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"Press Release IFBB Bodybuilder-Professional RONNEY ROCKEL
IFBB-PRO Ronny Rockel World Tour 2013
After placing in high standings consistently for seasons 2003 to 2011, Ronny Rockel will be participating in the coming 2013 season in a total of ten competitions. Unfortunately, Ronny was not able to fully meet the top performance expectations needed to compete in the previous 2012 season. Unfortunately at the end of the 2012 season he became aware of his sudden diagnoses with Type-2 Diabetes. Explaining Ronny’s unsatisfied level of performance during the second half of that season, thus preventing him from reaching his true competitive form. During that time Ronny has taken intensive steps to over come the obstacles that have surfaced from this unfortunate illness. Together with his own medical advisor, Ronny has developed a pre-season strategy to over come the challenges faced with his diagnoses. The first provisions that have thus far been taken show real promise for a strong comeback.
For the coming 2013 season, Ronny will take part in the following bodybuilding competitions;
02.03.2013 Arnold Classic, Columbus Ohio
13.04.2013 Fibo-Power, Colone - Germany
26.04.2013 Arnold Classic, Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
05.05.2013Mr. Europe, Santa Susana, Spain
25.05.2013New York Pro
31.08.2013Nordic Pro, Lahti, Finnland
28.09.2013 Mr. Olympia, Las Vegas
12.10.2013Arnold Classic Europe, Madrid, Spain
19.10.2013British Grand Prix, Manchester, England
26.10.2013EVL’s Prague Pro, Prag, CZ
Ronny is set on reaching the finals in every event listed above in his fighting attempt to go home victorious. Currently, Ronny is in the preliminary training phase in preparation for the upcoming Arnold Classic.
Fans can follow his RONNY ROCKEL WORLD TOUR 2013 by means of his FaceBook page through the following Homepage link: www.ronnyrockel.de. On his homepage, periodic updates as well as results will be posted.
For those here in Europe, you can find Ronney visiting the 2013 FIBO Show in Köln from the 11th to 14th of April. He will be presented to his fans at the WEIDER Nutrition stand and as well as a FIBO-POWER competition participant. "
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Ouch
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All those who called it, please step up and collect your earnings... :-X
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Gee, I wonder how this happened?
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Very unlucky. Must be hereditary. Even being healthy, training hard and often, can't beat your DNA.
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that and a LOT of SHGH and or Slin too
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I predict this will be the first of many.
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God works in mysterious ways
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(http://ronnyrockel.info/images/Ronny_Rockel_ripped.jpg)
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probably nothing to do with steroids
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probably nothing to do with steroids
Peptide hormones, not steroid hormones.
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All those who called it, please step up and collect your earnings... :-X
How much do I get? I called it years ago.
Per our phone convo...
Joe: Milos, you ruined bodybuilding with insulin and it's going cause health problems in the long run.
Milos: Fuck you, Joe. It's perfectly safe.
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going for the health look
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Coach was dead on.
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It's type II, which means his body is still producing its own insulin, but mainly, his insulin receptors have burned out.
So here's my posit to the getbig drug elite:
I think the culprit was it too much GH, which is known to cause hyperglycemia, the result of which led to over-secretion of insulin, which burned out his receptors. If you're pumping GH throughout the day, you're really hammering some hyperglycemic situations, which forces the islet cells to crank out insulin non-stop. And in the constant flux of insulin, the receptors simply shut down.
I don't think it was excessive insulin use or IGF1 use. Type II presents as an imbalance between blood glucose concentrations and insulin output. But there's still insulin output. If it was due to insulin abuse, his pancreas wouldn't be making its own insulin very well, but it is (otherwise they would have diagnosed him with a form of type I).
So let this be a lesson to the GH guys. Get your metformin in you if you're going to use it. Don't ignore the real risks of type II beetus when you hammer the GH non-stop, throughout the day, for months on end.
The good news for Ronny is that it's very manageable to recover from type II if you're dedicated to beating the disease. It doesn't have to be a death sentence. But it would require quitting professional bodybuilding.
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It's type II, which means his body is still producing its own insulin, but mainly, his insulin receptors have burned out.
So here's my posit to the getbig drug elite:
I think the culprit was it too much GH, which is known to cause hyperglycemia, the result of which led to over-secretion of insulin, which burned out his receptors. If you're pumping GH throughout the day, you're really hammering some hyperglycemic situations, which forces the islet cells to crank out insulin non-stop. And in the constant flux of insulin, the receptors simply shut down.
I don't think it was excessive insulin use or IGF1 use. Type II presents as an imbalance between blood glucose concentrations and insulin output. But there's still insulin output. If it was due to insulin abuse, his pancreas wouldn't be making its own insulin very well, but it is (otherwise they would have diagnosed him with a form of type I).
So let this be a lesson to the GH guys. Get your metformin in you if you're going to use it. Don't ignore the real risks of type II beetus when you hammer the GH non-stop, throughout the day, for months on end.
The good news for Ronny is that it's very manageable to recover from type II if you're dedicated to beating the disease. It doesn't have to be a death sentence. But it would require quitting professional bodybuilding.
yes all around good news and advices just take another drug to offset some of the gh side effects bro cant get good advice like this for free anymore or from billy down the street
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How much do I get? I called it years ago.
Per our phone convo...
Joe: Milos, you ruined bodybuilding with insulin and it's going cause health problems in the long run.
