cops shoot mentally ill man

[Agnostic007]

Clearly if only the cops were unarmed in America as it is
With guns being freely & legally available to all public & scum bags
It would be totally stupid & suicidal for cops.

Yet also the Reality is there are just as many violent & aggressive people in
Many other countries some with guns most with a weapon of some sort
& they have to be dealt with.
Yes sometimes they are shot dead, generally as a last resort.
Not A First Resort.

It appears the problem is cops & American society are stuck to
The bosom of the gun & cannot be weaned off.

You are playing dumb, clearly your are intelligent enough to know
Police & people in other dangerous jobs deal every day with situations
Almost identical to those that cops deal with in America without
Guns & shooting being the 1st option.

That is also Reality.
For many of us.

There is More than just your type of Reality.

This may not paint me in the best light for you but I'm not playing dumb. Statistically, it just doesn't support a "cops shoot everyone" statement. Cops come into contact with people with weapons, including guns on a regular basis. I can think back a few years ago to my patrol time and I probably never went a week without arresting an individual with a gun or weapon, often times they had it in their hands. I was the average cop. I didn't shoot anyone. My partners didn't shoot anyone. We might have had 10 police involved shootings in 5 years of making thousands of arrests... I hardly think that is a "first resort" mentality. I'm open to hearing your opposing view, maybe I'm way off base 

[illuminati]

This may not paint me in the best light for you but I'm not playing dumb. Statistically, it just doesn't support a "cops shoot everyone" statement. Cops come into contact with people with weapons, including guns on a regular basis. I can think back a few years ago to my patrol time and I probably never went a week without arresting an individual with a gun or weapon, often times they had it in their hands. I was the average cop. I didn't shoot anyone. My partners didn't shoot anyone. We might have had 10 police involved shootings in 5 years of making thousands of arrests... I hardly think that is a "first resort" mentality. I'm open to hearing your opposing view, maybe I'm way off base 

A lot of what you say above is very good & that is how it should be.

If your not playing dumb you are avoiding answering my points
On how the rest of the unarmed world manage to get by.
In similar situations without killing people or dogs that come out
Of people's houses.

Shooting that dog was a 1st resort mentality.
Did he not have CS gas, a baton, or maybe a taser.
It doesn't look like the dog is going to tear him to shreds
Or rip his throat out. ( granted the video is not the best & we don't see the last few seconds.)
What we do know is that cop went for his gun & shot the dog.

[Agnostic007]

A lot of what you say above is very good & that is how it should be.

If your not playing dumb you are avoiding answering my points
On how the rest of the unarmed world manage to get by.
In similar situations without killing people or dogs that come out
Of people's houses.

Shooting that dog was a 1st resort mentality.
Did he not have CS gas, a baton, or maybe a taser.
It doesn't look like the dog is going to tear him to shreds
Or rip his throat out. ( granted the video is not the best & we don't see the last few seconds.)
What we do know is that cop went for his gun & shot the dog.

I am not avoiding answering, it can't be answered, at least by me because I don't have all the information. I don't even know if the premise of the question is accurate.

I think i mentioned culture, mentality, crime rate, perhaps prison sentences as deterents. I'm guessing because the question is vague

Shooting the dog was a decision made in a very short time with a pit bull lunging at him. . I don't know what alternatives he had but in my opinion, with 10 years as a dog handler/trainer, if the dog was aggressive, in that close proximity, with the PSI bite those dogs have, he made a good choice. Dogs who are intent on attacking fight through OC spray. we have video demonstrations of dogs doing so. If you are wrong, and the dog fights through it.. you risk getting severely injured. A Taser has to have both prongs hit and then penetrate the skin to be effective, one prong that misses such a small area of target, and you might as well have a water gun... and then you risk being severely injured.  I can't agree it doesnt seem the dog isnt going to tear him to shreds.. without audio I cant tell. I've seen that behavior before in both non aggressive dogs and aggressive dogs. And again... all I'm saying is how bout we wait till we know all the facts before arbitrarily labeling this cop a dog murderer...     

[illuminati]

I am not avoiding answering, it can't be answered, at least by me because I don't have all the information. I don't even know if the premise of the question is accurate.

Ha. And I thought you were making Progress. Of course it is Accurate, and you know it.
It is life day to day in many countries.

