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I brought this over here to see the fans input on this topic.
This round would have NO bearing on the final placings, etc. It's purely an entertainment round for the fans to enjoy, and get them involved.
This would replace the "challenge round" that was scrapped (thank GOD!)
Here's how it works:
All the competitors are brought out in a line up
all names are dropped into a bin, two names are drawn out at random
the two competitors pose down against each other for :30 sec (give or take, depending on the ent. value)
the FANS in attendance pick their winner by applause
winner back in line, loser...see you later.
the winners names are thrown back in the mixer, next round....2 names, etc, etc.
This would be done in an elimination format, obviously....
In a field of lets say, 24 guys...it goes from 24 to 12 to 6 to top 3 to a winner voted on by the people.
This whole thing takes less than 1/2 hour...
ANYONE can win, as the numbers are drawn completely random...because it's random, top names will be pulled out against each other (ex. Ronnie/ Jay) someone HAS to win/ lose)
Imaging if two "posers" happen to get called up (Melvin/ Dareem) and start out-doing each other...?
Pose-downs are anything goes...pushing shoving, one -upping, moving around (on stage)...always the most exciting part of a show anyways....
This eliminates the proverbial "same top 6 guys" posing down....again.
This spreads the wealth to 5 more competitors, who may not ordinarily get a dime....
The "underdog" could very wel win the whole thing, as the crowds love them...
No point system, no judges, no boring -ass same mandatory poses we just saw at prejudging...
It's a great way to involve the fans and get the place rockin...i think they deserve it after last years debacle.....
Peter McGough and Robin Chang are all for it......so whats the problem? BEN and JIM MANION. They're wrinkling their nose at it because they're gun shy that THEIR challenge round was a bust....
The money is not an issue....There is $50,000 available to use on the show.
I'm going to Ben as your representative and demanding we get it put in.....I need as much support as I can get from YOU, the athletes
Spread the word right here on our VIP forum, and vote yea, or nay on the "people''s champ"....I'll take it to Ben, and lets start dictating what WE want!! Call other pro's, have them come here, or PM Ron if they're not on here....and lets see 50-75 names/ votes.
chick
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This is what i think.
No pay per view? Maybe they should ask Wayne he did a great job for the Arnold.The 50,000 should just be broken up to the athletes from 10th on down.I am getting sick and tired of pros complaining about the IFBB yet still don't do shit.People say i complain and others don't OH YES THEY DO.Behind close doors or around other pro.To scared of being black balled so they don't say crap when push comes to shove.
Example PDI is an opportunity for all pros to make extra money(ALL PROS) so why is it we get suspended or black balled if we compete there?The PDI will not suspend or blackball you for going IFBB or guest posing at another sanctioned event.So why does the IFBB feel the need to do so?They are loosing nothing pros will compete in all shows no matter what affiliation if they can make money and have no fear of being suspended or whatever.
Bob you said the IFBB will not take action till i compete?Well i have qualified for the Olympia and i await my contract to sign as a qualified athlete i should get it way in advance of show so they know i am going to compete right? Cause until i compete PDI they cannot do anything is that what you said is that their RULE.?
We all have limited time to make money in this sport and the IFBB who is for the athlete knows this so why would they stop you from doing so.Don't think they have your best interest in mind to me.
So i will await my contract cause as i said i want to do the show for the fans and plan on it.
Lee
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I brought this over here to see the fans input on this topic.
This round would have NO bearing on the final placings, etc. It's purely an entertainment round for the fans to enjoy, and get them involved.
This would replace the "challenge round" that was scrapped (thank GOD!)
Here's how it works:
All the competitors are brought out in a line up
all names are dropped into a bin, two names are drawn out at random
the two competitors pose down against each other for :30 sec (give or take, depending on the ent. value)
the FANS in attendance pick their winner by applause
winner back in line, loser...see you later.
the winners names are thrown back in the mixer, next round....2 names, etc, etc.
This would be done in an elimination format, obviously....
In a field of lets say, 24 guys...it goes from 24 to 12 to 6 to top 3 to a winner voted on by the people.
This whole thing takes less than 1/2 hour...
ANYONE can win, as the numbers are drawn completely random...because it's random, top names will be pulled out against each other (ex. Ronnie/ Jay) someone HAS to win/ lose)
Imaging if two "posers" happen to get called up (Melvin/ Dareem) and start out-doing each other...?
Pose-downs are anything goes...pushing shoving, one -upping, moving around (on stage)...always the most exciting part of a show anyways....
This eliminates the proverbial "same top 6 guys" posing down....again.
This spreads the wealth to 5 more competitors, who may not ordinarily get a dime....
The "underdog" could very wel win the whole thing, as the crowds love them...
No point system, no judges, no boring -ass same mandatory poses we just saw at prejudging...
It's a great way to involve the fans and get the place rockin...i think they deserve it after last years debacle.....
Peter McGough and Robin Chang are all for it......so whats the problem? BEN and JIM MANION. They're wrinkling their nose at it because they're gun shy that THEIR challenge round was a bust....
The money is not an issue....There is $50,000 available to use on the show.
I'm going to Ben as your representative and demanding we get it put in.....I need as much support as I can get from YOU, the athletes
Spread the word right here on our VIP forum, and vote yea, or nay on the "people''s champ"....I'll take it to Ben, and lets start dictating what WE want!! Call other pro's, have them come here, or PM Ron if they're not on here....and lets see 50-75 names/ votes.
chick
So this is basically a "Popularity Contest" round.
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not really, the fans are fair....some have preferences and biases towards certain physiques but it has nothing to do with "popularity". priest is the most popular bodybuilder probably but i doubt people would vote for him if he was out of shape next to an in-shape dave henry
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not really, the fans are fair....some have preferences and biases towards certain physiques but it has nothing to do with "popularity". priest is the most popular bodybuilder probably but i doubt people would vote for him if he was out of shape next to an in-shape dave henry
Everyone needs to stop being afraid to speak out. Gather up everyone, agree on things, and make the move. If everyone speaks out a little bit it would help.
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Awesome idea. I like it but to me the bigger need is more proper judging. It's obvious the judges aren't following the rules of BB. Instead of judges passing in numbers on a number sheet, they should also have to give in WRITTEN explanations on why they placed each of the top 5 (or top 10) where they did. I'll bet you'd quickly be able to determine who knows what they're doing and who doesn't.
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Good Idea Lee, I think it would be entertaining !!!
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IFBB is in for a rude awakening.
Lee Priest is suddenly making a lot of sense.
Will Bob Chick return the favor and demand that athletes should be allowed by the IFBB to complete in the PDI? Bob?
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From what i've seen, Lee just throws these things out with no real intent. He'll end up doing whateva!
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IFBB is in for a rude awakening.
Lee Priest is suddenly making a lot of sense.
Will Bob Chick return the favor and demand that athletes should be allowed by the IFBB to complete in the PDI? Bob?
My post will probably get deleted just like other 2 (right Chic?), but 240 you are wrong to think that Chic will do anything for the athletes. Bob is a company slut (oops, i ment company man) and just like Shawn he will do whats best for him, especially now that he is a chump (oops again, I ment Champ) and "retired".
Love or hate Priest, you have to respect him for having balls to stand up to IFBB, Bob, AMI, Weiders, basically the MOB where Bob is a puppet that will do as he told.
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I think this "popularity contest" is really a bad idea....
You want to give some money to an underdog? Draw a number at random like in a lottery and make him happy.
Or rather you want to add an entertainment round? Bring a bench press on stage and the bber who's able to lift the highest weight for 10 full range clean reps takes the 50K!
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i like lees idea more than a benchpress contest, all u need is someone to tear something on stage
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I think this "popularity contest" is really a bad idea....
You want to give some money to an underdog? Draw a number at random like in a lottery and make him happy.
Or rather you want to add an entertainment round? Bring a bench press on stage and the bber who's able to lift the highest weight for 10 full range clean reps takes the 50K!
A bench press contest? What next a squat contest and a contest to see who dumbbell curls the most?
This isn't powerlifting, a randomly drawn pose off is a far better idea.
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A bench press contest? What next a squat contest and a contest to see who dumbbell curls the most?
This isn't powerlifting, a randomly drawn pose off is a far better idea.
Hehe, in my opinion we can get rid of the whole additional round thing!
But definitely I don't like the idea that a big part of the money goes to the fan preferred athlete regardless of his condition. It would be a perfectly biased thing.
I guess that a real Ronnie fan would cheer for him even if he's off and same thing for everybody else.
Body building is already a quite subjective sport, if it becomes totally arbitrary it will be a total joke.
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I think this "popularity contest" is really a bad idea....
You want to give some money to an underdog? Draw a number at random like in a lottery and make him happy.
Or rather you want to add an entertainment round? Bring a bench press on stage and the bber who's able to lift the highest weight for 10 full range clean reps takes the 50K!
You misread his idea. The $50K could end up going to the same guy that wins the contest, if that's how the fans see it.
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One problem would be if the 2 competitors are very close and the applause is close as well. The amount of applause cant be judged accurately, so it wouldnt be fair if 2 ppl got identical applauses. Maybe we could use the voting system like they do in 'Who wants to be a millionaire?' (like you press the buzzer that registers your vote for slot A or B)
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Lee Priest is suddenly making a lot of sense.
Welcome back Lee, you were a lil off your rocker the last few months, good to see your thinking like a normal human being again
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You misread his idea. The $50K could end up going to the same guy that wins the contest, if that's how the fans see it.
No, I read perfectly, but probably I didn't explain well....
My point is that fans' opinions are way too biased by definition. If they really want to add an additional round (and I see no real reason for this) they should try to have something more objective that involves real competition.
If you're dealing with fans, there is no way... if they don't like you, you won't get anything, no matter how good you look.
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Exactly! Why shouldn't IFBB athletes be allowed to compete in the PDI as well if they so choose? Honestly, the IFBB party line is that "the PDI isn't a threat and will fold if it ever even gets off the ground". Okay, fine... if that's the case, why in god's name would the IFBB need to fine or suspend an athlete for spending a weekend doing a PDI show, if there's "no threat"? ::)
Competing in both would only be beneficial for the athletes, so there's no reason in the world why the athlete's rep shouldn't support it.
But, we all know Bob "company man" Chick will either ignore the question, or be on here spouting some rationalization of behalf of his IFBB masters. ::)
(Assuming, of course, that my post doesn't just get deleted by Bob)
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Lee I think you're bang on. The joke is that bodybuilding is not profitable at all for those who sacrifice enough to take part in it at the pro level, unless of course they are among a few elites... A BBing contest should be like pro golf or tennis where all participants get some small amount of money, or say the top 25 get paid...
