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It's about time - but they have to sit in prison for 2 more months.
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(Jan. 19) - In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday granted early prison releases to two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer fueled the national debate over illegal immigration.
Bush, responding to heavy pressure from Republican and Democratic lawmakers alike, commuted the prison sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. The two guards from El Paso, Texas, each were sentenced to more than 10 years for the shooting, which they tried to cover up. They will be released within two months.
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It's about time -
AP
(Jan. 19) - In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday granted early prison releases to two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer fueled the national debate over illegal immigration.
Bush, responding to heavy pressure from Republican and Democratic lawmakers alike, commuted the prison sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. The two guards from El Paso, Texas, each were sentenced to more than 10 years for the shooting, which they tried to cover up. They will be released within two months.
Nice.
It's the AP though ( ::) :-\ :-X >:() so notice how they try and portray these men. "Heavy pressure" , "cover up" "shooting" They try their best to keep the view of these two border agents slanted, even if for only a paragraph.
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It's about time -
AP
(Jan. 19) - In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday granted early prison releases to two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer fueled the national debate over illegal immigration.
Bush, responding to heavy pressure from Republican and Democratic lawmakers alike, commuted the prison sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. The two guards from El Paso, Texas, each were sentenced to more than 10 years for the shooting, which they tried to cover up. They will be released within two months.
BS >:(
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Bush kind of redeemed himself a bit. What would have been better is if he Pardoned them instead of just commuted the sentences. That way, he could have sent a message to that dumb shit state attorney general he was full of crap!
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BS >:(
Says the "poster" with an avatar of one of the worst and most failed revolutionaries in history.
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BS >:(
What's BS about it?
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Says the "poster" with an avatar of one of the worst and most failed revolutionaries in history.
What do you know about him ,fag?
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What's BS about it?
they should pay a price for the crime they committed
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What do you know about him ,fag?
He was a failed leader. enough said.
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they should pay a price for the crime they committed
Shooting a drug dealer... Yeah.. such a crime.... YOU ARE A LOSER!!!
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He was a failed leader. enough said.
Obviously you don't know shit about ''CHE'' :D
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They just caught the innocent illegal aliean, Aldrete Dávila, trying to smuggle more over 800 lbs or marijuana into the state. Seriously, we need to investigate DA Sutton and indict the SOB. Ramos and Compean should be recognized as hero and compensate for their time in prison.
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Obviously you don't know shit about ''CHE'' :D
Hit's close to home doesn't it?
Anyone that would be saying these two men should be in prison apparently doesn't know shit between right and wrong.
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Says the "poster" with an avatar of one of the worst and most failed revolutionaries in history.
ha...... history would say otherwise.....
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They just caught the innocent illegal aliean, Aldrete Dávila, trying to smuggle more over 800 lbs or marijuana into the state. Seriously, we need to investigate DA Sutton and indict the SOB. Ramos and Compean should be recognized as hero and compensate for their time in prison.
These two guys should haven't gotten a medal, not a jail cell.
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Obviously you don't know shit about ''CHE'' :D
No, we know about "CHE" that's why we will keep calling him a failed "leader" and "revolutionary". He was a good tyrant and murderer though, if that counts for anything.
But his image sure makes you look so aloof and cool when it's plastered on a T-Shirt sold at Wal-Mart or Hot Topic in the interest of capitalism, ironic isn't it.
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ha...... history would say otherwise.....
I guess it depends on who you ask... About the same as Castro. Some people love him, some hate him...
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ha...... history would say otherwise.....
History says he tried and failed miserably to begin revolutions in S.America. Castro didn't even want him anywhere near the Bay of Pigs because he was such a poor leader.
He died alone and as a failure.
And Castro might be a fuck, but he succeed in Cuba. Che has gained a mythic status because of shmoes and their t-shirts which bear his image.
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No, we know about "CHE" that's why we will keep calling him a failed "leader" and "revolutionary". He was a good tyrant and murderer though, if that counts for anything.
But his image sure makes you look so aloof and cool when it's plastered on a T-Shirt sold at Wal-Mart or Hot Topic in the interest of capitalism, ironic isn't it.
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Dude , stick to Schmoes
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Nice.
