Hormones and intense excercise builds muscle

[joswift]

A nerve block would stop the pain.

That has nothing to do with your original gaff

[wes]

I have not been in a drug induced stupor since a phish show in college 25 years ago. I have not had a pain killer since last July when prescribed. I don't even drink. I limit myself to one caffeinated beverage a day.  I quit marijuana years ago and only use legal cannabis products which are nowhere near as strong. I also gave up real bacon and sausage in the mornings for turkey bacon and hashbrowns, and I switched from Ribeye to New York as I am reducing my animal fat consumption. I am contest ready now.

You use Cannibas....nevermind fuckhead,I`m not doing this shit for 3 more years again with your dumb ass. 

[joswift]

I have not been in a drug induced stupor since a phish show in college 25 years ago. I have not had a pain killer since last July when prescribed. I don't even drink. I limit myself to one caffeinated beverage a day.  I quit marijuana years ago and only use legal cannabis products which are nowhere near as strong. I also gave up real bacon and sausage in the mornings for turkey bacon and hashbrowns, and I switched from Ribeye to New York as I am reducing my animal fat consumption. I am contest ready now.

You were seeing cartoon dogs this time last year, or was that a lie you have forgotten about?

[IroNat]

I didn't say I was going to make the cover of GQ magazine. I said I had some a hair on my head.

[wes]

If you`re contest ready, and no doctor in the known free world who cannot perform miracles can fix your pec,jump into the Masters Nats.....you need a good wake up call to humble you,and I could use a good laugh.

[Van_Bilderass]

You`re not a very smart person after all,not that you haven`t proved that on many occasions, but now you're just being plain old fucking stupid.

Have fun in your next drug induced stupor.....in the meantime,in between time,I`ll be training like a demon and eating like a Spartan.

"They" said Nubain actually helped a lot, at least in the beginning. Made you'd be able to train with a lot more intensity, although Nasser said these people on Nubain trained like granmas, but the pot
ential is there for it to help. In the begining as I said.

Last workout I only did a couple of sets of leg presses and leg extensions each. I got that intense burn you will get when doing high rep leg extensions to failure, and it didn't let up for like 10 minutes, nothing I did helped, standing, sitting down, whatever, it was intense. Would have like to get in the shower to shoot my legs with cold water but I was immobilized. As I was laying on the floor in absolute hell lol, and as my partner asked me if he could help in any way as I was telling him as I complained of intens epain that didn't let up lol, I wondered in my mind if a shot of Nubain preworkout would have helped? Probably not I figured.  My partner had Tramadol and Ibuprofen but I said that would take at least 30 minutes to even start working. Would a shot of Nubain either preworkout or in that very moment help? But the thing is if it DID help I might have pushed myself into rhabdomyolysis or death LOL. There is that possibility even with something like "DADA" or something like that, according to Alex Kikel, I can't find what it refers to. Anyone, maybe bhanks since he has delved into research chems?

[wes]

Crazy stuff Van.....Vitamin C will aid in recovery. 

[Van_Bilderass]

I quit marijuana years ago and only use legal cannabis products which are nowhere near as strong.

I only tried something called HHC-O and that was nearly identical to weed. And I had regular weed at the same time I bought that HHC vape pen. They say delta-8 is basically the same as regular weed as it converts to THC at combustion, so I don't buy that " weaker" claim

[joswift]

I have not been in a drug induced stupor since a phish show in college 25 years ago. I have not had a pain killer since last July when prescribed. I don't even drink. I limit myself to one caffeinated beverage a day.  I quit marijuana years ago and only use legal cannabis products which are nowhere near as strong. I also gave up real bacon and sausage in the mornings for turkey bacon and hashbrowns, and I switched from Ribeye to New York as I am reducing my animal fat consumption. I am contest ready now.

Does your "legal cannabis" contain THC?
You have dropped 25lb since your last show three weeks ago?

[bhank]

I only tried something called HHC-O and that was nearly identical to weed. And I had regular weed at the same time I bought that HHC vape pen. They say delta-8 is basically the same as regular weed as it converts to THC at combustion, so I don't buy that " weaker" claim

This is incorrect THC-A turns into THC upon combustion. Delta 8 is a type of THC the type that is illegal in some states is Delta 9. Delta 8 is absolutely much milder than Delta 9. HHC-O is completely lab created unlike delta 8 and THC-A which are naturally occurring in hemp. THC-A is considered the closest to Delta 9 however again it is not as strong.

So yes legal cannabanoids are weaker however close enough without the headache of legal issues.

[Van_Bilderass]

This is incorrect THC-A turns into THC upon combustion. Delta 8 is a type of THC the type that is illegal in some states is Delta 9. Delta 8 is absolutely much milder than Delta 9. HHC-O is completely lab created unlike delta 8 and THC-A which are naturally occurring in hemp. THC-A is considered the closest to Delta 9 however again it is not as strong.

So yes legal cannabanoids are weaker however close enough without the headache of legal issues.

Ah, must haven been the Delta-9 I was reading about?

The Delta-8 is NOT cannabis or hemp extracted as it's not SIGNIFICANTLY found in either of those so it's a synthetic product synthesized in a lab that is in those products. The hemp flowers are most likely sprayed with synthetic delta-8 or delta-9 or THC-A. BTW, there are over 100 variants of cannabinoids found in cannabis. Is delta-8 "natural," well it's for everyone to decide for themselves. There have also been some adverse effects. I know defenders will claim it simply involved involuntary intoxication which is naturally alarming to the uninitiated.
The pure CBD found in products is not extracted from hemp either, it's a lab animal.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/5-things-know-about-delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol-delta-8-thc

Might try the THC-A only because it can be consumed through vape pens publicly without a cannabis odor.

[bhank]

Ah, must haven been the Delta-9 I was reading about?

The Delta-8 is NOT cannabis or hemp extracted as it's not SIGNIFICANTLY found in either of those so it's a synthetic product synthesized in a lab that is in those products. The hemp flowers are most likely sprayed with synthetic delta-8 or delta-9 or THC-A. BTW, there are over 100 variants of cannabinoids found in cannabis. Is delta-8 "natural," well it's for everyone to decide for themselves. There have also been some adverse effects. I know defenders will claim it simply involved involuntary intoxication which is naturally alarming to the uninitiated.
The pure CBD found in products is not extracted from hemp either, it's a lab animal.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/5-things-know-about-delta-8-tetrahydrocannabinol-delta-8-thc

Might try the THC-A only because it can be consumed through vape pens publicly without a cannabis odor.

Oh yeah vape pens are the way to go. Get a cannabinoid mix with thc-a and thc-p delta 8 and live resin. What they are finding is each cannabinoid has unique properties a mix is best.

[Krankenstein]

What effect does weed have on your pain ?? IME, and some others, it can actually affect how pain "reverberates" increasing pain or emotional processing of that pain or any pain like in emotional pain, trauma etc. But I know many also say it decreases pain in a big way. Opiates and opioids decrease the sensation of pain numbing you emotionally, unlike weed. Some say they don't decrease pain exactly, just the "caring" about it so to say. Many specialists say opiates shouldn't be used in back pain, especially long term as they also increase pain eventually, actually sensitizing your pain receptors. I was looking at treatments for back pain, something affectin me right now in a big way, not lower back but up between my shoulders, possible hernia, waiting for a xray appointment right now. Docs were discouraging me about xrays or MRIs because "we actually don't, and can't, do much wrt to back pain, except surgery in some cases but they will most likely not operate on you anyway."

Xrays won't show anything for hernia.   If it is between your shoulder blades, one of the things to look at is the cervical region.  Referral pain from mid spine is very common.  C4 - C6 most likely.  What those guys say about back pain is right.  They don't know how handle it unless it is through surgery or pharma.  In addition, the likelyhood of a fusion helping is being shown to be less and less.  The fuse two segments and the resulting compensatory degeneration is accelerated.