I think i mentioned culture, mentality, crime rate, perhaps prison sentences as deterents. I'm guessing because the question is vague.

Again. The only Vague Person is You, Trotting out the same old tired None committal answers
So as not to admit There are a Huge Number Of Bad & Dangerous Cops.
Just like there are a huge number of bad & dangerous scum bags.
In America & in the rest of the world.
Only America is Unique.

Shooting the dog was a decision made in a very short time with a pit bull lunging at him. . I don't know what alternatives he had but in my opinion, with 10 years as a dog handler/trainer, if the dog was aggressive, in that close proximity, with the PSI bite those dogs have, he made a good choice. Dogs who are intent on attacking fight through OC spray. we have video demonstrations of dogs doing so. If you are wrong, and the dog fights through it.. you risk getting severely injured. A Taser has to have both prongs hit and then penetrate the skin to be effective, one prong that misses such a small area of target, and you might as well have a water gun... and then you risk being severely injured.  I can't agree it doesnt seem the dog isnt going to tear him to shreds.. without audio I cant tell. I've seen that behavior before in both non aggressive dogs and aggressive dogs. And again... all I'm saying is how bout we wait till we know all the facts before arbitrarily labeling this cop a dog murderer...     

It Does Get So tiresome your Cop Arse Licking Protect the cops at any cost.
Grow some back bone & some eye sight.
There is life with out a Gun.
Just call a spade a spade. And a bad cop a bad cop.

I many constantly bring up and say there are many many scum bags,
And deserve what they Get.

You are to Scared or to Brain Washed To Speak out and say The Same About Bad Cops.
Yet Quick to Bash The Scum Bags & Dogs.

I have said it Before & it Applies Very Well To You.
See No Evil.
Hear No evil.
Speak No Evil.
About The Saint Police.

[Agnostic007]

look dude.. you can have your opinion of the shooting.. that's cool. I have mine. Because mine differs from yours, why am I automatically the bad guy? I could just as easily say you're so blinded by your hatred of authority and cops you wouldn't side with a cop if it involved bank robbers with body armor and automatic weapons shooting up the streets of L.A. I just figure you have a different opinion and perception. It's not unheard of that some people view all police as evil. But I don't feel the need to insult you about it.     Is it something you feel you must do, to be insulting about it? I have given you my honest opinion based on my experience and the available information. Accept it or don't. We'll both continue living just fine...

[Donny]

There are Good Cops and Bad Cops. the question is how are they trained? now you might get a guy in an Academy in Texas who is trained diffrent to say a guy in Hawaii .. now going on the statistics if there is more criminality in one part of the US does this have an effect on their mentality ?

[Agnostic007]

There are Good Cops and Bad Cops. the question is how are they trained? now you might get a guy in an Academy in Texas who is trained diffrent to say a guy in Hawaii .. now going on the statistics if there is more criminality in one part of the US does this have an effect on their mentality ?

There are a lot of good cops and a few bad cops. 1 bad cop is too many.

I don't know the answer to the mentality question.

As a citizen driving through the country, if I had any concern about police officers, it would be the extremes. Places with so many cops it is difficult to have span and control of the officers. Lack of the ability to provide supervision. The other extreme would be small town USA where cops are normally not trained beyond the bare minimum, low pay, mediocre equipment, questionable screening process for hiring.oh.. and anywhere in Louisiana   

[illuminati]

look dude.. you can have your opinion of the shooting.. that's cool. I have mine. Because mine differs from yours, why am I automatically the bad guy? I could just as easily say you're so blinded by your hatred of authority and cops you wouldn't side with a cop if it involved bank robbers with body armor and automatic weapons shooting up the streets of L.A. I just figure you have a different opinion and perception. It's not unheard of that some people view all police as evil. But I don't feel the need to insult you about it.     Is it something you feel you must do, to be insulting about it? I have given you my honest opinion based on my experience and the available information. Accept it or don't. We'll both continue living just fine...

If your talking to me.
I do not hate all cops.
I have had dealings with some decent good ones.
I do not trust the system & the corruption within.
That is constantly covered up & made excuses for.

As I stated Scumbags are scumbags whether they be cops or not.
It is your evasive Politically correct replies That are so irksome & tiresome.
   
