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Title: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 19, 2019, 01:14:13 PM
I want one of you Trump supporters to EXPLAIN just one of them...go ahead--JUST ONE
https://www.axios.com/mueller-report-trump-obstruction-of-justice-8280ecc0-6af6-4414-966b-1a3c5c0c38c8.html
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 19, 2019, 02:52:32 PM
Pretty self explanatory isn't it? Might be unethical, immoral or nothing at all but obviously not criminal or Clintons crony Mueller would have charged him.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 19, 2019, 03:15:01 PM
Well..well...well..
ANOTHERre- direct attempt from a Trump supporter??  ANOTHER one??
When will u guys just answer the questions asked and not just throw out any ol thing to take the spotlight off the matter at hand?

Here---just explain this one:

8. The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 19, 2019, 03:15:52 PM
That's called obstruction---and THAT'S what's gonna do him in.
Then his taxes..
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 19, 2019, 03:19:37 PM
Well..well...well..
ANOTHERre- direct attempt from a Trump supporter??  ANOTHER one??
When will u guys just answer the questions asked and not just throw out any ol thing to take the spotlight off the matter at hand?

Here---just explain this one:

8. The President Orders McGahn to Deny that the President Tried to Fire the Special Counsel
Sure, show me the evidence so I can dispute it.



That's called obstruction---and THAT'S what's gonna do him in.
Then his taxes..

Again? ::)
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 19, 2019, 03:44:08 PM
What??
it's IN THE REPORT!
 Special counsel Robert Mueller's report, a redacted version of which was released to the public Thursday morning, revealed President Trump ordered White House counsel Don McGahn to fire Mueller in 2017. McGahn refused to do so and threatened to resign instead, telling an associate the president had asked him to do "crazy shit."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mueller-report-white-house-counsel-don-mcgahn-refused-trump-order-to-fire-mueller-wary-of-saturday-night-massacre/
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: JustPlaneJane on April 19, 2019, 03:55:49 PM
That's called obstruction---and THAT'S what's gonna do him in.
Then his taxes..


LOL.

Pivoting from Russian Collusion back to taxes.

Next week it will be the electoral college that is going to do Trump in!

President Donald Trump is going to end the Clintons, the Democrat Party and liberalism by 2024.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 19, 2019, 04:03:56 PM
Sad...it's just sad that you too can't just explain it.
Divert divert divert...

EXPLAIN IT ALREADY!!!
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 19, 2019, 04:05:27 PM
What??
it's IN THE REPORT!
 Special counsel Robert Mueller's report, a redacted version of which was released to the public Thursday morning, revealed President Trump ordered White House counsel Don McGahn to fire Mueller in 2017. McGahn refused to do so and threatened to resign instead, telling an associate the president had asked him to do "crazy shit."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mueller-report-white-house-counsel-don-mcgahn-refused-trump-order-to-fire-mueller-wary-of-saturday-night-massacre/
What page in the report?
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 19, 2019, 04:08:39 PM
LOL.

Pivoting from Russian Collusion back to taxes.

Next week it will be the electoral college that is going to do Trump in!

President Donald Trump is going to end the Clintons, the Democrat Party and liberalism by 2024.

LOL, They’re pinning their hopes on obstruction of a non existent crime and tax returns that that have already been examined.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 19, 2019, 04:50:53 PM
What page in the report?

Geeezz...u lazy bum--want me to come over there and hold ur dick while you pee too?
I will...
Page 297
  "On June 17, 2017, the President called McGahn at home and directed him to call the Acting Attorney General and say that the Special Counsel had conflicts of interest and must be removed. McGahn did not carry out the direction, however, deciding that he would resign rather than trigger what he regarded as a potential Saturday Night Massacre."
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 19, 2019, 04:52:47 PM
Don McGahn may have single-handedly saved Donald Trump's presidency

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/19/politics/don-mcgahn-mueller-report-donald-trump/index.html
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 19, 2019, 05:36:35 PM
Geeezz...u lazy bum--want me to come over there and hold ur dick while you pee too?
I will...
Page 297
  "On June 17, 2017, the President called McGahn at home and directed him to call the Acting Attorney General and say that the Special Counsel had conflicts of interest and must be removed. McGahn did not carry out the direction, however, deciding that he would resign rather than trigger what he regarded as a potential Saturday Night Massacre."

**sigh** so if we back dat ass up to page 296, it clearly states that on June 14th McGahn has a 15 minute call with Trump and he can't remember shit about it, then 3 days later, he has another call and can remember every detail? Again, all a he said/she said story. Zero proof.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 19, 2019, 05:50:26 PM
ahahahh--picture me backing dat ass up..

