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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #125 on: March 12, 2014, 04:35:43 AM »
Why can't they track the GPS on the cell phones on board or triangulate them?

Washington Post article said lots of the phones ring when you call them, and still appear to be connected to their network.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #126 on: March 12, 2014, 04:37:43 AM »
One of the most eerie rumors came after a few relatives said they were able to call the cellphones of their loved ones or find them on a Chinese instant messenger service called QQ that indicated that their phones were still somehow online.

A migrant worker in the room said that several other workers from his company were on the plane, including his brother-in-law. Among them, the QQ accounts of three still showed that they were online, he said Sunday afternoon.

Adding to the mystery, other relatives in the room said that when they dialed some passengers’ numbers, they seemed to get ringing tones on the other side even though the calls were not picked up.

The phantom calls triggered a new level of desperation and anger for some. They tried repeatedly Sunday and Monday to ask airline and police officials about the ringing calls and QQ accounts. However unlikely it was, many thought the phones might still be on, and that if authorities just tracked them down, their relatives might be found. But they were largely ignored.

According to Singapore’s Strait Times, a Malaysia Airlines official, Hugh Dunleavy, told families that the company had tried calling mobile phones of crew members as well and that they had also rang. The company turned over those phone numbers to Chinese authorities.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/vanished-malaysia-airlines-flight-leaves-relatives-with-anger-and-phantom-phone-calls/2014/03/10/fdb78642-a862-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #127 on: March 12, 2014, 04:56:26 AM »
One of the most eerie rumors came after a few relatives said they were able to call the cellphones of their loved ones or find them on a Chinese instant messenger service called QQ that indicated that their phones were still somehow online.

A migrant worker in the room said that several other workers from his company were on the plane, including his brother-in-law. Among them, the QQ accounts of three still showed that they were online, he said Sunday afternoon.

Adding to the mystery, other relatives in the room said that when they dialed some passengers’ numbers, they seemed to get ringing tones on the other side even though the calls were not picked up.

The phantom calls triggered a new level of desperation and anger for some. They tried repeatedly Sunday and Monday to ask airline and police officials about the ringing calls and QQ accounts. However unlikely it was, many thought the phones might still be on, and that if authorities just tracked them down, their relatives might be found. But they were largely ignored.

According to Singapore’s Strait Times, a Malaysia Airlines official, Hugh Dunleavy, told families that the company had tried calling mobile phones of crew members as well and that they had also rang. The company turned over those phone numbers to Chinese authorities.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/vanished-malaysia-airlines-flight-leaves-relatives-with-anger-and-phantom-phone-calls/2014/03/10/fdb78642-a862-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html

lol such bs

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #129 on: March 12, 2014, 05:10:53 AM »
One of the most eerie rumors came after a few relatives said they were able to call the cellphones of their loved ones or find them on a Chinese instant messenger service called QQ that indicated that their phones were still somehow online.

A migrant worker in the room said that several other workers from his company were on the plane, including his brother-in-law. Among them, the QQ accounts of three still showed that they were online, he said Sunday afternoon.

Adding to the mystery, other relatives in the room said that when they dialed some passengers’ numbers, they seemed to get ringing tones on the other side even though the calls were not picked up.

The phantom calls triggered a new level of desperation and anger for some. They tried repeatedly Sunday and Monday to ask airline and police officials about the ringing calls and QQ accounts. However unlikely it was, many thought the phones might still be on, and that if authorities just tracked them down, their relatives might be found. But they were largely ignored.

According to Singapore’s Strait Times, a Malaysia Airlines official, Hugh Dunleavy, told families that the company had tried calling mobile phones of crew members as well and that they had also rang. The company turned over those phone numbers to Chinese authorities.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/vanished-malaysia-airlines-flight-leaves-relatives-with-anger-and-phantom-phone-calls/2014/03/10/fdb78642-a862-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html

How, in the 21st century, in this world of information, are we still buying into crap like this?  On a side note, would love to be that ring tone.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #130 on: March 12, 2014, 05:13:50 AM »
Sorry, profit comes first, its not plausible for airlines to make there planes out of that material, Im not saying its not possible, but each flight would probably cost $25000 when its costing $300 now.

I cant be bothered to check what material is used for black boxes but I guarantee they cant make a plane out of it.
Lol, I think shes pulling your pisser.


