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the japs were much worse than the nazis.
http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/
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I wonder why the Nazis took so much more heat than the japs? ???
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They were some ruthless bastards, IMO the closest thing in WWII to today's modern jihadists.
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I wonder why the Nazis took so much more heat than the japs? ???
Germany was hodling a two-front war against the 3 biggest world powers. Also, GER killed lots of people of Jewish descent, and as the Jewish element permeates both AMerican and worldwide media and education systems in a big way, it obviously serves their agenda well to remind us of this as frequently as possible.
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the japs were much worse than the nazis.
http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/
No they weren't.
Trust me, i'm german and i am getting my master's degree in japanese hisory next summer.
I've read more than one shitty webpage on the topic. What the japanese did during the war was very bad but it wasn't
industrialized genocide of millions of people.
You should not trust this source, either. It's an anti-japanese propaganda page done by chinese.
Read the right books and don't rely on internet pages for ressource.
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not to derail this one... but seriously, it's hard to take seriously the accounts of war crimes when retold by the victorious victimes, yesars later.
There's just too much motivation to embellish when doing so will benefit you.
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Some pretty savage things went down at Buchenwald.
(http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Shrunken.jpg) :-X
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My grandfather died in a prison camp. A brother of my grandmother died when he served in the Dutch navy. The ship he served on was attacked and entered by Japs. I believe he drowned.
The bersiap period after WW2 was probably even worse. Lot's of people where slaughtered during that period.
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not to derail this one... but seriously, it's hard to take seriously the accounts of war crimes when retold by the victorious victimes, yesars later.
There's just too much motivation to embellish when doing so will benefit you.
especially on behalf of the chinese who use the history frequently in their actual politics.
Once Japan does something they don't like like limiting ex- or imports, they come up with another WWII story.
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especially on behalf of the chinese who use the history frequently in their actual politics.
Once Japan does something they don't like like limiting ex- or imports, they come up with another WWII story.
Sure. The other large group of victims used the controlled and cultivated accounts of their abuse to their advantage pretty well too.
(http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9802/03/israel.iraq/israel.tel.aviv.lg.jpg)
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My mother was born in one of the japanese relocation camps, Camp Douglas.
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No they weren't.
Trust me, i'm german and i am getting my master's degree in japanese hisory next summer.
I've read more than one shitty webpage on the topic. What the japanese did during the war was very bad but it wasn't
industrialized genocide of millions of people.
You should not trust this source, either. It's an anti-japanese propaganda page done by chinese.
Read the right books and don't rely on internet pages for ressource.
This is an excellent point, Going to a Chinese source on this is highly problamatic
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not to derail this one... but seriously, it's hard to take seriously the accounts of war crimes when retold by the victorious victimes, yesars later.
There's just too much motivation to embellish when doing so will benefit you.
That's a very good point. History is written by the victors. However, i have many relatives who fought the japaneese in the Phillipines, both flip and white who saw their astocracies first hand.
Also add that to the overwHelming evidence and accounts from civilians and soldiers from WW2. The germans performing genocide on Jews and Gypsies.
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both regimes killed millions of civilians.
one difference is contrasting how japs treated american POWs and how germans did. Germans, by and large, treated them well and in accordance with international standards, while the Japs sent many to slave camps and put them on death marches.
Of course, on the Eastern Front (Germany vs Russia), god help you if you were taken prisoner.
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The winners in WWII had the losers sign admissions of guilt. Some of these admissions contain numbers which were impossible based upon available resources. Like, they now believe that (what camp was it) 100,000 people were killed, not 1 million as originally thought.
I'm not so sure the German officer accidentally confessed to killing ten times more people than he really did.
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the japs were much worse than the nazis.
http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/
Try reading Rape of Nanking. Absolutely incredible story about the Japanese invasion of China. Just downright ruthless and inhumane. I had to put the book down several times because it was so graphic.
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No they weren't.
Trust me, i'm german and i am getting my master's degree in japanese hisory next summer.
I've read more than one shitty webpage on the topic. What the japanese did during the war was very bad but it wasn't
industrialized genocide of millions of people.
You should not trust this source, either. It's an anti-japanese propaganda page done by chinese.
Read the right books and don't rely on internet pages for ressource.
that's not where i get my info from.,.,,was just looking for a page on the subject.,.,,happened to be the first result on google.,,.,,.still stand by my statement!,.,
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Try reading Rape of Nanking. Absolutely incredible story about the Japanese invasion of China. Just downright ruthless and inhumane. I had to put the book down several times because it was so graphic.
yup, read about and seen the movie, comfort women too, all of it.,.,.! sick stuff.,.,! much worse than the nazis.,,., my girlfriend is chinese~.,.
-DL
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I wonder why the Nazis took so much more heat than the japes? ???
I think it was due to a lot of reasons. We let the emperor stay we just made him renounce his divinity.
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Hey delusional, kudos on a good subject, I think we get caught up in modern politics so much we neglect the past which of couse has a lot of importance in how we approach things happening now.
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Try reading Rape of Nanking. Absolutely incredible story about the Japanese invasion of China. Just downright ruthless and inhumane. I had to put the book down several times because it was so graphic.
Well, try to read something from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. How some great nation decide to make some history, and use them as a target for first nuke bombs used in war. What a brave act, kill like half a million civil just like that...
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Well, try to read something from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. How some great nation decide to make some history, and use them as a target for first nuke bombs used in war. What a brave act, kill like half a million civil just like that...
Yes, that's another point.
It's useless discussing this further. One has a chinese girlfriend, one has a japanese mother, i am studying japanese history.