Umm... oh--I see. Trump doesn't remember it.
He's totally believable with his UNTARNISHED history of the truth.
Gotcha.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 19, 2019, 06:25:01 PM
ahahahh--picture me backing dat ass up..

Umm... oh--I see. Trump McGahn doesn't remember it.
He's totally believable with his UNTARNISHED history of the truth.
Gotcha.

Fixed
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 19, 2019, 06:40:41 PM
You don't even believe Trump...but you'll say you so.
But okay--U wanna take a shot at something else on that list?
Anybody?
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 19, 2019, 06:57:41 PM
Calm down Mary.  It’s over
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 19, 2019, 07:32:20 PM
Over??? hahaha


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/e5/2b/83e52b5f343d208a947ab77a826aad4e.jpg)
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Board_SHERIF on April 20, 2019, 06:02:04 AM
I want one of you Trump supporters to EXPLAIN just one of them...go ahead--JUST ONE
https://www.axios.com/mueller-report-trump-obstruction-of-justice-8280ecc0-6af6-4414-966b-1a3c5c0c38c8.html

I read the link - how about you explain what is potential Trump obstruction to us Miss FakeNews  ::)
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 20, 2019, 08:36:14 AM
Over??? hahaha


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/e5/2b/83e52b5f343d208a947ab77a826aad4e.jpg)
The more you dems fight with Trump, the better the country is doing, the more likely he'll be re-relected.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: JustPlaneJane on April 20, 2019, 11:31:23 AM
Fixed

Liberals are so inbred they should be a sandwich.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Primemuscle on April 20, 2019, 10:59:17 PM
Pretty self explanatory isn't it? Might be unethical, immoral or nothing at all but obviously not criminal or Clintons crony Mueller would have charged him.

Not necessarily, just because there is not enough evidence to prove criminal activity in a court of law does not change the fact that it is criminal. 
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 21, 2019, 08:52:59 AM
Chaos--im waiting for you to pick another number and EXPLAIN IT.

Can't huh?
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 21, 2019, 08:57:05 AM
Chaos--im waiting for you to pick another number and EXPLAIN IT.

Can't huh?
Why? You don't accept any explanation besides what you want to hear.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 21, 2019, 09:02:51 AM
Your explanation was that trump SAID he didn't do it. What are you going to say if they make Mcgahn swear and affirm to the same statement in front of congress? Cuz ya know that's gonna happen. Doesn't need to, because it's in the report--but it will.
Then what?
but okay--answer or explain another example from the list then.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 21, 2019, 10:25:40 AM
Your explanation was that trump SAID he didn't do it. What are you going to say if they make Mcgahn swear and affirm to the same statement in front of congress? Cuz ya know that's gonna happen. Doesn't need to, because it's in the report--but it will.
Then what?
but okay--answer or explain another example from the list then.
Still he said/she said. You're not gay, you're straight playing a gimmick on getbig. The Scott wrote it down, it must be true. I'm willing to swear and affirm it in court. Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Thin Lizzy on April 21, 2019, 10:36:14 AM
The Democrat definition of obstruction is that Trump didn’t volunteer himself to be railroaded by Mueller on a fake crime.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: The Scott on April 21, 2019, 10:52:47 AM
Liberals are so inbred they should be a sandwich.

Well written!
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: The Scott on April 21, 2019, 11:00:21 AM
Prudence "cares" so much for so many with so little...ad nauseam.   As I said elsewhere, Prudence is  sooooo sensitive to every liberal cause and downtrodden weirdo the world puts on his emotional  doorstep that  I'd wager he's  got "dick goes here" stamped  in braille above his  anus and upper lip.

You mock good people, you calamitous twatling.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 21, 2019, 02:03:08 PM
**sigh** so if we back dat ass up to page 296, it clearly states that on June 14th McGahn has a 15 minute call with Trump and he can't remember shit about it, then 3 days later, he has another call and can remember every detail? Again, all a he said/she said story. Zero proof.
  MY RESPONSE:
Umm... oh--I see. Trump doesn't remember it.
He's totally believable with his UNTARNISHED history of the truth.
Gotcha.