It's the AP though ( ::) :-\ :-X >:() so notice how they try and portray these men. "Heavy pressure" , "cover up" "shooting" They try their best to keep the view of these two border agents slanted, even if for only a paragraph.
Yeah I know what ever happened to journalitstic integrity and being unbiased? At least the guards will be free soon, that's a good thing.
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Bullshit is what it is.
These two morons shot an unarmed drug transporter from behind, concealed the evidence and tried to hide the whole ordeal, lied to police and prosecutors.
They were tried and sentenced by a jury of their peers with all of the evidence presented.
Why would their sentences be commuted? Dumb ass people who think that all of their crimes mean nothing just because the guy they were abusing was a drug dealer or a sketchy individual, and just because the two men were border guards. The fact that the drug dealer is a scumbag is irrelevant. Scumbag or no Scumbag, you don't shoot unarmed people in the back, you don't conceal and destroy evidence, you don't lie to police, you don't lie to prosecutors.
You shoot unarmed suspects in the back, conceal and destroy evidence, lie to police and prosecutors...You go to jail. These two people deserve to be in jail.
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History says he tried and failed miserably to begin revolutions in S.America. Castro didn't even want him anywhere near the Bay of Pigs because he was such a poor leader.
He died alone and as a failure.
And Castro might be a fuck, but he succeed in Cuba. Che has gained a mythic status because of shmoes and their t-shirts which bear his image.
You must be looking at history through a kaleidoscope. Che Guevara really wasn't much of a killer, as the only people he killed were suspected traitors. He was definitely not a poor leader, and any failures to spark revolution in S.America or Africa was due to the fact that it was bound to fail and not due to any shortcomings of him. You can't lead idiots.
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You can't lead idiots.
Are you sure?
Pelosi has been doing it for quite a while.
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Bullshit is what it is.
These two morons shot an unarmed drug transporter from behind, concealed the evidence and tried to hide the whole ordeal, lied to police and prosecutors.
They were tried and sentenced by a jury of their peers with all of the evidence presented.
Why would their sentences be commuted? Dumb ass people who think that all of their crimes mean nothing just because the guy they were abusing was a drug dealer or a sketchy individual, and just because the two men were border guards. The fact that the drug dealer is a scumbag is irrelevant. Scumbag or no Scumbag, you don't shoot unarmed people in the back, you don't conceal and destroy evidence, you don't lie to police, you don't lie to prosecutors.
You shoot unarmed suspects in the back, conceal and destroy evidence, lie to police and prosecutors...You go to jail. These two people deserve to be in jail.
Your username tells a whole lot about you. They shot a drug dealer... Big fucking deal... You must be pissed that your shipment got stopped.
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Are you sure?
Pelosi has been doing it for quite a while.
Yep.. Pelosi is the biggest idiot on the hill. Too bad her constituents keep re-electing her.
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Are you sure?
Pelosi has been doing it for quite a while.
Not with that specific goal in mind. You can get them to do what you say, but you can't stop them from doing things that hurt the cause.
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You must be looking at history through a kaleidoscope. Che Guevara really wasn't much of a killer, as the only people he killed were suspected traitors. He was definitely not a poor leader, and any failures to spark revolution in S.America or Africa was due to the fact that it was bound to fail and not due to any shortcomings of him. You can't lead idiots.
Don't waste your time man ,this is Getbig you know.
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Your username tells a whole lot about you. They shot a drug dealer... Big fucking deal... You must be pissed that your shipment got stopped.
they were dirty cops
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/09/04/ramos_compean/index.html
At trial in the federal courthouse in El Paso, Border Patrol agents from the Fabens station took the stand to testify against Ramos and Compean. Fellow agents, including one who had observed the shooting, contradicted Compean's story about where he was and how he was positioned when he fired his weapon. The agent who had helped Compean hide shell casings admitted it under oath. Prosecutors showed that Compean had repeatedly changed his story about the shooting and that it didn't match Ramos' account. They were also able to show that although Compean had discussed the shooting with other agents after it happened, it wasn't until his arrest that he began claiming that Aldrete-Davila had had a gun.
The prosecution's version of events was convincing enough for the jury, in March 2006, to find Ramos and Compean guilty of all but assault with intent to commit murder. Most media coverage of the case was local, and it comported with the jury's verdict: a bad shooting, a coverup and damning testimony from fellow agents that led to an uncontroversial conviction. Seven months later, a judge sentenced Ramos and Compean to 11 and 12 years in prison, respectively.
