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it was brought up in the thread where Getbig Ron interviewd frank mir and seemed like a good debate..... so....
lets have at it.....
a ufc fight between Mike Tyson vs. Brock Lesnar......
obviously tyson is retired so lets go with - tyson in his prime against ufc lesnar of today....
discuss.....
I'm still thinking about it myself... so def interested to see what you guys have to say.......
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it was brought up in the thread where Getbig Ron interviewd frank mir and seemed like a good debate..... so....
lets have at it.....
a ufc fight between Mike Tyson vs. Brock Lesnar......
obviously tyson is retired so lets go with - tyson in his prime against ufc lesnar of today....
discuss.....
I'm still thinking about it myself... so def interested to see what you guys have to say.......
Lesnar , Tyson has no ground game ...boxing? Mike all day long
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Tyson in his prime by a country mile.
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My vote goes on Tyson.
Would be pretty cool if Nasser was the ref :)
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Tyson in his prime by a country mile.
I wanna think so too but really, what defense does he have against the monkey wrestling crap ufc fighters pull off?
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I'm willing to bet any heavyweight besides Chris Byrd could take Lesnar. Lennox Lewis would make hamburger out of him.
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Lesnar , Tyson has no ground game ...boxing? Mike all day long
good point.... in a ufc fight, if lesnar stays away from tyson's puches, shoots and gets him to the ground...... could be game over.... if it were a boxing match, witcha on that nd tyson all day....
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If the most devastating combination-puncher in history can't neutralize Lesnar, before he gets a hold on him,no one can.
Tentatively Tyson,because Lesnar is still a relative novice in the standup department.
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I'm willing to bet any heavyweight besides Chris Byrd could take Lesnar. Lennox Lewis would make hamburger out of him.
I think in his prime tyson woulda taken lennox, even if lewis was in his prime.... because when they did fight tyson was on his way out the door.
lesnar in a ufc fight beats lennox lewis.... because ^^^ I think in their respective primes tyson>lewis
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one thing for sure.... it's a tough one to call...
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I think in his prime tyson woulda taken lennox, even if lewis was in his prime.... because when they did fight tyson was on his way out the door.
lesnar in a ufc fight beats lennox lewis.... because ^^^ I think in their respective primes tyson>lewis
I think lennox's size negates tyson's advantage. that jab was a jackhammer.
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Tyson in his prime by a country mile.
your fucking right
tyson was an animal. a heavyweight world champion who killed everyone who stood in his way. brock lesnar was a college wrestler and WWE superstar. ::)
he grew up in brooklyn- im sure a street fight would actually be an advantage to him over lesnar.
and there is no way lesnar could match his hand speed or power.
i'm just curious- to everyone who says lesnar would win in a streetfight- have you ever been in one? if your picking lesnar, then you haven't.
thanks for playing.
one punch and lights out for lesnar.
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(since the opening post said in a UFC fight) Not a tough one to call at all. Most mma fighters would just immediately shoot in for a takedown on him. There is strong empirical evidence that Tyson would have zero chance. It's like asking how well Carl Lewis would have done in major league baseball. Just because baseball contains running, doesn't mean he'll do that well.
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good point.... in a ufc fight, if lesnar stays away from tyson's puches, shoots and gets him to the ground...... could be game over.... if it were a boxing match, witcha on that nd tyson all day....
can you give me a quick list of boxers who stayed away from tyson's punches succesfully?
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can you give me a quick list of boxers who stayed away from tyson's punches succesfully?
Ali, Frazier, Louis...... ;D
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Hahaha, is this even a serious question ;D, . Tyson. No two ways about it.
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your fucking right
tyson was an animal. a heavyweight world champion who killed everyone who stood in his way. brock lesnar was a college wrestler and WWE superstar. ::)
he grew up in brooklyn- im sure a street fight would actually be an advantage to him over lesnar.
and there is no way lesnar could match his hand speed or power.
i'm just curious- to everyone who says lesnar would win in a streetfight- have you ever been in one? if your picking lesnar, then you haven't.
thanks for playing.
one punch and lights out for lesnar.
exactly, Tyson was meaner than a starving crocodile and was a big strong heavyweight who had the hand speed of a middleweight and more power than almost any boxer in history, he'd have DESTROYED Lesnar.
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Lesnar would have Played with Tyson.
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exactly, Tyson was meaner than a starving crocodile and was a big strong heavyweight who had the hand speed of a middleweight and more power than almost any boxer in history, he'd have DESTROYED Lesnar.
ufc is different and the raw animal power of lesnar is crazy...i don't know which one to pick
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I think lennox's size negates tyson's advantage. that jab was a jackhammer.
Strange,I think Tyson's jab was as good or even better than Lewis in his prime.
Lewis was a genius working off his jab,but the jab was more often than not merely a paw or used as a rangefinder.
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Ali, Frazier, Louis...... ;D
Ali.Maybe Foreman or Liston. The rest are debatable from the film evidence.
