF you get into somethin like this, you'll probably start out in the range of $13-18/hr but that can go up pretty fast if you show that you wana be there
-
^^ I'm not sure how my reply was written inside the quote. I meant to just reply to what Tapeworm said
-
Def. My father had his own plumbing business and we lived very well. I am in the field now myself and you can make a killing if you are in with the right contractors
And where is your father now? Six feet under? That's where that road leads you, before your time. Heavy work = shortened life span..
-
^^ I'm not sure how my reply was written inside the quote. I meant to just reply to what Tapeworm said
That tells all about your education.. ::)
-
I deff agree with you Physcopath, the immigrants and illegals that come over and undercut are very annoying. I took several months off last year from the Union when I was trying to get a Maintenance job at a powerplant here and had to deal with alot of bullshit and then took a welding job at a factory for a few months before coming back to the union. I just pray that our economy doesn't get any worse but I don't wana get into that argument lol
-
That tells all about your education.. ::)
....yeah bc I don't spend much time on online forums hence why I don't have a ton of posts....I just read and learn on here really
-
It's not very easy to start a trade. You have to essentially be hired in your desired trade, and then get your employer to sign the government papers. Most jobs here in Toronto are low wage service and manufacturing.
The influx of immigrants each year is making it really fucking difficult to find employment and keep it.
I went from getting a BA in Arts thinking of entering the work force doing some clerical work, but that shit never happened, and i ended up working continental night shifts in manufacturing doing all kinds of back breaking shit surrounded by Philippino, Indian, and Jamaican immigrants who barely speak english.
Then i started thinking i need to try harder and utilize my skills. Having done various residential construction work in the past i.e. painting, paving, drywall finishing, minor electrical work, i started my own business.
I printed several thousand flyers, handed them out via mail, and door to door, and the response was minimal, with most customers inquiring without serious intention. Also, the level of competition is fucking high. Desperate immigrants would operate in crews, undercutting your prices (major cause of a steady decline in workmanship btw).
Working under someone in construction, you don't get paid much but your work goes towards fattening up the bosses pocket. Now they hire so called "helpers", get them to do most of the work, and then get a certified electrician, plumber etc.. to sign off on the work.
That way subcontractors make more money all the while using and abusing desperate immigrants left and right.
Immigrant abuse is the name of the game here in Toronto. That's why i'm thinking of going out west to Alberta or Saskatchewan where the oil is.
I don't want to be rich, i just want enough to pay the bills and have a little savings at the end. That's proving to be quite the challenge.
...if you have a wife and kids, then you're in for some deep shit. Thank Buddah i don't have those responsibilities.
I wouldn't live anywhere in Canada but Toronto but I know how hard it's getting to make it in the city. If you go anywhere you should try Vancouver. The city is kinda lame and people out there are lazy so coming from Toronto/Ontario we have a reputation for being hard workers. You will have no problem getting hired and getting an apprenticeship out there if that's what you're after. There's a lot of reno work out there so you could even do your own thing but you may have to fight with some towel heads. But overall much less competition.
Good luck!
-
I'm always amazed that on a bb website where bb takes dedication persistance and goals that there is so much of a helpless attitude among many of u. There r thousands of self made millionaires without PhDs or doctorates. Get ahold of yourselves. Maybe for those of u that r so helpless get off the Internet and start making and reaching goals.
-
It's not very easy to start a trade. You have to essentially be hired in your desired trade, and then get your employer to sign the government papers. Most jobs here in Toronto are low wage service and manufacturing.
The influx of immigrants each year is making it really fucking difficult to find employment and keep it.
I went from getting a BA in Arts thinking of entering the work force doing some clerical work, but that shit never happened, and i ended up working continental night shifts in manufacturing doing all kinds of back breaking shit surrounded by Philippino, Indian, and Jamaican immigrants who barely speak english.
Then i started thinking i need to try harder and utilize my skills. Having done various residential construction work in the past i.e. painting, paving, drywall finishing, minor electrical work, i started my own business.
I printed several thousand flyers, handed them out via mail, and door to door, and the response was minimal, with most customers inquiring without serious intention. Also, the level of competition is fucking high. Desperate immigrants would operate in crews, undercutting your prices (major cause of a steady decline in workmanship btw).
Working under someone in construction, you don't get paid much but your work goes towards fattening up the bosses pocket. Now they hire so called "helpers", get them to do most of the work, and then get a certified electrician, plumber etc.. to sign off on the work.
That way subcontractors make more money all the while using and abusing desperate immigrants left and right.
Immigrant abuse is the name of the game here in Toronto. That's why i'm thinking of going out west to Alberta or Saskatchewan where the oil is.
I don't want to be rich, i just want enough to pay the bills and have a little savings at the end. That's proving to be quite the challenge.
...if you have a wife and kids, then you're in for some deep shit. Thank Buddah i don't have those responsibilities.
I don't do much for homeowners unless they come to me by referral. I never advertise because it seems, from what I've heard, that most of the return on advertising investment consists of tirekickers and reverse auctioneers. I put it down to the fact that a HO is spending his own money, so he's going to break your ass on price and then bring out a magnifying glass. Understandable.