And because great minds think alike---here is CNN's Jake Tapper TODAY interviewing idioc Giuliani saying the exact same thing I said:
At the 3:05 mark is me and chaos going back and forth---almost word for word.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/04/21/sotu-giuliani-hoplessly.cnn
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 21, 2019, 06:37:29 PM
  MY RESPONSE:

And because great minds think alike---here is CNN's Jake Tapper TODAY interviewing idioc Giuliani saying the exact same thing I said:
At the 3:05 mark is me and chaos going back and forth---almost word for word.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/04/21/sotu-giuliani-hoplessly.cnn
Your response was fixed, if you read the report you would know how your post was wrong.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 21, 2019, 06:50:37 PM
What??? What are you talking about? I didn't edit my response one bit.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 21, 2019, 09:14:19 PM
What??? What are you talking about? I didn't edit my response one bit.

I'd suggest reading this thread over again.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 07:49:14 AM
There's nothing to read--i didn't alter my original post. PERIOD.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: mazrim on April 22, 2019, 08:30:18 AM
There's nothing to read--i didn't alter my original post. PERIOD.
Don't pull a Prime on us.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 08:36:33 AM
Show me where I edited it then.
Dont try to derail the FACTS!
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Dos Equis on April 22, 2019, 08:54:55 AM
President Trump obstructed justice by talking stink about a witch hunt by calling it exactly what it was.  He then tried to stop this partisan witch hunt by not invoking executive privilege, letting his lawyer be interviewed for about 30 hours, making his staff available, answering questions himself, and giving the special counsel all of the funding and resources it asked for. 

This is as stupid as the stupid Russia conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 09:13:22 AM
..answering questions himself
Quote
No he didn't.
Trump said he couldn’t remember  36 TIMESin response to special counsel Robert Mueller’s questions

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-said-he-couldnt-remember-36-times-in-response-to-special-counsel-robert-muellers-questions-2019-04-18
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 22, 2019, 09:48:25 AM
..answering questions himself
Quote
No he didn't.
Trump said he couldn’t remember  36 TIMESin response to special counsel Robert Mueller’s questions

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-said-he-couldnt-remember-36-times-in-response-to-special-counsel-robert-muellers-questions-2019-04-18

Did he stop Mueller? Did he withhold anything they asked for? He can fire Comey for any reason at anytime. How can he obstruct on a proven fake crime? I don’t care about your articles, polls or whatever. I want to hear from you in your own words. Personally, I think you’re on here just to agitate. You hear something on that day and really don’t understand what it is except hate Trump and post it.

I’ve said this before not just about you but most arm chair liberals that if we had a face to face debate without phones or computers you’d be lost.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 09:53:09 AM
You make it sound like I'm NOT giving my opinion IN MY OWN WORDS.

He tried to get him fired. He didnt wanna do it himself. He TRIED to get his staff to do it, but they didnt--thus SAVING HIS ASS.

However--the main one that did --MCGAHN- is standing by his story and hasnt changed it.
He's gonna be Trump's downfall.

What more do u want me to say?
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 22, 2019, 10:28:47 AM
You make it sound like I'm NOT giving my opinion IN MY OWN WORDS.

He tried to get him fired. He didnt wanna do it himself. He TRIED to get his staff to do it, but they didnt--thus SAVING HIS ASS.

However--the main one that did --MCGAHN- is standing by his story and hasnt changed it.
He's gonna be Trump's downfall.

What more do u want me to say?

For the most part, you’re not. You’re trying prove a crime when there never was a crime on his part. It’s apart of tds
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Dos Equis on April 22, 2019, 10:41:09 AM
..answering questions himself
Quote
No he didn't.
Trump said he couldn’t remember  36 TIMESin response to special counsel Robert Mueller’s questions

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-said-he-couldnt-remember-36-times-in-response-to-special-counsel-robert-muellers-questions-2019-04-18

Big letters and colors don't make a ridiculous any stronger.  At all. 

Who the heck cares if he said "I don't know" 36 times??  What were the specific questions?

Pretty obvious they were trying to set a perjury trap.  Fail. 
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 12:30:51 PM
We don't know the specific questions.
I'm pretty sure they were pertinent to the investigation.

If he's so innocent---why didn't he go in for the face-to-face interview?
Because his lawyers KNEW the idiot would blow it and lie.

But it's okay---his time's coming.
Gonna be a great day!
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 12:31:41 PM
But more importantly---why dont YOU pick something from that list and explain it since you know so much more than everybody else.
Go on..
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Dos Equis on April 22, 2019, 12:34:59 PM
We don't know the specific questions.
I'm pretty sure they were pertinent to the investigation.

If he's so innocent---why didn't he go in for the face-to-face interview?
Because his lawyers KNEW the idiot would blow it and lie.

But it's okay---his time's coming.
Gonna be a great day!

lol.  You don't know what those questions were, but you are certain his "I don't know" responses were "damning" (that's the MSM word of the week).  That's hilarious.   

