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I saw a job offer in South Africa; ICT helpdesk function at IBM in Johannesburg. Based on the requirements I'm qualified for the job, but the salary seems bad, about 1700 EUR / +2200 USD :-\ , not sure how this salary relates to SA standards.
I understand that SA has high crime rates (I'm a Dutch whitey ;D), but it would be a nice chance to develop more international experience :)
Any experiences, thoughts, suggestions, etc?
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one of the highest crime rates in the world
crime is so bad that after sundown woman are legally allowed to run red lights (red robots they call them there haha) if they feel unsafe
i wouldnt go
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Just go and fuck some zebra bitches while you're there... ;D
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depends , if they provide living in safe area for you,why not.
id prefer china
Exactly, your just as close to rough shit living in San diego, as you are in SA.
Just don't go venturing out into the townships and should be fine.
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I saw a job offer in South Africa; ICT helpdesk function at IBM in Johannesburg. Based on the requirements I'm qualified for the job, but the salary seems bad, about 1700 EUR / +2200 USD :-\ , not sure how this salary relates to SA standards.
I understand that SA has high crime rates (I'm a Dutch whitey ;D), but it would be a nice chance to develop more international experience :)
Any experiences, thoughts, suggestions, etc?
is that net or gross salary?
if this is feasible i would consider it
fuck being stuck in a shitty DC for life with no adventures etc :-\
where are you finding these jobs? do they have jobs for nigeria? hehe
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Exactly, your just as close to rough shit living in San diego, as you are in SA.
Just don't go venturing out into the townships and should be fine.
Listen to this man he offers wisdom obtained through years of living alone in his studio flat browsing the Internet.
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I'm from SA and $2200 is quite a lot for us here. It equates to almost R20,000 here and that's more than enough to live a fairly luxurious life.
Crime is somewhat a problem, but media still blows it out of proportion. It depends on which area you live etc as in all countries.
Johannesburg is quite a bitch when it comes to traffic etc but its a nice city to live in besides that.
I would say you could consider it, as South Africa is a beautiful place other wise.
I just hope that in the near future a white president is elected again as most of the blacks here are fucking useless idiots.
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Listen to this man he offers wisdom obtained through years of living alone in his studio flat browsing the Internet.
Yawn.
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I'm from SA and $2200 is quite a lot for us here. It equates to almost R20,000 here and that's more than enough to live a fairly luxurious life.
Crime is somewhat a problem, but media still blows it out of proportion. It depends on which area you live etc as in all countries.
Johannesburg is quite a bitch when it comes to traffic etc but its a nice city to live in besides that.
I would say you could consider it, as South Africa is a beautiful place other wise.
I just hope that in the near future a white president is elected again as most of the blacks here are fucking useless idiots.
20k is alright, not great, depends where you live like anywhere else in the world, some areas are first world, others are like brazilian/philipino shantytowns (called locations here)
As for the white prez thing ;D, we're in Africa, gotta put up with some shit, its the way it is...
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depends , if they provide living in safe area for you,why not.
id prefer china
AFAIK, there's no corporate safe zone. They only assist in seeking a place.
is that net or gross salary?
if this is feasible i would consider it
fuck being stuck in a shitty DC for life with no adventures etc :-\
where are you finding these jobs? do they have jobs for nigeria? hehe
Most prob gross. Vacancy was in a news paper on my work, since they seek for people who talk fluent Dutch.
Yes, it's not only an opportunity, but also an adventure. I'm bored in my country.
I'm from SA and $2200 is quite a lot for us here. It equates to almost R20,000 here and that's more than enough to live a fairly luxurious life.
Crime is somewhat a problem, but media still blows it out of proportion. It depends on which area you live etc as in all countries.
Johannesburg is quite a bitch when it comes to traffic etc but its a nice city to live in besides that.
I would say you could consider it, as South Africa is a beautiful place other wise.
I just hope that in the near future a white president is elected again as most of the blacks here are fucking useless idiots.
Nice post, thanks for sharing :) Is it advised to stay home in the late evening, or depends this also on which area you are?
BTW, how are the SA white women, do they all look like Charlize Theron?
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Most prob gross. Vacancy was in a news paper on my work, since they seek for people who talk fluent Dutch.
Yes, it's mot only an opportunity, but also an adventure. I'm bored in my country.
if you have nothing holding you back i would investigate this and go for it
nice weather
black pussy, black pussy everywhere
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AFAIK, there's no corporate safe zone. They only assist in seeking a place.
Most prob gross. Vacancy was in a news paper on my work, since they seek for people who talk fluent Dutch.
Yes, it's mot only an opportunity, but also an adventure. I'm bored in my country.
Nice post, thanks for sharing :) Is it advised to stay home in the late evening, or depends this also on which area you are?
BTW, how are the SA white women, do they all look like Charlize Theron?
You could still go out clubbing etc, its not that dangerous in a sense like if you walk outside your home they stab you, but you have to be careful and more aware of what's going on. Lock your house, car when you leave etc. Especially be aware at robots (traffic lights) late at night. But like I said it depends on the area. Some are quite safe, others are not.
Like Figo said you get the upper class safe areas and then you get the lower class (location) where crime is higher.
SA women are of the most beautiful in the world I would say. There's not one place you will go where you do not see beautiful women.
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You could still go out clubbing etc, its not that dangerous in a sense like if you walk outside your home they stab you, but you have to be careful and more aware of what's going on. Lock your house, car when you leave etc. Especially be aware at robots (traffic lights) late at night. But like I said it depends on the area. Some are quite safe, others are not.
Like Figo said you get the upper class safe areas and then you get the lower class (location) where crime is higher.
SA women are of the most beautiful in the world I would say. There's not one place you will go where you do not see beautiful women.
shit i would be overdosing on them at least if they are willing
deliscious african damsels
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shit i would be overdosing on them at least if they are willing
deliscious african damsels
He's talking about the whites, you dumbbell.
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He's talking about the whites, you dumbbell.
Exactly. I don't know why people think there are only black women here. Sure they might be more than the white women, but there are more than enough white women to go around.
I don't find black women attractive at all
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Exactly. I don't know why people think there are only black women here. Sure they might be more than the white women, but there are more than enough white women to go around.
I don't find black women attractive at all
More, LOL, understatement of the year.
