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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #75 on: September 01, 2011, 09:42:18 AM »
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You do this every time you post something saying i support this.. then i go down a list of the huge policies i dont support.. then you shut the fuck up... for about a week... and then you say i support it again.. I swear you are fucking retarded...

You take the stance that "if i dont agree with your bullshit no consequence stories, or the fact that you post lies.... then i must fully support Obama" You are an idiot/moron/retard, because you cant differentiate between Obama support/and Tabloid hate.. You fucking piece of shit

This is a no consequence story?   


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« Reply #76 on: September 01, 2011, 09:45:18 AM »
simple

333 doesn't comprehend the written or spoken word

he "reads" and "hears" whatever he wants to read and hear



Like an insane person

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« Reply #77 on: September 01, 2011, 10:21:59 AM »
Sorry - I never remember previous DOJ's ever pulling crap like this. 

You haven't copiously sniffed through all the news everywhere.  all kinds of crazy whacked things are going on in this country while we are the mice and the taking heads are pide pipers.


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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #78 on: September 01, 2011, 01:05:19 PM »
Why Are The Feds Gunning For Gibson? And Is This Any Way To Stimulate The Economy?

Via FR




The Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution declares that "the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial," and must be "informed of the nature and cause of the accusation." Based on their conduct in raiding the Gibson Guitar Company, agents from the FBI and the Fish and Wildlife Service could stand a refresher course in the law of the land. In November 2009, Fish and Wildlife agents, accompanied by a heavily armed FBI SWAT team, stormed Gibson's Nashville plant and confiscated ebony fingerboards that had been imported from Madagascar. On August 24, 2011 the Feds gave an encore, rushing into Gibson factories in Memphis and Nashville with weapons drawn to confiscate ebony and rosewood from India. The urgency of this "shock and awe" display of enforcement power would suggest a serious crime had been committed. Yet nearly two years after the first raid, no formal charges have been filed, leaving Gibson management to ponder what exactly they stand accused of.

The absence of a formal indictment has fueled wild speculation, but affidavits filed to secure search warrants indicate that this case is about suspected violations of the amended Lacey Act, the recently expanded law that gives the Fish & Wildlife Service the right to regulate all trade in plant material (including wood). The new, but we hesitate to say improved, Lacey Act makes it unlawful to import, export, sell, or purchase in interstate or foreign commerce any plant that violates any U.S. or foreign law.

There are no laws on the books in the U.S. prohibiting the use of Indian or Madagascar rosewood and ebony. That didn't stop the industrious John M. Rayfield, a special agent at the Fish and Wildlife service, from concluding that Gibson's use of these woods violated Indian law. The law he cites in his affidavit, "W.E.F. 23.08.2010 Government of India, Ministry of Commerce and Industry," has nothing to do with overharvesting, illegal logging, or anything else related to the environment. Rather, it specifies labor content levels for wood thicker than 6 millimeters that is exported from India. In other words, Gibson stands accused of using U.S. instead of Indian labor to produce its guitars. Had the company imported a finished guitar from India, using the same rosewood and ebony, it would have been in compliance with Lacey. Importing semi-finished component parts caused the violation. In practice, the Indian authorities have a different interpretation of their law: For decades they have allowed the export of millions of fingerboard blanks without challenge.

There isn't a guitar manufacturer of any scale in the U.S. that doesn't use some Indian rosewood or ebony for fingerboards, and all of them, to the best of our knowledge, import the same kind of semi-finished blanks that were seized from the Gibson plant. Thus, by the logic of Rayfield's affidavit, they are all potentially in violation of Lacey. Lacey applies to sellers, buyers, intermediaries, and anyone else who comes into contact with "illegal" wood, so retailers and consumers could be on the hook as well. If that isn't sufficiently unsettling, remember that Lacey is "a fact-based, rather than a document-based statute." Translation: having the right paperwork won't save you from fines, confiscation of product, or even imprisonment, and the world of music is populated with unsuspecting felons.