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You want to make a huge impact. Lee has qualified for the Olympia. He has not recieved his contract yet. He should recieve it soon I would think since some type of "breach of contract" could be held against the IFBB since Lee has qualified. So lets say Lee has signed the contract. He now is in the Olympia. But, he wants to do the NOC. But, if he does the NOC then the IFBB will not let him compete in the Olympia. If they refuse to let Lee compete in the Olympia, the fans could make a huge impact on everything. The fans should simply not go to the Olympia. Go to the expo but boycott the Olympia. The expo is the fun part of any BB show anyway. You'll be able to see all your favorite BB's there have fun, get free stuff and it only costs $10. This would be a way for the fans to show their support for the pros. Until the IFBB lets their pros compete in both their events and the PDI events then just don't support the IFBB.
Lets say no fans go to the show (any IFBB show). The promoter will lose money and not be able to pay the prize money. So the IFBB and Manion has to step in to pay the prize money. SO no matter what the athletes will get paid. SO they don't lose. Lets say the show gets cancelled. The sponsors want to stick there money somewhere in a show, they will (and are already) stick more into PDI shows which will be more fun and entertaiing and allow larger purses for the pros. The fans have to get invovled to make a difference. This could be a good start
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Another thing I like about Lee is how he mentioned the not speaking out because of fear of getting black balled. That is 100% true. After the Natural Products show in Anaheim I talked to two pros who told me the same thing and how much the pros were talking about the PDI and their concept and Wayne. That's too bad and it's real. It happens all the time. That is the real reason why CHic doesn't receive the kind of repsonse from the pros as he should. Lee is one of the few who makes money outside of BB. He had an "out" if he gets black-balled. He doesn't rely on the IFBB for his major income. So he can speak out and say things other pros are afraid to say. Good Job Lee. Also, Lee what size t-shirt you wear. I have to send you some shirts, I can get your address from Wayne
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Hahahahaha....my thoughts exactly, Bindare_Dundat ;D
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What a load of crap, the challenge round was a load of shit anyway to begin with and so is this idea. This is bodybuilding not wrestling. Bring it back to the normal way!!!
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Way too little. Way too late.
The sport of competitive Professional Bodybuilding is on it's last breath... it's in a coma. No amount of tweaking or tuning can change that. I'm not saying it can't continue to exist, it just can't be brought back to consciousness.
The hardcore fans will always buy the supplement & magazines. The promoters will continue to make their nickels & dimes. The perverts will continue to enjoy their private posing sessions. None of that will go away.
It's 20 years too late to liven things up. Don't change a thing. Putting a fancy dress & lipstick on a pig and calling it a hog won't make Mr. & Mrs. Smith buy any more bacon. Just leave it like it is.
Best of luck with PDI.
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Lee please dont drop out of the NOC! i just bought 2 tickets!!
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The IFBB/AMI should be concentrating on bringing the Olympia back to it's former level, not trying to add gimmick rounds to the show. Get rid of the WWE antics, act professional, let Jim Manion run the press conference, and rehearse everything before you go live (especially the night show). That can all be done this year. The following year, look for a new venue where the contest, expo, and hotel are together.
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Stop whining! Let's hope the PDI does show some form of success so we will have a choice as oppose to the same damn olympia for the last three years. I have been following bodybuilding since before the 2002 Olympia and besides Gustavo, Victor, Gunter, Branch (sort of) the game hasn't changed one bit. It is like wrestling because wrestling fans have been fed the same WWE crap since WCW was bought out by them. Same thing with the IFBB. When the WBF came around it actually signed athletes to contracts which in turned changed the industry where now todays' pros and amateurs can make a living off of bodybuilding (Chick). So competition makes everyone better and us as fans should welcome it. I hope more people jump to PDI. I bet everyone would love to see Ronnie/Jay 5. More tired than Rocky movies.
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Its a fantastic idea and would really liven up the show. Too often the evening show is boring, and unless you're pretty close to the stage a bit redundant. Can you imagine fan faves Lee and Ruhl posing off, or Ronnie and Dex, Gunter and Jay etc etc? Or the contrast between Darrem and James? The unexpected element is great, gauranteed excitment! And its great that everyone would be involved, no more standing back watching the inevitable Ronnie, Jay and Baddell.
Well done Chick, the fans will love this. Do your best to get the other pros on board. Bribe, blackmail or threaten them - just do it!
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Well at least they trashed the stupid challenge round. ;D
This new idea is really just asking for more problems though. Judging it off of crowd applause would be a disaster. It would be easy when you get Big Ron up against Kris Dim, but get Ron against Jay, or Gunter against Gustavo and it will be simply a judgement call by someone on stage. The only way this would work is to equip each seat with some sort of electronic voting device but to do that you would use up the extra $50k in equipment rental. Just use the $50k to sweeten the prize money for the lower placings, or use it to get a better production together.
As for IFBB not letting pros that compete in the PDI events compete in IFBB events, that is really a bunch of crap. Chick, you should be concentrating more on this issue that the fluffball challenge round crap. The IFBB doesn't own the rights to the pros, they just sanction events. If they want exclusivity, then they need to put the pros under a season contract and pay them for it (like the NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB do).
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It's not that it's a bad idea, but I can see us complaining that the crowd was biased. Cries of racism will be just around the corner ;D
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Bob, this idea sucks.
Jay's response from the VIP board...LOL.
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Jay's response from the VIP board...LOL.
hahahaha, good for you jay.
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hahahaha, good for you jay.
At least Bob actually cares. Jay is successful enough that he doesn't have to concern himself with the fates of fellow pros.
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At least Bob actually cares. Jay is successful enough that he doesn't have to concern himself with the fates of fellow pros.
And this is where the problem lies.Unless the bigger name pros do care nothing will change.
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And this is where the problem lies.Unless the bigger name pros do care nothing will change.
Unfortunately, you are one of the few big name pros, possibly the only one, to say anything :-\
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Chick
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Re: Extra $50K round in the Olympia- vote
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BTW...Thanks Lee for putting this out there on the regular board. If I wanted it on the gossip/ opinions board, I wouldve done it myself.
Maybe you missed the memo...the items on THIS board is for people who have access to it ONLY. I posted it here to get PRO'S and EXPERT'S opinions, not hear from the peanut gallery...
FROM BOB TO ME.
BOB WHAT YOU FORGET IT IS THE PEANUT GALLERY YOU SO CALL IT. THESE ARE FANS OF THE SPORT NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAYON HERE SO WHY NOT LET THEM READ IT.SCREW THE VIP BOARD ALOAD OF CRAP BOARD MORE LIKE IT.
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Re: Extra $50K round in the Olympia- vote
« Reply #43 on: Today at 05:35:48 PM » Quote
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BTW...Thanks Lee for putting this out there on the regular board. If I wanted it on the gossip/ opinions board, I wouldve done it myself.
Maybe you missed the memo...the items on THIS board is for people who have access to it ONLY. I posted it here to get PRO'S and EXPERT'S opinions, not hear from the peanut gallery...
FROM BOB TO ME.
BOB WHAT YOU FORGET IT IS THE PEANUT GALLERY YOU SO CALL IT. THESE ARE FANS OF THE SPORT NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAYON HERE SO WHY NOT LET THEM READ IT.SCREW THE VIP BOARD ALOAD OF CRAP BOARD MORE LIKE IT.
Did Bob really write that? :'(
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UMMM YESSS.
THATS FROM THE COMPANY BOARD :)
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UMMM YESSS.
THATS FROM THE COMPANY BOARD :)
Tell him to be careful about what he says or he might lose fans. :-\
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Take the money and spread it around. Can yo u imagine the fans getting behind the last place guy for some fun and applauding him to first. What a joke that becomes.
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And that's where they loose sight.They get rapped in money ,money is good but not the be all and end all.I have said the IFBB can let me do the Olympia place me fair and keep their money i will be there competing totally for the fans nothing else.So what does the IFBB loose with me doing both shows?
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Your awesome Lee great idea. And to avoid contriversy about who gets the most crowd responce you could place a decabel meter. They use this in australian rules football for the richmond football club (the tigers) when your at a game and it has a crowd meter for when they get a goal and if the meter gets to 100 a tiger comes on the screen and roars it sounds lame but it really gets the crowd into it. I personally think this idea would work wonders. NO BULLSHIT about the results. What do you think Lee? ;D
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Chick
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Re: Extra $50K round in the Olympia- vote
« Reply #43 on: Today at 05:35:48 PM » Quote
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BTW...Thanks Lee for putting this out there on the regular board. If I wanted it on the gossip/ opinions board, I wouldve done it myself.
Maybe you missed the memo...the items on THIS board is for people who have access to it ONLY. I posted it here to get PRO'S and EXPERT'S opinions, not hear from the peanut gallery...
FROM BOB TO ME.
BOB WHAT YOU FORGET IT IS THE PEANUT GALLERY YOU SO CALL IT. THESE ARE FANS OF THE SPORT NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAYON HERE SO WHY NOT LET THEM READ IT.SCREW THE VIP BOARD ALOAD OF CRAP BOARD MORE LIKE IT.
thank god for lee priest!
lee i know you could give 2 shits , but im betting you picked up quite a few new fans because of your rebellious attitude on these boards!
praise the priest!
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thank god for lee priest!
lee i know you could give 2 shits , but im betting you picked up quite a few new fans because of your rebellious attitude on these boards!
praise the priest!
Good thing Ron provides the VIP forum for athlete's to discuss.
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thank god for lee priest!
lee i know you could give 2 shits , but I'm betting you picked up quite a few new fans because of your rebellious attitude on these boards!
praise the priest!
Thanks but i am not trying to be rebellious.Just trying to be fair and see the sport change for the good.Seems anytime you speak your mind in this sport you are blackballed or labled a trouble maker.Many times i have been told to bite my lip and go along and play the game.HEY I WILL PLAY THE GAME AS LONG AS IT IS PLAYED FAIR.
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Did Bob really write that? :'(
Certainly there is an explanation for this!
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I wonder how many pros would compete for free? That says a lot about Lee.
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"Maybe you missed the memo...the items on THIS board is for people who have access to it ONLY. I posted it here to get PRO'S and EXPERT'S opinions, not hear from the peanut gallery..."
Bob, is the money that those of us from the "peanut gallery" spend on magazines, supplements, DVDs and tickets as worthless as our opinions?
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I wonder how many pros would compete for free? That says a lot about Lee.
Well, last year when he dropped from the Olympia didn't seem so concerned about his fans...
There is a not so subtle distinction between words and facts.
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"Maybe you missed the memo...the items on THIS board is for people who have access to it ONLY. I posted it here to get PRO'S and EXPERT'S opinions, not hear from the peanut gallery..."
Bob, is the money that those of us from the "peanut gallery" spend on magazines, supplements, DVDs and tickets as worthless as our opinions?
Isn't peanut gallery = gym with weights?
