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I heard someone call Shaq "Snack." Funniest nickname I've heard in some time. :)
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I heard someone call Shaq "Snack." Funniest nickname I've heard in some time. :)
He had some kind words ofr Kobe, printed today in the LA Times. It's hard to figure him out.
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He had some kind words ofr Kobe, printed today in the LA Times. It's hard to figure him out.
I got him figured out pretty good. His ego is as large as his big butt and as fragile as his durability. He doesn't like to work hard in the offseason, he shows up overweight just about every training camp, he doesn't rebound or play particularly good defense. And the Miami Heat won the title in spite of, not because of, Snack O'Neal. He's not even the best center on his team at this point. How the heck was named a starter in this year's All Star game? ???
Now, he was the most dominant big man of the 90s and early 2000s, but he's done IMO.
Can you tell I'm a Lakers fan? :)
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I got him figured out pretty good. His ego is as large as his big butt and as fragile as his durability. He doesn't like to work hard in the offseason, he shows up overweight just about every training camp, he doesn't rebound or play particularly good defense. And the Miami Heat won the title in spite of, not because of, Snack O'Neal. He's not even the best center on his team at this point. How the heck was named a starter in this year's All Star game? ???
Now, he was the most dominant big man of the 90s and early 2000s, but he's done IMO.
Can you tell I'm a Lakers fan? :)
I'm still torn. The Lakers would not have won three titles without him, despite Kobe's magnificance.
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despite Kobe's magnificance.
Never was magnificance, he was a ball hog, a very good ball hog at that. More hype than anything else. And can't do jack without a big maneither feeding him the ball or creating holes and plays. Just like Penny Hardaway.
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I got him figured out pretty good. His ego is as large as his big butt and as fragile as his durability. He doesn't like to work hard in the offseason, he shows up overweight just about every training camp, he doesn't rebound or play particularly good defense. And the Miami Heat won the title in spite of, not because of, Snack O'Neal. He's not even the best center on his team at this point. How the heck was named a starter in this year's All Star game? ???
Now, he was the most dominant big man of the 90s and early 2000s, but he's done IMO.
Can you tell I'm a Lakers fan? :)
I stiil think Shaq is the best if he gets motivated.
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I'm still torn. The Lakers would not have won three titles without him, despite Kobe's magnificance.
Not me. They wouldn't have won three titles without Shaq, Kobe, and Phil. Remember Phil took basically the same team they had the year before his arrival and won the title. And it was Kobe who often carried the team in the fourth quarter, particularly when fouls were an issue, because Snack can't make free throws.
Nobody can touch Kobe's game IMO. He does it on both ends of the floor. Just a phenomenal player. I hope the Lakers put the right pieces together before it's too late. I think we are one player (a solid 4) away.
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I stiil think Shaq is the best if he gets motivated.
Well, he gets motivated about every third or fourth game, in between his extended absences due to injury. :) He is well past his prime. Just look at his stats on any given game. Last night he had as many fouls as he did rebounds. He can dominate a quarter when he feels like it, but that's about it.
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Well, he gets motivated about every third or fourth game, in between his extended absences due to injury. :) He is well past his prime. Just look at his stats on any given game. Last night he had as many fouls as he did rebounds. He can dominate a quarter when he feels like it, but that's about it.
I do think Shaq is more into his law enforcement career than basketball now. You have to give him credit for all the good things he does off the court. He rented like 200 apartments for Katrina victims with his own dime. He is always making public appearances at no charge for charities. He actually gives his time and money to less fortunate.
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I do think Shaq is more into his law enforcement career than basketball now. You have to give him credit for all the good things he does off the court. He rented like 200 apartments for Katrina victims with his own dime. He is always making public appearances at no charge for charities. He actually gives his time and money to less fortunate.
True.
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So Snack has his "best" game of the year last night (according to ESPN): 22 points. But he had more fouls (4) than rebounds (2).
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Not to be a negative prick but O'neal is worthless pile of shit these days. He has no dedication to staying in shape in the off season. For the last 5 seasons He's been trying to play his way into shape every season so that he's ready by playoff time.
Yeah, I know he had a knee surgery. But did it occur to anyone that he wouldn't have all these knee and calf injuries if he would stay in decent shape year round to ease the load on his back and knees? I mean he weighs 340lbs and it's not fun to carry around that kind of weight as you get older. He's 35 years old and a shell of his former self. He really is in jeapordy of killing the dominant legacy of his prime with his current level of laziness and unwillingness to commit himself every season to staying in shape.
He doesn't work hard, plain and simple and he's lost a lot of respect by his peers.
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Not to be a negative prick but O'neal is worthless pile of shit these days. He has no dedication to staying in shape in the off season. For the last 5 seasons He's been trying to play his way into shape every season so that he's ready by playoff time.
Yeah, I know he had a knee surgery. But did it occur to anyone that he wouldn't have all these knee and calf injuries if he would stay in decent shape year round to ease the load on his back and knees? I mean he weighs 340lbs and it's not fun to carry around that kind of weight as you get older. He's 35 years old and a shell of his former self. He really is in jeapordy of killing the dominant legacy of his prime with his current level of laziness and unwillingness to commit himself every season to staying in shape.
He doesn't work hard, plain and simple and he's lost a lot of respect by his peers.
I agree. Remember several years ago with the Lakers he waited until right before the start of the season to have surgery that he knew was required at prior season's end? His response: I got injured on company time, so I'll rehab on company time.
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Oh yeah! I remember that!
That just further strengthens my argument.
What a douchebag!
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Snack's line today: 14 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block, 5 fouls. Total domination! :)
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Snack's line today: 14 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block, 5 fouls. Total domination! :)
If he played at least 28 minutes and racked up those numbers, then the writings on the wall for the big fella to consider hanging it up after this season.
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If he played at least 28 minutes and racked up those numbers, then the writings on the wall for the big fella to consider hanging it up after this season.
He played exactly 28 minutes. And most of his numbers are misleading, because they come in spurts, usually early, before he runs out of gas.
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Didn't someone do a version of Jay-Z's "99 Problems" about Shaq?
It was called "99 Free Throws and You Can't Hit 1"
I've just tried to find it but can't.
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Didn't someone do a version of Jay-Z's "99 Problems" about Shaq?
It was called "99 Free Throws and You Can't Hit 1"
I've just tried to find it but can't.
Imagine the numbers Shaq could have racked up if he could even hit 70% from the line?
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Imagine the numbers Shaq could have racked up if he could even hit 70% from the line?
And how many games have his teams lost because he didn't hit free throws? The sports media is afraid to touch this guy.
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And how many games have his teams lost because he didn't hit free throws? The sports media is afraid to touch this guy.
Rick Barry offered to teach Shaq the underhanded method and said he could get Shaq up to 75%.
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Rick Barry offered to teach Shaq the underhanded method and said he could get Shaq up to 75%.
But Snack said "no." To his credit, he hired that free throw guru guy several years ago, for one season, who raised Snack's FT percentage to a career high (around 60 percent?). But Snack doesn't respect the game enough to work on his free throws.
I remember Magic coming into the league without an outside shot. Spent hours in the gym and became a good shooter. That's what great players who respect the game do. Not Snack.
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Snack's line last night in 24 minutes: 6 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 5 blocks (shocking), 3 fouls. And this man is an all star starter?
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Snack's line last night in 24 minutes: 6 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 5 blocks (shocking), 3 fouls. And this man is an all star starter?
Your analysis of his consistently eroding skills is right on the mark. Unfortunately, the problem we face as Lakers fans in criticizing him is that we sound like jilted ex-lovers, not much different than when he talks about the Lakers being a horrible organization, etc. As such, I generally leave it for others to observe his failings.
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Your analysis of his consistently eroding skills is right on the mark. Unfortunately, the problem we face as Lakers fans in criticizing him is that we sound like jilted ex-lovers, not much different than when he talks about the Lakers being a horrible organization, etc. As such, I generally leave it for others to observe his failings.
I'll continue to do it. No shame in my game. :) He's done and I'll keep saying it. And I've been a Lakers fan since the days of Jamal Wilkes, Norm Nixon, and Bob McAdoo. :)
Tough loss last night. :'(
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Snack's line last night against the mighty New York Knicks:
20 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block, and 5 fouls in 23 minutes. Once again, he has more fouls than rebounds in a game.
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So he had a great game last night: 31, 15, and 6 in 36 minutes, including 7-14 from the line. :o I bet he disappears next game.
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As I predicted: 14, 9, and 2 with 4 fouls against the Hawks. :)
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Hahahahahahahahaha!!! He's the right man for the job. That fattie.
Shaq Reality Show Takes on Child Obesity
AP | March 5, 2007 09:54 PM EST
LOS ANGELES Shaquille O'Neal will be taking a shot at a TV reality show focused on childhood obesity and health. The ABC summer series will feature the Miami Heat star and his effort to help Florida schoolchildren lose weight, ABC said Monday. Airdates for the six-episode series, yet to be titled, haven't been set.
The series, being filmed in Broward County, Fla., will track the lives of the children involved. O'Neal will be on hand as booster and, in episodes yet to be shot, will lobby politicians on causes including school nutrition, Daily Variety reported Monday.
The show is an adaptation of the British series "Ian Wright's Unfit Kids," which featured the former soccer star.
O'Neal, a father of six, has been outspoken about the issue of children and weight problems.
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Dang. Break up the Heat. Nine in a row without Wade? :-[
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Ah yes. The Snack O'Neal I know and love back at work:
34 minutes, 20 points, 4 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 5 fouls.
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21 minutes against ATL - 12 points, 3 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 block, 4 fouls (again, more fouls than rebounds). But the Heat won.
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24 minutes against the Pacers: 13 points, 3 rebounds, 0 assists, 1 block, and 4 fouls.
Once again he had more fouls than rebounds. How does this happen to a 7 foot, 350+ pound guy?
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32 minutes against the Sixers: 18 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block, 6 turnovers, 5 fouls. [chuckle] :)
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Snack is shooting 44 percent from the foul line. He is being paid $20 million this year.
Today's line from the $20 million dollar man, in 36 minutes: 23 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 0 blocks, 5 turnovers, and 4 fouls. Faced off against the great Chris Webber at center.
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The Big Aristotle aint even trying anymore. He is collecting a payday. >:(
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Snack is shooting 44 percent from the foul line. He is being paid $20 million this year.
Today's line from the $20 million dollar man, in 36 minutes: 23 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 0 blocks, 5 turnovers, and 4 fouls. Faced off against the great Chris Webber at center.
What a fcuking disgrace.
One thing is fo' sho: Mr 400 lbs blob will not be remembered for his work ethic.
-Hedge
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What a fcuking disgrace.
One thing is fo' sho: Mr 400 lbs blob will not be remembered for his work ethic.
-Hedge
Or his free throw shooting. Or his defense. Or rebounding.
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Wait until you see how fat Shaq gets when he retires.
I agree. Disgraceful and really fucking lazy. Think how his scoring average would increase if he would have worked to become a 65-70% free throw shooter over the years.
Guy's a bum now. Forget that he's 35. If he would just work to stay in shape year round he could still average 25 points and 10 rebounds as he advances to his late 30's.
I hate the fucker. >:(
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I got him figured out pretty good. His ego is as large as his big butt and as fragile as his durability. He doesn't like to work hard in the offseason, he shows up overweight just about every training camp, he doesn't rebound or play particularly good defense. And the Miami Heat won the title in spite of, not because of, Snack O'Neal. He's not even the best center on his team at this point. How the heck was named a starter in this year's All Star game? ???
Now, he was the most dominant big man of the 90s and early 2000s, but he's done IMO.
Can you tell I'm a Lakers fan? :)
He held the heat together while wade was out, in fact , 3 games over 500 without wade, 3 games over 500 with wade.
shaq will be a force til he retires....so he was tired of playing with that rapist kobe bryant, who can blame him.
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In one of his better performances of the season, Snack, "the force," had 16 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 blocks, and only 1 foul last night. They beat Toronto by 3, while Snack went 0-6 from the foul line. ::)
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He held the heat together while wade was out, in fact , 3 games over 500 without wade, 3 games over 500 with wade.
shaq will be a force til he retires....so he was tired of playing with that rapist kobe bryant, who can blame him.
He is impossible to stop one on one, he CREATED the need for the ZONE. But at 360+, he is less mobile, more injury prone, has less stamina, and has to be rested during long periods to keep him in during crunch time. He takes SERIES OFF at a time, and is a defensive liability compared to Zo. He can be dominant, but he is a pale comparison to the player he once was. AND HE STILL can't shoot freethrows.
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Snack's playoff game one performance: 27 minutes, 19 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block, 2 TOs, and 6 fouls (as many fouls as rebounds).
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he's a veteran in the league but defenses still play at his will. his presence still creates gaps in the defense. i know his work ethic is somewhat questionable but the guy can still play and has had the ability to play. he hasn't disappeared into oblivion like the mutombos or ostertags. this guy was a rookie and he was already going up against the best centers in the league (ie. hakeem) and holding his own. the only guy who is similar to him is dwight howard, and when that dude hits his prime, he'll get the duncans and wallaces really scared.
despite the fact that shaq can still help win ballgames, i think the lakers trade was still a good idea. no one in the league can match kobe's 3rd/4th quarter game.
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And so the season ends for Snack. In his final two playoff games, he had the following lines:
Friday: 23 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist, and 2 blocks. Went 3-12 from the free throw line (they lost by 8 ).
Today: 16 points, 7 rebounds, 0 assists, and 2 blocks. Went 0-7 from the line. That's a combined 3 for 19 from the line his last two games. :o
The $20 million man is done. Stick a fork in that fattie. I will miss bashing him. But there is always next year, when Snack shows up for camp weighing 380 pounds. :)
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And so the season ends for Snack. In his final two playoff games, he had the following lines:
Friday: 23 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist, and 2 blocks. Went 3-12 from the free throw line (they lost by 8).
Today: 16 points, 7 rebounds, 0 assists, and 2 blocks. Went 0-7 from the line. That's a combined 3 for 19 from the line his last two games. :o
The $20 million man is done. Stick a fork in that fattie. I will miss bashing him. But there is always next year, when Snack shows up for camp weighing 380 pounds. :)
Beach, Shaq was the man who won you three titles. Kobe wasn't the man then. Shaq was. Why do you bash him so much?
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he's a veteran in the league but defenses still play at his will. his presence still creates gaps in the defense. i know his work ethic is somewhat questionable but the guy can still play and has had the ability to play. he hasn't disappeared into oblivion like the mutombos or ostertags. this guy was a rookie and he was already going up against the best centers in the league (ie. hakeem) and holding his own. the only guy who is similar to him is dwight howard, and when that dude hits his prime, he'll get the duncans and wallaces really scared.
despite the fact that shaq can still help win ballgames, i think the lakers trade was still a good idea. no one in the league can match kobe's 3rd/4th quarter game.
You aren't actually comparing Ostertag or Motumbo to Shaq are you? Ostertag is a stiff and Motumbo could block shots and thats about it.
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Beach, Shaq was the man who won you three titles. Kobe wasn't the man then. Shaq was. Why do you bash him so much?