Guilty of what??  They knew the Russia conspiracy theory was a hoax in 2017.  Probably in 2016.  They were trying to set him up.  He rightly gave them the stiff arm. 

Yes, the end is near.  lol 
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Dos Equis on April 22, 2019, 12:36:13 PM
But more importantly---why dont YOU pick something from that list and explain it since you know so much more than everybody else.
Go on..

How about YOU explain why anything on that laughable list is actually obstruction?  I'll wait . . . . 
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 12:42:36 PM
I already did!!! Many times.
Lets stick to the one we've been talking about.
DON MCGAHN!

But of course Trump denies it. But that's not over. Not by a long shot.
THE ENTIRE FUCKING LIST SHOWS/SUGGEST OBSTRUCTION.
What don't u understand?
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Dos Equis on April 22, 2019, 12:48:27 PM
I already did!!! Many times.
Lets stick to the one we've been talking about.
DON MCGAHN!

But of course Trump denies it. But that's not over. Not by a long shot.
THE ENTIRE FUCKING LIST SHOWS/SUGGEST OBSTRUCTION.
What don't u understand?


Ok.  Don McGahn.  What is the specific evidence of obstruction regarding Don McGahn that you are relying on? 
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Board_SHERIF on April 22, 2019, 03:11:35 PM
How about YOU explain why anything on that laughable list is actually obstruction?  I'll wait . . . . 

Silence from Little Miss Fake News Prudence....
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 03:25:23 PM
Oh God...one dummy leading another.

He asked him to remove the special counsel --he refused to do it.
Again--it's IN THE REPORT.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Dos Equis on April 22, 2019, 03:39:51 PM
Oh God...one dummy leading another.

He asked him to remove the special counsel --he refused to do it.
Again--it's IN THE REPORT.


Ok "dummy."  I asked you for specific evidence.  Let's start with these questions/observations:

1.  How do we know Trump asked his lawyer to remove the special counsel? 

2.  Assuming he did ask his lawyer to fire the special counsel, his lawyer advised against it, and Trump followed his lawyer's advice, what precisely did Trump obstruct?

3.  Trump had the authority to fire the special counsel. 

4.  John Dowd, who was actually in charge of the special counsel investigation on Trump's end, says you and Mueller of are full of it:

But asked on Monday when Trump said to fire Mueller, Dowd said: “He never did. I was there at the same time that the report says McGahn mentioned this, and I was assigned to deal with Mueller and briefed the president every day.

“At no time did the president ever say, ‘you know, John, I’m going to get rid of him.’ It was the opposite.

“Here’s the message the president had for Bob Mueller, he told me to carry -- number one, you tell him I respect what he is doing; number two, you tell him he has my full cooperation; number three, get it done as quickly as possible; and number four, whatever else you need, let me know.

“That was always the message and that is exactly what we did.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dowd-trump-attorney-mueller-report
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Straw Man on April 22, 2019, 04:19:22 PM
Ok "dummy."  I asked you for specific evidence.  Let's start with these questions/observations:

1.  How do we know Trump asked his lawyer to remove the special counsel?

2.  Assuming he did ask his lawyer to fire the special counsel, his lawyer advised against it, and Trump followed his lawyer's advice, what precisely did Trump obstruct?

3.  Trump had the authority to fire the special counsel.  

4.  John Dowd, who was actually in charge of the special counsel investigation on Trump's end, says you and Mueller of are full of it:

But asked on Monday when Trump said to fire Mueller, Dowd said: “He never did. I was there at the same time that the report says McGahn mentioned this, and I was assigned to deal with Mueller and briefed the president every day.

“At no time did the president ever say, ‘you know, John, I’m going to get rid of him.’ It was the opposite.

“Here’s the message the president had for Bob Mueller, he told me to carry -- number one, you tell him I respect what he is doing; number two, you tell him he has my full cooperation; number three, get it done as quickly as possible; and number four, whatever else you need, let me know.

“That was always the message and that is exactly what we did.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dowd-trump-attorney-mueller-report

McGahn told Priebus and presumably they BOTH told Mueller since it's in his report

I guess you think they lied to Mueller about that....which would be both an unnecesary and stupid thing to lie about and obviously also a crime (and I guess also a conspiracy since it would require both McGahn and Preibus to agree lie about this)

Was Dowd under oath when he made his statement disputing this and how would he know that Trump didn't say this to McGahn.  Was he with McGahn at EVERY MOMENT that he spoke to Trump?