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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #131 on: March 12, 2014, 05:30:34 AM »
Lol, I think shes pulling your pisser.



maybe maybe not, I asked that same question years ago, so I felt that I needed to answer whether it was a joke.

its all good.
Im flying to Miami soon..may take more Xanax then usual this time round.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #133 on: March 12, 2014, 05:50:57 AM »
maybe maybe not, I asked that same question years ago, so I felt that I needed to answer whether it was a joke.

its all good.
Im flying to Miami soon..may take more Xanax then usual this time round.

I have/had to take Xanax, and believe it or not, I went to a hypnotherapist before my last flight and it made it okay.  I didn't "go to sleep", but did some repetition exercises and cognitive therapy and it really helped.  Didn't have to take the Xanax and was able to actually read a book.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #134 on: March 12, 2014, 06:28:08 AM »
???

There is a reason these people are being ignored

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #135 on: March 12, 2014, 06:37:10 AM »
I have/had to take Xanax, and believe it or not, I went to a hypnotherapist before my last flight and it made it okay.  I didn't "go to sleep", but did some repetition exercises and cognitive therapy and it really helped.  Didn't have to take the Xanax and was able to actually read a book.

I may consider that, I struggle to sleep on airlines, business class included, I hate taking that shit, but fuck it, its one pill going there and one going back.
do you mind sharing a few tips with me?

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #136 on: March 12, 2014, 06:46:08 AM »
I may consider that, I struggle to sleep on airlines, business class included, I hate taking that shit, but fuck it, its one pill going there and one going back.
do you mind sharing a few tips with me?

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #137 on: March 12, 2014, 04:35:41 PM »
so it sounds like they think they found debris from the plane---just watching the news now

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #138 on: March 12, 2014, 04:46:58 PM »
so it sounds like they think they found debris from the plane---just watching the news now
I wonder if this is another false alarm?

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #139 on: March 12, 2014, 05:07:16 PM »
I hope no bodybuilders were on this flight. RIP to anyone with 16 + inch arms - only if ripped though.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #140 on: March 12, 2014, 10:00:45 PM »
USA is now saying it flew on for nearly 4 hours due to the engine data, which I believe comes from rolls Royce health monitoring of all the engines they sell, so the transponder goes off then flies for 4 hours, def hijacking.The report is from the Wall Street journal, and the reporter is known as the best aviation journalist out there.

"U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.
Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program.