We all have our opinions.
I could go on and on about the millions of people Mao Zedong murdered, so there isn't really a point in comparing evil to another and saying what is worse.
Humankind does some crazy shit to itself, that's for sure. And, from my experience, every race or nation is fascist.
Everyone thinks the country he is born in is somewhat better than another. (Except Pakistanis ;D ).
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japs wouldnt surrender. better nuke them than kill many americans trying to take the home islands
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japs wouldnt surrender. better nuke them than kill many americans trying to take the home islands
we nuked two civilian cities and let tokyo stand.
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we nuked two civilian cities and let tokyo stand.
We killed more people fire bombing tokyo than the nukes killed.
Point was they weren;t going to surrender and as a result we would have spent another 2 years fighting. The bombs ended that war and saved many american and Japaneese lives.
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We killed more people fire bombing tokyo than the nukes killed.
Point was they weren;t going to surrender and as a result we would have spent another 2 years fighting. The bombs ended that war and saved many american and Japaneese lives.
Yes, the story goes like that, and no one ever even think it could be a smokescreen. Don't get me wrong, there were justification to that act, but the targets could have been better, like some kind of military installations, if you know what I mean. Instead of that they nuked two cities without none military value what so ever, killing a half a million civilians. What is 9/11 compared to that terrorist attack?
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japs wouldnt surrender. better nuke them than kill many americans trying to take the home islands
heres the thing i never understood...why would we have 'needed' to invade japan? their navy was destroyed already, their military was no longer capable of any kind of offense towards anyone, they were already beaten.
why would we even need to bother invading japan, just to get a formal surrender?
who cares if they 'dont surrender' if they are already beaten and are no longer a threat? this was the whole arguement for using the bombs-'so we dont have to invade'...but an invasion wasnt even necessary in the first place. we used the bombs to send a message to the world and to the soviets in particular.
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heres the thing i never understood...why would we have 'needed' to invade japan? their navy was destroyed already, their military was no longer capable of any kind of offense towards anyone, they were already beaten.
why would we even need to bother invading japan, just to get a formal surrender?
who cares if they 'dont surrender' if they are already beaten and are no longer a threat? this was the whole arguement for using the bombs-'so we dont have to invade'...but an invasion wasnt even necessary in the first place. we used the bombs to send a message to the world and to the soviets in particular.
This view is discussed very much in scientific reports. In 1945 we already are on the beginning of the cold war.
Maybe the US wanted to be THE winner of the war and prove that they are the most powerful nation on earth, maybe they didn't know what they were dealing with when they threw the bomb (But then again, why did they throw 2 of them?).
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matrix
by your logic, you could make the same point with nazi germany. by feb 1945 they were incapable of any offensive action so why bother invading.....
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by your logic, you could make the same point with nazi germany. by feb 1945 they were incapable of any offensive action so why bother invading.....
Invading is one thing.
If we would have just nuked two cities in Ger after they TRIED to surrender...
LOL @ the evil pwnage. I can see you trying to explain that to the Big Guy in the Sky.
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trying to surrender?
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if they would have surrendered we would not have nuked t hem.
240 your ridiculous if you think this.
Even after the 2nd one there was a coup attempt by many high ranking military officers to seize power in an attempt to stop the next days planned surrender
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if they would have surrendered we would not have nuked t hem.
240 your ridiculous if you think this.
Even after the 2nd one there was a coup attempt by many high ranking military officers to seize power in an attempt to stop the next days planned surrender
We tested it on July 16, then nuked them 4 weeks later. There were stalled surrender talks (many blame on us) and GER was already surrendered (May 7). We nuked two civilian targets to scare the world.
I was under the impression that the Japanese tried to surrender all summer, and we cut ties of communication to complete the first nuke.
Are you saying this is untrue?
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matrix
by your logic, you could make the same point with nazi germany. by feb 1945 they were incapable of any offensive action so why bother invading.....
they wasnt a military necessity either, technically. it simply became a race with the russians to see who would hold sway in the region.
no one ended up invading japan and the end results were the same.
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We tested it on July 16, then nuked them 4 weeks later. There were stalled surrender talks (many blame on us) and GER was already surrendered (May 7). We nuked two civilian targets to scare the world.
I was under the impression that the Japanese tried to surrender all summer, and we cut ties of communication to complete the first nuke.
Are you saying this is untrue?
It was the details of the surrender.
We we wanted a unconditional surrender.
Japan wanted terms.
Terms would have allowed the current leadership to stay in power and potentially become another threat in 10 years.
We were very concerned with invading Japan. Japan was very different from Germany in 1945.
- Japan refused to surrender unconditionally
- We had experienced the finatical defense of Okinawa and Iwo Jima and knew it would cost many US lives to successfully invlade Japan.
- the Germans were't using kamkasi tactics, they weren;t fighting to the death. Japan was donig just that.
although in principle i don;t agree with dropping the nuke, this might be a case were the end justified th means even though the means were very tragic.
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It was the details of the surrender.
We we wanted a unconditional surrender.
Japan wanted terms.
Terms would have allowed the current leadership to stay in power and potentially become another threat in 10 years.
We were very concerned with invading Japan. Japan was very different from Germany in 1945.
- Japan refused to surrender unconditionally
- We had experienced the finatical defense of Okinawa and Iwo Jima and knew it would cost many US lives to successfully invlade Japan.
- the Germans were't using kamkasi tactics, they weren;t fighting to the death. Japan was donig just that.
although in principle i don;t agree with dropping the nuke, this might be a case were the end justified th means even though the means were very tragic.
good points.
btw, it's kamikaze.