Ronnie
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"Maybe you missed the memo...the items on THIS board is for people who have access to it ONLY. I posted it here to get PRO'S and EXPERT'S opinions, not hear from the peanut gallery..."
Bob, is the money that those of us from the "peanut gallery" spend on magazines, supplements, DVDs and tickets as worthless as our opinions?
Monster elitism. Thanks Bob. Make sure to stop by and throw some peanuts to us circus freaks when you get a chance. We're hungry.
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So lee what do you think about my idea of a decabel meter for the crowds responce ;D I swear its the best idea i've ever had in my life.
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Well, last year when he dropped from the Olympia didn't seem so concerned about his fans...
There is a not so subtle distinction between words and facts.
Oh, there have been others that have dropped out before, but I bet none of them ever went on record saying they'd compete for free.
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People excuse me for defending Bob, but if you read the whole thread in context, as well as his other posts there he doesn't come off as elitist.
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People excuse me for defending Bob, but if you read the whole thread in context, as well as his other posts there he doesn't come off as elitist.
It's the "peanut" comment that threw me off. Not sure how that could sound better in context.
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People excuse me for defending Bob, but if you read the whole thread in context, as well as his other posts there he doesn't come off as elitist.
Then post it.
Otherwise, get off Chick's dick.
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Heres what chick said to lee for making this a forum for you guys to think about , considering it is you guys who buy the tickets !!!!
BTW...Thanks Lee for putting this out there on the regular board. If I wanted it on the gossip/ opinions board, I wouldve done it myself.
Maybe you missed the memo...the items on THIS board is for people who have access to it ONLY. I posted it here to get PRO'S and EXPERT'S opinions, not hear from the peanut gallery...
Interesting I thought :-\
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Certainly there is an explanation for this!
CQ said that the rest of the thread vindicated Bob. I hope she's telling the truth :'(
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Heres what chick said to lee for making this a forum for you guys to think about , considering it is you guys who buy the tickets !!!!
Interesting I thought :-\
Does this make 2?
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Then post it.
Otherwise, get off Chick's dick.
How polite :)
Like I said guys...I am just giving my opinion on how it seems having read the whole thing. I totally understand how that sounds bad, and was just giving my perspective that he does not come across as elitist.
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Well, last year when he dropped from the Olympia didn't seem so concerned about his fans...
There is a not so subtle distinction between words and facts.
Sorry but my true fans understood why i did what i did.
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Wow, Lee really let the cat out of the bag. GetBig has a VIP section for pros and experts. No wonder there was such a big deal about the STARS. I hear "Special Guests" have access to the VIP Board as well. What is the criteria for getting "Special Guest" status?
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Sorry but my true fans understood why i did what i did.
For e.g. ME. Of course I wanted to see Lee compete but I would of done the same thing.
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Sorry but my true fans understood why i did what i did.
Probably you consider as "true" fans only those who always agree with what you do. Fine...
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Probably you consider as "true" fans only those who always agree with what you do. Fine...
True fans understand where Lee is coming from, that is why they love him.
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Maybe you missed the memo...the items on THIS board is for people who have access to it ONLY. I posted it here to get PRO'S and EXPERT'S opinions, not hear from the peanut gallery...
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Maybe you missed the memo...the items on THIS board is for people who have access to it ONLY.
And it is in agreement - because ideas presented are just that. When they are refined, they will be brought up. Lee - very not cool of you to do that. Discussions are meant for various boards, eventually when it was refined, it would be brought out. This may not even happen at all..
Never the less, support for the industry would of been nice.
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Why can't Lee just talk about things among the fans openly. Do things have to be behind closed doors?
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;D
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How polite :)
Like I said guys...I am just giving my opinion on how it seems having read the whole thing. I totally understand how that sounds bad, and was just giving my perspective that he does not come across as elitist.
I trust you, CQ. :)
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Why can't just talk about things among the fans openly. Do things have to be behind closed doors?
ahhh...the thread is back...cool...this should be a sticky. why not get the peanut gallery involved, especially if we're the ones who are going to vote the winner....
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The fans are the ones who buy the tickets. And some of us are more level headed and business-minded than many of the asskissers you're going to get in the VIP area.
"Great Idea, Bob! You're just super!" - 15 schmoes in there.
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I wonder if this will effect lee's placing in the IFBB..
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Why the closed doors Ron? Its the "Peanuts" that support the industry. If it weren't for the "Peanuts" do you think the "pros" would support each other? buy their DVD's, maybe they would be forced to pay for their supplements?
agree. its funny the peanut gallery funds bb.com, and supports the talk radio, which in turn sponser getbig. yet were the insignificant ones.
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Its funny the idea actually calls for fan involvement and yet Bob doesn't want you guys (Peanuts as he calls you ) opinions ??
I guess you guys are not worthy huh , sorry :'(
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I wonder if this will effect lee's placing in the IFBB..
oh yeah....he knows it....but i bet his sponsers love it....
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At least because of Lee we have some insight as to how some pros feel about the fans.
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The fans are the ones who buy the tickets. And some of us are more level headed and business-minded than many of the asskissers you're going to get in the VIP area.
"Great Idea, Bob! You're just super!" - 15 schmoes in there.
"Great Idea, Bob! You're just super!" - 15 schmoes in there....if this is the case, I should definitely be on this board ;D
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Jay's response from the VIP board...LOL.
this remark just cracks me up....
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The Peanuts Gang loves Bob Chick
(http://www.mrbillsadventureland.com/reviews/o-p/peanutsR/gang.gif)
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Why the closed doors Ron? Its the "Peanuts" that support the industry. If it weren't for the "Peanuts" do you think the "pros" would support each other? buy their DVD's, maybe they would be forced to pay for their supplements?
because ron sold his sole to the devil, this is a corporate board now!
put 2 + 2 together , bodybuilding.com, chick = v.i.p board
ron will basically do whatever chick and bb.com tell him to do in the near future as they ease thier way into the takeover of the site the fans built!
mods like hedehog , mindspin ect .. will slowly be weeded out and replaced by corporate members , the bannings will start and so on!
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No - Bob asked for opinions via the industry - actual competitors, experts, pros, and others who ACTUALLY go to the shows, to the expos, etc. He got both good and bad. When the theory or idea was hashed out, it would go out to the mainstream.
Again, people don't have to know every detail of every item, whether it will happen or not. Jeez. I just can imagine. What do you guys think of this, what do you guys think of that? It was meant for people actually involved.
And judging by some of the wisecracks and pictures already here, NOW you understand why.
A questions was asked, if instead of getting serious responses, jokes, complaints, wisecracks...
Get it.
because ron sold his sole to the devil, this is a corporate board now! put 2 + 2 together , bodybuilding.com, chick = v.i.p board. ron will basically do whatever chick and bb.com tell him to do in the near future as they ease thier way into the takeover of the site the fans built!
Thanks Slayer for why it is there. First of all - you are an idiot. Pure and simple. A statement like that that is so pathetic, I would delete it, but I have to show it because now you understand why. That was my idea - that board. NO ONE tells me what to do. Period. And at least, here with a constructive question, they don't have to deal with the crap that you hijack a thread. If you answered the questions and were focused, it would of been great. But not you understand why. Thanks for you troll of an answer, and a fucked up stupid one at that.
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Thanks but i am not trying to be rebellious.Just trying to be fair and see the sport change for the good.Seems anytime you speak your mind in this sport you are blackballed or labled a trouble maker.Many times i have been told to bite my lip and go along and play the game.HEY I WILL PLAY THE GAME AS LONG AS IT IS PLAYED FAIR.
this is just one of the many reasons why lee priest is my favorite bodybuilder he is not afraid to say what he feels or what he believes in props to you lee now maybe the rest of the pros can get a set of balls :P
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No - Bob asked for opinions via the industry - actual competitors, experts, pros, and others who ACTUALLY go to the shows, to the expos, etc. He got both good and bad. When the theory or idea was hashed out, it would go out to the mainstream.
Again, people don't have to know every detail of every item, whether it will happen or not. Jeez. I just can imagine. What do you guys think of this, what do you guys think of that? It was meant for people actually involved.
And judging by some of the wisecracks and pictures already here, NOW you understand why.
A questions was asked, if instead of getting serious responses, jokes, complaints, wisecracks...
Get it.
We've been insulted and we're still getting lectured?
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The Peanuts Gang loves Bob Chick
(http://www.mrbillsadventureland.com/reviews/o-p/peanutsR/gang.gif)
Is Jay just going to hang out on the VIP board like the East Coast elitist that he is? :-\
Slayer: why did Ron sell the bottom of his shoe to the devil?
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We've been insulted and we're still getting lectured?
read 5 posts above!
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Actually, most of us LIKE the $50 k idea and support it.
It was Bob calling the fans the peanut gallery that we disliked.
Bob really doesn't seem to respect the average fan :(
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No - Bob asked for opinions via the industry - actual competitors, experts, pros, and others who ACTUALLY go to the shows, to the expos, etc. He got both good and bad. When the theory or idea was hashed out, it would go out to the mainstream.
Again, people don't have to know every detail of every item, whether it will happen or not. Jeez. I just can imagine. What do you guys think of this, what do you guys think of that? It was meant for people actually involved.
And judging by some of the wisecracks and pictures already here, NOW you understand why.
A questions was asked, if instead of getting serious responses, jokes, complaints, wisecracks...
Get it.
Unplanned fission surplus ;D
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Unplanned fission surplus ;D
Bwuahahahahahahaahahahah aha
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Wisecracks didn't start until Lee posted what Bob said.
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Is Jay just going to hang out on the VIP board like the East Coast elitist that he is? :-\
Slayer: why did Ron sell the bottom of his shoe to the devil?
ask him! $$$$$$$$$ peanuts now , but peanuts will turn into macadamia nuts in the future! he sees the big picture!!! corporations do things slow!
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No - Bob asked for opinions via the industry - actual competitors, experts, pros, and others who ACTUALLY go to the shows, to the expos, etc. He got both good and bad. When the theory or idea was hashed out, it would go out to the mainstream.
Again, people don't have to know every detail of every item, whether it will happen or not. Jeez. I just can imagine. What do you guys think of this, what do you guys think of that? It was meant for people actually involved.
And judging by some of the wisecracks and pictures already here, NOW you understand why.
A questions was asked, if instead of getting serious responses, jokes, complaints, wisecracks...
Get it.
Thanks Slayer for why it is there. First of all - you are an idiot. Pure and simple. A statement like that that is so pathetic, I would delete it, but I have to show it because now you understand why. That was my idea - that board. NO ONE tells me what to do. Period. And at least, here with a constructive question, they don't have to deal with the crap that you hijack a thread. If you answered the questions and were focused, it would of been great. But not you understand why. Thanks for you troll of an answer, and a fucked up stupid one at that.
well with bobs peanut gallery comment, and this whole idea of a VIP room, what did you expect. ron, i know bob and company sponsor you, but still, just try to be more even.