More as in outnumbered ten to one.
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Where in SA are you, animal1991?
How old are you?
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depends , if they provide living in safe area for you,why not.
as long as you dont end up on the Pistorius compound.
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I saw a job offer in South Africa; ICT helpdesk function at IBM in Johannesburg. Based on the requirements I'm qualified for the job, but the salary seems bad, about 1700 EUR / +2200 USD :-\ , not sure how this salary relates to SA standards.
I understand that SA has high crime rates (I'm a Dutch whitey ;D), but it would be a nice chance to develop more international experience :)
Any experiences, thoughts, suggestions, etc?
^^
Just live in a "white area" and don't go out after 8pm, I know pilots from there. MOST items pretty good deal, much more prettier girls there than here as well, I'm sure good deal on gym membership too...
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Where in SA are you, animal1991?
How old are you?
I'm from Bloemfontein. Turning 22 this year.
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He's talking about the whites, you dumbbell.
bahahahaha now that's funny
go to africa
fuck white women
;D
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Africa and South Africa is not the same thing.
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I'm from Bloemfontein. Turning 22 this year.
"Flower fountain", sounds a bit gay ;D
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"Flower fountain", sounds a bit gay ;D
Haha, didn't choose the name. BTW, "flower fountain" has some of the hottest girls...
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"Flower fountain", sounds a bit gay ;D
They all have such names. Hazyview, LOL. Probably to hide the absolutely brutal manner in which they were acquired.
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as long as you dont end up on the Pistorius compound.
Lol
Areas-wise, for example, I'm in Cape Town, I've stayed in Sea point, which is cosmopolitan, near the sea, tourist friendly, expensive overall compared to rest of province, not as expensive as Camps Bay or Clifton, but in relation to country, higher propertyy prices, fairly safe, but there are car break-ins, etc, but not home invasions or hectic shit
I also lived in outskirt of town in the northern suburbs, there its predominantly Afrikaner middle to upper middle class, you can still walk around the mall and not see black people sometimes, very racist still, and interracial couples are a no-no, whereas in the City of Cape Town itself, its "normal". In the northern suburbs if an afrikaner youngster brings home a dark skinned gf or bf, its worse than saying they're gay or they're dealing crack in church to 5 year olds and sodomizing nuns.
In Cape Town itself which is where I stay now, the rent for a nice 2 bedroom apartment can get you a 3/4 bedroom house with pool and garage, garden in Northern suburbs. For biz purposes I need large central premises, cost me a fortune. Town still has old victorian homes, lots of old dutch influence, loads of tourists, everything walking distance
The southern suburbs are mainly old english money, or students and english middle class historically, since new south africa, also very coloured
Low income blacks and coloureds reside in "locations" and "coloured areas" bit far out, shacks, pre-fab housing and low cost construction, semi paved roads
Low income whites fall somewhere in between, usually run down housing around commercial and industrial areas. Foreign blacks same thing
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I'm from Bloemfontein. Turning 22 this year.
Being from Bloem explains your racial sentiment, we've all had to adapt
I came to SA as a kid and went to school in JHB during apartheid, before racial integration.
Things have changed a lot, not really for the best for us
I grew up in jhb, and also spent some time in boksburg, so I was used to those ways (as you know boksburg was the last place to take down "whites only" signs)
No problem with racial integration, it is africa, but all the foreign africans get on my poes, I don't need 10 car guards, 5 parking marshalls, and 3 bergies speaking to me in west african accents asking for money just to go to shop
Wish they'd tighten up borders
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Being from Bloem explains your racial sentiment, we've all had to adapt
I came to SA as a kid and went to school in JHB during apartheid, before racial integration.
Things have changed a lot, not really for the best for us
I grew up in jhb, and also spent some time in boksburg, so I was used to those ways (as you know boksburg was the last place to take down "whites only" signs)
No problem with racial integration, it is africa, but all the foreign africans get on my poes, I don't need 10 car guards, 5 parking marshalls, and 3 bergies speaking to me in west african accents asking for money just to go to shop
Wish they'd tighten up borders
I used to accept them when I was younger but the older I get and the more I get to do with them the more I dislike them.
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Based on what I heard about Jo'burg - $2k a day.
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I saw a job offer in South Africa; ICT helpdesk function at IBM in Johannesburg. Based on the requirements I'm qualified for the job, but the salary seems bad, about 1700 EUR / +2200 USD :-\ , not sure how this salary relates to SA standards.
I understand that SA has high crime rates (I'm a Dutch whitey ;D), but it would be a nice chance to develop more international experience :)
Any experiences, thoughts, suggestions, etc?
have you been offered the job?
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depends , if they provide living in safe area for you,why not.
id prefer china
true
if you are white, go to aisan countries like china, japan, south korea, or thailand, you will be treated like god there
and living over there is much cheaper compared to western world
and pussies will flush themselves to your cock
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I saw a job offer in South Africa; ICT helpdesk function at IBM in Johannesburg. Based on the requirements I'm qualified for the job, but the salary seems bad, about 1700 EUR / +2200 USD :-\ , not sure how this salary relates to SA standards.
I understand that SA has high crime rates (I'm a Dutch whitey ;D), but it would be a nice chance to develop more international experience :)
Any experiences, thoughts, suggestions, etc?
I used to work for IBM they suck as a employee relationship worst company I have ever worked for, so try it you want but they layoff often, kinda like "rolling the dice" if you go with them.
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have you been offered the job?
A vacancy, not literal a job offer
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I am South African as well.
It all depends where you stay.
Like any country there are shitty areas and good areas.
Same with the crime depends on the area your in.
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I used to work for IBM they suck as a employee relationship worst company I have ever worked for, so try it you want but they layoff often, kinda like "rolling the dice" if you go with them.
Thanks for the warning. I'm actually not that surprised; there are good explanations why companies became large ones. I've learned that promises aren't contracts ;)
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Lol
Areas-wise, for example, I'm in Cape Town, I've stayed in Sea point, which is cosmopolitan, near the sea, tourist friendly, expensive overall compared to rest of province, not as expensive as Camps Bay or Clifton, but in relation to country, higher propertyy prices, fairly safe, but there are car break-ins, etc, but not home invasions or hectic shit
I also lived in outskirt of town in the northern suburbs, there its predominantly Afrikaner middle to upper middle class, you can still walk around the mall and not see black people sometimes, very racist still, and interracial couples are a no-no, whereas in the City of Cape Town itself, its "normal". In the northern suburbs if an afrikaner youngster brings home a dark skinned gf or bf, its worse than saying they're gay or they're dealing crack in church to 5 year olds and sodomizing nuns.
