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Keep the bullshit out of this thread. This thread is for football fans to talk about the draft.
Pats are picking at number seven. I love Rodgers Cromartie. He dominated at the senior bowl. I expect the pats tp try and trade down a bit, unless Jake long, or Chris long are still on the board.
The pats project to be 21 million under the cap. I guess free agency will decide how they draft.
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Pats are picking at number seven. I love Rodgers Cromartie.
I'm hoping he falls to the Cowboys. Great Athlete. We should probably take Sweed or Desean Jackson in the first also if available.
BTW, what's all this crap I've been hearing about Moss maybe going to my 'boys? The Pats aren't going to let him go are they? TO and Moss on the same team makes for an awesome offense, terrible lockeroom.
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I think it was a rumor started when the pats did not franchise Moss. Everyone around here think they are close to a deal. The only reason the pats would not have franchised Moss was because they had a deal hammered out. They could not announce anything until today so we shall see.
After watching Moss play all year I can tell you this team loved him. I dont think he would do wel under a coach like Wade in Dallas. Nothing against Wade, but imo Moss would not do well with a guy as laid back as Wade.
Imo this is just a rumor. Some bonehead said the pats where going to trade Wilfork if DOrsey was on the board when they picked. Haha that was the dumbest one I heard. Trade a young proven beast of a DE for a rookie.
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I think it was a rumor started when the pats did not franchise Moss. Everyone around here think they are close to a deal. The only reason the pats would not have franchised Moss was because they had a deal hammered out. They could not announce anything until today so we shall see.
After watching Moss play all year I can tell you this team loved him. I dont think he would do wel under a coach like Wade in Dallas. Nothing against Wade, but imo Moss would not do well with a guy as laid back as Wade.
Imo this is just a rumor. Some bonehead said the pats where going to trade Wilfork if DOrsey was on the board when they picked. Haha that was the dumbest one I heard. Trade a young proven beast of a DE for a rookie.
I know how ya feel.sometimes I read the Giants fan forum ::)they bring stupid to a whole new level.
I think alot of the Giants draft will depend if they loose Gibril Wilson{who I think has become a damn good safety},and if they loose Kawika Mitchell one of the starting LB's
...and how in the hell can the Giants top last years draft ;D
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The Ravens are talking QB for this year's draft but selecting 8th will rule any possibility of drafting Matt Ryan out of BC. They're better off drafting a cornerback in the 1st round and then going after a QB in the second.
This Donovan Mcnabb trade to the Ravens talk is getting ridiculous. He's only 31 years old but he's been injured quite often in the last couple of years. Mcnair will retire because his body's shot and Boller will probably start the season as the starter.
The 2008 season for the Ravens is really like going into the great unknown. Not sure what to expect(even thought Body88 has his opinion for the next few seasons) but we'll see. New head coach, solid running back, same defensive coordinator, steady defense still in place. Hope it translates into some double digit wins.
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The Ravens are talking QB for this year's draft but selecting 8th will rule any possibility of drafting Matt Ryan out of BC. They're better off drafting a cornerback in the 1st round and then going after a QB in the second.
This Donovan Mcnabb trade to the Ravens talk is getting ridiculous. He's only 31 years old but he's been injured quite often in the last couple of years. Mcnair will retire because his body's shot and Boller will probably start the season as the starter.
The 2008 season for the Ravens is really like going into the great unknown. Not sure what to expect(even thought Body88 has his opinion for the next few seasons) but we'll see. New head coach, solid running back, same defensive coordinator, steady defense still in place. Hope it translates into some double digit wins.
Henne in the second round would be a nice pick.
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My boy Josh Barrett looks like he will be a dark horse, possible first rounder. A 235 lb safety running a 4.33 I believe. Other than Ryan Torain I don't see anyone besides him getting in from ASU.
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The Ravens are talking QB for this year's draft but selecting 8th will rule any possibility of drafting Matt Ryan out of BC. They're better off drafting a cornerback in the 1st round and then going after a QB in the second.
This Donovan Mcnabb trade to the Ravens talk is getting ridiculous. He's only 31 years old but he's been injured quite often in the last couple of years. Mcnair will retire because his body's shot and Boller will probably start the season as the starter.
The 2008 season for the Ravens is really like going into the great unknown. Not sure what to expect(even thought Body88 has his opinion for the next few seasons) but we'll see. New head coach, solid running back, same defensive coordinator, steady defense still in place. Hope it translates into some double digit wins.
I called Ryan going to the Ravens earlier this year. If he gets past Parcels I think the ravens take him. Parcels will take Chris Long if he cannot trade down. Its a damn shame because that is who I wanted the pats to take. I watched him play a lot this year, and he is the real deal. Great pocket passer who is pretty damn mobile.
I think the pats will trade down a bit and grab DRC if C long and J long are off the boards
Ryan didn't exactly have the best weapons surrounding him, and he excelled at a very high level.
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My boy Josh Barrett looks like he will be a dark horse, possible first rounder. A 235 lb safety running a 4.33 I believe. Other than Ryan Torain I don't see anyone besides him getting in from ASU.
I was hoping he would last until the second round and the pats would look at him. Teddy Bru is a sun devil :)
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I was hoping he would last until the second round and the pats would look at him. Teddy Bru is a sun devil :)
Blasphemer! He is a Wildcat. ;D Barrett is a good guy, down to Earth. Pats were checking out Torain and Barrett earlier this year. ...
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any good websites that review the 1st round potentials? i havent follwoed in months.
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Keep the bullshit out of this thread. This thread is for football fans to talk about the draft.
Pats are picking at number seven. I love Rodgers Cromartie. He dominated at the senior bowl. I expect the pats tp try and trade down a bit, unless Jake long, or Chris long are still on the board.
The pats project to be 21 million under the cap. I guess free agency will decide how they draft.
i sold a car to his grandmother last week
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any good websites that review the 1st round potentials? i havent follwoed in months.
I just put in a search for-2008 nfl mock draft
...usually daily,I'm kind addicted :-\
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My boy Josh Barrett looks like he will be a dark horse, possible first rounder. A 235 lb safety running a 4.33 I believe. Other than Ryan Torain I don't see anyone besides him getting in from ASU.
Giants might need a safety ;),especially if they lose Wilson to free agency.
did he make alot of plays in college or is he one of those "potential" guys?
The Giants GM,Reece drafts on production not potential.
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Giants might need a safety ;),especially if they lose Wilson to free agency.
did he make alot of plays in college or is he one of those "potential" guys?
The Giants GM,Reece drafts on production not potential.
Naw, he was a major playmaker. When he got hurt 2x his presence in the secondary was missed. He hits hard, is fast and gets into position for picks really well. He can get out of coverage sometimes but every time we had a televised game, he and Robert James were always mentioned on defense. What's funny is that he looks kinda like Strahan.
Edit: Just saw him in the gym; looking big.
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my steelers will take an o lineman to replace faneca
either jeff otah from pitt or some samoan from usc
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Naw, he was a major playmaker. When he got hurt 2x his presence in the secondary was missed. He hits hard, is fast and gets into position for picks really well. He can get out of coverage sometimes but every time we had a televised game, he and Robert James were always mentioned on defense. What's funny is that he looks kinda like Strahan.
Edit: Just saw him in the gym; looking big.
Sounds just like what the Giants need :)
"With the 31 pick the New York Giants choose..."
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my steelers will take an o lineman to replace faneca
either jeff otah from pitt or some samoan from usc
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I think the Steelers might take a look at Gosder Cherilus out of Boston College. 6 ' 6 320 , and he plays with a mean streak like you read about. I saw him get into a fight with a fellow tackle at the combine because the kid was not happy Gosder made him look like a bitch. No one could get past Cherilus at the combine.
I hope the pats take a look at Gosder, the kids a beasttt.....
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i sold a car to his grandmother last week
Really, did she talk about her grand son's at all?
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If Chris long or Jake long are not on the boards at number seven, I hope the pats trade down a bit and take DRC... DRC put on a show at the combine, but more importently he tore up the senior bowl against the best the country has to offer. I want to see the pats trade down to 14 or so and take DRC, grab a extra 2009 first rounder, take Quenton Groves with the second rounder, Barrett with Oaklands third, and Gosder Cherilous with our late third.
Check out the second video down, DRC is a beast........
http://www.thephinsider.com/story/2008/2/23/15250/3977
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Well,I'm pretty sure the Giants will be looking at safety and LB early in the draft.
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I like this mock for the pats
Round 1
Patriots trade back to #13 with the Carolina Panthers, to allow them to draft top DT prospect Sedrick Ellis. They also pick up the Panthers second round pick.
With the #13 pick, the Patriots select Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Asante who?
Round 2
With the Panthers second round pick the Patriots select pass rusher, Cliff Avril. He will be groomed as a situational pass rusher and his 4.5 speed is indicative of an explosive first step.
With their own second round pick the Patriots select G/T Branden Albert, as insurance for Neal.
Round 3
With their early third round pick the Patriots select ILB, Jonathon Goff.
With their final third round pick the Patriots select CB, Chevis Jackson.