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why do you guys talk about lesnar andtyson ???
you kidding right ?
tyson is maybe the best fighter in fighting sports and an elite athlete ....
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Once again, we are having this stupid pointless argument about "who is better". ::)
Boxing - Tyson would win (Lesnar is not a boxer)
Wrestling - Lesnar wold win (Tyson is not a wrestler)
This, hopefully, should be the end of the thread.
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Once again, we are having this stupid pointless argument about "who is better". ::)
Boxing - Tyson would win (Lesnar is not a boxer)
Wrestling - Lesnar wold win (Tyson is not a wrestler)
This, hopefully, should be the end of the thread.
MMA.
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Tyson.....In under 30 seconds.
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Once again, we are having this stupid pointless argument about "who is better". ::)
Boxing - Tyson would win (Lesnar is not a boxer)
Wrestling - Lesnar wold win (Tyson is not a wrestler)
This, hopefully, should be the end of the thread.
Spot on
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This is short Tyson fight around early 1986, when he turned into a truly great fighter.
Check out his jab and also at the 2.00 mark his head movement.
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can you give me a quick list of boxers who stayed away from tyson's punches succesfully?
Yes, Tony tucker, Bonecrusher smith, Buster Douglas, Evander holyfield, Lennox lewis.......
Styles make fights, Mike often had problems with big men who could jab and move. Lennox was the opitome of that type of boxer - he may well have had the best jab of any heavyweight ever - I am a big fan of Tyson but i believe lewis at his best beats Tyson.
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Yes, Tony tucker, Bonecrusher smith, Buster Douglas, Evander holyfield, Lennox lewis.......
Styles make fights, Mike often had problems with big men who could jab and move. Lennox was the opitome of that type of boxer - he may well have had the best jab of any heavyweight ever - I am a big fan of Tyson but i believe lewis at his best beats Tyson.
I'm with you I believe at his best Lennox would've beat him and Tyson couldn't fight going backwards either that's how in part Holyfield beat em
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Yes, Tony tucker, Bonecrusher smith, Buster Douglas, Evander holyfield, Lennox lewis.......
Styles make fights, Mike often had problems with big men who could jab and move. Lennox was the opitome of that type of boxer - he may well have had the best jab of any heavyweight ever - I am a big fan of Tyson but i believe lewis at his best beats Tyson.
true...but we are talking prime Tyson years.during the cus d" amato years
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Yes, Tony tucker, Bonecrusher smith, Buster Douglas, Evander holyfield, Lennox lewis.......
Styles make fights, Mike often had problems with big men who could jab and move. Lennox was the opitome of that type of boxer - he may well have had the best jab of any heavyweight ever - I am a big fan of Tyson but i believe lewis at his best beats Tyson.
I can categorically say that Liston and Holmes had better jabs than Lewis.The praise that Lewis gets from superficial fans for this aspect of his game is unreal.Writers used to point the jab out as Lewis weakness when he was fighting.
I would also say that Tyson was going downhill from 1989 onwards.
edit:also Tony Tucker went the distance with Lewis years later.He was a competent fighter,though when the going got tough with Tyson and Lewis he went into survival mode
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Mike was exceptionaly fast, however i still think Lewis beats Tyson at his best - That said its no foregone conclusion by any means. I give it to Lewis based on his jab and boxer/puncher style that i believe mike would have had trouble figuring out and getting close enough to get inside.
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I can categorically say that Liston and Holmes had better jabs than Lewis.The praise that Lewis gets from superficial fans for this aspect of his game is unreal.Writers used to point the jab out as Lewis weakness when he was fighting.
I would also say that Tyson was going downhill from 1989 onwards.
edit:also Tony Tucker went the distance with Lewis years later.He was a competent fighter,though when the going got tough with Tyson and Lewis he went into survival mode
Haha - How can you Categorically say that champ- Did they hit you? :D
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In a cage? Lesnar all day.
Tyson would of been like a turtle or doing the turtle if he ever got in a cage with a stud like Lesnar.
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Mike was exceptionaly fast, however i still think Lewis beats Tyson at his best - That said its no foregone conclusion by any means. I give it to Lewis based on his jab and boxer/puncher style that i believe mike would have had trouble figuring out and getting close enough to get inside.
For fuck's sake. This guy has a jab.
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Tyson every time, apart from the slim possibility that Lesnar gets him on the ground, in which case Tyson would probably go nuts and bite his ass or something and get disqualified.
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Mike was exceptionaly fast, however i still think Lewis beats Tyson at his best - That said its no foregone conclusion by any means. I give it to Lewis based on his jab and boxer/puncher style that i believe mike would have had trouble figuring out and getting close enough to get inside.
That long jab would frustrate Mike which is apparently easy when things aren't going his way
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Haha - How can you Categorically say that champ- Did they hit you? :D
I've seen their fights.Holmes was more accurate and hurtful with his jab and Liston far more powerful.
What do you base the fact that Lewis had the best jab of all time?