At a time when the U.S. economy has yet to return to 2008 production levels, when unemployment stands at 9.1%, when the 2011 national deficit will top $1.3 trillion, and when the trade deficit continues to grow, it's hard to understand why federal agencies would be spending millions to prosecute a thriving U.S. company that sells an acclaimed product that delights millions, is adding workers to its U.S. payroll, and exports 60% of its production. (Equally baffling is why Congress would pass such a poorly crafted bill as the amended Lacey Act, but that's an issue for another editorial.) If Fish and Wildlife and the FBI have a cause for action against Gibson, they should have spelled it out long ago. Absent a compelling case, they should pack it in and let the people of Gibson go about their business serving musicians without interference.

When the Oregon Congressional Delegation amended the Lacey act, their self-declared aim was primarily economic. Responding to an influential constituent, they sought expanded import documentation to slow timber imports and thereby boost a Pacific Northwest timber industry that had been hard hit by the downturn in housing construction. Thus, a bill to help loggers in Oregon has hurt guitar makers in Tennessee, proving that the law of unintended consequences is still very much in force.

Responsibility for enforcing Lacey, and making sure that all wood was in compliance with all of the world's regulations, was handed to the Animal Plant Heath Inspection Service (APHIS), an arm of the U.S. Department of Agriculture. In a December 15, 2008 presentation, APHIS officials appeared overwhelmed by the new job. They said that enforcement was a low priority and it would take at least a year to develop reporting requirements and proper forms. Yet 11 months later, the Feds were at Gibson's door with guns drawn.

We're not lawyers, but this prosecution (or should we say persecution) of Gibson seems a violation of "due process" and a clear-cut case of regulatory agencies run amok. And the problem extends beyond the pain inflicted on a single company. By the reasoning employed by Fish and Wildlife, the entire guitar world--manufacturers, retailers, vintage dealers, teachers, and players--could be implicated in a Lacey sting. This kind of open-ended threat of prosecution is an affront to a legion of decent, hardworking people who provide the tools for musicians; it's an unnecessary burden on an already struggling economy; and it's a blow to the credibility of a government that is not universally well regarded by its citizenry. As Gibson CEO Henry Juszkiewicz put it, "We feel totally abused. We believe the arrogance of federal power is impacting me personally, our company, and the employees here in Tennessee, and it's just plain wrong."

He's right, and his complaint is one that should be taken up by the entire industry.



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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #79 on: September 01, 2011, 08:59:28 PM »
What you both don't seem to get is that its neither OB or the Repubs or the Dems or Bush.


ITS THE WHOLE GOD DAM ESTABLISHMENT, NON REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT THAT HAS SLOWLY TAKEN OVER OUR COUNTRY.

AND WHILE WE FIGHT OVER IDEOLOGIES LIKE LITTLE BITCHES THESE BASTARDS LOOK AT THAT LIKE LUBRICANT TO EASE THE FUCKING THEY ARE GIVING US. 

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Liberals are today's Puritans. Maybe they don't believe in God, but they are just as warped and delusional as the Puritans from yesteryear.

Bottom Line: Ideologically, one side is predicated on the destruction of American industry, profitability, military might and influence. The other stands for the exact opposite. While both sides have flaws and the majority of politicians are scum, the fact of the matter is that my values, aspirations and goals for myself as a human being and for my country are completely in sync with the Right. All things being equal, ill take pro america, pro business, pro growth, pro independence, pro freedom of speech, pro national security, pro capitalism and continued adherence to the constitution every single day of the week over the alternative.

The alternative is group think idiocy, identity politics, "fairness", "social justice", "green jobs"+ every other buzz word/ catch phrase used by the left to force its warped agenda on the rest of us. Socialism, feminism, racial McCarthyism wrapped in an ambulance chasers mentality to shake people down for benefits they don't deserve, higher taxes, bigger government, censorship, atheism, amnesty= All disgusting, destructive forces that do nothing except harm this country and the world at large.

Most people who make the simplistic argument= " Ah well, both sides are bad so you should just abandon both parties and vote for an independent", usually make the equally idiotic assertion= "All religions have bad people in them, so religion in general should be denounced as violent and Islam should not be singled out."

This flies in the face of reality and common sense. We live in the here and now. Life is happening today. This isn't a homework assignment for your social studies class.  Voting for an irrelevant candidate who has no chance of winning an election and abandoning a party, that while flawed, is vastly superior to the alternative in every single conceivable way (assuming you want America to maintain its superiority over the rest of the world) not only makes your vote irrelevant, it provides support for the exponentially worse alternative.