If I ever hit up the HO market I'd charge for the quote, payable on the spot, and with the understanding that the cost of the quote is deducted from the overall job price if they want to proceed. Unless there's some disincentive for people to just waste your day then they will. Client response to paying for a quote would also be a good way to vet those who are interested in good quality for real money, while those who pay for a quote grudgingly would be more likely to be sold on a leaner price that includes less bells and whistles. If they balk entirely, you don't want to work for them anyway.
I've had good luck finding nice budgets in municipal/ government maintenance work. Admin offices, schools, town halls, etc. Just working clean, being presentable, and doing a good job (not amazing, just good) puts you ahead of most of the competition.
Contracting to builders can be hit and miss. Sorting through them to find good ones has been a long road. I wouldn't recommend it if you've got other options.
-
I deff agree with you Physcopath, the immigrants and illegals that come over and undercut are very annoying. I took several months off last year from the Union when I was trying to get a Maintenance job at a powerplant here and had to deal with alot of bullshit and then took a welding job at a factory for a few months before coming back to the union. I just pray that our economy doesn't get any worse but I don't wana get into that argument lol
Fabricators here make insane money if you're getting into metal working. The employees probably not so much but the company. Guess they have to in order to pay off the cost of their machinery. Maybe it's just because there's so much mining work in my area but metalwork companies charge criminal amounts and ALL of them are booked solid. A small operator able to carry out basic operations would be a welcome option, and he'd be a rich man charging 1/4 of these companies' rates.
-
I agree but it seems more and more that a college degree is now the high school diploma of the 50's and 60's. No one will hire you without it because the person interviewing you making 40K has their degree.
When my kids were in high school I would get mad when they would come home with college catalogs given by their guidance counselor for schools costing 40K a year. So many of these name Universities cost around 40K. I have 4 kids. I don't have 640K under a mattress in cash.
That's too much for college, and most of that is room and board. When I was in school (early/mid 90s), about two-thirds of my college cost was just that. For 16 hours' worth of classes, a semester ran about $2500. Roughly $900 was room; and, $700 was the 19-meal plan. Fortunately, I had a full-ride scholarship to cover it all.
But, I think the whole 4-year college thing is becoming financially obsolete.
Make them stay home and go to junior/community college and work a part-time job.
Then, they can go to a full university/college part-time.
Don't fall for the names. A lot of kids go to a college with a big name and pricetag as well.
This may come as a culture shock, but (if you live near one) consider sending them to an HBCU (that is, historycally black college/university). Those institutions are smaller and the tuition cheaper.
And, there's also the military option.
-
I wouldn't live anywhere in Canada but Toronto but I know how hard it's getting to make it in the city. If you go anywhere you should try Vancouver. The city is kinda lame and people out there are lazy so coming from Toronto/Ontario we have a reputation for being hard workers. You will have no problem getting hired and getting an apprenticeship out there if that's what you're after. There's a lot of reno work out there so you could even do your own thing but you may have to fight with some towel heads. But overall much less competition.
Good luck!
Why wouldn't you want to live anywhere else in canada besides toronto?
-
Why wouldn't you want to live anywhere else in canada besides toronto?
Toronto is full of douches who want to live in a cosmopolitan city, and they think Toronto is more hip, more intelligent, and more classy then all the other Canadian cities.
It's basically like the LA of Canada. But it's not even that cool. For Canada its the best they have though.
-
Why wouldn't you want to live anywhere else in canada besides toronto?
ummmm
Just has everything I like...variety of women, food, clubs, entertainment.
Not so much of a small town kind of guy.
Only other decent "big" city in Canada imo is Montreal but my french sucks. I know you can get by with just English but you really need to know both to better your chances at succeeding in Quebec.
-
ummmm
Just has everything I like...variety of women, food, clubs, entertainment.
Not so much of a small town kind of guy.
Only other decent "big" city in Canada imo is Montreal but my french sucks. I know you can get by with just English but you really need to know both to better your chances at succeeding in Quebec.
Vancouver is awesome.
It's full of hippies and drugs, some people don't like that. But it's a world class city.
If I lived in Mexico north. I would live in Vancouver.
-
Vancouver is awesome.
It's full of hippies and drugs, some people don't like that. But it's a world class city.
If I lived in Mexico north. I would live in Vancouver.
Vancouver looks nice but it has nothing going for itself. All the bums from Canada move out there since the weather is mild and you're harassed for change at every single corner it gets old quick. Rains all the damn time and people are too high to go out and be sociable. Just not a good experience living out there...I could go on and on...
-
sales man. sales. I don't know anyone who doesnt make 100k+ and that is entry levels. I made 150k when I was 23. I'm 24 now. I hate sales and I hate my job blah blah. Actually, it isn't so bad but I'm an introvert and the only thing pushing me to do sales is the $$$. But, if you can stomach it, there is LOTS of money in sales.