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I've seen their fights.Holmes was more persistent,accurate and hurtful with his jab and Liston far more powerful.
What do you base the fact that Lewis had the best jab of all time?
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For fuck's sake. This guy has a jab.
I totally agree that Listen had a fantastic Jab, Dont think that Just because i praise Lennox's Jab I discount others. However if you think that Lewis did not have a great Jab You are very much in a minority.
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I've seen their fights.Holmes was more accurate and hurtful with his jab and Liston far more powerful.
What do you base the fact that Lewis had the best jab of all time?
May well have had.... Read my post please.
And yes, he may well have had - 25Lbs heavier than Liston with exceptional handspeed and power. Just ask Tyson himself. :D
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I totally agree that Listen had a fantastic Jab, Dont think that Just because i praise Lennox's Jab I discount others. However if you think that Lewis did not have a great Jab You are very much in a minority.
Lewis had an effective jab.ALso, if a fighter didn't have a good jab and footwork against a well prepared Lewis he was totally fucked.
Does that mean that Lewis had the greatest jab of all time? Not really.
There has never been a heavyweight in history with his combination of power,size and all-round skills, though.
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In a cage? Lesnar all day.
Tyson would of been like a turtle or doing the turtle if he ever got in a cage with a stud like Lesnar.
Your quite the Big ass negro smasher yourself "SS"
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lesner,tyson street fight.....tyson in 10 seconds
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hower long it would have taken tyson to walk across the ring and throw a right cross....8 seconds?
tyson now at 300 lbs without training would take about 30 seconds to connect....
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For fuck's sake. This guy has a jab.
Sonny was a beast but he would have gotten a mudhole stomped in his chest by Tyson.
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Tyson every time, apart from the slim possibility that Lesnar gets him on the ground, in which case Tyson would probably go nuts and bite his ass or something and get disqualified.
Slim possibility? lol you guys are fuckin nuts.
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tyson is maybe the best fighter in fighting sports and an elite athlete ....
QFT
Lesnar, by comparison, is nothing but a clumsy neanderthal.
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QFT
Lesnar, by comparison, is nothing but a clumsy neanderthal.
haha,
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What a stupid fucking question. Tyson would win ... WITHOUT a doubt.
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Sonny was a beast but he would have gotten a mudhole stomped in his chest by Tyson.
Not so sure about that. Would have been an amazing fight whatever the outcome though. And let's not forget Ali's jab and Holmes'. Holmes may be the most underrated heavyweight champ in history. And don't forget about Ken Norton- maybe the strongest heavyweight ever.
One of the best rounds in boxing history:
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I'd NEVER bet against a young Mike in his prime.
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(http://i44.tinypic.com/2e56tqs.jpg)
with a fist the size of that , tyson wouldnt stand a chance.
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As soon as Tyson sees that big big dick tattoo of Lesnars he'll die of laughter...So I give the win to Lesnar....
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As soon as Tyson sees that big big dick tattoo of Lesnars he'll die of laughter...So I give the win to Lesnar....
HAHAHA gayest tattoo ever. What the fuck was he thinking.
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HAHAHA gayest tattoo ever. What the fuck was he thinking.
He was thinking that HE wants a dagger that happends to come out looking like a cock lol.
I doubt lesnar gives a flying fuck what anyone thinks of it though.
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Not a Brock fan in the least, but Tyson would be on the ground almost instantly and the fight would be over.
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Not a Brock fan in the least, but Tyson would be on the ground almost instantly and the fight would be over.
Exactly.
Lesnar knows how to avoid a punch long enough for a takedown, about 0.002 sec
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Lesnar would kill him in a UFC styles fight.
Tyson's ONLY chance would be to land a knockout punch in the first 25 seconds....IF NOT,
Lesnar would choke him to death in less than a minute,... AND I HATE BROCK to boot...
But that is the truth.
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Not a Brock fan in the least, but Tyson would be on the ground almost instantly and the fight would be over.
Agreeed
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He was thinking that HE wants a dagger that happends to come out looking like a cock lol.
I doubt lesnar gives a flying fuck what anyone thinks of it though.
Scenario, Brock takes a hot blond home, things get hot and heavy, he takes off his shirt, she asks, "Why do you have a a big black cock on your chest?"
"It's not a cock it's a knife..."
Girl: "You're not one of those...bisexual voyeur types are you...?"
"No, it's a knife, not a big dick..."
"Are you, what's it called... projecting, yeah, that's it, projecting what you really want, yet you're ashamed? I saw that on Oprah."
Now the mood is lost, and the girl gone.
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Scenario, Brock takes a hot blond home, things get hot and heavy, he takes off his shirt, she asks, "Why do you have a a big black cock on your chest?"
"It's not a cock it's a knife..."
Girl: "You're not one of those...bisexual voyeur types are you...?"
"No, it's a knife, not a big dick..."
"Are you, what's it called... projecting, yeah, that's it, projecting what you really want, yet you're ashamed? I saw that on Oprah."