In Cape Town itself which is where I stay now, the rent for a nice 2 bedroom apartment can get you a 3/4 bedroom house with pool and garage, garden in Northern suburbs. For biz purposes I need large central premises, cost me a fortune. Town still has old victorian homes, lots of old dutch influence, loads of tourists, everything walking distance
The southern suburbs are mainly old english money, or students and english middle class historically, since new south africa, also very coloured
Low income blacks and coloureds reside in "locations" and "coloured areas" bit far out, shacks, pre-fab housing and low cost construction, semi paved roads
Low income whites fall somewhere in between, usually run down housing around commercial and industrial areas. Foreign blacks same thing
I live in the Northern Burbs and there are more coloured peope than white. My street has a ratio of 5 to 2 (Coloured to white) and the coloured people have much more money than whites due to AA, when was the last time you where here?
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Gary Strydom was from South Africa a class guy, met him a few times at contests very articulate as well.
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Is this map a good indication regarding the risk areas in J'burg?
(http://ceroi.net/reports/johannesburg/csoe/images/envissues/poverty/analysis/less%20serious%20crime.jpg)
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this would be a lot more interesting than driving bicycle every day to work in dutch weather :D :D
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this would be a lot more interesting than driving bicycle every day to work in dutch weather :D :D
except that Joberg is very cold in the winter
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this would be a lot more interesting than driving bicycle every day to work in dutch weather :D :D
Seriously, I don't mind riding 20 miles a day. I wouldn't even start a thread like this, if I had the chance to work/live in Canada.
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Seriously, I don't mind riding 20 miles a day. I wouldn't even start a thread like this, if I had the chance to work/live in Canada.
Huh, canada is super easy to get in especially if you re young and have diplomas, plan to start a family. Population is old and needs replacement. Tons of good looking rich women. Tons of job opportunities at all levels. Especially if english is your first language. Also it's one of the very few economies in the world that is not in debt, but its exports are 80% toward the united states which are badly in debts so when the us crash there will be some backlash in canada too. Still, it's a solid place to plan a stable future among the shit that s going to hit the fan worldwide soon. Tons of ressources too. Lately a lot of americans are moving to english canada again to flee unemployment in the us that is growing.. again.
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Huh, canada is super easy to get in especially if you re young and have diplomas, plan to start a family. Population is old and needs replacement. Tons of good looking rich women. Tons of job opportunities at all levels. Especially if english is your first language. Also it's one of the very few economies in the world that is not in debt, but its exports are 80% toward the united states which are badly in debts so when the us crash there will be some backlash in canada too. Still, it's a solid place to plan a stable future among the shit that s going to hit the fan worldwide soon. Tons of ressources too. Lately a lot of americans are moving to english canada again to flee unemployment in the us that is growing.. again.
Thanks for your post.
To start with the 'bad' things, I'm not that young anymore (40), don't have family plans, and being a Dutchman, English isn't my first language. I have my diplomas & certifications, but they're not that interesting. However, I do have a wide working experience, esp in distribution, IT support and as a certified trainer.
Yes, based on what I saw and heard, Canada seems to have a stable economy, has good & decent citizens, a good healthcare system and beautiful nature.
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Thanks for your post.
To start with the 'bad' things, I'm not that young anymore (40), don't have family plans, and being a Dutchman, English isn't my first language. I have my diplomas & certifications, but they're not that interesting. However, I do have a wide working experience, esp in distribution, IT support and as a certified trainer.
Yes, based on what I saw and heard, Canada seems to have a stable economy, has good & decent citizens, a good healthcare system and beautiful nature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Canada
Places are going to get rarer as americans will probably massively move to english canada soon to survive the economic depression that's coming there.
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maybe we can try to get a job in uberman's company
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maybe we can try to get a job in uberman's company
they re firing personnel at the moment, oldest people. We re contracting too, cause people buy less and less bakeries. The bread part of the factory still works fine tho. Bakeries are luxury products; people buy less of them as their incomes decrease, while bread is a base product everyone buys.
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I'm from SA and $2200 is quite a lot for us here. It equates to almost R20,000 here and that's more than enough to live a fairly luxurious life.
Crime is somewhat a problem, but media still blows it out of proportion. It depends on which area you live etc as in all countries.
Johannesburg is quite a bitch when it comes to traffic etc but its a nice city to live in besides that.
I would say you could consider it, as South Africa is a beautiful place other wise.
I just hope that in the near future a white president is elected again as most of the blacks here are fucking useless idiots.
Sorry but they will never again elect a white president - not while whites are a minority. Only in liberal white majority countries can a minority non-white become president. This does not happen in majority non-white countries.
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Sorry but they will never again elect a white president - not while whites are a minority. Only in liberal white majority countries can a minority non-white become president. This does not happen in majority non-white countries.
exactly. Whites should have killed al the darkies once and for all, now the oposite is going to take place. Darkies will slowly push whiteys outside until there s none left. Weird country where white and black people hate each others openly yet still dont want to quit because of the nice landscapes.
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Sorry but they will never again elect a white president - not while whites are a minority. Only in liberal white majority countries can a minority non-white become president. This does not happen in majority non-white countries.
I just hope SA doesn't turn into Zimbabwe. The way its going now seems like it! Fuuuck! Which country to emigrate to? Australia? New Zealand? Canada also sounds like a good option??
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I live in the Northern Burbs and there are more coloured peope than white. My street has a ratio of 5 to 2 (Coloured to white) and the coloured people have much more money than whites due to AA, when was the last time you where here?
Moved 2008
Referring to Durbanville, Kenridge, Welgemoed, etc.. I stayed in Platekloof, Loevenstein and Sonstraal Heights
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I'm from South Africa.....but no longer live there.
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I'm from South Africa.....but no longer live there.
Where do you live now?
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I'm from South Africa.....but no longer live there.
Are there specific reasons for that?