Actually, it was Phil, Kobe, and Shaq who were responsible for three straight rings. Kobe was indeed the man, particularly in the fourth quarter. It was Kobe who brought intensity on both ends of the floor. Shaq never worked hard on defense. It was Kobe who showed up every camp in outstanding shape, adding a new dimension to his game every year, while Shaq showed up fat and played himself into shape. Shaq was a beast when healthy, but he was lazy and I blame him for the Kobe/Shaq breakup. He showed no class during that dispute and no class when he left. He is a big, overpaid baby. I'm happy he will be on his couch packing on the pounds for the rest of the playoffs. :)
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He is a big, overpaid baby. I'm happy he will be on his couch packing on the pounds for the rest of the playoffs. :)
In a few days time there will be two overpaid babies sitting on the couch watching the playoffs :).
SERGIO!!!!
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In a few days time there will be two overpaid babies sitting on the couch watching the playoffs :).
SERGIO!!!!
There are already lots of overpaid babies sitting on the couch. Like more than half of the NBA.
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You aren't actually comparing Ostertag or Motumbo to Shaq are you? Ostertag is a stiff and Motumbo could block shots and thats about it.
in terms of positions they played and the hopes expected from them
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And here I thought I was done bashing Snack. :D
Shaq, anyone?
Yes, Shaquille O'Neal is the 800-pound elephant in the room. No one really wants to talk about it, but the Heat's main issue is the decline of O'Neal with three years left on his contract at $20 million per season.
Heat coach Pat Riley in his post-series comments said he was to blame for what he called the "pervasive" attitude of the veterans that the team could turn it on at any time. Hmm, wonder whom he meant. Riley said it would have been "a mockery" if the Heat had defeated the Bulls.
"It would have sent the wrong message. We didn't do anything the right way this year," Riley said. Then he added: "If he wants to give back $10 million and play half the season, fine." Wonder again whom he meant.
Miami insiders said not only was O'Neal indifferent to the regular season, as usual, and this time had knee surgery, but he'd even go so far as to tell teammates not to bother with defense, apparently to not make his own indifference look bad. The Heat's options seem limited with a huge payroll, and O'Neal remains a popular figure fans pay to see. But they don't pay to see Miami lose like it did.
Have they had enough?
Despite O'Neal's presence and reputation, he'll turn 36 next season. Frankly, it's difficult to see many teams that would even take a chance on him.
And then there is Dallas, which is where Shaq wanted to go when he was breaking up with the Lakers.
In losing to the Warriors in the first round, it seemed clear what the Mavericks and Dirk Nowitzki most needed was someone to take the pressure off. Could Shaq be that guy?
Mavs owner Mark Cuban said they are not panicking or breaking up the team, but time will tell. Miami needs a major overhaul. Would Dallas panic and take a last shot with Shaq? Maybe for Erick Dampier, Devin Harris and a sign-and-trade with Jerry Stackhouse to give the Heat some life again? It does seem farfetched. But it has been a half-century since both finalists from the previous year went out in the first round. And it didn't look like either could win.
Nowitzki's fold against the Warriors brought to mind David Robinson in 1995. He was the MVP that season and accepted his award as he was being dominated in the conference finals by Hakeem Olajuwon. The Spurs began to fade after that with Robinson a year older than Nowitzki is now. The label of being soft and unable to come up big and finish began to stick to Robinson until Duncan came along and Robinson settled into an ancillary role and got two championships. You figure Nowitzki needs someone like that. Shaq?
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-070506smithinside,1,4008387.column?coll=cs-bulls-headlines
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Shaq to the Mavericks? Unlikely. He should retire now. He's a shell of his former self and he blatantly was non committed to staying in shape during the off season. What O'Neal fails to understand is that the league gets younger every year while he gets older. Blowing up to 375 pounds in the off season and trying to play your way into shape and getting 20 million is downright sickening. Not too mention harder to do as you creep into your 30's.
And is that what you call a title defense this year?
Pathetic.............
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Translation: he has no trade value. :)
Riley says Shaq isn't going anywherePosted: Wednesday May 9, 2007 5:52PM; Updated: Wednesday May 9, 2007 5:57PM
MIAMI (AP) -- Coach Pat Riley issued a one-sentence statement Wednesday regarding the future of the Miami Heat: Shaquille O'Neal will be a part of it.
"Amongst growing speculation in the media, in reference to Shaq, I want to set the record straight and say that we are not trading Shaq," Riley said.
Putting O'Neal on the market became a rumor topic after the Chicago Bulls swept the defending NBA champion Heat in the first round of the playoffs. At age 35, O'Neal failed to reach the second round for the first time since 1994.
O'Neal sat out 42 games this season, mostly because of knee surgery, and averaged a career-low 17.3 points. He made the All-Star game for the 14th consecutive season.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/05/09/shaq.heat.ap/index.html
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Shaq/snaq wont retire cause he has $60M coming his way, if he leaves on his own he forfeits it, he is lazy, no defense, no rebounds, looks real slow, next season he will get killed, and if he gets dunked on by Oden riley should just sack him..Im Snaq fan but he takes way to many games off during the season, due to his weight problem...
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:'(
Shaquille O'Neal files for divorce
Former Laker center is asking his wife to provide a "correct accounting of all money, funds, stocks, bonds, and other securities" that she had access to or obtained during the marriage.
From the Associated Press
September 5, 2007
MIAMI -- Shaquille O'Neal has filed to divorce his wife after nearly five years of marriage, his attorney said Tuesday night.
Attorney Ira Elegant said the petition was filed on behalf of the Miami Heat center in Miami-Dade Circuit Court on Tuesday. It was not immediately clear who is representing Shaunie O'Neal in the case.
The Heat did not have an immediate comment, and Shaquille O'Neal did not respond to a request for comment made through the team.
According to the filing, which was first reported by The Miami Herald on its Web site Tuesday night, Shaquille O'Neal is asking Shaunie O'Neal to provide a "correct accounting of all money, funds, stocks, bonds, and other securities" that she had access to or obtained during the marriage.
They are the parents of six children; Shaquille and Shaunie O'Neal had four together, and each had one other before their Dec. 26, 2002, wedding.
Shaquille O'Neal makes $20 million annually in his contract with the Heat, plus endorsement deals that are estimated to be worth several million more each year. The couple has also listed their home on Miami Beach's posh Star Island for about $32 million, or roughly $13 million more than they paid for it after O'Neal was traded to the Heat by the Los Angeles Lakers before the 2004-05 season.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-shaq5sep05,1,7408195.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-lakers
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I've been asleep at the wheel. Snack has played four games already this season (and lost all four). He has been awful in all four games, but here is his line from tonight against the Spurs:
17 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 blocks in 31 minutes. Mourning had 4 rebounds in only 15 minutes.
The Diesel is now a Yugo. He might be the most overpaid player in the NBA.
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Snack should have been on the one doing those sit-ups and running on a treadmill instead of those kids.
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I've been asleep at the wheel. Snack has played four games already this season (and lost all four). He has been awful in all four games, but here is his line from tonight against the Spurs:
17 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 blocks in 31 minutes. Mourning had 4 rebounds in only 15 minutes.
The Diesel is now a Yugo. He might be the most overpaid player in the NBA.
Rumor (Collin Cowherd, ESPN) is he's hanging it up after this season even though it means walking away from the money.
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Rumor (Collin Cowherd, ESPN) is he's hanging it up after this season even though it means walking away from the money.
It's floating around:
NBA Rumors
End of the line for Shaq?
Tuesday, Nov 6, 2007 6:47 am EST
Chicago Tribune columnist Sam Smith says that Miami Heat center Shaquille O'Neal "is done. I wouldn't be surprised if he sought a buyout after this season, his 16th.
"O'Neal didn't reach double figures in any category in his first two games, shooting 40 percent from the field and 14 percent on free throws, and scouts have commented on his lack of mobility.
Good big men can move and beat double-teams. O'Neal doesn't seem able to do that anymore.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/End-of-the-line-for-Shaq-;_ylt=Ai_MXVJMYWKhtfXeyFUUsgqC0bYF?urn=nba,52567
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This is one of the best threads on the sports board. ;D
Bubba hanging up the sneakers?
What a surprise! :o
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What's sad is that he is still better than most centers in the league.
Yao is the best by far.
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It's floating around:
NBA Rumors
End of the line for Shaq?
Tuesday, Nov 6, 2007 6:47 am EST
Chicago Tribune columnist Sam Smith says that Miami Heat center Shaquille O'Neal "is done. I wouldn't be surprised if he sought a buyout after this season, his 16th.
"O'Neal didn't reach double figures in any category in his first two games, shooting 40 percent from the field and 14 percent on free throws, and scouts have commented on his lack of mobility.
Good big men can move and beat double-teams. O'Neal doesn't seem able to do that anymore.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/End-of-the-line-for-Shaq-;_ylt=Ai_MXVJMYWKhtfXeyFUUsgqC0bYF?urn=nba,52567
If you were going thru a divorce you wouldn't be moving to well yourselves..epecially when millions of dollars and kids are involved.
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If you were going thru a divorce you wouldn't be moving to well yourselves..epecially when millions of dollars and kids are involved.
Parker I'm not trying to make light of his divorce, but he was playing like crap before he and his wife split.
And speaking of playing like crap . . . :) Last night's Snack stat line against the winless Sonics:
10 points, 3 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 3 turnovers, and 4 fouls in 16 minutes. More fouls than rebounds. The downward spiral continues.
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Parker I'm not trying to make light of his divorce, but he was playing like crap before he and his wife split.
And speaking of playing like crap . . . :) Last night's Snack stat line against the winless Sonics:
10 points, 3 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 3 turnovers, and 4 fouls in 16 minutes. More fouls than rebounds. The downward spiral continues.
Based on the stat line, Shaq morphed into Kwame Brown!
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Based on the stat line, Shaq morphed into Kwame Brown!
Kwame is actually playing better than Shaq. :o Or at least he was before he got hurt last night. He was playing better D and rebounding better.
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Snack is wearing out his welcome in Miami.
Riley takes the gloves off
Coach gets tough with his aging, rebelious teamNovember 19, 2007
LOS ANGELES -- Last week, an old friend of Pat Riley's was joking about an over/under for how long Riley would coach the Miami Heat.
"Gone by Christmas," the longtime colleague said with a laugh.
It seemed mostly in fun, but there's little joking in Miami. Last week Riley, who has an artificial hip, said he could play better than his team (players love this). Then Riley talked of a massive shakeup that sounded like he'd bench Shaquille O'Neal.
"People who don't think they should ever be benched might have to come off the bench for a while just to turn this whole thing around," Riley told Miami reporters.
Perhaps Riley meant Ricky Davis, too, though he's been benched before. Wondered one old Riley confidant: "He had him before. How could he not know?"
Courtside scouts following the Heat have been saying they see Davis waving off Riley and telling other players he isn't going to run that stuff.
"I don't see a team that really feels like they have anything at stake here," Riley said. "They come in, they play, they get beat, they go home. They go out into the night. I'll take responsibility for it because I put it together. I'm not shirking any responsibility."
The larger shock has been the way Riley is treating O'Neal, whose play has been limited. Riley benched O'Neal less than a minute into Saturday's game with the Netsa rare gesture, especially for Riley, who has long protected O'Neal. He apparently didn't like how O'Neal played a new pick-and-roll defense.
This came after Dwyane Wade, back from surgery and rounding into form, talked openly of O'Neal needing to be more motivated.
They laughed about it out in L.A., as that's what Kobe Bryant used to say, making O'Neal so upset, though Bryant did so anonymously.
O'Neal took the criticism from Wade in good spirits, though he was more cryptic after the Saturday benching, an astonishing embarrassment to a future Hall of Fame player. O'Neal told local media, "I'm doing it my way from now on."
O'Neal said he has knee and quadriceps problems. Riley responded he didn't see any reason for O'Neal to rest.
"Cortisone treatment, I think, is part of a player's season," Riley said. "Anytime he feels a little aggravation there, he will probably get a shot."
It seems Riley could be on the verge of losing the team, though it could be a test of wills as Riley finally may have decided to stop catering to his aging team. He is known for long, hard practices and a power game, more ferocity over finesse. He hasn't been able to coach this creaky team that way.
Intimates say Wade has been none too happy with the direction of the team, and the belief is Riley is trying desperately to assuage Wade's concerns, with Wade in the first season of his short extension. He can leave as a free agent after the 2009-10 season.
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-071118smith,1,4737284.column?coll=cs-bulls-headlines
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Snack is wearing out his welcome in Miami.
Riley takes the gloves off
Coach gets tough with his aging, rebelious teamNovember 19, 2007
LOS ANGELES -- Last week, an old friend of Pat Riley's was joking about an over/under for how long Riley would coach the Miami Heat.
"Gone by Christmas," the longtime colleague said with a laugh.
It seemed mostly in fun, but there's little joking in Miami. Last week Riley, who has an artificial hip, said he could play better than his team (players love this). Then Riley talked of a massive shakeup that sounded like he'd bench Shaquille O'Neal.
"People who don't think they should ever be benched might have to come off the bench for a while just to turn this whole thing around," Riley told Miami reporters.
Perhaps Riley meant Ricky Davis, too, though he's been benched before. Wondered one old Riley confidant: "He had him before. How could he not know?"
Courtside scouts following the Heat have been saying they see Davis waving off Riley and telling other players he isn't going to run that stuff.
"I don't see a team that really feels like they have anything at stake here," Riley said. "They come in, they play, they get beat, they go home. They go out into the night. I'll take responsibility for it because I put it together. I'm not shirking any responsibility."
The larger shock has been the way Riley is treating O'Neal, whose play has been limited. Riley benched O'Neal less than a minute into Saturday's game with the Netsa rare gesture, especially for Riley, who has long protected O'Neal. He apparently didn't like how O'Neal played a new pick-and-roll defense.
This came after Dwyane Wade, back from surgery and rounding into form, talked openly of O'Neal needing to be more motivated.
They laughed about it out in L.A., as that's what Kobe Bryant used to say, making O'Neal so upset, though Bryant did so anonymously.
O'Neal took the criticism from Wade in good spirits, though he was more cryptic after the Saturday benching, an astonishing embarrassment to a future Hall of Fame player. O'Neal told local media, "I'm doing it my way from now on."
O'Neal said he has knee and quadriceps problems. Riley responded he didn't see any reason for O'Neal to rest.
"Cortisone treatment, I think, is part of a player's season," Riley said. "Anytime he feels a little aggravation there, he will probably get a shot."
It seems Riley could be on the verge of losing the team, though it could be a test of wills as Riley finally may have decided to stop catering to his aging team. He is known for long, hard practices and a power game, more ferocity over finesse. He hasn't been able to coach this creaky team that way.
Intimates say Wade has been none too happy with the direction of the team, and the belief is Riley is trying desperately to assuage Wade's concerns, with Wade in the first season of his short extension. He can leave as a free agent after the 2009-10 season.
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-071118smith,1,4737284.column?coll=cs-bulls-headlines
Riley and D wade lay down the law.
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Just an update on arguably the most overpaid athlete in pro sports. Snack's line from the last two games:
Tonight against Utah and the mighty Mehmet Okur at center:
12 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 0 steals, 2 blocks, and 5 fouls. As many fouls as rebounds.
Last nigt against Denver:
6 points, 8 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, and 3 fouls.
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Just an update on arguably the most overpaid athlete in pro sports. Snack's line from the last two games:
Tonight against Utah and the mighty Mehmet Okur at center:
12 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 0 steals, 2 blocks, and 5 fouls. As many fouls as rebounds.
Last nigt against Denver:
6 points, 8 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, and 3 fouls.
Yeah shaq's done, he should retire...now..
