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Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« on: February 11, 2007, 05:19:40 PM »
U.S. shows weapons it says tie Iran to Iraq
Shipments to Iraqis cleared at 'highest level,' officials say


BAGHDAD: After weeks of internal debate, senior American military officials on Sunday literally put on the table their first public evidence for the contentious assertion that Iran is supplying Shiite extremist groups in Iraq with deadly weaponry, including a terrifying variety of a roadside bomb that easily pierces American armor.

By far the most potent item on display was a squat canister designed to explode and spit out a molten ball of copper that cuts through armor and is perhaps the most feared weapon faced by American and Iraqi troops here.

Never before shown in public, the canister, which the U.S. military calls "an explosively formed penetrator," or EFP, arrives in Iraq in what the officials described as a "kit" containing high- grade metals and highly machined parts, like a strangely shaped, concave lid that folds into the ball while hurtling toward its target.

Because the weapon can be fired from roadsides and is favored by Shiite militias, it has become a serious threat in Baghdad. Only a small fraction of the roadside bombs used in Iraq are EFPs. But the device produces more casualties per attack than other types of roadside bombs.

The military officials revealed for the first time that since June 2004, when the first member of the American coalition here was killed by an EFP, the toll has been staggering: more than 170 dead and 620 wounded.

The pace of the attacks with those weapons nearly doubled in 2006 compared with the previous year and a half, the officials said.

At least one shipment of EFPs was captured as it was being smuggled across the border from Iran into southern Iraq in 2005, the officials said. The precise machining, the officials said, is another feature that links the weapons to Iran.

"We have no evidence that this has ever been done in Iraq," a senior U.S. military official said of that machining.

The officials also gave details on recent American raids in Baghdad and the northern city of Erbil in which members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, or Al Qods force, were picked up and accused of working with extremist groups to plan attacks on American and Iraqi forces.

Because the elite Al Qods force is involved, a senior defense analyst said, the American intelligence community is confident that the weapons shipments have been approved at "the highest levels of the Iranian government." Still, no direct evidence was presented of how the intelligence community has made that link.

There was also new information on the routes through which the smuggling is believed to take place and where coalition forces in Iraq have been finding caches of weapons thought to originate in Iran.

During the briefing, the officials were repeatedly pressed on why they insisted on anonymity in such an important matter affecting the security of American and Iraqi troops. The senior military official said that without anonymity, for example, the analyst could not have contributed to the briefing.

"The reason we're talking about this right now is the vast increase in the number of EFPs being found," the official said. Coalition military forces, the official said, "are not trying to hype this up to be more than it is."

The official did make it clear that declassifying the material took place only after several weeks of analysis on what information could be useful to the enemy — information that has mostly been kept out of the public eye since the EFPs began turning up in Iraq.

"We publicly have not acknowledged EFPs for the past two years," the senior military official said.


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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2007, 05:24:18 PM »
Gee, I guess we'll have to bomb them now.

Lucky thing that 3rd carrier group is already en route...  ::)

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2007, 05:30:50 PM »
Gee, I guess we'll have to bomb them now.

Lucky thing that 3rd carrier group is already en route...  ::)

Sounds about right. The more dead arabs the better. It'll feel better knowing that it's Iranians.

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2007, 05:36:10 PM »
Sounds about right. The more dead sand nigs the better. It'll feel better knowing that it's Iranians.

yes sir!
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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2007, 05:44:36 PM »
Good post, Pumpster - Iran's assitance of Iraqi terrorists is worrying to say the least.

Could we tone the racist posts down a little, guys?
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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2007, 05:46:29 PM »
Good post, Pumpster - Iran's assitance of Iraqi terrorists is worrying to say the least.

Could we tone the racist posts down a little, guys?

Yeah, I edited it. But yes, it's very worrying. To think that these scumbag Iranians are out there arming and training the Shiite militias in the hopes of more US soldier deaths pisses me off.

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2007, 05:48:35 PM »
Yeah, I edited it. But yes, it's very worrying. To think that these scumbag Iranians are out there arming and training the Shiite militias in the hopes of more US soldier deaths pisses me off.

Remember they're killing Iraqis (both civilian and militarised) too, the ones that are on our side.  These people deserve our support.
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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2007, 05:51:41 PM »
Remember they're killing Iraqis (both civilian and militarised) too, the ones that are on our side.  These people deserve our support.