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I just hope SA doesn't turn into Zimbabwe. The way its going now seems like it! Fuuuck! Which country to emigrate to? Australia? New Zealand? Canada also sounds like a good option??
Born and raised Zimbabwean. Mugabe destroyed our once beautiful country. I'm in LA now.
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true
if you are white, go to aisan countries like china, japan, south korea, or thailand, you will be treated like god there
and living over there is much cheaper compared to western world
and pussies will flush themselves to your cock
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You certainly won't get treated like a God, nor is living in S.Korea or Japan cheap.
To be honest, most "English teacher" types are treated like untermenschen in S.Korea and Japan these days...
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You certainly won't get treated like a God, nor is living in S.Korea or Japan cheap.
To be honest, most "English teacher" types are treated like untermenschen in S.Korea and Japan these days...
lol
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one of the highest crime rates in the world
crime is so bad that after sundown woman are legally allowed to run red lights (red robots they call them there haha) if they feel unsafe
i wouldnt go
How can there be a high crime rate? I thought guns were banned in South Africa?
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How can there be a high crime rate? I thought guns were banned in South Africa?
maybe they rely on more primitive weapons
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exactly. Whites should have killed al the darkies once and for all, now the oposite is going to take place. Darkies will slowly push whiteys outside until there s none left. Weird country where white and black people hate each others openly yet still dont want to quit because of the nice landscapes.
Why was South Africa really given up? ???
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maybe they rely on more primitive weapons
I'm being sarcastic... When the crime rate is already out of control, banning law abiding citizens from owning firearms to defend themselves is inconceivable.
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You certainly won't get treated like a God, nor is living in S.Korea or Japan cheap.
To be honest, most "English teacher" types are treated like untermenschen in S.Korea and Japan these days...
i guess you are very ugly
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i guess you are very ugly
lol
I guess you've never been to Asia. It shows when you write stupid shit like "Living in Japan is cheaper than living in the west," you dunce.
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Born and raised Zimbabwean. Mugabe destroyed our once beautiful country. I'm in LA now.
LA....? So you now get to see another group of people drag a country down
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Where do you live now?
In the UK, London.
Are there specific reasons for that?
The main reason was that I wanted to live in a safer country.
Also, there's a always a degree of political instability and this effects the economy and currency as well.
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LA....? So you now get to see another group of people drag a country down
Yep!!! That's exactly right!!!!
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Why was South Africa really given up? ???
what do you mean?
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Why was South Africa really given up? ???
According to FW de Klerk, the white president who decided to enter into negotiations with the ANC, it was not because of sanctions but because Communism in Europe was finished and the Soviet Union was collapsing.
This, according to him meant that the ANC would no longer receive Soviet backing and would not be able to realise their dream of being a Communist state.
And was therefore the right moment in time to enter into negotiations.
The ANC was funded and trained by the Soviet Union and would no doubt have been one of their satellite states if the Soviet Union had not ended. This would have given them access to a wealth of gold, diamonds, coal, platinum and other minerals as well as controlling one of the main world shipping routes.
This was a stated aim of the Soviet leadership and they had Colonel ranked KGB members in the ANC and their allies the SA Communist Party (who still rule with the ANC today...)
Remember that South Africa had been fighting Soviet backed Angolans backed by Soviet 'advisors', Cubans and troops and resources from Eastern Bloc countries.
FW de Klerk also claims that if not for his decision the country would still probably be under white rule today.
According to PW Botha, his predecessor, he was personally offered millions by the CIA and MIA6 but refused, and it was his opinion that the leadership, after ousting him, had accepted the offers.
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Because eventually it would have all-out civil war.
If there is eventually a civil war it will be between the blacks.
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According to FW de Klerk, the white president who decided to enter into negotiations with the ANC, it was not because of sanctions but because Communism in Europe was finished and the Soviet Union was collapsing.
This, according to him meant that the ANC would no longer receive Soviet backing and would not be able to realise their dream of being a Communist state.
And was therefore the right moment in time to enter into negotiations.
The ANC was funded and trained by the Soviet Union and would no doubt have been one of their satellite states if the Soviet Union had not ended. This would have given them access to a wealth of gold, diamonds, coal, platinum and other minerals as well as controlling one of the main world shipping routes.
This was a stated aim of the Soviet leadership and they had Colonel ranked KGB members in the ANC and their allies the SA Communist Party (who still rule with the ANC today...)
Remember that South Africa had been fighting Soviet backed Angolans backed by Soviet 'advisors', Cubans and troops and resources from Eastern Bloc countries.
FW de Klerk also claims that if not for his decision the country would still probably be under white rule today.
According to PW Botha, his predecessor, he was personally offered millions by the CIA and MIA6 but refused, and it was his opinion that the leadership, after ousting him, had accepted the offers.
Damn, that's interesting. Thanks
I think I read that his wife was murdered by a black security guard. :P
Is De Klerk regarded as a traitor? Does he still live in SA?
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lol
I guess you've never been to Asia. It shows when you write stupid shit like "Living in Japan is cheaper than living in the west," you dunce.
I never wrote "Living in Japan is cheaper than living in the west,", that's the shit you made up
I didn't pinpoint any specific asian country in my statement, which just generally expressed my own point that living in aisa is cheaper than living in the west, which is based on my own experience.
and for job, what I mean is a real job, not the teaching english shit,
of course you are right, if you are so ugly and can't have a real job, aisan pussies will not treat you like god, and you will be miserable living there.
so which one is you? fucking ugly or fucking stupid?
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Listen to this man he offers wisdom obtained through years of living alone in his studio flat browsing the Internet.
;D ;D ;D
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Why was South Africa really given up? ???
Ultimatly all regimes that do not command majority respect and over reach themselves militarilly usually collapes as their finances collapse. Up to the 90ies SA did not command majority respect and was was involved in several wars aound it that (Namibia, Angola, Mozambique) it would never win. It ois probable the collapse of the Soviet Union allowed a suitable hiatus for all concerned to try some thing new
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Ultimatly all regimes that do not command majority respect and over reach themselves militarilly usually collapes as their finances collapse. Up to the 90ies SA did not command majority respect and was was involved in several wars aound it that (Namibia, Angola, Mozambique) it would never win. It ois probable the collapse of the Soviet Union allowed a suitable hiatus for all concerned to try some thing new
If the whites did not vote YES in the 1992 referendum where the question was asked whether the government should continue with negotiations with the ANC for multi-racial elections then white rule would have continued.
