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Title: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 08, 2012, 10:25:40 PM
http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-editorial-if-top-5-paid-40-of-taxes-what-is-their-fair-share/article/2513985

Top 5% paid 40% of federal taxes while only responsible for 26% of income

how can any idiot use the term "fairness" when talking about how much these ppl pay in taxes?

You ppl need to wise up and stop buying into the propaganda thats being put out.

This isnt a rich vs. poor thing, this is a citizen vs. govt thing.

The govt is overspending and eventually taxes on everyone are going to have to be raised to pay for it. Only a moron buys in the idea that taxing the rich is going to help this situation.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: AbrahamG on December 09, 2012, 01:50:07 AM
http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-editorial-if-top-5-paid-40-of-taxes-what-is-their-fair-share/article/2513985

Top 5% paid 40% of federal taxes while only responsible for 26% of income

how can any idiot use the term "fairness" when talking about how much these ppl pay in taxes?

You ppl need to wise up and stop buying into the propaganda thats being put out.

This isnt a rich vs. poor thing, this is a citizen vs. govt thing.

The govt is overspending and eventually taxes on everyone are going to have to be raised to pay for it. Only a moron buys in the idea that taxing the rich is going to help this situation.

Big Fat Fail
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tbombz on December 09, 2012, 02:32:19 AM
the three main expenditures are healthcare, retirement, and military.  There's a whole lot of populist passion behind keeping these three fully funded and adjusted for inflation.  The only way not to bankrupt the country is to get more taxes. 
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: avxo on December 09, 2012, 02:46:14 AM
http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-editorial-if-top-5-paid-40-of-taxes-what-is-their-fair-share/article/2513985

Top 5% paid 40% of federal taxes while only responsible for 26% of income

how can any idiot use the term "fairness" when talking about how much these ppl pay in taxes?

You ppl need to wise up and stop buying into the propaganda thats being put out.

This isnt a rich vs. poor thing, this is a citizen vs. govt thing.

The govt is overspending and eventually taxes on everyone are going to have to be raised to pay for it. Only a moron buys in the idea that taxing the rich is going to help this situation.

Hey! What gives? I thought you said that the "top 1% paid 90+%" in another thread... What gives?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 04:31:30 AM
http://washingtonexaminer.com/examiner-editorial-if-top-5-paid-40-of-taxes-what-is-their-fair-share/article/2513985

Top 5% paid 40% of federal taxes while only responsible for 26% of income

how can any idiot use the term "fairness" when talking about how much these ppl pay in taxes?

You ppl need to wise up and stop buying into the propaganda thats being put out.

This isnt a rich vs. poor thing, this is a citizen vs. govt thing.

The govt is overspending and eventually taxes on everyone are going to have to be raised to pay for it. Only a moron buys in the idea that taxing the rich is going to help this situation.

They pay way to little then.

The top 1 % sits on 40% of the wealth and yet 5% only pays 40% of the federal taxes.

Add that to tax breaks, loop holes etc and its clear the country is being screwed.

How can you defend this Tony?
And how can you defend defending the rich when there is people who could need your help left suffering?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 04:32:45 AM
Hey! What gives? I thought you said that the "top 1% paid 90+%" in another thread... What gives?

 :D

You are starting to become my favorite poster axvo.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: outby43 on December 09, 2012, 04:47:26 AM
We need a flat tax.  Those that do not work, but are able to, will be put to work in sweat shops to at least work off their tax debt.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 06:59:44 AM
Hey! What gives? I thought you said that the "top 1% paid 90+%" in another thread... What gives?
I said that of income tax, this is all federal taxes...try and keep up!!!
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 07:01:59 AM
They pay way to little then.

The top 1 % sits on 40% of the wealth and yet 5% only pays 40% of the federal taxes.

Add that to tax breaks, loop holes etc and its clear the country is being screwed.

How can you defend this Tony?
And how can you defend defending the rich when there is people who could need your help left suffering?
please cite your sources, you dont have any credibility here...

Everyone can take advantage of tax breaks...

Im not defending the rich, Im defending anybody being able to keep more of their hard earned money away from a wasteful and inefficient govt.

why do you side with the govt over private citizens?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 07:26:59 AM
please cite your sources, you dont have any credibility here...

Everyone can take advantage of tax breaks...