Now check out our young DBs - DRC 6'2, 184 lbs, Jackson, 6'0, 184 lbs. The Patriots are now well equipped for the future to handle the Colts receivers, and Burress won't be contested by midgets if his team can make it to the big dance again.
I think if the patspick at number 7 it would only be for a short list of players... Jake Long, Ryan Clady or Chris Long ; thats about it imo... I cant see the pats sinking the huge commitment into a lb at number seven, unless it is Chris Long, because Chris is a very special - (elephant type) of linebacker. Quenton Groves and Derek Harvey fit the pats system at the lb position just as good as Gholston does, and Avril would be that guy the pats need to complete the lb core. Belichik never takes lb's high do to the complexity of the position in the pats defense. The pats just signed Seward from Carolina - (who is young - and has huge upside in the pats system) Eric Alexander is ready to step up, Ad will go outside and Vrabel will go inside.
The O is going to be better then in 08.. The return of Sammy Morris, Chad Jackson and David Thomas will make the O even more potent then last year. Brady - Moss , Welker, Jackson, Gaff, Maroney, Morris, Faulk, Watson, Thomas and Span.
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I love this Mock....
Trade down to number 15 with Chicago - ( Matt Ryan), or Carolina - (Clady), and the pats draft :
Rd 1 #14 - Quentin Groves OLB/Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB
Rd 2 #44 - Antoine Cason CB Arizona
Rd 2 #62 - Chris Johnson RB East Carolina
Rd 3 #69 - Jonathan Goff ILB
Rd 3 #94 - Tavares Gooden ILB Miami
Rd 4 #126 - Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian St.
Rd 5 #158 - Adam Seward ILB - ( Pick was traded to Carolina for Seward)
I would love this freakin Draft
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I love this Mock....
Trade down to number 15 with Chicago - ( Matt Ryan), or Carolina - (Clady), and the pats draft :
Rd 1 #14 - Quentin Groves OLB/Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB
Rd 2 #44 - Antoine Cason CB Arizona
Rd 2 #62 - Chris Johnson RB East Carolina
Rd 3 #69 - Jonathan Goff ILB
Rd 3 #94 - Tavares Gooden ILB Miami
Rd 4 #126 - Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian St.
Rd 5 #158 - Adam Seward ILB - ( Pick was traded to Carolina for Seward)
I would love this freakin Draft
that would be a good draft and knowing the pats it wont supprise me but cason's not gonna make it the second round
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that would be a good draft and knowing the pats it wont supprise me but cason's not gonna make it the second round
Cason has already been to Foxboro for two visits. I think Cason will be there early second round - there is so much db talent in this draft, not to mention Cason projects as a zone corner, and most teams with db needs run a lot of man....
This draft is loaded with Corners - Mckelvin, Talib, DRC, Flowers and Porter to name a few.. Cason will be rated lower then these players, but for a team that runs a lot of zone - ( like the pats) he will be rated very high....
I would crap my pants if the pats pulled of the draft I listed above.. This is how I see the o8 draft - (value wise) for the partriots...I didn't include certain players - (like Mcfadden and Ryan), because I feel there is no chance the pats draft them...
Tier 1 -- Value #1-#8
Jake Long OT Michigan
Chris Long LB Virginia
Sedrick Ellis DE Georgia Tech
Ryan Clady OT Boise St
Glen Dorsey -USC
Tier 2 -- Value #9-#20
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee St
Vernon Gholston LB Ohio St
Quentin Groves LB Auburn
Leodis McKelvin CB Troy
Tier 3 -- Value #21-#35
Chad Henne QB Michigan
Felix Jones RB Arkansas
Andre Caldwell WR Florida
Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
Devin Thomas WR Michigan St
Limas Sweed WR Texas
Early Doucett WR LSU
Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
Brandon Albert G Virginia
Derrick Harvey LB Florida
Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina
Aqib Talib CB Kansas
Tier 4 -- Value #36-#55
Joe Flacco QB Delaware
Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt
James Hardy WR Indiana
Anthony Collins OT Kansas
Gosder Cherilus OT Boston College
Cliff Avril LB Purdue
Erin Henderson LB Maryland
Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee
Johnathan Goff LB Vanderbilt
Red Bryant NT Texas A&M
Tracy Porter CB Indiana
Branden Flowers CB Virginia Tech
Reggie Smith DB Oklahoma
Antoine Cason CB Arizona
Tier 5 -- Value #56-#75
Matt Forte RB Tulane
Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech
Eric Young G Tennessee
Ezra Butler LB Nevada
Pat Sims DE Auburn
Marcus Harrison DE Arkansas
Trevor Laws DE Notre Dame
Patrick Lee CB Auburn
Quentin Demps S UTEP
Tier 6 -- Value #76-#100
Chris Johnson RB East Carolina
Oneil Cousins OL UTEP
Charles Godfrey CB Iowa
Chevis Jackson DB LSU
Simeon Castille DB Alabama
Tom Zbikowski S Notre Dame
Jamar Adams S Michigan
Josh Barrett S Arizona St
Tier 7 -- Value #101-#125
Josh Johnson QB San Diego
Kevin Smith RB Central Florida
Owen Schmitt FB/TE West Virginia
Jacob Hester RB LSU
Brad Cottam TE Tennessee
John Greco OT Toledo
Mike Pollack C Arizona St
Stanford Keglar LB Purdue
Jeremy Thompson LB Wake Forest
Ahtyba Rubin NT Iowa St
Frank Okam NT Texas
Tier 8 -- Value #126-#150
Erik Ainge QB Tennessee
Ray Rice RB Rutgers
Lavelle Hawkins WR California
Craig Stevens TE California
Kellen Davis TE Michigan St
Duane Brown OT Virginia Tech
Drew Radovich G USC
Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers
Kory Lichtensteiger C Bowling Green
John Sullivan C Notre Dame
Chase Ortiz ILB TCU
Dwight Lowery CB San Jose St
Jonathan Zenon CB LSU
Jonathan Wilhite CB Auburn
Craig Steltz S LSU
Tier 9 -- Value #151-#200
Sam Kellar QB Nebraska
Thomas Brown RB Georgia
Justin Forsett RB California
Peyton Hillis FB Texas
Chauncey Washington RB USC
Jalen Parmele RB Toledo
Marcus Henry WR Kansas
Paul Hubbard WR Wisconsin
Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina
Gary Barnidge TE Louisville
Drew Miller C Florida
Trevor Scott LB Buffalo
Gary Guyton LB Georgia Tech
Jameel McClain LB Syracuse
Hilee Taylor LB North Carolina
Jeremy Leman LB Illinois
Nick Hayden DE Wisconsin
Jack Ikeguonu CB Wisconsin
Bob Williams S Bethune-Cookman
Tier 10 -- Value #201-UDFA
Seth Adams QB Mississippi
Albert Young RB Iowa
Marcus Thomas RB UTEP
Keon Lattimore RB Maryland
Justin Beaver RB Wisconsin - Whitewater
Bo Ruud ILB Nebraska
Roderick Johnson ILB Oklahoma St
Jason Thornhill ILB Michigan St
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Cason has already been to Foxboro for two visits. I think Cason will be there early second round - there is so much db talent in this draft, not to mention Cason projects as a zone corner, and most teams with db needs run a lot of man....
This draft is loaded with Corners - Mckelvin, Talib, DRC, Flowers and Porter to name a few.. Cason will be rated lower then these players, but for a team that runs a lot of zone - ( like the pats) he will be rated very high....
I would crap my pants if the pats pulled of the draft I listed above.. This is how I see the o8 draft - (value wise) for the partriots...I didn't include certain players - (like Mcfadden and Ryan), because I feel there is no chance the pats draft them...