Militarily they had more than enough to deal with any issues locally and had already concluded the war in Angola and withdrawn from Namibia. There was no more financial burden of external wars.
Externally, no foreign powers would have interfered due to having atomic bombs.
The townships and locations were and still are designed to be cut off with minimal manpower and carpet bombed or shelled. Due to the close proximity of housing minimal fires would be needed to have caused massive destruction.
Whites on the other hand were and are less concentrated.
Don't forget that a lot of the police were black and that blacks were also used in the special forces and elite fighting groups such as 32 battalion.
Under PW Botha, the plan was for an extended Federal structure with blacks represented in the South African parliament as well, albeit separately.
And with the Homelands, the blacks had their independent states and self-rule, but unfortunately not recognised by most of the world even though they had their own parliaments, uniforms, military, police, passports, bureacracies etc.
And contrary to popular belief they held the most fertile lands as their ancestors knew this, most of SA is desert or arid so the figures representing the percentage of white South Africa were misleading as most of it was uninhabitable or uninhabited while the Homelands had good land.
Also, tax from South Africa went to develop these Homelands.
North Korea is still going, and I see no reason why South Africa under white rule would not have carried on.
Anyway, racial classification ended in 1991 and most apartheid laws were gone in the 80's except for living in residential areas and their were unclassified zones were anyone could live as well.
Before 1991 I was at school with blacks and coloureds as well and in the 80's had Taiwanese people living in my neigbourhood. Many of the universities in the 80's were also multi-racial and Mandela and the rest of the terrorists all got their degrees in jail or house arrest under government payment.
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I do not have your native experience of SA, I was working in the region on and off 89-90 and only visited SA briefly.
Never the less history suggest the over exertion of military and financial resorces coupled with a lack of majority support for the existing policy usually forces changes. The new situation may not be what anybody wanted but most revolutions kick open doors. The French Revolution, Russian Revolution, Soviet Collapse .. were all proseeded by costly unpopular (unwinnable) foreign wars. America suffered some of these affects but withdrew from Vietnam before it could destabilise itsself, A huge part of its present financial problems has come about from waging two costly foreign wars but the majority still trust the present system. N Korea appears to be throwing more shapes than shrapnell but the regime will collapse from within unless its clever like China That white SA voted to change tack suggests declining faith for what was in hindsight unable to be maintained for decades. That which will not bend will frequently break
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I never wrote "Living in Japan is cheaper than living in the west,", that's the shit you made up
I didn't pinpoint any specific asian country in my statement, which just generally expressed my own point that living in aisa is cheaper than living in the west, which is based on my own experience.
and for job, what I mean is a real job, not the teaching english shit,
of course you are right, if you are so ugly and can't have a real job, aisan pussies will not treat you like god, and you will be miserable living there.
so which one is you? fucking ugly or fucking stupid?
Have you ever even been to Japan or South Korea? Answer honestly.
...It seems to me like, if anything, you've only spent time with the untermenschen in third-world places like Thailand, Vietnam, the Philippines, etc. Asia is a big place, and there are huge differences between the rich countries of the north & the desperately poor countries of the south.
See, your opinions and experience are utterly irrelevant. Japan and S.Korea are not cheaper, and in fact they may even be more expensive -- nor will you get any special treatment as a foreigner, and in fact the opposite may be true in some instances. I agree that if you go to Thailand you'll be treated very handsomely, but it's essentially only because the women there see you as a ticket out of poverty.
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Any experiences, thoughts, suggestions, etc?
Make sure to bang some young bitches if you go there
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/over-25-of-schoolgirls-in-south-africa-are-hiv-positive-because-sugar-daddies-are-taking-advantage-of-them-says-health-minister-aaron-motsoaledi-8534790.html
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Have you ever even been to Japan or South Korea? Answer honestly.
...It seems to me like, if anything, you've only spent time with the untermenschen in third-world places like Thailand, Vietnam, the Philippines, etc. Asia is a big place, and there are huge differences between the rich countries of the north & the desperately poor countries of the south.
See, your opinions and experience are utterly irrelevant. Japan and S.Korea are not cheaper, and in fact they may even be more expensive -- nor will you get any special treatment as a foreigner, and in fact the opposite may be true in some instances. I agree that if you go to Thailand you'll be treated very handsomely, but it's essentially only because the women there see you as a ticket out of poverty.
This.
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You might want to learn how to spell Africa first.
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exactly. Whites should have killed al the darkies once and for all, now the oposite is going to take place. Darkies will slowly push whiteys outside until there s none left. Weird country where white and black people hate each others openly yet still dont want to quit because of the nice landscapes.
White people should not have came over to begin with. They should all leave if they don't like the way things are now.
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Huh, canada is super easy to get in especially if you re young and have diplomas, plan to start a family. Population is old and needs replacement. Tons of good looking rich women. Tons of job opportunities at all levels. Especially if english is your first language. Also it's one of the very few economies in the world that is not in debt, but its exports are 80% toward the united states which are badly in debts so when the us crash there will be some backlash in canada too. Still, it's a solid place to plan a stable future among the shit that s going to hit the fan worldwide soon. Tons of ressources too. Lately a lot of americans are moving to english canada again to flee unemployment in the us that is growing.. again.
Yep.
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I do not have your native experience of SA, I was working in the region on and off 89-90 and only visited SA briefly.
Never the less history suggest the over exertion of military and financial resorces coupled with a lack of majority support for the existing policy usually forces changes. The new situation may not be what anybody wanted but most revolutions kick open doors. The French Revolution, Russian Revolution, Soviet Collapse .. were all proseeded by costly unpopular (unwinnable) foreign wars. America suffered some of these affects but withdrew from Vietnam before it could destabilise itsself, A huge part of its present financial problems has come about from waging two costly foreign wars but the majority still trust the present system. N Korea appears to be throwing more shapes than shrapnell but the regime will collapse from within unless its clever like China That white SA voted to change tack suggests declining faith for what was in hindsight unable to be maintained for decades. That which will not bend will frequently break
I think voting YES was more due to whites wanting to be part of the international community again, such as travel more easily and take part in international sports again.
They knew they could keep it going, but they would be isolated and viewed as pariahs.