Milos: Fuck you, Joe. It's perfectly safe.
Joe? Plus 10. Well done.
Milos? All that 'here now, jump now' shit - 20. What a maroon.
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It's type II, which means his body is still producing its own insulin, but mainly, his insulin receptors have burned out.
So here's my posit to the getbig drug elite:
I think the culprit was it too much GH, which is known to cause hyperglycemia, the result of which led to over-secretion of insulin, which burned out his receptors. If you're pumping GH throughout the day, you're really hammering some hyperglycemic situations, which forces the islet cells to crank out insulin non-stop. And in the constant flux of insulin, the receptors simply shut down.
I don't think it was excessive insulin use or IGF1 use. Type II presents as an imbalance between blood glucose concentrations and insulin output. But there's still insulin output. If it was due to insulin abuse, his pancreas wouldn't be making its own insulin very well, but it is (otherwise they would have diagnosed him with a form of type I).
So let this be a lesson to the GH guys. Get your metformin in you if you're going to use it. Don't ignore the real risks of type II beetus when you hammer the GH non-stop, throughout the day, for months on end.
The good news for Ronny is that it's very manageable to recover from type II if you're dedicated to beating the disease. It doesn't have to be a death sentence. But it would require quitting professional bodybuilding.
sounds very convincing.I am sure this is all backed up with peer reviewed publications and extensive medical knowledge
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It's type II, which means his body is still producing its own insulin, but mainly, his insulin receptors have burned out.
So here's my posit to the getbig drug elite:
I think the culprit was it too much GH, which is known to cause hyperglycemia, the result of which led to over-secretion of insulin, which burned out his receptors. If you're pumping GH throughout the day, you're really hammering some hyperglycemic situations, which forces the islet cells to crank out insulin non-stop. And in the constant flux of insulin, the receptors simply shut down.
I don't think it was excessive insulin use or IGF1 use. Type II presents as an imbalance between blood glucose concentrations and insulin output. But there's still insulin output. If it was due to insulin abuse, his pancreas wouldn't be making its own insulin very well, but it is (otherwise they would have diagnosed him with a form of type I).
So let this be a lesson to the GH guys. Get your metformin in you if you're going to use it. Don't ignore the real risks of type II beetus when you hammer the GH non-stop, throughout the day, for months on end.
The good news for Ronny is that it's very manageable to recover from type II if you're dedicated to beating the disease. It doesn't have to be a death sentence. But it would require quitting professional bodybuilding.
Yea, except he is competing in 10 shows in 2013...
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Yea, except he is competing in 10 shows in 2013...
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/487125_478415502197364_649737968_n.jpg)
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
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gh and or insulin.
good luck with those.
if you dont look good on steroids alone, you wont look good on anthying,
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/304260_255431024495814_1044411327_n.jpg)
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Looking better than Branch here.
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/284833_231188696920047_2599787_n.jpg)
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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it is well known that one of the highest risk factors for developing type 2 diabetes is lack of exercise
we all know that most ifbb pros are lazy and barely train so that would be my bet
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Looking better than Branch here.
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/284833_231188696920047_2599787_n.jpg)
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Holy shit, he looks flawless in that pic (no homo). Goes to show you the power of photo editing
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poor guy must be all the sugar in the celltech.
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"Press Release IFBB Bodybuilder-Professional RONNEY ROCKEL
IFBB-PRO Ronny Rockel World Tour 2013
After placing in high standings consistently for seasons 2003 to 2011, Ronny Rockel will be participating in the coming 2013 season in a total of ten competitions. Unfortunately, Ronny was not able to fully meet the top performance expectations needed to compete in the previous 2012 season. Unfortunately at the end of the 2012 season he became aware of his sudden diagnoses with Type-2 Diabetes. Explaining Ronny’s unsatisfied level of performance during the second half of that season, thus preventing him from reaching his true competitive form. During that time Ronny has taken intensive steps to over come the obstacles that have surfaced from this unfortunate illness. Together with his own medical advisor, Ronny has developed a pre-season strategy to over come the challenges faced with his diagnoses. The first provisions that have thus far been taken show real promise for a strong comeback.
For the coming 2013 season, Ronny will take part in the following bodybuilding competitions;
02.03.2013 Arnold Classic, Columbus Ohio
13.04.2013 Fibo-Power, Colone - Germany
26.04.2013 Arnold Classic, Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
05.05.2013Mr. Europe, Santa Susana, Spain
25.05.2013New York Pro
31.08.2013Nordic Pro, Lahti, Finnland
28.09.2013 Mr. Olympia, Las Vegas
12.10.2013Arnold Classic Europe, Madrid, Spain
19.10.2013British Grand Prix, Manchester, England
26.10.2013EVL’s Prague Pro, Prag, CZ
Ronny is set on reaching the finals in every event listed above in his fighting attempt to go home victorious. Currently, Ronny is in the preliminary training phase in preparation for the upcoming Arnold Classic.
Fans can follow his RONNY ROCKEL WORLD TOUR 2013 by means of his FaceBook page through the following Homepage link: www.ronnyrockel.de. On his homepage, periodic updates as well as results will be posted.