Of course if you think Mueller is "full of it" then I guess we can just assume that Meuller's conclusion that Trump didn't collude with Russia is also false and that he did in fact activley conspire with Russia to steal the election.

See how easy this is ???

Fucking Trumptard ::)
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 04:46:56 PM
Ok "dummy."  I asked you for specific evidence.  Let's start with these questions/observations:

1.  How do we know Trump asked his lawyer to remove the special counsel?  the report states it. 

2.  Assuming he did ask his lawyer to fire the special counsel, his lawyer advised against it, and Trump followed his lawyer's advice, what precisely did Trump obstruct? ATTEMPTING to obstruct IS obstruction...and a crime.

Obstructive act (p. 87): Former White House Counsel Don McGahn is a “credible witness” in providing evidence that Trump indeed attempted to fire Mueller. This “would qualify as an obstructive act” if the firing “would naturally obstruct the investigation and any grand jury proceedings that might flow from the inquiry.”
https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map

3.  Trump had the authority to fire the special counsel.  Deputy Attorney Rod Rosenstein, not President Trump, is the one who has authority to fire Mueller. While President Trump might compel others to do so on his behalf or instruct the attorney general to revoke DOJ’s special counsel regulations, the risks of doing so are prohibitive.  History warns that he would be risking his presidency, not to mention increasing his exposure to charges of obstruction of justice. "
https://www.citizensforethics.org/trump-cant-easily-remove-mueller-happens-tries/


4.  John Dowd, who was actually in charge of the special counsel investigation on Trump's end, says you and Mueller of are full of it:

But asked on Monday when Trump said to fire Mueller, Dowd said: “He never did. I was there at the same time that the report says McGahn mentioned this, and I was assigned to deal with Mueller and briefed the president every day.

“At no time did the president ever say, ‘you know, John, I’m going to get rid of him.’ It was the opposite.

“Here’s the message the president had for Bob Mueller, he told me to carry -- number one, you tell him I respect what he is doing; number two, you tell him he has my full cooperation; number three, get it done as quickly as possible; and number four, whatever else you need, let me know.

“That was always the message and that is exactly what we did.”
Well..Don Mcgahn's lawyer had THIS to say about those that are saying his client is lying: 
McGahn’s lawyer William Burck said in a statement that it’s a “mystery why Rudy Giuliani feels the need to re-litigate incidents the attorney general and deputy attorney general have concluded were not obstruction. But they are accurately described” in the Mueller report.
 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dowd-trump-attorney-mueller-report
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 04:47:53 PM

See how easy this is ???

It really is JUST that easy.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: JustPlaneJane on April 22, 2019, 05:25:01 PM
..answering questions himself
Quote
No he didn't.
Trump said he couldn’t remember  36 TIMESin response to special counsel Robert Mueller’s questions

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-said-he-couldnt-remember-36-times-in-response-to-special-counsel-robert-muellers-questions-2019-04-18

The questions pertained to the period when Trump was a private citizen
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 05:44:25 PM
And???

Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 22, 2019, 06:07:49 PM
It really is JUST that easy.
He said/she said. PROVE it.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 22, 2019, 06:13:07 PM
What??? What are you talking about? I didn't edit my response one bit.

Here's our exchange...…….

**sigh** so if we back dat ass up to page 296, it clearly states that on June 14th McGahn has a 15 minute call with Trump and he can't remember shit about it, then 3 days later, he has another call and can remember every detail? Again, all a he said/she said story. Zero proof.
ahahahh--picture me backing dat ass up..

Umm... oh--I see. Trump doesn't remember it.
He's totally believable with his UNTARNISHED history of the truth.
Gotcha.

Fixed

You see there where my post says "fixed"? If you look at the original, you'll see that it's actually McGahn I'm talking about in my first post and I corrected your "fixed" post to reflect that. YOU changed it to Trump not remembering the phone call but it was actually McGahn. Like I said, if you read the report that you were selectively quoting to fit your agenda, you would know this.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 06:39:50 PM
ahahahh--picture me backing dat ass up..

Umm... oh--I see. Trump doesn't remember it.
He's totally believable with his UNTARNISHED history of the truth.
Gotcha.


This is my original post. I didn't go back and alter a FUCKING word. You quoted me trying to be funny by saying McGahn didn't remember it by crossing out Trump and replacing it with McGahn.
Now your saying I never said Trump to begin with????
HUH?
If your accusing me of something, then I'm not following u.
Your theory doesn't even flow with the continuity of my post.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Dos Equis on April 22, 2019, 06:49:40 PM


1.  Who cares if the report says it?  Is it a quote directly from Trump?  Rhetorical question.  Stop trying to act like it's something you know Trump actually said. 

