Acceptable TRT doses

[Primemuscle]

What is your humble opinion about TRT in relation with Haematocriet and Prostate enlargement (cancer)

Is is safe or not?

According to my urologist TRT may contribute to a high hematocrit count. However, several other causes are just as likely.

1. Dehydration (heat exhaustion, no available source of fluids)
2. Low availability of oxygen (smoking, high altitude, pulmonary fibrosis)
3. Genetic (congenital heart diseases)
4. Erythrocytosis (over-production of red blood cells by the bone marrow or polycythemia vera)
5. Cor pulmonale (COPD, chronic sleep apnea, pulmonary embolisms)

According to the results of a recent study, testosterone treatment does not increase a man's risk of developing prostate cancer. In fact, new research suggests that this treatment may actually reduce the risk of aggressive prostate cancer.

https://moffitt.org/cancers/prostate-cancer/faqs/can-testosterone-replacement-therapy-increase-the-risk-of-prostate-cancer/

As I've mentioned before, had I not been on TRT, my prostate cancer might not have been detected as early on as it was. Doctors opinions vary regarding TRT's affect on prostate cancer. Some think that although it doesn't cause it, it can speed the progression of the cancer.

Hormone therapy for prostate cancer deprives cancer cells of the male hormones they need to grow. Prostate cancer hormone therapy is often used in combination with radiation and other therapies. We may use hormone therapy to shrink advanced prostate cancer tumors, so they can be treated with radiation.


https://www.cancercenter.com

[Christo]

According to my urologist TRT may contribute to a high hematocrit count. However, several other causes are just as likely.

1. Dehydration (heat exhaustion, no available source of fluids)
2. Low availability of oxygen (smoking, high altitude, pulmonary fibrosis)
3. Genetic (congenital heart diseases)
4. Erythrocytosis (over-production of red blood cells by the bone marrow or polycythemia vera)
5. Cor pulmonale (COPD, chronic sleep apnea, pulmonary embolisms)

According to the results of a recent study, testosterone treatment does not increase a man's risk of developing prostate cancer. In fact, new research suggests that this treatment may actually reduce the risk of aggressive prostate cancer.

https://moffitt.org/cancers/prostate-cancer/faqs/can-testosterone-replacement-therapy-increase-the-risk-of-prostate-cancer/

As I've mentioned before, had I not been on TRT, my prostate cancer might not have been detected as early on as it was. Doctors opinions vary regarding TRT's affect on prostate cancer. Some think that although it doesn't cause it, it can speed the progression of the cancer.

Hormone therapy for prostate cancer deprives cancer cells of the male hormones they need to grow. Prostate cancer hormone therapy is often used in combination with radiation and other therapies. We may use hormone therapy to shrink advanced prostate cancer tumors, so they can be treated with radiation.


https://www.cancercenter.com

Well, everything is still al litlle obvious then. All are assumptions.
For example in the link you posted, the risks with trt such as ankle swolling, increase red bloodcells, heartstroke can also be serious.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3897047/

[jdooly]

  Im currently off my "TRT" of 250mg/week Test Cyp home/self injections.  It's more of an experiment to see how I feel and how my body reacts to going full natural. My question: IYO,  Should I even go off?  What's to gain? Or just stay on the low doses of Test forever like most TRT guys?   42 years old, 185, healthy.  My small gyno did go away so that's been a plus, lol.  Thanks! 

[Primemuscle]

Well, everything is still al litlle obvious then. All are assumptions.
For example in the link you posted, the risks with trt such as ankle swolling, increase red bloodcells, heartstroke can also be serious.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3897047/

Everything we do, every choice we make, has it's pluses and minuses. It's up to each of us to stay informed and decide if the benefits outweigh the risks. Also, nothing is static. Assessments should be ongoing.

Since my hematocrit has started to climb, my doctor and I are being vigilant. Although it is still in the normal range, I've increased my fluid intake, which sometimes keeps hematocrit levels down. We'll see if it makes a difference when I next have labs done.

[Primemuscle]

  Im currently off my "TRT" of 250mg/week Test Cyp home/self injections.  It's more of an experiment to see how I feel and how my body reacts to going full natural. My question: IYO,  Should I even go off?  What's to gain? Or just stay on the low doses of Test forever like most TRT guys?   42 years old, 185, healthy.  My small gyno did go away so that's been a plus, lol.  Thanks! 