But by the time of their sentencing, the right wing had discovered the agents and begun constructing a new narrative. Ramos and Compean's newfound supporters soon settled on a radically different version of the shooting, cobbled together from speculation, rumors, misstatements of fact and various unproven assertions cherry-picked from the case the defense presented at trial.
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Your username tells a whole lot about you. They shot a drug dealer... Big fucking deal... You must be pissed that your shipment got stopped.
I think drugs should be legalized anyway. As far as they knew, they shot a guy for transporting a few hundred pounds of a plant that people smoke to change their feelings. If you look at it for what it is, you'll see how they were wrong. We waste billions in this country putting people in prison for a plant that they smoke while at the same time other more dangerous plants (tobacco for instance) are legal.
Also, they DESTROYED EVIDENCE, LIED TO THE POLICE, LIED TO PROSECUTORS. If these were 2 innocent people then why did they do all they could to hide what they did?
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Dirty cops. Who cares?
Lied to police. Who cares?
Destroyed evidence. Who cares?
Lied to prosecutors. Who cares?
Shot an unarmed man in the back. Who cares?
It was a drug dealer! That exonerates everything they did! Duhh!
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I think drugs should be legalized anyway. As far as they knew, they shot a guy for transporting a few hundred pounds of a plant that people smoke to change their feelings. If you look at it for what it is, you'll see how they were wrong. We waste billions in this country putting people in prison for a plant that they smoke while at the same time other more dangerous plants (tobacco for instance) are legal.
Also, they DESTROYED EVIDENCE, LIED TO THE POLICE, LIED TO PROSECUTORS. If these were 2 innocent people then why did they do all they could to hide what they did?
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I could forgive the DESTROYED EVIDENCE, LIED TO THE POLICE, LIED TO PROSECUTORS if it keeps a known drug dealer from polluting our streets.. These two guys should get a medal. plain and simple.
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Dirty cops. Who cares?
Lied to police. Who cares?
Destroyed evidence. Who cares?
Lied to prosecutors. Who cares?
Shot an unarmed man in the back. Who cares?
It was a drug dealer! That exonerates everything they did! Duhh!
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Glad you see it clearly. That's it in a nutshell... I sleep better at night knowing two guys like this don't mind shooting scumbags.
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History says he tried and failed miserably to begin revolutions in S.America. Castro didn't even want him anywhere near the Bay of Pigs because he was such a poor leader.
He died alone and as a failure.
And Castro might be a fuck, but he succeed in Cuba. Che has gained a mythic status because of shmoes and their t-shirts which bear his image.
he died alone and a failure? yeah he was captured, tortured and killed.
good on the bush pardons.
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I could forgive the DESTROYED EVIDENCE, LIED TO THE POLICE, LIED TO PROSECUTORS if it keeps a known drug dealer from polluting our streets.. These two guys should get a medal. plain and simple.
You dumbfuck. What the guy was doing shouldn't even be illegal.
Would you be saying everything you're saying if this guy was transporting Dandelions opposed to Marijuana?
Why does the fact that the plant is smoked and makes people feel different have any relevance?
Moreover, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Didn't you learn this as a child? If I commit several crimes to stop a crime, I belong in jail also. That is how our society continues to exist. There is a reason why what they did was illegal, and why they were put in jail.
The guy would have been jailed anyway. These 2 jackasses are so fucking stupid that their actions actually ensured that the drugdealer got away.
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Glad you see it clearly. That's it in a nutshell... I sleep better at night knowing two guys like this don't mind shooting scumbags.
So you've never used Marijuana in your life? Hypocrite?
Never had alcohol?
Never had tobacco?
Would you feel the same way if he was transporting Alcohol or Tobacco? Both substances are much more dangerous than Marijuana. Why is someone transporting Marijuana necessary a scumbag?
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I sleep better at night knowing two guys like this don't mind shooting scumbags.
the problem is who gets to decide who's a scumbag? we already have a system in place to do that, trial by jury. and even though juries can make mistakes, we have a system in place to correct that, the appeal process. two police officers don't have the authority to make such decisions, mainly because if they're wrong there is no way to undo their actions.
