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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2014, 07:12:27 AM »
I love how when it's cold, that's "weather", when it's hot, it's "climate"

Not buying that retarded bullshit. Your climate models are pure shit. Your "science" is pure shit and nothing but thinly disguised policy preferences. Thank God that real scientists outed you criminal fucks before you crushed the economy of this country further than you fucking piece of shit pole smoking sperm grubbing assholes already have.

The test is kicking in, mate :D

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2014, 07:13:53 AM »
Are you arguing that the Obama administration bases it's policies only on rational scientific opinions?
Stupid, leading question. Be that better person. 

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2014, 07:14:56 AM »
No. Not missed. Shrub Bush was noted, and then, derided for loading his 'science' advisory committee/budgets with antediluvians and their inanities. One of the first things Obama reversed when he hit town. Guy has misplayed lots, but even he knows to leave science to scientists.
be serious.. the Bush empire is built on oil. Which is not environment friendly. The only Republican who really saw Dangers not just around the Globe was Reagan. Not getting into a political debate but he knew as well that we are not alone. I do believe he wanted the star wars Project for reasons..not just against the Soviets.

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2014, 07:18:09 AM »
Can we all at least aknowledge that rapidly altering the atmosphere might have some effect on the planet?

No response to a neutral, perfectly reasonable question......hmmm

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2014, 07:18:37 AM »
Stupid, leading question. Be that better person. 

You said the Obama leaves the science to the scientists?  Does that apply to all the sciences and not just the hard sciences?
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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2014, 07:18:59 AM »
Can't take credit for the below, came across it one day when reading about "climate change"

"It would be tragic if medical science adopted the standards that climate science employs. Can you imagine getting a paper cut on your finger and having a doctor announce that you're going to die? He'd base his opinion on your current rate of blood loss, calculating that within a few days you'd go into circulatory collapse. Once the blood stopped flowing by itself he would at first deny that there was any pause in the bleeding. After awhile, he'd go looking for the missing blood and he'd find it in your lungs and your brain and then he'd declare that it was just waiting there until the bleeding resumed. Even though there was now no blood loss occurring, he would insist that his confidence in your demise had actually increased from 90% to 95%. He'd support his findings by pointing to a survey of doctors that showed that 97% of them agreed that blood loss can be fatal and that paper can cause cuts.

His recommended solution would be to inject potassium nitrate into your heart so that your blood would no longer be moving and wouldn't be able to leak out of your body. He'd insist that your heart was unsustainable to begin with and could easily be replaced by a carrot and a bit of string. Once that failed he'd immediately blame lack of funding and fly to Cancun or Bali to meet with 20,000 other doctors, activists and politicians to take money away from everyone with a heart and use the revenue to buy bigger carrots.

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Already heard this bed time story.

1.) Scientists predicted in 2000 that kids would grow up without snow. It was 14 years ago now when UK climate scientists argued that global warming would make snowfall a “a very rare and exciting event”.

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” Dr. David Viner, a scientist with the climatic research unit at the University of East Anglia, told the UK Independent in 2000.

After the wettest winter in 248 years, the UK was hit with snowstorms last week. Last year, the UK’s climate authority predicted that this winter would be drier than usual, with only a 15 percent chance of being wet. They were very wrong.

2.) It’s been 10 years since scientists predicted the “end of skiing” in Scotland. An article from the UK’s Guardian in 2004 quoted scientists and environmentalists predicting the demise of Scotland’s winter sports industry, including more remarks from Dr. David Viner, who had already predicted the end of snow in Britain.

“Unfortunately, it’s just getting too hot for the Scottish ski industry,” said Dr. Viner. “It is very vulnerable to climate change; the resorts have always been marginal in terms of snow and, as the rate of climate change increases, it is hard to see a long-term future.”

“Adam Watson, from the Centre for Ecology and Hydrology in Banchory, Aberdeenshire, believes the industry has no more than 20 years left,” the Guardian reported.

Viner and Watson must have been surprised to see the BBC report that Scottish mountains may be their snowiest since 1945.

3.) The Arctic would be “ice-free” by now. “Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years,” Gore said in 2008.

Gore was echoing the predictions made by American scientist Wieslaw Maslowsk in 2007, who said that “you can argue that may be our projection of [an ice-free Arctic by 2013] is already too conservative.”

But in 2013, Arctic sea ice coverage was up 50 percent from 2012 levels. Data from Europe’s Cryosat spacecraft showed that Arctic sea ice coverage was nearly 2,100 cubic miles by the end of this year’s melting season, up from about 1,400 cubic miles during the same time last year.

