Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting

[tonymctones]

I believe the gun caused an altercation to become physical, which resulted in a pinning style of fighting.

I asked WHY you believe this......what is your basis for this belief in other words?

[Jack T. Cross]

mainly b.c it put himself in harms way, but again doing so isnt illegal.

Didn't you forget to add some people to that list...potential bystanders, etc.?  How about Martin?

[tonymctones]

Didn't you forget to add some people to that list...potential bystanders, etc.?  How about Martin?

sure you could add them in there if youd like, you asked why I thought it was inadvisable.

again he did nothing illegal so....

[Jack T. Cross]

sure you could add them in there if youd like, you asked why I thought it was inadvisable.

again he did nothing illegal so....

So you acknowledge that he created a dangerous situation.  Would that be a fair statement?

[tonymctones]

So you acknowledge that he created a dangerous situation.  Would that be a fair statement?

no more than trayvon did by being there, did trayvon create a dangerous situation?

[tonymctones]

I asked WHY you believe this......what is your basis for this belief in other words?

are you going to answer this?

[Jack T. Cross]

are you going to answer this?

For you, I'll lay out a case against Zimmerman.  But only if you continue to follow the current line we're on right now.

[tonymctones]

For you, I'll lay out a case against Zimmerman.  But only if you continue to follow the current line we're on right now.

LOL what line is that?

go ahead and please only use verifiable facts, no opinions, personal views or guesses....

[Jack T. Cross]

no more than trayvon did by being there, did trayvon create a dangerous situation?

Only Zimmerman was responsible for the gun.

[tonymctones]

Only Zimmerman was responsible for the gun.

and again I ask, how do you know the gun was known to trayvon before the altercation???

[Jack T. Cross]

The line of reasoning, Tony.  It's the only way to separate the truth from the noise.

[tonymctones]

Only Zimmerman was responsible for the gun.

carrying a gun as a licensed concealed carry holder is what?

A) LEGAL ALL DAY ALL NIGHT
B) Illegal

[Jack T. Cross]

Zimmerman was the person responsible for the gun.  He created a dangerous situation.  Do you deny this?

[tonymctones]

The line of reasoning, Tony.  It's the only way to separate the truth from the noise.

sure and in that line of truth, no opinions, no guesses...only verifiable facts.

[tonymctones]

Zimmerman was the person responsible for the gun.  He created a dangerous situation.  Do you deny this?

yes, b/c the zimmerman with a gun ESPECIALLY AS A CONCEALED CARRY HOLDER in and of itself is not a dangerous situation.

[Jack T. Cross]

yes, b/c the zimmerman with a gun ESPECIALLY AS A CONCEALED CARRY HOLDER in and of itself is not a dangerous situation.

If he directs himself toward what he knows to be potential conflict, with his gun, he creates a dangerous situation.

Will you continue to deny this?

[Jack T. Cross]

You're not getting out of this one, Tony.

[Soul Crusher]

So sick of this - F ashtrayvon - it was only a matter of time. 

[tonymctones]

If he directs himself toward what he knows to be potential conflict, with his gun, he creates a dangerous situation.

Will you continue to deny this?

again he is no more responsible for the situation than trayvon is...

will you continue to deny this?

You're not getting out of this one, Tony.

LOL getting out of what, your whole argument is based on the assumption that trayvon knew about the gun before the altercation....

hahaha again what proof do you have for this Jack?

[Jack T. Cross]

See, the only way Zimmerman could have approached this - if he wasn't a terminal nitwit - would be to properly control Martin at straight gunpoint until the police arrived.

So why do you suppose he didn't do that?

[Jack T. Cross]

again he is no more responsible for the situation than trayvon is...

Is this your way of saying that Zimmerman somehow holds responsibility, Tony?

[240 is Back]

LOL at any belief that fat man with front IWB holster can run with a 9mm in waistband and not be fcking obvious

[Jack T. Cross]

LOL at any belief that fat man with front IWB holster can run with a 9mm in waistband and not be fcking obvious

So is it your idea that Martin knew about the gun from Zimmerman's body language, and that's why he (Martin) ran?  And is it your idea that the only way Martin was unable to outdistance Zimmerman was due to Zimmerman heading him off via a shortcut?

[240 is Back]

So is it your idea that Martin knew about the gun from Zimmerman's body language, and that's why he (Martin) ran?  And is it your idea that the only way Martin was unable to outdistance Zimmerman was due to Zimmerman heading him off via a shortcut?

I think, given zimm's record and propensity to show off guns, push cops, beat women, and fingerfvck minors... that he isn't the type to keep a gun concealed

Also yes, it looks a lot like he took the backyards to cut off trayvon.  That is the belief of the prosecutor and would explain how fat man could have caught teenager.  Cut thru yards.  intercept and demand "identify yourself" to the minor, leading to confrontation.

What would any getbigger do if armed fat man chased you two blocks in yards, then intercepted you at close boundaries?  His brains would be on the @##(^&@ street if that was a lot of people. 

[tonymctones]

See, the only way Zimmerman could have approached this - if he wasn't a terminal nitwit - would be to properly control Martin at straight gunpoint until the police arrived.

So why do you suppose he didn't do that?

LMFAO and what evidence do you have to support this?

you talk of truth and then inject this completely arbitrary and conjured up position...

what is this truth you speak of?

If zimmerman did that then yes he bears great responsibility for the events that followed.

THE ISSUE YOU MORONS HAVE IS THERE IS ABBBBSSSSSOOOOOOLLLLLUUU UTTTEEEELLLLLLYYYYYY NOTHING TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM