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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: Princess L on May 10, 2006, 01:29:06 PM
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All of your answers are in these threads.
As with most advice, you will find contradictions.
You decide.
All future questions regarding Ephedra or Ephedrine HCL that are already answered in the following threads WILL BE DELETED.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69819.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=67383.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=51382.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=58483.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=63462.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=62151.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=57287.0
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The only thing that is not present is a warning...
Remember, Ephedrine is a powerful drug. It is not classed as addictive, but trust me it can be. Several years ago (over 7) I tried an ECA stack for the first time. At the time no one had worked out the idea of being off 1-2 days per week and not using for longer than 4 weeks without time off, etc...
Anyway, I built up a tolerance to Ephedrine and to Caffeine. After 3 months of continuous use (abuse), I was taking over 1000mg of Caffeine per day and about 400mg of Ephedrine per day... I never took a break... and there were days when I exceeded those amounts...
After over a year I tried to taper off the amounts but it was no use... without enough caffeine I had huge headaches and I found that without the ephedrine I couldn't concentrate... The end result was that I went cold turkey... NOT SMART... I crashed... I slept at least 12 hours per day for the next 3 months... and it took over a year for my body to recover...
ECA is an amazing fat burning stack, but abusing it is dangerous and can cause serious issues... as I stated this was years ago for me and I have used the stack since with great success... please read the advice on getbig and other sights and don't abuse it.
Cheers!
Wooo
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The only thing that is not present is a warning...
Remember, Ephedrine is a powerful drug. It is not classed as addictive, but trust me it can be. Several years ago (over 7) I tried an ECA stack for the first time. At the time no one had worked out the idea of being off 1-2 days per week and not using for longer than 4 weeks without time off, etc...
Anyway, I built up a tolerance to Ephedrine and to Caffeine. After 3 months of continuous use (abuse), I was taking over 1000mg of Caffeine per day and about 400mg of Ephedrine per day... I never took a break... and there were days when I exceeded those amounts...
After over a year I tried to taper off the amounts but it was no use... without enough caffeine I had huge headaches and I found that without the ephedrine I couldn't concentrate... The end result was that I went cold turkey... NOT SMART... I crashed... I slept at least 12 hours per day for the next 3 months... and it took over a year for my body to recover...
ECA is an amazing fat burning stack, but abusing it is dangerous and can cause serious issues... as I stated this was years ago for me and I have used the stack since with great success... please read the advice on getbig and other sights and don't abuse it.
Cheers!
Wooo
I went through the same withdrawls...I was honestly taking over 2000 mgs of ephedrine hcl a day. That is no lie...stupid I know...but true. I was taking those mini thin things that you can get at gas stations. I didn't start out at that dose it took several years to build up to it. I was working very long hours in a factory and I got hooked. I felt like absolute crap without it. I was finally able to kick that habit after my state passed a law that limited the amount you could buy,and also required you to sign for it.It took several weeks of misery before I felt normal again...I also slept all the time...getting out of bed was a real chore...and my metabolism crashed and I gained nearly 20 lbs very quickly.That stuff is potentially dangerous if abused.
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more than that.They came 100 per bottle and each pill was 25 mg I bought 2 bottles a day at the gas station...it is a wonder my kidneys work at all after something that stupid.
tollerance is the key word... it just stops having the same effect because the receptors shut down
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I just started back on ECA stack on May 29th. After low carbing (under 50 grams a day) for 2 weeks prior, the stack gave me the boost I needed to be jacked up again! Stepmill for an hour is a breeze compared to the previous 2 weeks. I have to up the intensity level now from 6 to 7 (under fat burn program). I don't abuse ECA. I take 3 servings/day at 24 grams of ephedrine, 200 grams of caffiene, and one bayer tab. I wish that they would have NEVER took the stuff off the shelves in the first place.
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I just started back on ECA stack on May 29th. After low carbing (under 50 grams a day) for 2 weeks prior, the stack gave me the boost I needed to be jacked up again! Stepmill for an hour is a breeze compared to the previous 2 weeks. I have to up the intensity level now from 6 to 7 (under fat burn program). I don't abuse ECA. I take 3 servings/day at 24 grams of ephedrine, 200 grams of caffiene, and one bayer tab. I wish that they would have NEVER took the stuff off the shelves in the first place.