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No - Bob asked for opinions via the industry - actual competitors, experts, pros, and others who ACTUALLY go to the shows, to the expos, etc. He got both good and bad. When the theory or idea was hashed out, it would go out to the mainstream.
Again, people don't have to know every detail of every item, whether it will happen or not. Jeez. I just can imagine. What do you guys think of this, what do you guys think of that? It was meant for people actually involved.
And judging by some of the wisecracks and pictures already here, NOW you understand why.
A questions was asked, if instead of getting serious responses, jokes, complaints, wisecracks...
Get it.
Yes, and there were plenty of serious, well thought out responses as well. I see no problem with Lee bringing this idea to the fans (and all the people on getbig). I can understand why you might be upset that Lee posted Bob's private message to Lee and info about the "VIP" board, but I see no problem with bringing this idea to the public. I think the problem with the IFBB, and one of the reasons why they have not really expanded as a sport in the last 10 years, is the lack of communication with and connection to the bodybuilding public. Perhaps with more people like Lee, this sport would be in a better state than it currently is. I'm not suggesting that the fans' "consensus" should necessarily be adopted (yes, "a thousand Frenchman CAN be wrong...), but it can do nothing but help to listen to them and learn more about them.
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No - Bob asked for opinions via the industry - actual competitors, experts, pros, and others who ACTUALLY go to the shows, to the expos, etc. He got both good and bad. When the theory or idea was hashed out, it would go out to the mainstream.
Again, people don't have to know every detail of every item, whether it will happen or not. Jeez. I just can imagine. What do you guys think of this, what do you guys think of that? It was meant for people actually involved.
And judging by some of the wisecracks and pictures already here, NOW you understand why.
A questions was asked, if instead of getting serious responses, jokes, complaints, wisecracks...
Get it.
Thanks Slayer for why it is there. First of all - you are an idiot. Pure and simple. A statement like that that is so pathetic, I would delete it, but I have to show it because now you understand why. That was my idea - that board. NO ONE tells me what to do. Period. And at least, here with a constructive question, they don't have to deal with the crap that you hijack a thread. If you answered the questions and were focused, it would of been great. But not you understand why. Thanks for you troll of an answer, and a fucked up stupid one at that.
ya ok ron we all have blinders on ::) is troll your favorite word this yr?
wether it was your idea or not doesnt matter because of the way the board is run now. everything will look like your chicks puppet as long as bb.com is a sponsor!
you have to live with that now..
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Bwuahahahahahahaahahahah aha
I hope Ron doesn't put me in Time Out for that, but he was really Supporting his own Website there ;D
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I hope Ron doesn't put me in Time Out for that, but he was really Supporting his own Website there ;D
That's why I pmed you!
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That's why I pmed you!
I didn't get your PM :-\
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I hope Ron doesn't put me in Time Out for that, but he was really Supporting his own Website there ;D
timeout is basically easing in future bannings.... alla mayhem!
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timeout is basically easing in future bannings.... alla mayhem!
Timeoutted like a Dog.
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Timeoutted like a Dog.
Hahahahaha...I don't know why, but that made me laugh ;D
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I didn't get your PM :-\
I just sent it.
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timeout is basically easing in future bannings.... alla mayhem!
I'm surprised you got Ron to have an unplanned fission surplus. He's usually a pretty calm guy.
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Co-Pilot: Oh my God, it looks like a huge...
Bird-Watching Woman: Pecker.
Bird-Watching Man: [raising binoculars] Ooh, Where?
Bird-Watching Woman: Over there. What sort of bird is that? Wait, it's not a woodpecker, it looks like someone's...
Army Sergeant: Privates. We have reports of an unidentified flying object. It has a long, smooth shaft, complete with...
Baseball Umpire: Two balls.
[looking up from game]
Baseball Umpire: What is that. It looks just like an enormous...
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Wang: I was distracted by that giant flying...
Musician: Willie.
Willie: Yeah?
Musician: What's that?
Willie: Well, that looks like a huge...
Colonel: Johnson!
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Copy and send to ryan@bodybuilding.com
Dear Mr DeLuca,
Bob Chick, your spokesman, recently insulted the fans at GetBig.com by calling us the "Peanut Gallery".
I am encouraging my friends and clients not to purchase form your website as long as a man who insults the fans like this represents your company.
Sincerely,
A Member of the Peanut Gallery who USED to shop at BBing.com
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That's what makes it so funny... normally he's pretty unflappable and takes everything in stride. However, he's been seriously high-strung lately. Must be the stress of new fatherhood or something.
Yeah, maybe we should ease up a bit. One fit of crankiness might send him into a banning spree. :-\
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Yeah, maybe we should ease up a bit. One fit of crankiness might send him into a banning spree. :-\
You're first!!
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hey can we move back to the topic. namely the idea floated around by bob.
this posing round, where 50,000 is awarded to the winner which is picked by the fans is not a bad idea. just maybe not 50,000. also, whats not to prevent the fans from voting the last place winner just out of sympathy. i mean for the last place winner to win 50,000, and the 3rd place winner to win less would just be wrong. and why not have the judges and the auidience participate at the same time. those in the auidience can just punch in a buzzer located at his/her seat. like game shows. for example millionare. then you can get an accurate account of whos really winning according tothe fans
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You're first!!
I wouldn't be surprised. I'm one of the most successful postwhores in Getbig.com history and success breeds love and contempt ;D
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Oh so a idea involving the fans and there participation on being responsable for the distribution of a extra 50k at the Olympia shouldn't be discussed by the fans !!!
Get real RON stop fence sitting , what your "peanuts" as bob calls them arnt good enough to discuss such a issue that will effect them .
Bottom line is it is a crap idea , there are far more productive ways that 50k can be used at the Olympia to keep the athletes and the fans happy , heres a tip bob, the more ways you try to make the O like a circus the higher the chances you will end up with a circus !!!
The O was at its peak when it was a all out battle of the best , a true hrdcor bodybuilding show for the faithfull to the cult , it wasn't broken then , and yet everyone is trying to fix it , go figure ???
Posted on: Today at 08:10:57 PMPosted by: Chick
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It's "peak" as you put it...is the same 5,000 fans that have attended every year...no new business, and no "real" money when compared to other sports...let alone their "superbowl" of the season.
All the athletes want to bitch about the prize money, but few are willing to support anything but a nuts and bolts competition...which will NEVER attract anymore fans than it has in the 40 year history of the Olympia.
Even POKER for Christs sake, attracts more fans and offers as much prize money in the "World Series of Poker" for the 10th place finisher, than the Olympia does for the WORLD Champion.
The WWE attracts more people to a weekly show held in Podunk, Nowhere than we do collectively in the IFBB calender year (all shows combined) selling pre-determined matches and scripted shows....
I proposed changing the "press conference" over 4 years ago...it was the most boring waste of time for everyone, and wasn't well attended. It only became interesting when the athletes started airing their dirty laundry, and arguments became public fodder...
Given the attendance and feedback over the last few years, I would say the change has been a good one, and I'm sure the attendance will double for this years "pre game show"...
We need to start to sell ENTERTAINMENT along with a competition of the worlds best...THIS will sell more tickets, THIS will attract more sponsors, and THIS will equate to higher revenue for the ATHLETES. Without bringing up the production value a hundred-fold...were doomed to keep repeating the same results year after year.
PPV and TV revenue is where the real money is...where do you think the BIG money comes from? Selling commercials is BIG $$$$$! Because we have (to this date) nothing of interest to sell...we have no market to sell it to, and thus no money coming in other than sponsor dollars...nice, but pails in comparison to even the most mundane of events that have TV time.
We start featuring the athletes, their personalities, the rivalries, the confrontations, etc...and make people take an interest be it they love you or hate your guts...they show an INTEREST.
WCP (World Championship Poker) even figured this out as they started featuring the personalities of the players. Can you imagine someone 10 years ago, pitching the idea to televise a POKER match?? They would've laughed you out of the room...guess who's laughing now? Fossil man, The Unibomber, The Mouth, "Jesus Ferguson", etc, etc....WWE Wrestlers? No, poker players!
We need to start thinking outside the BB box, gentlemen...and be receptive to ideas that benefit us ALL in the longrun. You guys want to make more money, and quit being the very definition of "insanity" (doing the same thing over, and over...expecting a different result.)
Time to start being part of the solution...not part of the problem
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The problem I have with the whole idea is first 50k is allot of dosh to play with , and i feel it could be better used to aid the athletes to get there in the first place, no athletes no show huh , then i have a problem with just how does one go about making the audience reaction a fair judgment , applause measuring is too floored to be considered especially with so much dosh up for grabs, it is bound to cause discontent amongst the guys, then what about giving some of the money back to the fans , like having something so some of the fans can win trips back to the O the next year !!
For the past number of years there has been concern from the athletes in regards to the lower placing guys and women getting nout for there efforts , this should be considered also , I think a spread of the money should be entertained rather than a all out popularity contest !!
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Posted on: Today at 08:10:57 PMPosted by: Chick
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It's "peak" as you put it...is the same 5,000 fans that have attended every year...no new business, and no "real" money when compared to other sports...let alone their "superbowl" of the season.
All the athletes want to bitch about the prize money, but few are willing to support anything but a nuts and bolts competition...which will NEVER attract anymore fans than it has in the 40 year history of the Olympia.
Even POKER for Christs sake, attracts more fans and offers as much prize money in the "World Series of Poker" for the 10th place finisher, than the Olympia does for the WORLD Champion.
The WWE attracts more people to a weekly show held in Podunk, Nowhere than we do collectively in the IFBB calender year (all shows combined) selling pre-determined matches and scripted shows....
I proposed changing the "press conference" over 4 years ago...it was the most boring waste of time for everyone, and wasn't well attended. It only became interesting when the athletes started airing their dirty laundry, and arguments became public fodder...
Given the attendance and feedback over the last few years, I would say the change has been a good one, and I'm sure the attendance will double for this years "pre game show"...
We need to start to sell ENTERTAINMENT along with a competition of the worlds best...THIS will sell more tickets, THIS will attract more sponsors, and THIS will equate to higher revenue for the ATHLETES. Without bringing up the production value a hundred-fold...were doomed to keep repeating the same results year after year.
PPV and TV revenue is where the real money is...where do you think the BIG money comes from? Selling commercials is BIG $$$$$! Because we have (to this date) nothing of interest to sell...we have no market to sell it to, and thus no money coming in other than sponsor dollars...nice, but pails in comparison to even the most mundane of events that have TV time.
We start featuring the athletes, their personalities, the rivalries, the confrontations, etc...and make people take an interest be it they love you or hate your guts...they show an INTEREST.
