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Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
« on: November 06, 2006, 12:28:30 PM »
Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
A Houston company's rejection of a client shocks some in the city, where homosexuals have made strides.
By Lianne Hart, Times Staff Writer
November 6, 2006

HOUSTON — The co-owner of a landscaping company here called Garden Guy turned down a job last month by sending an e-mail to a man who had requested an estimate for work on his yard:

"I am appreciative of your time on the phone today and glad you contacted us," Sabrina Farber wrote. "I need to tell you that we cannot meet with you because we choose not to work with homosexuals. Best of luck in finding someone else to fill your landscaping needs. All the best."

Floored, the recipient of the e-mail, Michael Lord, and his partner forwarded the message to dozens of friends. Within days the e-mail had spread across the Internet in blogs, websites and gardening forums from Seattle to Washington, D.C.

Farber and her husband, Todd, who've owned the landscaping company since 1991, were bombarded with profane phone calls and e-mails. Their online forum flooded with outraged posts.

"It blackens my mind to think that an alternative version of the KKK is alive & kicking in the USA," read one of the milder comments.

The Farbers, declining interviews, released a statement saying they "do not hate homosexuals" and "did not refuse service with malicious intent…. We meant to uphold our right as small business owners to choose who our clients are. We are humbly sorry for the hurt that it has caused."

Lord and his partner, Gary Lackey, also declined to be interviewed.

The episode was a jolt to many in Houston, where gays and lesbians have enjoyed increasing acceptance over the years.

Despite the city's conservative reputation, there's been a significant shift in support of gay rights here, said Jack Valinski, executive director of Pride Houston, a gay-rights group.

"The e-mail was an aberration. People may want to discriminate, but they're not blatant and public about it like they were before."

Gay and lesbian activist Carol Wyatt said she's "not surprised by homophobia, but that this woman thought it was socially acceptable to write about it in an e-mail. We've come a long way in Houston in terms of tolerance and acceptance. For this to bubble up is embarrassing for a lot of people who care about this city."

There have been no threats of legal action, and both sides seem content to let the matter die. But Valinski said activists may push for an anti-discrimination ordinance that prevents businesses from rejecting customers based on sexual orientation.

The Farbers are clear about their convictions in a "Learn About Garden Guy" page of their website ( http://www.garden-guy.com ). "The God-ordained institution of marriage is under attack in courts across the nation, and your help is needed," reads a tagline that refers readers to http://www.nogaymarriage.com .

Tim Wildmon, president of the Tupelo, Miss.-based American Family Assn., defends the Farbers.

"It shouldn't come as a shock when a guy who takes his faith seriously says, 'I can't support this,' " Wildmon said. "He doesn't need to be persecuted for his actions."

A few posters on the now-defunct Garden Guy forum agreed.

"Gays, lesbians and transgendered people do plenty of picking & choosing who they work with too," wrote one. "You just had the guts to say it," wrote another.

But the Assn. of Professional Landscape Designers declared that "this conduct does not conform to the policy and practice of APLD."

In an e-mail to friends, Sabrina Farber reportedly wrote that her husband received death threats, and she was told she shouldn't have had the right to bear children. The couple delisted their home phone number, which had appeared on the Internet along with their home address.

Houston has come a long way since the 1970s, when police arrested women for wearing pants with the zipper in front, said Phyllis Frye, a transgender lawyer. She led a successful drive to overturn the ordinance that made it a crime to dress in public like a member of the opposite sex.

Fast-forward to June, when Sgt. Jack Oliver, a 24-year veteran of the Houston Police Department, held a news conference to announce he was preparing to undergo a sex change operation. Sitting alongside him in support was the president of the Houston Police Officers' Union.

The change has come slowly, in fits and starts. Voters overwhelmingly passed a state constitutional ban on gay marriage last year. Yet Houston has two openly lesbian elected officials: city controller Annise Parker, who has been elected five times to a city office, and councilwoman Sue Lovell.

In 2005, 49% of respondents surveyed in Houston believed that homosexuality was "morally wrong," down from 59% in 1997. "This is a good-ol'-boy town that has changed a lot, but not as much as we'd like," Valinski said.

In the meantime, those put off by Garden Guy's policy can protest with their wallets, longtime gay activist and former evangelical Baptist Ray Hill said. "The Garden Guy isn't the only landscape company in the Yellow Pages," he said.