You can still buy ephedrine hcl. The only stuff they pulled was the ephedra,or Mau Hung..which is the herbal version...They pulled it because as a dietary supplement the manufacturing could not be monitored by the fda.Ephedrine hcl is a pharmasuetical,therefore the fda can have some control over the manufacturing of it.Ephedrine hcl works better anyway,as far as a "speed" goes.
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The only thing that is not present is a warning...
Remember, Ephedrine is a powerful drug. It is not classed as addictive, but trust me it can be. Several years ago (over 7) I tried an ECA stack for the first time. At the time no one had worked out the idea of being off 1-2 days per week and not using for longer than 4 weeks without time off, etc...
Anyway, I built up a tolerance to Ephedrine and to Caffeine. After 3 months of continuous use (abuse), I was taking over 1000mg of Caffeine per day and about 400mg of Ephedrine per day... I never took a break... and there were days when I exceeded those amounts...
After over a year I tried to taper off the amounts but it was no use... without enough caffeine I had huge headaches and I found that without the ephedrine I couldn't concentrate... The end result was that I went cold turkey... NOT SMART... I crashed... I slept at least 12 hours per day for the next 3 months... and it took over a year for my body to recover...
ECA is an amazing fat burning stack, but abusing it is dangerous and can cause serious issues... as I stated this was years ago for me and I have used the stack since with great success... please read the advice on getbig and other sights and don't abuse it.
Cheers!
Wooo
No, it is not. Among catecholaminergic monoamines, ephedrine is one of the safest. It's sympathomimetic effects are four times less potent than that of dexamphetamine, and roughly sixteen times lower than dextro-methamhetamine hydrochloride.
There is no evidence that ephedrine raises systolic blood pressure considerably, nor that it induces vasocompression of capilaries on the central and peripheral nervous systems. It does not seem to increase intra-cranial pressure either. The metbolism of ephedrine is slow, and there lies the danger, as the curve to peak maximum lvel, of absorption, is much fster than the clearance rate, thus potentially raising it's plasma concentration to dangerous levels.
Ephedrine is biochemically and physiologically analagous to norepinephrine, a neuro-hormone used, by peripheral nerve endings, to signal vsocompression and contraction of actin myofibrils, by promoting the excretion of Calcium Ions from the peripherl neuronal dendrites and myofibril sarcoplasms. It differs structurally from more potent sympathomimetic amines, like the amphetamines, by having an Oxygen atom attached to the Carbon on it's second chiral center. This increases it's activation of beta-receptors, while conversely decreasing it's monoaminergic and especially dopaminergic effects.
By reducing ephedrine, where the Oxygen atom is replaced by one of Carbon, the new compound, desoxyephedrine(reduced ephedrine), comercially known as methamphetamine, has it's adrenergic effects increased several times - because the smaller molecule enters the alpha cells, of the adrenal glans, far more quickly, - and gains especificity to the D2DR dopaminergic receptors in neurons of both substantia nigra and pre-frontal cortex of the brain. This dramatically increases both the amplification of systolic and diastolic blood pressure and potential addictivness of the modified amine, while significantly decreases it's thermogenic and especially lipogenic effect.
When used in combination with caffeine, or other methylxantines, the lipogenic activity of alcoholic monoamines, like ephedrine, is dramatically enhanced, because methylxantines have the capacity to inhibit adenosine, which, once inhibited, blocks the activity of several prostaglandines which deactivate beta-receptors. Thus, the combination of methylxantines and alcoholic monoaminergic sympathomimetics, such as ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, phentermine, phenmetrazine or phendimetrazine, is synergistic. There is no evidence that methylxantines significantly increase the vasopressive effect and/or systolic blood pressure enhancing activity of monominergic sympathomimetics with weak noradrenergic action, such as ephedrine. In conclusion: the combination of ephedrine and caffeine is safe for most people, most of the time. Regards. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Not sure if this has been posted already, but the legal fight over the FDA ephedra ban is not over:
Ephedra Lawsuit News
May 11, 2006
"FDA Tries to Restore Ephedra Ban"
The FDA is appealing to a federal court to have the Ephedra ban upheld. A Utah judge has lifted the ban on dietary supplements containing low doses of ephedrine, a substance known to cause serious side effects. The FDA contends that this judge misunderstood the law and ignored scientific evidence about ephedra’s adverse effects on the body.
