Vince what diet were you following? Because I dont put diet info online....thats where someone (who i dont train) must take the bull by the horns and figure out themselves. I cant put a cookie cutter diet online and never have so I have no clue what diet you were following. I blame you for not figuring out the diet that your particular body is supposed to work on. Ever see some diet details (other than what I myself ate the day before) on the net from me? Nope. Never. Because I would never put a generalized diet out there. What works for some 150 lb ectomorph isnt going to work for some 250 lb endomorph.
Ive seen your body and I would limit carbs greatly with you and i would have you on a treadmill 20 mins after workouts and every single day except leg day (45 minutes first thing in the morning on off days).....Is that what you were doing on your own? I doubt it
First off, DC you know I respect you and your company and I know I think your company sells the best raw protein and supps. So I don't want you to think I'm bashing you
The people I spoke with were your clients including Skip on IM and I made a copy of your beginners routine you posted. Its possible that I may have missed something in translation in performing the sets but I certainly did not mess up the nutritional plan. I knew my body was not processing the extra protein and it wasn't going to change with continued usage, plain and simple.
Now, DC, you've seen the 2004 Metrolina pics but a lot of people never saw the 2 weeks out pictures where I was lean, shredded, and hard. Even Massive G commented on it but stuff like that gets lost when folks are bashing me. I fucked up that show because I failed to carb up after falling asleep until mid-morning.
Right now, I'm weight training twice a day in a split routine and do 1 hour of moderate cardio on an empty stomach at night and basically take my carbs in only after my training. I got it covered but next show, I'm calling Dr Joe no questions asked because I'll need help in determining the proper diet for a natural athlete since I decided not to use the gear.
I'm sure your methods work for others but it didn't work for me. I respect you but that's the way things went down but if I didn't respect you, I would have never even attempted it