You seem unable or unwilling to Straight Talk.
Call a spade a spade.

Clearly you do feel the need to insult me,
By saying I am blinded by my hatred of cops & authority.
That's your opinion.
And it's Very Very Wrong.

I could go into what I think your Hatreds are.....
Only that would be As Wrong as you Were.

[Donny]

There are a lot of good cops and a few bad cops. 1 bad cop is too many.

I don't know the answer to the mentality question.

As a citizen driving through the country, if I had any concern about police officers, it would be the extremes. Places with so many cops it is difficult to have span and control of the officers. Lack of the ability to provide supervision. The other extreme would be small town USA where cops are normally not trained beyond the bare minimum, low pay, mediocre equipment, questionable screening process for hiring.oh.. and anywhere in Louisiana   

I think the police in the US should be trained centrally in 1 or 2 schools which teach a set standard in Firearm training, rules of engagement

[Radical Plato]

Is it really necessary to continually yell at a dead man who is face down to drop the screwdriver.

LOL at policemen describing dead guy as unconscious.

[Donny]

This video shows how to tackle a Dangerous criminal in a wheel chair   To be fair to the cop if you watch the whole video the man made a feeble attempt to push/hit the cop and then the cop beat him to the ground. The man in the wheelchair i think was drunk or on drugs. Still no need to do this sort of thing. Even later the nurse said the cop reacted aggressive towards her. I do understand that in certain situations cops do need to react with "controlled" force...hell i would to if i was a cop. however sometimes the reactions are just plain criminal...

[Agnostic007]

If your talking to me.
I do not hate all cops.
I have had dealings with some decent good ones.
I do not trust the system & the corruption within.
That is constantly covered up & made excuses for.

As I stated Scumbags are scumbags whether they be cops or not.
It is your evasive Politically correct replies That are so irksome & tiresome.
   
You seem unable or unwilling to Straight Talk.
Call a spade a spade.

Clearly you do feel the need to insult me,
By saying I am blinded by my hatred of cops & authority.
That's your opinion.
And it's Very Very Wrong.

I could go into what I think your Hatreds are.....
Only that would be As Wrong as you Were.

You missed my point.. again

[Agnostic007]

Is it really necessary to continually yell at a dead man who is face down to drop the screwdriver.

LOL at policemen describing dead guy as unconscious.

You sure he was dead then? But yeah.. seems  little overkill to continually yell to drop something. while people have played possum in the past, I would probaby just go ahead and remove the screw driver from his grasp cautiously

[illuminati]

You missed my point.. again

Why do you not explain it in plain English.

And you yet again failed to grasp my points.

On most of the threads you post on you are always on the defense
Of cops, sometimes rightly so as they are just being picked for being cops.

Sometimes they are deservedly picked on for being scumbag cops.

That's where you miss the point all the time, not just from me
But everyone.

[Radical Plato]

You sure he was dead then? But yeah.. seems  little overkill to continually yell to drop something. while people have played possum in the past, I would probaby just go ahead and remove the screw driver from his grasp cautiously

Yeah, I am sure he was dead.  You police defenders are pathetic, always claiming the Police are the most fearful people in the world, unable to tolerate any fear or danger and any hint of such feelings requires deadly force they later justify, and now you are telling me they can't even tell when someone is dead or no longer a threat.  Modern Police most be the most fearful, petrified and unintelligent human beings in our community. 

Here is a thought, show SOME FUCKING COURAGE AND STOP BEING AFRAID OF EVERY LITTLE THING.  Yes you may die in the line of duty, but this is a risk many men face every day doing non police work, from deep-sea fisherman to miners.  The average person faces life threatening dangers everyday without lethal weapons or the power of the state supporting them, WHY CAN'T POLICE?

[illuminati]

Yeah, I am sure he was dead.  You police defenders are pathetic, always claiming the Police are the most fearful people in the world, unable to tolerate any fear or danger and any hint of such feelings requires deadly force they later justify, and now you are telling me they can't even tell when someone is dead or no longer a threat.  Modern Police most be the most fearful, petrified and unintelligent human beings in our community. 