For those here in Europe, you can find Ronney visiting the 2013 FIBO Show in Köln from the 11th to 14th of April. He will be presented to his fans at the WEIDER Nutrition stand and as well as a FIBO-POWER competition participant. "
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sounds very convincing.I am sure this is all backed up with peer reviewed publications and extensive medical knowledge
The theory and side-effects and control of hyperglycemia with GH are backed up by peer reviewed publications. That's what I said what I said.
You believe differently? Please, contribute and share.
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The theory and side-effects and control of hyperglycemia with GH are backed up by peer reviewed publications. That's what I said what I said.
You believe differently? Please, contribute and share.
Nevermind him. Your post was solid, a good summary.
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livin the dream...
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poor guy must be all the sugar in the celltech.
LOL
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Does that mean his jizz is sweet like marshmallow ?
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diabetes did not stop tim
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diabetes did not stop tim
and he got a type 1 diabete...
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I hope I never get diabetes. I could live with it,.. would just be a pain in the ass.
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Very unlucky. Must be hereditary. Even being healthy, training hard and often, can't beat your DNA.
correct. I bet bodybuilding helped him to stave it off this long. thank goodness for this sport.
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All those who called it, please step up and collect your earnings... :-X
"Big" Down Hill, heart attack by his first MMA fight.
Ronny Rockel, blood pressure of peace.
One step closer to the win ;D
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It must be type 2 diabetes, type 1 is where the immune system rejects the pancreas and that usually begins at birth/childhood.
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this will be breaking news on CNN in ½ an hour.
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after he stops BB, he will have more time to fine tune his English and start a worldwide videoblog as Will Brink's!
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HIGH amount of HGH did this not insulin. plus when a bodybuilder feed his body with this insane amout of carb for year and years like 700-1000g a day every day of the year. it is bound to happen
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HIGH amount of HGH did this not insulin. plus when a bodybuilder feed his body with this insane amout of carb for year and years like 700-1000g a day every day of the year. it is bound to happen
change your avatar the Lambert one is mine lol.
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Wow 10 shows??!!! That's a little too excessive pretty much 1 every month , I don't know how he manages his organs must be screaming for mercy!!
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Wow 10 shows??!!! That's a little too excessive pretty much 1 every month , I don't know how he manages his organs must be screaming for mercy!!
he asking for trouble, he's gonna get it.
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he asking for trouble, he's gonna get it.
He ain't that young anymore either... it's only going to get worse that's for sure
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Rockell is one of the biggest abusers in the sport today...from gear to slin to gh...he paid the price.
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Rockell is one of the biggest abusers in the sport today...from gear to slin to gh...he paid the price.
Greetings BFG. Please post a thread about the latest in the bodybuilding community. In terms of drugs of course.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=406744.0;attach=449286)
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Interesting choice, that Rockell decides to make his diabetes public info as an excuse for his poor placings.
He has many other health issues.
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Interesting choice, that Rockell decides to make his diabetes public info as an excuse for his poor placings.
He has many other health issues.
Such as?
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his liver and kidneys wont last much longer.
I'm not usually one to air the dirty laundry of one personal by name but Rockell is a dick.
Hes showing up watery and less hard in contests due to type 2 diabetes? lol...he has diabetes, but hes showing up watery despite the death-defying quantity of diuretics he takes due to the shutdown of his entire body.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=421066.msg6044633;topicseen#msg6044633)
brutal hairline on the other guy
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his liver and kidneys wont last much longer.
I'm not usually one to air the dirty laundry of one personal by name but Rockell is a dick.
Hes showing up watery and less hard in contests due to type 2 diabetes? lol...he has diabetes, but hes showing up watery despite the death-defying quantity of diuretics he takes due to the shutdown of his entire body.
When Phil said he did what he had to do to win the night he won the O last year and he came out much more dry than the day prior, do these guys just up the dont on the diuretics and slin?
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bfg's posts read like a novel
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When Phil said he did what he had to do to win the night he won the O last year and he came out much more dry than the day prior, do these guys just up the dont on the diuretics and slin?
Not many drugs can make a big difference in 24 hours except diuretics (IV Lasix), plasma expanders (albumin, hetastarch, etc) and insulin. If he needed to come in "Dryer" in 24 hours, you can do the math..
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bfg what is the minimal amounts and types of drugs I would have to take to look like this? (possible with only testosterone?)
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2010/12/12/18553342/gallerypic/IrHVnMjkfMqMWciBemPIJZXkuQPLByyJhLIGe.jpg)
i look like this without any drugs
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Already posted a response on the gh15 boarding.
Don't sweat it, guys. Pros don't have normal endocrine functions - THEY CONTROL THEIR HORMONES, NOT THEIR BODY!!!
Diabetes mellitus is a classified as a medical problem pertaining to glucose metabolism and the bodies inability to mitigate this through the pancreas and other endocrine hormones. You're either born with it (type I) or develop it later in life (type II). It's generally treated with insulin sensitizing drugs or exogenous insulin. And in case you forgot, let me hit the Caps Lock key for ya - IFBB PROS ALREADY TAKE EXOGENOUS INSULIN WITH EVERY MEAL!!!!!!!