Ephedra has been linked to dozens of deaths and serious injuries including heart attack and high blood pressure. Two years ago, the Food And Drug Administration (FDA) banned the substance from weight loss supplements and other dietary aids.
Nutraceutical Corp. challenged the ban. Last year, a US District Judge in Utah ruled that the ban could not be enforced on products containing less than 10 milligrams of ephedrine.
The judge, Tena Campbell from Salt Lake City, determined that the FDA must prove ephedra poses side effect risks, as opposed to Nutraceutical having to prove the benefit of their ephedra supplements.
It is unclear whether the appeals judges will rule in favor of the FDA or Nutraceuticals in this legal battle over ephedra, a known danger to the human body.
http://www.ephedrine-news.com/html/ephedra-fda-ban.html
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2000mgs a day? Holy shit! Have you had your adrenal glands checked lately?
What you should've done was taper off the drug very slowly. The crash effect would've been minimal.
I agree.I tried that.I actually succeeded once by doing this.However I was dumb enough to start taking it again some time later.It did take me several years to build up to those idiotic doses,as I built a tolerance to it,it kept taking more and more to feel the speed buzz I was after. Stupid,I know,but I was very young and didn't care.If I could do it over I would never have touched that or any other crap,such as alcohol,because I am one of those people who get addicted to anything mind or mood altering.
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Not sure if this has been posted already, but the legal fight over the FDA ephedra ban is not over:
Ephedra Lawsuit News
May 11, 2006
"FDA Tries to Restore Ephedra Ban"
The FDA is appealing to a federal court to have the Ephedra ban upheld. A Utah judge has lifted the ban on dietary supplements containing low doses of ephedrine, a substance known to cause serious side effects. The FDA contends that this judge misunderstood the law and ignored scientific evidence about ephedra’s adverse effects on the body.
Ephedra has been linked to dozens of deaths and serious injuries including heart attack and high blood pressure. Two years ago, the Food And Drug Administration (FDA) banned the substance from weight loss supplements and other dietary aids.
Nutraceutical Corp. challenged the ban. Last year, a US District Judge in Utah ruled that the ban could not be enforced on products containing less than 10 milligrams of ephedrine.
The judge, Tena Campbell from Salt Lake City, determined that the FDA must prove ephedra poses side effect risks, as opposed to Nutraceutical having to prove the benefit of their ephedra supplements.
It is unclear whether the appeals judges will rule in favor of the FDA or Nutraceuticals in this legal battle over ephedra, a known danger to the human body.
http://www.ephedrine-news.com/html/ephedra-fda-ban.html
This is now old news, but the judge's ruling was overturned.
http://www.casewatch.org/fda/court/ephedra/utah2.shtml
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What is the best way to use ephedra, caffeine and aspirin? I was wondering about mg's, frequency and duration.
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25mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine and 81mg of aspirin.
You can get the ephedrine with a bottle of 'VasoPro' which is easily bought on BB.com. 200mg of caffiene with NoDoz which can be bought anywhere and same with the aspirin...Bayer or baby aspirin.
Take them all at the same time...wash it down in the early morning with a warm cup of GreenTea(sugar free). Then take a serving of BCAA's and a little bit of glutamine. Then hit cardio for 40 minutes striving to burn 100-120 calories every 10 minutes. BEFORE your breakfast in the morning.
Good luck.
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You don't need the aspirin
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I didnt use the aspirin either....I took Blocks dosage 3 times a day, wake up.....lunch (before cardio)...and preworkout.
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I didnt use the aspirin either....I took Blocks dosage 3 times a day, wake up.....lunch (before cardio)...and preworkout.
It's been a while...
I wouldn't use it 3x's a day. I would go twice daily...as soon as you wake up before your 40-45 minutes of quality cardio as you should be doing and 30 minutes before your lunch. It should be spaced 5-6 hours apart. Plan accordingly.
I would use it 6 days a week. Take Sundays off of it. Give the receptors and body a little break, if you will one day out of the week. 3 weeks ON and 1 full week of then repeat.