I couldn't give a shit. The fact they're doing it and there's still people supporting them is proof enough that the Arab world is fucked three ways from Thursday in the head.

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2007, 05:53:54 PM »
I couldn't give a shit. The fact they're doing it and there's still people supporting them is proof enough that the Arab world is fucked three ways from Thursday in the head.

I could.  An Arab world out of control is far more dangerous to you and I than a free Arab world with the ability to control its own fate.  If you have any desire to reduce terrorism in this world you will join with me in willing our troops to victory.
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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2007, 06:36:32 PM »
Did the information come form a reliable source?

Oh, the Bush Administration?

They've been right on so far!

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2007, 06:39:32 PM »
Did the information come form a reliable source?

Oh, the Bush Administration?

They've been right on so far!

Could go either way; they've held back the evidence for about two years.

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2007, 06:40:09 PM »
pumpster,

"senior American military officials" = the recent new group of men that Bush installed after the last slew of generals said we were losing there. 

Their first task has been to give America the new we're invading iran.  And, they get to stay anonymous.


So you trust it then?

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2007, 02:42:22 AM »
Did the information come form a reliable source?

Oh, the Bush Administration?

They've been right on so far!

This is old news to the guys that have been over here. 

But it's interesting that it is suddenly big news to the rest of the world.....
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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2007, 03:51:22 AM »
The deaths of Americans as a result of these IEDs has risen dramatically; that's reason enough to publicize it. Iran has to be held accountable, Bush politics or no.

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2007, 06:13:38 AM »
The deaths of Americans as a result of these IEDs has risen dramatically; that's reason enough to publicize it. Iran has to be held accountable, Bush politics or no.

Here's the thing though -

We know that the Bush Admin has no prob at all about exaggerating the threat.

We know that the Pentagon lied about the WMD - it came out this week about Feith's office lying.

We know that Cheney did everything he could to hide/discredit anything that countered his WMD beliefs, which were never proven.

How can anyone just blindly trust what Bush says, when we know they went on Meet the Press and lied thru their teeth for a year, to get us into war in Iraq.  We've been conditioned to hate Iran for the last year - "they want to wipe Isr off the map!" has been played 10,000 times.

Now, Bush is at it again.  We have anonymous military sources leaking this report, which makes the case for a war we've been prepping for the last 6 months.  A third aircraft carrier is arriving, and we will be at war with them shortly.


Simple question - do you think Bush would lie about/exaggerate the intel to get us into a war? Yes or no?

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2007, 06:45:55 AM »
Timely release of information to stir up a new war.

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2007, 07:38:31 AM »
Timely release of information to stir up a new war.

Probably. On the other hand, this had to be made known at some point.

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2007, 07:43:46 AM »
This is old news to the guys that have been over here. 

But it's interesting that it is suddenly big news to the rest of the world.....

Funny that 240 completely ignores the point made by someone serving in the military and continues on with his conspiracy bullshit.  ::)

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2007, 09:05:27 AM »
Funny that 240 completely ignores the point made by someone serving in the military and continues on with his conspiracy bullshit.  ::)

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2007, 11:28:48 AM »
One word: BULLSHIT :)

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Re: Iran behind IEDs in Iraq that can take out tanks
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2007, 10:13:20 PM »
The TOP US military officer, head of the joint chiefs of staff, also calls bullshit!!




Top American General Disputes US Military Claim on Iran

Al Pessin
VOA
Monday, February 12, 2007   

The top American military officer, General Peter Pace, declined Monday to endorse the conclusions of U.S. military officers in Baghdad, who told reporters on Sunday that the Iranian government is providing high-powered roadside bombs to insurgents in Iraq. General Pace made his comments during a visit to Australia, and VOA's Al Pessin reports from Canberra.


General Pace said he was not aware of the Baghdad briefing, and that he could not, from his own knowledge, repeat the assertion made there that the elite Quds brigade of Iran's Republican Guard force is providing bomb-making kits to Iraqi Shiite insurgents.
"We know that the explosively formed projectiles are manufactured in Iran. What I would not say is that the Iranian government, per se [specifically], knows about this," he said. "It is clear that Iranians are involved, and it's clear that materials from Iran are involved, but I would not say by what I know that the Iranian government clearly knows or is complicit."