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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #100 on: September 30, 2011, 08:30:37 AM »
Homeland Security in SWAt gear Straw - yeah good job supporting obama 




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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #101 on: September 30, 2011, 08:34:10 AM »

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #102 on: September 30, 2011, 08:36:04 AM »
333 - I guess you've forgotten again that I don't watch your videos

as soon as you post videos in response to simple questions I assume you're out of answers


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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #103 on: September 30, 2011, 08:37:17 AM »
333 - I guess you've forgotten again that I don't watch your videos

as soon as you post videos in response to simple questions I assume you're out of answers



The videos utterly destroy your self chosen ignorance on this. 


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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #104 on: September 30, 2011, 08:47:52 AM »
you can't answer a simple question

The Fed say that Gibson imported unfinished wood product in violation of the Lacey Act

from the story you posted:

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“It is clear that Gibson understands the purpose of the Lacey Act, and understands that … fingerboard blanks are not finished fingerboards and thus Gibson is aware that its order for fingerboard blanks was an order for contraband ebony wood or ebony wood which is illegal to possess,"

Tell me which one of the 4 videos you just posted has proof that Fender or some other company is doing the exact same thing and I'll watch it and respond

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #105 on: September 30, 2011, 08:52:54 AM »
THE FUCKING LETTER FROM THE MADASCAR GOVT AND INDIA GOVT ASSHOLE! 


And no charges have been brought now two years later despite the fact that the Govt has over 500k of their material!


 

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #106 on: September 30, 2011, 08:54:17 AM »
TWO YEARS AND NO CHARGES STRAW AND THE GOVTS ALL AGREE WITH GIBSON! 


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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #107 on: September 30, 2011, 08:59:03 AM »
THE FUCKING LETTER FROM THE MADASCAR GOVT AND INDIA GOVT ASSHOLE! 
And no charges have been brought now two years later despite the fact that the Govt has over 500k of their material!
whis part of which video has the information I requested

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #108 on: September 30, 2011, 09:09:27 AM »
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/gibson-0825-2011



• Wood seized was Forest Stewardship Council Controlled

The wood the Government seized on August 24 is from a Forest Stewardship Council certified supplier and is FSC Controlled, meaning that the wood complies with the standards of the Forest Stewardship Council, which is an industry-recognized and independent, not-for-profit organization established to promote responsible management of the world’s forests. FSC Controlled Wood standards require, among other things, that the wood not be illegally harvested and not be harvested in violation of traditional and civil rights. See www.fsc.org for more information. Gibson has a long history of supporting sustainable and responsible sources of wood and has worked diligently with entities such as the Rainforest Alliance and Greenpeace to secure FSC certified supplies. The wood seized on August 24 satisfied FSC standards.

• Nearly two years later, no charges have been filed

In 2009, more than a dozen agents with automatic weapons invaded the Gibson factory in Nashville. The Government seized guitars and a substantial amount of ebony fingerboard blanks from Madagascar. To date, 1 year and 9 months later, criminal charges have NOT been filed, yet the Government still holds Gibson’s property. Gibson has obtained sworn statements and documents from the Madagascar government and these materials, which have been filed in federal court, show that the wood seized in 2009 was legally exported under Madagascar law and that no law has been violated. Gibson is attempting to have its property returned in a civil proceeding that is pending in federal court.


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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #109 on: September 30, 2011, 09:14:47 AM »
so again, no answer to a simple question

I guess if Gibson says they haven't violated the law we should just believe them

why would they lie?

clearly this is nothing more than a vendetta by the Obama Administration because the CEO of Gibson gave a few thousand dollars to a Republican

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #110 on: September 30, 2011, 09:17:03 AM »
Hey douchebag - the foreign govts say no laws were violated and the US Govt still has not filed charges nearly two years later. 


Guess why? 

Amazing how you leftists/socialists/progressives are so fond of the police state when its your communist messiah doing to the tyranny.

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #111 on: September 30, 2011, 09:25:40 AM »
Hey douchebag - the foreign govts say no laws were violated and the US Govt still has not filed charges nearly two years later. 


Guess why? 

Amazing how you leftists/socialists/progressives are so fond of the police state when its your communist messiah doing to the tyranny.

you're an attorney?

is that how our legal system works?


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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #112 on: September 30, 2011, 09:27:47 AM »
you're an attorney?

is that how our legal system works?



Considering the law they are trying to interpret?   hhhmmmm? ? ? ? 

And 2 years later and no charges Straw? 

Sending in SWAT Team with guns drawn to raid the factory?  Not once, but twice? 


Tell me, how long should the Maobama Admn have to file charges on this before they give back the wood Gibson paid for? 

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #113 on: September 30, 2011, 09:36:48 AM »
Considering the law they are trying to interpret?   hhhmmmm? ? ? ? 

And 2 years later and no charges Straw? 