Tier 1 -- Value #1-#8
Jake Long OT Michigan
Chris Long LB Virginia
Sedrick Ellis DE Georgia Tech
Ryan Clady OT Boise St
Glen Dorsey -USC
Tier 2 -- Value #9-#20
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee St
Vernon Gholston LB Ohio StQuentin Groves LB Auburn
Leodis McKelvin CB Troy
Tier 3 -- Value #21-#35
Chad Henne QB Michigan
Felix Jones RB Arkansas
Andre Caldwell WR Florida
Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
Devin Thomas WR Michigan St
Limas Sweed WR Texas
Early Doucett WR LSU
Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt
Brandon Albert G Virginia
Derrick Harvey LB Florida
Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina
Aqib Talib CB Kansas
Tier 4 -- Value #36-#55
Joe Flacco QB Delaware
Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt
James Hardy WR Indiana
Anthony Collins OT Kansas
Gosder Cherilus OT Boston College
Cliff Avril LB Purdue
Erin Henderson LB Maryland
Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee
Johnathan Goff LB Vanderbilt
Red Bryant NT Texas A&M
Tracy Porter CB Indiana
Branden Flowers CB Virginia Tech
Reggie Smith DB Oklahoma
Antoine Cason CB Arizona
Tier 5 -- Value #56-#75
Matt Forte RB Tulane
Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech
Eric Young G Tennessee
Ezra Butler LB Nevada
Pat Sims DE Auburn
Marcus Harrison DE Arkansas
Trevor Laws DE Notre Dame
Patrick Lee CB Auburn
Quentin Demps S UTEP
Tier 6 -- Value #76-#100
Chris Johnson RB East Carolina
Oneil Cousins OL UTEP
Charles Godfrey CB Iowa
Chevis Jackson DB LSU
Simeon Castille DB Alabama
Tom Zbikowski S Notre Dame
Jamar Adams S Michigan
Josh Barrett S Arizona St
Tier 7 -- Value #101-#125
Josh Johnson QB San Diego
Kevin Smith RB Central Florida
Owen Schmitt FB/TE West Virginia
Jacob Hester RB LSU
Brad Cottam TE Tennessee
John Greco OT Toledo
Mike Pollack C Arizona St
Stanford Keglar LB Purdue
Jeremy Thompson LB Wake Forest
Ahtyba Rubin NT Iowa St
Frank Okam NT Texas
Tier 8 -- Value #126-#150
Erik Ainge QB Tennessee
Ray Rice RB Rutgers
Lavelle Hawkins WR California
Craig Stevens TE California
Kellen Davis TE Michigan St
Duane Brown OT Virginia Tech
Drew Radovich G USC
Jeremy Zuttah G Rutgers
Kory Lichtensteiger C Bowling Green
John Sullivan C Notre Dame
Chase Ortiz ILB TCU
Dwight Lowery CB San Jose St
Jonathan Zenon CB LSU
Jonathan Wilhite CB Auburn
Craig Steltz S LSU
Tier 9 -- Value #151-#200
Sam Kellar QB Nebraska
Thomas Brown RB Georgia
Justin Forsett RB California
Peyton Hillis FB Texas
Chauncey Washington RB USC
Jalen Parmele RB Toledo
Marcus Henry WR Kansas
Paul Hubbard WR Wisconsin
Jerome Simpson WR Coastal Carolina
Gary Barnidge TE Louisville
Drew Miller C Florida
Trevor Scott LB Buffalo
Gary Guyton LB Georgia Tech
Jameel McClain LB Syracuse
Hilee Taylor LB North Carolina
Jeremy Leman LB Illinois
Nick Hayden DE Wisconsin
Jack Ikeguonu CB Wisconsin
Bob Williams S Bethune-Cookman
Tier 10 -- Value #201-UDFA
Seth Adams QB Mississippi
Albert Young RB Iowa
Marcus Thomas RB UTEP
Keon Lattimore RB Maryland
Justin Beaver RB Wisconsin - Whitewater
Bo Ruud ILB Nebraska
Roderick Johnson ILB Oklahoma St
Jason Thornhill ILB Michigan St
Vernon Gholston is a solid pick especially with an ageing LB group
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Vernon Gholston is a solid pick especially with an ageing LB group
Honestly I would much rather have Chris long - ( Elephant lb in the three four).. I don't think the pats will take Gholston at number seven, because Belichick has never drafted a lb higher then the fifth round since he came to the Patriots. I guess this is do to the complexity and responsibility the poisition holds in his scheme. I think he trades down a bit and takes Groves if they go LB in the first round. I think Beli only takes a lb at number seven if he thinks he has another LT on his hands. Belichick was the one who drafted LT and coached him when he was a Giant.
You are right though, Gholston is a beast - we shall see....
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Bumperooski :D
The draft is getting close.
G-men immediate need is a speedy free-safety,followed by linebacker help.
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Rumblings in the New York papers about Shockey being traded for a draft pick.
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If Chris Long falls to 7 and the Pats keep the pick, i'll cream myself.
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not gonna happen Chris longs going to Miami the gm accidentally said "the player we choose is gonna be the cornerstone of our defence for years to come"
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not gonna happen Chris longs going to Miami the gm accidentally said "the player we choose is gonna be the cornerstone of our defence for years to come"
Doubt they take long number one. I would be happy with NE trading down, and getting Groves and Cason in the first round.
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I could definetly see the Gmen trading down with a team who wants a qb.
then the Giants can go after a safety and a lb in the second round.
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Looks like the Dolphins have already signed Chris Long.
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As long as the Falcons go with a Dorsey or Long at #3, then it's a lock the Ravens get Matt Ryan at #8.
But if I were the Falcons, I'd take Ryan in a heart beat.
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As long as the Falcons go with a Dorsey or Long at #3, then it's a lock the Ravens get Matt Ryan at #8.
But if I were the Falcons, I'd take Ryan in a heart beat.
1 down,6 to go huh ;D
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3358424 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3358424)
J. Long going #1
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Looks like the Dolphins have already signed Chris Long.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3358424 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3358424)
J. Long going #1
Your right on top of things ;) :D
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Your right on top of things ;) :D
I'm on top of things. In other recent news, who do you like in the Super Bowl?
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1 down,6 to go huh ;D
YUP. Fingers crossed..... :)
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I'm on top of things. In other recent news, who do you like in the Super Bowl?
No way you'd believe me if I told ya ;D
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Chiefs picked up another 1rst rounder by trading Allen.
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Chiefs trade Allen
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3362701 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3362701)
;D
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Chiefs trade Allen
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3362701 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3362701)
;D
HAHAHA...now that made me laugh out loud ;D
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Got this from ESPN. Looks like the Chiefs will be stocking their roster with high draft picks this year.
The Chiefs now have the No. 5, No. 17, No. 35, No. 66, No. 73 and No. 82 picks in the draft.
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Got this from ESPN. Looks like the Chiefs will be stocking their roster with high draft picks this year.
The Chiefs now have the No. 5, No. 17, No. 35, No. 66, No. 73 and No. 82 picks in the draft.
They need em.that team is a mess.they can definetly get a qb now.trade their #17 down and grab someone.all the qb's might be gone by 35.
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Even though the Gmen pick last I'm still a draft nut and I'm excited about tomorrow :P
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Me too. I'm dying to know what Atlanta is doing at the #3 spot. If they pass on Ryan and take Dosey or Long, I'll be psyched. That would mean Ryan should drop to the Ravens at #8.
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Me too. I'm dying to know what Atlanta is doing at the #3 spot. If they pass on Ryan and take Dosey or Long, I'll be psyched. That would mean Ryan should drop to the Ravens at #8.
Don't forget the Jets.
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You're right. But I think Atlanta is the key. When and if the Falcons pass on Ryan, the Ravens will be making some phone calls to Mangina and cutting a deal.
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You're right. But I think Atlanta is the key. When and if the Falcons pass on Ryan, the Ravens will be making some phone calls to Mangina and cutting a deal.
True.the talk in NY is about McFadden.alot of mock drafts have the Chiefs on him also :-\
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I just want a goddamn quarterback who's worth a flying f!@#!
Sick and tired of the QB position being the weak link on my team year after year.
If they don't get Ryan in this draft and he ends up being a pro bowler with someone else in a couple years, then the Ravens deserve to have the worst fortune and luck.
If they do select him and he ends being a bust, then at least they made an effort, you know? But I think Matt Ryan is the real deal. Watched him play in the big east for the last two years and he has the chance to be special in the pros.
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I just want a goddamn quarterback who's worth a flying f!@#!
Sick and tired of the QB position being the weak link on my team year after year.
If they don't get Ryan in this draft and he ends up being a pro bowler with someone else in a couple years, then the Ravens deserve to have the worst fortune and luck.
If they do select him and he ends being a bust, then at least they made an effort, you know? But I think Matt Ryan is the real deal. Watched him play in the big east for the last two years and he has the chance to be special in the pros.
Who would you like from the leftovers,Flacco,Henne,or Brohm?
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I just want a goddamn quarterback who's worth a flying f!@#!
Sick and tired of the QB position being the weak link on my team year after year.
If they don't get Ryan in this draft and he ends up being a pro bowler with someone else in a couple years, then the Ravens deserve to have the worst fortune and luck.
If they do select him and he ends being a bust, then at least they made an effort, you know? But I think Matt Ryan is the real deal. Watched him play in the big east for the last two years and he has the chance to be special in the pros.
Ryan is going to be a good pro. I have watched him since he came to BC. I wonder if the pats will take a shot at Colt Brennen in rounds six or seven.
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Little Birdie told me that the pats are going to try to trade down, and take Jared Mayo and Cason in the first round.
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You're right. But I think Atlanta is the key. When and if the Falcons pass on Ryan, the Ravens will be making some phone calls to Mangina and cutting a deal.
I dont see it that way. The Ravens will make a deal with the team in front of the jets or the pats. The Jets will be a threat to take RYAN at number six if Mcfadden is of the board, and they dont take Gholston or Long. Clemens is not the answer for the Jets.
Honestly, I see the pats making the deal with Carolina or Chicago to trade down to number thirteen - fifteen ( take Jared Mayo) and use whatever pick they pick up from either team to trade back up in to the first round and take Cason out of zona. If I where you I would be more worried about the bears or the panthers trying to trade up to grab Ryan.
That said, Brohm and FLacco will both be good NFL qb's. If you dont take RYan I think you go Flacco.
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Little Birdie told me that the pats are going to try to trade down, and take Jared Mayo and Cason in the first round.