Think about it, fellas. Think long and hard... no one's going to freak out if they're diagnosed as being hypogonadal because before they even stepped on their first stage they've already stuck their ass cheeks with hundreds of doses of testosterone and other steroids. It's OBVIOUS that they're going to be hypogonadal because they're replacing a function that their body would normally handle on it's own. Insulin is just another endocrine hormone. Why would T2DM be a concern when they're already taking enough insulin to last 10 lifetimes? No one takes more insulin than an IFBB pro and I'm willing to bet that Ronnie or any other pro doesn't even take a look at the ticks on the syringe. They probably just fill it up and eat what they're accustomed to based on experience and intuition.
snx also summed things up beautifully as well. We're lucky to have posters like him and BFG. Just remember that at the end of the day it doesn't mean fuck all. Pros already supplement with exogenous hormones, and the treatment for diabetes and hypogonadism is to supplement with exogenous hormones lol. He's already diabetic and now he's just getting an official diagnosis I suppose. It's completely arbitrary.
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brutal hairline on the other guy
TIM BELKNAP TRADE MARK HAIRLINE WORSENED TO RESEMBLE JOE COCKER TRADEMARK HAIRLINE.THICK ASS BUILD THO,THICK JOINTS AND HUGE FOREARMS AND CALVES
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this can be done with test alone.
i use him as example because he's narrow as fuck too :D
but would be a high dosage of testosterone right?
or low dosage for long time with "hard work dedication, chicken and broccoli?"
thanks friend
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i use him as example because he's narrow as fuck too :D
but would be a high dosage of testosterone right?
or low dosage for long time with "hard work dedication, chicken and broccoli?"
thanks friend
DUDE HAS GREAT ARMS...
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DUDE HAS GREAT ARMS...
yeah i can barely believe he is 6' tall with round melons like that and monkey forearms
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Narrow as hell. Phil would be proud.
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Narrow as hell. Phil would be proud.
when we unite we will be unstoppable
remember there's a lot more of us
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fitness and health lifestyle
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Gee, I wonder how this happened?
HMMMM !!!!!!!
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So we might see another German die besides munzer? :D
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HIGH amount of HGH did this not insulin. plus when a bodybuilder feed his body with this insane amout of carb for year and years like 700-1000g a day every day of the year. it is bound to happen
abuse insulin, become diabetic. not rocket science....
how you equate this to GH.... has nothing to do with that lol... also bodybuilders of the 70's in arnolds days consumed tons of food none of them became diabetic..
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great marketable look, young and handsome with lots of muscle
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Already posted a response on the gh15 boarding.
Don't sweat it, guys. Pros don't have normal endocrine functions - THEY CONTROL THEIR HORMONES, NOT THEIR BODY!!!
Diabetes mellitus is a classified as a medical problem pertaining to glucose metabolism and the bodies inability to mitigate this through the pancreas and other endocrine hormones. You're either born with it (type I) or develop it later in life (type II). It's generally treated with insulin sensitizing drugs or exogenous insulin. And in case you forgot, let me hit the Caps Lock key for ya - IFBB PROS ALREADY TAKE EXOGENOUS INSULIN WITH EVERY MEAL!!!!!!!
Think about it, fellas. Think long and hard... no one's going to freak out if they're diagnosed as being hypogonadal because before they even stepped on their first stage they've already stuck their ass cheeks with hundreds of doses of testosterone and other steroids. It's OBVIOUS that they're going to be hypogonadal because they're replacing a function that their body would normally handle on it's own. Insulin is just another endocrine hormone. Why would T2DM be a concern when they're already taking enough insulin to last 10 lifetimes? No one takes more insulin than an IFBB pro and I'm willing to bet that Ronnie or any other pro doesn't even take a look at the ticks on the syringe. They probably just fill it up and eat what they're accustomed to based on experience and intuition.
snx also summed things up beautifully as well. We're lucky to have posters like him and BFG. Just remember that at the end of the day it doesn't mean fuck all. Pros already supplement with exogenous hormones, and the treatment for diabetes and hypogonadism is to supplement with exogenous hormones lol. He's already diabetic and now he's just getting an official diagnosis I suppose. It's completely arbitrary.
You're no slouch in the information department yourself!
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i use him as example because he's narrow as fuck too :D
but would be a high dosage of testosterone right?
or low dosage for long time with "hard work dedication, chicken and broccoli?"
thanks friend
Don't think high dosage would be needed if genetics are decent. I have known naturals that were very close or equal to that.
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Don't think high dosage would be needed if genetics are decent. I have known naturals that were very close or equal to that.
not sure if seriouis
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Already posted a response on the gh15 boarding.
Don't sweat it, guys. Pros don't have normal endocrine functions - THEY CONTROL THEIR HORMONES, NOT THEIR BODY!!!
Kind of apples and oranges here. You don't go into a coma or die from low test levels. Being diabetic is something I don't want to mess with.
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You're no slouch in the information department yourself!
Thanks, man. It's reassuring to see that some people know what's going on or at least have an interest in finding out the real deal behind what we're doing to our bodies. I don't have any interest in doing things wrong, wasting money and sacrificing my health to learn things the hard way. It perplexes me as to why other people don't share the same interest. They run big, stupid doses, get bloofy and drive their health into the ground for no gain at all. It just doesn't make sense to me! Ain't nobody got time for that!
Kind of apples and oranges here. You don't go into a coma or die from low test levels. Being diabetic is something I don't want to mess with.
Well, they're both endocrine hormones secreted by different endocrine organs. Using insulin incorrectly poses a much more immediate threat to your health than taking steroids though, so I see where you're train of thought is going. In a nutshell - same shit, different pile. ;D
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40 yo.. hummm i wonder if their is any history of diabetics in his family?
http://www.ahrq.gov/research/diabdisp.htm
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Already posted a response on the gh15 boarding.