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It's been a while...
I wouldn't use it 3x's a day. I would go twice daily...as soon as you wake up before your 40-45 minutes of quality cardio as you should be doing and 30 minutes before your lunch. It should be spaced 5-6 hours apart. Plan accordingly.
I would use it 6 days a week. Take Sundays off of it. Give the receptors and body a little break, if you will one day out of the week. 3 weeks ON and 1 full week of then repeat.
45 minutes of cardio is a waste of time.
High intensity, 15 minutes.
You have to give your body a reason to lose fat.
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I think this is an excellent article written by "SuperNatural"...
http://www.musclescience.co.za/training/from_flab_to_fab.htm
Plus, why would you want to spend 45 minutes on the treadmill when you could only do 15 AND get better results :)
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What about days off? Should i take eph/coffee then too or only the workout days?
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What is the best way to use ephedra, caffeine and aspirin? I was wondering about mg's, frequency and duration.
In my opinion the 25 mg ephedrine is way too low.
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In my opinion the 25 mg ephedrine is way too low.
lay off the stuff for a few weeks, then you'll feel something.
i start at 12.5, then up to 25 after a while.
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So these are a good fit for an ECA stack? What does the ECA stack do to your heartrate, don't wan't to feel all freaked out all day.
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dont ever take more than 25mg in a 3-4 hour period, the stuff is potent and works even though you may not "feel" it. Great stuff when used properly.
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I think this is an excellent article written by "SuperNatural"...
http://www.musclescience.co.za/training/from_flab_to_fab.htm
Plus, why would you want to spend 45 minutes on the treadmill when you could only do 15 AND get better results :)
So basically this guy is saying almost every Pro is wrong in their cardio choices? I have spoken with Chick, Lee, Shawn Ray and many others and all are in unison by saying treadmill 30-45 minutes anywhere from 3.5 - 4.5 mph on treadmill on an empty stomach is ideal......
But again it is what works for you the individual.....
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Vasopro at www.a1supplements.com, 24 soft gels for 9.99.
Sweet thanks! I was looking at Lipodrene but didn't want to pay $30 for it. I've been doing a lot of research on ECA stacks and now i'm ready to take the plunge. After reading this it has given me quite a bit of insight on the pros and cons as well as how you should base your workouts in terms of side effects.
EDIT: Just did some number crunching and came up with this:
$13.50 VasoPro 24pills – 3x a day = 8 day supply.
$6.00 NoDoz 100pills – 3x a day = 33 day supply.
$5.00 Advil 80pills – 3x a day = 27 day supply.
You will need roughly 3 VasoPros if you use the three weeks on one off method, 1 NoDoz, 2 Advils which will run you well into the next month. That equates to $56.50/mo. Not including shipping if you buy online.
Now compare Lipo6 to that. BB.com has it listed for $27.49, add in shipping and you’re looking at roughly $33.00 for the bottle. It has 120 liqui-caps. For extreme fat loss, they say to take 2 pills 3 times a day. This would mean that bottle will last you 20 days. So you would have to buy another one which will stretch into part of next month and you’re facing $66.00. But, if you use the normal dosage which is two times a day you’re looking at that lasting you exactly 30 days. Which would be only $33.00/mo.
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ECA stack with or without aspirin for a natural?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=141767.0
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ECA stack with or without aspirin for a natural?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=141767.0
with is better i think.
Take low dose children's aspirine when you feel your blood pressure is going through the roof (headache). Be careful if you have a sensitive stomach though.
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Sweet thanks! I was looking at Lipodrene but didn't want to pay $30 for it. I've been doing a lot of research on ECA stacks and now i'm ready to take the plunge. After reading this it has given me quite a bit of insight on the pros and cons as well as how you should base your workouts in terms of side effects.
EDIT: Just did some number crunching and came up with this:
$13.50 VasoPro 24pills – 3x a day = 8 day supply.
$6.00 NoDoz 100pills – 3x a day = 33 day supply.
$5.00 Advil 80pills – 3x a day = 27 day supply.
You will need roughly 3 VasoPros if you use the three weeks on one off method, 1 NoDoz, 2 Advils which will run you well into the next month. That equates to $56.50/mo. Not including shipping if you buy online.