That raises a host of new questions and possibilities about what happened aboard the widebody jet carrying 239 people, which vanished from civilian air-traffic control radar over the weekend, about one hour into a flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur.
Six days after the mysterious disappearance prompted a massive international air and water search that so far hasn't produced any results, the investigation appears to be broadening in scope.
U.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probe.
The investigation remains fluid, and it isn't clear whether investigators have evidence indicating possible terrorism or espionage. So far, U.S. national security officials have said that nothing specifically points toward terrorism, though they haven't ruled it out.
But the huge uncertainty about where the plane was headed, and why it apparently continued flying so long without working transponders, has raised theories among investigators that the aircraft may have been commandeered for a reason that appears unclear to U.S. authorities. Some of those theories have been laid out to national security officials and senior personnel from various U.S. agencies, according to one person familiar with the matter.
At one briefing, according to this person, officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purpose."
As of Wednesday it remained unclear whether the plane reached an alternate destination or if it ultimately crashed, potentially hundreds of miles from where an international search effort has been focused.
In those scenarios, neither mechanical problems, pilot mistakes nor some other type of catastrophic incident caused the 250-ton plane to mysteriously vanish from radar.
The latest revelations come as local media reported that Malaysian police visited the home of at least one of the two pilots.
Boeing officials and a Malaysia Airlines official declined to comment.
The engines' onboard monitoring system is provided by their manufacturer, Rolls-Royce PLC, and it periodically sends bursts of data about engine health, operations and aircraft movements to facilities on the ground.
Rolls-Royce couldn't immediately be reached for comment.
As part of its maintenance agreements, Malaysia Airlines transmits its engine data live to Rolls-Royce for analysis. The system compiles data from inside the 777's two Trent 800 engines and transmits snapshots of performance, as well as the altitude and speed of the jet.
Those snippets are compiled and transmitted in 30-minute increments, said one person familiar with the system. According to Rolls-Royce's website, the data is processed automatically "so that subtle changes in condition from one flight to another can be detected."
The engine data is being analyzed to help determine the flight path of the plane after the transponders stopped working. The jet was originally headed for China, and its last verified position was half way across the Gulf of Thailand.
A total flight time of five hours after departing Kuala Lumpur means the Boeing 777 could have continued for an additional distance of about 2,200 nautical miles, reaching points as far as the Indian Ocean, the border of Pakistan or even the Arabian Sea, based on the jet's cruising speed.
Earlier Wednesday, frustrations over the protracted search for the missing plane mounted as both China and Vietnam vented their anger over what they viewed as poor coordination of the effort.
Government conflicts and national arguments over crises are hardly unique to the Flight 370 situation, but some air-safety experts said they couldn't recall another recent instance of governments publicly feuding over search procedures during the early phase of an international investigation.
Authorities radically expanded the size of the search zone Wednesday, which already was proving a challenge to cover effectively, but the mission hadn't turned up much by the end of the fifth day.
Also on Wednesday, a Chinese government website posted images from Chinese satellites showing what it said were three large objects floating in an 8-square-mile area off the southern tip of Vietnam. The objects were discovered on Sunday , according to the website, which didn't say whether the objects had been recovered or examined.
Ten countries were helping to scour the seas around Malaysia, including China, the U.S. and Vietnam. Taiwanese vessels are expected to be on the scene by Friday, with India and Japan having also agreed to join the search soon.
In all, 56 surface ships were taking part in the search, according to statements issued by the contributing governments, with Malaysia providing 27 of them. In addition, 30 fixed-wing aircraft were also searching, with at least 10 shipboard helicopters available, mostly in the waters between Malaysia and Vietnam.
China's government was especially aggrieved. More than 150 of the 239 people on board are Chinese, and family members in Beijing have at times loudly expressed their frustration over the absence of leads.
More than a dozen Chinese diplomats met with Malaysian authorities in Kuala Lumpur on Wednesday as tension grew over the search.
"At present there's a lot of different information out there. It's very chaotic and very hard to verify," foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said in a regular press briefing. "We've said as long as there is a shred of hope, you can't give up."
The day before, Beijing pointedly pressed Malaysia to accelerate its investigation, which has been hampered by false leads on suspected debris and conflicting reports on radar tracking.
Vietnam on Wednesday suspended its search flights after conflicting reports from Malaysia that authorities had tracked the plane to the Strait of Malacca before it disappeared.
Gen. Rodzali Daud, Malaysia's air force chief, denied saying he had told local media that military radar facilities had tracked the plane there, saying they were still examining all possibilities. Vietnam later resumed normal search sweeps.
Malaysian authorities divided the search area into several sectors on either side of the country, as well as areas on land.
The challenge, said Lt. David Levy, a spokesman for the U.S. Navy's Seventh Fleet, isn't so much coordination as the sheer size of the area involved. The search grids are up to 20 miles by 120 miles, and ships and aircraft employ an exhaustive methodical pattern "like mowing your lawn" in their search for the plane, he said.
U.S. defense officials sought to play down any suggestion that the Malaysian government was doing a poor job with the search.
"It is not unusual for searches to take a long time, especially when you are working with limited data," one official said.
Aviation experts say the absence of an electronic signal from the plane before it disappeared from radar screens makes it difficult to pin down possible locations. Some radar data suggested the Boeing 777 might have tried to turn back to Kuala Lumpur before contact was lost, a detail that prompted a search for the plane on both sides of the Malaysian peninsula.
A U.S. Navy P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft has been searching the northern Strait of Malacca, west of Malaysia, while destroyers USS Kidd and USS Pinckney have been deploying helicopters in the Gulf of Thailand to the east.
So far the U.S., like other nations taking part in the search, has had no success. Many aviation experts are concluding that searchers might not have been looking in the right places. Even if the plane broke up in midair, it would have left telltale traces of debris in the ocean. The cracks now emerging between some of the participants in the search could make it even more difficult.
Diplomatic feuds over air disasters have generally erupted over the conclusions of the investigations, long after the initial search is over.
The results of the 1999 crash of an Egyptair Boeing 767 en route to Egypt from New York, which killed 217 people, spawned a dispute between Washington and Cairo that strained ties for years. The National Transportation Safety Board concluded the plane's co-pilot purposely put the twin-engine jet into a steep dive and then resisted efforts by the captain to recover control before the airliner slammed into the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Nantucket. Egyptian authorities insisted the evidence indicated mechanical failure.
Years earlier, Washington and Paris butted heads over the investigation of an American Eagle commuter turboprop that crashed in 1994 near Roselawn, Ind. The French objected to the NTSB's conclusions that French regulators failed to take actions that could have prevented the accident.
—Jon Ostrower, Trefor Moss, Gaurav Raghuvanshi and Josh Chin contributed to this article.
     