Im not defending the rich, Im defending anybody being able to keep more of their hard earned money away from a wasteful and inefficient govt.

why do you side with the govt over private citizens?

My source is the info YOU posted.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 07:45:16 AM
My source is the info YOU posted.
my link doesnt say anything about the amount of wealth they have, so again cite your source...you have absolutely no credibility here and this is a prime example of why
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 08:22:16 AM
my link doesnt say anything about the amount of wealth they have, so again cite your source...you have absolutely no credibility here and this is a prime example of why

Lol then you look like a fool now Tony

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States

The top 20% own 80% of the wealth, they dont need anybody to talk their case, the fact you do it is pathetic.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: WOOO on December 09, 2012, 08:24:10 AM
We need a flat tax.  Those that do not work, but are able to, will be put to work in sweat shops to at least work off their tax debt.

fascist
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 08:25:45 AM
Lol then you look like a fool now Tony

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States

The top 20% own 80% of the wealth, they dont need anybody to talk their case, the fact you do it is pathetic.
LOL your assertion was the top 1% own 40% and then you post this and Im the fool?

this is why you have no credibility here.

Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: WOOO on December 09, 2012, 08:29:59 AM
i would assume that the very rich as PATRIOTS and must love their country MORE than poorer american'ts...

they must feel GOOD about giving back to the country that made them rich...

if not, then I say freeze all of their assets and export them to russia..

you american'ts are a funny selfish and contradictory bunch

fun to watch from up here
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: avxo on December 09, 2012, 08:34:54 AM
I said that of income tax, this is all federal taxes...try and keep up!!!

I see... Well, it was early in the A.M. and i was sleepy. But now, fresh from a good night's sleep, I'm ready to tango!

Even if your other claim focused only on income taxes, this article says: “As matters stand, the top 1 percent of American households paid 39 percent of income taxes in 2009, according to the most recent data compiled by the Congressional Budget Office, and the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid 64 percent.”

Now, I'm no mathematician (well, actually, I am but that doesn't matter) but it seems to me that 39% is not 90+%...

This only goes to prove my more general point: that you shouldn't post stuff you've heard without fact-checking, because it causes you to lose credibility when someone proves what you say is flat-out wrong.


Im not defending the rich, Im defending anybody being able to keep more of their hard earned money away from a wasteful and inefficient govt.

And that's fine; great as a matter of fact! You and I are on the same side of that debate. So please, let's argue for it rationally and let's not shoot ourselves in the foot by making bogus claims.

You are starting to become my favorite poster axvo.

Awesome, I guess. And a bit perplexing, considering the fact that we seem to be on opposite sides of the political spectrum. You see, I support what tonymctones says in principle, while you seem to against that.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on December 09, 2012, 08:36:08 AM
based on salary, i work from january to april for uncle sam - that's very motivating.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: avxo on December 09, 2012, 08:41:34 AM
based on salary, i work from january to april for uncle sam - that's very motivating.

I always thought statements like that are a lot more effective than "x% paid y%". It's amazing that anyone ought to be forced to work for someone else for a full quarter of a year, year in and year out.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: WOOO on December 09, 2012, 08:46:14 AM
as a canadian i work for the government until about august...

as a patriot i find that rewarding
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: avxo on December 09, 2012, 08:54:29 AM
as a canadian i work for the government until about august...

As a human being, I find the fact that you are a slave to your government outrageous.


as a patriot i find that rewarding

They have you well trained, don't they?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 09:01:37 AM
LOL your assertion was the top 1% own 40% and then you post this and Im the fool?

this is why you have no credibility here.



Read the fucking article Tony this is getting tiring.

You can read right?

The top 1% sit on 34% of the wealth.

The next 4 % sit on 27,3%.


You want to cut thing for the 40% who sit on 0,2 of the wealth.



Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 09:05:12 AM
I see... Well, it was early in the A.M. and i was sleepy. But now, fresh from a good night's sleep, I'm ready to tango!

Even if your other claim focused only on income taxes, this article says: “As matters stand, the top 1 percent of American households paid 39 percent of income taxes in 2009, according to the most recent data compiled by the Congressional Budget Office, and the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid 64 percent.”

Now, I'm no mathematician (well, actually, I am but that doesn't matter) but it seems to me that 39% is not 90+%...