Don't sweat it, guys. Pros don't have normal endocrine functions - THEY CONTROL THEIR HORMONES, NOT THEIR BODY!!!
Diabetes mellitus is a classified as a medical problem pertaining to glucose metabolism and the bodies inability to mitigate this through the pancreas and other endocrine hormones. You're either born with it (type I) or develop it later in life (type II). It's generally treated with insulin sensitizing drugs or exogenous insulin. And in case you forgot, let me hit the Caps Lock key for ya - IFBB PROS ALREADY TAKE EXOGENOUS INSULIN WITH EVERY MEAL!!!!!!!
Think about it, fellas. Think long and hard... no one's going to freak out if they're diagnosed as being hypogonadal because before they even stepped on their first stage they've already stuck their ass cheeks with hundreds of doses of testosterone and other steroids. It's OBVIOUS that they're going to be hypogonadal because they're replacing a function that their body would normally handle on it's own. Insulin is just another endocrine hormone. Why would T2DM be a concern when they're already taking enough insulin to last 10 lifetimes? No one takes more insulin than an IFBB pro and I'm willing to bet that Ronnie or any other pro doesn't even take a look at the ticks on the syringe. They probably just fill it up and eat what they're accustomed to based on experience and intuition.
snx also summed things up beautifully as well. We're lucky to have posters like him and BFG. Just remember that at the end of the day it doesn't mean fuck all. Pros already supplement with exogenous hormones, and the treatment for diabetes and hypogonadism is to supplement with exogenous hormones lol. He's already diabetic and now he's just getting an official diagnosis I suppose. It's completely arbitrary.
I appreciate your point of view, but there's a big difference between hypogonadism and T2DM and their treatments. Diabetes will KILL a person; I can't say that hypogonadism would do the same. Not directly at least. I don't think it's as easy as just keeping his Slin usage consistent throughout the day. He's going to f*** himself up way worse by continuing to bodybuild, let alone compete.
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They're all type II's...A lot just don't know it or don't want to know it.
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They're all type II's...A lot just don't know it or don't want to know it.
I think so too.
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I think so too.
That carpal tunnel people complain about when using HGH is really the pins and needles early symptoms in limbs of type II diabetes imop.
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That carpal tunnel people complain about when using HGH is really the pins and needles early symptoms in limbs of type II diabetes imop.
I've thought it was from subcutaneous and intersegmental water retention. Because guys can get it from their first dose ever of GH. I would think the peripheral neuropathy related to T2DM would take longer to take effect. But just my opinion, who knows....
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If he just has Type 2 diabetes then it's probably completely reversible. But he has to come
off the GH and other drugs that contribute to it, meanwhile continuing the insulin to protect the organs.
Continuing to compete is probably not the best idea until he has the situation under control.
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And in case you forgot, let me hit the Caps Lock key for ya - IFBB PROS ALREADY TAKE EXOGENOUS INSULIN WITH EVERY MEAL!!!!!!!
Why would T2DM be a concern when they're already taking enough insulin to last 10 lifetimes? No one takes more insulin than an IFBB pro and I'm willing to bet that Ronnie or any other pro doesn't even take a look at the ticks on the syringe.
I don't think they all use insulin with every meal all year round. Not at all. This probably manifested during the competitive season because he didn't use as much insulin. Jack up GH, reduce insulin, use stimulants etc = high BG.
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How much do I get? I called it years ago.
Per our phone convo...
Joe: Milos, you ruined bodybuilding with insulin and it's going cause health problems in the long run.
Milos: Fuck you, Joe. It's perfectly safe.
Milos' way of using insulin isn't that crazy at all. The dosages are relatively low and only during workouts. It's the monster GH dosages you have to worry about. Of course adding insulin to this doesn't help the sensitivity... but OTOH if doing tons of GH insulin can protect your organs. Milos was right about that.
Your buddy Beradi was hawking that Biotest crap to boost insulin during workouts. His dieting ideas were exactly like Milos'. Sure he didn't talk about injecting insulin... but it's the same fucking idea.
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Probably busily reciting Goethe to himself.
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Ronny is mentally ill.
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If he just has Type 2 diabetes then it's probably completely reversible. But he has to come
off the GH and other drugs that contribute to it, meanwhile continuing the insulin to protect the organs.
Continuing to compete is probably not the best idea until he has the situation under control.
Yeah, if you follow a strict diet , not bber diet, for the rest of your live.
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live fast die young
leave a palumbowned looking corpse
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Yeah, if you follow a strict diet , not bber diet, for the rest of your live.
Nah, this could have been a very temporary drug reaction. Too little info to know what exactly was going on and how his health is now.
It's possible the whole story is BS ...you can never trust a bb. Whenever a bb has a health issue they almost always lie about some aspect of it.
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Nah, this could have been a very temporary drug reaction. Too little info to know what exactly was going on and how his health is now.
true, by the size of his gut it could just be Gestational diabetes... :D
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I appreciate your point of view, but there's a big difference between hypogonadism and T2DM and their treatments. Diabetes will KILL a person; I can't say that hypogonadism would do the same. Not directly at least. I don't think it's as easy as just keeping his Slin usage consistent throughout the day. He's going to f*** himself up way worse by continuing to bodybuild, let alone compete.