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The war on drugs is one of the biggest farces of the 20th and 21th century. It's a joke, and far too many mental midgets like to go by what they are told by propaganda and believe that "drugs are bad" or "Just say no" while at the same time actually using illegal drugs or using legal drugs that are just as bad or worse.
A marijuana transporter? Shoot him in the back and destroy the evidence!!!
A tobacco or alcohol seller? Let'em alone!
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The war on drugs is one of the biggest farces of the 20th and 21th century. It's a joke, and far too many mental midgets like to go by what they are told by propaganda and believe that "drugs are bad" or "Just say no" while at the same time actually using illegal drugs or using legal drugs that are just as bad or worse.
A marijuana transporter? Shoot him in the back and destroy the evidence!!!
A tobacco or alcohol seller? Let'em alone!
Quit being such a whiny Pothead. Don't you have a bag of Funyuns to eat or something?
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Quit being such a whiny Pothead. Don't you have a bag of Funyuns to eat or something?
I'm not a pothead by any means. By your logic, though, would someone who disapproves of prohibition be an Alcoholic? ::)
Why am I bothering making well thought out responses to simpletons? Waste of time.
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Why am I bothering making well thought out responses to simpletons? Waste of time.
They're not as well thought out as you might think.
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They're not as well thought out as you might think.
Sure they are. If they were simple or wrong then people would be all over them to respond to them and prove their own intelligence. But the fact that my responses are indeed totally correct and thought out means that people are much less likely to actually respond to their content, to the arguments I'm making.
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Good job, Pres Bush!
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Good job, Pres Bush!
Why?
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he died alone and a failure? yeah he was captured, tortured and killed.
good on the bush pardons.
Put simply, what did he do? What did he accomplish.
Answer: Nothing.
Except that his image adorns countless trinkets sold to unsuspecting idiots that think it makes them hip and cool.
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Sure they are. If they were simple or wrong then people would be all over them to respond to them and prove their own intelligence. But the fact that my responses are indeed totally correct and thought out means that people are much less likely to actually respond to their content, to the arguments I'm making.
Nobody cares about what you think either way. It is the same liberal response to a topic that has been debated way too many times for anyone to care.
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Put simply, what did he do? What did he accomplish.
Answer: Nothing.
Except that his image adorns countless trinkets sold to unsuspecting idiots that think it makes them hip and cool.
So since we're killing anyone who has done nothing and accomplished nothing...How long have you got left? You surely must be high on the list.
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Nobody cares about what you think either way. It is the same liberal response to a topic that has been debated way too many times for anyone to care.
Your post disproves your own contention. ::)
Not the brightest bulb in the room are we?
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Your post disproves your own contention. ::)
Not the brightest bulb in the room are we?
Another excellent post ::)
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So since we're killing anyone who has done nothing and accomplished nothing...How long have you got left? You surely must be high on the list.
Huh? You must have trouble with reading comprehension, boy.
I was speaking of Che and the supposed "merits" of his life as a failed revolutionary and T-Shirt star of capitalism.
I wasn't speaking of the drug dealer by any means. If the two border agents are crooked then they should be in jail. But I sure am not going to lose any sleep over a drug dealer being shot either.
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You dumbfuck. What the guy was doing shouldn't even be illegal.
Would you be saying everything you're saying if this guy was transporting Dandelions opposed to Marijuana?
Why does the fact that the plant is smoked and makes people feel different have any relevance?
Moreover, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Didn't you learn this as a child? If I commit several crimes to stop a crime, I belong in jail also. That is how our society continues to exist. There is a reason why what they did was illegal, and why they were put in jail.
The guy would have been jailed anyway. These 2 jackasses are so fucking stupid that their actions actually ensured that the drugdealer got away.
Dumbfuck huh? Good one. Great come back... I bet you still live with your mom.
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Huh? You must have trouble with reading comprehension, boy.
I was speaking of Che and the supposed "merits" of his life as a failed revolutionary and T-Shirt star of capitalism.
I wasn't speaking of the drug dealer by any means. If the two border agents are crooked then they should be in jail. But I sure am not going to lose any sleep over a drug dealer being shot either.
I know you were talking about Che, I just thought that you were implying that he was killed because he accomplished nothing.
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Dumbfuck huh? Good one. Great come back... I bet you still live with your mom.