I'm hoping that someone wants the Giants last pick in the 1rst round and the Giants get 2 number 2's so they can get a safety and a LB. :)
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I dont see it that way. The Ravens will make a deal with the team in front of the jets or the pats. The Jets will be a threat to take RYAN at number six if Mcfadden is of the board, and they dont take Gholston or Long. Clemens is not the answer for the Jets.
Honestly, I see the pats making the deal with Carolina or Chicago to trade down to number thirteen - fifteen ( take Jared Mayo) and use whatever pick they pick up from either team to trade back up in to the first round and take Cason out of zona. If I where you I would be more worried about the bears or the panthers trying to trade up to grab Ryan.
That said, Brohm and FLacco will both be good NFL qb's. If you dont take RYan I think you go Flacco.
I was thinking more along the lines of Brohm. Pocket passer is where it's at in the pros.
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I was thinking more along the lines of Brohm. Pocket passer is where it's at in the pros.
The ONLY issue I have with Brohm is durability, and with the ravens injury woes at qb, I think they go for the big show in Flacco.
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Colt Brennan, huh?
You really think he has a shot at making the pros, do you?
Don't know if that kid will ever be ready for the big time. His bowl game against Georgia proved that once the competition level was significantly upgraded from the WAC to the SEC, his true colors showed.
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Colt Brennan, huh?
You really think he has a shot at making the pros, do you?
Don't know if that kid will ever be ready for the big time. His bowl game against Georgia proved that once the competition level was significantly upgraded from the WAC to the SEC, his true colors showed.
His bowl game against Georgia showed UH's oline could not block Georgia's front seven. They only rushed four guys and sacked him about 8 times, knocked him down about another 8 times.
What did his bowl game against ASU show?
I'm hearing he might not go till the 6th or 7th round. If that's true, he will be the SOD.
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His bowl game against Georgia showed UH's oline could not block Georgia's front seven. They only rushed four guys and sacked him about 8 times, knocked him down about another 8 times.
What did his bowl game against ASU show?
I'm hearing he might not go till the 6th or 7th round. If that's true, he will be the SOD.
Georgia was playing a 3-3-5 nickel and was STILL getting pressure. UH tackles sure had terrible footwork and technique. You'd thunk that Jones and his staff would have made an adjustment on the o line. Slide the guards out to help the tackles, keep an upback to chip the nose tackle, but NOOOOO. Seriously outcoached.
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Keep the bullshit out of this thread. This thread is for football fans to talk about the draft.
Pats are picking at number seven. I love Rodgers Cromartie. He dominated at the senior bowl. I expect the pats tp try and trade down a bit, unless Jake long, or Chris long are still on the board.
The pats project to be 21 million under the cap. I guess free agency will decide how they draft.
man something seems unfair. the cowboys are 22mil under the cap and got pac man for nothing...
they have a good o like gread recievers solid running back . and on defense they have a top 5 secondary with a good mix of pass covering and run support... they can get a free agent LB (z. taylor) or they can make a trade for c. johnson and still be able to refiill in the draft.
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But I think Matt Ryan is the real deal. Watched him play in the big east for the last two years and he has the chance to be special in the pros.
BC now plays in the ACC
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His bowl game against Georgia showed UH's oline could not block Georgia's front seven. They only rushed four guys and sacked him about 8 times, knocked him down about another 8 times.
What did his bowl game against ASU show?
I'm hearing he might not go till the 6th or 7th round. If that's true, he will be the SOD.
His bowl games mean nothing, because his systems and recievers helped him so much. At the combine he had trouble with accuracy and struggled to make most all the NFL throws. That said, he does have talent and their might be something there. He is worth the shot either very late in the draft, or as a udfa.
I never bought the Brennen hype, and I called that he would go very late in the draft, but I would like to see the pats give him a shot in round six if he is stil around.
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Colt Brennan, huh?
You really think he has a shot at making the pros, do you?
Don't know if that kid will ever be ready for the big time. His bowl game against Georgia proved that once the competition level was significantly upgraded from the WAC to the SEC, his true colors showed.
He is worth a shot very late imo. He struggled to make most NFL throws at the combine, but I think with some added size and some coaching he could mature into at least a solid back up. I am not so high on Casel anymore.
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His bowl games mean nothing, because his systems and recievers helped him so much. At the combine he had trouble with accuracy and struggled to make most all the NFL throws. That said, he does have talent and their might be something there. He is worth the shot either very late in the draft, or as a udfa.
I never bought the Brennen hype, and I called that he would go very late in the draft, but I would like to see the pats give him a shot in round six if he is stil around.
If there is one thing Colt doesn't have trouble with, it's accuracy. He's the most accurate QB in NCAA history. And I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but he had the best workout of any QB at the combine in passing drills:
Posted on: Monday, February 25, 2008
Colt as sharp as can be in passing drills
By Stephen Tsai
HawaiiWarriorBeat.com Editor
INDIANAPOLIS — Colt Brennan found the perfect way to quell the football critics.
By being perfect.
Brennan, a former University of Hawai'i quarterback and 2007 Heisman Trophy finalist, was credited with 100-percent accuracy during yesterday's passing drills at the National Football League Scouting Combine in the RCA Dome.
Brennan was 20 of 21 in drills ranging from 5-yard outs to streak patterns. The lone incompletion came when Kansas wideout Marcus Henry dropped a chest-high pass. Because that pass was catchable, the scouting report credited it as a completion.
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http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Feb/25/sp/hawaii802250357.html
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If there is one thing Colt doesn't have trouble with, it's accuracy. He's the most accurate QB in NCAA history. And I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but he had the best workout of any QB at the combine in passing drills:
Posted on: Monday, February 25, 2008
Colt as sharp as can be in passing drills
By Stephen Tsai
HawaiiWarriorBeat.com Editor
INDIANAPOLIS — Colt Brennan found the perfect way to quell the football critics.
By being perfect.
Brennan, a former University of Hawai'i quarterback and 2007 Heisman Trophy finalist, was credited with 100-percent accuracy during yesterday's passing drills at the National Football League Scouting Combine in the RCA Dome.
Brennan was 20 of 21 in drills ranging from 5-yard outs to streak patterns. The lone incompletion came when Kansas wideout Marcus Henry dropped a chest-high pass. Because that pass was catchable, the scouting report credited it as a completion.
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http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Feb/25/sp/hawaii802250357.html
Agree on the accuracy issue. I worry that his 3/4 sidearm throwing motion will be a hinderance throwing over taller tackles in the NFL. Even though he gained some weight, he looked soft in his pro day workout. I think he is worth a shot in the NFL. Not to mention he has a great attitude, with something to prove.
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Agree on the accuracy issue. I worry that his 3/4 sidearm throwing motion will be a hinderance throwing over taller tackles in the NFL. Even though he gained some weight, he looked soft in his pro day workout. I think he is worth a shot in the NFL. Not to mention he has a great attitude, with something to prove.
I don't have a problem with his delivery. Sometimes he throws overhand, sometimes, three quarters, sometimes sidearm. I think the fact he didn't have a lot of passes batted down and he completed 70 percent for his career means his delivery is pretty darn good.
You thought he looked soft at his pro day? He was 218. Looked fine to me.
You're right that he'll have something to prove. He went from a first round pick last year to late round pick this year. It's unfortunate, but I think he'll be a good pro.
More on his combine performance:
I wasn’t there, but I’ll take the word of a veteran NFL scout who has never steered me wrong that Brennan was awesome. And this guy doesn’t drink Kool-Aid.
“It was very good. By far the most accurate. He showed very good timing,” said the scout, who has worked at more than 10 NFL combines. “It was one of the best performances I’ve seen in that.”
http://uhfootball.blogspot.com/2008/02/sunday-combine-news-impressive.html
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If there is one thing Colt doesn't have trouble with, it's accuracy. He's the most accurate QB in NCAA history. And I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but he had the best workout of any QB at the combine in passing drills:
Posted on: Monday, February 25, 2008
Colt as sharp as can be in passing drills
By Stephen Tsai
HawaiiWarriorBeat.com Editor
INDIANAPOLIS — Colt Brennan found the perfect way to quell the football critics.
By being perfect.
Brennan, a former University of Hawai'i quarterback and 2007 Heisman Trophy finalist, was credited with 100-percent accuracy during yesterday's passing drills at the National Football League Scouting Combine in the RCA Dome.
Brennan was 20 of 21 in drills ranging from 5-yard outs to streak patterns. The lone incompletion came when Kansas wideout Marcus Henry dropped a chest-high pass. Because that pass was catchable, the scouting report credited it as a completion.
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http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Feb/25/sp/hawaii802250357.html
You are correct. I was reffering to the senior bowl and its practices, my mistake. Thats were colts inaccuracy with live NFL throws and lack of arm strength was dicovered by many NFL scouts. If colt was so good at the combine, why is he not even in the discussion with the top qbs in the draft? I'm not sure some throwing drills could overshadow his putrid showing at the senior bowl. Dont get me wrong, the qb of the pats was overlooked in the same way, but he had success leading a big time program when he actually got to play.
As I have said before, I think the kid has raw talent, and he is worth a shot, but I think he was highly overrated in college. I thought he would go around round three at the start of the year, but after watching him at the senior bowl I thought six or seven.