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Re: Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2006, 02:07:18 PM »
Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
A Houston company's rejection of a client shocks some in the city, where homosexuals have made strides.
By Lianne Hart, Times Staff Writer
November 6, 2006



"I am appreciative of your time on the phone today and glad you contacted us," Sabrina Farber wrote. "I need to tell you that we cannot meet with you because we choose not to work with homosexuals. Best of luck in finding someone else to fill your landscaping needs. All the best."



Cool. I give the guy credit. He doesn't like gays and its his right to feel that way. As long as he doesn't cross the line and persecute them by spraying poison all over a gay mans lawn.
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Re: Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2006, 02:30:20 PM »
If some fag interior designer refused to work with someone because they were straight, nobody would care, or better yet it would be laughed about, so who cares?  EVERY business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone they want.  It's not a public service.

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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2006, 02:40:26 PM »
If some fag interior designer refused to work with someone because they were straight, nobody would care, or better yet it would be laughed about, so who cares?  EVERY business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone they want.  It's not a public service.
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam true but a fags money is just as green as anyone elses never turn down money ...
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2006, 03:40:59 PM »
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam true but a fags money is just as green as anyone elses never turn down money ...

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2006, 05:00:45 PM »
fags always have a lot of money






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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2006, 05:04:15 PM »
As shitty as the landscapers may come across, I feel that's their right. Along the line of "No shirt. No shoes. No service".

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2006, 05:05:10 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2006, 06:04:30 PM »
As shitty as the landscapers may come across, I feel that's their right. Along the line of "No shirt. No shoes. No service".

It comes across more like discriminating against a certain group of people... like "We don't serve women." or "We don't serve Asians, Hispanics," etc...

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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2006, 07:21:35 PM »
it's like letting a black person be yer accountant


















































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Re: Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2006, 07:56:15 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2006, 08:01:11 PM »
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Re: Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2006, 09:00:27 PM »
Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
A Houston company's rejection of a client shocks some in the city, where homosexuals have made strides.
By Lianne Hart, Times Staff Writer
November 6, 2006

HOUSTON — The co-owner of a landscaping company here called Garden Guy turned down a job last month by sending an e-mail to a man who had requested an estimate for work on his yard:

"I am appreciative of your time on the phone today and glad you contacted us," Sabrina Farber wrote. "I need to tell you that we cannot meet with you because we choose not to work with homosexuals. Best of luck in finding someone else to fill your landscaping needs. All the best."

Floored, the recipient of the e-mail, Michael Lord, and his partner forwarded the message to dozens of friends. Within days the e-mail had spread across the Internet in blogs, websites and gardening forums from Seattle to Washington, D.C.

Farber and her husband, Todd, who've owned the landscaping company since 1991, were bombarded with profane phone calls and e-mails. Their online forum flooded with outraged posts.

"It blackens my mind to think that an alternative version of the KKK is alive & kicking in the USA," read one of the milder comments.

The Farbers, declining interviews, released a statement saying they "do not hate homosexuals" and "did not refuse service with malicious intent…. We meant to uphold our right as small business owners to choose who our clients are. We are humbly sorry for the hurt that it has caused."

Lord and his partner, Gary Lackey, also declined to be interviewed.

The episode was a jolt to many in Houston, where gays and lesbians have enjoyed increasing acceptance over the years.

Despite the city's conservative reputation, there's been a significant shift in support of gay rights here, said Jack Valinski, executive director of Pride Houston, a gay-rights group.

"The e-mail was an aberration. People may want to discriminate, but they're not blatant and public about it like they were before."

Gay and lesbian activist Carol Wyatt said she's "not surprised by homophobia, but that this woman thought it was socially acceptable to write about it in an e-mail. We've come a long way in Houston in terms of tolerance and acceptance. For this to bubble up is embarrassing for a lot of people who care about this city."

There have been no threats of legal action, and both sides seem content to let the matter die. But Valinski said activists may push for an anti-discrimination ordinance that prevents businesses from rejecting customers based on sexual orientation.

The Farbers are clear about their convictions in a "Learn About Garden Guy" page of their website ( http://www.garden-guy.com ). "The God-ordained institution of marriage is under attack in courts across the nation, and your help is needed," reads a tagline that refers readers to http://www.nogaymarriage.com .