This only goes to prove my more general point: that you shouldn't post stuff you've heard without fact-checking, because it causes you to lose credibility when someone proves what you say is flat-out wrong.


And that's fine; great as a matter of fact! You and I are on the same side of that debate. So please, let's argue for it rationally and let's not shoot ourselves in the foot by making bogus claims.

Awesome, I guess. And a bit perplexing, considering the fact that we seem to be on opposite sides of the political spectrum. You see, I support what tonymctones says in principle, while you seem to against that.

I dont care if we agree or not i like that you call people out when their facts is wrong.

Im not here to indulge my ego and be confirmed im here to debate and hopefully get some knowledge.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 09:21:39 AM
I see... Well, it was early in the A.M. and i was sleepy. But now, fresh from a good night's sleep, I'm ready to tango!

Even if your other claim focused only on income taxes, this article says: “As matters stand, the top 1 percent of American households paid 39 percent of income taxes in 2009, according to the most recent data compiled by the Congressional Budget Office, and the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid 64 percent.”

Now, I'm no mathematician (well, actually, I am but that doesn't matter) but it seems to me that 39% is not 90+%...

This only goes to prove my more general point: that you shouldn't post stuff you've heard without fact-checking, because it causes you to lose credibility when someone proves what you say is flat-out wrong.


And that's fine; great as a matter of fact! You and I are on the same side of that debate. So please, let's argue for it rationally and let's not shoot ourselves in the foot by making bogus claims.

Awesome, I guess. And a bit perplexing, considering the fact that we seem to be on opposite sides of the political spectrum. You see, I support what tonymctones says in principle, while you seem to against that.
touche sir, perhaps it was the top 10%...not quite sure
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 09:23:00 AM
Read the fucking article Tony this is getting tiring.

You can read right?

The top 1% sit on 34% of the wealth.

The next 4 % sit on 27,3%.


You want to cut thing for the 40% who sit on 0,2 of the wealth.
no where in the article I posted that you said you were citing does it say anything of the sort.

this is why you have no credibility, that and b/c you use wikipedia for sources LMFAO

Please quote the sentence from the article I posted that supports your argument.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 09:27:17 AM
Read the fucking article Tony this is getting tiring.

You can read right?

The top 1% sit on 34% of the wealth.

The next 4 % sit on 27,3%.


You want to cut thing for the 40% who sit on 0,2 of the wealth.
here another question whork, why do you feel its ok to tax money that has already been taxed the year before?

the amount of wealth they have in terms of taxes that should be paid are not related. Taxes are based on the amount of money you make and seeing as they pay nearly twice as much per the total household income, why do you think they need to pay more?

you do know that spending cuts are much more effective at cutting the debt then tax increases right?

this is basic shit, why do you continue to support a wasteful and inefficient govt and demand that others give more of their hard earned money away?

you side with the govt over private citizens.....
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 10:21:10 AM
no where in the article I posted that you said you were citing does it say anything of the sort.

this is why you have no credibility, that and b/c you use wikipedia for sources LMFAO

Please quote the sentence from the article I posted that supports your argument.

You post from conservative media outlets and shit on wikipedia?

Lol :D
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 09, 2012, 10:22:56 AM
You post from conservative media outlets and shit on wikipedia?

Lol :D

Where is O-Welfare's plan to balance the books? 
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 10:26:35 AM
here another question whork, why do you feel its ok to tax money that has already been taxed the year before?

the amount of wealth they have in terms of taxes that should be paid are not related. Taxes are based on the amount of money you make and seeing as they pay nearly twice as much per the total household income, why do you think they need to pay more?

you do know that spending cuts are much more effective at cutting the debt then tax increases right?

this is basic shit, why do you continue to support a wasteful and inefficient govt and demand that others give more of their hard earned money away?

you side with the govt over private citizens.....

Its not one or the other its both.

I dont side with the government you do. Government is owned by money aka the top %. You know the people you devote time in your life to defend although they dont need it.

You think poor people have much lobbying/influence on politics?

But we need cuts to the military but we cant cut from people who doesnt have shit(welfare).

We need cuts to military, entitlements, close loopholes and raise taxes on the top%.

Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 10:46:54 AM
You post from conservative media outlets and shit on wikipedia?