Now the mood is lost, and the girl gone.
he already has a super hot ass wife, So I doubt that's a problem..
(http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/371/052/76/TORRIE_SABLE.jpg)
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he already has a super hot ass wife, So I doubt that's a problem..
(http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/371/052/76/TORRIE_SABLE.jpg)
Is she the one standing or sitting. You know hot blondes on Playboy=Gold Digger with fake tiggoes...Would love to hit both, though
Playboy's Cyber Girls and Employee of the month are hotter. Imagine that hot manager at work...
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She's the one sitting, but they touched up the pics so much you could barely tell the two apart. She was hot around '99, now she's old.
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This is a rediculous question, in MMA brock easily wins. hed take mike down at will taking no damage on the feet and pound the much smaller man down. even on their feet its alot different than boxing, brocks big reach advantage would be alot of a factor in an MMA fight with small gloves... tyson would have to get in his face which is a task with some with brocks reach and power. do any pure boxers do well in MMA specificaly UFC? no! brocks getting pretty well rounded nowdays but even as a pure wrestler he have his way with a boxer. and tyson is just a boxer, a great one but just a boxer.
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Brock made Sable his bitch, when he was training for a WWE show here in Toronto a few years back, she was just running back and forth , loading (and taking off) plates for him, bringing him water bottles, towels, getting him a protein shake...he owns that ass 100%
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LOL at this thread.
If youre talking about Tyson in his prime with no mma training at all Lesnar takes this one EASY.
If u give Mike a year or so to prepare for a MMA match with Lesnar he might do better but i still think Lesnar would beat he down pretty bad.
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Exactly.
Lesnar knows how to avoid a punch long enough for a takedown, about 0.002 sec
I think he would inevitably ship a few punches coming in-considering this is Tyson.
The question is can Brock take a few world class combos to the head and body.
One thing-Brock does not hit as hard as Tyson.He doesn't have the technique or speed.That is reasonably safe to infer.
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remember also in ufc no gloves like in boxing - tyson would kill him
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To have a real fight. we need to have a fight without rules. everything goes.
Like the UFC 1,2 and 3.
So if you think a boxer will have a chance against a MMA fighter. good luck.
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Brock made Sable his bitch, when he was training for a WWE show here in Toronto a few years back, she was just running back and forth , loading (and taking off) plates for him, bringing him water bottles, towels, getting him a protein shake...he owns that ass 100%
She's been quite a few wrestler's bitch...fake tatas, fake life. Isnt's she like 10-15 yrs older than him.
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To have a real fight. we need to have a fight without rules. everything goes.
Like the UFC 1,2 and 3.
So if you think a boxer will have a chance against a MMA fighter. good luck.
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you fucking people live in la la land , tyson would walk up to him throw 1 punch even now at 300 lbs and it would be brain damage or death without boxing gloves. tyson is a freak of nature with hand speed and power thats just not even something a human can train to prepare for/ lesner is a big farmboy who trained all his life, big difference between natural freak and someone who needed an entire lifetime to gain some self defense skills!
fucking tank abbot in his prime used to walk across the ring and lay ground fighters out and he is a fucking child compared to tyson.....
lesners chin is made of glass like tommy morrisons , tysons fists and cranium are like a piece of iron, get real people....
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She's been quite a few wrestler's bitch...fake tatas, fake life. Isnt's she like 10-15 yrs older than him.
Yes she has lol, she's in her mid 40's... and he's in his early 30's.
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MMA rules---- lensar
Boxing-------tyson with one arm
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my board savvy is poor but I'd like to take a poll on this......
lets stay with a ufc fight.... because it's so popular today..... and there is a certain consensus on this thread which almost everyone agrees that tyson wins in a boxing match..... again stay mma / ufc because tyson (at the end ) was entertaing a k1 fight with sapp.... so he was willing to be a "fighter" instead of just a boxer..... seems like ufc is & has been edging out boxing in popularity, at least in pop culture media.....
so if someone can poll this.....
in a ufc fight....
Tyson vs. Lesnar
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Tyson in his prime and if UFC would let Tyson go "all out", Tyson would win with a KO and Lesnar would be on the ground without an ear.
If Lesnar would manage to take Mike down before the KO, it would be lights out for Mike.
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has anyone been in a fight before. when someone takes you down the same way brock does natural instinct takes over and they put them in a guillotine or a choke and tyson has plenty of natural fighting instinct. do you think brock could get out of a head lock from mike.
plus dont forget tyson laying on his back could still break ribs or knock out people so winner by first 30second goes to the man they call iron mike.
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when it comes down to brass tacks, mike wasnt just a boxer,, he was a right nasty fucker, beating people up on the street, laying people out in prison and of course in the ring....
in his prime he would knock the fuck out of anyone anywhere...