WCP (World Championship Poker) even figured this out as they started featuring the personalities of the players. Can you imagine someone 10 years ago, pitching the idea to televise a POKER match?? They would've laughed you out of the room...guess who's laughing now? Fossil man, The Unibomber, The Mouth, "Jesus Ferguson", etc, etc....WWE Wrestlers? No, poker players!
We need to start thinking outside the BB box, gentlemen...and be receptive to ideas that benefit us ALL in the longrun. You guys want to make more money, and quit being the very definition of "insanity" (doing the same thing over, and over...expecting a different result.)
Time to start being part of the solution...not part of the problem
Poker has buy-ins ;D
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Time to start being part of the solution...not part of the problem
Its good to see i am part of somthing tho , just thinking positive for ya bob :D
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i think the 50k should be added to 1st and 2nd place $$$.
maybe add most of it to 2nd (jay deserves it)
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Bob, the problem is, you're trying to be friends with everyone. True revolutionaries care more about their mission than making friends with both sides.
Toronto Pro canceled- all we hear from you is what a "great guy" Winston is.
Judging is screwed, you won't say a critical word about it.
Manion CANCELS, then isn't there for 7 weeks to answer tough Qs- you don't address it.
Bob, you're a politician. And politicians don't elicit change. Get someone real in there.
Bob has to be a politician about this. It is a small industry and people don't forget quickly.
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Posted on: Today at 08:10:57 PMPosted by: Chick
Insert Quote
It's "peak" as you put it...is the same 5,000 fans that have attended every year...no new business, and no "real" money when compared to other sports...let alone their "superbowl" of the season.
All the athletes want to bitch about the prize money, but few are willing to support anything but a nuts and bolts competition...which will NEVER attract anymore fans than it has in the 40 year history of the Olympia.
Even POKER for Christs sake, attracts more fans and offers as much prize money in the "World Series of Poker" for the 10th place finisher, than the Olympia does for the WORLD Champion.
The WWE attracts more people to a weekly show held in Podunk, Nowhere than we do collectively in the IFBB calender year (all shows combined) selling pre-determined matches and scripted shows....
I proposed changing the "press conference" over 4 years ago...it was the most boring waste of time for everyone, and wasn't well attended. It only became interesting when the athletes started airing their dirty laundry, and arguments became public fodder...
Given the attendance and feedback over the last few years, I would say the change has been a good one, and I'm sure the attendance will double for this years "pre game show"...
We need to start to sell ENTERTAINMENT along with a competition of the worlds best...THIS will sell more tickets, THIS will attract more sponsors, and THIS will equate to higher revenue for the ATHLETES. Without bringing up the production value a hundred-fold...were doomed to keep repeating the same results year after year.
PPV and TV revenue is where the real money is...where do you think the BIG money comes from? Selling commercials is BIG $$$$$! Because we have (to this date) nothing of interest to sell...we have no market to sell it to, and thus no money coming in other than sponsor dollars...nice, but pails in comparison to even the most mundane of events that have TV time.
We start featuring the athletes, their personalities, the rivalries, the confrontations, etc...and make people take an interest be it they love you or hate your guts...they show an INTEREST.
WCP (World Championship Poker) even figured this out as they started featuring the personalities of the players. Can you imagine someone 10 years ago, pitching the idea to televise a POKER match?? They would've laughed you out of the room...guess who's laughing now? Fossil man, The Unibomber, The Mouth, "Jesus Ferguson", etc, etc....WWE Wrestlers? No, poker players!
We need to start thinking outside the BB box, gentlemen...and be receptive to ideas that benefit us ALL in the longrun. You guys want to make more money, and quit being the very definition of "insanity" (doing the same thing over, and over...expecting a different result.)
Time to start being part of the solution...not part of the problem
first bob. i want to thank you for deleating my boycott bb.com thread.
secondly, there are no marketable faces at the O. everyone knows the O is status quo. namely we know the places of competitors in advance. dont get me wrong, i personally think ronnie should be winning. but jay always second? dont know about that. i think you should pick your poison. fix judging, or fix the money problem. focus on one, instead of spreading yourself to thin. it seems the money thing will have more supporters, so focus there first.
lastly, your best hope to generate money would indeed be pay per view. but giving 50 grand to the top poser......not a smart idea. but setting up some sort of psoing round where the auidience picks the winner is a good idea. just the prize money needs to be adjusted. and you need to have something in place that accurately accounts the audience vote. do not just rely on fan noise.
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first bob. i want to thank you for deleating my boycott bb.com thread.
secondly, there are no marketable faces at the O. everyone knows the O is status quo. namely we know the places of competitors in advance. dont get me wrong, i personally think ronnie should be winning. but jay always second? dont know about that. ithink you shoudlpick your poison. fix judging, or fix the omney problem. focus on one, instead of spreading yourself to thin. it seems the money thing will have more supporters, so focus there first.
lastly, your best hope to generate money would indeed be pay per view. but giving 50 grand to the top poser......not a smart idea. but setting up some sort of psoing round where the auidience picks the winner is a good idea. just the prize money needs to be adjusted. and you need to have something in place that accurately accounts the audience vote. do not just rely on fan noise.
I laughed out loud when I tried to post in that thread and it said the topic was missing or off limits ;D
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Bob has to be a politician about this. It is a small industry and people don't forget quickly.
Then he belongs in a politician role- Athlete's Liason.
We all know that Athlete's Rep in EVERY other sport play hardball with mgmt.
If you're going to be an effective athlete's rep, you can't play nice.
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I laughed out loud when I tried to post in that thread and it said the topic was missing or off limits ;D
i was quite hurt actually. it was actually just an innocent thread. stayed up longer than i thought so i thought they were going to let it stay. then it got momentum, and bam, when i came back it was gone. damn shame really.
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Then he belongs in a politician role- Athlete's Liason.
We all know that Athlete's Rep in EVERY other sport play hardball with mgmt.
If you're going to be an effective athlete's rep, you can't play nice.
yeah but are the athletes ready to strike. in the nfl, or nba, or for christ sakes, even the nhl, players strike. shit, even the immigrants boycotted work and being consumers for a day. but bb's. they should be lead by someone who is willing to lead with an iron fist, not a paper mitten.
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Then he belongs in a politician role- Athlete's Liason.
We all know that Athlete's Rep in EVERY other sport play hardball with mgmt.
If you're going to be an effective athlete's rep, you can't play nice.
Bob can't play hardball if the athletes don't show that they want change themselves. He can push a proposal, but if he is the only one adamant about it, it's a simple matter for them to just say no. Pro athletes actually care and that is the difference.
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Bob can't play hardball if the athletes don't show that they want change themselves. He can push a proposal, but if he is the only one adamant about it, it's a simple matter for them to just say no. Pro athletes actually care and that is the difference.
i agree, he doesnt have the athletes support. i mean his athletes only meeting at the arnold had a handful of pros in attendence from what was mentioned.
but at the same time, they dont communicate very well. i mean any time an athletes only meeting is advertised on getbig, you know theres something wrong with leadership. also there should be some union dues, like all unions have.
you cant have an athletes rep that threatens people like 240 with his life. thats just not professional any way you slice it. leadership starts from the top, and unless you get a top tier pro as the athletes rep, its bound to remain in failure.
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No - Bob asked for opinions via the industry - actual competitors, experts, pros, and others who ACTUALLY go to the shows, to the expos, etc. He got both good and bad. When the theory or idea was hashed out, it would go out to the mainstream.
Again, people don't have to know every detail of every item, whether it will happen or not. Jeez. I just can imagine. What do you guys think of this, what do you guys think of that? It was meant for people actually involved.
And judging by some of the wisecracks and pictures already here, NOW you understand why.
A questions was asked, if instead of getting serious responses, jokes, complaints, wisecracks...
Get it.
Thanks Slayer for why it is there. First of all - you are an idiot. Pure and simple. A statement like that that is so pathetic, I would delete it, but I have to show it because now you understand why. That was my idea - that board. NO ONE tells me what to do. Period. And at least, here with a constructive question, they don't have to deal with the crap that you hijack a thread. If you answered the questions and were focused, it would of been great. But not you understand why. Thanks for you troll of an answer, and a fucked up stupid one at that.
And don't these [people go to the shows.Ron if it wasn't for the people on here good or bad.You wouldn't have a board so shut the hell up and stop complaining.And you say they don't need to know everything then why is it when you talk to Adela all the time ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS IS ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WHY IS THAT BUISNESS OF YOURS THEN.WHY DO YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT.Ron you love all the bullshit that goes on here.So stop your crying.
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i agree, he doesnt have the athletes support. i mean his athletes only meeting at the arnold had a handful of pros in attendence from what was mentioned.
but at the same time, they dont communicate very well. i mean any time an athletes only meeting is advertised on getbig, you know theres something wrong with leadership. also there should be some union dues, like all unions have.
you cant have an athletes rep that threatens people like 240 with his life. thats just not professional any way you slice it. leadership starts from the top, and unless you get a top tier pro as the athletes rep, its bound to remain in failure.
i think the problem with that is that top tier pros are the one's most comfortable with the status quo. I agree that Bob is not always professional, but the medium of the internet is conducive to that.
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Posted on: Today at 08:10:57 PMPosted by: Chick
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It's "peak" as you put it...is the same 5,000 fans that have attended every year...no new business, and no "real" money when compared to other sports...let alone their "superbowl" of the season.
All the athletes want to bitch about the prize money, but few are willing to support anything but a nuts and bolts competition...which will NEVER attract anymore fans than it has in the 40 year history of the Olympia.
Even POKER for Christs sake, attracts more fans and offers as much prize money in the "World Series of Poker" for the 10th place finisher, than the Olympia does for the WORLD Champion.
The WWE attracts more people to a weekly show held in Podunk, Nowhere than we do collectively in the IFBB calender year (all shows combined) selling pre-determined matches and scripted shows....
I proposed changing the "press conference" over 4 years ago...it was the most boring waste of time for everyone, and wasn't well attended. It only became interesting when the athletes started airing their dirty laundry, and arguments became public fodder...
Given the attendance and feedback over the last few years, I would say the change has been a good one, and I'm sure the attendance will double for this years "pre game show"...
We need to start to sell ENTERTAINMENT along with a competition of the worlds best...THIS will sell more tickets, THIS will attract more sponsors, and THIS will equate to higher revenue for the ATHLETES. Without bringing up the production value a hundred-fold...were doomed to keep repeating the same results year after year.
PPV and TV revenue is where the real money is...where do you think the BIG money comes from? Selling commercials is BIG $$$$$! Because we have (to this date) nothing of interest to sell...we have no market to sell it to, and thus no money coming in other than sponsor dollars...nice, but pails in comparison to even the most mundane of events that have TV time.
We start featuring the athletes, their personalities, the rivalries, the confrontations, etc...and make people take an interest be it they love you or hate your guts...they show an INTEREST.