Its the same thing as rationalizing Islamic terrorism with moral equivalency arguments. Denouncing all religions as violent based on events that happened centuries ago, or by referencing anecdotal instances where a non Muslim killed a bunch of people ( Tim Mc Veigh and Brevick-- I cant think of any others in the past 20 years)  when three quarters of all religious violence committed in the world today is perpetrated by Islam both trivializes the problem of Islamic extremism and excuses it.



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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #80 on: September 01, 2011, 11:40:00 PM »
Yet again your simpleton mind takes one story about one company being investigated for alleged crimes and you weave it into the narrative that you have brewing inside your skull

must suck to be in such a state of paranoia, panic and anger all the time
Actually, No it's called being a typical New Yorker...

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #81 on: September 02, 2011, 02:44:01 AM »
Well established pattern of conduct w obama.

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #82 on: September 02, 2011, 06:54:00 AM »
George,

I don't completey disagree with that.  What I want is this crap cleaned up in our government.  When a conservative republican administration goes completely agisnts it's principles authorizes billions in bail outs I believe they didn't do it by choice, but instead were pressured or told to do so and they submitted. 

I believe we no longer have a representative government, which makes both parties ineffective. 

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« Reply #83 on: September 02, 2011, 07:00:36 AM »
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #84 on: September 02, 2011, 07:06:06 AM »
Good video. 




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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #85 on: September 02, 2011, 07:18:10 AM »
CEO says they told him point blank to outsource jobs to Africa. 

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« Reply #86 on: September 02, 2011, 07:20:07 AM »
Total damage from Obama so far $3,000,000 and counting. 

Hey you liberal pieces of garbage - how can you claim to want jobs and growth when you have the President of the USA actively and intentionally destroying them? 

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #87 on: September 07, 2011, 02:09:59 PM »
Embattled Guitar Exec to Attend Obama’s Speech
By Robert Costa
Posted on September 07, 2011 1:23 PM




Sources tell National Review Online that Gibson’s chairman and chief executive, Henry Juszkiewicz, will attend President Obama’s joint address to Congress on Thursday. Federal agents recently raided Gibson’s manufacturing facilities, suspecting that the company was using illegally-imported wood.

Juszkiewicz has vocally defended Gibson’s practices and denied the allegations. “There’s no doubt we’re being persecuted,” he said in an interview with the Tennessean. “But while I was sitting in my conference room, while agents blocked the door to my office, I decided two things. One, we were going to try and fight this in court. Secondly, we were going to give this issue visibility.”

Juszkiewicz will be the guest of Rep. Marsha Blackburn, a Tennessee Republican. Blackburn represents numerous Gibson employees, many of whom reside in the Nashville suburbs.

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Good - I hope he stands up to Obama and looks him in his ghetto thug looter face and says "You Lie!" 

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #88 on: September 08, 2011, 08:35:04 PM »
Gibson CEO to Obama: Show Some Concern for Nation's Job Creators
Fox News ^ | September 8, 2011 | none stated
Posted on September 8, 2011 9:59:00 PM EDT by Texas Fossil

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Juszkiewicz was House Speaker John Boehner’s guest at Obama’s speech before a joint session of Congress on Thursday night, in which he unveiled a $447 billion plan to jumpstart the weak economy.

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The chief executive of Gibson Guitar Corp., which has been the target of two federal raids in the past two years over the exotic wood it uses to make the instruments, said Thursday he wants Obama to show some concern for the nation’s job creators.

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« Reply #89 on: September 10, 2011, 05:17:48 AM »
Gibson CEO Slams “Big Liberal” Obama After Speech: “He’s Done Untold Damage to Business”
Gateway Pundit ^ | September 9,2011 | Jim Hoft
Posted on September 9, 2011 9:18:40 AM EDT by Hojczyk

Gibson Guitar Henry Juszkiewicz was invited to Obama’s speech to Congress tonight. (TPM)

Gibson Guitar Corp. CEO Henry Juszkiewicz slammed “big liberal” Obama after his partisan speech to Congress tonight. The Corner reported:

Henry Juszkiewicz, the chief executive officer of Gibson Guitar Corp., tells National Review Online that President Obama, a “big liberal,” has done “untold damage to business” and should not be applauded for his jobs speech. ”He’s a government fan,” he says. “He has a problem with successful businesses. He thinks they’re the problem, that they shouldn’t be quite as successful.”