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With those light ufc gloves (which cause alot more damage than boxing gloves) and tysons speed and movement in his prime, lesnar would be knocked the fuck out before he even layed a paw on tyson. He would get the chance to take him to the ground
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I wanna think so too but really, what defense does he have against the monkey wrestling crap ufc fighters pull off?
i doubt that you have ever been in a fight in your life homo.
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i doubt that you have ever been in a fight in your life homo.
Whoopedoo, digging up quotes from 3 pages back. And you claim I'm stalking you.
Pot----kettle----fat
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Whoopedoo, digging up quotes from 3 pages back. And you claim I'm stalking you.
Pot----kettle----fat
no problem queer, i now now who you really are ;)
i should have guessed. ::)
obviously i own you mind easier than breathing.
now run along you are bugging me.
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no problem queer, i now now who you really are ;)
i should have guessed. ::)
obviously i own you mind easier than breathing.
now run along you are bugging me.
Oh really? Who am I then?
Remember those 100 bucks I offered you, how about them?
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Oh really? Who am I then?
Remember those 100 bucks I offered you, how about them?
hahahahahaha
why would i bother ron, you are quite good with the proxy servers ;). you have gimmicks all over the place - this isn't your first.
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hahahahahaha
why would i bother ron, you are quite good with the proxy servers ;). you have gimmicks all over the place - this isn't your first.
=you are afraid to back up your claims. Lets up the ante to 500 bucks. I'm dead serious about this.
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With those light ufc gloves (which cause alot more damage than boxing gloves) and tysons speed and movement in his prime, lesnar would be knocked the fuck out before he even layed a paw on tyson. He would get the chance to take him to the ground
Top Post - Tysons incredible hand speed would make absolute mincemeat of Lesnar. Even though Lesner is by far the bigger man Tyson is not small either at about 220 lbs. He has street fighting instinct and would hit Lesner about a dozen times without lesnar being able to do anything but cover up. Fuck me, tyson was super quick with Boxing gloves on, imagine his hand speed with UFC gloves.
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=you are afraid to back up your claims. Lets up the ante to 500 bucks. I'm dead serious about this.
hahahahaha you don't have $500.
it would take you many nights to earn it on the corners and in public parks :-X
as i said, i know who you are..........
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it was brought up in the thread where Getbig Ron interviewd frank mir and seemed like a good debate..... so....
lets have at it.....
a ufc fight between Mike Tyson vs. Brock Lesnar......
obviously tyson is retired so lets go with - tyson in his prime against ufc lesnar of today....
discuss.....
I'm still thinking about it myself... so def interested to see what you guys have to say.......
Tyson in his prime. Easy.
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hahahahaha you don't have $500.
it would take you many nights to earn it on the corners and in public parks :-X
as i said, i know who you are..........
I have the money. You're just scared that I might be right.
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has anyone been in a fight before. when someone takes you down the same way brock does natural instinct takes over and they put them in a guillotine or a choke and tyson has plenty of natural fighting instinct. do you think brock could get out of a head lock from mike.
plus dont forget tyson laying on his back could still break ribs or knock out people so winner by first 30second goes to the man they call iron mike.
Nobody even wastes the energy on attempting those chokes in MMA anymore. And no, his punches from his back wouldn't be doing much. Grappler vs Striker: grappler always wins. That's just scientific fact. I don't train grappling, so it's not like I'm repping my club or feeling insecure about my investment into grappling, it's just how it is. 170lb Royce Gracie proved all of this in the early UFCs when there were no rules. Frankly I think Chris Cormier would also beat Tyson, since Cormier has wrestling experience. 150lbs Genki Sudo beat Butterbean in an MMA match. There's a dozen precedents for believing Lesnar would beat Tyson in the UFC, but none to point to the contrary. A lot of hardcore boxing fans don't even rate Tyson that highly.
FatPanda, you're an out-of-shape angry queer. So expect hostility from everyone.
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Nobody even wastes the energy on attempting those chokes in MMA anymore. And no, his punches from his back wouldn't be doing much. Grappler vs Striker: grappler always wins. That's just scientific fact. I don't train grappling, so it's not like I'm repping my club or feeling insecure about my investment into grappling, it's just how it is. 170lb Royce Gracie proved all of this in the early UFCs when there were no rules. Frankly I think Chris Cormier would also beat Tyson, since Cormier has wrestling experience. 150lbs Genki Sudo beat Butterbean in an MMA match. There's a dozen precedents for believing Lesnar would beat Tyson in the UFC, but none to point to the contrary. A lot of hardcore boxing fans don't even rate Tyson that highly.
FatPanda, you're an out-of-shape angry queer. So expect hostility from everyone.
hahahahahahahahaaaaaaa, oh brother. ;D
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That's where the 'fight science' points to, while your logic is from "Tyson so mean and black and from the streets."
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Tyson would maul Lesnar, difference maker = the 4oz. gloves, boxing gloves are 16 oz. in comparison full of foam. Imagine what a PRIME Tyson could do with tiny ass 4oz. MMA gloves.