Shit, I could be totally wrong, and I hope the pats give him a chance and he turns out to be a stud. But I have to call it like i see it right now. (just my opinion)
"Brennan's inadequate arm strength is obvious to all in attendance. His passes lack any velocity which gives the defensive backs extra time to break up his throws, something that's been a common occurrence.
Woodson has been all over the place with his throws and has shown poor accuracy. His receivers are consistently slowing up in routes, reaching back or leaving their feet in order to try and catch the ball."
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I don't have a problem with his delivery. Sometimes he throws overhand, sometimes, three quarters, sometimes sidearm. I think the fact he didn't have a lot of passes batted down and he completed 70 percent for his career means his delivery is pretty darn good.
You thought he looked soft at his pro day? He was 218. Looked fine to me.
You're right that he'll have something to prove. He went from a first round pick last year to late round pick this year. It's unfortunate, but I think he'll be a good pro.
More on his combine performance:
I wasn’t there, but I’ll take the word of a veteran NFL scout who has never steered me wrong that Brennan was awesome. And this guy doesn’t drink Kool-Aid.
“It was very good. By far the most accurate. He showed very good timing,” said the scout, who has worked at more than 10 NFL combines. “It was one of the best performances I’ve seen in that.”
http://uhfootball.blogspot.com/2008/02/sunday-combine-news-impressive.html
The picture that was on the advertiser.com website showed him having a little "opu." Too much katsu, imho.
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You are correct. I was reffering to the senior bowl and its practices, my mistake. Thats were colts inaccuracy with live NFL throws and lack of arm strength was dicovered by many NFL scouts. If colt was so good at the combine, why is he not even in the discussion with the top qbs in the draft? I'm not sure some throwing drills could overshadow his putrid showing at the senior bowl. Dont get me wrong, the qb of the pats was overlooked in the same way, but he had success leading a big time program when he actually got to play.
As I have said before, I think the kid has raw talent, and he is worth a shot, but I think he was highly overrated in college. I thought he would go around round three at the start of the year, but after watching him at the senior bowl I thought six or seven.
Shit, I could be totally wrong, and I hope the pats give him a chance and he turns out to be a stud. But I have to call it like i see it right now. (just my opinion)
"Brennan's inadequate arm strength is obvious to all in attendance. His passes lack any velocity which gives the defensive backs extra time to break up his throws, something that's been a common occurrence.
Woodson has been all over the place with his throws and has shown poor accuracy. His receivers are consistently slowing up in routes, reaching back or leaving their feet in order to try and catch the ball."
Right before the Senior Bowl he had the flu, lost ten pounds and suffered a hip injury on the first day of practice (recently had surgery). In spite of that, he was selected to start the Senior Bowl and elected team captain. So, his practices couldn't have been that bad. Martz was raving about him at the Senior Bowl.
Anyone who thinks he doesn't have an NFL arm simply hasn't watched him play. Arm strength isn't a problem.
I really have no idea why his stock dropped so much from last year to this year. It certainly wasn't because he suddenly became a lesser player. I've watched Ryan, Henne, Brohm, and Woodson play and IMO Colt is better than all of them.
But we shall see. The encouraging thing for him and our other UH players is lots of players get drafted late and have successful careers. Very interested to see where they all end up.
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BC now plays in the ACC
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Sorry, Earl.Thanks dude, Was puffing the cheeba when I wrote that. ;D
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The picture that was on the advertiser.com website showed him having a little "opu." Too much katsu, imho.
Brennen was 185 at the combine
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Brennen was 185 at the combine
Colt was 207 at the combine. http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Feb/23/sp/hawaii802230340.html
You got some bad Colt sources mang. :) I've been listening to a lot of draft talk the past couple months and the amount of misinformation is astounding. Some guy from the NFL Network (Mayock?) was on a local radio station the other day and he said he was "discounting" UH WR Ryan Grice-Mullins' 4.33 40 at his pro day workout, because he ran a 4.5 and 4.6 at the combine. Claimed to have the numbers right in front of him. When the accuracy of his numbers was questioned, he suddenly had to appear on another show and was gone in less than 60 seconds. Grice-Mullins ran a 4.4 at the combine.
Those "experts" kill me.
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Colt was 207 at the combine. http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2008/Feb/23/sp/hawaii802230340.html
You got some bad Colt sources mang. :) I've been listening to a lot of draft talk the past couple months and the amount of misinformation is astounding. Some guy from the NFL Network (Mayock?) was on a local radio station the other day and he said he was "discounting" UH WR Ryan Grice-Mullins' 4.33 40 at his pro day workout, because he ran a 4.5 and 4.6 at the combine. Claimed to have the numbers right in front of him. When the accuracy of his numbers were questioned, he suddenly had to appear on another show and was gone in less than 60 seconds. Grice-Mullins ran a 4.4 at the combine.
Those "experts" kill me.
Was he 185 at the senior bowl? Thanks for clearing that up for me I was totally wrong with my information.
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So much for Matt Ryan. The Ravens should draft a defensive player at the #8 spot and try to get Flacco or Brohm at the bottom of the round.
The Ravens will draft a lineman or CB at #8.
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So much for Matt Ryan. The Ravens should draft a defensive player at the #8 spot and try to get Flacco or Brohm at the bottom of the round.
The Ravens will draft a lineman or CB at #8.
Hope they pick up Flacco. I think he is a perfect fit for the ravens.
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Hope they pick up Flacco. I think he is a perfect fit for the ravens.
Yeah, I'm beiginning to agree with you about him. Good size at 6'6" and stands tall in the pocket.
Brohm, like you said, has durability issues.
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Was he 185 at the senior bowl? Thanks for clearing that up for me I was totally wrong with my information.
No biggie dude. He was 185 at the Senior Bowl. Lost ten pounds because of the flu. Gained it right back and added more. He was 218 at his pro day workout.
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Yeah, I'm beiginning to agree with you about him. Good size at 6'6" and stands tall in the pocket.
Brohm, like you said, has durability issues.
They rode him hard all through college. That said I think Brohm would still be a good choice. I just think Flacco is the man for the job. Big tough guy with a cannon for an arm. Stands tall in the pocket (like you said) and IMO mirrors the ravens attitude.
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Damn, the Chiefs should jump on Glenn Dorsey with Mcfaddedn going to the Raiders.
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Damn, the Chiefs should jump on Glenn Dorsey with Mcfaddedn going to the Raiders.
I wonder if the pats will take Sedrick Ellis? I think they might trade down if the jets take Gholston.
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Atlanta has officially closed the door on Vick.
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Atlanta has officially closed the door on Vick.
I think they made the right choice.
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Dorsey to KC....
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Jets will take Gholston. I wonder if the pats will get any offers for Sedrick?
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Will the pats trade down for Rivers and Cason? Take Albert or Ellis at seven!!???
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Jets take Gholston.
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Wouldn't the Patriots want Rivers now at #7, given their age at LB?
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Wouldn't the Patriots want Rivers, given their age at LB?
Yes, I can see them trading down and taking groves or rivers. They might make the pick at seven. Depends on how there draft board looks.
They could see a lb that fits there system better in the later rounds. Mayo can be had later, they love mayo.
DRC?
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They might draft a CB at #7 since they lost Samuel In free agency.
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They might draft a CB at #7 since they lost Samuel In free agency.
YES, the pats trade down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Never mind, Pats just traded down.
Ravens should draft DRC or Albert out of Virginia.
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Never mind, Pats just traded down.
Yessssssss. I hope they take Mayo and Cason in round one! Or maybe DRC and Mayo.
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Ravens just traded down with Jags. I hope they gained an extra pick in the first round.
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The ravens just got JAX to trade up from 26. You are going to get Flacco or Brohm plus a ton of picks. You should be pumped.
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Ravens just traded down with Jags. I hope they gained an extra pick in the first round.
Best possible scenario for you. Pats move down to 10 get an extra 3rd rounder. They now have three 3's the number 10 pick and a second rounder.
I am pumped, they are going to draft a ton of good players.
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Yes, the pats take MAYOOOOO!!! Big time ILB out of Tenn. Now I want to see them trade back up in to the end of the first round and take Cason!
Beli was the man who drafted LT, and I hope this kid is a beast!
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Ravens take Flacco 8) Good pick, the birds did the right thing.
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Ravens take Flacco 8) Good pick, the birds did the right thing.
based on what? playing well against 1AA competition? people were intrigued by Boller's measurables at the combine and now Flacco ::)
he was at Pitt and got beat out by two qb's that weren't drafted so he transfered to play inferior competition, the local media in the burgh was basically laughing at the ravens ;D
oh and i really don't like the mendenhall pick my steelers made, we need help on the line and good running backs can be found throughout the draft heck willie parker was a free agent :-\
they should've taken a lineman in the 1st and then taken ray rice in the second, who is now a raven
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Ray Rice. Very surpring pick that early in the second round for the birds.
