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Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« on: February 24, 2011, 03:15:31 PM »
When Gov. Scott Walker discussed strategies to lay off state employees for political purposes, to coordinate supposedly “independent” political expenditures to aid legislators who support his budget repair bill, and to place agent provocateurs on the streets of Madison in order to disrupt peaceful demonstrations, he engaged in what a former attorney general of Wisconsin says could turn out to be serious ethics, election law and labor violations.

Much of the attention to the “prank” call that the governor took from a blogger who identified himself as billionaire David Koch has focused on the bizarre, at times comic, character of the discussion between a blogger posing as a powerful political player on the right and a governor whose budget repair bill has sparked mass demonstrations in Wisconsin communities and a national outcry. But the state’s former chief law-enforcement officer described the governor’s statements as “deeply troubling” and suggested that they would require inquiry and investigation by watchdog agencies.

“There clearly are potential ethics violations, and there are potential election law violations and there are a lot of what look to me like labor law violations,” said Peg Lautenschlager, a Democrat who served as Wisconsin’s attorney general after serving for many years as a U.S. attorney. “I think that the ethics violations are something the (state) Government Accountability Board should look into because they are considerable. He is on tape talking with someone who he thinks is the funder of an independent political action committee to purchase advertising to benefit Republican legislators who are nervous about taking votes on legislation he sees as critical to his political success.”

Lautenschlager, a former legislator who has known Walker for many years and who has worked with many of the unions involved in the current dispute, says: “One of the things I find most problematic in all of this is the governor’s casual talk about using outside troublemakers to stir up trouble on the streets, and the fact that he only dismissed the idea because it might cause a political problem for him.”

On the tape, Walker is asked about “planting some troublemakers” to incite the crowds at what have been peaceful protests.

“(We) thought about that,” replied the governor, who added: “My only fear would be is if there was a ruckus caused is that that would scare the public into thinking maybe the governor has gotta settle to avoid all these problems.”

“I think there’s a serious issue there,” Lautenschlager explained. “That’s a public safety issue. And I think that is really troublesome: a governor with an obligation to maintain public safety says he’s going to plant people to make trouble. That screams out to me. For a governor even to consider a strategy that could unnecessarily threaten the safety of peaceful demonstrators — which the governor acknowledged he did — is something that simply amazes me.”

Lautenschlager reviewed the tape of the phone call and the transcript at the request of The Capital Times. She noted a pattern of instances where the governor seemed to put his personal political agenda ahead of his duties as the state’s chief executive.

Lautenschlager noted, in particular, the governor’s reference to displaying a photo of former President Ronald Reagan at the dinner where he explained plans for his budget repair bill — which seeks to strip state, county and municipal employees of their collective bargaining rights, restructure state government in a manner that dramatically extends the power of the governor, undermine the BadgerCare and SeniorCare programs, and sell off publicly owned power plants to private firms like Koch Industries.

“He essentially parallels what he’s going to do to organized labor with what Ronald Reagan did to the air traffic controllers,” said Lautenschlager, referencing the former president’s firing of striking controllers in 1981. “By doing that at this time, when the contracts for state employees are still in effect, it looks as if he’s signaling a willingness to commit an unfair labor practice violation by refusing to negotiate.”

Lautenschlager noted a body of labor law that prevents employers from using threats of layoffs as a negotiating tactic with unionized workers.

Regarding another part of the conversation, where the caller posing as David Koch promises to bring the governor to California as a reward when and if the budget repair bill passes, the former attorney general noted the tenor of the conversation.

“Scott: Once you crush these bastards I’ll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time,” says the caller identified as David Koch.

Walker replies: “All right, that would be outstanding.”

“When an elected official in Wisconsin is offered a trip somewhere to have a good time, and he responds by saying ‘that would be outstanding,' ” said Lautenchlager, “it certainly sounds like something ethics investigators should look into.”