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You guys have to convince me that Lesnar has the nous and stand-up game to avoid Tyson's bombs or the toughness to absorb his biggest punches and then put a hold on him and take him to the ground.
Otherwise ,out of 10 matches, I would say Tyson takes 7. ;D
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find it pointless
best most skiled athetes/fighters go to big time boxing
lesnar didn't even dominate wrestling
he went to wwe ::)
you are comparing michael jordan to some dude from the AND1 Tour ::)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l302/thehottestmess/242309Mike-Tyson-Posters.jpg?t=1236789700)
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find it pointless
best most skiled athetes/fighters go to big time boxing
lesnar didn't even dominate wrestling
he went to wwe ::)
you are comparing michael jordan to some dude from the AND1 Tour ::)
hahahahaha
An amateur wrestling record of 106-5 is pretty shitty, no ?
I would call that total DOMINATION.
1998 NJCAA Heavyweight Champion, two-time NCAA All-American, two-time Big Ten Conference Champion, and the 2000 NCAA heavyweight champion.
Tyson wouldn't even dare to fight brock, So I dont know why are talking about this.
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Nobody even wastes the energy on attempting those chokes in MMA anymore. And no, his punches from his back wouldn't be doing much. Grappler vs Striker: grappler always wins. That's just scientific fact. I don't train grappling, so it's not like I'm repping my club or feeling insecure about my investment into grappling, it's just how it is. 170lb Royce Gracie proved all of this in the early UFCs when there were no rules. Frankly I think Chris Cormier would also beat Tyson, since Cormier has wrestling experience. 150lbs Genki Sudo beat Butterbean in an MMA match. There's a dozen precedents for believing Lesnar would beat Tyson in the UFC, but none to point to the contrary. A lot of hardcore boxing fans don't even rate Tyson that highly.
FatPanda, you're an out-of-shape angry queer. So expect hostility from everyone.
Gracie faced the average street fighters and bouncers.your reasoning skills are completely moronic.
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Nobody even wastes the energy on attempting those chokes in MMA anymore. And no, his punches from his back wouldn't be doing much. Grappler vs Striker: grappler always wins. That's just scientific fact. I don't train grappling, so it's not like I'm repping my club or feeling insecure about my investment into grappling, it's just how it is. 170lb Royce Gracie proved all of this in the early UFCs when there were no rules. Frankly I think Chris Cormier would also beat Tyson, since Cormier has wrestling experience. 150lbs Genki Sudo beat Butterbean in an MMA match. There's a dozen precedents for believing Lesnar would beat Tyson in the UFC, but none to point to the contrary. A lot of hardcore boxing fans don't even rate Tyson that highly.
FatPanda, you're an out-of-shape angry queer. So expect hostility from everyone.
this is the only part of this post i agree with.
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all morons who favour lesnar are missing an ESSENTIAL ingredient : the QUALITY of the opposition
you fucking think lesnar would get to a take down ??????
you shitting me ?
he got hit by who ????????????
Frank Mir ? The Natural ?
they hit a little harder than me maybe .... tyson is from adifferent galaxy moron than Mir or Couture ( no disrespect..both great fighters in their own right )
But Mike Tyson @ 20-30 or even now is a WHOLE different ballgame than Mir or Couture .....
what's next ? tyson vs kimbo ? ??? ::)
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this is the only part of this post i agree with.
hahahahaha like you and dorian who matter ::)
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what a homo, punching each others with pillows on their hands,
wow big deal
::) ::)
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i still cant beleive your all still debating this... he's a fuckn animal, hed do anything to win, if the fight went to the floor he'd be swinging the hardest arm punhces ever seen in ufc... if that fialed he's be disqualified for biting, using the head, eye gouging, the lot,,, he's one nasty fucker
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what a homo, punching each others with pillows on their hands,
wow big deal
::) ::)
one punch from that hand with the pillow on it would shatter your jaw.
lol at you for thinking a WWE 'superstar' could beat one of the best heavyweight boxers of all time in a streetfight.
reality is calling- pick up the phone.
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what a homo, punching each others with pillows on their hands,
wow big deal
::) ::)
hahahahahhahaaa, you'd piss your pants if Tyson even looked you in the eye. ::)
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tyson is the champ of pillowfights ::) ::)
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tyson is the champ of pillowfights ::) ::)
Lesnar is the king of rehearsed/acted out WWE plays, failed NFL "careers" and three subpar MMA "fights".
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Lesnar is the king of rehearsed/acted out WWE plays, failed NFL "careers" and three subpar MMA "fights".
Tyson went to all of the slumber parties as a kid to practise his fighting skills
::)
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One thing is for certain though, Tyson doesn't have a clue on how to keep money.
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One thing is for certain though, Tyson doesn't have a clue on how to keep money.
hes black...
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what a homo, punching each others with pillows on their hands,
wow big deal
::) ::)
Yet with those pillow on he still knocked people out. Imagine how much damage a Tyson punch would do with a wimpy 4 oz glove. now that would be ugly. And if you have ever heard a Tyson punch up close hit someone then you could imagine how much damage he would cause using the MMA gloves.