The level of danger is irrelevant in terms of the pathology, which was what I was talking about. They're screwing up their body to the point where it can't return to homeostasis, and it shouldn't be a surprise in the least.
For him to state that he has T2DM is arbitrary and asinine. The dude has abused drugs for decades and his insulin sensitivity and response (or lack thereof) is the least of his worries. Just a drop in the bucket. I'm sure he has way bigger health challenges to worry about.
I don't think they all use insulin with every meal all year round. Not at all. This probably manifested during the competitive season because he didn't use as much insulin. Jack up GH, reduce insulin, use stimulants etc = high BG.
Yeah, virtually all of my posts are hyperboles. It's so simple to fall into patterns of abuse when you have the financial ability to abuse stuff like GH; and we know that insulin and GH are often used in tandem. Jack up the slin and growth is jacked up in relatively close alignment.
When I watched friends (sellers) blast GH it was incredible to watch. Many of them are smart, but a few dumbasses just reconstitute vial after vial and fill up their slin pins with insulin, banging it all back around the clock. They get big, but also bloofy when they get locked into this mindset. They don't pay any attention to what's happening in their body and I guess that is a bit of where my disdain comes from. I can't afford that at all. And I'm also upset that they're so wasteful with it too... if I could be taking ANY GH at all I'd be in heaven. But I ground myself by remembering that this is a "sport" where the person on the most drugs usually gets ahead. I'm still young, I've learned a lot of lessons and I'm happy with my physique the way it is. I've also got my health too, something which is a lot more important than sheathes of muscle.
While we're on the subject, I did a lot of experimentation with low dosed insulin and the effects it has on the body are marked and very distinguished. It was really interesting and it's way different IRL than 10g of carbs for every iu of insulin. I respect this hormone a lot more and have some plans in the back of my mind in case I come across some affordable GH again. I've tried GH a few times too and I feel that it was enough to really learn a lot from it. If I had access to affordable GH I'd definitely supplement with insulin a few times a week for some nice, appreciable growth. For big lazy bodybuilders, I'd implore them to at least bust out a blood glucose monitor once or twice a year and buy a pack of testing strips. It'd be good to do a bit of a break every now and again and make sure that things are relatively balanced without these hormones.
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huge pink dildo on the table
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huge pink dildo on the table
he can take that. Diabetes won't be a problem.
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I've always pictured Dustin to be a guy in a lab next to his high tech computer (which he built himself), wearing glasses and trying to solve calculus equations and analyzing every steroid injection he does. I am also pretty sure he aced his SAT.
That was a compliment btw
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So what's the difference for him? He took Slin shots b4, and he's gonna take Slin shots afterwards. ::)
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Dustin is a smart guy that's been around for a long time.. great posts from him in here.
On another note, Ronnie Rockel is completely retarded.
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Dustin is a smart guy that's been around for a long time.. great posts from him in here.
On another note, Ronnie Rockel is completely retarded.
oh really?
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;D ;D ;D
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if gh makes one a diabetic people with hiv would all get it and so would the millions of older guys getting gh
maybe a non diabetic that takes slin.....
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I've always pictured Dustin to be a guy in a lab next to his high tech computer (which he built himself), wearing glasses and trying to solve calculus equations and analyzing every steroid injection he does. I am also pretty sure he aced his SAT.
That was a compliment btw
Thanks, man! That's really close, except I had my friend assemble my computer because I was too lazy, I do actually have massive nerd glasses (bought them online thinking they were smaller, but they go well with my massive cranium) and instead of teching out on the computer I'm actually spending most of my time looking at cat pictures and stupid memes. My wife occasionally comes down to my office, only to shake her head and slowly close the door when she sees me giggling like a phaggot. ;D
Dustin is a smart guy that's been around for a long time.. great posts from him in here.
On another note, Ronnie Rockel is completely retarded.
Thanks, broham! We've both come a long way, but you've made shit tons more progress than me. I was admittedly scared when I saw your massive off season pics, but it looks like you've learned your lesson and only do things correctly now. I saw you owning the fuck out of a lot of people here and on bb.com again lol
We had some awesome scraps back in the day that I can still remember! Those were the days, eh? It's great to see that you still have it, man! lol 8)
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Thanks, man! That's really close, except I had my friend assemble my computer because I was too lazy, I do actually have massive nerd glasses (bought them online thinking they were smaller, but they go well with my massive cranium) and instead of teching out on the computer I'm actually spending most of my time looking at cat pictures and stupid memes. My wife occasionally comes down to my office, only to shake her head and slowly close the door when she sees me giggling like a phaggot. ;D
LMFAO. A nerd on steroids, gotta love it.
Thanks, broham! We've both come a long way, but you've made shit tons more progress than me. I was admittedly scared when I saw your massive off season pics, but it looks like you've learned your lesson and only do things correctly now. I saw you owning the fuck out of a lot of people here and on bb.com again lol
We had some awesome scraps back in the day that I can still remember! Those were the days, eh? It's great to see that you still have it, man! lol 8)
I remember mattyh from the bb.com days too in the supp misc. He used to get fat as fuck in the off season before dialing it down show time
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oh really?
Weird fucking video.
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Diabeetuss.
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Dieutbuss.