Lol :D
hahah yes I do b/c you know that wikipedia is just ppl posting shit on their website right?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 10:48:36 AM
Its not one or the other its both.

I dont side with the government you do. Government is owned by money aka the top %. You know the people you devote time in your life to defend although they dont need it.

You think poor people have much lobbying/influence on politics?

But we need cuts to the military but we cant cut from people who doesnt have shit(welfare).

We need cuts to military, entitlements, close loopholes and raise taxes on the top%.
Agreed, so why do you spend all your time ranting and raving about taxes on the "rich"

spending cuts are much more effective at cutting debt then tax hikes, so why not make that the primary source of our debt reduction?

After all, how is it "fair" to demand more taxes on other ppl while the govt continues to waste money?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 11:47:22 AM
Agreed, so why do you spend all your time ranting and raving about taxes on the "rich"

spending cuts are much more effective at cutting debt then tax hikes, so why not make that the primary source of our debt reduction?

After all, how is it "fair" to demand more taxes on other ppl while the govt continues to waste money?

Spending cuts also hurt the poor and the military.
Tax hikes on the uberwealthy doesnt hurt anyone.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 11:50:04 AM
hahah yes I do b/c you know that wikipedia is just ppl posting shit on their website right?

With wiki there is a chance its BS

With conservative media you KNOW its BS

But here is another link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/households-wealth-american-1-percent_n_1687015.html

Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 11:51:37 AM
Spending cuts also hurt the poor and the military.
Tax hikes on the uberwealthy doesnt hurt anyone.
LMFAO are you trying to tell us that the govt is run so efficiently and with so little waste that nothing can be cut without having an effect on the services it provides?

Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 11:52:45 AM
With wiki there is a chance its BS

With conservative media you KNOW its BS

But here is another link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/19/households-wealth-american-1-percent_n_1687015.html
so you chastise me for posting links from "conservative" media b/c they are untrustworthy then turn around and post a link from hufpo?

hahaha this is exactly why you have no credibility here....
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 11:56:46 AM
so you chastise me for posting links from "conservative" media b/c they are untrustworthy then turn around and post a link from hufpo?

hahaha this is exactly why you have no credibility here....

Actually it was you who was on my ass because i posted from wiki.

Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 11:57:34 AM
LMFAO are you trying to tell us that the govt is run so efficiently and with so little waste that nothing can be cut without having an effect on the services it provides?
Please answer the question whork....
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 12:11:40 PM
Please answer the question whork....

What will you cut?

They could lay of the entire DEA that would save some bucks.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 12:14:22 PM
What will you cut?

They could lay of the entire DEA that would save some bucks.
again 10% off the top of every programs operating expenses....

now answer teh question please.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: War-Horse on December 09, 2012, 12:22:56 PM
We're waiting for specifics on the gop plan to reduce spending.....all of america is waiting. And when they lay it out there wont be a single republican in 2014.  People hate the vagueness of the gop, they always say "Trust us"......No one does anymore.

Lets cut military spending.
Lets cut corporate subsidies (welfare)
Lets cut waste from medicare......(Obamas plan reduces waste like double billing by 716 billion over 10 yrs)

You cant steal from the handicapped and elderly anymore GOP....they dont have it. plain and simple.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 12:23:57 PM
again 10% off the top of every programs operating expenses....

now answer teh question please.

There is waste in the government.

Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 12:28:43 PM
We're waiting for specifics on the gop plan to reduce spending.....all of america is waiting. And when they lay it out there wont be a single republican in 2014.  People hate the vagueness of the gop, they always say "Trust us"......No one does anymore.

Lets cut military spending.
Lets cut corporate subsidies (welfare)
Lets cut waste from medicare......(Obamas plan reduces waste like double billing by 716 billion over 10 yrs)

You cant steal from the handicapped and elderly anymore GOP....they dont have it. plain and simple.
what is the deficit reduction plan of the dems again?

you do know we cant tax our way out of this right?

what spending cuts have they proposed?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 12:29:24 PM
There is waste in the government.


so why not cut that first seeing as it has a much bigger effect on the debt reduction than raising taxes?

Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 12:38:31 PM
so why not cut that first seeing as it has a much bigger effect on the debt reduction than raising taxes?



Because its impossible to completely fix this.

Even in a private company there is waste.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: War-Horse on December 09, 2012, 12:39:09 PM
so why not cut that first seeing as it has a much bigger effect on the debt reduction than raising taxes?