Some guys are more susceptible to developing gyno with or without TRT. I'm fortunate in that I am not one of them. Whether you stay on TRT forever or not depends on the reason you're on it and how your body reacts to it. Do you have a doctor or are you doing this on your own?

[Christo]

Everything we do, every choice we make, has it's pluses and minuses. It's up to each of us to stay informed and decide if the benefits outweigh the risks. Also, nothing is static. Assessments should be ongoing.

Since my hematocrit has started to climb, my doctor and I are being vigilant. Although it is still in the normal range, I've increased my fluid intake, which sometimes keeps hematocrit levels down. We'll see if it makes a difference when I next have labs done.

Maybe it is an option for you to donate a few times a year redbloodcells? It will keep you're hematocrit at certain level.

[Primemuscle]

Maybe it is an option for you to donate a few times a year redbloodcells? It will keep you're hematocrit at certain level.

Yes, donating blood is an excellent idea.

[jdooly]

Some guys are more susceptible to developing gyno with or without TRT. I'm fortunate in that I am not one of them. Whether you stay on TRT forever or not depends on the reason you're on it and how your body reacts to it. Do you have a doctor or are you doing this on your own?

To be honest, I'm mainly on it because of the gym, lol.  Looking a bit better running some Test, and feel better because I "look" a little bigger/better.  It's such a mind thing though.  And no, no doctor right now as I'm doing it myself.

[IroNat]

To be honest, I'm mainly on it because of the gym, lol.  Looking a bit better running some Test, and feel better because I "look" a little bigger/better.  It's such a mind thing though.  And no, no doctor right now as I'm doing it myself.

Yes, it's all in your head.

People, as a rule, are self-absorbed.  Nobody but you gives two sh*ts about you.

It's all for mirror gazing at yourself.

[jdooly]

Yes, it's all in your head.

People, as a rule, are self-absorbed.  Nobody but you gives two sh*ts about you.

It's all for mirror gazing at yourself.

I can't disagree, in my case.  Others have said TRT makes them really feel better though.  It is nice seeing the changes in the mirror though, lol.  damn bodybuilding, ha.   

[WalterWhite]

I can't disagree, in my case.  Others have said TRT makes them really feel better though.  It is nice seeing the changes in the mirror though, lol.  damn bodybuilding, ha.   

How do you feel off and did you do a PCT?

[Primemuscle]

Yes, it's all in your head.

People, as a rule, are self-absorbed.  Nobody but you gives two sh*ts about you.

It's all for mirror gazing at yourself.

Yup, that's what I do....gaze at myself in the mirror. 

[Blockhead]

I’m on TRT.  The way I run it is like this....
100mg of CYP every 5 days.
I always go 20 weeks ON and 6 weeks OFF.

I don’t *have to* take 6 weeks off as I’m on TRT but my Doc agrees with me it’s a good idea.
Never a reason to up the dosage as I give myself time to clean out, reboot etc.
Sometimes I take 8-10 weeks off.
If I do my doctor gives me Clomid.
100mg daily for 5 days then 50mg daily for 3 weeks.

I simply alter my training in that time. More machines. A little lighter. More reps. More angles. Different exercise selection.

Never have any issues. Still make gains. Dick works fine. Libido is there.
Had Gyno surgery so all I ever run is 300mg of DIM while On and two weeks off.

Strength is always there up until Week 4. Then I wing it. Light. Pump.
Libido drops a little but it’s fine I can survive two weeks.
Donate blood a few times. Good to go.

Then I’m back ON and feel great.  
Approach everything with strategy.

- Block!

[Christo]

I’m on TRT.  The way I run it is like this....
100mg of CYP every 5 days.
I always go 20 weeks ON and 6 weeks OFF.

I don’t *have to* take 6 weeks off as I’m on TRT but my Doc agrees with me it’s a good idea.
Never a reason to up the dosage as I give myself time to clean out, reboot etc.
Sometimes I take 8-10 weeks off.
If I do my doctor gives me Clomid.
100mg daily for 5 days then 50mg daily for 3 weeks.

I simply alter my training in that time. More machines. A little lighter. More reps. More angles. Different exercise selection.