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Giants did nada and their man just fell to them 8)
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based on what? playing well against 1AA competition? people were intrigued by Boller's measurables at the combine and now Flacco ::)
he was at Pitt and got beat out by two qb's that weren't drafted so he transfered to play inferior competition, the local media in the burgh was basically laughing at the ravens ;D
oh and i really don't like the mendenhall pick my steelers made, we need help on the line and good running backs can be found throughout the draft heck willie parker was a free agent :-\
they should've taken a lineman in the 1st and then taken ray rice in the second, who is now a raven
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False, based on his film and ability to make NFL throws. I like the pick, and I think it will pay off for them.
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Ray Rice. Very surpring pick that early in the second round for the birds.
Rice obv was ranked very high on the birds board, and they draft well so no worries.
Look at Logan mankins.. The pats took him late in the first round a few years back and all the goofs like Kiper said it was a huge reach. PFT did a draft review recently and found that based on Mankins productivity, he should have been taken in the top five the year he was drafted. Mankins is now an all pro player, and one of the best o linemen in the NFL.
Mayok is the only one worth a shit out of the so called experts. Its all about how players project in your system.
Some players I hope to see the pats take with thier three 3's tommorow.
OLB Avril
OLB Crable
TE Stevens
S Morgan
CB Godfrey
CB/S R. Smith
G Zuttah
RB Jamaal Charles
DE Kendall Langford
DT Athya Rubin
NT Red Bryant
OL Anthony Collins
ILB Goff
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based on what? playing well against 1AA competition? people were intrigued by Boller's measurables at the combine and now Flacco ::)
he was at Pitt and got beat out by two qb's that weren't drafted so he transfered to play inferior competition, the local media in the burgh was basically laughing at the ravens ;D
oh and i really don't like the mendenhall pick my steelers made, we need help on the line and good running backs can be found throughout the draft heck willie parker was a free agent :-\
they should've taken a lineman in the 1st and then taken ray rice in the second, who is now a raven
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Alot of teams are oing with to backs now.Ben has the big wr he wanted now.
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Rice obv was ranked very high on the birds board, and they draft well so no worries.
Look at Logan mankins.. The pats took him late in the first round a few years back and all the goofs like Kiper said it was a huge reach. PFT did a draft review recently and found that based on Mankins productivity, he should have been taken in the top five the year he was drafted. Mankins is now an all pro player, and one of the best o linemen in the NFL.
Mayok is the only one worth a shit out of the so called experts. Its all about how players project in your system.
Some players I hope to see the pats take with thier three 3's tommorow.
OLB Avril
OLB Crable
TE Stevens
S Morgan
CB Godfrey
CB/S R. Smith
G Zuttah
RB Jamaal Charles
DE Kendall Langford
DT Athya Rubin
NT Red Bryant
OL Anthony Collins
ILB Goff
Suprising how many picks went early that people had picked for later rounds.Nelson the wr from Kansas,the wr from Eastern Carolina,and the wr from Appalachian st.
and hardly ANY lb's went today.
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Jarod Mayo - ILB Shawn Crable - OLB Wheatley - CB and the chargers 2009 second rounder so far. I am very happy with this draft thus far.
Crable and Mayo are the best 3/4 prospects for the pats that where in this draft imo. Wheatley is going to excel in the 3/4. Blazing speed, as well as his top notch man coverage skills. Another sleeper picked by bb and Pioli in the mold of Asante Samuel.
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Tough day for my UH Warriors. I like where Colt ended up, but would have rather seen him in S.F., Detroit, Tampa, or K.C. What was Carolina thinking? Zorn will be good for Colt and obviously likes him: "Jim Zorn liked all the intangibles ... leadership on the field," Vinnie Cerrato, vice president of player operations said on ESPN. "The guy has had a ton of success."
Looks like good destinations for all of the FAs (with DT Michael Lafaele likely to get into camp with someone too):
Davone Bess said he agreed to a two-year, free-agent contract with the Miami Dolphins. He said he reports to the Dolphins on Thursday.
Bess said he is not discouraged about going the free-agent route.
“I’ve jumped over 100 hurdles my whole life,” he said. “What’s one more?”
He also has no regrets about deciding to relinquish his senior season to apply for the NFL draft.
“No regrets at all,” he said. “One year wouldn’t have made a difference.”
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And Jason Rivers has agreed to a free-agent contract with the Tennessee Titans. Rivers also leaves Thursday.
As for not being drafted, Rivers said: “Everything in my life has been hard. I’ve had to work for it. This is no different. It’s kind of silly to think it would be given to me, handed on a silver platter. Even if I were drafted, I’d still have to work for it. This is kind of humbling, and it puts things in perspective.”
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Ryan Grice-Mullins said he has agreed to terms with the Houston Texans.
And Hercules Satele is going to sign with the Arizona Cardinals.
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http://warriorbeat.honadvblogs.com/
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Great stuff by the Gmen.safety and a corner.super Mario from Michigan.two very productive lb's and a de that is raw and needs work.
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Great stuff by the Gmen.safety and a corner.super Mario from Michigan.two very productive lb's and a de that is raw and needs work.
They should have unloaded Shockey. They are going to have a malcontent who knows they don't want him on their team, killing morale.
Earl, how do you feel about the Stillers draft?
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we got good value picks, mendenhall was a top 15 pick according to many and sweed was a 1st rounder if not for the injuries
but our line still sucks, why did they draft dennis dixon?
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we got good value picks, mendenhall was a top 15 pick according to many and sweed was a 1st rounder if not for the injuries
but our line still sucks, why did they draft dennis dixon?
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Slash part deux. I think Kemo will surprise people. I have done a couple of transactions for his family here in HI. Nice family. He has a younger brother who will be joining he and Maake in a couple of years in the NFL. I hope dennis dixon is more Randel El versus Tee Martin. He is a good athlete, maybe he will replace Reid (Rossum) on KRs. I like the idea of having Ward, Swede, Holmes, Nate in a four wideout set. Spaeth will come into his own this year as well.
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They should have unloaded Shockey. They are going to have a malcontent who knows they don't want him on their team, killing morale.
All of his teamates including Manning have come out and said they want him on the team.
if he runs his mouth he will have no legs to stand on because it's been proved they can play well without him.
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but our line still sucks, why did they draft dennis dixon?
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With the line you guys have, he might be the only QB that can stay alive back there ;D
Seriously, I think they should try to groom him as a quarterback. He could be a great change up to Big Ben as a backup.
It would've been smart for them to get some lineman but, they really scored on the skill positions.
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ANY COWBOY FANS HERE....
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE WASTE OF THE FIRST ROUND PICKS..
MAN O MAN MY FRIED THREW HIS BEER AT THE TV WHEN THEY PICKED FELIX JONES WHILE THE KID FROM ILL WAS STILL THERE...I THOUGHT IT WAS AN ALRIGHT PICK. THE FUNNIEST PICK WAS THE FIRST ROUND PICK FOR A SLOW CORNER OUT OF SOUTH FLORIDA...I CANT EVEN FIND HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS KID...WHAT A WASTE OF A COUPLE OF PICKS
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i think my hometown team The Rams did pretty good in picking up Chris Long, Donnie Avery and a big OT/OG from Toledo, Leonard Little is getting older and they need a good pass rusher with the way the NFL is becoming such a pass obsessed league, i think he'll make a pretty good impact this year, i would have been happy with either Long or Dorsey.
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i like how st louis did....they could have a pretty good season in the nfc west...
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i like how st louis did....they could have a pretty good season in the nfc west...
yeah they should def. do better than 3-13 like last season but 75 percent of their starting offensive line was injured and that spells disaster for ANY team, they won't set the world on fire but they'll be improved.
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yeah they should def. do better than 3-13 like last season but 75 percent of their starting offensive line was injured and that spells disaster for ANY team, they won't set the world on fire but they'll be improved.
Justin King the corner from Penn St. was a steal in the 3rd round.
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based on what? playing well against 1AA competition? people were intrigued by Boller's measurables at the combine and now Flacco ::)
he was at Pitt and got beat out by two qb's that weren't drafted so he transfered to play inferior competition, the local media in the burgh was basically laughing at the ravens ;D
oh and i really don't like the mendenhall pick my steelers made, we need help on the line and good running backs can be found throughout the draft heck willie parker was a free agent :-\
they should've taken a lineman in the 1st and then taken ray rice in the second, who is now a raven
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I don't know as much as you about your local media but there isn't a team in the NFL who didn't rank Flacco at least in the first two rounds on their draft boards. Call me crazy but I'll trust the evaluations of actual NFL teams and scouting rather than your local media.
And wasn't Flacco a freshman or sophomore when he transferred to Delaware? Ever heard of learning curve where players actually get better as they progress through college? could it be he was playing behind elder classmen who were recruited and brought into the program before Flacco even got there? Maybe the offense PITT was running didn't cater to Flacco's strenghts? Division one athletes transfer to other schools all the time for a chance to compete for a starting QB position.
If he ends up being another Kyle Boller, then you were right all along. But until then, you don't know shit.
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The "experts" are wrong about as much as they are right. For example, here are some of Len Pasquarelli's and Mel Kiper's draft grades right after the 2003 and 2004 drafts.