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa18/CapnPenguin/diabeetus.jpg)
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Thanks, broham! We've both come a long way, but you've made shit tons more progress than me. I was admittedly scared when I saw your massive off season pics, but it looks like you've learned your lesson and only do things correctly now. I saw you owning the fuck out of a lot of people here and on bb.com again lol
We had some awesome scraps back in the day that I can still remember! Those were the days, eh? It's great to see that you still have it, man! lol 8)
hahah those days were great.. in reality I was still pretty clueless and was always seeking some type of confrontation it seemed haha.. then I stopped caring about bodybuilding.com. I haven't been there in a longggg time.
I use to get so obese, it is embarassing lol. Then I realized, it was awful for dieting for a show, I was very unhealthy, and hell, girls found my blubber repulsive and wonder where my abs went lol.
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Weird fucking video.
starring weird people.
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ronny is a great "ambassador" of the "sport"
i feel sorry for him how he just took all that abuse
if i was in the audience i would have stood up for you ronny :'(
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if gh makes one a diabetic people with hiv would all get it and so would the millions of older guys getting gh
maybe a non diabetic that takes slin.....
We're talking mega doses here, broham.
Therapeutic doses are low.
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ronny is a great "ambassador" of the "sport"
i feel sorry for him how he just took all that abuse
if i was in the audience i would have stood up for you ronny :'(
The abomination with the glasses should get stomped - too bad Rockel isn't eloquent enough to defend his hobby.
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ronny is a great "ambassador" of the "sport"
i feel sorry for him how he just took all that abuse
if i was in the audience i would have stood up for you ronny :'(
He doesn't seem to be too bright or witty of a guy....at all.
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hahah those days were great.. in reality I was still pretty clueless and was always seeking some type of confrontation it seemed haha.. then I stopped caring about bodybuilding.com. I haven't been there in a longggg time.
I use to get so obese, it is embarassing lol. Then I realized, it was awful for dieting for a show, I was very unhealthy, and hell, girls found my blubber repulsive and wonder where my abs went lol.
Yup I used to go there to buy/sell supplements lol. Ended up realizing it was a community of supp whoring reps. A whole bunch of people from that board attended one of your shows I remember
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Yup I used to go there to buy/sell supplements lol. Ended up realizing it was a community of supp whoring reps. A whole bunch of people from that board attended one of your shows I remember
Watch your mouth, bro.... Matty and I used to be one of those supp whoring reps!! ;D
The sad thing is that we both believed it. We were just experiencing newb gains, then graduated to juicing. And I'm glad to see that we've all wised up. I don't know if he wasted as much money as I did on supplements though. I used to spend a thousand bucks on big bodybuilding.com orders, no jokes. :(
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Watch your mouth, bro.... Matty and I used to be one of those supp whoring reps!! ;D
The sad thing is that we both believed it. We were just experiencing newb gains, then graduated to juicing. And I'm glad to see that we've all wised up. I don't know if he wasted as much money as I did on supplements though. I used to spend a thousand bucks on big bodybuilding.com orders, no jokes. :(
Fucking shamefully, I did too. It still upsets me to this day >:(
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He doesn't seem to be too bright or witty of a guy....at all.
Fucking Alex23 >:( now every time I read one of your post, I read it in the squeaky Mike Tyson voice.
PS: Sorry Wiggs but I think it is hilarious ;D
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"During that time Ronny has taken intensive steps to over come the obstacles that have surfaced from this unfortunate illness. Together with his own medical advisor, Ronny has developed a pre-season strategy to over come the challenges faced with his diagnoses. The first provisions that have thus far been taken show real promise for a strong comeback."
you can't make this shit up..why is he even competing anymore? shouldn't he move on to another phase of his life.
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Fucking shamefully, I did too. It still upsets me to this day >:(
Mhm. I know I sound like a broken record but I will bitch about it till my dying days lol
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"During that time Ronny has taken intensive steps to over come the obstacles that have surfaced from this unfortunate illness. Together with his own medical advisor, Ronny has developed a pre-season strategy to over come the challenges faced with his diagnoses. The first provisions that have thus far been taken show real promise for a strong comeback."
you can't make this shit up..why is he even competing anymore? shouldn't he move on to another phase of his life.
the next phase is death
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Rockel rocking a farewell interview... in German.
...lost his job, moved in with his mom, became trainer(+jobs on the sides), turned fitness expert and boom - went pro.
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if gh makes one a diabetic people with hiv would all get it and so would the millions of older guys getting gh
maybe a non diabetic that takes slin.....
Thats the thing...Tons of people are borderline and or have type II and don't know it. The problem with pro bodybuilders getting diabetes is diabetes will fukc up your kidneys. All these pros will have kidney failure in the near future.
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He doesn't seem to be too bright or witty of a guy....at all.
He is just shy. I would love to see that fat bitch talk to Craig Titus like that. :-X
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i use him as example because he's narrow as fuck too :D
but would be a high dosage of testosterone right?
or low dosage for long time with "hard work dedication, chicken and broccoli?"
thanks friend
200mg per week plus eating real food and consistent training can get you there.
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He is just shy. I would love to see that fat bitch talk to Craig Titus like that. :-X
Or Bertil Fox
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200mg per week plus eating real food and consistent training can get you there.
I really hope it's true
or are you being sarcastic
cant tell
lol
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He is just shy. I would love to see that fat bitch talk to Craig Titus like that. :-X
Craig Would destroy her.
