2nd cycle

[sportingsteroids]

will you change something here:

1-10 week test  e 750 mg/week
1-10 week  deca duraboline 400mg/week
1-6 week dbol 40 mg/day

PCT:
8-12 week clomid 50mg/day
nolvadex if necessary, !!


thanks

[massivemann]

nope..looks good

[Arnold jr]

will you change something here:

1-10 week test  e 750 mg/week
1-10 week  deca duraboline 400mg/week
1-6 week dbol 40 mg/day

PCT:
8-12 week clomid 50mg/day
nolvadex if necessary, !!


thanks

I don't like dbol, don't like the way I feel when on it, and its never done anything for me oher than make me feel like crap.  But if it works for you great.  If it were me though I would drop the dbol and add winny for say the last 5 wks at 50mg eod.  Also I would either add 2 more weeks to the test e or drop the decca to only 8wks.  Why does your PCT start at wk 8? And one last thing, for your first test e injection I would probaly double the dose

[DIVISION]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


1-12 week Sustanon 500 mg/week
1-12 week Deca 400mg/week
1-4 week Dbol 50 mg/day

PCT:
15 week clomid 50mg/day
nolvadex if necessary, !!



DIV

[sportingsteroids]

I don't like dbol, don't like the way I feel when on it, and its never done anything for me oher than make me feel like crap.  But if it works for you great.  If it were me though I would drop the dbol and add winny for say the last 5 wks at 50mg eod.  Also I would either add 2 more weeks to the test e or drop the decca to only 8wks.  Why does your PCT start at wk 8? And one last thing, for your first test e injection I would probaly double the dose

do you mean, on first week to add 1500 mg test e !!

[sportingsteroids]

DIVISIONAL CHANGES:


1-12 week Sustanon 500 mg/week
1-12 week Deca 400mg/week
1-4 week Dbol 50 mg/day

PCT:
15 week clomid 50mg/day
nolvadex if necessary, !!

sustanon instead test e, u think it is better solution,,, will andropen will beter than sustanon !!


DIV

[DIVISION]

sustanon instead test e, u think it is better solution,,, will andropen will beter than sustanon !!

Andropen is like sustanon, just a few different esters I believe.

Sustanon is even and doesn't bloat like the other Tests.....

It's a good base for any stack.





DIV

[muscle19]

i would discontinue the deca at wk 10 if ur running a 12 wk cycle. if u go with 750mg/wk test e i would bumb the deca to 600mg/wk if u could.


muscle

[freakfestMD]

Cycle looks pretty good to me.  Just did pretty much the same cycle and dosages except used Abombs instead of dbol for the first 6 weeks.  Gained 25 lbs, and have kept it all 9 weeks out.

No need to max out with the first injection as was suggested.  The dbol will "jumpstart" you just fine.  Stop the deca 1-2 weeks before the test. I like running hcg throughout at 500IU every 5 days.  Run it for 2 additional weeks after the cycle ends.  I also did letrozole at 1.25mg throughout.  Maybe wasn't necessary, but had absolutely no sides and I'm prone to gyno.

[Arnold jr]

No need to max out with the first injection as was suggested.  The dbol will "jumpstart" you just fine. 

Maybe not, but when I suggested it I was doing so without him using dbol

[DIVISION]

Maybe not, but when I suggested it I was doing so without him using dbol

He's using the D-bol.........he won't be doubling the first Test dosage....





DIV

[Arnold jr]

He's using the D-bol.........he won't be doubling the first Test dosage....





DIV

Right, I understand that, I was just giving him my preference, because I just plain don't like dbol

[DIVISION]

Right, I understand that, I was just giving him my preference, because I just plain don't like dbol

Neither do I.

It's bloats me, makes me feel lethargic, and the strength gains are overrated.......at least for me they were.





DIV

[muscle19]

same here on the dbol, i will never use it again but that doesnt mean it wont wok for the next person, i to do think it is overrated but for some they love the stuff, it just made me feel too wierd and i dont think it worked that well.


muscle

[Jdoug]

okay im dropping the dbol from my next cycle then

[muscle19]

dude, try it out and see what u think of it first, like i said some people respond well to it and if u drop the dbol, maybe go with some winny for the last 6 wks of the cycle if u have already faily low bf levels, its a great way to clean up ur gains (along side diet of course)

muscle

[DIVISION]

dude, try it out and see what u think of it first, like i said some people respond well to it and if u drop the dbol, maybe go with some winny for the last 6 wks of the cycle if u have already faily low bf levels, its a great way to clean up ur gains (along side diet of course)

muscle

Right..

Everyone is different, genetics.

For me D-bol doesn't work that well.

In that same way, Winstrol works great for me.

I don't get any sides from Winstrol.......no stiff joints or anything.

It just depends on the genetic predisposition.




DIV

[Arnold jr]

Right..

Everyone is different, genetics.

For me D-bol doesn't work that well.

In that same way, Winstrol works great for me.

I don't get any sides from Winstrol.......no stiff joints or anything.

It just depends on the genetic predisposition.




DIV

Yeah he should try it for himself, you never know how you will react.  I'm like you, the Winny doesn't cause me any problems, i think its one of the best things out there.  What's kind of weird though is that after I finish a cycle where winny was used, lets say at about the time PCT starts, I will have some joint stiffness, and pain, but nothing serious, and it goes away fairly quickly.  I'm not sure if this is a late side effect from the winny, or what, but it's not a big enough deal to really worry about.

[DIVISION]

Yeah he should try it for himself, you never know how you will react.  I'm like you, the Winny doesn't cause me any problems, i think its one of the best things out there.  What's kind of weird though is that after I finish a cycle where winny was used, lets say at about the time PCT starts, I will have some joint stiffness, and pain, but nothing serious, and it goes away fairly quickly.  I'm not sure if this is a late side effect from the winny, or what, but it's not a big enough deal to really worry about.

For those who have joint issues with Winny, it would work perfectly with Deca......as Deca fills prostaglandin receptors in the joint tissues.......avoiding breakdown and subsequent pain.




DIV

[sportingsteroids]

hi, 70mg/winny a day, is it big dosage !

[muscle19]

o yeah but some even do 100mg ed, i would not recommend that as not that many people want to turn pro. do at least 50mg ed, that will work great.


muscle

[DIVISION]

hi, 70mg/winny a day, is it big dosage !

I use 75MG on workout days.....

Mainly to account for any loss of drug via first pass through the liver.




DIV

[muscle19]

I use 75MG on workout days.....

Mainly to account for any loss of drug via first pass through the liver.




DIV

good point!



muscle

[sportingsteroids]

hi, but only winstrol without any stacking !
1-5 week 50mg/day
6-10 week 70mg/day
and liv52 like protection !!
will it be better now !

[Beyond Genetics]

I would start off with more test... This will keep levels at a higher average all the way through...
Let's say you inject every 10 days roughly the half life of enanthate.
If you start off at 750 you have to wait a few weeks for the half lives to start to stack up,, (commonly people mistake this for the test not "Kicking in" for a few weeks,,  but in reality it's all the leftover half lives that are giving you more test each time...

Try this instead...
(If you inject more frequently (let's say every 7 days) values will start raising each week instead of dropping)

inject1  1500       in system 1500
inject2  1000       in system 1750         1500/2=750+1000
inject3    750       in system 1625         750/2=375+1000/2=875+750  (375+500+750)
inject4    750       in system 1562               (375+500+750)/2 = 812.5 + 750
inject5    750       in system 1531                   781+750
inject6    750       in system 1516                      766+750