My comeback was my entire post. Your responding to only 1 word of my entire post refuting your ignorance is proof: You're a dumbfuck! Here it is again since you clearly missed it:
What the guy was doing shouldn't even be illegal.
Would you be saying everything you're saying if this guy was transporting Dandelions opposed to Marijuana?
Why does the fact that the plant is smoked and makes people feel different have any relevance?
Moreover, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Didn't you learn this as a child? If I commit several crimes to stop a crime, I belong in jail also. That is how our society continues to exist. There is a reason why what they did was illegal, and why they were put in jail.
The guy would have been jailed anyway. These 2 jackasses are so fucking stupid that their actions actually ensured that the drug dealer got away.
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I know you were talking about Che, I just thought that you were implying that he was killed because he accomplished nothing.
No, and I'm not sure how you could infer that from what I was typing.
Anyways....
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My comeback was my entire post. Your responding to only 1 word of my entire post refuting your ignorance is proof: You're a dumbfuck! Here it is again since you clearly missed it:
What the guy was doing shouldn't even be illegal.
Would you be saying everything you're saying if this guy was transporting Dandelions opposed to Marijuana?
Why does the fact that the plant is smoked and makes people feel different have any relevance?
Moreover, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Didn't you learn this as a child? If I commit several crimes to stop a crime, I belong in jail also. That is how our society continues to exist. There is a reason why what they did was illegal, and why they were put in jail.
The guy would have been jailed anyway. These 2 jackasses are so fucking stupid that their actions actually ensured that the drug dealer got away.
I am certainly thankful you don't make the laws in this country. Thanks for playing. little boy.
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I am certainly thankful you don't make the laws in this country. Thanks for playing. little boy.
What the guy was doing shouldn't even be illegal.
Would you be saying everything you're saying if this guy was transporting Dandelions opposed to Marijuana?
Why does the fact that the plant is smoked and makes people feel different have any relevance?
Moreover, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Didn't you learn this as a child? If I commit several crimes to stop a crime, I belong in jail also. That is how our society continues to exist. There is a reason why what they did was illegal, and why they were put in jail.
The guy would have been jailed anyway. These 2 jackasses are so fucking stupid that their actions actually ensured that the drug dealer got away.
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What the guy was doing shouldn't even be illegal.
Would you be saying everything you're saying if this guy was transporting Dandelions opposed to Marijuana?
Why does the fact that the plant is smoked and makes people feel different have any relevance?
Moreover, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Didn't you learn this as a child? If I commit several crimes to stop a crime, I belong in jail also. That is how our society continues to exist. There is a reason why what they did was illegal, and why they were put in jail.
The guy would have been jailed anyway. These 2 jackasses are so fucking stupid that their actions actually ensured that the drug dealer got away.
Yes, I would be saying it if he was transporting Dandelions. He is coming here illegally. Maybe shooting a few on the border will make the rest of them think twice about crossing the border.
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Forget the border patrol agents, when is Bush gonna release Titus?
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Yes, I would be saying it if he was transporting Dandelions. He is coming here illegally. Maybe shooting a few on the border will make the rest of them think twice about crossing the border.
You'd agree with someone being shot in the back for crossing the border to import dandelions?
You're a nutjob.
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You'd agree with someone being shot in the back for crossing the border to import dandelions?
You're a nutjob.
I'll take that as a compliment. You don't understand that most of the people coming over the border are stopping you from getting a job at McDonald's!
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I'll take that as a compliment. You don't understand that most of the people coming over the border are stopping you from getting a job at McDonald's!
First of all, I never see Mexicans working at McDonalds. Mostly blacks.
Second of all, If the worse thing that illegals are doing is preventing me from working at McDonalds, then I see no problem with them being here at all!
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It's about time - but they have to sit in prison for 2 more months.
AP
(Jan. 19) - In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday granted early prison releases to two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer fueled the national debate over illegal immigration.
Bush, responding to heavy pressure from Republican and Democratic lawmakers alike, commuted the prison sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. The two guards from El Paso, Texas, each were sentenced to more than 10 years for the shooting, which they tried to cover up. They will be released within two months.
supposedly out now. its about fucking time!!!
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supposedly out now. its about fucking time!!!
Crooked, dishonest, corrupt cops belong in jail.