WCP (World Championship Poker) even figured this out as they started featuring the personalities of the players. Can you imagine someone 10 years ago, pitching the idea to televise a POKER match?? They would've laughed you out of the room...guess who's laughing now? Fossil man, The Unibomber, The Mouth, "Jesus Ferguson", etc, etc....WWE Wrestlers? No, poker players!
We need to start thinking outside the BB box, gentlemen...and be receptive to ideas that benefit us ALL in the longrun. You guys want to make more money, and quit being the very definition of "insanity" (doing the same thing over, and over...expecting a different result.)
Time to start being part of the solution...not part of the problem
pretty dumb post coming from a supposedly smart guy! comparing poker to bodybuilding is asanine, when you consider half the planet plays it and feels they can be in the position to win alot of money at the casino's! on the other hand everyone knows unless you are willing to take large amounts of illegal substances that can kill them, they have no chance of standing on that stage... poker is universal , bodybuilding is not at ALL!
football baseball ect... most men have played in either highschool or college , its enertainment and 10 million other things that pro bodybuilding can never offer!
your basically trying to put a square in a round hole if you think bodybuilder will ever be more then it is!
becoming a world poker champion is a possibilty for the avg person, becoming mr o is only feasable by endangering your life!
memo TO BOBBY... just about the entire planet knows about steroids nowadays!
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And don't these [people go to the shows.Ron if it wasn't for the people on here good or bad.You wouldn't have a board so shut the hell up and stop complaining.And you say they don't need to know everything then why is it when you talk to Adela all the time ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS IS ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WHY IS THAT BUISNESS OF YOURS THEN.WHY DO YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT.Ron you love all the bullshit that goes on here.So stop your crying.
can i get a ohhhh hell ya! priest runs bodybuilding!
ron needs a reality check!
your local troll.....SLAYERRRRRRR
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I think it has been shown that Bob is the real "peanut" amongst all this. The lesson for Bob is, don't underestimate the fan. Bob may believe "the real fans" don't come to the boards, that shows how out of touch he really is.
Seriously. Just because we don't fly to every pro show (and imagine how pissed you'd be with plane tix to Toronto pro right now!), doesn't mean we're not real fans.
We buy magazines. We visit boards (ad revenue). We buy supplements. We buy DVDs. We tune into webcasts (ad revenue). We listen to the radio show (ad revenue). We buy the PPVs.
Bob, can you explain how the getbig members who do these things (most of us!) are not real fans?
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NOW THIS IS ENTERTAINMENT HAHA CLASSIC LEE VS RON ROUND 1 NEXT MATCH CHICK VS 240 NEXT MATCH SHAWN RAY VS KING KAMALI VS PAUL DILLETT IN A TRIPPLE THREAT MATCH WINNER TAKES ALL....
DUDE U WANT FANS SIMPLE ANYONE WHO LOOKS @ A BB FALLS INLOVE WITH THE PHYSIC GET THIS SHIT ON MTV WWE RAW SMACKDOWN ECT START SOME WAR SHIT GET A SHOW ON TV OF SOMETHING LIKE JAY VS RONNIE TRAINING UP 2 THE OYLYMPIA ON SPIKE TV IT CAN HAPPEN THE FANS WOULD LOVE IT I KNOW I WOULD WHO AGREE'S?
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Seriously. Just because we don't fly to every pro show (and imagine how pissed you'd be with plane tix to Toronto pro right now!), doesn't mean we're not real fans.
We buy magazines. We visit boards (ad revenue). We buy supplements. We buy DVDs. We tune into webcasts (ad revenue). We listen to the radio show (ad revenue). We buy the PPVs.
Bob, can you explain how the getbig members who do these things (most of us!) are not real fans?
OFCOURSE WERE REAL FANS WTF WOULD ANYONE BE ON HERE>? BB IS BORING AS IT IS 2 THE HUGEST FAN IMAGINE SOMEONE WHO ISNT INTO IT??? WHY WOULD THEY BE ON HERE?
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yeah...imagine that.
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We buy magazines. We visit boards (ad revenue). We buy supplements. We buy DVDs. We tune into webcasts (ad revenue). We listen to the radio show (ad revenue). We buy the PPVs.
Bob, can you explain how the getbig members who do these things (most of us!) are not real fans?
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what makes you think the % is more?
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what makes you think the % is more?
Bob, you stated that 99% of getbiggers are NOT REAL FANS.
You're out of touch with the fans, Bob.
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yeah, coming from you that means a lot.
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CHICK being serious here do u think that vince mcmahon could up the rating in bodybuilding if somehow they could produce a show like the UFC show i think they could just think everyone and i mean everyone wants to be big (teen males) if there were a show ppl would learn about the sport and fall in love im telling ya guys we need some show on spike of a couple of BB training for the O back and forth kinda deal u know what i mean
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If McMahon were to start the WBF today, and put the right people in charge of production...It would have been a much different story.
They tried making a circus out of Pro BB...ain't never going to work. Using the same template as the UFC, Poker, and the WWE would produce a winning combo without jeopardizing the sanctity of Pro Bodybuilding fan base
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I know one thing without the people on Getbig and other boards and the Internet my friend Chic would not have a major sponsor like BB.com cause their would be none. The internet is very powerful. The IFBB has yet to take advantage of it. Also, I'll speak for Shawn is their anyway we can just give to him so he can donate it to hs favorite charity. Lets save the middle man. Better yet Shawn better save it for his show cause he is in for a rude awakening and will need it.
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If McMahon were to start the WBF today, and put the right people in charge of production...It would have been a much different story.
They tried making a circus out of Pro BB...ain't never going to work. Using the same template as the UFC, Poker, and the WWE would produce a winning combo without jeopardizing the sanctity of Pro Bodybuilding fan base
so you agree?.. all im saying is you cant create new fans by mags and net alone there no other way ppl getinto this sport unless they work out and lets be honest how many ppl work out hardcore???? not many so really the only way is to put it in the public eye ppl will put down there video games and want to become huge( then there will be a huge steroid problem on cnn about the show id leave that for u to handle chick live on larry king)
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so you agree?.. all im saying is you cant create new fans by mags and net alone there no other way ppl getinto this sport unless they work out and lets be honest how many ppl work out hardcore???? not many so really the only way is to put it in the public eye ppl will put down there video games and want to become huge( then there will be a huge steroid problem on cnn about the show id leave that for u to handle chick live on larry king)
what part of pro bodybuilding is a gay miss amercia pageant dont you get? why do you think all the mags have the pros in spandex and daisy duke shorts for?
the gay population keeps pro bodybuilding alive and nothing else, so unless you have ronnie colemen training in a thong on spike you will get a zero rating!
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If it's a "gay miss America Pageant...why are you a fan? and why are you on a BB site?
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what part of pro bodybuilding is a gay miss amercia pageant dont you get? why do you think all the mags have the pros in spandex and daisy duke shorts for?
the gay population keeps pro bodybuilding alive and nothing else, so unless you have ronnie colemen training in a thong on spike you will get a zero rating!
dude u just totally killed urself man i dont even have to flame u for it wow shit for brains
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chick i figured it out man! that was slayer way of secretly saying he is gay thats why he is on a BB site to support it wow u could have chose a better way of telling us the back door was open
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Bbings a gay miss American pageant , cooool , i just brought this real nice sequence number that looks absolutely stunning on me , now i have some where to wear it to !! :D
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If it's a "gay miss America Pageant...why are you a fan? and why are you on a BB site?
did you ever ask me how many contests ive been to? this is gossip and opinion, can you find many of my posts in the actual bodybuilding sections of this site? no!
im here like most are for the argument, trash talk, entertainment value, wich you have added alot to!
if you look back , i only pop up when theres some good trash on here and now that your around the site has become interesting for the people who really dont care about the actual contest unless theres somthing to argue about!
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dude u just totally killed urself man i dont even have to flame u for it wow shit for brains
ya coming from the local guy ,ill just retract my post!
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ya coming from the local guy ,ill just retract my post!
Kid your just mad cause you have to go on the internet and hide behind a screen to trash talk cuz if ya did it in person you spend 99% of ur gay life in the hospital and thats exactly where u would end up if i ever met ya
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ya ok ron we all have blinders on is troll your favorite word this yr?
Can I tell you how many emails and PM's I have received this year from our board members telling me to get it more in control, focus on bodybuilding, on the main boards. Quite a few, many each week.
wether it was your idea or not doesnt matter because of the way the board is run now. everything will look like your chicks puppet as long as bb.com is a sponsor! you have to live with that now..
The board is run the same was it has been in the last 2-3 years. What was happened is that more traffic, and more opiniated people have come, but also some people, who don't care about the sport or industry at all, and spout negativities and false crap. By the way, Chick does not run bodybuilding.com, nor did he have anything to say about the sponsorship. I think he was surprised too.
first bob. i want to thank you for deleating my boycott bb.com thread.
If you put there Ironage, MuscleMayhem, Graphic Muscle, or any other site, it would be deleted. As it as in the past.
And don't these [people go to the shows. Ron if it wasn't for the people on here good or bad. You wouldn't have a board so shut the hell up and stop complaining.And you say they don't need to know everything then why is it when you talk to Adela all the time ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS IS ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WHY IS THAT BUISNESS OF YOURS THEN.WHY DO YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT.Ron you love all the bullshit that goes on here.So stop your crying.
Oh Lee - you are my favorite person to debate and discuss. So opiniated. So much fun! When I talk to Adela, I ask her how she is doing because I care about her feelings. And how you two are doing is the same doing. As Adela will tell you, and you already know, I don't nor will divulge many talks or comments that we do because it isnt out there for the public. And neither on what you have done in your personal relationships. People talk. I always ask, how are you doing, how is everything, etc. That is the nature. Anyone can choose to answer or not.
Do you really think I ask Adela questions so I run and post what I know. You know me much better than that... and you, I enjoy the boards, they are very entertaining, until a few people want to ruin it.
So back to the original topic. The main reason why it wasnt on here because here we go, the thread is hijacked, etc.
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Lee your the best ;D
I met you in tasmania when you was down here and you was open and honoust. Thats what inspired me to getting more serious about bodybuilding and if the was more pro's like Lee bodybuilding would be in a much better state.
Also bob i'm only 16 i've been to 3 bodybuilding shows have about 60 magazines, Most of the money I get is spent on supplements, brought 2 dvd's and I visit all the sites and forums so don't say 99% of the people on here arn't real fans. Sure there are a couple of dickheads that come on and hate on people but thats it.
THE FANS MATTER
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I find that a little amazing. Someone who has the pull and clout he has at BB.com with being able to know all their financial and classified information and being able to pull up sales at will, yet he knew nothing of them sponsoring this board. I find it hard to believe. Or is someone telling up fibs about how much they really know. Makes you go ummmmmmmmmmm.