America has agreed that re-storing tax rates for the rich are to be done first.  Widdling down debt in a fed agency will happen...but i hope your smart enough to see its going to take legislation, meetings and other shit the gop love to drag their feet on..........can you see this...or do i give you to much credit?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 12:40:30 PM
Because its impossible to completely fix this.

Even in a private company there is waste.
agreed, so you think there is so little waste in the govt that its somewhat pointless to try and address it?

Im just trying to understand your view on the waste that govt has whork, do you think its alot or a little?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 12:42:14 PM

America has agreed that re-storing tax rates for the rich are to be done first.  Widdling down debt in a fed agency will happen...but i hope your smart enough to see its going to take legislation, meetings and other shit the gop love to drag their feet on..........can you see this...or do i give you to much credit?
LOL how has America agreed to it?

The GOP is open to compromise right now, why not do it now?

is now to soon for the dems? why do they drag their feet on spending cuts?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 12:42:51 PM
agreed, so you think there is so little waste in the govt that its somewhat pointless to try and address it?

Im just trying to understand your view on the waste that govt has whork, do you think its alot or a little?

Of course it should be addressed.

The system needs a giant overhaul.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 12:43:46 PM
Of course it should be addressed.

The system needs a giant overhaul.
agreed so why not address it now along with tax hikes like the GOP wants to do?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 09, 2012, 12:45:05 PM
i would assume that the very rich as PATRIOTS and must love their country MORE than poorer american'ts...

they must feel GOOD about giving back to the country that made them rich...

if not, then I say freeze all of their assets and export them to russia..

you american'ts are a funny selfish and contradictory bunch

fun to watch from up here

Hahahaha, the backward thinking of a liberal. Let me ask you, can you make it in life without your government tagging a long?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: War-Horse on December 09, 2012, 12:49:46 PM
LOL how has America agreed to it?

The GOP is open to compromise right now, why not do it now?

is now to soon for the dems? why do they drag their feet on spending cuts?


Obama ran on restoring tax rates for the rich. And he got elected. Consider it done.

Next. Where are the specifics for boehners 800 billion dollar revenue raise?  Is SS in there....is mortgage deduction in there....how about eic???  Blind bluffing as usual.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 12:51:05 PM
agreed so why not address it now along with tax hikes like the GOP wants to do?

Because the things the GOP wants to cut is programs that benefit those who doesn't have shit to begin with.
There is no cutting the military for instance.

And the Dem proposal includes cuts to entitlements.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 12:53:34 PM

Obama ran on restoring tax rates for the rich. And he got elected. Consider it done.

Next. Where are the specifics for boehners 800 billion dollar revenue raise?  Is SS in there....is mortgage deduction in there....how about eic???  Blind bluffing as usual.
hahaha and the reps in the house ran on not raising taxes and cutting spending and they won, how does that factor into your analysis?

next where are the spending cuts obama ran on? does it include medicare, medicade, how he will pay for obamacare? political posturing as usual...

::)

quit siding with big govt and stick up for the private citizens b/c after the bloated govt gets what it can from the "rich" youre next brainchild...
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 12:55:54 PM
Because the things the GOP wants to cut is programs that benefit those who doesn't have shit to begin with.
There is no cutting the military for instance.

And the Dem proposal includes cuts to entitlements.
If the dems plan includes cuts to entitlements then they are cutting programs that "help ppl who dont have shit"

what cuts to entitlements does the dems plan include?

please show me whork, again you have no credibility here buddy.

by the way most of the GOP wants to reform entitlements for ppl that arent even eligible for the programs right now, how is that cutting benefits for ppl who dont have shit?

again you really need to educate yourself bro.....
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 12:57:26 PM
hahaha and the reps in the house ran on not raising taxes and cutting spending and they won, how does that factor into your analysis?

next where are the spending cuts obama ran on? does it include medicare, medicade, how he will pay for obamacare? political posturing as usual...

::)

quit siding with big govt and stick up for the private citizens b/c after the bloated govt gets what it can from the "rich" youre next brainchild...

Obama just won an election if you havent noticed. He ran on higher taxes for the rich.