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oh shaq still suffering, just buy this maggot out already
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This is starting to lose its luster, because it's just too easy, but here are the Snack stat lines from the last two games:
Tonight's loss to Golden State:
13 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 0 blocks, 2 fouls
Last night's loss to Portland:
8 points, 10 rebounds, 0 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 5 fouls
Anyone think he will quit before season's end? I think he will conveniently suffer a season ending injury.
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This is starting to lose its luster, because it's just too easy, but here are the Snack stat lines from the last two games:
Tonight's loss to Golden State:
13 points, 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 0 blocks, 2 fouls
Last night's loss to Portland:
8 points, 10 rebounds, 0 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 5 fouls
Anyone think he will quit before season's end? I think he will conveniently suffer a season ending injury.
he will play out this year then retire ( or get forced out) he aint contributing anything.
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he will play out this year then retire ( or get forced out) he aint contributing anything.
Yep. Total dead weight. I can't believe they are paying him $20 mil for this kind of production.
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Yep. Total dead weight. I can't believe they are paying him $20 mil for this kind of production.
Just remember, when they first signed him and when they won the championship he generated so much money for for the heat! in Merchandise sales, TV money (thats huge), sponsors, Season tickets, corporate boxes ETC ..So talent wise his pretty shit but in generating revenue shaq was number one..(after Jordan)
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Shaq speaks out
Several weeks ago, teammate Dwyane Wade called O'Neal out for not being motivated enough to turn his game around and shake Miami out of a lousy 1-8 start.
But, O'Neal said Thursday, his game is fine and the Heat would be better if they looked for him more often.
"If I'm taking 20 shots a game, and I'm only making two, then you can say my production is going down," O'Neal said, "but I'm still shooting 60 or 65 percent from the field. So they've got to find better ways to get me the ball. It should be simple."
Through Thursday, O'Neal is shooting 59 percent from the floor while averaging 15 points and 7.7 rebounds per game.
When asked if he let his teammates or Riley know how he felt, the Miami Herald said O'Neal replied, "I shouldn't have to [expletive] communicate that."
At the time Wade used the media to roust Shaq, O'Neal said he was fine with the tactic.
"We have that kind of relationship where we could talk to each other like that," O'Neal said then. "He was right. We're fine."
After Thursday's loss, O'Neal had suggestions for whomever is with him on the floor.
"Guys should drive, they should cut. I'm a great passer from the post," he said, according to the Herald. "Other guys have to take it personally if they're fronting me and backing me. You have to say, 'OK, they're disrespecting me, so I'm going to get 40 on you tonight.' "
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Charley Rosen
Special to FOXSports.com, Updated 3 days ago
What Shaq can still do
Shoot his awkward turnaround jumper from the left box. He was 2-of-2 on this maneuver.
Swing a short, right-handed banker after turning baseline from the right box. He was also 2-of-2 on this maneuver. It should be noted, however, that Shaq received the ball on the right box only twice, and when he turned baseline he also turned away from the oncoming double-teams that he couldn't dodge on the left box. Why, then, did he have only those two catches here? And why did he get only seven shots? Only Pat Riley knows the answers to both of these puzzlers.
Show on the nether side of high screen/rolls.
Make simple out passes when he was doubled. He also made two passes to cutters, one being perfect, the other being too low to be smoothly handled.
Run passably well in straight lines. He trailed a fastbreak and wound up with a dunk. And he also beat Kendrick Perkins downcourt twice.
Play excellent defense when he is sufficiently challenged. When Boston went small in the fourth quarter, Shaq had to guard Kevin Garnett and did an outstanding job! On one play, Garnett wanted to settle into the pivot, but Shaq pushed him far out on the wing then crowded KG when he finally did receive a pass. With no room to maneuver, Garnett was forced to make a harmless pass to the top of the key. This was Shaq's best play of the game.
What Shaq can no longer do
Explode toward the basket after corralling an entry pass.
Where he once was the best pass-catcher in the league, his hands aren't nearly as sure as they used to be. He fumbled four balls that he should have caught.
Get off his feet with any degree of quickness. Indeed, on four occasions, smaller, more quick-footed opponents beat him to rebounds.
Attack the offensive boards. Only two of his 11 total rebounds were retrieves of his teammates' misses and time after time, Shaq allowed himself to be immobilized when he was boxed out by smaller, lighter players. (Three of his rebounds literally fell into his hands, and only four were grabbed in the middle of a hostile crowd.)
Move laterally on defense in a timely fashion. Several times he was late in helping on the ball. During a third-quarter sequence he was caught in no-man's land neither helping nor attending to his own man and Perkins wound up with an easy put-back.
Avoid tripping over the foul line. Which appeared to be the case late in the game as he backpedaled from the high post and attempted to set up in the pivot.
It's obvious that Shaq can only approximate his former glory on special occasions. When he's matched up against Yao Ming, or Dwight Howard. Or when he's forced to cover KG.
Unfortunately, that's not enough for the Heat to play top-notch basketball on a consistent basis. Even more unfortunate is the sad news that the Big Diesel has become the Big Used-to-Be.
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Just remember, when they first signed him and when they won the championship he generated so much money for for the heat! in Merchandise sales, TV money (thats huge), sponsors, Season tickets, corporate boxes ETC ..So talent wise his pretty shit but in generating revenue shaq was number one..(after Jordan)
Good point. I forgot about that. So he has made them a lot of money too.
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Alonzo is a blocking beast
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I remember that. Bringing down the rim. Back when he was a beast. Now he is pedestrian, like tonight against the Clippers:
8 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks, 3 fouls, 0-4 from the line
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I remember that. Bringing down the rim. Back when he was a beast. Now he is pedestrian, like tonight against the Clippers:
8 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks, 3 fouls, 0-4 from the line
should we totally write him off?? im giving him the whole year to come u with the goods
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Last night's Snack stat line against Washington:
7 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 1 block, 3 turnovers, 3 fouls
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Last night's Snack stat line against Washington:
7 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 1 block, 3 turnovers, 3 fouls
horrible, and that was at home
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Today in a loss to the Pacers:
12 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers, 6 fouls. More fouls than rebounds. Again.
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Today in a loss to the Pacers:
12 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals, 1 block, 2 turnovers, 6 fouls. More fouls than rebounds. Again.
Again, that was at home, 12 points, what a disgrace, Will Riley ever go with mourning to start over Snack?? he should Zo got 4 blocks today.
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"I'm going to say about 89.6 percent."
Heat center Shaquille O'Neal, asked how close Dwyane Wade -- one month into his comeback from knee and shoulder surgeries -- is to playing at his peak level.
But that was Shaq's assessment after Wade's run of three successive 30-point games
and before Wade managed only 17 points (compared with eight turnovers) in a nationally televised loss to the Wizards on Thursday night.
After what Miami believed to be a breakthrough night in Phoenix earlier this week, O'Neal also said: "This game don't mean s--- if we go home and lose to Washington."
They did lose
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Again, that was at home, 12 points, what a disgrace, Will Riley ever go with mourning to start over Snack?? he should Zo got 4 blocks today.
It really is disgraceful. Can you really have a guy making $20 million on the bench? How does he sleep at night playing this poorly while making this kind of money?
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It really is disgraceful. Can you really have a guy making $20 million on the bench? How does he sleep at night playing this poorly while making this kind of money?
he must feel uncomfortable coming to training every day and realising the whole team knows his a fucking useless overpaid centre, Get alonzo in ASAP
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he must feel uncomfortable coming to training every day and realising the whole team knows his a fucking useless overpaid centre, Get alonzo in ASAP
Zo went down with an injury today. Trouble in Miami.
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Zo went down with an injury today. Trouble in Miami.
yeah i heard that, i say its over for sure now, zo was there when snack has foul trouble
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Shaq has fouled out in 4 straight games! the fat fuck cannot even play defense, it should of been him that got hurt and not Zo
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Shaq has fouled out in 4 straight games! the fat fuck cannot even play defense, it should of been him that got hurt and not Zo
Doh! No way. :o How did I miss that? :D
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In his last game against the Nets:
12 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 1 turnover, 6 fouls
Miami is headed for the lottery.
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In his last game against the Nets:
12 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 1 turnover, 6 fouls
Miami is headed for the lottery.
hopefully they do and we get the 1st pick!
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He fouled out again. ::) Wade hits a jumper at the buzzer to win the game.
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He's gettin sloppy, do you think he's got other things on his mind, or is just not motivated?
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He fouled out again. ::) Wade hits a jumper at the buzzer to win the game.
I can give him a pass on this since they won..
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He's gettin sloppy, do you think he's got other things on his mind, or is just not motivated?
he never gets motivated till the playoffs, it gets worse every year cause of his age/weight and wear and tear on his body, his got 4 rings and a few 100M so im not sure what motivation he has!
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I watched most of the Heat v. Cavs. Shaq looks awful. He can barely run up and down the floor. The only reason he didn't foul out this game was Riley left him on the bench with 5 fouls for about the last 4 or 5 minutes of the game. He is nothing more than a serviceable center, incapable of playing an entire game.
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I watched most of the Heat v. Cavs. Shaq looks awful. He can barely run up and down the floor. The only reason he didn't foul out this game was Riley left him on the bench with 5 fouls for about the last 4 or 5 minutes of the game. He is nothing more than a serviceable center, incapable of playing an entire game.
i saw it to, disgusting sloth, wade is going to be burnt out this year, riley yanked shaq out so he wouldnt set a record for being the player fouled out in consecutive games...time to buy this fat sloth out, he couldnt even defend a pick & roll
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i saw it to, disgusting sloth, wade is going to be burnt out this year, riley yanked shaq out so he wouldnt set a record for being the player fouled out in consecutive games...time to buy this fat sloth out, he couldnt even defend a pick & roll
I agree. They can't pay the guy 20 mil a year for this.
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Snack scored 5 points today. :o Had 10 rebounds, but no assists or blocks.
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Snack scored 5 points today. :o Had 10 rebounds, but no assists or blocks.
im lost for words. :-X :'(
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All of those consecutive off-seasons of balloning up to 350 pounds and trying to play himself back into shape have finally caught up to him. He's now finally realizing that at 35 years old, you can't afford to do that to your body. Shaq has always been lazy. Always. He always believed that because of his sheer size and strength, he afford to be lazy in the off season and not work hard on his game. His declining free throw percentage for the last 10 season straight illustrate that.
He was the most dominant center ever in his prime(next to Wilt and Russell). But he is absolutely stealing money at this point in his career. No question he will retire after this season. If he tries to play another year with another team, he'll be forced into retirement anyway because NOBODY will pay his asking price.
The sad thing is that if he lost about 50 additional pounds and didn't eat like a fat slob, he could still be a solid contributor. Probably average around 15-17 points and 10 rebounds, 2 blocks while playing 25 minutes a game.
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All of those consecutive off-seasons of balloning up to 350 pounds and trying to play himself back into shape have finally caught up to him. He's now finally realizing that at 35 years old, you can't afford to do that to your body. Shaq has always been lazy. Always. He always believed that because of his sheer size and strength, he afford to be lazy in the off season and not work hard on his game. His declining free throw percentage for the last 10 season straight illustrate that.
He was the most dominant center ever in his prime(next to Wilt and Russell). But he is absolutely stealing money at this point in his career. No question he will retire after this season. If he tries to play another year with another team, he'll be forced into retirement anyway because NOBODY will pay his asking price.
The sad thing is that if he lost about 50 additional pounds and didn't eat like a fat slob, he could still be a solid contributor. Probably average around 15-17 points and 10 rebounds, 2 blocks while playing 25 minutes a game.
shaq's a fat maggot, I'm really disappointed with him, he lets the team down, sure he makes $20M but how does he sleep at night knowing that every heat fan, nba analyst, heat management know his a fat lazy bitch, if he was averaging 16 pts 10rbs 2blks i wouldnt complain, But you can get them numbers from a guy that makes 5M a year...Go away shaq, retire now, may as well do it now then later when it gets worse....and No playoffs either
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Haha. Nice post. It's kind of sad to see him deteriorate like this. Most great players know when to retire without making an ass out of themselves. Reggie Miller comes to mind as of late.
But like I said, if Shaq committed himself to getting down to 290-300 pounds, he could produce in a big way. He has no agility or movement in the paint anymore. Beach Bum always points out how he has more fouls than rebounds and it's so true. He doesn't hustle and he barely tries to block shots.
Even at 35-36 years old he could still dominate in limited spurts if he had the dedication to staying in great shape.
It's pretty pathetic to see him sitting on the bench during critical stretches in the fourth quarter because of foul trouble. With that stupid scraggly chin strap beard and dopey look on his face. He's heart's just not in it anymore. He's just trying collect as much money as he can before retirement.
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Status Alert: Heat coach Pat Riley said he had no indication of when O'Neal (hip) will return to action, the Miami Herald reports. (Dec 30)
the fat fuck has sat out the last 2 games due to a hip injury, watch how this minor injury will become major and he'll sit out the year..I know this fat fuck to well
Miami Heat 8 Wins 23 losses.
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So Shaq comes back after being out with an injury and promptly fouls out. Heat lose by about 30 to the Bulls. Trouble in Miami . . . .
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The Heat have lost 13 in a row. :o
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In today's win against Golden State, Snack had 9 points, 4 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 3 turnovers and 5 fouls. More fouls than rebounds. Only played 14 minutes.
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What a class act. ::) I like Riley's response. Took the high road.
Riley bothered by Shaq's criticism of Heat players, staff
Associated Press
Updated: March 26, 2008, 8:37 PM ET
NEW YORK -- Pat Riley can't understand why Shaquille O'Neal keeps talking about the Miami Heat.
Riley responded to O'Neal's criticisms Wednesday with some of his own, saying his former center was wrong to disparage some of his old teammates and trainers in a Boston Globe story.
"It's sad that he says those things. We shared so much here, together, for three years, good and bad, 3½ years," Riley said, referring specifically to the Heat's 2006 NBA title. "I just think it's sad that he's got to do that."
Riley dealt O'Neal to Phoenix before the trade deadline, allowing the 36-year-old center the chance to compete for another title instead of sticking around Miami for a last-place finish. O'Neal made it clear how much he prefers his new teammates.
"I love playing for this coach and I love playing with these guys," O'Neal told the Globe. "We have professionals who know what to do. No one is asking me to play with Chris Quinn or Ricky Davis. I'm actually on a team again."
Riley said he doesn't have "anything but good feelings for Shaq" and wasn't bothered by any criticism leveled at him. But he said O'Neal has no reason to blame anyone else in the organization for his unhappiness.
"When you're 9-40, we're all frustrated. I mean everybody's at fault, we all were. Everybody was feeling bad and nobody wants that," Riley said.
"He didn't want to be there, he didn't want to play for that kind of situation, 35 years old. He wanted to go to a contender and we sent him there. We sent him to Utopia and we're left here with the carnage and I don't know why he's not happy."
Riley also defended the work of veteran trainer Ron Culp and the team's medical staff, saying O'Neal was out of line to speak poorly of them.
"It's really a shame that he would insult those people like that because they gave him care. They cared," Riley said. "They didn't kiss his butt. They cared about him.
"He can do whatever he wants to do to me. That's OK, I don't care. But those men, they tried. ... That upsets me more than anything."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3314347
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O'Neal made it clear how much he prefers his new teammates.
"I love playing for this coach and I love playing with these guys," O'Neal told the Globe. "We have professionals who know what to do. No one is asking me to play with Chris Quinn or Ricky Davis. I'm actually on a team again."