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Yet with those pillow on he still knocked people out. Imagine how much damage a Tyson punch would do with a wimpy 4 oz glove. now that would be ugly. And if you have ever heard a Tyson punch up close hit someone then you could imagine how much damage he would cause using the MMA gloves.
Ofcourse, But a guy that moves as fast is lesnar is hard to hit Exactly on the chin at his First try..
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Ofcourse, But a guy that moves as fast is lesnar is hard to hit Exactly on the chin at his First try..
You're fighting a losing battle here. People look at brock as a WWE star. The dude is an all around amazing wrestler, and no one seems to realize that. Brock was just short of being a two time NCAA wrestling champion, he has all kinds of wrestling accolades. The dude could easily take the fight to the ground. Once the fight went to the ground I don't see much hope for tyson. People are scared of tyson, and I dont think brock would be.
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Ofcourse, But a guy that moves as fast is lesnar is hard to hit Exactly on the chin at his First try..
bahahahahahahaha
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Tyson with a 4 oz glove in his prime would destroy the opposition.
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what a homo, punching each others with pillows on their hands,
wow big deal
::) ::)
In a way,those "pillows" make it more dangerous.The bones in the skull are harder than the bones in the fingers.The gloves allow a fighter to punch his opponent in the head with full power, without worrying about breaking his hand on top of his head.
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You're fighting a losing battle here. People look at brock as a WWE star. The dude is an all around amazing wrestler, and no one seems to realize that. Brock was just short of being a two time NCAA wrestling champion, he has all kinds of wrestling accolades. The dude could easily take the fight to the ground. Once the fight went to the ground I don't see much hope for tyson. People are scared of tyson, and I dont think brock would be.
Yes.Yes. ;D I know the wrestler has the advantage over a boxer in a normal MMA match.
However Tyson was such a spectacular striker in his very short peak,that you like to think he would do well in MMA..
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You're fighting a losing battle here. People look at brock as a WWE star. The dude is an all around amazing wrestler, and no one seems to realize that. Brock was just short of being a two time NCAA wrestling champion, he has all kinds of wrestling accolades. The dude could easily take the fight to the ground. Once the fight went to the ground I don't see much hope for tyson. People are scared of tyson, and I dont think brock would be.
Yeah people are ignorant.
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You're fighting a losing battle here. People look at brock as a WWE star. The dude is an all around amazing wrestler, and no one seems to realize that. Brock was just short of being a two time NCAA wrestling champion, he has all kinds of wrestling accolades. The dude could easily take the fight to the ground. Once the fight went to the ground I don't see much hope for tyson. People are scared of tyson, and I dont think brock would be.
and yet Brock has wrestled Kurt angle backstage a dozen times and never once did Brock come close to beating him...Plenty WWE wrestlers have attested to this.and angle gives up alot of weight to Brock....Tyson in 5 seconds.
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tyson is the champ of pillowfights ::) ::)
Man, your fucking dense ! Seriously !
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If I never hear another Tyson vs. Whoever in my life again, it will be too soon.
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haha brock was a ncaa wrestler and all that other crap doesnt mean shit. if he was so good at wrestling why wasnt he asked to goto the Olympics or better yet try out? its very simple because he was shit. that massive russian wrestler from the previous olympics (forgot his name) would rape him in wrestling.
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tyson admitted tito ortiz would kick his ass in a ufc fight,and brock would rip tito apart,you do the math
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if Lesnar was a "great" wrestler ::)
what would you call this guy ?
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" Which Tyson are we talkin' about here pre - incarceration or now? Anyway, MMA rules or not Tyson would rip into Tito like Desiree Wahington. How the f**k can anybody else see it any other way is funny. Styles do make fights yes, but after seeing Ortiz against Lidell, I mean that was practically a boxing match against a trailer trash and he couldn't find his range for a take down, how the f**k is he gonna deal w/ a world class talent. Hell if RJJ just had some balls I don't think he'll even beat him, sh* t forget Tyson, I'll throw in that gorilla they call " Lights Out " he'll pivot on him all night and catch a hook , just ask Jirov!"
" Also Tito has lost his lasts few fights to punchers none of which hit half as hard as Tyson it would be over real quick. Tito would have experience in a clinch but he would still be outpowered by Tyson or head butted or bitten who knows Tyson can get real crazy.
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It cracks me up how people tend to insult the intellegence of these boxers. With MMA being mainstream and the appeal of the sport being more hugh than ever, do you really think that fighters like Jones or Tyson would be naive enough to just get in there with only their boxing skills?
Bas Rutten said that the best way for a primary striker or wrestler to get ready for MMA is for them to stop training completly in their own respective discipline and for them to focus on cross training in another area well suited to make them more diverse. Like if you are a wrestlker you would only train in striking for a bit and if you are a striker you would only train in grappling for a bit. The fact that you are a atheletic fighter, your brain is programmed to quickly gather input in learning any new style bought upon you so that you can quickly adapt to that style. Why you think it only think like 6 months to a year for primary strikers like Rutten and Cro Cop to learn how to grappler.
