Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting

[tonymctones]

I can hardly blame a rape victim becuase "if you didn't have that vagina, it wouldn't be a rape".

Skinny twink goes jogging, it's raining, it's not a chase.
Armed man gets out and announces "he's running, I'm following", it suddenly becomes a chase.

The victim of a rape, chase, or murder doesn't earn blame because "you can't rape someone who refuses you sex..."

decent point but the rape victim doesnt run to the raper...

trayvon did indeed confront zimmerman

[240 is Back]

decent point but the rape victim doesnt run to the raper...

trayvon did indeed confront zimmerman

we dont have proof of this.  we don't have proof that trayvon ran at zimmerman.  for all we know, he was intercepted or he was hidden in bushes and zimmerman saw him and called him out, at which point he asked why he was following him.

I think we all know the prosecution has a piece of shit case - BUT - he if he is found guilty, it will be becase zimm said he's running, and zimm said he's going after.  if this showdown happened at the bus stop awning at front of park, we're not in this trial.  chasing 2 blocks after a minor (even if minor was hiding in bushes after being chased) is the only way cowboy george is on trial at all.

[polychronopolous]

we dont have proof of this.  we don't have proof that trayvon ran at zimmerman.  for all we know, he was intercepted or he was hidden in bushes and zimmerman saw him and called him out, at which point he asked why he was following him.

I think we all know the prosecution has a piece of shit case - BUT - he if he is found guilty, it will be becase zimm said he's running, and zimm said he's going after.  if this showdown happened at the bus stop awning at front of park, we're not in this trial.  chasing 2 blocks after a minor (even if minor was hiding in bushes after being chased) is the only way cowboy george is on trial at all.

So your theory is fat Zimmerman was able to "catch" an 18 year old skinny black kid??

[240 is Back]

So your theory is fat Zimmerman was able to "catch" an 18 year old skinny black kid??

I believe the official "theory" is that trayvon circled the corner and was out of sight of the truck, stopped to make his call again.  At that point, zimmerman cut thru between the complexes in order to intercept him.  Trayvon thought he was away, and zimm took that shortcut in order to intercept him.

The skinny smoker was frail and soft.  The armed MMA fighter had been training 3x a week for 18 months... sprinting two blocks wouldn't be tough - he was NOT fat when it happened, actually.  He only spilled over since  sitting at home, presumably on anti-depressants 60 mg a day, and missing out on cardio.

[Roger Bacon]

He only spilled over since  sitting at home, presumably on anti-depressants 60 mg a day, and missing out on cardio.

 

[tonymctones]

we dont have proof of this.  we don't have proof that trayvon ran at zimmerman.  for all we know, he was intercepted or he was hidden in bushes and zimmerman saw him and called him out, at which point he asked why he was following him.

I think we all know the prosecution has a piece of shit case - BUT - he if he is found guilty, it will be becase zimm said he's running, and zimm said he's going after.  if this showdown happened at the bus stop awning at front of park, we're not in this trial.  chasing 2 blocks after a minor (even if minor was hiding in bushes after being chased) is the only way cowboy george is on trial at all.

who said he ran at him?

he did confront him though, we do know that much

[Roger Bacon]

240 is the loan juror that keeps everyone in the jury room till 4am, and one by one gets everyone to change their opinion.

[Soul Crusher]

George Zimmerman: State 'devastated' again
The Orlando Sentinel ^  | July 3, 2013 | Hal Boedeker

Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:49:01 PM by 2ndDivisionVet



Capt. Alexis Carter of U.S. Army JAG testifies Wednesday at the George Zimmerman trial.

How bad was it for the state at the George Zimmerman trial Wednesday morning? Bad, then maybe better, TV analysts said.

WFTV-Channel 9's Bill Sheaffer said Capt. Alexis Carter, Zimmerman's former teacher at Seminole State College, was "devastating" to the state’s case.

Carter "legitimized the very defense of self-defense in front of these jurors, and the state -- you could see the blood draining from their faces," Sheaffer said.

WKMG-Channel 6's team marveled that Carter was giving a tutorial on the "stand your ground" law to jurors. Legal analyst Eric Dubois said it was "another state witness that just kind of blew up and helped the defense a lot."

WKMG's Mike DeForest wondered: "How much money is George Zimmerman saving by letting the state witnesses present their testimony?"

Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.

WOFL-Channel 35 analyst Diana Tennis said defense attorney Don West had turned Carter, a state witness, into a defense witness. "This was a little lesson for the jury that seemed to fit with the defense case," she said.

WFTV anchor Greg Warmoth wondered how the state could overcome its witness Carter.

"This is the state's case. You're not expecting that the case has to bounce back from anything," Sheaffer said. "The defense hasn't even presented its case yet."

Sheaffer later said that his heart went out to Trayvon Martin's family, but he was talking about the application of the law.

On CNN, there was a discussion about Zimmerman's laughing at one point during Carter's testimony. Drew Findling, a criminal defense attorney, said that the chuckling humanized Zimmerman.....


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[240 is Back]

we see the same thing during EVERY sports playoff, trial, election, etc.

The pundits need to keep it close.  They need to have drama to talk about.  they need to have this "oh, it's over!  Oh, a comeback!" bullshit to talk about.  It's normal.  We see this in the NBA plyoffs... "Miami is history, the dynast is over, duncan has the best dynasty ever!!!"