Regarding chronic pain....one of the things that can happen is the brain gets so used to being in pain that even if the tissues become healed, the brain still thinks the area is damaged and the pain centers light up.  If there truly is damage that isn't healing (for example a disc that has turned from just a herniation to extrusion) that disc emits cytokines which tell the body there is damage, this in turn causes more release of the neuropeptide substance P (p for pain...literally).  Substance P has been implicated in the the initiation of the addictive response to opioids.   So, in a way its a double edge sword.

[bhank]

I will say this is correct once your body gets used to opioids it will create pain that isn't there to get opioids again a reason to be an adult and take 1-2 painkillers when needed for everyday function. Once the pain is no longer acute drop the opioids and stick to cannabis.

But if used as an adult you will not have issues mankind has been safely using opioids for thousands of years. No one said to have no self control and take it until you get sick. But taking a pain killer when your back hurts is not going to turn you into a heroin junky.

[Krankenstein]

A nerve block would stop the pain without curing the underlying issue. A pain killer numbs the pain without curing the underlying issue. You can still feel pain on opioids it is just more manageable.

Incorrect on so many counts.  Medial branch blocks have a 50% (at best) success rate.  Why do you think insurance companies limit you to three a year? 

Understanding the cause of the pain is the tricky part.  You sit here and complain about how bad you back is...how you have to take a painkiller every workout...talk about how you have to do all these therapies and interventions to manage it...but don't stop to think that your training is absolutely, without question, exacerbating it.  There is plenty of evidence that carrying higher bodyweight (re read that brian...I said bodyweight...meaning in general) is something that can cause back pain.

[bhank]

Incorrect on so many counts.  Medial branch blocks have a 50% (at best) success rate.  Why do you think insurance companies limit you to three a year? 

Understanding the cause of the pain is the tricky part.  You sit here and complain about how bad you back is...how you have to take a painkiller every workout...talk about how you have to do all these therapies and interventions to manage it...but don't stop to think that your training is absolutely, without question, exacerbating it.  There is plenty of evidence that carrying higher bodyweight (re read that brian...I said bodyweight...meaning in general) is something that can cause back pain.

Never said that. I have not taken a pain killer since last July. Meanwhile I work out eod at a minimum. I am not carrying dead bodyweight adding muscle protects your lower back and knees.

[Never1AShow]

I've not had a pain killer in over a year.

I haven't had an opiate since last summer.

The name of this thread should be changed to "The Thread that proves Hankins is a liar and a drug addict".  He better hope Dr. Hamburger chest doesn't see all this drug talk, he'll abandon his plan to fleece him and run for the hills so as not to get mixed up with him and his lying schemes.

[Krankenstein]

Never said that. I have not taken a pain killer since last July. Meanwhile I work out eod at a minimum. I am not carrying dead bodyweight adding muscle protects your lower back and knees.

I never said dead bodyweight....you persist on "trying" to get bigger.  Something your body doesn't WANT to do, thus your need for more and more of whatever the fuck you take.  If adding this muscle protects your low back, why the fuck are you complaining about how bad your back is?  There's some logic.

Being strong in the midline will help with stability...there's no doubt.   You loading up the bar to levels you can't handle for a squat is NOT the thing to do for a back that is as bad as you say it is....let alone for your titanium knees. 

You said (again in an unequivocal manner) that a nerve block would stop the pain.  So, once again...you are wrong.  Something you have a penchant for being.

Why are you avoiding the point Joe made about your cartoon dog episode recently?  Was that because you were "medically too lean"?

[Never1AShow]

His brain is addled from all the drugs, he forgets how many reps by rep 11.  He brags about a great comeback from having hernia surgery 6 months ago, then claims no pain killers in  over a year.

[Raymondo]

His brain is addled from all the drugs, he forgets how many reps by rep 11.  He brags about a great comeback from having hernia surgery 6 months ago, then claims no pain killers in  over a year.

What drugs, Brian takes no drugs.