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He is just shy. I would love to see that fat bitch talk to Craig Titus like that. :-X
Craig Titus is a bitch. He wouldn't even fight OMR. True story.
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This belongs here.
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is there one single pro today that is not insulin resistant?
they all slam insulin all day long and it s just a matter of time until the receptors are downregulated (diabetes typ II)
claiming hes diabetic is just an excuse for his lacking performance
he will go down more and more, he s over 40 and worn out
this is why his sponsor WEIDER Germnay burries him with so many contests this year
he s a poor man ,,
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is there one single pro today that is not insulin resistant?
they all slam insulin all day long and it s just a matter of time until the receptors are downregulated (diabetes typ II)
claiming hes diabetic is just an excuse for his lacking performance
he will go down more and more, he s over 40 and worn out
this is why his sponsor WEIDER Germnay burries him with so many contests this year
he s a poor man ,,
he had awesome build few yrs ago,shape ,full look,bur he's aged like wolf from hard dose..
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he had awesome build few yrs ago,shape ,full look,bur he's aged like wolf from hard dose..
For sure. He still does, but you can see that his conditioning eludes him now. He's getting more of a burnt out look, despite what are clearly his best efforts (slin abuse, halo abose, complete disregard for his serious health implications). You can see that he's dying for us bitches but his conditioning is just slipping away now. It's a lot more apparent with other guys that just turn to shit but Rockel has been one solid looking mother fucker for a long time and it sucks to see time and drug abuse catch up with him.
He just seems so bitter and aged now. He's starting to fall off the trolley for sure. He was pretty fucking solid until recently but everyone's got an expiration date.
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Has Ronnie ever been in amazing shape? Especially from behind.
I never thought he was in fantastic condition but maybe I forget how he looked
at his best.
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Has Ronnie ever been in amazing shape? Especially from behind.
I never thought he was in fantastic condition but maybe I forget how he looked
at his best.
From the back he's got the same problem as a lot of aesthetic guys. Troy Alves comes to mind. They're just put together so well that I think it's hard to nit pick things like conditioning. I guess it is a little off, but he looks really fucking cool. He looks like a stacked, cartoon midget! 8)
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I've seen Craig in action on some occasions and he would have murdered that fat bitch.
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I'd get re-tested. Dude looks healthy here. I think the diabetes medication industry might need to re-examine their standards.
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bfg what is the minimal amounts and types of drugs I would have to take to look like this? (possible with only testosterone?)
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i look like this without any drugs
It is unclear how this works; you undoubtedly looked like this prior to taking drugs and you may have been lifting for some time so you believe that this was the best you could be without them. However, once you started drugs you continued to work out and make gains. Are you saying that with out drugs, all your bodybuilding efforts would not have also made a difference in your physique.
When I was 16, I looked like a escapee from a concentration camp who was starved nearly to death for years. Our family doctor put me on 5 mg of D-bol daily and a shot of test each week. By the time I was 18, I was a lot bigger, although it was likely more fat than muscle.
If I posted before and after photos from that time, they would honestly depict the effects of steroids alone, because I really did not start working out with weights in earnest until sometime later. Obviously, steroids enhance weight training gains. But to be very scientific about this, one would have to post before and after photos where weight training did not include any steroids and then before and after photos where steroids were not accompanied by weight training. Perhaps then a third set of photos where both weight training and steroids were employed. Then you would have a true scientific comparison which would prove the benefits (?) of steroids.
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I'd get re-tested. Dude looks healthy here
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=32376&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
Muntzer died a few weeks after this photo
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Craig Titus is a bitch. He wouldn't even fight OMR. True story.
Not true at all. He would fight in a second when he was dealing drugs here in Louisiana and Texas, he was a true badass. Ask Melvin Anthony, Chris Cormier and King K.
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How old is he ?
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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We're talking mega doses here, broham.
Therapeutic doses are low.
Actually, people with HIV/AIDS wasting are prescribed 18 iu's a day of serostim(4 kits a month, 7 18iu vials in each kit....whether or not this is necessary, or just a scam so serono can make a shitload of money is still up for debate). It's a well known fact that long term gh use will cause insulin resistance. You take the good with the bad, in the case of someone with wasting disease.
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Actually, people with HIV/AIDS wasting are prescribed 18 iu's a day of serostim(4 kits a month, 7 18iu vials in each kit....whether or not this is necessary, or just a scam so serono can make a shitload of money is still up for debate). It's a well known fact that long term gh use will cause insulin resistance. You take the good with the bad, in the case of someone with wasting disease.
Holy shit, I did not know this. I was referring to HRT doses. 18ius a day is amazing.
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Holy shit, I did not know this. I was referring to HRT doses. 18ius a day is amazing.
In relation to bodyweight it s Even more !
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Holy shit, I did not know this. I was referring to HRT doses. 18ius a day is amazing.
It's absolutely fucking insane.
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I believe Belknap had diabetes before he was a bodybuilder, and may have been one of the "pioneers" in using insulin for bodybuilding, because, in fact, he wasn't using it for that purpose.
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Clearly he's going for the midget look.
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Has Ronnie ever been in amazing shape? Especially from behind.
I never thought he was in fantastic condition but maybe I forget how he looked
at his best.
. In one of the Bfto videos not sure if is 06 or 07 he really looks great from every angle.