The Ravens got an "A+" for the year they drafted Kyle Boller
The 49ers got a "B" for the year they drafted Rashaun Woods and Derek Hamilton
The Colts got a "C" for the year they took Bob Sanders
The Steelers got a "C+" and "B," respectively, for the years they got Polamalu and Roethlisberger
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The "experts" are wrong about as much as they are right. For example, here are some of Len Pasquarelli's and Mel Kiper's draft grades right after the 2003 and 2004 drafts.
The Ravens got an "A+" for the year they drafted Kyle Boller
The 49ers got a "B" for the year they drafted Rashaun Woods and Derek Hamilton
The Colts got a "C" for the year they took Bob Sanders
The Steelers got a "C+" and "B," respectively, for the years they got Polamalu and Roethlisberger
Gmen get a c year after year. ::)look how the draft turned out for them last year
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The "experts" are wrong about as much as they are right. For example, here are some of Len Pasquarelli's and Mel Kiper's draft grades right after the 2003 and 2004 drafts.
The Ravens got an "A+" for the year they drafted Kyle Boller
The 49ers got a "B" for the year they drafted Rashaun Woods and Derek Hamilton
The Colts got a "C" for the year they took Bob Sanders
The Steelers got a "C+" and "B," respectively, for the years they got Polamalu and Roethlisberger
I agree. That's the point I'm trying to make. The Ravens don't really know how Flacco will turn out until he steps out on the field. Time will tell. Hopefully, He ends up being a shit load better than Boller.
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Gmen get a c year after year. ::)look how the draft turned out for them last year
I heard they drafted 8 players last year and all 8 played in the Super Bowl? That should give them an A+ on draft day.
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I agree. That's the point I'm trying to make. The Ravens don't really know how Flacco will turn out until he steps out on the field. Time will tell. Hopefully, He ends up being a shit load better than Boller.
True. No one knows. I haven't seen Flacco play, so I have no opinion about him.
On the other hand, we often see players rise up draft boards based on measurables, including QBs who can throw the ball 75 yards from their knees. That's partly why Boller became such a high draft pick.
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It was actually just 60 yards from his kness. Which is still pretty impressive.
But who really gives a shit if you can't play football on the highest level?
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I don't know as much as you about your local media but there isn't a team in the NFL who didn't rank Flacco at least in the first two rounds on their draft boards. Call me crazy but I'll trust the evaluations of actual NFL teams and scouting rather than your local media.
And wasn't Flacco a freshman or sophomore when he transferred to Delaware? Ever heard of learning curve where players actually get better as they progress through college? could it be he was playing behind elder classmen who were recruited and brought into the program before Flacco even got there? Maybe the offense PITT was running didn't cater to Flacco's strenghts? Division one athletes transfer to other schools all the time for a chance to compete for a starting QB position.
If he ends up being another Kyle Boller, then you were right all along. But until then, you don't know shit.
Don't listen to the reach bullshit. The pats "reached" for Logan Mankins in 2005, and he is now one of the best O linemen in the NFL (played in his first probowl this year). Different players develope at different times. Flacco could be "the guy". People act as if Drafting Tom Brady's and Payton Manning's is easy.
Big ben suffered from his own share of doubts when he was drafted. Flacco is a big, strong kid, with good vision and a cannon arm. Mirrors the ravens perfectly, and was a good choice imo.
These draft knicks (aside from mayock) are wrong 99 percent of the time.
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The "experts" are wrong about as much as they are right. For example, here are some of Len Pasquarelli's and Mel Kiper's draft grades right after the 2003 and 2004 drafts.
The Ravens got an "A+" for the year they drafted Kyle Boller
The 49ers got a "B" for the year they drafted Rashaun Woods and Derek Hamilton
The Colts got a "C" for the year they took Bob Sanders
The Steelers got a "C+" and "B," respectively, for the years they got Polamalu and Roethlisberger
Aside from Mayock the experts are complete morons.
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I don't know as much as you about your local media but there isn't a team in the NFL who didn't rank Flacco at least in the first two rounds on their draft boards. Call me crazy but I'll trust the evaluations of actual NFL teams and scouting rather than your local media.
And wasn't Flacco a freshman or sophomore when he transferred to Delaware? Ever heard of learning curve where players actually get better as they progress through college? could it be he was playing behind elder classmen who were recruited and brought into the program before Flacco even got there? Maybe the offense PITT was running didn't cater to Flacco's strenghts? Division one athletes transfer to other schools all the time for a chance to compete for a starting QB position.
If he ends up being another Kyle Boller, then you were right all along. But until then, you don't know shit.
many if not most nfl teams didn't have flacco as a top 20 guy and he wasn't even considered a 1st rounder until the combine ie KYLE BOLLER ;)
Tyler Palko and Luke Getsy were in the Pitt program one year longer than Flacco, I would think a guy worthy of being a 1st rounder can beat out two undrafted free agents
as far as the Pitt offense goes, they play a PRO STYLE offense so if he couldn't handle that how do expect him to play in the pros?
he's a 6'6 qb with a strong arm that played well against inferior competition, why that makes him all of a sudden better than guys like henne and brohm who played and succeeded against strong competion I don't know
not hating, just telling it how it is :)
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many if not most nfl teams didn't have flacco as a top 20 guy and he wasn't even considered a 1st rounder until the combine ie KYLE BOLLER ;)
Tyler Palko and Luke Getsy were in the Pitt program one year longer than Flacco, I would think a guy worthy of being a 1st rounder can beat out two undrafted free agents
as far as the Pitt offense goes, they play a PRO STYLE offense so if he couldn't handle that how do expect him to play in the pros?
he's a 6'6 qb with a strong arm that played well against inferior competition, why that makes him all of a sudden better than guys like henne and brohm who played and succeeded against strong competion I don't know
not hating, just telling it how it is :)
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Do you really think NFL scouts on the Ravens didnt take anything you asid into account? All the experts had logan mankins as a giant reach when the pats picked him, he is now better then 99 percent of the O linemen in the NFL. Just because a guy fails in a system, does not mean he all the sudden can't play in the pros. You are talking about young kids here, maturity comes into play.
My point is that millions of dollars go into scouting on every single NFL team. Teams make mistakes (Boller) but to claim the draft goons who are wrong 99 percent of the time have more insight then an orginazation with a good draft record is ludacris.
Let the kid start and NFL down before you rip him. As for an inferior program, what round did Willt Parker go in?
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Do you really think NFL scouts on the Ravens didnt take anything you asid into account? All the experts had logan mankins as a giant reach when the pats picked him, he is now better then 99 percent of the O linemen in the NFL.
of course they did
what is your point?
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of course they did
what is your point?
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You are making my point. Until the kid fails, why are you acting as if the ravens dont draft well? I'm sure they put a lot of thought into this after the Boller mistake.
I dont think your evaluation ( or the talking heads) was even 1/10th as in depth as the ravens was. From the film I have seen on this kid, he has all the tools to be a legit NFL qb. Hell, if he turns into a Drew Bledsoe type player, I'm sure the ravens will be as happy as a pig in shit.
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You are making my point. Until the kid fails, why are you acting as if the ravens dont draft well? I'm sure they put a lot of thought into this after the Boller mistake.
I dont think your evaluation ( or the talking heads) was even 1/10th as in depth as the raevns was.
I don't think flacco was a good pick, why is this an issue with you?
I think they wanted ryan bad, got desperate and did all that they could to get who they thought was the next best guy
and do the ravens draft well? sure suggs and ngata were great picks but draft results are shown on the field and i'm not impressed with a team that hasn't won a playoff game since 2002
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I don't think flacco was a good pick, why is this an issue with you?
I think they wanted ryan bad, got desperate and did all that they could to get who they thought was the next best guy
and do the ravens draft well? sure suggs and ngata were great picks but draft results are shown on the field and i'm not impressed with a team that hasn't won a playoff game since 2002
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No issue, just trying to argue my point. You have a right to your opinion (of course). I think Flacco is being called a bust by a lot of peolpe before he even has a chance. Honestly, Brohm has injury concerns, and the kid from Michigan has a lot of the same "issues" as Flacco is supposed to have.
I think that Flacco is more durable than Brohm, and that why they took him.
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No issue, just trying to argue my point. You have a right to your opinion (of course). I think Flacco is being called a bust by a lot of peolpe before he even has a chance. Honestly, Brohm has injury concerns, and the kid from Michigan has a lot of the same "issues" as Flacco is supposed to have.
I think that Flacco is more durable than Brohm, and that why they took him.
he might turn out to be a great qb, i just have many doubts
i think brohm was a 1st round talent but he played on a bad louisville team and had a new coach, he should've came out last year
henne was a 4 year starter at Michigan, that says a lot imo
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he might turn out to be a great qb, i just have many doubts
i think brohm was a 1st round talent but he played on a bad louisville team and had a new coach, he should've came out last year
henne was a 4 year starter at Michigan, that says a lot imo
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True, my only concern with Brohm is how hard they rode him at Louisville. As for Henne he was on a talented football team(with a very good offensive line), so in the same way you can take away from Flacco shining around inferior talent, you can take away from Hene enjoying a very good supporting cast. Hene started, but he had his issues.
Only time will tell.
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LMAO at all the 'experts' on ESPN grading the draft two days after it happenend.
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ANY COWBOY FANS HERE....
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE WASTE OF THE FIRST ROUND PICKS..