Sending in SWAT Team with guns drawn to raid the factory?  Not once, but twice? 


Tell me, how long should the Maobama Admn have to file charges on this before they give back the wood Gibson paid for? 

holy shit

the SWAT team raided some factory and they had their guns drawn

SHOCKING

are you really an attorney

really?

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #114 on: September 30, 2011, 09:38:00 AM »
holy shit

the SWAT team raided some factory and they had their guns drawn

SHOCKING

are you really an attorney

really?

Yes Straw - give me one reason a SWAT Team was used for this.   

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #115 on: September 30, 2011, 09:52:46 AM »
Yes Straw - give me one reason a SWAT Team was used for this.   

don't most if not all  "raids" such as thing involved armed LE

in fact aren't most LE armed

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #116 on: September 30, 2011, 09:55:13 AM »
don't most if not all  "raids" such as thing involved armed LE

in fact aren't most LE armed


Raid for what? 

They raided the company in 09 and took a shit load of materials and never filed any charges.  Gibson asked them what the charges were and Obama refuses to say what that was.   Gibson filed 80,000 docs in court showing they were in compliance and still, the jack boot thugs raided them again with a swat team? 

Thats ok with you? 

 

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #117 on: September 30, 2011, 10:03:40 AM »
Raid for what?  

They raided the company in 09 and took a shit load of materials and never filed any charges.  Gibson asked them what the charges were and Obama refuses to say what that was.   Gibson filed 80,000 docs in court showing they were in compliance and still, the jack boot thugs raided them again with a swat team? 
Thats ok with you? 

haven't you read your own posts?

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/News/gibson-0825-2011
In 2009, more than a dozen agents with automatic weapons invaded the Gibson factory in Nashville. The Government seized guitars and a substantial amount of ebony fingerboard blanks from Madagascar.


In other words, because Indian workers didn’t create the final product, it’s not legally eligible to be exported.The affidavit also outlines allegations that Gibson CEO Henry Juszkiewicz understands the violations, as evidenced by the staunch defense of his company in a press conference and subsequent political fights around the Lacey Act.

“It is clear that Gibson understands the purpose of the Lacey Act, and understands that … fingerboard blanks are not finished fingerboards and thus Gibson is aware that its order for fingerboard blanks was an order for contraband ebony wood or ebony wood which is illegal to possess," Seiler wrote.
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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #118 on: September 30, 2011, 10:09:27 AM »
Right - cause a swat team with drawn automatic weapons was needed for this? 


Seriously - you leftists are nothing but thinly veiled communists to the core.   

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #119 on: September 30, 2011, 10:18:05 AM »
Right - cause a swat team with drawn automatic weapons was needed for this? 
Seriously - you leftists are nothing but thinly veiled communists to the core.   

are you REALLY an attorney

are you not aware of how LE "raids" work

it's kind of ironic that you have a problem with LE being armed given your penchant for hording guns and ammo

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #120 on: September 30, 2011, 10:27:02 AM »
are you REALLY an attorney

are you not aware of how LE "raids" work

it's kind of ironic that you have a problem with LE being armed given your penchant for hording guns and ammo

LE for what?   Is now wood being used to make guitars the same as narcotics bweing used by cartels and meth labs?

WTF is wrong with you? 

and the second raid with guns drawn after the Obama Junta failed to even file charges after the 1st raid and taking 500k of product?   

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #121 on: September 30, 2011, 10:45:20 AM »
LE for what?   Is now wood being used to make guitars the same as narcotics bweing used by cartels and meth labs?

WTF is wrong with you? 

and the second raid with guns drawn after the Obama Junta failed to even file charges after the 1st raid and taking 500k of product?   

wtf is wrong with you

are you not aware of how LE raids work

they do that shit every day

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #122 on: September 30, 2011, 10:52:51 AM »
wtf is wrong with you

are you not aware of how LE raids work

they do that shit every day

Yes i know how the jack boot thugs work.  Thats why this is a big deal.  Why the second raid after not filing charges after the 1st raid and still holding 500k of product, yet being possession of docs showing Gibson was in compliance?


Only a far left communist like youself could support the obama gestapo states' action in this.   

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #123 on: September 30, 2011, 10:57:06 AM »
Yes i know how the jack boot thugs work.  Thats why this is a big deal.  Why the second raid after not filing charges after the 1st raid and still holding 500k of product, yet being possession of docs showing Gibson was in compliance?
Only a far left communist like youself could support the obama gestapo states' action in this.   

nothing special or different about his raid

so I guess all LE raids are "jack boot thugs"


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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #124 on: September 30, 2011, 11:04:30 AM »
nothing special or different about his raid

so I guess all LE raids are "jack boot thugs"



Most are jack boot thugs - I agree with that entirely.   I have little or no respect for most "law enforcement" as they like to call themselves.

They don't enforce anything but their union scams and pension scams against the taxpayer while abusing citizens.