Never have any issues. Still make gains. Dick works fine. Libido is there.
Had Gyno surgery so all I ever run is 300mg of DIM while On and two weeks off.

Strength is always there up until Week 4. Then I wing it. Light. Pump.
Libido drops a little but it’s fine I can survive two weeks.
Donate blood a few times. Good to go.

Then I’m back ON and feel great.  
Approach everything with strategy.

- Block!

What's your age?

[IroNat]

[Blockhead]

What's your age?

41.

I believe taking time off even on doctor prescribed TRT is wise.
20 week On, 6 weeks Off is a good schedule IMO.

Like I said just alter your training a little, donate blood a couple times and
just wing it.  It’s worth it.

Never a reason to need more or up the dosage.
Let your body physically heal from the injections.

Less is More. Think; Longterm > Right now.

- Block!

[WalterWhite]

I’m on TRT.  The way I run it is like this....
100mg of CYP every 5 days.
I always go 20 weeks ON and 6 weeks OFF.

I don’t *have to* take 6 weeks off as I’m on TRT but my Doc agrees with me it’s a good idea.
Never a reason to up the dosage as I give myself time to clean out, reboot etc.
Sometimes I take 8-10 weeks off.
If I do my doctor gives me Clomid.
100mg daily for 5 days then 50mg daily for 3 weeks.

I simply alter my training in that time. More machines. A little lighter. More reps. More angles. Different exercise selection.

Never have any issues. Still make gains. Dick works fine. Libido is there.
Had Gyno surgery so all I ever run is 300mg of DIM while On and two weeks off.

Strength is always there up until Week 4. Then I wing it. Light. Pump.
Libido drops a little but it’s fine I can survive two weeks.
Donate blood a few times. Good to go.

Then I’m back ON and feel great.  
Approach everything with strategy.

- Block!

Hey Block does your PCP do the prescribing etc?

Interesting approach. 

Less is more for sure.

[AbrahamG]

I’m on TRT.  The way I run it is like this....
100mg of CYP every 5 days.
I always go 20 weeks ON and 6 weeks OFF.

I don’t *have to* take 6 weeks off as I’m on TRT but my Doc agrees with me it’s a good idea.
Never a reason to up the dosage as I give myself time to clean out, reboot etc.
Sometimes I take 8-10 weeks off.
If I do my doctor gives me Clomid.
100mg daily for 5 days then 50mg daily for 3 weeks.

I simply alter my training in that time. More machines. A little lighter. More reps. More angles. Different exercise selection.

Never have any issues. Still make gains. Dick works fine. Libido is there.
Had Gyno surgery so all I ever run is 300mg of DIM while On and two weeks off.

Strength is always there up until Week 4. Then I wing it. Light. Pump.
Libido drops a little but it’s fine I can survive two weeks.
Donate blood a few times. Good to go.

Then I’m back ON and feel great.  
Approach everything with strategy.

- Block!

I am intrigued by this. So, is it 20 weeks of injections followed by 2 weeks off before starting clomid? (To let the esters clear?)
Then 4 weeks of clomid?
Then right back on the test? Or then the time off? Or do you consider clomid the time off?

[Blockhead]

Okay.

So I’ll break down what I do more clearly....
Test CYP:  100mg every 5 days for 20 weeks.

After 20 weeks I like to take 6 weeks OFF.
Reason: To reboot. Clean out. Receptor management.

In that 6 weeks OFF usually I come off clean. Or...
I ask my doctor for Clomid.  He writes it...
100mg for 5 days and then 50mg 2.5 weeks.

In that time OFF I feel okay. First 3 weeks I feel the same. Boners,
texting hoes trynna turn them out. Still strong in the gym.

Week 4 is when I notice a slight drop in strength. I also notice I’m not
quick to text bitches and try to get them to come over. Meh!
At that point in the gym I use angles, more machines and higher reps.
Slightly weaker.  Instead of using 315 on the incline press for 8 now I’m using
275 for 8.  Now I employ drop sets etc...

Week 5 and 6 the same. Week 6 I’m a little lethargic. Telling chicks I’m busy at work
or working late. I’ll crank one out if anything to make sure I work. I do. Just need more
“warm up”.
I’m 41.