MAN O MAN MY FRIED THREW HIS BEER AT THE TV WHEN THEY PICKED FELIX JONES WHILE THE KID FROM ILL WAS STILL THERE...I THOUGHT IT WAS AN ALRIGHT PICK. THE FUNNIEST PICK WAS THE FIRST ROUND PICK FOR A SLOW CORNER OUT OF SOUTH FLORIDA...I CANT EVEN FIND HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS KID...WHAT A WASTE OF A COUPLE OF PICKS
I'm a Cowboys fan and I think it was a pretty good draft on paper. We have to wait and see how well the guys they picked do and I was hoping to get a receiver with speed.
As far as Felix over Mendenhall, I think they went for the switch up as opposed to drafting a back that is another Marion Barber III.
Jones could be overated or he could hopefully end up like Priest Holmes.
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I'm a Cowboys fan and I think it was a pretty good draft on paper. We have to wait and see how well the guys they picked do and I was hoping to get a receiver with speed.
As far as Felix over Mendenhall, I think they went for the switch up as opposed to drafting a back that is another Marion Barber III.
Jones could be overated or he could hopefully end up like Priest Holmes.
Tank, TO, Pacman, Romo spells eventual locker room meltdown in the future for the Cowboys.
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ANY COWBOY FANS HERE....
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE WASTE OF THE FIRST ROUND PICKS..
MAN O MAN MY FRIED THREW HIS BEER AT THE TV WHEN THEY PICKED FELIX JONES WHILE THE KID FROM ILL WAS STILL THERE...I THOUGHT IT WAS AN ALRIGHT PICK. THE FUNNIEST PICK WAS THE FIRST ROUND PICK FOR A SLOW CORNER OUT OF SOUTH FLORIDA...I CANT EVEN FIND HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS KID...WHAT A WASTE OF A COUPLE OF PICKS
Are you talking about Mike Jenkins? Jenkins ran a 4.38 at the combine, and one of the best db's in the country all year. Jenkins def was not a waste of a pick, and there is a ton of film out there on him.
As for Jones, I think the kid averaged 9.0 yards a carry this year. If you watch him run, he is a better pure runner than Mcfadden. Mcfadden is fast, but he has twigg legs and does not chance directions well. He was always running up his blockers legs in college. Jones will be a very good NFL runner, and he is the perfect compliment to a banger like Barber IMO.
The best back in this draft is going to be Stewart, mark it down. The kid is a beast, 235 lbs - 4.4 forty - between the tackles runner, who plays fast and is shifty enough to return kicks.He reminds me of clock killin Corey Dillon, just faster.
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The kid branch was a better corner IMO....good reaction to those quick west coast offense type of routes. Another Barber in the making. He gets Physical...
The jenkins kid looked slow in the draft hightlights and he didnt have a very impressive year... and they moved up for him...that was a major reach.
As for Felix. Dude im not saying he sucked. But with the Ill kid still on the board (who is faster than barber) i would have taken the proven every down back.
Are you talking about Mike Jenkins? Jenkins ran a 4.38 at the combine, and one of the best db's in the country all year. Jenkins def was not a waste of a pick, and there is a ton of film out there on him.
As for Jones, I think the kid averaged 9.0 yards a carry this year. If you watch him run, he is a better pure runner than Mcfadden. Mcfadden is fast, but he has twigg legs and does not chance directions well. He was always running up his blockers legs in college. Jones will be a very good NFL runner, and he is the perfect compliment to a banger like Barber IMO.
The best back in this draft is going to be Stewart, mark it down. The kid is a beast, 235 lbs - 4.4 forty - between the tackles runner, who plays fast and is shifty enough to return kicks.He reminds me of clock killin Corey Dillon, just faster.
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The kid branch was a better corner IMO....good reaction to those quick west coast offense type of routes. Another Barber in the making. He gets Physical...
The jenkins kid looked slow in the draft hightlights and he didnt have a very impressive year... and they moved up for him...that was a major reach.
As for Felix. Dude im not saying he sucked. But with the Ill kid still on the board (who is faster than barber) i would have taken the proven every down back.
I know what you are saying... I cant agree though, I think the whole reach thing is crap. Different players are rated different ways in a teams system ( ob you know this). After I said WTF when the pats selected Logan Makins in the first round back in 05, and then I watched him mature into a top linemen in the NFL i stopped talking about reaches.
Look at Reggie Bush, two years later it looks like Maroney and Addai were the far better value much lower in the first round. Addai was considered a reach in the first round by all the experts.
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I was truly surprised by a lot of the picks I saw. I think Denver got a steal on Josh Barrett. He was a projected 1st or 2nd rounder and I think the Broncos will see good things from him. In fact, many teams are getting some potentially good players without having to spend the money on a first rounder.
Wouldn't it be something if Booty grew a pair and became a real QB?
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I think the Eagles got the most explosive player in the draft with Desean Jackson...he's a playmaker.
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I think the Eagles got the most explosive player in the draft with Desean Jackson...he's a playmaker.
WHY DID HE GO SO LATE...BECAUSE HE IS SHORT?
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WHY DID HE GO SO LATE...BECAUSE HE IS SHORT?
Because he is 160-something pounds.
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Because he is 160-something pounds.
I think he'll be the steal of the draft...I love the fact that he's been working with Jerry Rice. I heard Rice was pissed off that San Fran didn't take him.
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Tank, TO, Pacman, Romo spells eventual locker room meltdown in the future for the Cowboys.
Are you kidding me?
I think this is going to get us back to the glory days of the White House and Super Bowls!
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I think he'll be the steal of the draft...I love the fact that he's been working with Jerry Rice. I heard Rice was pissed off that San Fran didn't take him.
I was talking to a Cal grad the other day who saw him play and is very high on him.
I think Colt Brennan will be the SOD.
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Are you kidding me?
I think this is going to get us back to the glory days of the White House and Super Bowls!
Your avatar and Pac Man means someone gets shot.
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Desean jackson is just too small to be anything more than a #3 reciever and a great return guy.
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Desean jackson is just too small to be anything more than a #3 reciever and a great return guy.
They said the same thing about westbrook as a running back.
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They said the same thing about westbrook as a running back.
steve smith
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steve smith
I was waiting for the Steve Smith comment. Not even close to the same guy. Steve smith has a wide shoulders and strength. Desean is built like Roscoe parrish. Those guys are great when they get the ball in open space like a punt return or end around, but most of the time they are too small to get off jams.
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Giants signed 2 of the top 20 undrafted players.
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They said the same thing about westbrook as a running back.
Totally different. You might as well say "they said doug fluite was too small to play QB"
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I was waiting for the Steve Smith comment. Not even close to the same guy. Steve smith has a wide shoulders and strength. Desean is built like Roscoe parrish. Those guys are great when they get the ball in open space like a punt return or end around, but most of the time they are too small to get off jams.
lmao ROSCOE PARRISH
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Giants signed 2 of the top 20 undrafted players.
so basically they signed two guys that weren't good enough to be drafted
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so basically they signed two guys that weren't good enough to be drafted
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Tell that to Willie Parker and Wes Welker! One the NFL's leading rusher, and the other the best slot reciever in the NFL ( Both undrafted )
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Tell that to Willie Parker and Wes Welker! One the NFL's leading rusher, and the other the best slot reciever in the NFL ( Both undrafted )
yes i am well aware of them but how often do undrafted free agents make an impact?
that's only two guys
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Your avatar and Pac Man means someone gets shot.
LOL
Make it rain, Pacman.
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yes i am well aware of them but how often do undrafted free agents make an impact?
that's only two guys
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Just saying, the Giants draft extremley well. I woulden't write of anybody they draft. There fifth running back on the depth chart ripped it up last year.
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yes i am well aware of them but how often do undrafted free agents make an impact?
that's only two guys
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How could you forget James Harrison.
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ok 3 guys :)
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yes i am well aware of them but how often do undrafted free agents make an impact?
that's only two guys
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Priest Holmes, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Rod Smith, Chrebet, Vinatieri, James Harrison, Antonio Gates . . . .
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Priest Holmes, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Rod Smith, Chrebet, Vinatieri, James Harrison, Antonio Gates . . . .
Forgot the power forward who didn't play college ball.
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Priest Holmes, Tony Romo, Kurt Warner, Rod Smith, Chrebet, Vinatieri, James Harrison, Antonio Gates . . . .
ok there is a good amount of names ;D
but what percentage of undrafted free agents ever amount to anything?
1%?
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ok there is a good amount of names ;D
but what percentage of undrafted free agents ever amount to anything?
1%?
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I heard a discussion about this the other day. Something like 10 percent of undrafted FAs make NFL rosters and somewhere between 10 and 20 percent make the team in some capacity (e.g., practice squad). No question the odds are long.
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The G-men took no Olineman or DT's in the draft so they brought a bunch in.
they are concerned about safety so they signed the guy from Michigan State who was considered the best undrafted safety.
they signed the WR from Alabama,again a guy considered the best WR not drafted.
they also signed the supposed best DE not drafted.he was also from Alabama.
...in case anyone hasn't noticed the Gman have a thing for DE's ;D