Now you know i'm going to have to defend the Shaq..Riley destroyed the Team last year, he let Eddie Jones, Damon jones (the year before) , Kapono and posey go, then they brought in Ricky davis, smush parker and quinn...c'mon now only isiah thomas could of made worst decisions..I agree with Shaq even though its without class but its true! Miami is full of bums, even shawn marion has been seating out games
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Now you know i'm going to have to defend the Shaq..Riley destroyed the Team last year, he let Eddie Jones, Damon jones (the year before) , Kapono and posey go, then they brought in Ricky davis, smush parker and quinn...c'mon now only isiah thomas could of made worst decisions..I agree with Shaq even though its without class but its true! Miami is full of bums, even shawn marion has been seating out games
Yeah he's right, but he needs to keep those comments to himself. Plus he quit in Miami.
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Yeah he's right, but he needs to keep those comments to himself. Plus he quit in Miami.
shaq gives up everywhere, he only plays half a season, but he is rebounding!
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Shaq's starting to string together some pretty good games. He's rebounding a lot more effectively and he's hustling.
The trade to Phoenix has definitely motivated him. Come playoff time, they'll be a handful to deal with.
The win against the Spurs a couple of weeks ago was impressive. Stoudemire's a beast! :o
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Stoudemire's a beast! :o
On offense.
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He's consistent on defense also. He averages almost 9.5 boards and over two blocks a game. He's a 4 player now with Shaq in the lineup so he can't risk picking up cheap fouls early.
No, he's not a dominant defensive player but why risk getting such an offensively talented player into foul trouble by playing balls-out D??
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He's consistent on defense also. He averages almost 9.5 boards and over two blocks a game. He's a 4 player now with Shaq in the lineup so he can't risk picking up cheap fouls early.
No, he's not a dominant defensive player but why risk getting such an offensively talented player into foul trouble by playing balls-out D??
I'd say he's a pretty average defender. Rebounds don't really give any indication of how well a player plays on D.
The only person on that team who really plays D is Bell. That's part of the reason I can't see them coming out of the West.
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I'd say he's a pretty average defender. Rebounds don't really give any indication of how well a player plays on D.
The only person on that team who really plays D is Bell. That's part of the reason I can't see them coming out of the West.
after the last 2 losses, i cant see em doing much damage!....and I'm a suns fan
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I'd say he's a pretty average defender. Rebounds don't really give any indication of how well a player plays on D.
The only person on that team who really plays D is Bell. That's part of the reason I can't see them coming out of the West.
So true. Amare doesn't move his feet well on d (I wonder why), depends too much on his athleticism to make plays. Is fundamentally unsound at times, doesn't like to body up to big post players. Yeah, I'd say he is average on d.
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Amare had 41 points and 14 rebounds last night and is now a very strong MVP candidate.
I don't think Amare is average at anything, guys.
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amare is on fire!!! his destroying teams, shaq has helped him alot, his like the kobe of power forwards, suns need defense and they will be sweet.
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So true. Amare doesn't move his feet well on d (I wonder why), depends too much on his athleticism to make plays. Is fundamentally unsound at times, doesn't like to body up to big post players. Yeah, I'd say he is average on d.
Agreed.
He is way above average on whining that he doesn't get any respect though ::)
Friggin' Prima Dona
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I also forgot he ducks under on screen rolls giving the 1 or 2 an easy jumper. Gotta fight through that screen, son.
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Not surprised.
Reporter: Shaq ran Van Gundy off
Posted: Tuesday April 01, 2008 05:33AM ET
An on-line reporter who regularly covers the Magic maintained Stan Van Gundy's exit had nothing to do with Pat Riley and everything to do with Shaquille O'Neal, who didn't appreciate being jerked in and out, especially in the pivotal minutes of tight games. "Shaq often disrespected Stan," the reporter disclosed. "Sometimes it was done playfully. More likely it was meant contemptuously." And it was loud enough so everyone could hear - teammates, the media, courtside fans, anybody within earshot. That season, while on the inactive list, Shaq was making snide and insensitive comments on the bench and during timeouts. The senselessness of trying to coach Shaq was not lost on Van Gundy. What rubbed him the rawest? It may very well have been the nickname. Nobody's more adept (mocking) at branding people, including himself. According to the reporter, Shaq would refer to Van Gundy as porn star Ron Jeremy, whom he strongly resembles, at least from the neck up.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba?page=3
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Heat staff: Shaq's a phony baby
Posted: Sunday March 30, 2008 09:14AM ET
Among words used by Heat people to describe Shaquille O'Neal, who lashed out at the team last week: ''a phony,'' a ''big baby'' and unprintable expletives. Although O'Neal has taken shots at the medical staff for treatment of his injuries, there was sentiment among players before Shaq's departure that he was mailing it in. And although O'Neal took a shot at Ricky Davis, the irony is that he advocated the deal that brought Davis and Mark Blount here for Antoine Walker, a Heat official said.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba?page=5
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Heat staff: Shaq's a phony baby
Posted: Sunday March 30, 2008 09:14AM ET
Among words used by Heat people to describe Shaquille O'Neal, who lashed out at the team last week: ''a phony,'' a ''big baby'' and unprintable expletives. Although O'Neal has taken shots at the medical staff for treatment of his injuries, there was sentiment among players before Shaq's departure that he was mailing it in. And although O'Neal took a shot at Ricky Davis, the irony is that he advocated the deal that brought Davis and Mark Blount here for Antoine Walker, a Heat official said.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba?page=5
cmon BB, there just rumours that make that site more interesting..(its true, but im denying it"
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Today's Snack stat line vs. the Suns in game 1 of the playoffs (30 minutes of double overtime game):
11 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 4 blocks, 4 turnovers, 5 fouls. As many fouls as rebounds. Plus he was pulled with 6 minutes to go after the Spurs started hack-a-Shaq and he missed 3 straight FTs.
But he actually played a decent game. Looked like a solid bench player, not a 20 mil a year player.
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Today's Snack stat line vs. the Suns in game 1 of the playoffs (30 minutes of double overtime game):
11 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 4 blocks, 4 turnovers, 5 fouls. As many fouls as rebounds. Plus he was pulled with 6 minutes to go after the Spurs started hack-a-Shaq and he missed 3 straight FTs.
But he actually played a decent game. Looked like a solid bench player, not a 20 mil a year player.
This is his role. He was brought in to beat the Spurs.
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This is his role. He was brought in to beat the Spurs.
And the Lakers. But a $20 mil a year role player? Sheesh.
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Today's Snack stat line vs. the Suns in game 1 of the playoffs (30 minutes of double overtime game):
11 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 4 blocks, 4 turnovers, 5 fouls. As many fouls as rebounds. Plus he was pulled with 6 minutes to go after the Spurs started hack-a-Shaq and he missed 3 straight FTs.
But he actually played a decent game. Looked like a solid bench player, not a 20 mil a year player.
man you really know how to make me feel better, as if losing a close game like this wasnt enough
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man you really know how to make me feel better, as if losing a close game like this wasnt enough
lol. Sorry dude. Just trying to keep my thread alive. :D Still a long way to go in this series.
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And the Lakers. But a $20 mil a year role player? Sheesh.
beach bum you know i got nothing but love and respect for you, but when it comes to the playoffs we have to put that aside and just talk facts
Shaq's getting 20M is his contract, whether he deserves it or not its the law, dont get mad at him, blame the players association and the NBA that enforces it, and his $20M contract is nothing compared to what the suns will draw from season tickets, TV broadcasting, merchandise sales etc, trust me $20M for a NBA owner is nothing, thats easily recouped.
Shaq's stat line sucks, but he changes the game alot, he changes shots and defenses and wears out the centres and forwards
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beach bum you know i got nothing but love and respect for you, but when it comes to the playoffs we have to put that aside and just talk facts
Shaq's getting 20M is his contract, whether he deserves it or not its the law, dont get mad at him, blame the players association and the NBA that enforces it, and his $20M contract is nothing compared to what the suns will draw from season tickets, TV broadcasting, merchandise sales etc, trust me $20M for a NBA owner is nothing, thats easily recouped.
Shaq's stat line sucks, but he changes the game alot, he changes shots and defenses and wears out the centres and forwards
I hear what you're saying. I'm not saying he's worthless. Just saying he's a shell of his former self, but still making former self money. This is what $20 mil a year should get you:
51 minutes, 40 points, 15 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, 3 blocks, 4 turnovers, 3 fouls, and the game-tying 3 pointer in OT.
Tim Duncan.
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I hear what you're saying. I'm not saying he's worthless. Just saying he's a shell of his former self, but still making former self money. This is what $20 mil a year should get you:
51 minutes, 40 points, 15 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, 3 blocks, 4 turnovers, 3 fouls, and the game-tying 3 pointer in OT.
Tim Duncan.
Thanks beach bum, that made me feel much better, you should be a counsellor
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Thanks beach bum, that made me feel much better, you should be a counsellor
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Don't do it Quick. http://suicidehotlines.com/ :D
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i cant help it, i was watching ESPN review the game, broke my spirit, the funny things is i banged a real fine broad last night, made huge cash last week at work, one of the best weeks of my life then this, i'd trade it all for a win. :'( good luck with the lakers tomorrw Beach.
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The Suns got what they deserved. They traded prime and athleticism for past-prime and bulk.
Spurs in 7.
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The sun sets another Snack season. His line in the 92-87 loss to the Spurs in game 5 of the playoffs:
29 minutes, 13 points, 9 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 3 blocks, 2 turnovers, 5 fouls. He was 2-8 from the field and 9 for 20 from the line. He missed 11 free throws and his team loses by 5. Watch how many sports channels/sites make that connection. ::)
How on earth do the Suns pay him $20 mil next year?
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The sun sets another Snack season. His line in the 92-87 loss to the Spurs in game 5 of the playoffs:
29 minutes, 13 points, 9 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 3 blocks, 2 turnovers, 5 fouls. He was 2-8 from the field and 9 for 20 from the line. He missed 11 free throws and his team loses by 5. Watch how many sports channels/sites make that connection. ::)
How on earth do the Suns pay him $20 mil next year?
Ok beach bum enough is enough :D
We all know Shaq aint worth $20M or even $7M, itis the contract, the suns have to pay it, there legally bound to it, his agent set the price to miami and they accepted, every nba fan, even shaq fan knows his hot garbage now, so why the fuck would the suns just off Marion and take shaq, surely someone in Suns administration knows shaq is pathetic and overpaid.....but...but and here's the kicker they still took him,the contract was no suprise, everyone knows what his worth and what he is going to earn,
so the suns cant say "fuck, we got to pay him 20M!" bad luck to them, it was a bad investment, perhaps a buyout, but i know shaq wouldnt go for it
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Now the coach is not coming bank next season too.
Time for the Suns to go in a new direction. They're stuck with Shaq for at least another season. Shaq's pride won't allow him to retire and he won't accept a buyout. Their best bet is make a trade for another perimeter scorer and decent defender. For example, if both Shaq and Marion would have played for the Suns this year, the Suns could've made to the finals. I really believe that but they had to give up one player in order to get the other.
I would trade Boris Diaw and their low 1st round pick to a team for a good small foward who can score and defend. Nash will be 35 years old next season and will start to slow down. He will play at least 5 minutes less per game next season.
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Shaq and Marion would have played for the Suns this year, the Suns could've made to the finals.
I love the positivity, unfortunately shaq is finished, his going to be slower next season, which means more fouls, and there is no way has anymore motivation left.
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With apologies to my boy Quick, this thread must rise from the ashes. ;D
Shaq slapped with temporary restraining order
From Staff Reports
Its been a controversial summer for Shaquille ONeal.
He has been caught on YouTube for disparaging former teammate Kobe Bryant during an impromptu rap performance. Then came news that he wanted to reconcile with his wife, Shaunie, whom he divorced in 2007.
Now, the Suns center has been slapped with a temporary restraining order by hip hot artist Alexis Miller known professionally as Maryjane the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported today.
Miller filed the restraining order in Atlanta with Fulton County Superior Court, alleging that ONeal stalked her, threatened her with bodily harm and made harassing phone calls in which he breathed heavily into the phone before hanging up.
The Journal Constitution reported that Miller, 23, claimed she ended an intimate relationship with ONeal last month. She alleged he then threatened to pay performers $50,000 each not to work with her.
Its been very difficult for her, L. David Wolfe, Millers Atlanta-based attorney, told the Journal Constitution. Her fears are not only for herself but also the people around her. He said Miller, who has a young son, is pretty traumatized.
Wolfe said ONeal, 36, still had not been served the legal paperwork as of early Friday afternoon. ONeals agent, Perry Rogers, did not return three phone messages from the Journal Constitution left at his office Friday afternoon. Officials with the Suns couldnt be reached for comment.
Under terms of the temporary restraining order, ONeal is prohibited from having any contact or coming within 200 yards of Miller or her 19-month-old son. ONeal, who resides in Florida, is not the father of the child, Wolfe said.
Both parties are scheduled to appear before Fulton County Superior Court Judge Karen Woodson on Sept. 4 to determine whether the restrictions should remain.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/123808
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With apologies to my boy Quick, this thread must rise from the ashes. ;D
Shaq slapped with temporary restraining order
From Staff Reports
Its been a controversial summer for Shaquille ONeal.
He has been caught on YouTube for disparaging former teammate Kobe Bryant during an impromptu rap performance. Then came news that he wanted to reconcile with his wife, Shaunie, whom he divorced in 2007.
Now, the Suns center has been slapped with a temporary restraining order by hip hot artist Alexis Miller known professionally as Maryjane the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported today.
Miller filed the restraining order in Atlanta with Fulton County Superior Court, alleging that ONeal stalked her, threatened her with bodily harm and made harassing phone calls in which he breathed heavily into the phone before hanging up.
The Journal Constitution reported that Miller, 23, claimed she ended an intimate relationship with ONeal last month. She alleged he then threatened to pay performers $50,000 each not to work with her.
Its been very difficult for her, L. David Wolfe, Millers Atlanta-based attorney, told the Journal Constitution. Her fears are not only for herself but also the people around her. He said Miller, who has a young son, is pretty traumatized.
Wolfe said ONeal, 36, still had not been served the legal paperwork as of early Friday afternoon. ONeals agent, Perry Rogers, did not return three phone messages from the Journal Constitution left at his office Friday afternoon. Officials with the Suns couldnt be reached for comment.
Under terms of the temporary restraining order, ONeal is prohibited from having any contact or coming within 200 yards of Miller or her 19-month-old son. ONeal, who resides in Florida, is not the father of the child, Wolfe said.
Both parties are scheduled to appear before Fulton County Superior Court Judge Karen Woodson on Sept. 4 to determine whether the restrictions should remain.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/123808
Whats up beach Bum?? how are you man?
That story reeks for lies and tales, Shaq is back with the wife now, and watch this bitch sue shaq or try..
Im still going to Try support the suns this season, i have a feeling that O'neal will retire due to injury
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Whats up beach Bum?? how are you man?
That story reeks for lies and tales, Shaq is back with the wife now, and watch this bitch sue shaq or try..
Im still going to Try support the suns this season, i have a feeling that O'neal will retire due to injury
It's all good mang. How are you?
I usually give guys the benefit of the doubt in stories like these, but Shaq doesn't take rejection well.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if he retires. He clearly cannot play a full season and isn't going to put the Suns over the top in the West.
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It's all good mang. How are you?
I usually give guys the benefit of the doubt in stories like these, but Shaq doesn't take rejection well.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if he retires. He clearly cannot play a full season and isn't going to put the Suns over the top in the West.
The Suns know they stuffed up when they got Shaq, I'ts like me buying a pair of Nikes for $250 and I'ts worn out, thats what Shaq is, a worn out shoe but with the same price tag as the new one.