Also in that time I donate blood at least 3 times. Get my iron levels to 15.0

*Note:  While ON...
My only estrogen management is 300mg of DIM daily.
I use it all 20 weeks and up to 2 weeks into my OFF time.
DIM makes my pee turn weird colors but it seems to help keep my skin clear.

Remember; On doctor prescribed TRT one doesn’t have to take time off.
I elect to because I’m smart and know the importance of receptor management.
My doctor agrees and approves, too.
Less is more. Slow and steady wins the race.

- Block!

[Primemuscle]

Okay.

So I’ll break down what I do more clearly....
Test CYP:  100mg every 5 days for 20 weeks.

After 20 weeks I like to take 6 weeks OFF.
Reason: To reboot. Clean out. Receptor management.

In that 6 weeks OFF usually I come off clean. Or...
I ask my doctor for Clomid.  He writes it...
100mg for 5 days and then 50mg 2.5 weeks.

In that time OFF I feel okay. First 3 weeks I feel the same. Boners,
texting hoes trynna turn them out. Still strong in the gym.

Week 4 is when I notice a slight drop in strength. I also notice I’m not
quick to text bitches and try to get them to come over. Meh!
At that point in the gym I use angles, more machines and higher reps.
Slightly weaker.  Instead of using 315 on the incline press for 8 now I’m using
275 for 8.  Now I employ drop sets etc...

Week 5 and 6 the same. Week 6 I’m a little lethargic. Telling chicks I’m busy at work
or working late. I’ll crank one out if anything to make sure I work. I do. Just need more
“warm up”.
I’m 41.

Also in that time I donate blood at least 3 times. Get my iron levels to 15.0

*Note:  While ON...
My only estrogen management is 300mg of DIM daily.
I use it all 20 weeks and up to 2 weeks into my OFF time.
DIM makes my pee turn weird colors but it seems to help keep my skin clear.

Remember; On doctor prescribed TRT one doesn’t have to take time off.
I elect to because I’m smart and know the importance of receptor management.
My doctor agrees and approves, too.
Less is more. Slow and steady wins the race.

- Block!

Why are you on TRT? Do you have low testosterone without it?

[Blockhead]

Yep.

Low T.   Years of running cycles. Being 40 + now. Life.


- Block!

[Christo]

41.

I believe taking time off even on doctor prescribed TRT is wise.
20 week On, 6 weeks Off is a good schedule IMO.

Like I said just alter your training a little, donate blood a couple times and
just wing it.  It’s worth it.

Never a reason to need more or up the dosage.
Let your body physically heal from the injections.



Less is More. Think; Longterm > Right now.

- Block!

How many years you are following mentioned protocol?

What my biggest doubt and question is is how are the results and the effects on somebody body after using TRT for many years.
I have never read it. curiously?

[jdooly]

How do you feel off and did you do a PCT?

honestly I feel exactly the same.  No worse, no better. Keep in mind it's only been 4 weeks since my last shot.   And yes I did run a Nolva/Clomid Peptide PCT. 

[jdooly]

I’m on TRT.  The way I run it is like this....
100mg of CYP every 5 days.
I always go 20 weeks ON and 6 weeks OFF.

I don’t *have to* take 6 weeks off as I’m on TRT but my Doc agrees with me it’s a good idea.
Never a reason to up the dosage as I give myself time to clean out, reboot etc.
Sometimes I take 8-10 weeks off.
If I do my doctor gives me Clomid.
100mg daily for 5 days then 50mg daily for 3 weeks.

I simply alter my training in that time. More machines. A little lighter. More reps. More angles. Different exercise selection.

Never have any issues. Still make gains. Dick works fine. Libido is there.
Had Gyno surgery so all I ever run is 300mg of DIM while On and two weeks off.

Strength is always there up until Week 4. Then I wing it. Light. Pump.
Libido drops a little but it’s fine I can survive two weeks.
Donate blood a few times. Good to go.

Then I’m back ON and feel great.  
Approach everything with strategy.

- Block!

Awesome you're getting gains from such low doses.  And thanks for your input.

[Blockhead]

My doctor writes me for Test CYP (consistently) and Clomiphene (as needed).

This is 100mg every 5 days:  Ol’ Block at Chicago ComicCon.

I don’t bother dieting. Nor do I do cardio. I like being gnarly.

- Block!