4.) Environmentalists predicted the end of spring snowfall. In March 2013, the Union of Concerned Scientists predicted that warmer springs would mean declines in snow cover.

“Warmer, earlier springs are a clear signal of a changing climate,” the group said. “March temperatures have grown 2.1 degrees (F) hotter, on average, in the United States since reliable record-keeping began in 1880s. Similarly, the first leaves have started appearing on plants several days earlier than they used to across the country.”

But the record levels of snowfall to hit this year may have caught UCS off guard. On Monday, the U.S. east coast was hit with a massive snowstorm that stretched for 1,300 miles and those in the Baltimore-D.C. area were hit with a 141-year record cold of 4 degrees Fahrenheit on Tuesday morning.


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More AGW non-sense from Live Science, what a surprise, AGW is as un-sceintific as it comes, it's been disproven by every major scientific institution and thousands upon thousands of independent scientists call AGW the anti-science. I remember in the 80's all these alarmists saying that New York will be under 30 stories of water by the early 2000's. Didn't happen, in the 90's they predicted category 5 hurricanes would be hitting our shores en mass by the 2010's, it is now 2014 and we have seen one category 5 in the last five years. They predicted the polar icecaps would be gone by 2015, and yet they are growing. They predicted temperatures climbing by at least 5 degrees every year, we have seen 1 degree rise in temperatures globally in the last 100 years. Alarmists have beat this drum to no end hoping that ignorance would propell their agenda, but now in the age of information one can actually research these studies and find that the ones supporting the claim of AGW are bogus and that there are far more scientists who say that AGW is a political scam than are made public. That said lets end this with some quotes from actual scientists and their findings.

"NASA satellite data from the years 2000 through 2011 show the Earth's atmosphere is allowing far more heat to be released into space than alarmist computer models have predicted" - NASA publicized report on remote sensing authored by DR. Roy Spencer

"The science is now all-but-settled on global warming, convincing new evidence demonstrates, but Al Gore, the IPCC and other global warming doomsayers won’t be celebrating. The new findings point to cosmic rays and the sun — not human activities — as the dominant controller of climate on Earth." - CERN statement during a 2011 press conference with the support of over 63 scientists from 17 institutions.

"global warming (now “climate change”) a “new religion”. Its temple is built on grounds of faith rather than scientific foundations." - Ivar Giaever Winner of a Nobel prize in Physics.

“As a scientist who knows the data, I simply can’t accept [the claim that man plays a dominant role in Earth’s climate],” - Jeff Kuhn, University of Hawaii

Now there is also a petition currently signed by more than 31, 070 scientists more than 9.000 of whom have PHD's that says AGW is un-scientific and they neither support it nor condone it's spread. On the other hand the top 100 supporters of AGW are as follows.

Celebrities

Al Gore, B.A. Government (no science degree)
Alanis Morissette, High School Diploma
Bill Maher, B.A. English (no science degree)
Bono (Paul Hewson), High School Diploma
Daryl Hanna, B.F.A. Theater (no science degree)
Ed Begley Jr., High School Diploma
Jackson Browne, High School Diploma
Jon Bon Jovi (John Bongiovi), High School Diploma
Oprah Winfrey, B.A. Speech and Drama (no science degree)
Prince Charles of Whales, B.A. (no science degree)
Sheryl Crow, B.A. Music Education (no science degree)
Sienna Miller, High School Diploma




ABC - Sam Champion, B.A. Broadcast News (no science degree, not a meteorologist)
CBS - Harry Smith, B.A. Communications and Theater (no science degree)
CBS - Katie Couric, B.A. English (no science degree)
CBS - Scott Pelley, College Dropout
NBC - Ann Curry, B.A. Journalism (no science degree)
NBC - Anne Thompson, B.A. American studies (no science degree)
NBC - Matt Lauer. B.A. Communications (no science degree)
NBC - Meredith Vieira, B.A. English (no science degree)