Tim Wildmon, president of the Tupelo, Miss.-based American Family Assn., defends the Farbers.

"It shouldn't come as a shock when a guy who takes his faith seriously says, 'I can't support this,' " Wildmon said. "He doesn't need to be persecuted for his actions."

A few posters on the now-defunct Garden Guy forum agreed.

"Gays, lesbians and transgendered people do plenty of picking & choosing who they work with too," wrote one. "You just had the guts to say it," wrote another.

But the Assn. of Professional Landscape Designers declared that "this conduct does not conform to the policy and practice of APLD."

In an e-mail to friends, Sabrina Farber reportedly wrote that her husband received death threats, and she was told she shouldn't have had the right to bear children. The couple delisted their home phone number, which had appeared on the Internet along with their home address.

Houston has come a long way since the 1970s, when police arrested women for wearing pants with the zipper in front, said Phyllis Frye, a transgender lawyer. She led a successful drive to overturn the ordinance that made it a crime to dress in public like a member of the opposite sex.

Fast-forward to June, when Sgt. Jack Oliver, a 24-year veteran of the Houston Police Department, held a news conference to announce he was preparing to undergo a sex change operation. Sitting alongside him in support was the president of the Houston Police Officers' Union.

The change has come slowly, in fits and starts. Voters overwhelmingly passed a state constitutional ban on gay marriage last year. Yet Houston has two openly lesbian elected officials: city controller Annise Parker, who has been elected five times to a city office, and councilwoman Sue Lovell.

In 2005, 49% of respondents surveyed in Houston believed that homosexuality was "morally wrong," down from 59% in 1997. "This is a good-ol'-boy town that has changed a lot, but not as much as we'd like," Valinski said.

In the meantime, those put off by Garden Guy's policy can protest with their wallets, longtime gay activist and former evangelical Baptist Ray Hill said. "The Garden Guy isn't the only landscape company in the Yellow Pages," he said.

  Bay, why is it that each and every single one of your posts has something to do with homosexuality ??? What is this monomania about? Straight people don't make their sexual orientation the center of their lives: Why should the gays make? We know you're gay and we're cool with it - except for some derelicts who make gay jokes ad nauseum, despite not being exactly alpha males either. Let it go, dude. :-\

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Re: Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2006, 09:17:36 PM »
It comes across more like discriminating against a certain group of people... like "We don't serve women." or "We don't serve Asians, Hispanics," etc...

  Except, of course, that women have actually always had preferential treatment over men, such as not being drafted to have their bodies blown to pieces in foreign battle fields, getting payed maternity leave, having their lives given priority over men's in case of tragedies, etc - all males over age 18 died at the Titanic, but close to no adult women.

  The right to vote? Well, it didn't seem to matter much most of the time, since men have always elected politicians who put women and children first. Look at Victorian England, where boys could receive physical punishment at schools, but not girls. Go figure! Or during the Great Depression, when state aid was given to unmarried adult women even if they didn't need it, but not to adult adult men who were starving. Or, in the case of homosexuals, any sexual act between men was an institutionalized crime, while lesbians were given a free pass. The right to vote never seemed to benefit men much, and now with th female vote, things have become even more unequal as women vote en masse for politicians who enforce political correctness on men by creating laws that turn it a crime, in certain countries, to even mention that men and women are not equal.

   Men are  more intelligent than women when it comes to logical thinking, but womena are better at manipulation and deceit.They make men work for them and believe that they're benefitting in some way. Hey, on second thought, maybe women are more intelligent than men after all. I mean, what's the point of being able to come up withe the theory of relativity and understand differential geometry, if all women have to do is use their sexuality to get men to work for them? The shrewed bitches. >:(

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Re: Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2006, 09:24:06 PM »
  Except, of course, that women have actually always had preferential treatment over men, such as not being drafted to have their bodies blown to pieces in foreign battle fields, getting payed maternity leave, having their lives given priority over men's in case of tragedies, etc - all males over age 18 died at the Titanic, but close to no adult women.

  The right to vote? Well, it didn't seem to matter much most of the time, since men have always elected politicians who put women and children first. Look at Victorian England, where boys could receive physical punishment at schools, but not girls. Go figure! Or during prohibition, when state aid was given to unmarried adult women even if they didn't need it, but not to adult adult men who were starving. Or, in the case of homosexuals, any sexual act between men was an institutionalized crime, while lesbians were given a free pass. The right to vote never seemed to benefit men much, and now with th female vote, things have become even more unequal as women vote en masse for politicians who enforce political correctness on men by creating laws that turn it a crime, in certain countries, to even mention that men and women are not equal.