2.  What did I just tell you about posting links you haven't read?  Like this part:

I should emphasize that the below is my interpretation of the evidence as Mueller seems to provide it—others may have different readings. (Richard Hoeg has provided a slightly different take, also available on Twitter.) My assessment rests on an assumption that Mueller is correct in his legal analysis that a president may still obstruct justice even if the act in question is taken entirely under his Article II authority. Under Attorney General Bill Barr’s reading of Article II, this heat map would look very different. I’ve also accepted at face value Mueller’s statutory argument that 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(2) “states a broad, independent, and unqualified prohibition on obstruction of justice,” rather than, as Trump’s personal counsel apparently argued to Mueller, covering only “acts that would impair the integrity and availability of evidence.”

Why do I care about this kid's interpretation of anything?  Give me Alan Dershowitz's interpretation and then we can talk. 

3.  Do not give me some link to a bunch of hacks who work for David Brock.  If you're going to come, you need to come correct with reliable information.  Especially when you have the audacity to call people dumb. 

4.  So Trump says one thing, McGahn says another, and Dowd says another.  When you have a situation like that, you cannot reasonably conclude it proves anything.   

So, strike one.  Next one you'd like to discuss? 
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 07:01:58 PM
First of genius, how could I possibly KNOW anything other than what I get from the press? Same for you.
Secondly---just because YOU don't approve of a person's 'interpretation/opinion' on a matter does NOT mean they are to be dismissed. You see it differently. So fucking what? Who the fuck are you? Who the fuck are ANY of us? A bunch of nobodies with OPINIONS.

You know as much as I do.
Correct me if I'm wrong--but it appears to me that you believe Trump has done NOTHING wrong at all and you can't see how MILLIONS of people think he did?

If you answer yes, I will not respond and never ever talk to you again. Additionally, I'll fart in your general direction.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 22, 2019, 07:03:35 PM
I'm going to bed...don't want you to think i"m avoiding you and your brilliance.
:: kisses::
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Dos Equis on April 22, 2019, 07:13:53 PM
First of genius, how could I possibly KNOW anything other than what I get from the press? Same for you.
Secondly---just because YOU don't approve of a person's 'interpretation/opinion' on a matter does NOT mean they are to be dismissed. You see it differently. So fucking what? Who the fuck are you? Who the fuck are ANY of us? A bunch of nobodies with OPINIONS.

You know as much as I do.
Correct me if I'm wrong--but it appears to me that you believe Trump has done NOTHING wrong at all and you can't see how MILLIONS of people think he did?

If you answer yes, I will not respond and never ever talk to you again. Additionally, I'll fart in your general direction.


Listen fool, don't give me an ultimatum.  This is a friggin message board.  I don't give a rip if you never respond to another one of my posts, or follow me around like the creepy little Village Idiot does.  I think what you're realizing is you cannot engage me with BS, post some links you didn't read, then think you've made a point.   :)  

That said, I'm not answering your stupid question about Trump, because it's a stupid question.  

How could you know anything?  If you had common sense, read, and listen it's not that hard.  For example, you know after investigations by the House, Senate, FBI, Bob Woodward, and Mueller and his team of angry Democrat donors that there is no evidence in support of that the Russia conspiracy theory.  None.

You know if you use your common sense that it's a stupid friggin conspiracy theory.  

You know if you watch or listen to Dan Bongino how to connect the dots on this stupid theory.  

If you are objective, you can listen to someone like Maxine Waters, Eric Swalwell, and Schiff and understand they are partisan hacks who have been lying for two years.  And they are dumb as a box of rocks.  

In any event, if you want to challenge people to discuss the 10 laughable instances of obstruction of justice, bring your facts.  The first one blew up.  Next?   :)    
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 22, 2019, 07:47:54 PM
This is my original post. I didn't go back and alter a FUCKING word. You quoted me trying to be funny by saying McGahn didn't remember it by crossing out Trump and replacing it with McGahn.
Now your saying I never said Trump to begin with????
HUH?
If your accusing me of something, then I'm not following u.
Your theory doesn't even flow with the continuity of my post.
And you think anyone here should take your political opinion seriously when you can't figure out this simple exchange? I wasn't trying to be funny, the report that you quoted clearly states that McGahn had a call with Trump and that he (McGahn) couldn't remember a single thing about that call, but the next call a few days later he (McGahn) could remember every detail.