Now compare Lipo6 to that. BB.com has it listed for $27.49, add in shipping and you’re looking at roughly $33.00 for the bottle. It has 120 liqui-caps. For extreme fat loss, they say to take 2 pills 3 times a day. This would mean that bottle will last you 20 days. So you would have to buy another one which will stretch into part of next month and you’re facing $66.00. But, if you use the normal dosage which is two times a day you’re looking at that lasting you exactly 30 days. Which would be only $33.00/mo.
Why are you buying Advil? You need aspirin. Advil is ibuprofen.
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Why are you buying Advil? You need aspirin. Advil is ibuprofen.
Tired when I wrote that. I guess I should have typed "81mg Bayer".
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45 minutes of cardio is a waste of time.
High intensity, 15 minutes.
You have to give your body a reason to lose fat.
In 15 minutes you will burn mostly glycogen, not fat. Adipose is a "slow" fuel and you only start burning it after 20 minutes of exercise. One hour of moderate cardio will burn far more fat than 15 minutes of hardcore exercise. The latter is better to increase VO2 max, but not to burn fat. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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In 15 minutes you will burn mostly glycogen, not fat. Adipose is a "slow" fuel and you only start burning it after 20 minutes of exercise. One hour of moderate cardio will burn far more fat than 15 minutes of hardcore exercise. The latter is better to increase VO2 max, but not to burn fat. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Not true.
Fatburning starts from the first minute. In trained people, the energy is taken from fat, in not trained people from glycogen.
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I say jump rope for 5 minutes to get your body and heart really warmed up, then start sprints.
Yes, that is very intense.
Good idea is to mix sprints and medium speed running.
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Ephedrine Hydrochloride vs Ephedrine.....
any dif, is there any truth to the below statement?
Contrary to Popular Beliefs, NOT ALL EPHEDRINE IS CREATED EQUAL. Many weight loss products contain Ephedrine HCL. This is synthetic Ephedrine designed for Asthma relief. Many companies try to cash in on the weight loss market by selling Ephedrine HCL as a Weight Loss product.
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Ephedrine Hydrochloride vs Ephedrine.....
Ephedrine HCL vs ephedrine sulfate? or ephedra?
any dif, is there any truth to the below statement?
Contrary to Popular Beliefs, NOT ALL EPHEDRINE IS CREATED EQUAL. Many weight loss products contain Ephedrine HCL. This is synthetic pharmaceutical Ephedrine designed for Asthma relief. correct Many companies try to cash in on the weight loss market by selling Ephedrine HCL as a Weight Loss product. Because when combined with caffeine it works ;)
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I think they are comparing Ephedrine HCL (synthetic) to Ephedrine alkaloids? This is where I got that statement:
http://www.internationalsupplements.com/product_info.php?products_id=238 (http://www.internationalsupplements.com/product_info.php?products_id=238)
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This is where I got that statement:
http://www.internationalsupplements.com/product_info.php?products_id=238 (http://www.internationalsupplements.com/product_info.php?products_id=238)
I hope you're not considering ordering their overpriced crap, are you?
If you want an effective and inexpensive ECA stack that's just as good or better, go to Walgreens or CVS and buy the following:
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No, I just want someone to answer the question. ::)
Bronkaid is SULFATE. So does it matter if it is HCL, SULFATE or ALKALOID?
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No, I just want someone to answer the question. ::)
Bronkaid is SULFATE. So does it matter if it is HCL, SULFATE or ALKALOID?
Ephedrine sulphate and ephedrine HCL are pharmaceutical products and either will work fine... doesn't matter which one.
Ephedra alkaloids are herbal extracts... you're better off with one of the others.
Hope this helps.
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i just started an eca stack a few days ago...and i have been doign it three times daily as many said to on this site.
i am using bronkaid, ripped fuel EXTREME(lol), green tea extract, and bayer 81 mg..
dosages were one bronkaid(25mg ephedrine sulfate), two ripped fuel(a shitload of caffiene and other fat loss aiding herbs), two green tea extracts, and one bayer...
but i think i am going to start using it only once a day, which will be in the morning rigtht before i do my cardio on an empty stomach. and i think i will only do this 6 days a week.
i have an extremely addictive personality, a huge hatred of fat cells, and a history of checmical dependancy..so i need to be careful with anything that has a history of causing addiction, or abuse. especially in the area of personal fitness, and ESPECIALLY in the area of fat loss.
a good ole fashion diet with my weight training while doing cardio 2x daily as well works fantastic for fat loss anyways...as long as i dont cheat and dont skip cardio.