Al Sharpton, College Dropout
Alicia Keys, College Dropout
Alicia Silverstone, High School Dropout
Art Bell, College Dropout
Ben Affleck, College Dropout
Ben Stiller, College Dropout
Billy Jean King, College Dropout
Brad Pitt, College Dropout
Britney Spears, High School Dropout
Bruce Springsteen, College Dropout
Cameron Diaz, High School Dropout
Cindy Crawford, College Dropout
Diane Keaton, College Dropout
Drew Barrymore, High School Dropout
George Clooney, College Dropout
Gwyneth Paltrow, College Dropout
Jason Biggs, College Dropout
Jennifer Connelly, College Dropout
Jessica Simpson, High School Dropout
John Travolta, High School Dropout
Joshua Jackson, High School Dropout
Julia Louis-Dreyfus, College Dropout
Julia Roberts, College Dropout
Kanye West, College Dropout
Keanu Reeves, High School Dropout
Kevin Bacon, High School Dropout
Kiefer Sutherland, High School Dropout
Leonardo DiCaprio, High School Dropout
Lindsay Lohan, High School Dropout
Ludacris (Christopher Bridges), College Dropout
Madonna (Madonna Ciccone), College Dropout
Matt Damon, College Dropout
Matthew Modine, College Dropout
Michael Moore, College Dropout
Nicole Richie, College Dropout
Neve Campbell, High School Dropout
Olivia Newton-John, High School Dropout
Orlando Bloom, High School Dropout
Paris Hilton, High School Dropout
Pierce Brosnan. High School Dropout
Queen Latifah (Dana Elaine Owens), College Dropout
Richard Branson, High School Dropout
Robert Redford, College Dropout
Rosie O'Donnell, College Dropout
Sarah Silverman, College Dropout
Sean Penn, College Dropout
Ted Turner, College Dropout
Tommy Lee (Thomas Lee Bass), High School Dropout
Uma Thurman, High School Dropout
Willie Nelson, High School Dropout

Politicians:

John McCain, B.S. (Graduated 894th out of 899 in his class)
Newt Gingrich, Ph.D. Modern European History (no science degree) (Hypocrite)
Pat Robertson, B.A., J.D., M.A. Divinity (no science degree)
Robert F. Kennedy Jr, B.A. Government, J.D. Law (no science degree, 'recovered' Heroin addict)

Scientists:

Bill Nye, B.S. Mechanical Engineering (Bill Nye the Science Guy)
Gavin Schmidt, B.A. Ph.D. Applied Mathematics (RealClimate.org)
James Hansen, B.A. Physics and Mathematics, M.S. Astronomy, Ph.D. Physics (NASA, Gavin Schmidt's Boss)
James Lovelock, Ph.D. Medicine, D.Sc. Biophysics
Lonnie Thompson, Ph.D. Geological Sciences
Michael Mann, A.B. Applied Math, Physics, M.S. Physics, Ph.D. Geology & Geophysics (RealClimate.org)
Michael Oppenheimer, S.B. Chemistry, Ph.D. Chemical Physics
Richard C. J. Somerville, Ph.D. Meteorology
Steven Schneider, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering and Plasma Physics

Social Scientists:

Ronald Bailey, B.A. Philosophy and Economics (Science Correspondent, Reason Magazine)

So yeah, follow the paper trail you will find that AGW has fewer scientists supporting it than has standing against it."

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2014, 07:23:50 AM »
be serious.. the Bush empire is built on oil. Which is not environment friendly. The only Republican who really saw Dangers not just around the Globe was Reagan. Not getting into a political debate but he knew as well that we are not alone. I do believe he wanted the star wars Project for reasons..not just against the Soviets.
Sorry. Just answering the question asked. Reagan was a solid, second tier actor, and then an industry spokesman; those 'skills' he brought to the White House. If you're suggesting he started SDI for any other reasons than defence (and that is arguable), then I have some swampland to sell you.    

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2014, 07:35:48 AM »
Sorry. Just answering the question asked. Reagan was a solid, second tier actor, and then an industry spokesman; those 'skills' he brought to the White House. If you're suggesting he started SDI for any other reasons than defence (and that is arguable), then I have some swampland to sell you.    
tell me your swampland theory.

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2014, 07:42:39 AM »
The Facts are there. The planet is changing.

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2014, 07:46:53 AM »
Can we all at least aknowledge that rapidly altering the atmosphere might have some effect on the planet?

Sure. Define "rapidly" and define "some effect"

Then talk about solar cycles and the effect of non-man-made pollutants (volcanos) in the atmosphere. Then talk about the world's worst polluters (China, India) who refuse to play the stupid AGW game. And what yiu have is a bunch of ACADEMIC FRAUDS (Michael Mann), linked with progressive politicians that hate western civilization (not an ad hominem, but a truth) attempting to cripple our economy while making money with their green investments.