And with the fame that Tyson and Jones have, any well known team would jump into the oppertunity to train them for months before their MMA deut was to be set. Look at what Bas Rutten has been doing with the ex-one dimensional street brawler Kimbo.
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and yet Brock has wrestled Kurt angle backstage a dozen times and never once did Brock come close to beating him...Plenty WWE wrestlers have attested to this.and angle gives up alot of weight to Brock....Tyson in 5 seconds.
kurt angle won gold at the olympics with a broken neck - i.e. a real profesional wrestler.
he would do well in the ufc
i believe brock is a beast and would beat tyson by taking him to the ground, even a prime tyson, but if he landed even a quarter of a punch on brock as he shots in he would ko him.
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Many people here dont train, dont lift weights or never understood
the basics of fighting but it is ok.
If you believe in a fantasy is is ok.
Nothing wrong with the imagination of some getbiggers.
Making up your own theories are perfectly fine but
try not to present them as facts ;)
To some of the posters in this thread.
Dont express those ideas to real fighters, irl.
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Many people here dont train, dont lift weights or never understood
the basics of fighting but it is ok.
If you believe in a fantasy is is ok.
Nothing wrong with the imagination of some getbiggers.
Making up your own theories are perfectly fine but
try not to present them as facts ;)
To some of the posters in this thread.
Dont express those ideas to real fighters, irl.
you a real fighter ?
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kurt angle won gold at the olympics with a broken neck - i.e. a real profesional wrestler.
he would do well in the ufc
i believe brock is a beast and would beat tyson by taking him to the ground, even a prime tyson, but if he landed even a quarter of a punch on brock as he shots in he would ko him.
exactly....everyone is saying Brock's a great wrestler.no.Angle is a great wrestler.Brock is a decent wrestler.Many people here dont train, dont lift weights or never understood
the basics of fighting but it is ok.
If you believe in a fantasy is is ok.
Nothing wrong with the imagination of some getbiggers.
Making up your own theories are perfectly fine but
try not to present them as facts ;)
To some of the posters in this thread.
Dont express those ideas to real fighters, irl.
does being an internet fighter count :D
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does being an internet fighter count :D
Sure np :)
What I was trying to say was: dont walk into Greg Jackon's camp
and start talking about some wicrazy Tyson vs Brock theories 8).
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Sure np :)
What I was trying to say was: dont walk into Greg Jackon's camp
and start talking about some wicrazy Tyson vs Brock theories 8).
Tyson would fuck Greg Jackson up to.
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if Lesnar was a "great" wrestler ::)
what would you call this guy ?
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2273/2316195150_fd21f1a2b4.jpg)
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If you call tyson a good boxer what would you call muhammed ali?
::) ::)
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This will all come to pass.as either Mir will beat Lenser again.Or if givin the Opportunity Shane Carwin will knock Lenser the fuck out.(In the first round no less).
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If you call tyson a good boxer what would you call muhammed ali?
::) ::)
A loud mouth.that could take a punch.
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This will all come to pass.as either Mir will beat Lenser again.Or if givin the Opportunity Shane Carwin will knock Lenser the fuck out.(In the first round no less).
if you saw the first fight between them brock threw mir around like a rag doll, yes mir got the lock on him, and won, but that was a young inexperienced lesnar.
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if Lesnar was a "great" wrestler ::)
what would you call this guy ?
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2273/2316195150_fd21f1a2b4.jpg)
Remember dude, Lesnar wrestled what we in the states call folk style, or traditional wrestling. There is no traditional wrestling in the olympics. You have two options, one being freestyle and the other being greco-roman. Brock probably would have fared well against anyone in freestyle, but I'm not so sure about greco.
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Chris Brown by a country mile
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Can't remember that Russians name that is pictured but he would destroy Lesnar on the mat in wrestling.
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Can't remember that Russians name that is pictured but he would destroy Lesnar on the mat in wrestling.
Karelin.
One of the most gifted athletic superhumans in the entire
human sports history, an absolutely incredible mutant.
Just by gripping 300lbs Olympic athletes,
he made purple marks on them, bursting their bloodvessels,
before throwing them around
like they were small children.
He was not normal.
Way more gifted than Tyson, even if Tyson was impressive.
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If you call tyson a good boxer what would you call muhammed ali?
::) ::)
or Rocky Marciano ;D
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One one show I watched about him they said he carried a huge refridgerator up 8 flights of stairs by himself.
Not sure how much is a flight of stairs but my daughters mom lived on the second floor of an apartment building and she couldn't help me move her fridge. So I had her pull the straps around and I got in front of the fridge and bent over and carried it up the stairs. She walked behind me and pushed it so I wouldn't fall backward. I was dead when I got up to the top cause I couldn't on the way up. Great cardio.