Here is a thought, show SOME FUCKING COURAGE AND STOP BEING AFRAID OF EVERY LITTLE THING.  Yes you may die in the line of duty, but this is a risk many men face every day doing non police work, from deep-sea fisherman to miners.  The average person faces life threatening dangers everyday without lethal weapons or the power of the state supporting them, WHY CAN'T POLICE?

Sorry sir, only you won't get a rational honest response from him
He is to far gone.
We are all Police Haters.
The Saintly Police are all knowledgeable & all Good.
We are all so hopelessly wrong.
Only the Saintly Police have a very Dangerous job.
We cannot possibly understand.

Ode to the Saintly Police
See No Evil
Hear No Evil
Speak No Evil

[Erik C]

The police don't kill enough mentally illm garbage people. Every time they kill one, it makes the world a better place for real human beings.

[Radical Plato]

The police don't kill enough mentally illm garbage people. Every time they kill one, it makes the world a better place for real human beings.

I feel the same every time a cop is killed, one less arsehole poisoning his community.

[Erik C]

The cops don't shoot enough mentally ill dirtballs.

[Donny]

GEEEEEZ...what sort of person does this? and one guy is seen laughing as he walks past the camera

[Agnostic007]

I feel the same every time a cop is killed, one less arsehole poisoning his community.

figured as much...

[Donny]

figured as much...

at least you are keeping cool.. i donīt think you were a bad cop. you argue your point and maybe a bit stubborn but are level headed. well thatīs what i read into your posts.

[Agnostic007]

at least you are keeping cool.. i donīt think you were a bad cop. you argue your point and maybe a bit stubborn but are level headed. well thatīs what i read into your posts.

Thanks Donnie. I think the stubborness you refer to is that I believe what I am saying is true. That doesn't always make me right, as I have thought things to be true in the past and have been proven wrong. I then change my opinion when that happens.

[illuminati]

Thanks Donnie. I think the stubborness you refer to is that I believe what I am saying is true. That doesn't always make me right, as I have thought things to be true in the past and have been proven wrong. I then change my opinion when that happens.

Yes & we believe what we are saying is true also.
That also doesn't always make us Right.

The Difference is most of us say that a scum bag is a scum bag
Wether that scum bag is a cop or not.

You cannot, will not say anything against cops.
There are No Scum Bag Cops.
Yet we are Constantly Reading about & Seeing
Video's of Atrocious Cop Behaviour.
Oh let me Guess You Cannot Make A Judgement as you haven't
Seen / Heard all the Evidence.
Then how The Fcuk Do you manage to do you job, when you only see part
Of what you think is a crime or see cctv footage of some thing happening.
Is that Different then Because it's Not A Cop you Have To Make A Decision On.

And it APPEARS like so many other cops
That you are unable or unwilling to deal with People
Unless You Have your Gun.
And Believe America is Unique when it comes to Scumbags
& Policing.

Clearly your Avoiding answering some People on this Thread.

[Agnostic007]

Yes & we believe what we are saying is true also.
That also doesn't always make us Right.

The Difference is most of us say that a scum bag is a scum bag
Wether that scum bag is a cop or not.

You cannot, will not say anything against cops.
There are No Scum Bag Cops.
Yet we are Constantly Reading about & Seeing
Video's of Atrocious Cop Behaviour.
Oh let me Guess You Cannot Make A Judgement as you haven't
Seen / Heard all the Evidence.
Then how The Fcuk Do you manage to do you job, when you only see part
Of what you think is a crime or see cctv footage of some thing happening.
Is that Different then Because it's Not A Cop you Have To Make A Decision On.

And it APPEARS like so many other cops
That you are unable or unwilling to deal with People
Unless You Have your Gun.
And Believe America is Unique when it comes to Scumbags
& Policing.

Clearly your Avoiding answering some People on this Thread.

I remember winning a bet from another poster who said I never called a cop out on this forum. I always backed the cop. He challenged me to produce an example of this. Loser had to stay off Getbig for a month. I produced about 10 instances in less than 10 minutes searching and posted them... my point is, I call a duck a duck. If a cop screws up or is a criminal I have no problem saying so. Where you may get the impression I don't is, often times some (not saying you ;-) ) will jump to a conclusion about an incident and determine the cop screwed up. I may disagree because I may have experience with that similar situation and realize there are other things at play you may not be aware of. The shooting of the pit bull video is a great and recent example.