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China have said the sat shots arnt of the plane in the water

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #141 on: March 12, 2014, 10:07:20 PM »

Why u wallOfTexting us chief? U should know better, u that desperate for attention?

I always suspected you to be a closet homo. Your attention seeking just confirms it.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #142 on: March 12, 2014, 10:10:34 PM »
Why u wallOfTexting us chief? U should know better, u that desperate for attention?

I always suspected you to be a closet homo. Your attention seeking just confirms it.


Return to fondling thy breasts while twirling blonde curls sweet fat alice

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #143 on: March 12, 2014, 10:14:42 PM »

Return to fondling thy breasts while twirling blonde curls sweet fat alice

Not sure what that Euro trash slanging means but your craving for attention driven homosexuality is more transparent than stretch n seal.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #144 on: March 12, 2014, 11:51:51 PM »
I don't know what the black boxes on planes can do...

A flight data recorder records:

  • The positions of the control surfaces.
  • Data from the flight instruments.
  • The radio communications.
  • The conversations between the flight crew.
  • and probably other things.


Bearing in mind the Black boxes always survive, why dont they make the planes out of the same material as the black box?

No one ever killed and planes always in one peice.

Airplanes by definition have to ...fly.  As such they have to be little bits of almost nothing. Aircraft in relation to their size are astoundingly light.  They are what are called "Monocoque" structures.

There is a form of mathematics called "Linear Programming" which is the discipline of manipulating variables to come up with "good answers" when there is no one single "Best Answer."

Variables such as cost, price, weight, durability, and so forth.  Which in turn influences the design.

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #145 on: March 13, 2014, 01:08:35 AM »
WTF.... I can get a tracker for $100 that'll broadcast once a minute, and will locate my car anywhere on planet earth.

They don't have a backup one running on planes that bad guys can't just 'turn off"?   WTF?  

Can't they use the Find My Phone app, and/or see where the last phone texted or pinged from?  Surely, if someone is jacking a plane and making them fly for oh, 4 hours of sheer panic, SOMEONE on board managed to hide phone from the 2-3 jackers, and could text someone.  

Story is fishy... I'm betting investigators have a damn fine idea of what happened, and they won't want to release that info yet.  Maybe they're investigating and don't want to top off jackers/whoever helped them.  Maybe it's aliens or hostile govt action and they don't want a war.  Who knows.  

IMO, in the old days, they'd just make up some shit and we'd see it on the news and believe it.  Can't do that these days... the minute they say, "Oh, the plane failed due to XYZ mechanical failure at this point", someone will come fwd with a legit text message saying "Oh, we got jacked!" and the location will put the official story to shame and imply an obvious coverup.

So hey, tech might be good for that...  no longer can anyone just make up a BS story.  People CAN prove it wrong.  I guess we'll see what happened eventually, who knows.  Probably just crashed, but really... no debris... that's weird..

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #146 on: March 13, 2014, 08:39:01 AM »
That plane landed somewhere.

"aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours, based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the  Boeing Co.   777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring. . . "
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #147 on: March 13, 2014, 08:58:35 AM »
That plane landed somewhere.

"aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours, based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the  Boeing Co.   777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring. . . "


you would think the insurance company would ask for the plane to at the very least have a viper alarm

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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #148 on: March 13, 2014, 09:00:37 AM »

you would think the insurance company would ask for the plane to at the very least have a viper alarm

 ;D  It probably just has a "Insured by Smith & Wesson" sticker in the back window.
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Re: Malaysian Airlines flight is missing, 239 passengers on board
« Reply #149 on: March 13, 2014, 09:26:50 AM »