Testosterone is not a steroid.
Tramadol is not an opioid.
delta-8 is not weed.

[Never1AShow]

It's growing again.

1. "sheared from the bone Tricep"
2. Restless Leg syndrome
3. Shaky hands from childhood
4. Bone on Bone knees and surgeries (Titanium/adamantium rods)
5. Torn right pec ("missing half a pec"; "a Chronic pec tear. I first tore it at 25 years old. I then tore it again at 40 and 43. The thing with Chronic pec tears is they keep happening")
6. Surgical re-attachment of right tricep
7. 3 Shoulder surgeries, one on the right side the other 2 were on the left side.
8. Cut bicep tendon from a shoulder surgery
9. Barrett’s esophagus
10. Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD)
11. Crohnes disease
12. Bile reflux
13. Hiatal hernia
14. Umbilical hernia
15. Polyps and cyst (pre-cancerous)
16. Bleeding ulcer
17. Bloody shits, nausea and indigestion and vomiting
18. shin splints in the forearms
19. magnesium and other mineral deficiencies
20. Stingray puncture of left or right foot (he can't remember, see dementia below and "225x15" and 7=10-11)
21. Anemia
22. Anxiety
23. Depression
24. Arthritis
25. Something with the neck from demolition derby (whiplash)
26. ACUTE Organ failure hacking up bile
27. Dementia/Alzheimers (possibly vaping induced)
28. Anorexia
29. "precancerous polyps and cyst throughout digestive system"
30. 2 Herniated bulging disc one lower back and one in the neck possibly causing nerve damage and atrophy on the right arm
31. Astigmatism
32. Broken toe from hopping out of bed
33. Possibly Infected veinless cutless bicep
34. Thrombosed Hemorrhoid
35. Missing esophageal sphincter
36. Male pattern baldness
37.  Erectile dysfunction
38.  Hands and arms completely numb in sleep
39.  Bulimia
40.  Agoraphobia  (not Agorgophobia though)
41.  Lactose Intolerant
42.  Baker's cyst
43.  Cleggian shoulder dislocation
44.  Two-step "sliding knee"
45.  "temporary Injury in the quad" (as of 6/28/23)
46.  Throwing up in the morning (daily ritual before dbol breakfast)
47.  Insomnia due to left shoulder aches
48.  Legs still don't bend right
49.  Starvation requiring midnight cooking meals
50.  can’t hear out of left ear and there is a constant ringing
51.  minor tendon strain pull in the right arm
52.  Sore throat
53.  Debilitating sunburn
54.  110 resting heartrate after coffee
55.  Bench press shakes from Adrenalin or Sugar Imbalance
56.  Elevated liver enzymes and high Hematocrit
57.  Pituitary gland doesn’t seem to be making anything
58.  Tennis elbow/stress fracture
59.  Tweaked right bicep from setting denied World Record Strict Curling in wrong weight class
60.  Red area around the [hernia operation] wound with some yellow puss and a swollen lymph node
61.  Infected hernia side incisions
62.  2 cm meniscus tear
63.  Tennis elbow requiring cortisone injections every 6 months for 2 years
64.  Delts have been dislocated and they do not sit the same in the joint. One is always rolled forward and the other is always rolled backward.
65.  abs hurt when he coughs
66.   foreign objected surgically implanted into abdomen
67.  Acute abdomen pain forcing two day break in post-surgery comeback training
68.  Medically too lean
69. sick the last few mornings with acid reflux in ndigestuin and no appetite (sic)
70.  Dead arm
71.  Botched hernia operation
72.  Brittle nails due to vitamin deficiency
73.  Pain in abdomen from where he had a surgical implant
74.  Throwing up bile on Thanksgiving morning
75.  Dyslexia
76.  Liposuction scars
77.  Spends half the night passing gas
78.  Painful peptic ulcer (of peace)
79.  High blood pressure  200+/160+.
80.  Passes blood for a month prior to bodybuilding shows
81.  constant painful heartburn
82.  cankor sores (those are typical signs something is wrong)
83.  Fungus toenails (on Mongoloid toes)
84.  mania
85.  left shoulder is not entirely stable
86.  Droopy left side of face/slurring while "taking the mustard to ya"
87.  Throwing up a gallon of "black stuff"
88.  Coughing up blood
89.  Carpal tunnel in hands
90.  Deviated Septum
91.  Chronic back pain due to (??)
92.  Opioid addiction