Either way, there is a problem.
If Bob Chick has access to sales info, there is a HUGE lack of security there.
If Bob Chick does not, they need to re-evaluate who they are paying to represent them, as he is obviously hurting sales.
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the best way yo keep ben from picking ronnie again and leaving politics
out of the bb competitions is letting the world vote just like american idol
but i'm sure there would be ways of fixing that to just face it bb is crooked
and if you are just realizing that your not all there.
why was vic richards the
only man to realize the b.s. and politics his first couple of years in the business?
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Lee your the best ;D
I met you in tasmania when you was down here and you was open and honoust. Thats what inspired me to getting more serious about bodybuilding and if the was more pro's like Lee bodybuilding would be in a much better state.
Also bob i'm only 16 i've been to 3 bodybuilding shows have about 60 magazines, Most of the money I get is spent on supplements, brought 2 dvd's and I visit all the sites and forums so don't say 99% of the people on here arn't real fans. Sure there are a couple of dickheads that come on and hate on people but thats it.
THE FANS MATTER
dont waste your money on mags dude if you have little to waste. get the arnold encyclopedia it has everything you need to know!
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I have little concern for the actual issue but I do find it hilarious how much fuel you have given to 240 with this issue Bob. He is going to go on about this for ages. And realistically he could affect a small reduction in sales.
Bigtime foot in the mouth
Lee:
And don't these [people go to the shows. Ron if it wasn't for the people on here good or bad. You wouldn't have a board so shut the hell up and stop complaining.And you say they don't need to know everything then why is it when you talk to Adela all the time ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS IS ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WHY IS THAT BUISNESS OF YOURS THEN.WHY DO YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT.Ron you love all the bullshit that goes on here.So stop your crying.
Everybody here respects you Lee and as a result probably won't say anything.. but I'll do you a favour and tell you like it is
That was a stupid post.
And there are plenty of people thinking that I assure you. :)
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I'm italian so excuse me for my bad english
I think lee's idea is great.obviously only as an entertaiment round,because people don't are experienced as judges,sometimes they prefer athletes that have not the same quality,simmetry( and so on..) as other ones...but fan's opinion is the other side of the coin and should be considered! so yes judges opinio plus fan's round to split money in a better way....why the preferred bbers shouldn't get payd?
probably-I think-most pros don't want this kind of "fan judgement"because they know that fan's round,fan's opinion could push they bb industry to change a lot of things...for example this round could let to a completely different placement of athletes and what could happen if a bb usually helped by...and placed in the first positions in the oly was judged by fans in 9th,15th position?industry will understand that people prefer other bb and probably will push for other athletes and probably some strange positions in the best competions will change....a lot of bbers have spoken about judges.....now why don't change something? using fan opinio as a kind of insurance policy on right judgement of judges?
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probably-I think-most pros don't want this kind of "fan judgement"because they know that fan's round,fan's opinion could push they bb industry to change a lot of things...for example this round could let to a completely different placement of athletes and what could happen if a bb usually helped by...and placed in the first positions in the oly was judged by fans in 9th,15th position?industry will understand that people prefer other bb and probably will push for other athletes and probably some strange positions in the best competions will change....a lot of bbers have spoken about judges.....now why don't change something? using fan opinio as a kind of insurance policy on right judgement of judges?
The only way to really get a fair judging is to have different judges at every show. Otherwise you will have the same winners every time.. Just thinkin' out loud here..
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this is real.....and the other reason for fan judgement is the fact trhat bb is not a "pure performance" sport like fotball or basket...in which tha ball should be in or out or like sprint in which there is a crono....is a aestetich sport and sometimes a fan judgment to give the right track to develop phisique could be good...for example less stomach enlargment(I'm not referring only to ronnie that has a great phisique)....
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By the 'peanut gallery' Bob clearly means the losers who only EVER post negative things on here. And calling them peanuts is to generous. Retarded, slack jawed, inbred c unts is more like it.
All Bob wants to do is create a situation where pro bbs are making more money. Is that really such a bad thing? Its not a problem for someone like Jay whos sponsored by proscar and is raking in the cash, or Lee with his racing. But most pros make f uck all.
The poker analogy is spot on. If it can work for those guys it can work for bb. Millions of people work out in America, and they would watch bb if it was marketed properly - if only for the 'freak show' element.
Remember that pumping iron was a massive sucess.
The steroid comment was ridiculous because yes, everyone knows bbs use steroids - but everyone knows MOST athletes use performance enhancing drugs - and they still watch football, baseball etc.
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I nominate this as most interesting thread of the year. And im not being a jackass, its very informative. :)
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Re: Extra $50K round in the Olympia- vote
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BTW...Thanks Lee for putting this out there on the regular board. If I wanted it on the gossip/ opinions board, I wouldve done it myself.
Maybe you missed the memo...the items on THIS board is for people who have access to it ONLY. I posted it here to get PRO'S and EXPERT'S opinions, not hear from the peanut gallery...
FROM BOB TO ME.
BOB WHAT YOU FORGET IT IS THE PEANUT GALLERY YOU SO CALL IT. THESE ARE FANS OF THE SPORT NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAYON HERE SO WHY NOT LET THEM READ IT.SCREW THE VIP BOARD ALOAD OF CRAP BOARD MORE LIKE IT.
Lee always cares for the fans!
Good job Lee, you a stand-up fella!
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Lee always cares for the fans!
Good job Lee, you a stand-up fella!
agreed
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I agree...and it's expressive that a lot of pros(and they are very numerous here) don't post on this topic....well done lee ;)
do you think you will come in italy one day?
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Either way, there is a problem.
If Bob Chick has access to sales info, there is a HUGE lack of security there.
If Bob Chick does not, they need to re-evaluate who they are paying to represent them, as he is obviously hurting sales.
Bob Chick having access to the sales records is not a big deal in reality. Numerous people working for BB.com and for any company have access to these records.
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If you ask me, Lee Priest is the one who comes off like a dick here. Bob post something on the VIP board, which was meant for those with access only(how many pm's has 240 shot Ron begging for access.......100,200?). Lee puts it on the main board. Dick move.Then he posts Bob's pissed off response, which was 100% justified. Even bigger dick move. As far as the peanut gallery remark.....you guys are a bunch of bitches if that upset you.
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If you ask me, Lee Priest is the one who comes off like a dick here. Bob post something on the VIP board, which was meant for those with access only(how many pm's has 240 shot Ron begging for access.......100,200?). Lee puts it on the main board. Dick move.Then he posts Bob's pissed off response, which was 100% justified. Even bigger dick move. As far as the peanut gallery remark.....you guys are a bunch of bitches if that upset you.
Hahahaha, Groink laid down the law ;D
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It's not the remark itself, but the fact that it is reflective of Bob's overall attitude of lack of respect for the fans. This attitude shows through in most of his posts. "Bob knows best; if you don't have a pro card, you don't know shit". If you ask me, he's spent way too much time hanging with his buddy Tom Prince. TP's attitude has rubbed off on him.
I'm sure if you walked up to Bob at an expo or a show he would be courteous and professional. The shitbirds who constantly ride him here don't deserve respect. The constant fvcking nit-picking of every word that he (or any pro) posts is pathetic.
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I'm sure if you walked up to Bob at an expo or a show he would be courteous and professional. The shitbirds who constantly ride him here don't deserve respect. The constant fvcking nit-picking of every word that he (or any pro) posts is pathetic.
Thanks you Groink, truth is flowing off your fingers like water down the back of a penguin!
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hahahahah, Chick o wned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL....
Sorry bob, but...you just got....
OWNED!
Maybe it's just me but why would one of the least impressive pros be the athlete rep? I'm assuming it is because no one else wanted to do it or because they wanted someone who wasnt' actually going to change anything.
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LOL....
Sorry bob, but...you just got....
OWNED!
Maybe it's just me but why would one of the least impressive pros be the athlete rep? I'm assuming it is because no one else wanted to do it or because they wanted someone who wasnt' actually going to change anything.
Bob has a great physique and is far from being one of the least impressive pros. If you actually looked at pictures of all the contests during a given year, you would realize that ::)
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EXPERTS ! that sounds almost porographic in that context LOL
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I never post, but after reading such shite I felt compelled to do so. First off, the $50k should be distributed to the athletes down the line. No ifs, ands, or buts. THEY are the ones that deserve some reward for their hard work and dedication to the sport. The "gimmick" rounds are ridiculous and circus-like.
Secondly, Bob, with all due respect you sound more like a rep for the IFBB and AMI than for the athletes. Your focus should be in the best interests of the athletes, not the success of the IFBB and AMI, that is their problem. Without the athletes you have no IFBB or AMI. Perhaps this is where the PDI will do better.
Thirdly, AMI and the IFBB must realize they are the ones that have driven Pro BB into the ground, too many reasons to list. The athletes are doing their best, competing, engaging the fans, they are doing their part. When will the IFBB put the ones that make them the money, ie the athletes, first? This again brings up the PDI and their philosophy. Instead of the IFBB taking a confrontational approach to the PDI, they should embrace the new division to further the success and develpment of Pro BB overall.
If the IFBB really wants to make a change to better the sport, then the IFBB needs a serious shake-up. Bring in new judges, adhere to the rules of judging, stop the nonsense, the political crap, the egos, the cheating, on and on and on.....And listen to the fans.
In short the IFBB is one fu#ked-up organization. I welcome the PDI and hope it brings greater success to the sport of BB.
In conclusion, getting back on topic, JUST GIVE THE MONEY TO THE ONES THAT DESERVE IT! And we all know who they are.
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Thanks Slayer for why it is there. First of all - you are an idiot. Pure and simple. A statement like that that is so pathetic, I would delete it, but I have to show it because now you understand why. That was my idea - that board. NO ONE tells me what to do. Period. And at least, here with a constructive question, they don't have to deal with the crap that you hijack a thread. If you answered the questions and were focused, it would of been great. But not you understand why. Thanks for you troll of an answer, and a fucked up stupid one at that.
Hey Ron,
is this why you sold your soul?
bb.com sponsorship = private board for Chick and 15 shmoes
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It's "peak" as you put it...is the same 5,000 fans that have attended every year...no new business, and no "real" money when compared to other sports...let alone their "superbowl" of the season.
All the athletes want to bitch about the prize money, but few are willing to support anything but a nuts and bolts competition...which will NEVER attract anymore fans than it has in the 40 year history of the Olympia.
You have to be careful straying away from what brings those 5,000 fans to the Olympia. Adding a popularity round, challenge round, and WWE style entertainment actually alienates many of the fans who attend every year and like a "nuts and bolts" style competition.
I proposed changing the "press conference" over 4 years ago...it was the most boring waste of time for everyone, and wasn't well attended. It only became interesting when the athletes started airing their dirty laundry, and arguments became public fodder...