Maybe you should go and actually read the pages you're quoting so you know exactly what they say instead of cherry picking a sentence and trying to manipulate it to fit your agenda. Just a thought.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 22, 2019, 08:32:52 PM
Ok "dummy."  I asked you for specific evidence.  Let's start with these questions/observations:

1.  How do we know Trump asked his lawyer to remove the special counsel? 

2.  Assuming he did ask his lawyer to fire the special counsel, his lawyer advised against it, and Trump followed his lawyer's advice, what precisely did Trump obstruct?

3.  Trump had the authority to fire the special counsel. 

4.  John Dowd, who was actually in charge of the special counsel investigation on Trump's end, says you and Mueller of are full of it:

But asked on Monday when Trump said to fire Mueller, Dowd said: “He never did. I was there at the same time that the report says McGahn mentioned this, and I was assigned to deal with Mueller and briefed the president every day.

“At no time did the president ever say, ‘you know, John, I’m going to get rid of him.’ It was the opposite.

“Here’s the message the president had for Bob Mueller, he told me to carry -- number one, you tell him I respect what he is doing; number two, you tell him he has my full cooperation; number three, get it done as quickly as possible; and number four, whatever else you need, let me know.

“That was always the message and that is exactly what we did.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dowd-trump-attorney-mueller-report

To your point about Bongino

Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 23, 2019, 07:11:21 AM
Listen fool, don't give me an ultimatum.  This is a friggin message board.  I don't give a rip if you never respond to another one of my posts, or follow me around like the creepy little Village Idiot does.  I think what you're realizing is you cannot engage me with BS, post some links you didn't read, then think you've made a point.   :)    DM sent   

That said, I'm not answering your stupid question about Trump, because it's a stupid question.  

How could you know anything?  If you had common sense, read, and listen it's not that hard.  For example, you know after investigations by the House, Senate, FBI, Bob Woodward, and Mueller and his team of angry Democrat donors that there is no evidence in support of that the Russia conspiracy theory.  None.

You know if you use your common sense that it's a stupid friggin conspiracy theory.  I never harped on the Russian collusion theory--I always emphasized his practice of obstruction   

You know if you watch or listen to Dan Bongino how to connect the dots on this stupid theory.   See the next post for a GREAT video of his.     

If you are objective, you can listen to someone like Maxine Waters, Eric Swalwell, and Schiff and understand they are partisan hacks who have been lying for two years.  And they are dumb as a box of rocks.  

In any event, if you want to challenge people to discuss the 10 laughable instances of obstruction of justice, bring your facts.  The first one blew up.  Next?   :)      There's always that good old list..haha   
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 23, 2019, 07:21:48 AM
 You know if you watch or listen to Dan Bongino how to connect the dots on this stupid theory.  

Okay--well I first found out about this guy by watching the devil's own FOX News. Interesting guy for sure.
Now--as much as I would LOVE to say he's full of shit and making this stuff up, I simply can't.  However in true Mueller fashion, neither can I totally verify his account of this event...or the timeline.
 Not related to this video--but points worth mentioning:

--Clearly Fusion GPS has mostly gone unmentioned by Trump haters. Myself included.
--The George Soros angle SEEMS a little far fetched. But there NEEDS to be an explanation of this puppy:
A group backed by liberal billionaire George Soros contributed millions of dollars to firms connected to Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele, the author of the so-called Trump dossier.

Internal Revenue Service filings reveal The Democracy Integrity Project, founded in 2017 by a former staffer to Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., $3.3 million was paid to Bean LLC., a holding company that oversees Fusion GPS. Separately, $250,000 was paid to London-based Walsingham Partners Ltd., which is owned by Steele and his business partner Christopher Burrows


WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT ABOUT????
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/george-soros-backed-group-gave-millions-of-dollars-to-firms-tied-to-fusion-gps-christopher-steele
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 23, 2019, 07:22:26 AM

Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: JustPlaneJane on April 23, 2019, 08:01:09 AM
And you think anyone here should take your political opinion seriously when you can't figure out this simple exchange? I wasn't trying to be funny, the report that you quoted clearly states that McGahn had a call with Trump and that he (McGahn) couldn't remember a single thing about that call, but the next call a few days later he (McGahn) could remember every detail.

Maybe you should go and actually read the pages you're quoting so you know exactly what they say instead of cherry picking a sentence and trying to manipulate it to fit your agenda. Just a thought.

President Donald Trump didn’t fall for the Mueller perjury trap.