Try again.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 09, 2012, 01:01:38 PM
If the dems plan includes cuts to entitlements then they are cutting programs that "help ppl who dont have shit"

what cuts to entitlements does the dems plan include?

please show me whork, again you have no credibility here buddy.

by the way most of the GOP wants to reform entitlements for ppl that arent even eligible for the programs right now, how is that cutting benefits for ppl who dont have shit?

again you really need to educate yourself bro.....

Tony i have postedlinks to support my statements i suggest you do the same instead of talking out of your ass.
How do you reform entitlements for people who arent eligible?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 01:03:43 PM
Obama just won an election if you havent noticed. He ran on higher taxes for the rich.

Try again.
Reps won their elections in the House too if you havent noticed running on the complete opposite....

where does that fit into your analysis?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 01:04:49 PM
Tony i have postedlinks to support my statements i suggest you do the same instead of talking out of your ass.
How do you reform entitlements for people who arent eligible?
LOL Holy crap dude seriously?

The same way you raise taxes for only the rich....

you create legisltion that doesnt effect ppl currently receiving benefits by using age limits etc...

how do you have the ability to vote LMFAO?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 09, 2012, 01:05:19 PM
Obama just won an election if you havent noticed. He ran on higher taxes for the rich.

Try again.

Because like you, the voters he targeted fell for it because they don't get it. If they get wealthy on their own they sure as hell wouldn't want their hard earned money CONFISCATED by the government. Some people are easily brainwashed.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: War-Horse on December 09, 2012, 01:09:15 PM
I can see why the GOP is dying. Focus on the negative. Hate the middle class. Hate anyone different.  Cant wait for 2014......gonna be some suicides on this board..LMAO
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 01:12:48 PM
I can see why the GOP is dying. Focus on the negative. Hate the middle class. Hate anyone different.  Cant wait for 2014......gonna be some suicides on this board..LMAO
LOL just like 2010 eh?

against illegal immigration = hates immigrants
dont want new taxes = hates poor ppl
wants ppl to keep more of their own money = hates poor ppl

only in the mind of a propaganda riddled mind of a liberal does this make sense.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 01:21:34 PM

hahah 2014 will indeed be a fun time around here.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 09, 2012, 01:28:14 PM
LOL just like 2010 eh?

against illegal immigration = hates immigrants
dont want new taxes = hates poor ppl
wants ppl to keep more of their own money = hates poor ppl

only in the mind of a propaganda riddled mind of a liberal does this make sense.

Don't forget racist, we're racist as well. Even more racist than the left. lol
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 09, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
i would assume that the very rich as PATRIOTS and must love their country MORE than poorer american'ts...

they must feel GOOD about giving back to the country that made them rich...


if not, then I say freeze all of their assets and export them to russia..

you american'ts are a funny selfish and contradictory bunch

fun to watch from up here

I think this is where most of us are divided.  Some see it as giving back to their country, while the rest of us see it for what it really is.  Squandering money for foolish politicians to waste.  We need a federal government that's about 10% of its current size.  That's not going to happen by feeding it trillions of dollars.

Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: tonymctones on December 09, 2012, 01:33:25 PM
I think this is where most of us are divided.  Some see it as giving back to their country, while the rest of us see it for what it really is.  Squandering money for foolish politicians to waste.  We need a federal government that's about 10% of its current size.  That's not going to happen by feeding it trillions of dollars.
exactly, some ppl seem to think we can spend our way out of debt
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 09, 2012, 01:37:26 PM
exactly, some ppl seem to think we can spend our way out of debt

Yeah, beyond national defense, some infrastructure, and courts we (decent people like you and I  8)) really don't need much Federal government.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Skip8282 on December 09, 2012, 06:15:27 PM
Because the things the GOP wants to cut is programs that benefit those who doesn't have shit to begin with.
There is no cutting the military for instance.

And the Dem proposal includes cuts to entitlements.



Yes there is.  The Ryan budget gives modest cuts...I believe around 60 billion. 

Problem is, he stuck in there repealing Obama care.

It's all back and forth shit.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: WOOO on December 09, 2012, 06:16:43 PM
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Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 10, 2012, 08:08:48 AM
LOL Holy crap dude seriously?

The same way you raise taxes for only the rich....

you create legisltion that doesnt effect ppl currently receiving benefits by using age limits etc...

how do you have the ability to vote LMFAO?

