Author Topic: N.Y. taxes set to skyrocket to fund Govt. Employee Pensions. (Govt sucks!)  (Read 443 times)

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Pension Costs for Local Governments May Triple

DANNY HAKIM

Published: July 7, 2009


ALBANY — Local governments in New York State face an unprecedented increase in pension costs that will force them to triple their contributions to the state pension system over the next six years, according to an analysis prepared by the comptroller’s office.

By 2015, pension costs borne by local governments upstate, on Long Island and in New York City’s suburbs will exceed $8 billion a year, compared with $2.6 billion last year, under the analysis, which was circulated to legislative and county leaders and obtained by The New York Times this month.

The analysis predicts that counties will have to contribute an amount equal to nearly one-third of their civilian payrolls to the state pension system and more than 40 percent of their payrolls for police and fire departments.

County leaders fear that the soaring contributions will put heavy pressure on their budgets as they struggle to keep up with retirement promises made in times of prosperity.

And there is no clear strategy to mitigate the damage, as Gov. David A. Paterson and Comptroller Thomas P. DiNapoli have clashed over plans to provide even modest pension relief.

“It’s alarming, eye-popping and unthinkable,” said Stephen J. Acquario, executive director of the New York State Association of Counties. “To manage that liability in the face of this deep decline in government revenues is going to be a challenge,” he said. “Where is this money going to come from?”

A less sharp rate of increase has been forecast for New York City, which has its own pension system, but only because it is more poorly funded than the state pension fund and already requires steeper contributions. Still, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg suggested in January that the city could face a 50 percent increase in contributions over the next six years, potentially rising to about $9 billion from $6 billion.

Much depends, of course, on how the financial markets perform: The state’s pension fund was $109.9 billion at the end of March and $153.9 billion a year earlier. It lost $44 billion in the fiscal year that ended on March 31. The loss represents 26.3 percent when considering the sharp downturn in the stock market, but does not reflect the contributions and payouts into and out of the pension system last year.

Mr. DiNapoli’s office cautioned that the figures it circulated represented only one possible chain of events, and depend in part on a healthy stock market recovery in the first half of the next decade.

The analysis envisions a market rebound similar to the one after the crash of 1987, with a return of 1.5 percent in the current fiscal year, annual returns in excess of 13 percent in the next two years and more than 10 percent in the succeeding three years.

According to the analysis, pension contribution rates for civilian employees in local governments will soar to 30.3 percent by 2015, from 7.4 percent of payroll this year. Contributions to police and fire department retirement plans are expected to increase to 41.1 percent in 2015 from 15.1 percent this year.

“It is staggering,” said Peter Baynes, executive director of the New York Conference of Mayors. “The only way they’re going to deal with it is through property taxes and reductions in the work force.”

If there is any silver lining, the trends appear to have somewhat curbed Albany’s appetite for extending pension enhancements to public employees to placate labor unions, which wield enormous clout and lobbying dollars in the capital.

“I’m alarmed,” said Assemblyman Peter J. Abbate Jr., a Brooklyn Democrat and the chairman of the Assembly’s Labor Committee, who is one of the capital’s more reliable union allies.


“Bluntly,” he said, “I’ve spoken to a lot of the union leaders and their lobbyists and said I don’t want to see bills that will cost the counties and the state millions of dollars.”

The governor and Mr. DiNapoli have wrestled over strategies to address the pension burdens. Mr. DiNapoli has proposed allowing local governments to amortize their payments: They would essentially borrow from the state to ease their payments now, and make interest payments later.

Mr. DiNapoli said his plan would “clearly mitigate the impact of rising rates on the state, local governments and taxpayers.”

But the governor, as well as local officials, have criticized it. Mr. Paterson said in May that increased pension contributions would have “a devastating impact on already overburdened local property tax payers,” adding, “the comptroller’s proposal does nothing to mitigate these additional burdens.”

Mr. Acquario agreed, saying the idea of borrowing from the state was “like buying groceries on a credit card.”

The governor has proposed limiting the pensions offered to new state workers, an idea embraced by many fiscal watchdogs. But he was working on revisions to the bill and failed to present it to the Assembly before the end of its legislative session last month, which halted action on the measure.

Pension woes are only one financial burden facing New York. This year, the governor and state lawmakers relied on federal stimulus payments and a two-year tax increase on the wealthy to balance the budget in the short term, but left large deficits in the succeeding years. Wall Street, the state’s main financial engine, has been severely weakened, and tax revenues across the board have fallen sharply and even more steeply than anticipated. Then there is the stalemate in the State Senate, which has paralyzed capital business.

For all states, sustaining traditional pensions could be difficult. “We’ve promised more than we can deliver,” said Zvi Bodie, a pension expert and a professor of finance at the Boston University School of Management. “Going forward, we’re going to have to promise less.”

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N.Y. is going down just like CA due to liberal spending insanity.

Screw these govt workers.  I could care less about them and their bloated pensions.   

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Cant the governor of NY see...oh,sorry.Is the governor blind....oh,sorry.The fact is,when you have democrats running a state,the state is headed for doom.Compare NY and Cali. to Texas.

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Cant the governor of NY see...oh,sorry.Is the governor blind....oh,sorry.The fact is,when you have democrats running a state,the state is headed for doom.Compare NY and Cali. to Texas.

DU'H obviously you seem to forget that the financial disaster in america was and is due to the REPUBLICANS. You are now seeing the effects of their corruption coming into fruition.