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25mg of ephedrine, 200mg caffeine and 81mg of aspirin.
You can get the ephedrine with a bottle of 'VasoPro' which is easily bought on BB.com. 200mg of caffiene with NoDoz which can be bought anywhere and same with the aspirin...Bayer or baby aspirin.
Take them all at the same time...wash it down in the early morning with a warm cup of GreenTea(sugar free). Then take a serving of BCAA's and a little bit of glutamine. Then hit cardio for 40 minutes striving to burn 100-120 calories every 10 minutes. BEFORE your breakfast in the morning.
Good luck.
Sound advice. For simple conversions 81mg = 1 baby aspirin, 200mg = 1 Vivarin, 25 mg of Ephedrine = 1 Bronkaid.
From www.drugstore.com = $30.47. Based on Blocks suggestion of twice per day that's a roughly a 1 month supply before you run out of Bronkaid.
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everyone keeps mentioning the ECA DIET as the thing to use these days. But what about ZENALEAN STACK? It seems to be just as strong if not stronger. Anyone tried it yet. Please let me know.
that is pretty much an eca stack...minus the aspirin and with a weak herbal form of ephedra
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heres my idea of an eca stack... green tea with hoodia, 25 mg ephedrine, stacker 2(200 mg caffeine), yohimbe hcl, 162 mg aspirin, l-carnitine, a menthol cigarette, and a few bcaa's... :D
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with the amount of cocaine and extacy i used to do... a little caffiene and ephedrine is probably not going to hurt me anymore. i actually dont even feel jacked up off that at all... it sucks. :(
Ephedrine and Yohimbine is a deadly mix.
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Ephedrine and Yohimbine is a deadly mix.
yep. Ephedrine alone doesn't do much to my BP but mixed with Yohimbe it went through the roof. 170 over 104
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with the amount of cocaine and extacy i used to do... a little caffiene and ephedrine is probably not going to hurt me anymore. i actually dont even feel jacked up off that at all... it sucks. :(
yep. Ephedrine alone doesn't do much to my BP but mixed with Yohimbe it went through the roof. 170 over 104
Add some heavy squats or deadlifts to the mix and you can kiss your ass goodbye with some luck in a single training. :-\ :-\
A gal at the gym just lost her husband to a heart attack. Coke, ephedra, and other stims were all part of his previous lifestyle. 29 years old! Left behind 3 little kids :'(
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it really depends.. i started out doing cocaine as just a pre-workout supplement..pretty fucking stupid, i know....but thats what i did...and iw oudl combine an 8 ball of coke with some ephedra and a couple redlines and go hit up a leg day or a back day...yeah my heart wiould get fucking pounding sometimes...even to the point where ig ot a bit scared...but im alive, and ive had SEVERAL different doctors and heart specialists check me out to make sure i didnt damage myself. (in rehab i told everyone about these exploits...and they all demanded me to go to a bunch of specialists to make sure i was okay.)
What made you think coke pre workout was a good idea.
BTW - why are you adding cigarettes to you ECA stack?
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Geranamine is better than ephedrine...Less sides and better fat burning effects...
Hey Gamma, thanks for the tip! been getting it for my clients and they are raving about it!
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Smoking has NO place in BB, especially not if you are on the juice and ECA. Candidizzle is too careless with his body and he will pay the price.
True, but nicotine has several ergogenic properties. I recommend nicotine for everyone. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
P.S: I had to remove your personal insult. Sorry.
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True, but nicotine has several ergogenic properties. I recommend nicotine for everyone. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
P.S: I had to remove your personal insult. Sorry.
do you cycle the patches or do you take the gum?
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do you cycle the patches or do you take the gum?