John Nichols is the associate editor of The Capital Times. jnichols@madison.com

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2011, 08:04:58 PM »
Walker considered using violence to reach his political end.


What's that called again?

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 08:07:31 PM »
Good thing your not a lawyer.

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2011, 08:10:57 PM »
Web definitions for terrorism
 the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious  




He took an oath during his swearing in that has the phrase "Protect the citizens of Wisconsin" in it... I don't see how sending people to incite crowds of 70,000 keeps anyone safe.





I'm fine if he fires every single striker, hands down.  Dump em.  


But this sure looks like he considered putting people's safety at risk for his own political reasons.  I don't see how anyone here can defend that.

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2011, 08:14:02 PM »
Good thing your not a lawyer.

Oh, I don't think he belongs in jail for it.

But I do think the state party should realize the guy that's been in office 7 weeks has just admitted he considered inciting violence agaisnt Americans to get his way.  Quietly resign and get a squeaky clean republican in there.  This guy wears the crown until Jan of 2015.

2015.


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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2011, 08:37:36 PM »
What if he meant the tea party? 

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2011, 08:44:49 PM »
What if he meant the tea party? 

Oh. 

When he said:
On the tape, Walker is asked about “planting some troublemakers” to incite the crowds at what have been peaceful protests.

“(We) thought about that,” replied the governor, who added: “
What if he knew the tea party was planning to commit crimes - and didn't report it.  ???

But nope, that doesn't even work - cause he then says "My only fear would be is if there was a ruckus caused is that that would scare the public into thinking maybe the governor has gotta settle to avoid all these problems.”

Which puts him smack dab in the middle of it. 







Look 33, I don't agree with lib bloggers that the dude belongs in jail.  I just think he admitted to considering a pretty fucked up ethical violation and crime here.  He didn't DO anything.  But now you know you have a governor who admits he considered a crime that would endanger the lives of his people - and only didn't do it because he feared the public would then give him more pressure to settle.

he should just say he was lying to the caller, or that he screwed up.  Americans are so, so forgiving.  But "Anything I say on tape, I say in public?"   Sheeeeeit, he's gonna be asked about this for the next 190 weeks of his goverorship, no doubt.  Just admit it, and move on.  You KNOW those peaceful protesters are totally energized now - and public pity will move behind them now.  They were SO peaceful that the big, bad governor almost sent in rioters to start shit, so police could beat them.  Really?


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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2011, 08:54:48 PM »
Agreeed - just say he was overwhelmed w the 50k people and considered all options but opted not to do it. 

BTW - John Batchelor is running a segment on your boy huntsman.  Batchelor has the best talk radio program bar none imho.  No one is even a close second, including rush.  I'm listening now.  You should chechk him out.  Batchelor is the best out there. 

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2011, 08:57:33 PM »
Madison's police chief
Madison's current mayor
Ex-AG Lautenschlager
Wisconsin State Senator Tim Carpenter


One day after the tape came out, these 4 have already come fwd with demands that he resign, or answer a lot of questions about


it's a big deal.  He considered the use of violent force against Americans.  If Obama had admitted on tape that he thought about sending 100 thugs to the Glen beck rally to allow police to crack skulls - people would be OUTRAGED.  Rightfully so.

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2011, 08:58:31 PM »
Agreeed - just say he was overwhelmed w the 50k people and considered all options but opted not to do it. 

BTW - John Batchelor is running a segment on your boy huntsman.  Batchelor has the best talk radio program bar none imho.  No one is even a close second, including rush.  I'm listening now.  You should chechk him out.  Batchelor is the best out there. 

Cool, will do.

huntsman started the H-pac now, right?  He can't do a thing for 2 months legally.  Then it's time to whoop some obama ass.

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2011, 09:02:51 PM »
Cool, will do.

huntsman started the H-pac now, right?  He can't do a thing for 2 months legally.  Then it's time to whoop some obama ass.

They are discussing his presen ce in China rallying people in the Jasmine Revo. 