You attacked Obama for making cuts to future spending.

When you create legislation that effect people in the future what do you call that?
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Archer77 on December 10, 2012, 08:11:52 AM
But who pays a higher percentage of their income on taxes like the sales tax or gas tax.  6% on the dollar means a lot more to a person making fifty grand a year than it does to a millionaire.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: MCWAY on December 10, 2012, 08:24:36 AM
But who pays a higher percentage of their income on taxes like the sales tax or gas tax.  6% on the dollar means a lot more to a person making fifty grand a year than it does to a millionaire.

EXACTLY!! And when you raise taxes on millionaires, guess how they recoup their money.....BY RAISING TAXES like the gas tax, as well as prices on goods and services.

And, when the government doesn't get enough from the millionaires, guess whose pockets they'll be raiding next.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 10, 2012, 08:28:52 AM
EXACTLY!! And when you raise taxes on millionaires, guess how they recoup their money.....BY RAISING TAXES like the gas tax, as well as prices on goods and services.

And, when the government doesn't get enough from the millionaires, guess whose pockets they'll be raiding next.

Without cutting spending for real, raising taxes is just a punitive measure by the vandals and criminal liberals to piss away more $$$$ on ball washing programs, pet mice farms, etc. 

 
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: blacken700 on December 10, 2012, 08:30:26 AM
don't know why all the post on this topic,the rate is going up on the 1% no matter how much you cry about it
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: MCWAY on December 10, 2012, 08:32:32 AM
don't know why all the post on this topic,the rate is going up on the 1% no matter how much you cry about it

It's going up on ALL of us....That's why.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 10, 2012, 08:33:47 AM
don't know why all the post on this topic,the rate is going up on the 1% no matter how much you cry about it

And to do what w the $$$$$ exactly?  More food stamps, welfare, pot coke and booze in the WH, etc. 
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 10, 2012, 08:43:05 AM
EXACTLY!! And when you raise taxes on millionaires, guess how they recoup their money.....BY RAISING TAXES like the gas tax, as well as prices on goods and services.

And, when the government doesn't get enough from the millionaires, guess whose pockets they'll be raiding next.

Lol i see you have studied economy Mcway ::)
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: MCWAY on December 10, 2012, 08:49:03 AM
Lol i see you have studied economy Mcway ::)

I've seen how Obama's economic policies worked.  ::)

Keep thinking that only those mean ol' rich people are going to get their pockets picked.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: blacken700 on December 10, 2012, 08:52:08 AM
i'm going to stick up for the rich because some day i'm going to be rich just like them  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 10, 2012, 08:53:37 AM
i'm going to stick up for the rich because some day i'm going to be rich just like them  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

How does you and Tribal Sultan O-TWINK stealing my clients' money benefit me? 
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Archer77 on December 10, 2012, 08:53:53 AM
Lol i see you have studied economy Mcway ::)

Here's the thing.  Republicans have wanted to abolish the income taxe for ages and replace the lost revenue by increasing the sales tax up to 25% on the dollar.  This approach would kill the economy and punish the poor and middle class.  They don't talk about this much but this is what they would love to do.  

And when they talk about closing loopholes they arent just referring to corporate loopholes, they also mean the kind of loopholes that let you right off your home and children. At the end of the day they want to shift the tax burden to the middle class.  
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: Irongrip400 on December 10, 2012, 11:27:42 AM
We need a flat tax.  Those that do not work, but are able to, will be put to work in sweat shops to at least work off their tax debt.

Exactly.  I am for this.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: whork on December 10, 2012, 01:19:43 PM
I've seen how Obama's economic policies worked.  ::)

Keep thinking that only those mean ol' rich people are going to get their pockets picked.

Here we agree they have many ways to avoid this.
Title: Re: Top 1% earned 13.4% of household income, Paid 22% of all federal taxes...FAIR?
Post by: bears on December 11, 2012, 02:49:24 PM
this is all smoke and mirror shit for the weak minded voters.  the top 20-25% pay 85-95% of all income tax revenue.  period.  that is what you call a progressive tax system.  what the liberal media wants us to do is to sit here and fight about the 1% so that we miss the big picture that the rich and uppermiddle class pay the majority of the income tax revenue.

the only people that have a legitimate beef with the 1% are the top 20%.  everyone else.....shut the fuck up.