The fact is that it was not a 'collapse' due to a financial situation or whatever but rather a negotiated settlement where the leaders and many whites thought it was good time to do so due to the reasons listed above.
With TV and especially satellite, people wanted to be part of the globalised world they saw on the TV
It bothers me that history is getting re-written to present the situation as it was a 'collapse' when the same government ruled for another 4 years and prepared the country for the next elections.
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White people should not have came over to begin with. They should all leave if they don't like the way things are now.
The white people since 350 years ago did not choose to be there just as you did not choose to be living in America instead of Africa. The same could be said for white Americans, Australians, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, etc.
Many would like to leave, but it is not easy due to finances and visas etc.
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I think voting YES was more due to whites wanting to be part of the international community again, such as travel more easily and take part in international sports again.
They knew they could keep it going, but they would be isolated and viewed as pariahs.
The fact is that it was not a 'collapse' due to a financial situation or whatever but rather a negotiated settlement where the leaders and many whites thought it was good time to do so due to the reasons listed above.
With TV and especially satellite, people wanted to be part of the globalised world they saw on the TV
It bothers me that history is getting re-written to present the situation as it was a 'collapse' when the same government ruled for another 4 years and prepared the country for the next elections.
I dont think it collapsed as such though I doubt it would have lasted for decades, time was never going to be on its side . Rather it was a good example of making changes while still able to and an admission that collapse would happened if the same course were maintained. Perhaps something was learned from the Whenwes after all
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I dont think it collapsed as such though I doubt it would have lasted for decades, time was never going to be on its side . Rather it was a good example of making changes while still able to and an admission that collapse would happened if the same course were maintained. Perhaps something was learned from the Whenwes after all
I see what you're saying regarding the Rhodesians, though they far heavily outnumbered and only a few thousand fighting really.
But yes, avoiding the potential of a future war allowed for a much better position to negotiate. It is always better to negotiate from a position of strength than the other way around.
There was the real risk of the military taking over around 1994, but the retired General after meeting with Mandela decided not to go this route.
I think if had carried on and there was any potential of a collapse, then the military would have taken over.
How this would have turned out, no one knows for sure or how the whites would have reacted.
But like in a real fight, no matter how strong you are, you never know what can happen and this was probably a part of their reasoning.
Though, the military was very strong with one of the best special forces in the world.
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They should all leave if they don't like the way things are now.
Lets apply that policy to black people in the United States? ???
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Damn, that's interesting. Thanks
I think I read that his wife was murdered by a black security guard. :P
Is De Klerk regarded as a traitor? Does he still live in SA?
His wive was murdered by a black gardener I think.
About De Klerk, I guess it depends on who you ask.
And no, he doesn't live in SA anymore, he lives overseas and is wealthy haha
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If there is eventually a civil war it will be between the blacks.
Yes, I didn't necessarily mean between blacks and whites. Taking into account the conflict between the ANC and another organisation whose name escapes me right now.
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White people should not have came over to begin with. They should all leave if they don't like the way things are now.
I agree with the first part
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I agree with the first part
Most were fleeing religious persecution in Europe.
The history of the world and nations is one of population migration and wars.
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Didnt read. Its spelled Africa.
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Make sure to bang some young bitches if you go there
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/over-25-of-schoolgirls-in-south-africa-are-hiv-positive-because-sugar-daddies-are-taking-advantage-of-them-says-health-minister-aaron-motsoaledi-8534790.html
Damn, that's pretty sad
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Didnt read. Its spelled Africa.
not in Dutch or Afrikaans
wer u knot defening your inkorect spilling on another broad just no?
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You might want to learn how to spell Africa first.
You might want to learn how to speak a bit Suid Afrikaans first ;)
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shitzo doesn't need to spell properly, he's an "idiot savant"- einstein couldn't spell either
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shitzo doesn't need to spell properly, he's an "idiot savant"- einstein couldn't spell either
;D
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he doesn't live in SA anymore, he lives overseas and is wealthy haha
I think he should be forced to live among the people he fucked over. :-X
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Most were fleeing religious persecution in Europe.
The history of the world and nations is one of population migration and wars.
And others were opportunists- it's the same old story with colonisation. The problem was, Africa was not like America or Australia.
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You might want to learn how to speak a bit Suid Afrikaans first ;)
lol, Amerrrrrica fuck yeah!!!!!!
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lol, Amerrrrrica fuck yeah!!!!!!
Land of the free rising debt ;D
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Congrats on getting over 100 posts. One day you can get to my level. Just give the people what they want.
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His wive was murdered by a black gardener I think.
About De Klerk, I guess it depends on who you ask.
And no, he doesn't live in SA anymore, he lives overseas and is wealthy haha
And raped. Traitor.
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Ultimatly all regimes that do not command majority respect and over reach themselves militarilly usually collapes as their finances collapse. Up to the 90ies SA did not command majority respect and was was involved in several wars aound it that (Namibia, Angola, Mozambique) it would never win. It ois probable the collapse of the Soviet Union allowed a suitable hiatus for all concerned to try some thing new
The word regime (also "régime", from the original French pronunciation) refers to a set of conditions, most often of a political nature. Nowadays it is synonymous with "Whorish American Zionist Government"
If ever there was a regime in the world it would be this cesspool called American Government - a massive fraudulent Zionist tool.
Anyways, South Africa could have remained a majority white government for centuries if not the Zionist Western pressure to remove and transfer power from whites to blacks. The ultimate goal of course to gain more easy access to natural resources in South Africa which a corrupt black government would almost certainly hand over for a few million or billion.
Sanctions were enacted and white South Africans vilified all over the world.
A crime is being committed in the world. White genocide. Those that are perpetrating it will pay dearly.
Even in good ole USA the headline today on Zionist CNN was that the GOP is too white, too old and too stuffy. Note the negative language connected with the race. They are character assassinating an entire race. It is discriminating and a crime. Time to march these bastards to the guillotines for the crime of Genocide.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/republicans-want-to-end-perception-as-stuffy-old-men/?hpt=hp_t2 (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/republicans-want-to-end-perception-as-stuffy-old-men/?hpt=hp_t2)
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stay off the drugs , stay out of foreign wars and and have more babies
your pissOnanist Dr Lubermen may have biblical recommendations
The word regime (also "régime", from the original French pronunciation) refers to a set of conditions, most often of a political nature. Nowadays it is synonymous with "Whorish American Zionist Government"
If ever there was a regime in the world it would be this cesspool called American Government - a massive fraudulent Zionist tool.