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2011, 06:37:18 AM »
Web definitions for terrorism
 the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious  




He took an oath during his swearing in that has the phrase "Protect the citizens of Wisconsin" in it... I don't see how sending people to incite crowds of 70,000 keeps anyone safe.





I'm fine if he fires every single striker, hands down.  Dump em.  


But this sure looks like he considered putting people's safety at risk for his own political reasons.  I don't see how anyone here can defend that.


it's all good because it was a repub,but if it were a dem  all the beck babies would be out crying

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2011, 06:41:02 AM »
People say a lot of things in private conversatons they dont intend to do.

Additionally, this might be acriminal act by the prankster based upon the states' consent laws.   Some states have 1 party consent, some require 2 party consent. 

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2011, 06:42:12 AM »
Totally wrong of Walker to do that, no question in my mind.....but it doesn't change the fact that what he is trying to do in regards to the unions is needed.

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2011, 06:53:29 AM »
People say a lot of things in private conversatons they dont intend to do.

Additionally, this might be acriminal act by the prankster based upon the states' consent laws.   Some states have 1 party consent, some require 2 party consent. 

1) Yes, the prankster, if he committed a crime, should be prosecuted.

2) People say thing "they don't mean to"?  LOL they sure do.   I don't think he mis-spoke here, because not only did he admit he thought about it, but then he gave reasons why he ultimately decided against it.    I don't think any governor who freely admits he considered inciting violence in crowds of 70k Americans is responsible at all.  Do you?

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2011, 06:56:43 AM »
1) Yes, the prankster, if he committed a crime, should be prosecuted.

2) People say thing "they don't mean to"?  LOL they sure do.   I don't think he mis-spoke here, because not only did he admit he thought about it, but then he gave reasons why he ultimately decided against it.    I don't think any governor who freely admits he considered inciting violence in crowds of 70k Americans is responsible at all.  Do you?

I often think about screaming "Obama Sucks" while on the Subway in Brooklyn, but ultimately decide against it because I know the likely outcome.   Does that make me irresponsibe?    ;D  ;D  ;D

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2011, 06:58:19 AM »
I often think about screaming "Obama Sucks" while on the Subway in Brooklyn, but ultimately decide against it because I know the likely outcome.   Does that make me irresponsibe?    ;D  ;D  ;D

That just makes you a great evaluator of talent, my friend!  (excluding your palin, scootbrown, trump and madoff 2012 endorsements)

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2011, 07:00:21 AM »
I often think about screaming "Obama Sucks" while on the Subway in Brooklyn, but ultimately decide against it because I know the likely outcome.   Does that make me irresponsibe?    ;D  ;D  ;D

no, but it might be a sign your crazy  ;D

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2015, 02:13:16 PM »
When Gov. Scott Walker discussed strategies to lay off state employees for political purposes, to coordinate supposedly “independent” political expenditures to aid legislators who support his budget repair bill, and to place agent provocateurs on the streets of Madison in order to disrupt peaceful demonstrations, he engaged in what a former attorney general of Wisconsin says could turn out to be serious ethics, election law and labor violations.

Inserting violence into a crowd of peaceful protesters, in order to achieve a political goal?   There's a name for that.


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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2015, 04:05:25 PM »
Sounds like good trolling on part of Walker.

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2015, 09:40:40 PM »
Walker is polling at 3% in Iowa now.  

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2015, 01:04:17 PM »
1) Yes, the prankster, if he committed a crime, should be prosecuted.

2) People say thing "they don't mean to"?  LOL they sure do.   I don't think he mis-spoke here, because not only did he admit he thought about it, but then he gave reasons why he ultimately decided against it.    I don't think any governor who freely admits he considered inciting violence in crowds of 70k Americans is responsible at all.  Do you?

great point.

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Re: Ex-AG sees violations by Walker in stunt call
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2015, 01:06:11 PM »
Sounds like good trolling on part of Walker.

of course that's what it sounds like (to you).