“He is using the levers of government to not only redistribute, but to penalize,” he adds. “I see a difference between what he said and what he’s doing.”

Gibson has been under federal investigation in recent months, reportedly for its importation practices. Juskiewicz blames the Obama administration for causing his company, an iconic American brand, to lose money and lawyer up.

“We’re under attack,” Juskiewicz says. “It’s pretty interesting to see that one of the points in Obama’s speech was to cut back regulationand promote jobs, when, in fact, he’s done just the opposite with us.

Right on, Henry. We are all with you brother.

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #90 on: September 21, 2011, 02:34:43 PM »
Feds Still Mum on Reason for Gibson Raids
Memphis Daily News ^ | 09/20/11 | Andy Meek




Federal officials have shed a little light on last month’s raid of Gibson Guitar Corp. facilities in Memphis and Nashville – without really revealing much at all.

In a letter dated Monday, Sept. 19, Christopher Mansour, the director of congressional and legislative affairs in the U.S. Department of the Interior, and Ronald Weich, assistant attorney general for legislative affairs, wrote to congressional leaders in broad terms about the federal Lacey Act. That’s the legislation that provided the backdrop of the Gibson raids.

Their letter was in response to a letter sent by congressional leaders, including U.S. Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., requesting details about the raids. In it, they declined to provide specific details about the raid because of an ongoing investigation into Gibson, but they spoke to some general facts about the matter.

“By prohibiting trafficking in wood illegally harvested overseas, the Lacey Act prohibits companies from undercutting law-abiding U.S. wood-product companies, including numerous small businesses, by trading in artificially inexpensive raw materials that have been illegally harvested from foreign forests,” the two federal officials wrote. “The Lacey Act provides the federal government with an important tool to ensure that all businesses, including foreign companies that send their goods into this country, are operating on a level playing field by using only legally harvested wood.”

The officials went on to say the federal agents’ search for evidence at Gibson began with authorization from a U.S. magistrate judge, who signed off on the raids. And because law enforcement agents are required to carry side arms for their own protection when executing warrants, they said that explains the presence of armed agents during the raids.

Federal agents executed four search warrants at Gibson facilities in Memphis and Nashville around 8:45 a.m. Aug. 24. They seized several pallets of wood, electronic files and guitars. Both the company and its supporters have criticized several aspects of the raid – including the presence of armed agents – as indicative of government overreach.

Blackburn touched on that same theme in a statement she released in response to the Sept. 19 letter.

"I am frustrated by the administration’s refusal to brief me and our committee with real answers," Blackburn said. “Specifically, why did they send armed agents into Gibson's facilities? It is beyond me why not once, but twice, the administration felt the need to act like a bunch of cowboys, when I am sure a letter like this or a simple phone call stating their concerns to Gibson's leaders would have prompted a very cooperative response.”

Meanwhile, Gibson and supporters are stepping up a public-relations campaign that began almost in the immediate aftermath of the raids, via everything from a Twitter #thiswillnotstand hashtag to a flurry of media interviews by Gibson CEO Henry Juszkiewicz.

As of mid-day Tuesday, the company was closing in on 20,000 signatures for a petition it plans to deliver to the White House asking for the government to drop its criminal investigation of the company.


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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #91 on: September 21, 2011, 03:04:29 PM »
Gibson is playing a Tea Party tune
The Hill ^ | 09/20/11 | Brendan Sasso




Gibson, the maker of the iconic Les Paul electric guitar, has become an unlikely political symbol in the fight over regulations and the reach of government since the company protested federal raids on its factories last month.

And its CEO, Henry Juszkiewicz, has become a reluctant warrior against excessive government regulations.

Juszkiewicz has become a hero to Tea Party groups for fighting back against the investigation. He has become a public face of the debate, and sat in House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) box during President Obama’s address to Congress earlier this month.

In his jobs speech last week, Boehner pointed to the Gibson raids as an example of how government regulations can destroy jobs.

In an interview with The Hill, Juszkiewicz said his goal is to pressure the Justice Department to settle the case and to get Congress to change laws he thinks are unfair.

U.S. Fish and Wildlife agents raided Gibson Guitar factories in Tennessee at the end of August and seized raw materials, electronic files and guitars as part of an investigation into whether the guitar-maker had imported illegal wood in violation of the Lacey Act.