Anyways, South Africa could have remained a majority white government for centuries if not the Zionist Western pressure to remove and transfer power from whites to blacks. The ultimate goal of course to gain more easy access to natural resources in South Africa which a corrupt black government would almost certainly hand over for a few million or billion.
Sanctions were enacted and white South Africans vilified all over the world.
A crime is being committed in the world. White genocide. Those that are perpetrating it will pay dearly.
Even in good ole USA the headline today on Zionist CNN was that the GOP is too white, too old and too stuffy. Note the negative language connected with the race. They are character assassinating an entire race. It is discriminating and a crime. Time to march these bastards to the guillotines for the crime of Genocide.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/republicans-want-to-end-perception-as-stuffy-old-men/?hpt=hp_t2 (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/republicans-want-to-end-perception-as-stuffy-old-men/?hpt=hp_t2)
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The word regime (also "régime", from the original French pronunciation) refers to a set of conditions, most often of a political nature. Nowadays it is synonymous with "Whorish American Zionist Government"
If ever there was a regime in the world it would be this cesspool called American Government - a massive fraudulent Zionist tool.
Anyways, South Africa could have remained a majority white government for centuries if not the Zionist Western pressure to remove and transfer power from whites to blacks. The ultimate goal of course to gain more easy access to natural resources in South Africa which a corrupt black government would almost certainly hand over for a few million or billion.
Sanctions were enacted and white South Africans vilified all over the world.
A crime is being committed in the world. White genocide. Those that are perpetrating it will pay dearly.
Even in good ole USA the headline today on Zionist CNN was that the GOP is too white, too old and too stuffy. Note the negative language connected with the race. They are character assassinating an entire race. It is discriminating and a crime. Time to march these bastards to the guillotines for the crime of Genocide.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/republicans-want-to-end-perception-as-stuffy-old-men/?hpt=hp_t2 (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/republicans-want-to-end-perception-as-stuffy-old-men/?hpt=hp_t2)
Yes, that's ultimately what it was about.
The leadership then got paid by the CIA to hand over the country, PW Botha says he was approached and offered a few million dollars not long before he was ousted by his own people.
Then immediately afterwards its announced that Mandela is going to be released.....a bit too much of a coincidence.
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The word regime (also "régime", from the original French pronunciation) refers to a set of conditions, most often of a political nature. Nowadays it is synonymous with "Whorish American Zionist Government"
If ever there was a regime in the world it would be this cesspool called American Government - a massive fraudulent Zionist tool.
Anyways, South Africa could have remained a majority white government for centuries if not the Zionist Western pressure to remove and transfer power from whites to blacks. The ultimate goal of course to gain more easy access to natural resources in South Africa which a corrupt black government would almost certainly hand over for a few million or billion.
Sanctions were enacted and white South Africans vilified all over the world.
A crime is being committed in the world. White genocide. Those that are perpetrating it will pay dearly.
Even in good ole USA the headline today on Zionist CNN was that the GOP is too white, too old and too stuffy. Note the negative language connected with the race. They are character assassinating an entire race. It is discriminating and a crime. Time to march these bastards to the guillotines for the crime of Genocide.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/republicans-want-to-end-perception-as-stuffy-old-men/?hpt=hp_t2 (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/republicans-want-to-end-perception-as-stuffy-old-men/?hpt=hp_t2)
for this process to be accepted they first had to convince white people they were responsible for all the bad things going on earth. This mental aids has spred quite successfully, white people are actually removing themselves from the globe willingly.
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I have a lot of respect 4 Boers, good fighters !.
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I have a lot of respect 4 Boers, good fighters !.
Great work ethic, rich culture, good people
Some are a bit reluctant to opening up to new things and out of old ways, but they probably have their reasons
I have a lot of respect for Afrikaners, like all races there's good and bad, but they're good natured people
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The word regime (also "régime", from the original French pronunciation) refers to a set of conditions, most often of a political nature. Nowadays it is synonymous with "Whorish American Zionist Government"
If ever there was a regime in the world it would be this cesspool called American Government - a massive fraudulent Zionist tool.
Anyways, South Africa could have remained a majority white government for centuries if not the Zionist Western pressure to remove and transfer power from whites to blacks. The ultimate goal of course to gain more easy access to natural resources in South Africa which a corrupt black government would almost certainly hand over for a few million or billion.
Sanctions were enacted and white South Africans vilified all over the world.
A crime is being committed in the world. White genocide. Those that are perpetrating it will pay dearly.
Even in good ole USA the headline today on Zionist CNN was that the GOP is too white, too old and too stuffy. Note the negative language connected with the race. They are character assassinating an entire race. It is discriminating and a crime. Time to march these bastards to the guillotines for the crime of Genocide.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/republicans-want-to-end-perception-as-stuffy-old-men/?hpt=hp_t2 (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/republicans-want-to-end-perception-as-stuffy-old-men/?hpt=hp_t2)
I hate to be the bearer of bad news....
(i) Whites are the superior race (assume as true for reductio purposes).
(ii) The superior race(s) triumph over the inferior ones.
(iii) Jews and a variety of dark-skinned races are triumphing over whites.
(iv) Therefore, Jews and a variety of dark-skinned races are superior to whites ((ii) & (iii))
(v) Therefore, whites are the superior race and whites are not the superior race ((i)-(iv))
Assuming that you find the deontic conditional 'required(x is an inferior race --> x gets eliminated) agreeable like any other card-carrying racist, you ought to be on the side of the Jews and darkies. Or are you in favor of inferiority when it pertains to yourself?
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news....
(i) Whites are the superior race (assume as true for reductio purposes).
(ii) The superior race(s) triumph over the inferior ones.
(iii) Jews and a variety of dark-skinned races are triumphing over whites.
(iv) Therefore, Jews and a variety of dark-skinned races are superior to whites ((ii) & (iii))
(v) Therefore, whites are the superior race and whites are not the superior race ((i)-(iv))
Assuming that you find the deontic conditional 'required(x is an inferior race --> x gets eliminated) agreeable like any other card-carrying racist, you ought to be on the side of the Jews and darkies. Or are you in favor of inferiority when it pertains to yourself?