[Van_Bilderass]

Xrays won't show anything for hernia.   If it is between your shoulder blades, one of the things to look at is the cervical region.  Referral pain from mid spine is very common.  C4 - C6 most likely.  What those guys say about back pain is right.  They don't know how handle it unless it is through surgery or pharma.  In addition, the likelyhood of a fusion helping is being shown to be less and less.  The fuse two segments and the resulting compensatory degeneration is accelerated.

Regarding chronic pain....one of the things that can happen is the brain gets so used to being in pain that even if the tissues become healed, the brain still thinks the area is damaged and the pain centers light up.  If there truly is damage that isn't healing (for example a disc that has turned from just a herniation to extrusion) that disc emits cytokines which tell the body there is damage, this in turn causes more release of the neuropeptide substance P (p for pain...literally).  Substance P has been implicated in the the initiation of the addictive response to opioids.   So, in a way its a double edge sword.

Thanks. The reason for xray is, I think, that MRIs are way more costly, and the one who sent for the referral is a general practitioner.

What is your stance on avoiding flexion? What do you think of the Jefferson Curl?

[bhank]

What drugs, Brian takes no drugs.

Testosterone is not a steroid.
Tramadol is not an opioid.
delta-8 is not weed.

I do not take tramadol and I also switched delta 8 out for THC-A but regardless it is legal cannabis not weed.

[bhank]

If you`re contest ready, and no doctor in the known free world who cannot perform miracles can fix your pec,jump into the Masters Nats.....you need a good wake up call to humble you,and I could use a good laugh.

As I have previously stated 100 times whether or not I do Nationals this year is dependent on what the Doctor says and the timing of the sale of my house and move. Right now the chances of me entering a National Championship this year are about 50/50 The July show is not the only National Championship. I would like to compete this year but if I don't want to put off a pec repair. I also can't be prepping while selling a house and moving I need to get that done first. 

[bhank]

"They" said Nubain actually helped a lot, at least in the beginning. Made you'd be able to train with a lot more intensity, although Nasser said these people on Nubain trained like granmas, but the pot
ential is there for it to help. In the begining as I said.

Last workout I only did a couple of sets of leg presses and leg extensions each. I got that intense burn you will get when doing high rep leg extensions to failure, and it didn't let up for like 10 minutes, nothing I did helped, standing, sitting down, whatever, it was intense. Would have like to get in the shower to shoot my legs with cold water but I was immobilized. As I was laying on the floor in absolute hell lol, and as my partner asked me if he could help in any way as I was telling him as I complained of intens epain that didn't let up lol, I wondered in my mind if a shot of Nubain preworkout would have helped? Probably not I figured.  My partner had Tramadol and Ibuprofen but I said that would take at least 30 minutes to even start working. Would a shot of Nubain either preworkout or in that very moment help? But the thing is if it DID help I might have pushed myself into rhabdomyolitis or death LOL. There is that possibility even with something like "DADA" or something like that, according to Alex Kikel, I can't find what it refers to. Anyone, maybe bhanks since he has delved into research chems?

Nubain is instant you take it intramuscularly or well about 15 seconds until it hits you. I have not had Nubain since college it has been a while. But yeah if you are fucking dying Nubain would be my top choice as it is basically pharmaceutical grade clean heroin. One difference with opioids is they make you digest slower so you actually get more nutrients and calories out of your food. You can still eat and get big and train it does not weaken your muscle and make you not eat if used with care. Again though we are talking about things to use when having an issue not on a regular basis. I do believe cold therapy and stretching help immensely.