Gum. Why would I use patches, since they are far more messy and clumsy to use?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Nicotine is the best thing there is for stronger muscular contraction and lipolysis. Caffeine + ephedrine + aspirin is stronger but increases the risk of stroke far more than nicotine alone - and that's saying something, because nicotine is pretty good at causing strokes -, so I don't recommend it. Also, nicotine is neuroprotective at the low doses that stimulate stronger muscular contractions although neurotoxic at high doses.
Nicotine
Ephedrine
Caffeine
Alkaloids rule!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I would NOT recommend stacking yohimbine with ECA.
Here's the problem: the eca stack works by stimulating beta-receptor sites, and yohimbine works by suppressing alpha-receptor sites. It isn't just fat cells that have these receptor sites--your heart does too. If you take these supplements at the same time, you are sort of pushing the gas and the brake at the same time (as Lyle McDonald has put it). Your heartrate and blood pressure could skyrocket.
Here are a couple of my articles on Yohimbine and ECA:
Yohimbine:
http://www.strongandfit.net/2009/04/yohimbine-hcl-and-stubborn-fat.html
ECA:
http://www.strongandfit.net/2009/08/eca-stack-ephedrine-caffeine-aspirin.html
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I would NOT recommend stacking yohimbine with ECA.
Here's the problem: the eca stack works by stimulating beta-receptor sites, and yohimbine works by suppressing alpha-receptor sites. It isn't just fat cells that have these receptor sites--your heart does too. If you take these supplements at the same time, you are sort of pushing the gas and the brake at the same time (as Lyle McDonald has put it). Your heartrate and blood pressure could skyrocket.
Here are a couple of my articles on Yohimbine and ECA:
Yohimbine:
http://www.strongandfit.net/2009/04/yohimbine-hcl-and-stubborn-fat.html
ECA:
http://www.strongandfit.net/2009/08/eca-stack-ephedrine-caffeine-aspirin.html
thanks a lot for emphasizing this again. It's really a problem that people carelessly mix all sorts of medical drugs without really knowing what they are doing.
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I am somewhat concerned about this substance. The supplements I am taking is known to have it and I am really wondering if it is still okay to take it. Thanks for this, will take me time to read everything though.
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I am somewhat concerned about this substance. The supplements I am taking is known to have it and I am really wondering if it is still okay to take it. Thanks for this, will take me time to read everything though.
yes it is safe and a life saver for many with asthma/allergies.
Just take it properly and avoid it if you have heart issues, on beta blockers.
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Thanks for the information...I've been after this stuff since 2005!!!
I'm looking forward to my workouts going through the ROOF!!!!!
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So these are a good fit for an ECA stack? What does the ECA stack do to your heartrate, don't wan't to feel all freaked out all day.
It definitely raises your heart rate but unless you have a heart condition I don't think that its to a dangerous level
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I miss the old days :'(
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I miss the old days :'(
"Original" ephedra?
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"Original" ephedra?
:'(
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:'(
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I had a friend who competed in the Jr. Nationals years ago.
She "lived" on ECA to get through the day, and swore up & down that it melted fat off her better than Clen.
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A gal at the gym just lost her husband to a heart attack. Coke, ephedra, and other stims were all part of his previous lifestyle. 29 years old! Left behind 3 little kids :'(
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Who the hell does COKE while having 3 kids, IMHO this dude was going to expire on the family no matter what...
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anyone ever try ephedra tea? Is the ephedra legit b/c they sell it at my gym.
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anyone ever try ephedra tea? Is the ephedra legit b/c they sell it at my gym.
Don't do it, you can not impossibly know how the amount of alkaloids you get from the tea.
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I just started back on ECA stack on May 29th. After low carbing (under 50 grams a day) for 2 weeks prior, the stack gave me the boost I needed to be jacked up again! Stepmill for an hour is a breeze compared to the previous 2 weeks. I have to up the intensity level now from 6 to 7 (under fat burn program). I don't abuse ECA. I take 3 servings/day at 24 grams of ephedrine, 200 grams of caffiene, and one bayer tab. I wish that they would have NEVER took the stuff off the shelves in the first place.
Im using it now ECA..I take 25mgs E,200mgs C & 81mgs Aspirin. 2x's per day ( First thing in the morning & either mid afternoon/pre workout).
I have heard it should be 3x's a day. But im fine with 2.good clean energy.I dont like over doing things.I keep it simple and safe along with good diet.