   Men are  more intelligent than women when it comes to logical thinking, but womena are better at manipulation and deceit.They make men work for them and believe that they're benefitting in some way. Hey, on second thought, maybe women are more intelligent than men after all. I mean, what's the point of being able to come up withe the theory of relativity and understand differential geometry, if all women have to do is use their sexuality to get men to work for them? The shrewed bitches. >:(

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Re: Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2006, 09:35:07 PM »
Talk about overkill.  Did this really need to be spread from coast to coast?  And talk about hypocrisy.  The guy who is accused of hating is bombarded with hate talk and hate mail.   ::)   

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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2006, 09:45:27 PM »
Talk about overkill.  Did this really need to be spread from coast to coast?  And talk about hypocrisy.  The guy who is accused of hating is bombarded with hate talk and hate mail.   ::)   

people want to compare it to some sort of civil rights struggle . . . but the other day i was looking at some magazine and they had a bunch of facts about gays being wealthier and more educated than the rest of the population.  the only sympathy they're really going to get on an issue like this is from their own.

if, on the other hand, it was a story about someone being kicked out of their family for being gay, then i would be more sympathetic.

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2006, 11:14:00 PM »
people want to compare it to some sort of civil rights struggle . . . but the other day i was looking at some magazine and they had a bunch of facts about gays being wealthier and more educated than the rest of the population.  the only sympathy they're really going to get on an issue like this is from their own.

if, on the other hand, it was a story about someone being kicked out of their family for being gay, then i would be more sympathetic.

Or if it was a story about someone being assaulted. 

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Re: Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2006, 11:24:01 PM »
I've had many gay clients.  I prefer them.  Less busy, more educated, more focused, very clear on what they want in a website, and polite as can be. 

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2006, 11:38:04 PM »
I've had many gay clients.  I prefer them.  Less busy, more educated, more focused, very clear on what they want in a website, and polite as can be. 

you forgot to mention well-groomed.

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2006, 11:41:47 PM »
you forgot to mention well-groomed.

i don't meet many of my clients.  So their hygeine doesn't really bother me.

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2006, 11:48:05 PM »
so, how do they broach their gayness over the internet/phone?

"hello, 240, this is gay jack calling. how are you?"

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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2006, 02:42:36 AM »
so, how do they broach their gayness over the internet/phone?

"hello, 240, this is gay jack calling. how are you?"

maybe they ask him to build "Gay for Pay" websites for them. I'm no detective,mind you,but I would say that would be a fairly solid clue.

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Re: Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2006, 03:00:54 AM »

Houston has come a long way since the 1970s, when police arrested women for wearing pants with the zipper in front

that's beautiful. they should bring that back!

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Re: Landscapers: We don't take gay customers
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2006, 03:52:41 AM »
  Except, of course, that women have actually always had preferential treatment over men, such as not being drafted to have their bodies blown to pieces in foreign battle fields, getting payed maternity leave, having their lives given priority over men's in case of tragedies, etc - all males over age 18 died at the Titanic, but close to no adult women.

  The right to vote? Well, it didn't seem to matter much most of the time, since men have always elected politicians who put women and children first. Look at Victorian England, where boys could receive physical punishment at schools, but not girls. Go figure! Or during the Great Depression, when state aid was given to unmarried adult women even if they didn't need it, but not to adult adult men who were starving. Or, in the case of homosexuals, any sexual act between men was an institutionalized crime, while lesbians were given a free pass. The right to vote never seemed to benefit men much, and now with th female vote, things have become even more unequal as women vote en masse for politicians who enforce political correctness on men by creating laws that turn it a crime, in certain countries, to even mention that men and women are not equal.

   Men are  more intelligent than women when it comes to logical thinking, but womena are better at manipulation and deceit.They make men work for them and believe that they're benefitting in some way. Hey, on second thought, maybe women are more intelligent than men after all. I mean, what's the point of being able to come up withe the theory of relativity and understand differential geometry, if all women have to do is use their sexuality to get men to work for them? The shrewed bitches. >:(

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