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The Suns know they stuffed up when they got Shaq, I'ts like me buying a pair of Nikes for $250 and I'ts worn out, thats what Shaq is, a worn out shoe but with the same price tag as the new one.
Yeah. I don't know what film they were watching before the trade. He was done long before that trade. They should have kept Marion.
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Yeah. I don't know what film they were watching before the trade. He was done long before that trade. They should have kept Marion.
I think it was a "Hail Mary" on the Suns part, Marion would not have made a difference to the Suns anyhow and his contract is up there too.
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With apologies to Quick . . . it's baaaack. :D
Yesterday's Snack stat line against the Hornets in game 2 of the season, without Chandler (the Hornets' starting center):
22 minutes, 8 points, 8 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 1 block, and 4 fouls.
Does he finish the season?
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So much hate on Shaq. His skills may have eroded, but he still has a lot of value to the Suns. You can't teach size and Shaq definitely has that. His mere presence in the paint offsets a lot of opposing offensive gameplans.
He can still give you good numbers every other night. Come playoff time, he can still contribute as long he doesn't play major minutes during the regular season.
Think about..how many NBA teams have an actual center, let alone someone with his sheer size?
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So much hate on Shaq. His skills may have eroded, but he still has a lot of value to the Suns. You can't teach size and Shaq definitely has that. His mere presence in the paint offsets a lot of opposing offensive gameplans.
He can still give you good numbers every other night. Come playoff time, he can still contribute as long he doesn't play major minutes during the regular season.
Think about..how many NBA teams have an actual center, let alone someone with his sheer size?
I think the first question should be which other center, or any other player, is making $21 million this year? Yes Shaq can give you a good quarter or two about every other game. It's true he is still probably the biggest guy in the league. But he's not worth $21 million and isn't playing anywhere near up to the level of his salary. The Suns will not win a championship with Shaq at center. He will get hurt at some point this season and miss at least 20 games.
Off the top of my head, there are probably only about 4 or 5 really good centers in the NBA, so even though you can put Shaq in the top 10, that really isn't saying much. He's done.
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I think the first question should be which other center, or any other player, is making $21 million this year? Yes Shaq can give you a good quarter or two about every other game. It's true he is still probably the biggest guy in the league. But he's not worth $21 million and isn't playing anywhere near up to the level of his salary. The Suns will not win a championship with Shaq at center. He will get hurt at some point this season and miss at least 20 games.
Off the top of my head, there are probably only about 4 or 5 really good centers in the NBA, so even though you can put Shaq in the top 10, that really isn't saying much. He's done.
I totally agree about the overpaid part but he's still valuable in this league even in the twilight of his career.
He looks like he's in better shape and he's not playing too bad to start out the year. Had 16 pts,8 rebounds, and 1 block in 30 minutes in last night's win. Only three fouls.
He plays well with Stoudemire and I think he's extra motivated this year to prove the doubters wrong. Miami was a totally different situation and he wanted out of there fast. We'll see how he does this year with a full season in Phoenix. I think it's reasonable for him to average a double/double this year as long as he's playing 25-30 minutes a night.
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I totally agree about the overpaid part but he's still valuable in this league even in the twilight of his career.
He looks like he's in better shape and he's not playing too bad to start out the year. Had 16 pts,8 rebounds, and 1 block in 30 minutes in last night's win. Only three fouls.
He plays well with Stoudemire and I think he's extra motivated this year to prove the doubters wrong. Miami was a totally different situation and he wanted out of there fast. We'll see how he does this year with a full season in Phoenix. I think it's reasonable for him to average a double/double this year as long as he's playing 25-30 minutes a night.
I agree he'll average a double/double this year. He'll give them some good minutes. But how will he do against Bynum, Oden, Duncan, Chandler, and Yao? I'm really interested to see how he plays against all of them.
Part of the problem is Shaq isn't a great defender and the Suns have one guy (Bell) who can play defense. Add to that the fact his offensive game has fallen way off and you have a shell of the former most dominant player in the NBA.
I will be shocked if he plays a full season without injury.
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The Diesel's stat line for last night's win against the Nets:
24 min 18 pts. 6 rebs. 2 blks. 3 fouls and 4-5 from the free throw line.
I'm telling you he's energized and ready to help the Suns win this year. yeah, he's overpaid but he least he's giving effort. He seems very motivated this year.
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The Diesel's stat line for last night's win against the Nets:
24 min 18 pts. 6 rebs. 2 blks. 3 fouls and 4-5 from the free throw line.
I'm telling you he's energized and ready to help the Suns win this year. yeah, he's overpaid but he least he's giving effort. He seems very motivated this year.
Don't forget the 5 turnovers. Let's see how he does tonight against the Pacers, with Nesterovic out of the lineup.
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It was Amare's night tonight. 49 points and 11 rebounds. Damn!
Shaq left early because of foul trouble.
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12 minutes, 3 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 0 blocks, and 4 fouls. More fouls than points. Repeating the 2007 pattern.
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One game, Beach. he's definitely going to be more productive this year than with the Heat.
Why do you hate this guy so much? Without him, your Lakers never would have won those three titles in 2000,2001, and 2002. In his prime, he was the most dominating force in the NBA and the reason you won those three titles.
Kobe was complimentary during those years. Shaq was the superstar on that team at the time those titles were won. I know that you disagree with that, but's it true. Those were Shaq's teams, not Kobe's.
He took an Orlando magic team on his back to the NBA finals at age 23 in 1996.
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One game, Beach. he's definitely going to be more productive this year than with the Heat.
Why do you hate this guy so much? Without him, your Lakers never would have won those three titles in 2000,2001, and 2002. In his prime, he was the most dominating force in the NBA and the reason you won those three titles.
Kobe was complimentary during those years. Shaq was the superstar on that team at the time those titles were won. I know that you disagree with that, but's it true. Those were Shaq's teams, not Kobe's.
He took an Orlando magic team on his back to the NBA finals at age 23 in 1996.
Yeah just one game, but what it shows is a pattern from the past couple years, last year in particular, when he rarely put good back-to-back games together. He hardly puts in a solid four quarters anymore. Just go back and read this thread and youll see how inconsistent he has been.
I don't hate him. I loved what he did for the Lakers. He was the most dominating center in the NBA. The Lakers wouldn't have won without him, Kobe, and Phil. You can call it Shaq's team, Kobe's team, Phil's team etc., but no way do they win without all three. It was Kobe playing lock down D and Kobe often carrying the team in the fourth quarter.
What I don't like and never did was his work ethic (he is lazy), his lack of defense, his childish attitude (which has actually improved a lot), and his selfishness. Selfish players don't play defense. They also refuse to work on weaknesses in their game. I wish someone would do an analysis of how many games his teams have lost because he missed so many FTs.
He would show up fat and out-of-shape every year. Do you recall when he was injured in the off season and waited till the start of the next season to have surgery? He said he got hurt on company time and would rehab on company time. How can you (not you personally) respect someone with that kind of attitude?
Also, we almost lost Kobe because of him. I think they're both responsible for the breakup, but Shaq is primarily to blame IMO.
Look at what he did in Miami. The Heat won a championship in spite of, not because of, Shaq and then he throws them under the bus. They were actually happy to see him go.
What he should do is give back half his salary because he's only half the player he once was. Definitely not earning his check.
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Last night's Snack stat line in a loss to Utah: 32 minutes, 9 points, 1 rebound, 5 assists, 0 steals, 3 blocks, 3 turnovers, and 4 fouls.
More fouls than rebounds again.
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That was hilarious!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Hahahahahaha! ;D
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I think the first question should be which other center, or any other player, is making $21 million this year? Yes Shaq can give you a good quarter or two about every other game. It's true he is still probably the biggest guy in the league. But he's not worth $21 million and isn't playing anywhere near up to the level of his salary. The Suns will not win a championship with Shaq at center. He will get hurt at some point this season and miss at least 20 games.
Off the top of my head, there are probably only about 4 or 5 really good centers in the NBA, so even though you can put Shaq in the top 10, that really isn't saying much. He's done.
there are many players in this league who are over paid. Yes shaq is really over paid at this point but, i think he can be very valuable still in late in the season and in the playoffs.
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there are many players in this league who are over paid. Yes shaq is really over paid at this point but, i think he can be very valuable still in late in the season and in the playoffs.
I agree he can be valuable in spurts. I doubt that will be enough to put the Suns over the hump.
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I agree he can be valuable in spurts. I doubt that will be enough to put the Suns over the hump.
even if they got rid of Shaq and got marion back i don think they could do it. i like nash though, one of the best.
hows them Bows? still back'in McMac'in?
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even if they got rid of Shaq and got marion back i don think they could do it. i like nash though, one of the best.
hows them Bows? still back'in McMac'in?
I don't think they would win a championship with Marion either, but they were a better team with Marion.
Frustrating season for the Warriors. I think we have to give Mac a few years. Hard to evaluate a coach until he has a roster of his own players. I really like what he has done so far with recruiting. Did you know we already have about 20 of 25 commits? That never happened with June.
I'm not convinced Ron Lee can run the offense. He has been pretty bad. Play calling has been terrible. We need to upgrade the WR group. Need a RB or two. Our OTs stink.
They're finally going to start Mouton at FS. Must have gotten my memo. :) Got tired of our DBs giving up 70 and 80 yard plays. Mouton is going to be a first day pick IMO. Veikune too.
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Now why did ESPN put this headline and picture on their front page? lol . . . .
The Big Brick
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Story: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=ShaqFTs-081218
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Big Shaq Diesel had a hell of a game last night. Damn!
Points: 45
Reb: 11
Ast: 2
Stl: 3
Blk: 1
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Yeah I read his stat line against Bargnani (sp). Not impressed. I did watch the Lakers v. Suns on Thursday. He was guarded by Gasol (outweighs him by 100 pounds):
12 points
7 rebounds
0 assists
2 blocks
2 turnovers
2 fouls
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Yeah I read his stat line against Bargnani (sp). Not impressed. I did watch the Lakers v. Suns on Thursday. He was guarded by Gasol (outweighs him by 100 pounds):
12 points
7 rebounds
0 assists
2 blocks
2 turnovers
2 fouls
beach bum, my arch enemy (hahah) if shaq gets atleast 20 touches a game he would average 28 pts easy, his rebounding is horrible though.
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beach bum, my arch enemy (hahah) if shaq gets atleast 20 touches a game he would average 28 pts easy, his rebounding is horrible though.
lol. Wassuuuup. :) Snack has ruined my thread for like two months now. He has been playing very well. He didn't get enough touches against the Lakers on Thursday. They play again on Sunday, but I'm going to miss the game. :'(
He does not fit in the run-and-gun Suns O. They should have kept Marion.
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He does not fit in the run-and-gun Suns O. They should have kept Marion.
either way suns are not winning anything, the lakers and spurs own them, shaq is good in spurts, was great to see him dominate against the raptors , even though it was only the raptors.
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either way suns are not winning anything, the lakers and spurs own them, shaq is good in spurts, was great to see him dominate against the raptors , even though it was only the raptors.
Yeah unfortunately for you they are done. No way they win without Stoudamire.
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Yeah unfortunately for you they are done. No way they win without Stoudamire.
with or without him there done, stoudamire is the laziest defender i have ever seen, shaq, grant hill and nash are over 35, no way they have the legs to compete the kobes and lebrons not to mention tony longoria
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Shaq scores 33 points against the Lakers. Big win and very suprising without Nash. I think Phoenix has a great shot at getting the 8th seed with Gentry allowing the Suns to play more wide open and save defense for the fourth quarter.
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this is to good to be true, 45 points then 33 points, wow..when you get paid $20M it should be nightly.
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it took kobe 38 shots to get 49 points, it took shaq 18 shots to get 33 points
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Yeah but Kobe looked much better getting his. :) Good win by the Suns. Good battle. Shaq looked very good.
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Still a horrible rebounder. 7 rebounds? He definitely waits for the ball to come to him off of missed shots rather than positioning himself.
Lazy. But the guy is 37. It's funny that his highest rebounding year was his rookie year in 1992. 13.8 per game.
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Snack to the Cavs? Do it Steve Kerr! Do it! :)
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he should retire already.
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Snack to the Cavs? Do it Steve Kerr! Do it! :)
You're stuck with that fat ass ;D
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You're stuck with that fat ass ;D
Not me dude. I'm a Lakers fan. You must be talking about my boy Quick. :D
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Not me dude. I'm a Lakers fan. You must be talking about my boy Quick. :D
Not anymore Beach, Im officially a lakers fan, i invested thousands in them this season and they came through, Shaq was the reason i started following the NBA but obviously his time has come and gone.
Shaq will push for a trade and be motivated for 5 games then he will average 6 rebounds and 5 fouls, this season will most likely end his career..37, overweight and he will be a third option = failure
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Not anymore Beach, Im officially a lakers fan, i invested thousands in them this season and they came through, Shaq was the reason i started following the NBA but obviously his time has come and gone.
Shaq will push for a trade and be motivated for 5 games then he will average 6 rebounds and 5 fouls, this season will most likely end his career..37, overweight and he will be a third option = failure
Sweeeet. Welcome aboard. :)
I agree about Shaq. He had a very good season (screwed up my whole thread :)), but I just can't see him putting together a solid season and long playoff run. If he couldn't win with Stoudamire, Nash, Jason Richardson, and Grant Hill, then I really don't believe he can do much with LeBron and that cast.
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shaq is embarassing himself, dude is a journeyman now, trying to latch on to a team has championship hopes, I hate those kind of players, malone and payton did it , payton succeeded.
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I wanna see Hong Man Choi dismantle him.
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I'm sensing a pattern here. Didn't get along with Penny. Didn't get along with Kobe. Quit on his Miami teammates, who talked stink about him. Now this?
Shaq & Nash can't co-exist in Phoenix
Shaquille O'Neal takes nothing seriously. It's his blessing and his curse. It's why he can entertain millions of fans with his comedy, dancing and critical observations. It's why he can miss more than 5,100 free throws in his career and never win a rebounding title. It's part of the reason why Steve Nash met with general manager Steve Kerr in New York on Thursday, as the point guard wants some roster assurances before moving forward with a contract extension. The problem isn't a personality clash. It's that Nash and O'Neal can't co-exist on the court. You could not piece together a worse combination to defend the pick-and-roll, one of the most elementary plays in the NBA. It's one of the glaring flaws in this basketball team, and for that and other reasons, O'Neal must be traded in the coming months.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/107092?eref=sircrc&eref=fromSI
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I haven't seen the Big Fattie in days. Is he still playing? :D
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I haven't seen the Big Fattie in days. Is he still playing? :D
lol
his out for the year, will be back playoff time.
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lol
his out for the year, will be back playoff time.
Snack is missing extended playing time due to injury? Now I didn't see THAT one coming. :)
Seriously, he will help in the playoff run, especially when Ilgaskous (sp?) comes back. What a shame "trade" that was.
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Playoffs are right around the corner and The Big Fattie is nowhere in sight.
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Playoffs are right around the corner and The Big Fattie is nowhere in sight.
(http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/fat_albert%20300.jpg)
he will be there, out of condition and out of shape.
Cavs are a lock for the east.
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he will be there, out of condition and out of shape.
Cavs are a lock for the east.
You think so? I'm not convinced they get past Boston or Orlando. I even think Atlanta can give them problems.
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You think so? I'm not convinced they get past Boston or Orlando. I even think Atlanta can give them problems.