Since Hevesi was in control of the pension fund in New York everything was fine, then he was ousted and immediately the fund drops tremendously...HMMMMM..c an you say more corruption and stealing of the funds to pad politicians pockets. To save money on pension funds New York should start by cancelling those cops pensions which are in many cases HIGHER THAN THEIR FINAL SALARIES. ABSURD!!! You are talking BILLIONS of dollars being wasted paying out to this scum. Add to this the massive DISABILITY FRAUD amongst cops and firefighters in New York..again massive amounts of money being paid out. This on top of TOP OF THE LINE BENEFITS AND INSURANCE. New York wants to save money...THEN START BY STOP WASTING IT!!!!
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DU'H obviously you seem to forget that the financial disaster in america was and is due to the REPUBLICANS. You are now seeing the effects of their corruption coming into fruition.

Since Hevesi was in control of the pension fund in New York everything was fine, then he was ousted and immediately the fund drops tremendously...HMMMMM..c an you say more corruption and stealing of the funds to pad politicians pockets. To save money on pension funds New York should start by cancelling those cops pensions which are in many cases HIGHER THAN THEIR FINAL SALARIES. ABSURD!!! You are talking BILLIONS of dollars being wasted paying out to this scum. Add to this the massive DISABILITY FRAUD amongst cops and firefighters in New York..again massive amounts of money being paid out. This on top of TOP OF THE LINE BENEFITS AND INSURANCE. New York wants to save money...THEN START BY STOP WASTING IT!!!!

Amen Samson!

I know cops who make 175k a year and are going to retire at 45 with pensions and health care for life at almost 100k!

They abuse the OT the last three years becauxe in NY the pension is based on the average of the last three years' pay. 

NY Cops are worse than a criminal gang.   

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DU'H obviously you seem to forget that the financial disaster in america was and is due to the REPUBLICANS. You are now seeing the effects of their corruption coming into fruition.

Since Hevesi was in control of the pension fund in New York everything was fine, then he was ousted and immediately the fund drops tremendously...HMMMMM..c an you say more corruption and stealing of the funds to pad politicians pockets. To save money on pension funds New York should start by cancelling those cops pensions which are in many cases HIGHER THAN THEIR FINAL SALARIES. ABSURD!!! You are talking BILLIONS of dollars being wasted paying out to this scum. Add to this the massive DISABILITY FRAUD amongst cops and firefighters in New York..again massive amounts of money being paid out. This on top of TOP OF THE LINE BENEFITS AND INSURANCE. New York wants to save money...THEN START BY STOP WASTING IT!!!!

The entire economy fell because the housing market crashed.It crashed because of the community re-investment act which was jammed through by dems to get poor people houses who couldnt pay for it.This was done to level the playing field and donr for good old diversity by people like Chris Dodd,Barney Frank.THATS who caused this.

The pensions are in place because greedy,stupid,uselss unions jammed it through.Democrat controlled unions.You cant rewrite history to fit your lift wing bullshit.Libs caused this as they continue to cause it with their dumb ass programs and silly spending.

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The entire economy fell because the housing market crashed.It crashed because of the community re-investment act which was jammed through by dems to get poor people houses who couldnt pay for it.This was done to level the playing field and donr for good old diversity by people like Chris Dodd,Barney Frank.THATS who caused this.

The pensions are in place because greedy,stupid,uselss unions jammed it through.Democrat controlled unions.You cant rewrite history to fit your lift wing bullshit.Libs caused this as they continue to cause it with their dumb ass programs and silly spending.

The govt unions are out of control and still demanding raises and pension enhancements.  Its insane.  We have garbage men making 125k and up. 

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The entire economy fell because the housing market crashed.It crashed because of the community re-investment act which was jammed through by dems to get poor people houses who couldnt pay for it.This was done to level the playing field and donr for good old diversity by people like Chris Dodd,Barney Frank.THATS who caused this.

The pensions are in place because greedy,stupid,uselss unions jammed it through.Democrat controlled unions.You cant rewrite history to fit your lift wing bullshit.Libs caused this as they continue to cause it with their dumb ass programs and silly spending.

America's economy CRASHED when it decided it would no longer manufacture anything!!!! Every nation's economy is based on manufactured products. America outsourced everything to China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan etc many years ago. That was the first major problem that has led to the ruined financial state of america. Add to this corporate greed starting with the S&L scandal which looted america for over a TRILLION dollars, then came the DOT COM scandal...once again TRILIONS looted, then came the corporate scandal..TRILLIONS looted still again, then came the mortgage scandal and again TRILLIONS, then the financials TRILLIONS looted again now there are BAILOUTS where TRILLIONS ARE GIVEN AWAY. All total there has to have easily been over ONE HUNDRED TRILLION DOLLARS LOOTED FROM AMERICA in recent years. Now comes the commercial real estate bust and the derivative bust...once that occurs iit is lights out for america...and guess what?...THE UNIONS DID NOT HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH ANY OF IT!!!!
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America's economy CRASHED when it decided it would no longer manufacture anything!!!! Every nation's economy is based on manufactured products. America outsourced everything to China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan etc many years ago. That was the first major problem that has led to the ruined financial state of america. Add to this corporate greed starting with the S&L scandal which looted america for over a TRILLION dollars, then came the DOT COM scandal...once again TRILIONS looted, then came the corporate scandal..TRILLIONS looted still again, then came the mortgage scandal and again TRILLIONS, then the financials TRILLIONS looted again now there are BAILOUTS where TRILLIONS ARE GIVEN AWAY. All total there has to have easily been over ONE HUNDRED TRILLION DOLLARS LOOTED FROM AMERICA in recent years. Now comes the commercial real estate bust and the derivative bust...once that occurs iit is lights out for america...and guess what?...THE UNIONS DID NOT HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH ANY OF IT!!!!

Yeah but they add to huge property taxes people have to pay the localities.