500mg vs 300mg of test enanthate - how significant would this be?

[anabolichalo]

theoretically

[Earl1972]

i too am interested in the difference

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[Danny-Boy]

Could mean your genetic predisposition of developing a nice pair of bitch tits or not.....

[gym**rat]

If you are talking 500 per week then little difference. If you mean 500 2x a week you will see some differences. I just went from my usually 250 2x a week HRT does to 600 2x a week. I could tell a difference definitely.

[monstermunch]

If you are talking 500 per week then little difference. If you mean 500 2x a week you will see some differences. I just went from my usually 250 2x a week HRT does to 600 2x a week. I could tell a difference definitely.

Difference in what, I've never gone above 500mg a week - that's assuming it wasn't bunk, was my first dabble 

[Psychopath]

The difference may be minor in the short-term, but significant in the long-term.

[Wiggs]

200mgs more of significance.

[Disgusted]

You guys need to check the ester weight first to see the real difference. I used to know but forgot.

[Mawse]

Keep test at 250 and add some winny, var, deca, tren, anything but not more test. IMO of course

[powerliftanything]

anything less than a gram and your just pussyfooting around.  PCT is not needed either if you decide to come off it just hinders your bodies natural level from coming back sooner.

[Nicademus]

yeah this is ok i think.

while this:
i agree on pct.

but how do you control water on more than a gramm?

and uhm, health con cocerns?what puropse to run such doses for long time?

ok your name says powerlifter, so i assume youre just a fatso who wants be "strong", theres no arguing with those

As one that holds water w/ test.  Ive found that using arimidex on cycle keeps the bloat in check.  Running arim isn't for everyone but it has really worked for me.

[powerliftanything]

yeah this is ok i think.

while this:
i agree on pct.

but how do you control water on more than a gramm?

and uhm, health con cocerns?what puropse to run such doses for long time?

ok your name says powerlifter, so i assume youre just a fatso who wants be "strong", theres no arguing with those

you can control it with diet a bit, everyone holds diff amount of water too.  a gram long term for 10 years most doctors will tell you it will have minimal long term sides considering you keep a good diet while on low salt low caffeine and keep your blood pressure controlled with medicine.  10 years plus @ a gram and long term sides will come into play more.  that is assuming your using only testosterone.

[anabolichalo]

galeniko u recommend i stay on 300mg?

my new gear is 250/ml

so then i would reduce 50mg if i stay on 1ml?

i want to get real thick and powerful lookig


so natural black people will start doubting what is the deal with white genetic

(no racist)r (my sentiments truly indeed)

[dj181]

well dude

if your of italian or german heritage then you got pretty good white genetics

[ESFitness]

you can control it with diet a bit, everyone holds diff amount of water too.  a gram long term for 10 years most doctors will tell you it will have minimal long term sides considering you keep a good diet while on low salt low caffeine and keep your blood pressure controlled with medicine.  10 years plus @ a gram and long term sides will come into play more.  that is assuming your using only testosterone.

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[ESFitness]

theoretically

well... without doing an excel spreadsheet to figure out when the saturation point would happen with those doses (the point when you're putting in the same about that is falling off from half-lifes every week), you could just run 6 weeks of each dose and drop $30 and order a testosterone test online ($30 twice). and compare the results.... but that won't tell you anything you won't already know.

more is better.

300 is 60% of 500mg. that extra 40% is important.

like comparing 600mg to 1,000mg, or 1,200mg to 2,000mg.

so instead of getting 8 weeks out of your bottle, you're getting 5. if you pay 40 a bottle, it's like paying $8/wk vs $5/wk. you WOULD pay an extra $12/month for better gains, better training, better sex, and better confidence, RIGHT?

[Christo]

yes when you come off , from 500, its plain and simple a crashing.

when you come off 250, its kinda smooth, look pretty mch same 2 months later.(feel much worse,but look is ok).

however theyre seems to be some weird benefit to high doses over extended times, later on when natural, or clean, itll be on clearly higher level than lifetime natural would have been possible.when im clean, i know thats whole different look than my true lifetime natural best, by footballfields,no less.
and later on most of those gains will be maintainable on a fraction of the gear, i mean much less than half.more than few ppl have reported or experienced this
yah, but from feeling itself, its quite the difference.

i remember a study, scientific and on people, where they measured "muscle" gains on various dodages, of that wasnt mpure muscle they didnt care about how much was water retention(but its excellent study to get idea what kind of water retention to expect), and 500 did quite literally grant double the gains that 250 would.

however,after that, they had to go to 1gramm weekly to double the gins again.
this is about consistent on real life experiences.

too bad they didnt do much more studies on humans, i could only find test and winstrol, haha btw theose winstrol studies had me decide to never even look at that stuf again

What about adding primobolan 200 mg together with 250 Test E?
Better lean mass, less gyno...less aromatisation?

[anabolichalo]

DP pm'd me the following study

[anabolichalo]

Interesting. Is this based on weekly dosages?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11701431

[ESFitness]

look, if someone wants to use gramm(s) year in year out, thats fine, but do not tell to ransdom kids that its safe, you clowns.

listen kids, 1 gramm weekly is far from safe, dont listen to any fatso who hasnt seen his abs in his life yet.

I seen my abs every day for a long time.

everything I say/recommend comes from personal experience. if I say the sides/risks from running 2g/wk or 3.5g/wk for a couple years are overblown(by guys who are only relaying what they read on the internet), it's because I did it.

[flinstones1]

look, if someone wants to use gramm(s) year in year out, thats fine, but do not tell to ransdom kids that its safe, you clowns.

listen kids, 1 gramm weekly is far from safe, dont listen to any fatso who hasnt seen his abs in his life yet.

word.  until he posts his pictures showing his monstrous physique, Im convinced he's the former gimmick aesthetics.

ESFITNESS CALLING YOU OUT BROTHER!

[ESFitness]

word.  until he posts his pictures showing his monstrous physique, Im convinced he's the former gimmick aesthetics.

ESFITNESS CALLING YOU OUT BROTHER!

calling me out? I was wondering what you meant by "fuck off aesthetics" in the other thread. now I see it was directed towards me.

not that I really give a fuck about who or what you think I am, but here's something to jerk off to. I realize it's a msg board, and you're a big tough guy, but you should think twice before you go around being disrespctfull.

[anabolichalo]

i will just stay oin 300 mg untill christmas and then re evaluate with you gurus

[anabolichalo]

Have u experienced any sides, e.g., gyno, etc.?

not really

i'm really paranoid that it may magnify my receding hairloss etc

but i take 2.5mg finasteride once daily

 

should i take every 12 hrs 1.25mg instead ?

[anabolichalo]

Based on your recent pics it looks like you've made some solid gains.

BTW, I've lost track - did u run an oral w/ this or just the T?

afters years of over analyzing

i concluded low dose test and high dose finasteride is the only way to go for a guy with hairloss who wants muscles but not want to be a slaphead at 25


so i just use 1ml of 300mg/ml test e

i did like 12wks then came off stopped training etc for 6 then got back on

that back on part

was like what ... 5-6 wks ago? i dont know anymore

i stop keeping track now