Cavs have the lebron factor, he will get the opposing team in foul trouble by the 3rd quarter.
how bout them lakers, bad time of year to be slumping
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Cavs have the lebron factor, he will get the opposing team in foul trouble by the 3rd quarter.
how bout them lakers, bad time of year to be slumping
The Cavs really don't impress me. Same as last year. LeBron has been great, but his game is still limited IMO. He doesn't have consistent rage on his J, isn't consistent at the FT line, and isn't a closer. But he does get the Jordan treatment by the refs.
My Lakers are playing like dog poop. :-\
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The Cavs really don't impress me. Same as last year. LeBron has been great, but his game is still limited IMO. He doesn't have consistent rage on his J, isn't consistent at the FT line, and isn't a closer. But he does get the Jordan treatment by the refs.
My Lakers are playing like dog poop. :-\
ofcourse BB u bring up valid facts, and hey its his last year, he may just coast and get ready for his new max contract and go elsewhere, but lebron is a one man army, if he plays well then the cavs will, and if mo shoots ok and shaq does not foul out within 10mins then the cavs have a shot.
to be honest i havent followed the nba as of late, but do know playoffs are here so will be paying more attention.
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ofcourse BB u bring up valid facts, and hey its his last year, he may just coast and get ready for his new max contract and go elsewhere, but lebron is a one man army, if he plays well then the cavs will, and if mo shoots ok and shaq does not foul out within 10mins then the cavs have a shot.
to be honest i havent followed the nba as of late, but do know playoffs are here so will be paying more attention.
Shaq was actually playing pretty well before he got hurt.
I haven't been able to watch every Laker game like past seasons, but they're not nearly as consistent this year. They're in cruise control. Missing Bynum has hurt. Kobe playing with a broken finger on his shooting had for most of the season hasn't helped either.
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Shaq was actually playing pretty well before he got hurt.
I haven't been able to watch every Laker game like past seasons, but they're not nearly as consistent this year. They're in cruise control. Missing Bynum has hurt. Kobe playing with a broken finger on his shooting had for most of the season hasn't helped either.
Shaq needs to retire, how much $$ can one man make.
if the cavs dont advance to the finals, Shaq should just leave.
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Shaq needs to retire, how much $$ can one man make.
if the cavs dont advance to the finals, Shaq should just leave.
Shaq is also paying for a divorce!! :o
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Shaq is also paying for a divorce!! :o
But i swore they got back together again...i dont really follow the behind the scenes stuff with there lives.
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But i swore they got back together again...i dont really follow the behind the scenes stuff with there lives.
You know that Ho will take half of what he has. >:(
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You know that Ho will take half of what he has. >:(
Shaqs dumb, lol, she cheated on him and she gets half hahaa, shaq deserves it for missing all those free throws in his career.
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Shaqs dumb, lol, she cheated on him and she gets half hahaa, shaq deserves it for missing all those free throws in his career.
Dude won four titles
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Dude won four titles
he did, shaqs a legend, dont get me wrong, i was a fan since the Orlando days when i was a kid, i would cry when he lost the game by missing free throws...i became a NBA fan cause of the Shaq attack look at him now, a fucken journeyman, attaching himself to teams they he thinks has a shot of winning, no need for that.
watch this video, remember this shaq
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The Snack stat line in games 1 and 2 of the Cavs v. Celtics series:
Game 1
20 min., 11 points, 4 rebounds, 0 steals, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 1 turnover, 5 fouls (more fouls than rebounds)
Game 2
19 min., 9 points, 4 rebounds, 0 steals, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 1 turnover, 1 foul
His 2010 salary: $21 million.
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The last Snack stat line of the season:
11 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 1 turnover, 5 fouls. Again, more fouls than rebounds.
The most overpaid athlete on planet earth in 2010.
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The last Snack stat line of the season:
11 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 1 turnover, 5 fouls. Again, more fouls than rebounds.
The most overpaid athlete on planet earth in 2010.
He just looks like he wants a Donut!
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Was that Shaq or Flozell on the TV last night?
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He just looks like he wants a Donut!
He needs to hang up the jersey nice run though
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He needs to hang up the jersey nice run though
I can see him working at a 7-11 and handing out some Donuts and Coffee. 8)
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I can see him working at a 7-11 and handing out some Donuts and Coffee. 8)
and giving change to crackheads ;D
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He just looks like he wants a Donut!
lol :)
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He needs to hang up the jersey nice run though
He is welcome to come to LA for a free ring and to mentor Bynum!
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I can see him working at a 7-11 and handing out some Donuts and Coffee. 8)
He'd have the same "problem" Smokey had on FRIDAY! Craig "What I trippin of is how can you sell bud if you always smokin it?" Smokey "I don't know that's my only problem" Craig "Worms gonna end up fuk'n you up!"
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He is welcome to come to LA for a free ring and to mentor Bynum!
Hell bring him back to LA reg Bynum needs to go...
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Hell bring him back to LA reg Bynum needs to go...
Bynums going nowhere.....he's a long term project.
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Bynums going nowhere.....he's a long term project.
Why he aint bringing no game reg
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Why he aint bringing no game reg
Just imagine Shaq at a Waffle House!! :D
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Why he aint bringing no game reg
As long as he gets rebounds on both sides of the court, he's going his job. But the size he adds along with Gasol and Lamar helps big time. The Farmars, Sasha's and Lukes need to go before Bynum!
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Just imagine Shaq at a Waffle House!! :D
:D
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Shaq wont retire, what else is he going to do? his got child support, divorce settlements, his been in the game to long to just leave, he will need to have a career ending injury for him to stay away, his contract is up, so i doubt the cavs will keep him, he should go to milwaukee and back up bogut.
shaq is officially usesless.
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Shaq wont retire, what else is he going to do? his got child support, divorce settlements, his been in the game to long to just leave, he will need to have a career ending injury for him to stay away, his contract is up, so i doubt the cavs will keep him, he should go to milwaukee and back up bogut.
shaq is officially usesless.
I heard a while back that his monthly expenses are over $900k. :o
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Shaq wont retire, what else is he going to do? his got child support, divorce settlements, his been in the game to long to just leave, he will need to have a career ending injury for him to stay away, his contract is up, so i doubt the cavs will keep him, he should go to milwaukee and back up bogut.
shaq is officially usesless.
He says that he has 3 years left in him. ::) ::)
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He says that he has 3 years left in him. ::) ::)
Shaq will commit suicide if he left the NBA now, shaqs the type where if someone is willing to sign him he will still play, until all the offers dry up or a career ending injury this dude will be like robert parish
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He says that he has 3 years left in him. ::) ::)
If so I see his pay reduced to Waffle House wages.
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If so I see his pay reduced to Waffle House wages.
I wanna go to a Waffle House because their are no Waffle House's in Florida. >:(
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I wanna go to a Waffle House because their are no Waffle House's in Florida. >:(
Douglas GA bro around the corner.
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Douglas GA bro around the corner.
Good thing i am in Georgia right now and just think about the people that i can meet. ;D
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Good thing i am in Georgia right now and just think about the people that i can meet. ;D
Stop by Evander Holyfield's house he is still boxing to feed his 10 kids sounds like Shaq is going down the same road.
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Good thing i am in Georgia right now and just think about the people that i can meet. ;D
Jake Long Sam Young same shit! :-\
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Haters, say anything you want but understand this about Shaq......He still has value in the NBA even for the next 2-3 years. You can't teach size. Shaq has size. Shaq still draws fouls. Therefore, Shaq still holds a lot of value for teams that need size in the low post.
Shaq will continue to make money in the NBA but he has stop spending money like an idiot.
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Haters, say anything you want but understand this about Shaq......He still has value in the NBA even for the next 2-3 years. You can't teach size. Shaq has size. Shaq still draws fouls. Therefore, Shaq still holds a lot of value for teams that need size in the low post.
Shaq will continue to make money in the NBA but he has stop spending money like an idiot.
A key statement.
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Haters, say anything you want but understand this about Shaq......He still has value in the NBA even for the next 2-3 years. You can't teach size. Shaq has size. Shaq still draws fouls. Therefore, Shaq still holds a lot of value for teams that need size in the low post.
Shaq will continue to make money in the NBA but he has stop spending money like an idiot.
He does but its his drama (injuries and dumb comments) he brings that holds teams up. I luv the Big Man for what he did in LA but like TO he brings SOME ANNOYING BAGGAGE!
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He does but its his drama (injuries and dumb comments) he brings that holds teams up. I luv the Big Man for what he did in LA but like TO he brings SOME ANNOYING BAGGAGE!
He still cant hit a damn freethrow reg
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He still cant hit a damn freethrow reg
Neither can anyone on the Lakers so I can't say anything on that....his percentage may be better than Gasols!
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Neither can anyone on the Lakers so I can't say anything on that....his percentage may be better than Gasols!
They better practice for Howard and the Magic or they are toast.
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They better practice for Howard and the Magic or they are toast.
It may be Rondo and his btchs instead!
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Goddamn, I hope like hell the Suns beat the Lakers.......Steve Nash deserves a goddamn ring. Can we give the Canadien white boy just one goddamn ring? He's 36 years old but he's still the man.
I love Nash. Tough as nails and still producing at a high level even as he enters his late 30's.
It's so funny when you starting rooting for the older players in sports as you yourself get older.
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Goddamn, I hope like hell the Suns beat the Lakers.......Steve Nash deserves a goddamn ring. Can we give the Canadien white boy just one goddamn ring? He's 36 years old but he's still the man.
I love Nash. Tough as nails and still producing at a high level even as he enters his late 30's.
It's so funny when you starting rooting for the older players in sports as you yourself get older.
Thare thousands of white canadian boys running around with rings....STANLY CUP RINGS! My friend Luc has one he pilfered from Detroit then moved back here to get a front office job!
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Thare thousands of white canadian boys running around with rings....STANLY CUP RINGS! My friend Luc has one he pilfered from Detroit then moved back here to get a front office job!
When we are done with Nash, he's gonna look like Spud McKenzie!
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Goddamn, I hope like hell the Suns beat the Lakers.......Steve Nash deserves a goddamn ring. Can we give the Canadien white boy just one goddamn ring? He's 36 years old but he's still the man.
I love Nash. Tough as nails and still producing at a high level even as he enters his late 30's.
It's so funny when you starting rooting for the older players in sports as you yourself get older.
I would like Nash to get a ring he deserves it, reg has already said he is scared of Nash showing up in LA
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I would like Nash to get a ring he deserves it, reg has already said he is scared of Nash showing up in LA
His heart scares me nothing else though.
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Jake Long Sam Young same shit! :-\
WHAT A COMPLETE MORON. ::) ::) ::)
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His heart scares me nothing else though.
That's it? Not his passing? Not his scoring? The guy is triple threat. He's strictly an offensive player. But he's a great penetrator. He's a great passer, and he scores very well.
I like the Suns to win the series in 7 games. It's Nash's time. I just feel it.
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That's it? Not his passing? Not his scoring? The guy is triple threat. He's strictly an offensive player. But he's a great penetrator. He's a great passer, and he scores very well.
I like the Suns to win the series in 7 games. It's Nash's time. I just feel it.
NO :-\ But His heart gets everyone else moving . We have a team that can do everything he does by himself...now if this LAker team had his HEART???????
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WHAT A COMPLETE MORON. ::) ::) ::)
The diff is Young is lucky (he must have has a clover t shirt on during draft day) enough to wear a DALLAS UNIFORM!
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Snack is off contract now, dont think Cavs will really want him.
From Orlando, Lakers, Miami, Pheonix and Cleveland epic journey man
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He should retire.
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He should retire.
shaq has to many kids to retire and to many woman to shut up with hush money. He only plays for money like lebron.
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shaq has to many kids to retire and to many woman to shut up with hush money. He only plays for money like lebron.
He may be LeBrons NEXT stepdaddy!
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Signing the Big Fattie for the vet minimum is actually a good move by Boston. With Jermaine and Perkins, Snack doesn't have to play much.
But he can forget about having his Laker jersey retired in LA. :)
Sources: Shaquille O'Neal, Celts close
Free-agent center Shaquille O'Neal will likely sign with the Boston Celtics, as soon as Tuesday night or Wednesday, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard.
O'Neal had said earlier Tuesday that he hopes to make a decision about his future soon, and both NBA.com and Comcast SportsNet New England indicated that the Celtics were "close" to signing the four-time NBA champion.
The Atlanta Hawks had been the front-runner to land O'Neal last month and are not completely out of the picture, sources told Broussard, but they have fallen behind the Celtics.
O'Neal
O'Neal was not willing to reveal which team he was leaning toward.
"For me, it's been a real thinking process," O'Neal told The Associated Press on Tuesday from Orlando, where he was promoting his television series, "Shaq Vs.," with teen pop star Justin Bieber. "I came into the league very graciously and want to go out very graciously. My main thought was I would like to play for a winning franchise, somebody that's used to winning, somebody that keeps winning. Hopefully, I'll make my decision here in the next one or two days."
The Celtics can offer only the veteran minimum salary ($1.35 million for a veteran of 10-plus NBA seasons), but Cleveland could facilitate a sign-and-trade with Boston if the 38-year-old center requires more money. O'Neal has made nearly $291 million in basketball contracts alone, including $20 million with the Cavaliers last season.
O'Neal has found a quiet market for his services this offseason, which led some to speculate he might find a better payday overseas. But O'Neal indicated Tuesday that he plans to stay on this side of the Atlantic.
"I know I will play in the NBA next season," said O'Neal. "International? No. The good thing about me and my career is I came in, did it my way, did more than expected. For every athlete or every great person, there's a time when it has to end. When and if it ever ends it will be very graciously.
"We're going to have a big party. We're going to have a ceremony and the next thing I'll be waiting for is the entrance into the place where your name will never be forgotten."
The Celtics will start the season without center Kendrick Perkins, who underwent knee surgery last month and is expected to be sidelined into February. Boston utilized the mid-level exception to sign free-agent Jermaine O'Neal last month, but Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge often noted the team remained in the market for another impact big man.
No player on the free-agent market probably offers more potential impact than Shaq, who has averaged 24.1 points and 11 rebounds per game over 18 NBA seasons.
O'Neal appeared on ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live" on Monday and said he'd like to play two more seasons in the NBA and that the Celtics would potentially be a good fit for him.
O'Neal stressed to Kimmel that he's on a "730-day program," suggesting he wants to play two more years until he reaches 40. When Kimmel suggested he couldn't picture O'Neal in a Boston uniform, O'Neal responded, "The Celtics would be a good program."
Pressed if he would feel weird putting on a Celtics jersey after spending time with the Lakers, O'Neal simply shook his head and said, "No."
The Celtics have aimed to sign free agents to short-term deals with an eye toward a massive roster turnover following the 2011-12 season. Even by signing O'Neal to a two-year deal, the team would not be jeopardizing its future plan.
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=5434969
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His going out with no dignity at all. A journeyman.
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His going out with no dignity at all. A journeyman.
Shaq still holds value in the NBA. Dignity?
If you accuse him of lacking dignity then what about the teams out there that are still willing to pay him to play?
You can't teach size and Shaq, despite eroding skills, definitely has size in the paint. He can still affect opponents' gameplans. If he want's to play, let him play. I've been watching him play in the NBA since I was a teenager and I'm now 36. There's something to be said for longetivity. Shaq's legacy remains intact, no matter how long he continues to play.
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Shaq still holds value in the NBA. Dignity?
If you accuse him of lacking dignity then what about the teams out there that are still willing to pay him to play?