Democrats hate themselves even more.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 23, 2019, 08:25:06 AM
To your point about Bongino



The liberal dumbasses avoided this video like the plague but still insist on trying to make their ignorant non-point points. In short, they’re just flat out stupid people
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 23, 2019, 11:06:06 AM
The liberal dumbasses avoided this video like the plague but still insist on trying to make their ignorant non-point points. In short, they’re just flat out stupid people


Never heard of the guy--clicked the link--watched a few min and promptly stopped it. Went on Wiki and looked him up. His views on race relations, albeit based on 'facts', are suspect to say the least.
I have zero interest in hearing what he has to say about anything. There are other Trump supporters out there I'd rather hear from.

Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Soul Crusher on April 23, 2019, 11:41:05 AM
Believe it or not , you've hit on the essence of the political divide.
A source is only credible IF they tell them what they want to hear.

The FBI was always considered a reliable and highly credible organization BEFORE Trump.
Now, because Comey and few others refused to give a PERSONAL loyality to Trump, they're considered "suspect".

The FBI and even the President himself and supposed to be loyal to the US constitution, NOT some individual.


Only by naive people.  Remember Ruby Ridge?  Or the FBI coddling Whitey Bulger or many mob killers? 
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Primemuscle on April 23, 2019, 11:59:28 AM
Prudence and Howard, it is good that you've taken the reins on this barren of mules. However, you may be wasting your time since mules are reputed to be extremely stubborn.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 23, 2019, 12:18:38 PM
BAWAHAHAHAH!

Ya know....I actually enjoy it. It's fun. I've been on msg boards since the AOL days. Always interesting to see how others think.
 We can agree or disagree, it's as social as I wanna get with my clothing on.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Dos Equis on April 23, 2019, 01:24:24 PM
Okay--well I first found out about this guy by watching the devil's own FOX News. Interesting guy for sure.
Now--as much as I would LOVE to say he's full of shit and making this stuff up, I simply can't.  However in true Mueller fashion, neither can I totally verify his account of this event...or the timeline.
 Not related to this video--but points worth mentioning:

--Clearly Fusion GPS has mostly gone unmentioned by Trump haters. Myself included.
--The George Soros angle SEEMS a little far fetched. But there NEEDS to be an explanation of this puppy:
A group backed by liberal billionaire George Soros contributed millions of dollars to firms connected to Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele, the author of the so-called Trump dossier.

Internal Revenue Service filings reveal The Democracy Integrity Project, founded in 2017 by a former staffer to Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., $3.3 million was paid to Bean LLC., a holding company that oversees Fusion GPS. Separately, $250,000 was paid to London-based Walsingham Partners Ltd., which is owned by Steele and his business partner Christopher Burrows


WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT ABOUT????
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/george-soros-backed-group-gave-millions-of-dollars-to-firms-tied-to-fusion-gps-christopher-steele

Bongino is as well versed on the facts of this Russia conspiracy as anyone I've heard.  Deep in the weeds.  When you listen to how he connects the dots, you understand just how diabolical this whole thing is. 
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Dos Equis on April 23, 2019, 01:25:40 PM
Prudence and Howard, it is good that you've taken the reins on this barren of mules. However, you may be wasting your time since mules are reputed to be extremely stubborn.

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*HaxZCrfe_MId-ZOZ0zIaWw.jpeg)
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Prudence on April 23, 2019, 05:14:03 PM
Bongino is as well versed on the facts of this Russia conspiracy as anyone I've heard.  Deep in the weeds.  When you listen to how he connects the dots, you understand just how diabolical this whole thing is. 

STILL...it's a sad state of affairs we as a country have gotten WHOMEVER is at fault.
No--I'm not fully convinced Trump is the main culprit either.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: chaos on April 23, 2019, 06:41:04 PM
Only by naive people.  Remember Ruby Ridge?  Or the FBI coddling Whitey Bulger or many mob killers? 
Yeah I was going to say....the government is shady as fuck.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 23, 2019, 09:42:22 PM
Do you really think all democrats are stupid?
If so that means YOU believe you know more then them, right?


Don’t confuse Democrats with Liberals but in answer to your question, no, not the elected “Democrats” they know exactly what they’re doing, it’s the ones that actually believe their bullshit that are stupid. Sorry, had to be said.
Title: Re: 10 episodes of potential Trump obstruction listed in the Mueller Report
Post by: AbrahamG on April 23, 2019, 09:45:08 PM
Bongino is as well versed on the facts of this Russia conspiracy as anyone I've heard.  Deep in the weeds.  When you listen to how he connects the dots, you understand just how diabolical this whole thing is. 

LOL @ Danny Bang Bang!