You just need a bachelors degree and a couple years of experience doing SOMETHING, like anything, remotely related to talking to people and selling a service. If you can sell yourself in an interview, you got it.
Field(outside sales) reps for top tech companies average 250-750k a year, with 150-300 base. This is with 3-10 years experience. Keep in mind this is for the most desired positions at the very best companies. Most sales reps are usually stuck around the 100k mark, and 150-200k for experienced field sales reps Not bad. when you are 30 or 35 or whatever, go take a VP of Sales job or just start doing your own thing, like investments, real estate, whatever.
I'm looking to transfer to a finance gig though. And that needs lots of analytical graduate school work.
-
Vancouver looks nice but it has nothing going for itself. All the bums from Canada move out there since the weather is mild and you're harassed for change at every single corner it gets old quick. Rains all the damn time and people are too high to go out and be sociable. Just not a good experience living out there...I could go on and on...
That's the kind of place I like! Thats how the whole west coast of America is too. It's where you go if you just wanna relax and take it easy.
Better than being in the rat race.
-
That's the kind of place I like! Thats how the whole west coast of America is too. It's where you go if you just wanna relax and take it easy.
Better than being in the rat race.
To each his own.
-
I wouldn't live anywhere in Canada but Toronto but I know how hard it's getting to make it in the city. If you go anywhere you should try Vancouver. The city is kinda lame and people out there are lazy so coming from Toronto/Ontario we have a reputation for being hard workers. You will have no problem getting hired and getting an apprenticeship out there if that's what you're after. There's a lot of reno work out there so you could even do your own thing but you may have to fight with some towel heads. But overall much less competition.
Good luck!
wow you pick the biggest shit hole in the country, kool lol.
-
wow you pick the biggest shit hole in the country, kool lol.
Been over this hate for Toronto by other Canadians numerous times before. Many people happy living in butt fuck no where but not me. It's a vibrant city...only Montreal is at the same level for nightlife, culture, etc.
-
sales man. sales. I don't know anyone who doesnt make 100k+ and that is entry levels. I made 150k when I was 23. I'm 24 now. I hate sales and I hate my job blah blah. Actually, it isn't so bad but I'm an introvert and the only thing pushing me to do sales is the $$$. But, if you can stomach it, there is LOTS of money in sales.
You just need a bachelors degree and a couple years of experience doing SOMETHING, like anything, remotely related to talking to people and selling a service. If you can sell yourself in an interview, you got it.
Field(outside sales) reps for top tech companies average 250-750k a year, with 150-300 base. This is with 3-10 years experience. Keep in mind this is for the most desired positions at the very best companies. Most sales reps are usually stuck around the 100k mark, and 150-200k for experienced field sales reps Not bad. when you are 30 or 35 or whatever, go take a VP of Sales job or just start doing your own thing, like investments, real estate, whatever.
I'm looking to transfer to a finance gig though. And that needs lots of analytical graduate school work.
Hi Gordon Gecko.
-
sales man. sales. I don't know anyone who doesnt make 100k+ and that is entry levels. I made 150k when I was 23. I'm 24 now. I hate sales and I hate my job blah blah. Actually, it isn't so bad but I'm an introvert and the only thing pushing me to do sales is the $$$. But, if you can stomach it, there is LOTS of money in sales.
You just need a bachelors degree and a couple years of experience doing SOMETHING, like anything, remotely related to talking to people and selling a service. If you can sell yourself in an interview, you got it.
Field(outside sales) reps for top tech companies average 250-750k a year, with 150-300 base. This is with 3-10 years experience. Keep in mind this is for the most desired positions at the very best companies. Most sales reps are usually stuck around the 100k mark, and 150-200k for experienced field sales reps Not bad. when you are 30 or 35 or whatever, go take a VP of Sales job or just start doing your own thing, like investments, real estate, whatever.
I'm looking to transfer to a finance gig though. And that needs lots of analytical graduate school work.
Our field rep pulls in more annually than our GM.
-
Our field rep pulls in more annually than our GM.
So he should.
No sales = no company.
It's a tough racket..
-
So he should.
No sales = no company.
It's a tough racket..
It most definitely is.
-
Been over this hate for Toronto by other Canadians numerous times before. Many people happy living in butt fuck no where but not me. It's a vibrant city...only Montreal is at the same level for nightlife, culture, etc.
great nightlife lots of sluts ect too many nasty foreigners
-
great nightlife lots of sluts ect too many nasty foreigners
I've been to some smaller hick towns in Canada and met just as many nasty white trash. People in general can disgust me...doesn't matter where they're from.
-
list some jobs that pay decent and dont require advanced education?
My brother makes $250k+ as a mechanical engineer with a bachelor's degree
-
I've been to some smaller hick towns in Canada and met just as many nasty white trash. People in general can disgust me...doesn't matter where they're from.
GOOD POINT
-
My brother makes $250k+ as a mechanical engineer with a bachelor's degree
WTF BUDDY? I'M MEAN REALLY, WTF? GO FUCK YOURSELF.
-
Lotta money in 4 bar linkage.