You can't teach size and Shaq, despite eroding skills, definitely has size in the paint. He can still affect opponents' gameplans. If he want's to play, let him play. I've been watching him play in the NBA since I was a teenager and I'm now 36. There's something to be said for longetivity. Shaq's legacy remains intact, no matter how long he continues to play.
I agree, he is still a factor.
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I agree, he is still a factor.
He still averaged almost 13 pts and 7 rebounds despite playing less than 25 minutes a game. I tend to root for the older players, especially guys like Shaq who are older than me, yet still playing.
Makes me feel younger, I guess......
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He still averaged almost 13 pts and 7 rebounds despite playing less than 25 minutes a game. I tend to root for the older players, especially guys like Shaq who are older than me, yet still playing.
Makes me feel younger, I guess......
Robert Parish comes to mind. I watch old NBA videos he was amazing at 40.
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Robert Parish comes to mind. I watch old NBA videos he was amazing at 40.
Oh yeah. The 'Chief.'
I can still hear ther Boston faithful with that 'Chiiiiieeeeeeeefffff' chant.
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Oh yeah. The 'Chief.'
I can still hear ther Boston faithful with that 'Chiiiiieeeeeeeefffff' chant.
The Cheif never cracked a smile his entire life. 8)
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From Miami, to Phoenix, to Cleveland to Celtics..there only paying him the minimum, but watch shaq put in minimum effort. its hard to go from $20m one year to under $2m the next.
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Horrid.
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best of luck to the guy, he probably needs the money? he probably will miss the NBA if he retired. Now that i think of it he can always be used as someone to put a body on dwight howard or to even clog up the lane.
Props to shaq for outlasting his entire draft class (1992) and the 1993 draft class and even the 1994 draft class, with the exception being Jason kidd.
Shaquille O'Neal* (C)
2 Alonzo Mourning* (C)
3 Christian Laettner+ (PF)
4 Jimmy Jackson (SG)
5 LaPhonso Ellis (PF)
6 Tom Gugliotta+ (PF)
7 Walt Williams (SF)
8 Todd Day (SG)
9 Clarence Weatherspoon (PF)
10 Adam Keefe (PF)
11 Robert Horry (SF)
12 Harold Miner (SG)
13 Bryant Stith (SG)
14 Malik Sealy (SF) RIP
15 Anthony Peeler (SG)
16 Randy Woods (PG)
17 Doug Christie (SG)
18 Tracy Murray (SF)
19 Don MacLean (PF)
20 Hubert Davis (SG)
21 Jon Barry (SG)
22 Oliver Miller (C)
23 Lee Mayberry (PG)
24 Latrell Sprewell* (SG)
25 Elmore Spencer (C)
26 Dave Johnson (SF)
27 Byron Houston (PF)
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Horrid.
Why? You need frontcourt help. Perkins is out until January, Big Baby is undersized, and you can't rely on Jermaine O' Neal because he's always hurt. Like it or not, he's a Celtic.
Shaq will help the Celtics. Especially if he comes to camp in shape for once in his life.
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Why? You need frontcourt help. Perkins is out until January and you can't rely on Jermaine O' Neal because he's always hurt. Like it or not, he's a Celtic.
Looks like we a call to Sam Perkins is in order.
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He'll definitely help. This is the perfect role for him. Bring him off the bench for about 10 or 15 minutes a game. He's not the missing link for a championship, but should provide some quality minutes.
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He'll definitely help. This is the perfect role for him. Bring him off the bench for about 10 or 15 minutes a game. He's not the missing link for a championship, but should provide some quality minutes.
Exactly, at 10 to 15 minutes per game he can easily eat five fouls at the 1st and 4th quarters. I said it once and I'll say it again....YOU CAN'T TEACH SIZE...Shaq is an enourmous mofo down in the paint. When he body leans on the opponent's best center, he wears them down. Of course, only in games where he stays out of foul trouble.
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It's that time again. ;D In the second game of the season, where Boston loses to Cleveland, :o, the Snack stat line is:
7 points, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers, and 4 fouls. More fouls than rebounds. Who knew? :D
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shaq looked pretty damn nimble on opening night.
he looks good.
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It's that time again. ;D In the second game of the season, where Boston loses to Cleveland, :o, the Snack stat line is:
7 points, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers, and 4 fouls. More fouls than rebounds. Who knew? :D
Why didn't you referance Miami?
The guy makes what a million or two a season?
Let it go, haha.
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Why didn't you referance Miami?
The guy makes what a million or two a season?
Let it go, haha.
The Boston v. Miami line:
9 points, 7 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 1 block, 1 turnover, 2 fouls.
He's still good value and was a good signing by Boston. He's no longer the most overpaid athlete in pro sports.
But let it go? Are you kidding? I've been at this for over three years. It's way too much fun. :D
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The Boston v. Miami line:
9 points, 7 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 1 block, 1 turnover, 2 fouls.
He's still good value and was a good signing by Boston. He's no longer the most overpaid athlete in pro sports.
But let it go? Are you kidding? I've been at this for over three years. It's way too much fun. :D
Trust me, I am looking for a reason to blast the Celtics for bringing in "snack".
That being said, I can't figure out a better stop-gap option until Perk comes back. I'm done with the NBA, anyway!!!!!!
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Trust me, I am looking for a reason to blast the Celtics for bringing in "snack".
That being said, I can't figure out a better stop-gap option until Perk comes back. I'm done with the NBA, anyway!!!!!!
I don't think you'll have much of an opportunity to do that. Jermaine O'Neal and Perkins are good enough. Snack doesn't have to do much till Perkins comes back. If Boston was counting on him to be a no. 2 or 3 option, they'd be in trouble.
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How Many of Celtics' 82 Games Will Shaquille O'Neal Play This Season?
by Mike Cole on Wed, Nov 3, 2010
Celtics center Shaquille O'Neal injured his knee on Friday against the Knicks. On Tuesday, he was out of the lineup, missing the C's' game in Detroit.
There was probably no one anywhere who thought that the big guy would play in all 82 games for the Celtics this season. He is 38. Not only that, he's got a lot of miles on those big legs, the same legs that have had to support his 325-pound frame throughout his entire Hall of Fame career.
But for O'Neal to miss a game this early in the season, for whatever the reason, is a bit disheartening. When you factor in the play of fellow center Jermaine O'Neal who has been disappointing, really, so far, along with the fact that Kendrick Perkins won't be back until January, you kind of need Shaq.
Jermaine O'Neal has also battled knee issues already this season and Turkish rookie Semih Erden is not the answer, nor is the undersized Glen Davis, at least not at the center position for an extended period of time.
The Celtics will, for better or for worse, need to lean on Shaq. That could prove to be an issue, however. Shaq played 73 games in 2004-05 for the Miami Heat. Since then, though, he's only averaged 58 games played a season. In fairness, it must be noted that the Diesel played 75 games as recently as two years ago.
When Perkins returns, this will become obviously less of a problem. Until No. 43 steps onto the parquet, though, this will remain an issue for the Celtics. Without the O'Neals, they lack depth up front. With Jermaine O'Neal actually playing, they may well lack consistency. If there's any point of the season they may really need Shaq, it will be right now.
Of course, if he can contribute, the Celtics will take what they can get from him all season. The question is, of course, how many times will he able to give them anything this season?
Was Tuesday the start of a disturbing trend or will the Celtics be able to rely on Shaq for the majority of this season?
http://www.nesn.com/2010/11/how-many-of-the-celtics-82-games-will-shaquille-oneal-play-this-season.html
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The Snack stat line from today's game against Toronto:
8 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 2 blocks, 1 turnover, and 6 fouls in 20 minutes. More fouls than rebounds. I wonder if he is the all-time NBA leader in this category (by centers)? :)
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The Snack stat line from today's game against Toronto:
8 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 2 blocks, 1 turnover, and 6 fouls in 20 minutes. More fouls than rebounds. I wonder if he is the all-time NBA leader in this category (by centers)? :)
Probably is Bill Laimbeer he was the "hachet man" I understand.
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Probably is Bill Laimbeer he was the "hachet man" I understand.
Bill also played D and never gave up on plays. 8) They were the "Bad Boys" for a reason.
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Probably is Bill Laimbeer he was the "hachet man" I understand.
Maybe. He fouled a lot, but remember the stat is more fouls than rebounds in a game.
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Bill also played D and never gave up on plays. 8) They were the "Bad Boys" for a reason.
Yep good teams back in those days.
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Yep good teams back in those days.
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/stlunatick38/badboys2.jpg)
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Hey beach, why not give credit where it is due?
25 points 11 rebounds last night. NOT THAT I WATCH THE MOTHER FUCKING NBA ANYMORE OR ANYTHING!!!!!111
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Hey beach, why not give credit where it is due?
25 points 11 rebounds last night. NOT THAT I WATCH THE MOTHER FUCKING NBA ANYMORE OR ANYTHING!!!!!111
Body he played a great game. If he continues to play at that level, Boston will be tough to beat.
But he still reminds me of:
(http://www.jlcauvin.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fat-bastard.jpg)
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kobe's victories so staged.
pure marketing
celtics owned them
refs owned celtics in 4th
I bet orlando had same problem year b4
gota keep homies having thier superstar kobe lol
his wife ugs I dont get him at all
reason I dont liek is his game is predicated on the refs
withotu all those gime calls hes just another gunner
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Snack's stat line from the Boston win against the Bulls last night (20 minutes):
12 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 1 turnover, 6 fouls. More fouls than rebounds yet again.
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The line from today's loss to the Magic (13 minutes):
2 points, 1 rebound, 0 assists, 1 block, 2 turnovers, 6 fouls. More fouls than rebounds, points, etc.
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I get the point of this thread; it's funny....just don't get why you never include the good nights this guy has ???
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I get the point of this thread; it's funny....just don't get why you never include the good nights this guy has ???
Actually, I included several posts throughout the thread about his "good" games. He doesn't have many of those.
That said, the point of the thread is to highlight the decline of the Big Fattie, which means I don't care much about his good games, infrequent though they may be.
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Actually, I included several posts throughout the thread about his "good" games. He doesn't have many of those.
That said, the point of the thread is to highlight the decline of the Big Fattie, which means I don't care much about his good games, infrequent though they may be.
Why the hate on the big fella? He's almost 39 years old so of course he's way past his prime. He still is valuable due to to his sheer size(which you can't coach)
Without Shaq as a Laker, Kobe is a 2-time champion and you can throw out the 3 titles between 2000-02. You should love the guy for what he did for the Lakers. He helped make them relevant again when he came over as a free agent.
Post-Magic Johnson era....the Lakers were sucking balls before Shaq came to town.
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Why the hate on the big fella? He's almost 39 years old so of course he's way past his prime. He still is valuable due to to his sheer size(which you can't coach)
Without Shaq as a Laker, Kobe is a 2-time champion and you can throw out the 3 titles between 2000-02. You should love the guy for what he did for the Lakers. He helped make them relevant again when he came over as a free agent.
Post-Magic Johnson era....the Lakers were sucking balls before Shaq came to town.
I love what he did for the Lakers. He was a beast. But without Kobe as a Laker, Shaq does not win 3 straight championships.
Actually, the Lakers couldn't get over the hump until Phil came to town. He took basically the same team (including Shaq and Kobe) that couldn't win the year before to a championship, plus two more.
But all that is history. The Big Fattie is now a (BIIIIG) shell of his former self. :)
Also, like I said earlier, he is a good addition to Boston. They are going to be pretty good when Perkins and both O'Neals are healthy.
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I love what he did for the Lakers. He was a beast. But without Kobe as a Laker, Shaq does not win 3 straight championships.
Actually, the Lakers couldn't get over the hump until Phil came to town. He took basically the same team (including Shaq and Kobe) that couldn't win the year before to a championship, plus two more.
But all that is history. The Big Fattie is now a (BIIIIG) shell of his former self. :)
Also, like I said earlier, he is a good addition to Boston. They are going to be pretty good when Perkins and both O'Neals are healthy.
I think they are already pretty good. 14 wins straight against teams with winning records (unlike the heat).
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I think they are already pretty good. 14 wins straight against teams with winning records (unlike the heat).
Yeah. True. They're already the best team in the East. They'll be even better with those three healthy.
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I love what he did for the Lakers. He was a beast. But without Kobe as a Laker, Shaq does not win 3 straight championships.
Actually, the Lakers couldn't get over the hump until Phil came to town. He took basically the same team (including Shaq and Kobe) that couldn't win the year before to a championship, plus two more.
But all that is history. The Big Fattie is now a (BIIIIG) shell of his former self. :)
Also, like I said earlier, he is a good addition to Boston. They are going to be pretty good when Perkins and both O'Neals are healthy.
Shaq was way more valuable to the team during their three titles. Shaq was in his absolute prime during this years and he was a wrecking machine. But agree to disagree.
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Shaq was way more valuable to the team during their three titles. Shaq was in his absolute prime during this years and he was a wrecking machine. But agree to disagree.
Yeah we'll have to agree to disagree. Kobe was the defensive leader of the team. Kobe was the finisher in the fourth quarter. He brought the killer instinct to that team. No question that Shaq was dominant. He was unstoppable. They were one of the best tandems in NBA history, but they needed each other.
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I think they both needed robert horry :P
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I think they both needed robert horry :P
He certainly helped. I'm probably one of those in the minority who thinks he should be in the HOF.
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7 Championships for 'Big Shot Rob' :o :o :o
He should be in the HOF by virtue of that. He was a vital piece of all 7 championships.
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7 Championships for 'Big Shot Rob' :o :o :o
He should be in the HOF by virtue of that. He was a vital piece of all 7 championships.
That, his playoff three point shooting, and clutch shooting in the regular season and playoffs justify a spot IMO.
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In yesterday's win (16 minutes):
9 points, 2 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 2 blocks, 4 turnovers, 6 fouls. More fouls and turnovers than rebounds.
Will be interesting to see how they use him when Perkins comes back.
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After missing about half the season due to injury, Snack returned and lasted all of five minutes before limping to the locker room.
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After missing about half the season due to injury, Snack returned and lasted all of five minutes before limping to the locker room.
I was watching the game and he is just at the end of the road now. It is kinda sad. :-\ With that said, i will never ever come close to make as much money as Snack O'neal made in his career.
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I was watching the game and he is just at the end of the road now. It is kinda sad. :-\ With that said, i will never ever come close to make as much money as Snack O'neal made in his career.
It is kinda sad. I hope he retires at the end of the season. He got his rings. He was one of the most dominant players in NBA history. But his time is over. He never worked hard enough and took care of himself well enough to play late into his 30s and early 40s.
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It is kinda sad. I hope he retires at the end of the season. He got his rings. He was one of the most dominant players in NBA history. But his time is over. He never worked hard enough and took care of himself well enough to play late into his 30s and early 40s.
The first thing that ran through my mind was when he first signed with Reebok and you saw his shoe everywhere. And now, i just see a old tired and Broken down Shaq. :-\ I mean every athlete wants to go hard forever, but his time is over. You could see Shaw hobbling and you can see the end coming. I think Shaq signed a two year deal, but i kinda hope that he hangs it up and says it was a great career.
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The first thing that ran through my mind was when he first signed with Reebok and you saw his shoe everywhere. And now, i just see a old tired and Broken down Shaq. :-\ I mean every athlete wants to go hard forever, but his time is over. You could see Shaw hobbling and you can see the end coming. I think Shaq signed a two year deal, but i kinda hope that he hangs it up and says it was a great career.
Shaq is not good with the branding thing...