The Lacey Act makes it a crime to import plants or wildlife into the U.S. if those goods were obtained in a way that breaks the laws of another country. In Gibson’s case, U.S. Fish and Wildlife said the company is suspected of obtaining illegally logged ebony and rosewood from Madagascar and unfinished wood from India. Gibson has denied the charges.

And conservatives have rallied to the company’s defense, arguing it is ridiculous that government agents would raid American factories to enforce foreign laws.

On Twitter, Gibson, whose guitars have been used by countless famous musicians, uses the hashtag “ThisWillNotStand” for posts about the raids, and Juszkiewicz has appeared on conservative radio shows to discuss what he describes as government bullying and harassment.

The public-relations campaign has captured the attention of lawmakers. Republicans on the House Energy and Commerce Committee have demanded more information about the raids from administration officials, and Juszkiewicz is scheduled to meet with Justice Department officials on Wednesday.

Juszkiewicz said he never meant to start a partisan fight, but he is happy people are reacting to the campaign.

His problem with the law is not that it requires enforcement of foreign laws. In fact, he says he supports the goal of the Lacey Act to combat illegal logging.

He says his problem is that the law is ambiguous. It requires companies to use “due care” not to import wood that was harvested illegally but does not explicitly define what that requirement entails.

“You shouldn’t pass a law unless you’re very specific about how to abide by it,” he said.

Juszkiewicz said the law as it is currently written is a “blank check” for prosecutors.

He has been CEO of Gibson Guitars since 1986, when he and two business partners acquired the company. According to his official company bio, he has a passion for music and “worked his way through school playing guitar — a Gibson, of course — in various rock bands playing for parties and weddings.”

He and his wife have made a few political contributions — $4,600 to former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee’s (R) presidential campaign in 2007 and $2,000 to Rep. Jim Cooper (D-Tenn.) earlier this year. Cooper represents Nashville, which is where Gibson Guitar is based. Cooper also plans to introduce legislation that would grandfather musical instruments made before 2008 into the Lacey Act.

Gibson’s campaign has sparked a backlash from environmental groups and wood product companies that want to defend the Lacey Act, which was changed to protect plants in 2008.

Environmental groups support the Lacey Act because, they say, it protects endangered forests and the species that depend on them.

The wood industry, which usually finds itself on the opposite side of issues from environmental groups, also supports the law, saying it is unfair to force the industry to compete with illegal loggers.

Jameson French, CEO of Northland Forest Products and the former chairman of the Hardwood Federation, a trade association, said illegal loggers evade environmental and trade laws and sell their products more cheaply than law-abiding companies can.

French said he is “flabbergasted by the misinformation that’s been put out there” by Gibson. In particular, he said that rather than costing jobs, the Lacey Act has “saved a lot of American jobs” by protecting American wood companies from illegal competition.

The groups have been meeting with lawmakers to combat Gibson’s public-relations campaign. They held a briefing for congressional staffers last week and will host a teleconference on Tuesday to “reveal the truth about the Lacey Act and the impact of illegal logging on American jobs and endangered forests.”

Juszkiewicz also argues the raids violated his company’s due-process rights. Agents seized wood and guitars, costing his business money, but the government has not yet proven that Gibson broke any laws.

He says there should be more checks to prevent government abuses, and the company should be able to appeal to a third party to recover its goods.

The Fish and Wildlife Service obtained a search warrant from a judge before conducting the raids. The warrant was based on a sworn statement from a federal investigator, and the goods were seized as evidence for the government’s investigation.

But Juszkiewicz suggested the statement might not have been entirely accurate. “There have to be consequences when federal officials do something bad,” he added.

Juszkiewicz said the initial success of his campaign has inspired him to fight for broad changes to the law.

He said he has been meeting with lawyers about how to craft legislation that would allow companies to recover goods seized in raids.

“We have the public’s attention, and we want to take advantage of that,” he said.