Jews (specifically Ashkenazi) are the most intelligent and accomplished overall.
Whites are a close second, and possibly more balanced overall.
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Jews (specifically Ashkenazi) are the most intelligent and accomplished overall.
Whites are a close second, and possibly more balanced overall.
yeah, good doctor Mengele can confirm that ;D
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news....
(i) Whites are the superior race (assume as true for reductio purposes).
(ii) The superior race(s) triumph over the inferior ones.
(iii) Jews and a variety of dark-skinned races are triumphing over whites.
(iv) Therefore, Jews and a variety of dark-skinned races are superior to whites ((ii) & (iii))
(v) Therefore, whites are the superior race and whites are not the superior race ((i)-(iv))
Assuming that you find the deontic conditional 'required(x is an inferior race --> x gets eliminated) agreeable like any other card-carrying racist, you ought to be on the side of the Jews and darkies. Or are you in favor of inferiority when it pertains to yourself?
Wasn't it the germans ( white) who almost managed to wipe out all the Jews they could get their German hands on in Europe? And yes...because it was the Jews who defeated the NAZI Germany and not other white people, primarily slavs and American whites.
Check & mate.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news....
(i) Whites are the superior race (assume as true for reductio purposes).
(ii) The superior race(s) triumph over the inferior ones.
(iii) Jews and a variety of dark-skinned races are triumphing over whites.
(iv) Therefore, Jews and a variety of dark-skinned races are superior to whites ((ii) & (iii))
(v) Therefore, whites are the superior race and whites are not the superior race ((i)-(iv))
Assuming that you find the deontic conditional 'required(x is an inferior race --> x gets eliminated) agreeable like any other card-carrying racist, you ought to be on the side of the Jews and darkies. Or are you in favor of inferiority when it pertains to yourself?
His argument is based on inventions, scientific achievements and influence on modern civilization and culture.
Electricity, light-bulbs, TV, computers, cars, trains, aeroplanes, rockets, space ships, satellites, internet, telephone, radio....even trousers and 'modern' clothing.
Also, democracy and Roman Law.
Then there's also the issue of military strength.
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Wasn't it the germans ( white) who almost managed to wipe out all the Jews they could get their German hands on in Europe? And yes...because it was the Jews who defeated the NAZI Germany and not other white people, primarily slavs and American whites.
Check & mate.
The Jews persisted while the Reich did not. Hence, the Jews proved superior. Nothing I said implies that a superior race must defeat its opponents directly. Opposing me on this means saying that a race (or population within a race, ala the Reich) can be 'superior' despite not even being able to stay alive, an unlikely claim.
His argument is based on inventions, scientific achievements and influence on modern civilization and culture.
Electricity, light-bulbs, TV, computers, cars, trains, aeroplanes, rockets, space ships, satellites, internet, telephone, radio....even trousers and 'modern' clothing.
Also, democracy and Roman Law.
Then there's also the issue of military strength.
He didn't present an argument, as he doesn't know what an argument is. I could rationally reconstruct his words such that a coherent argument results, but I'm too lazy for that right now.
If whites are indeed superior, then they will not only survive the onslaught against them (the so-called genocide), but will triumph over the inferior races. If they don't survive (or otherwise continue on in a severely diminished state) then they weren't superior after all; their opponents will have proven superior. Thus, assuming -- as most racists do -- that only superior races ought to persist, to the extent the genocide is successful they ought to be supportive of darkies and Jews and opposed to whites, the inferior race in this struggle.
Of course, they're merely interested in feeling better about themselves even if they live in trailers or what have you, so the aforementioned change of heart will not occur even if it ought to logically.
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The Jews persisted while the Reich did not. Hence, the Jews proved superior. Nothing I said implies that a superior race must defeat its opponents directly. Opposing me on this means saying that a race (or population within a race, ala the Reich) can be 'superior' despite not even being able to stay alive, an unlikely claim.
He didn't present an argument, as he doesn't know what an argument is. I could rationally reconstruct his words such that a coherent argument results, but I'm too lazy for that right now.
If whites are indeed superior, then they will not only survive the onslaught against them (the so-called genocide), but will triumph over the inferior races. If they don't survive (or otherwise continue on in a severely diminished state) then they weren't superior after all; their opponents will have proven superior. Thus, assuming -- as most racists do -- that only superior races ought to persist, to the extent the genocide is successful they ought to be supportive of darkies and Jews and opposed to whites, the inferior race in this struggle.
Of course, they're merely interested in feeling better about themselves even if they live in trailers or what have you, so the aforementioned change of heart will not occur even if it ought to logically.
But to support a group that potentially wants to wipe out your group would not be in your own best interests.
If his argument is of 'genocide' then to support the group doing this is suicidal.
Our instincts are to survive and reproduce. That is it, everything else revolves around this.
Therefore, we choose the best options for our own survival and what we believe would give better prosperity, efficiency, safety etc.
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The Jews persisted while the Reich did not. Hence, the Jews proved superior. Nothing I said implies that a superior race must defeat its opponents directly. Opposing me on this means saying that a race (or population within a race, ala the Reich) can be 'superior' despite not even being able to stay alive, an unlikely claim.
He didn't present an argument, as he doesn't know what an argument is. I could rationally reconstruct his words such that a coherent argument results, but I'm too lazy for that right now.
If whites are indeed superior, then they will not only survive the onslaught against them (the so-called genocide), but will triumph over the inferior races. If they don't survive (or otherwise continue on in a severely diminished state) then they weren't superior after all; their opponents will have proven superior. Thus, assuming -- as most racists do -- that only superior races ought to persist, to the extent the genocide is successful they ought to be supportive of darkies and Jews and opposed to whites, the inferior race in this struggle.
Of course, they're merely interested in feeling better about themselves even if they live in trailers or what have you, so the aforementioned change of heart will not occur even if it ought to logically.
Don't ignore the main issue. If not for the intervention or involvement of other whites, European Jewry would have been wiped out as we know it.
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"Is that Shakespeare?" Terre'Blanche was dead right, warning Louis not to be cocky.
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"Is that Shakespeare?" Terre'Blanche was dead right, warning Louis not to be cocky.
i bet louis was a bit intimidated