Zimmerman told the 911 operator that trayvon running, he's following.  That is ALL the 6-female jury needs... guilty or innocent, THAT moment is all that matters. 

[doison]

we see the same thing during EVERY sports playoff, trial, election, etc.

The pundits need to keep it close.  They need to have drama to talk about.  they need to have this "oh, it's over!  Oh, a comeback!" bullshit to talk about.  It's normal.  We see this in the NBA plyoffs... "Miami is history, the dynast is over, duncan has the best dynasty ever!!!"

Zimmerman told the 911 operator that trayvon running, he's following.  That is ALL the 6-female jury needs... guilty or innocent, THAT moment is all that matters. 

How does your wife feel about you thinking women are so fucking simple minded?

[tonymctones]

we see the same thing during EVERY sports playoff, trial, election, etc.

The pundits need to keep it close.  They need to have drama to talk about.  they need to have this "oh, it's over!  Oh, a comeback!" bullshit to talk about.  It's normal.  We see this in the NBA plyoffs... "Miami is history, the dynast is over, duncan has the best dynasty ever!!!"

Zimmerman told the 911 operator that trayvon running, he's following.  That is ALL the 6-female jury needs... guilty or innocent, THAT moment is all that matters. 

they will be instructed by the judge on how to judge the self defense claim, in that explination will be what matters to it and what doesnt...the one LEGAL aspect you morons keep harping on will be in the doesnt matter category...

[Shockwave]

we see the same thing during EVERY sports playoff, trial, election, etc.

The pundits need to keep it close.  They need to have drama to talk about.  they need to have this "oh, it's over!  Oh, a comeback!" bullshit to talk about.  It's normal.  We see this in the NBA plyoffs... "Miami is history, the dynast is over, duncan has the best dynasty ever!!!"

Zimmerman told the 911 operator that trayvon running, he's following.  That is ALL the 6-female jury needs... guilty or innocent, THAT moment is all that matters. 

Bwahaha.

[tonymctones]

coroner said trayvon was still alive after his death, meaning zimmerman could have spread his arms out and then trayvon pulled them back in....

another moronic lie busted....

[240 is Back]

trayvon was 5 foot 11, 159 pounds.

about as skinny twink as they come. 

they will be instructed by the judge on how to judge the self defense claim, in that explination will be what matters to it and what doesnt...the one LEGAL aspect you morons keep harping on will be in the doesnt matter category...

de jure vs de facto.   Those jurors are going to do whatever the hell they want.  5/6 of them are mothers.  hearing that mama say "the screams are from Trayvon Benjamin Martin"...

They'll look at the totality of the event and they just might convict his ass for making the death happen - I mean, you're looking at the seminole county school system and assuming a jury of peers from that area will apply the complex legal standard... I'm under the belief that they'll be "legislating from thejury box" with low IQ and emotions.   I guess we'll see.

Prosecution seemed to ignore getbig's advice on first impressions, instead focusing upon ending their case with the most dramatic content and testimony.

[tonymctones]

LMFAO, at least youve stopped trying to make shit up and are just going with "hey the jury may ignore the law and the instruction of the judge and convict him anyway"

[Skeletor]

coroner said trayvon was still alive after his death, meaning zimmerman could have spread his arms out and then trayvon pulled them back in....

another moronic lie busted....

Did the coroner say that?

[Archer77]

LMFAO, at least youve stopped trying to make shit up and are just going with "hey the jury may ignore the law and the instruction of the judge and convict him anyway"

Unfortunately there is truth to what he's saying.  When the law wants to get you, it will.

[Straw Man]

and you cant chase someone who doesnt run...

not that either are illegal, so why you and the rest of the morons continue to bring it up is beyond logic

you can follow someone who is walking or running

and if you're George Zimmerman you wouldn't change a thing or do anything different and just assume that it was "gods plan" for you to shoot an unarmed kid to death

[Archer77]

Did the coroner say that?

Zombie!

[tonymctones]

Did the coroner say that?

said he believes he was alive for 1 to 10 mins after being shot

[tonymctones]

you can follow someone who is walking or running

and if you're George Zimmerman you wouldn't change a thing or do anything different and just assume that it was "gods plan" for you to shoot an unarmed kid to death

lol touche...not that it matters as it was completely legal and irrelevant to the self defense claim....but hey if it makes you morons feel better keep harping on it!!!

LOL an unarmed kid who an eye witness saw on top of zimmerman throwing blows?

[Skeletor]

said he believes he was alive for 1 to 10 mins after being shot

So still alive after being shot..

When I first read it I thought of this:

[240 is Back]

he was alive 1-10 minutes after being shot in the heart.


it may have been self-defense when bullet was fired, if during the struggle may have he started, zimmerman decided he wanted to exit.


despite what some think - we do not know who started the fight, do we?

[tonymctones]

he was alive 1-10 minutes after being shot in the heart.


it may have been self-defense when bullet was fired, if during the struggle may have he started, zimmerman decided he wanted to exit.


despite what some think - we do not know who started the fight, do we?

so we dont know who started the fight, zimmerman said trayvon did...nobody can disprove it

we do know trayvon was on top of zimmerman striking downward, while it is believed zimmerman was yelling for help as testified by the one and only eye witness

correct?

[tonymctones]

coroner now testifying that he does not know if regular procedure for an autopsy was followed in relation to trayvon martins clothing.

"I dont know".......