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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #92 on: September 29, 2011, 11:49:38 PM »
Feds to Gibson: Hand over more wood
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011, 1:40pm CDT
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Federal authorities are pressuring Nashville-based Gibson Guitar    to hand over an additional 25 bundles of Indian wood that the company allegedly planned to use in its famous guitars.
The complaint was filed today in U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee and mirrors a 2010 action that sought official forfeiture of wood obtained in a 2009 raid of Gibson facilities. The latter of those cases has been stayed, pending the outcome of the most recent suit.
As has been the case in previous allegations, at issue is the classification of certain wood imported to the United States from India. Namely, a June shipment of 1,250 sawn logs was classified as "finished parts of musical instruments," which is allowed under Indian law. In reality, according to the sworn affidavit of Fish and Wildlife Service agent Kevin Seiler, the wood was unfinished – a violation of the Lacey Act.
The Lacey Act, originally passed by Congress in 1900, was amended in 2008 as part of that year’s Farm Bill to include protection for certain wood and endangered animal species. At its core, the Lacey Act makes it illegal to import plants or wildlife into the U.S. if those goods are harvested in a way that violates the laws of another country.

In other words, because Indian workers didn’t create the final product, it’s not legally eligible to be exported.
The affidavit also outlines allegations that Gibson CEO Henry Juszkiewicz understands the violations, as evidenced by the staunch defense of his company in a press conference and subsequent political fights around the Lacey Act.

“It is clear that Gibson understands the purpose of the Lacey Act, and understands that … fingerboard blanks are not finished fingerboards and thus Gibson is aware that its order for fingerboard blanks was an order for contraband ebony wood or ebony wood which is illegal to possess," Seiler wrote.
Annie Johnson covers economic development, music/entertainment/sports, legal affairs and tourism/hospitality.


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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #93 on: September 29, 2011, 11:51:48 PM »
http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2011/09/28/feds-to-gibson-give-us-more-wood.html?ana=e_pft


It never stops with this disgusting ghetto thug pofs in the WH.   

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #94 on: September 30, 2011, 08:03:47 AM »
http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2011/09/28/feds-to-gibson-give-us-more-wood.html?ana=e_pft


It never stops with this disgusting ghetto thug pofs in the WH.   

from your story it seems like the company is being accused of importing unfinished wood in violation of the revised terms of the Lacey Act



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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #95 on: September 30, 2011, 08:06:28 AM »
from your story it seems like the company is being accused of importing unfinished wood in violation of the revised terms of the Lacey Act




Not according to the Indian Govt.   The Indian Govt said gibson is in compliance with all its laws.  Additionally - its cometitors who are DNC donors use the same wood and have not been raided or targeted.  Guess why Straw? 

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #96 on: September 30, 2011, 08:16:17 AM »
Not according to the Indian Govt.   The Indian Govt said gibson is in compliance with all its laws.  Additionally - its cometitors who are DNC donors use the same wood and have not been raided or targeted.  Guess why Straw? 

Is the Lacey Act and Indian law

who says "DNC donors" use the same wood?

Let me guess - it was the CEO of Gibson making this claim?

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #97 on: September 30, 2011, 08:19:38 AM »
Is the Lacey Act and Indian law

who says "DNC donors" use the same wood?

Let me guess - it was the CEO of Gibson making this claim?

No, obviously you have not paid attention to this case one bit. 

Fender uses the same wood and is in a union state and is a campaign contributor to ObaMao.  Gibson donates to the GOP and is in a right to work state. 

India said there is no violation at all, and so far the US Govt has impounded over 500k of Gibsons' wood it already paid for without and formal judicial findings of any violations. 

Get a fucking clue already.   

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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #98 on: September 30, 2011, 08:26:58 AM »
No, obviously you have not paid attention to this case one bit. 

Fender uses the same wood and is in a union state and is a campaign contributor to ObaMao.  Gibson donates to the GOP and is in a right to work state. 

India said there is no violation at all, and so far the US Govt has impounded over 500k of Gibsons' wood it already paid for without and formal judicial findings of any violations. 

Get a fucking clue already.   

Who says Fender uses the same wood ?

from reading the latest story you posted it's not the wood but whether it's a finished product or not


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Re: Gibson Guitars: "We are under attack by the Obama Admn".
« Reply #99 on: September 30, 2011, 08:28:45 AM »
Who says Fender uses the same wood ?

from reading the latest story you posted it's not the wood but whether it's a finished product or not



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Yeah - ok Straw - such a pressing matter to send in the SWAT Teams when the Indian govt has no issue with this.