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Shaq is like a punch drunk boxer, he will think he still has it, his body is broken down, its pretty pathetic to sit out 3/4 of the regular season then jump on garnett, pierce and allens backs and TRY win a ring, he needs to be forced to retire.
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Snack O'neal is as useful as Magic Johnson is at a Blood drive. :D
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He looked horrible trying to run up and down the floor in game 3. It's really sad to watch. He should have retired a couple of years ago. He looks so fat and out of shape, too.
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He looked horrible trying to run up and down the floor in game 3. It's really sad to watch. He should have retired a couple of years ago. He looks so fat and out of shape, too.
Snack O'neal was so out of shape and just wanting to get to the bench and eat some oatmeal cream pies. :-\
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Snack O'neal was so out of shape and just wanting to get to the bench and eat some oatmeal cream pies. :-\
He is just playing for the money now.
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#Bynum is a true Bitch and the Lakers have no class, at all!
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#Bynum is a true Bitch and the Lakers have no class, at all!
X2.
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Did Snack get a rebound in this series yet? :)
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Did Snack get a rebound in this series yet? :)
Snack O'Neal is having too much fun on the bench eating Oatmeal Cream Pies. 8)
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Did Snack get a rebound in this series yet? :)
Bring Rodman back.
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How long will Snack live looks in bad shape.
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Aw shucks. How the heck am I supposed to ridicule him if he isn't playing? :-\
He had a great career. It was time to go. He was the most dominant big man I've ever seen in the NBA.
Updated: June 1, 2011
Shaq announces retirement on web
By Jackie MacMullan
ESPNBoston.com
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Shaquille O'Neal, the man with four rings, 28,596 career points and scores of nicknames, has finally decided to call it quits, ending one of the most colorful careers in NBA history that will surely culminate with a Hall of Fame induction.
End Of An Era
O'Neal Shaquille O'Neal announced on Wednesday that after 19 seasons and four championship rings he's calling it quits. Here's a look back at his career:
15-time NBA All-Star
28,596 career points (5th all-time)
2000 NBA MVP
3-time NBA Finals MVP (2000-02)
1993 NBA Rookie of the Year
Notable nicknames: The Diesel, Shaq Fu, Superman, The Big Daddy, The Big Shaqtus, The Big Shamrock
13 seasons with 20 PPG and 10 RPG (most in NBA)
5,250 postseason points (4th all-time in NBA)
216 postseason game played (3rd in all-time in NBA)
O'Neal, 39, announced his retirement Wednesday using the new social media tool Tout, a real-time video messaging service to announce to fans: "We did it. Nineteen years baby. I want to thank you very much, that's why I'm telling you first, I'm about to retire. Love you, talk to you soon."
"Once a businesman, always a businessman," O'Neal said with a smile later on Wednesday. "I am the emperor of the social media network."
O'Neal said he wasn't prepared yet to reminisce about his long and prolific career, which produced three championships with the Lakers and one with the Heat. "Let's save that for the press conference on Friday," said O'Neal, who will hold that media event at his Isleworth home.
Celtics spokesman Jeff Twiss says that O'Neal has not notified the team of his plans.
"Shout out to @SHAQ on the hall of fame career. One of a kind player," Celtics teammate Rajon Rondo tweeted Wednesday.
O'Neal retires fifth all-time with 28,596 points, 12th with 13,099 rebounds and second only to Artis Gilmore among players with more than 2,000 baskets with a .582 field goal percentage.
"I'm a little bit sad," said Pat Riley, the Heat president who was also the coach when O'Neal won a title in Miami. "It's the end of an absolute 20-year career. Great, great player. ... The league's going to miss Shaq. I'm sure Shaq will do something big and beyond."
LeBron James tweeted: "What a career for Shaq Diesel!! The most dominating force to ever play the game. Great person to be around as well. Comedy all the time!!"
O'Neal signed a two-year contract with the Boston Celtics last summer but a persistent Achilles injury will prevent him from fulfilling the terms of the deal. O'Neal first injured his right Achilles on Christmas Day and was able to play only in two of the final 35 games of the regular season.
On April 3 against Detroit, O'Neal returned to the court after a two-month absence and scored six points in a spirited 5 minutes and 29 seconds before coming up lame and limping off the floor. Although his injury was listed as a strained calf, O'Neal said it was the Achilles flaring up again.
"I felt like someone had shot me in the back of my leg," he said.
O'Neal did not play again in the regular season. He sat out the New York Knicks playoff series then tried to return in Game 3 of the Eastern Conference semifinals against his old team, the Miami Heat. O'Neal logged 8½ minutes in the 97-81 victory but woke up in considerable pain the next morning. His final game was two days later, when he toiled for three minutes of Game 4 before Celtics coach Doc Rivers pulled him for good.
In the final weeks of the the playoffs, O'Neal, over the objections of team physician Brian McKeon, had "more than five" cortisone shots in his Achilles in an attempt to play against the Heat.
"Doc (McKeon) kept telling me, 'No, no,' but I wanted to play so badly," O'Neal said. "My feeling was, 'If it ruptures, it ruptures.' The Celtics were so good to me I wanted to do everything I could to get back on the court for them."
Throughout his time on the sideline, O'Neal said, he continued to do rehab as well as work on the treadmill and the exercise bike. He swam each evening at the Thoreau Club in Concord and shot a number of late-night free throws in at the Lincoln-Sudbury High School gymnasium across the street from his rented Sudbury home. He lost 35 pounds and was "feeling great everywhere except for that one little spot behind my heel."
O'Neal said McKeon recommended surgery that would "clean up" the area around the Achilles, but O'Neal said the recovery time would be close to nine months.
"I really, really thought about coming back," he said, "but this Achilles is very damaged and if I had it done the recovery would be so long we'd have same outcome as this last year -- everyone sitting around and waiting for me.
"I didn't want to let people down two years in a row. I didn't want to hold Boston hostage again.
"I'm letting everybody know now so Danny (Ainge) and the organization can try to get younger talent. I would love to come back, but they say once the Achilles is damaged it's never the same. I don't want to take that chance."
O'Neal said his final months in Boston included some of the darkest days of his career because "I just hated to let the city of Boston down. I really grew to love the place. Everyone was so welcoming to me and treated me so great. They believed in me and they took care of me, especially the great people of Sudbury. I love that town."
What They're Saying About Shaq
Shaquille O'Neal's colleagues chimed in after hearing about his retirement, remembering Diesel's best moments and wishing him luck for the future. More
O'Neal also had effusive praise for Rivers, whom, he said, was "one of the best I ever played for."
"I thought Doc was fabulous," O'Neal said. "He stressed 'team' all the time, never wavered on that. He kept everyone together. He's an amazing coach. I want to congratulate him on his five years (extension).
"He deserves it. He loves the organization, loves the players, and we all love him back."
O'Neal is acutely aware the Celtics posted a record of 21-4 when he was able to play 20 or more minutes this season. The chemistry he shared with the Big Three (Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Rondo, he said, will be an enduring memory, leaving him to wonder what would have happened had he stayed healthy.
"We were supposed to win this year but 'supposed' doesn't count," he said. "The path was there for us. All the so-called super powers were gone -- L.A., San Antonio. I really feel if I was on the court we would have done it, but I don't believe in 'ifs.' "
O'Neal will be remembered as one of the most dominant, recognizable and controversial figures in the game, whose body of work included rap records, movies, a lengthy business portfolio and an even lengthier history of philanthropic deeds.
"I tried to make people happy," O'Neal said, "and I tried to have fun. I think I did both."
O'Neal was a franchise-saver when the Orlando Magic made him the No. 1 overall pick in the 1992 draft. He took them from the lottery to the playoffs in two years, and then led them to the NBA Finals in his third year before they were swept by the Houston Rockets.
O'Neal then signed with the Los Angeles Lakers in 1996 and had his greatest success there, winning three titles alongside Kobe Bryant and coach Phil Jackson. But amid tension between O'Neal and Bryant over credit for the team's success, O'Neal was traded to the Heat in the summer of 2004, fresh off a loss to the Detroit Pistons in the Finals.
After 3½ years in Miami, a tenure that included his fourth NBA championship, O'Neal became a veteran-for-hire, moving to Phoenix and then Cleveland and finally Boston. But he couldn't deliver another title for Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire with the Suns, with James with the Cavaliers or with the Celtics' Big Three of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.
"I think Shaq was the most dominant big man of his era. He changed the game," former Lakers teammate Brian Shaw told ESPNLosAngeles.com's Arash Markazi.
He added: "The amazing thing about him was with somebody of his size, that he was as nimble as he was. He could dance and run and do anything physically that somebody who was 5-10 could do. That's unheard of for a man his size. I don't know if we'll ever see that again. "
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=6615886
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2nd most dominant center to ever play behind Wilt Chamberlain, in my opinion.
He would've stayed highly productive as he got older if he would've dedicated himself to staying in shape and working on being at least a 65% free throw shooter. You can't rely on playing yourself into shape once you've hit a certain age in your career. That's why he became so vulnerable to injury as he entered his mid 30's.
He's going to get so fucking fat while in retirement.
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good bye snack stay out of trouble.
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2nd most dominant center to ever play behind Wilt Chamberlain, in my opinion.
He would've stayed highly productive as he got older if he would've dedicated himself to staying in shape and working on being at least a 65% free throw shooter. You can't rely on playing yourself into shape once you've hit a certain age in your career. That's why he became so vulnerable to injury as he entered his mid 30's.
He's going to get so fucking fat while in retirement.
He's already fat.
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He's already fat.
True, but retirement will put him well over the 400 pound mark. He was already talking about looking forward to eating some sausage and biscuits after his press conference.
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Remember this? Kobe proved him wrong, x 2. :)
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good bye snack stay out of trouble.
Who the fuck is that beast dwarfing Shaq daddy?! Damn!
Shaq was and is a legend. With his charisma he needs to get a tv job.
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The great ones Snack was good this guy better.
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Shaquille O'Neal denied any role in attack, said alleged sex tape didn't concern him, records show
June 16, 2011 | 8:35 am
Shaquille O'Neal detailed his relationship with a man who was kidnapped and beaten after claiming to have a sex video of the NBA star, but O'Neal strongly denied any role in the attack, according to an interview he gave to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department three years ago.
In the interview, O'Neal said that even if a sex tape existed, he wouldn't have cared if it was made public because he and his wife were getting a divorce. He said had a friendly relationship with the victim, Robert Ross, but had cut off ties because of Ross' continued criminal problems.
Documents obtained by The Times show that detectives probed whether O'Neal was connected to a beating, robbery and kidnapping of Ross. Detectives found phone records showing a "flurry of calls" between the alleged ringleader of the assault and O'Neal's business partner around the time of the February 2008 incident, a sheriff's investigative report said.
Neither O'Neal nor his business partner, Mark Stevens, has been charged in connection with the case. Prosecutors did charge seven members of the Main Street Crips gang with kidnapping Ross at gunpoint from West Hollywood and beating him while demanding the video.
O'Neal was interviewed by sheriff's investigators in September 2008 at a locker room in USC's Galen Center.
When he was told of Ross' allegation that O'Neal had ordered the kidnapping to retrieve the sex tape, O'Neal "adamantly denied" having been involved, according to the Sheriff's Department report.
He told Stevens to pass that message to Ross, the report states. He also said he didn't believe Stevens would have been involved in any kidnapping scheme, according to the report.
Sheriff's investigators asked O'Neal about his relationship with Ross.
The former NBA all-star center said he had known Ross several years although he was unsure who introduced them. He said Ross knew a lot of people and assisted him in networking around Los Angeles, according to the report.
Even though he knew Ross was from a gang neighborhood, O'Neal told investigators that he tried "to help Ross better himself." He said he met several Main Street Crips members during toy-donation events in South Los Angeles but did not have a personal relationship with them, the report states.
O'Neal told authorities he had severed ties with Ross about a year before the interview because of Ross' criminal troubles, believing that the association would be bad for his image. According to the report, O'Neal said that as Ross began getting in trouble with authorities, he would tell police he was with O'Neal to avoid arrest or citations.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/06/shaquille-oneal-denied-any-role-in-attack-said-alleged-sex-tape-didnt-concern-him-records-show.html?lanow
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I miss this thread. :'(
Glad they kissed and made up. :)
Kobe Bryant: Things better with Shaq
February 13, 2013
By Dave McMenamin |
ESPNLosAngeles.com
LOS ANGELES -- No word on whether pigs can fly yet, but Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal are getting along these days.
The former Los Angeles Lakers teammates, who infamously feuded during their time together from 1996 to 2004, have buried the hatchet, according to Bryant.
"It was good to see him," Bryant said after O'Neal sat in courtside seats for the Lakers' 91-85 win over the Phoenix Suns on Tuesday. "I had a chance to kind of catch up with him a little bit after the [Miami] Heat game here at Staples [on Jan. 17], and tonight we got a couple good laughs, a couple good inside jokes."
Bryant met with O'Neal before the game under the basket on the end of the court near the Lakers' bench by the 40-year-old former center's baseline seats.
"Shaq and I have a really, really good relationship now," Bryant said of the 15-time All-Star with whom he teamed to capture three straight NBA championships from 2000 to '02.
"It's good. I think it's a good lesson for all of us."
Bryant exchanged several glances with O'Neal during the game, particularly after the big man was on the kiss cam pretending to make out with the man sitting next to him. O'Neal was later "escorted" out of the arena after the third quarter by actor Will Ferrell, who was dressed as a Staples Center security guard complete with a red jacket and identity badge.
"I think we appreciate each other more now than ever," Bryant said. "I think the further you get away from the history that you had together, the more you put perspective on it on how dominant we were.
"It's fun for us to kind of get together again and kind of reminisce on some of the old stories. It's fun. It's good to see him."
O'Neal's presence wasn't as fun for Lakers center Dwight Howard, whom O'Neal has repeatedly needled in the media.
"I didn't really pay attention to him," Howard said of O'Neal.
Howard fired back at O'Neal's constant criticism in the preseason, telling reporters, "I don't care what Shaq says. Shaq played the game. He's done. He's gone. It's time to move on."
While Howard is playing in Bryant's shadow in L.A., that used to be the role Bryant assumed while playing alongside O'Neal.
"The challenge for me was to show [O'Neal] and show everybody else that I could win without him," Bryant said. "And point proven. So, I'm fine either way. I took it as an honor and as a challenge to be a player that could play a supporting role and then move from that and take the leading role and win that way as well. I took a lot of pride of that, but I also took a lot of pride in kind of being a floor general and letting [O'Neal] do his thing."
O'Neal will be back in the Staples Center on April 2 when the Lakers will retire his No. 34 jersey at halftime of their game against the Dallas Mavericks.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8942694/kobe-bryant-says-shaquille-oneal-improved-relationship
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Shaq won with the Heat
kobe needed Pau and Bynum
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Shaq won because of Wade. He was a shell of his former self. That championship was all Wade.
Kobe needed Pau, but not necessarily Bynum. Bynum was injured and didn't play for larges stretches during their championship run.
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it was wade and alonzo. shaq was useless by then.
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it was wade and alonzo. shaq was useless by then.
Truth.
How do you doing Quick?
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Shaq won with the Heat
kobe needed Pau and Bynum
What a joke.
Wade > Pau and Bynum barely played in the 2009 and 2010 Finals.
Kobe was Finals MVP in 2009 and 2010. Wade was Finals MVP when Miami won it in 2006, not Shaq.
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I heard from people who know shaq (one played in NBA with him) that he's a good dude.