When their lie is discovered and known this year or next, hopefully we will have the courage as a country to put these fucking frauds against a wall and shoot them.

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2014, 07:48:32 AM »
The Facts are there. The planet is changing.

Yes, because before the 20th century, the planet was in a state of perfect homeostasis. Never changing. Five billion years of sunny and 73 degrees. Congrats for figuring that out.

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #63 on: May 17, 2014, 07:57:18 AM »
less than 1% read it .

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2014, 07:59:25 AM »
but let us if you want to talk about it...talk about  what you don´t see...under the Ocean. the Facts are there.

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2014, 08:01:55 AM »
Those who believe this stuff should be forced to live it.  No different than if you claim Christ, but live as one who doesn't believe.  If you think man is destroying the world, then get off the grid.  No electricity, no heat no A/C, not mass produced clothes or food, no mechanical forms of transportation...Nothing .  No soup for you!

That would show you why the average lifespan was so low so long ago.

I don't make people wear shoes.  Don't try to make me take mine off.    Freakin' hippie libtard scum.

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2014, 08:05:16 AM »
Those who believe this stuff should be forced to live it.  No different than if you claim Christ, but live as one who doesn't believe.  If you think man is destroying the world, then get off the grid.  No electricity, no heat no A/C, not mass produced clothes or food, no mechanical forms of transportation...Nothing .  No soup for you!

That would show you why the average lifespan was so low so long ago.

I don't make people wear shoes.  Don't try to make me take mine off.    Freakin' hippie libtard scum.

Average lifespan was so "low" because of high child mortality.  If you made it to 21 in England in the 1500s, you could expect to reach 70.

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« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2014, 08:07:26 AM »
Average lifespan was so "low" because of high child mortality.  If you made it to 21 in England in the 1500s, you could expect to reach 70.

I understand that, but there were plenty of settlers that died far earlier than 70 here in America.  It is what it is. Without the "comforts of home", the wilderness is just that.  Wild.

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« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2014, 08:12:59 AM »
Those who believe this stuff should be forced to live it.  No different than if you claim Christ, but live as one who doesn't believe.  If you think man is destroying the world, then get off the grid.  No electricity, no heat no A/C, not mass produced clothes or food, no mechanical forms of transportation...Nothing .  No soup for you!

That would show you why the average lifespan was so low so long ago.

I don't make people wear shoes.  Don't try to make me take mine off.    Freakin' hippie libtard scum.
See. Here's where you lose your last bit of augmentative creditability. Poor debating, and then resort to name calling. Like Coach. Just an angry, shrill man. 

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« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2014, 08:14:17 AM »
But getting back to the subject. we are not talking about life span but the future. It might be true that we now live longer but the Point of my argument is what will come for future Generations.

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Re: It's a Farce!
« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2014, 08:14:24 AM »
I understand that, but there were plenty of settlers that died far earlier than 70 here in America.  It is what it is. Without the "comforts of home", the wilderness is just that.  Wild.

Plenty of people that die before 70 now, even with the "comforts of home".  

In fact, we'd probably live longer if we didn't have as many creature comforts and had to stay as active as our forebears

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« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2014, 08:16:44 AM »
Average lifespan was so "low" because of high child mortality.  If you made it to 21 in England in the 1500s, you could expect to reach 70.

And the lack of medical care. 
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« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2014, 08:16:56 AM »
Plenty of people that die before 70 now, even with the "comforts of home".  

In fact, we'd probably live longer if we didn't have as many creature comforts and had to stay as active as our forebears
exactly and the People who sell These comforts are making Money...pollution...hell no..!!!

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« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2014, 08:19:28 AM »
Plenty of people that die before 70 now, even with the "comforts of home".  

In fact, we'd probably live longer if we didn't have as many creature comforts and had to stay as active as our forebears
Big factor is tooth care. Keep your teeth and you're, more or less, good to go. Lose your teeth and you could probably gum some food 'til you're 30. I remember some (Brit) relatives that preferred to have all their teeth yanked, and then get dentures, rather than take some care of their glazzies.   :-\

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« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2014, 08:22:48 AM »
And the lack of medical care. 

Of course, but it's not like it was a rarity to live last 55 like stats would suggest.  Average lifespan now is 84, I believe.  So 500 years of medical developments led to a massive reduction in infant mortality (nothing to sneeze at) and 20% longer lives.

Point being, our bodies seem designed to give out around 80 years, give or take a few years.  Further advances in medicine probably won't extend lifespan much beyond that