The press conference was not the time or place for the IFBB athletes sitting in the audience to take the mic and start complaining about their situation. It was suppose to be about the athletes actually competing in the show and a chance for the fans and press to ask them questions. I would like to see a return to this format and have Jim Manion lead the press conference. Many fans (and competing athletes) are turned off by the current WWE style interviews at the press conference.
PPV and TV revenue is where the real money is...where do you think the BIG money comes from? Selling commercials is BIG $$$$$! Because we have (to this date) nothing of interest to sell...we have no market to sell it to, and thus no money coming in other than sponsor dollars...nice, but pails in comparison to even the most mundane of events that have TV time.
We start featuring the athletes, their personalities, the rivalries, the confrontations, etc...and make people take an interest be it they love you or hate your guts...they show an INTEREST.
I agree that there needs to be TV revenue in pro bodybuilding. But, I don't think it's going to happen by featuring athlete's personalities or rivalries. Let the show create it's own drama, you can't force it. Have the Olympia organizers tried working with FitTV? That would seem like a logical place to start. A live broadcast of the Olympia on a cable TV fitness channel, free of charge to the public, and a way to start attracting more fans.
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I wonder if this will effect lee's placing in the IFBB..
Not as much as being a dumb racist will "affect" (not "effect") yours ::)
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is this why you sold your soul?
bb.com sponsorship = private board for Chick and 15 shmoes
Private board for Chick??? Now that is really, really funny. It is a board for the people who have earned Blue Stars, not for Chick!
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The only way to really get a fair judging is to have different judges at every show. Otherwise you will have the same winners every time.. Just thinkin' out loud here..
For your sake, I hope there aren't any "Mexican" judges ::)
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You have to be careful straying away from what brings those 5,000 fans to the Olympia. Adding a popularity round, challenge round, and WWE style entertainment actually alienates many of the fans who attend every year and like a "nuts and bolts" style competition.
A.We have to be careful, or what? The hardcore fans will show no matter what. The prize money will stay the same unless change is initiated.
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The press conference was not the time or place for the IFBB athletes sitting in the audience to take the mic and start complaining about their situation. It was suppose to be about the athletes actually competing in the show and a chance for the fans and press to ask them questions. I would like to see a return to this format and have Jim Manion lead the press conference. Many fans (and competing athletes) are turned off by the current WWE style interviews at the press conference.
A. Really? Then why did we sell the room out the last 2 years? Yeah, the fans asking "how many chicken breasts do you eat.." and "What do you bench..." style questions had everone on the edge of their seats...
I agree that there needs to be TV revenue in pro bodybuilding. But, I don't think it's going to happen by featuring athlete's personalities or rivalries. Let the show create it's own drama, you can't force it. Have the Olympia organizers tried working with FitTV? That would seem like a logical place to start. A live broadcast of the Olympia on a cable TV fitness channel, free of charge to the public, and a way to start attracting more fans.
Yeah, why would it work? It's only worked for EVERY OTHER sporting event on the planet. Poker, UFC, WWE, ice skating, etc....speaking of which...did you know the Nancy Kerrigan/ Tonya Harding match up drew a record number of viewers (over 10X the reg. numbers) due to the attack and subsequent storyline?
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My thoughts.....
Bob is an idiot for calling any fan of bodybuilding on this message board any names (bad business practice). Since I assume (for one reason or another) or why would we be here. I am not a fan of soccer, so you wouldn't see me post on a soccer meassage board & trolling it for fun. Not a smart move Bob.
Now...I read pretty much everything & other than Bob's dumb comment about us being a peanut gallery, his idea isn't half bad. I see Lee's point but honestly, Chick came up with a half way decent idea. It personally doesn't involve me, but I can see how a lot of Pro's would like the idea. I think sometimes you guys on here are riding Chicks nut sack a little too tight. This was just an idea & may never even become reality. Although I don't agree with everything he says, there's some things where I believe he's made some advancements for the Pro Bodybuilders. Look how far this industry has come in 30-40 years. Sure it could be a lot better, but seriously guys....were talking about bodybuilding. It's a damn pageant show on gear. It's lucky that it's come this far.
Lee Priest....after reading a lot of his stuff....he's my favorite personality on the Pro Scene. Tells it the way it is & holds nothing back.
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I'm not speaking for Bob, but feel that he was justified in wanting to keep this potential plan under wraps until all the details had been worked out.
It's RARE that the pros get to have any input into what goes into one of their shows, so he made a legitimate effort to handle this situation the right way. The fact that it's turned into a small circus merely proves that his original feelings were right on.
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atleast it demonstrates he's thinking about new ideas
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I'm not speaking for Bob, but feel that he was justified in wanting to keep this potential plan under wraps until all the details had been worked out.
It's RARE that the pros get to have any input into what goes into one of their shows, so he made a legitimate effort to handle this situation the right way. The fact that it's turned into a small circus merely proves that his original feelings were right on.
Good point, Tre!
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We have to be careful, or what? The hardcore fans will show no matter what. The prize money will stay the same unless change is initiated.
I wouldn't always count on the hardcore fans showing up. We've stayed with the show the last couple years in hopes that it will get better.
Really? Then why did we sell the room out the last 2 years? Yeah, the fans asking "how many chicken breasts do you eat.." and "What do you bench..." style questions had everone on the edge of their seats...
The room was packed last year because it was tiny. Just as many or more people were at the press conference when it was the old format. It's important that the IFBB/AMI have a presence at the press conference and not hide away.
Yeah, why would it work? It's only worked for EVERY OTHER sporting event on the planet. Poker, UFC, WWE, ice skating, etc....speaking of which...did you know the Nancy Kerrigan/ Tonya Harding match up drew a record number of viewers (over 10X the reg. numbers) due to the attack and subsequent storyline?
I'm sure if Ronnie was hit in the knee by a fat guy with a baton as he left the stage, that would be huge news. But, you can't force that kind of drama or it looks phony. Past attempts at putting bodybuilding on TV have not been presented well, including bad camera work and announcers talking over the posing music. This should be the focus of improvement, not changing the format or staging controversy.
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I wouldn't always count on the hardcore fans showing up. We've stayed with the show the last couple years in hopes that it will get better.
The room was packed last year because it was tiny. Just as many or more people were at the press conference when it was the old format. It's important that the IFBB/AMI have a presence at the press conference and not hide away.
I'm sure if Ronnie was hit in the knee by a fat guy with a baton as he left the stage, that would be huge news. But, you can't force that kind of drama or it looks phony. Past attempts at putting bodybuilding on TV have not been presented well, including bad camera work and announcers talking over the posing music. This should be the focus of improvement, not changing the format or staging controversy.
Poor quality presentation helps lend bodybuilding its underdog charm. ;D
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I'm sure if you walked up to Bob at an expo or a show he would be courteous and professional. The shitbirds who constantly ride him here don't deserve respect. The constant fvcking nit-picking of every word that he (or any pro) posts is pathetic.
Sorry but ANYONE in the public appearance will do the same thing. That is what they are paid for. Very rarely does anyone in the spotlight act bad while actually doing a personal appearance. Understand that, cause that is a fact. As far as I am concerned I like Chic's open attitude but he does need to learn to control his emotions and anger. You can tell very easily he loses it quick and that is not a good trait to have, especially when you are spokesperson, in the public eye and endorse products.
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Sorry but ANYONE in the public appearance will do the same thing. That is what they are paid for. Very rarely does anyone in the spotlight act bad while actually doing a personal appearance. Understand that, cause that is a fact. As far as I am concerned I like Chic's open attitude but he does need to learn to control his emotions and anger. You can tell very easily he loses it quick and that is not a good trait to have, especially when you are spokesperson, in the public eye and endorse products.
I don't think people should be held to the same standards online that they are in person. It's really a separate realm with its own rules and expectations.
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I wouldn't always count on the hardcore fans showing up. We've stayed with the show the last couple years in hopes that it will get better.
The room was packed last year because it was tiny. Just as many or more people were at the press conference when it was the old format. It's important that the IFBB/AMI have a presence at the press conference and not hide away.
I'm sure if Ronnie was hit in the knee by a fat guy with a baton as he left the stage, that would be huge news. But, you can't force that kind of drama or it looks phony. Past attempts at putting bodybuilding on TV have not been presented well, including bad camera work and announcers talking over the posing music. This should be the focus of improvement, not changing the format or staging controversy.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the announcers have to talk over the music to avoid copyright infringement(cheap IFBB). But Joe Amato is still a dildo. I agree 1000% that the camera work is horrible. It's not just the cameras. The whole production sucks, technically speaking.
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But it seems to show one's true feelings, they are just easier to express because there are no consequences.
But people also express feelings that aren't really there or exaggerate their true feelings. I see your point, though. Sometimes it is much better not to know what someone is really thinking ;D
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I don't think people should be held to the same standards online that they are in person. It's really a separate realm with its own rules and expectations.
My thoughts exactly. Also what he posted was not meant for general consumption, Lee(the cock)Priest Showed poor form by posting it. I'm sure pro athletes in every sport have some choice things to say about fans, behind closed doors.
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Personally I think it is a rather dumb idea, but the Peanut Gallery comment was and is out of line. I think the Great Bob owes us little people a little respect. What everybody has been saying on her is true. We are the backbone of the sport.
Be a man and gives us an apology.
I don’t care if you write it off too a bad hair day, your hair cream has expired, not getting enough, can’t keep up with the young GF. Whatever, but do the right thing, you were out of line.
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My thoughts exactly. Also what he posted was not meant for general consumption, Lee(the cock)Priest Showed poor form by posting it. I'm sure pro athletes in every sport have some choice things to say about fans, behind closed doors.
Who's side are you on anyway? It certainly does not sound like the side of the fans. So you're sure pro athletes have something to say about fans behind closed doors, huh? You make it sound like that makes it ok. If there were no fans, there would be no sport, period. If you want to continue living as a fief to the athlete's lord, go ahead. I have more respect for myself than that. I don't have time for people that think they're better than everybody, especially just because they're an athlete. Sure, some of these people are pros on here and get worshipped. but we're all equal human beings that deserved to be treated with respect.
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But people also express feelings that aren't really there or exaggerate their true feelings. I see your point, though. Sometimes it is much better not to know what someone is really thinking ;D
You do this with every post of yours. lol..
Although one person ribbed you about it, I think that you do this purposefully. He takes you seriously when you are only half serious at best. And I doubt that you yourself have figured out which half you actually believe in...:D cause it really doesn't matter much, if at all, to you. ::)
It is kind of fun and I look forward to reading your posts. As you flip flop on just about every issue and agree with both sides of the argument within the same thread! It does appear true that you don't often know what you are talking about but you stick it out there nonetheless. It's great.
I do think you have talent for this sort of writing; i do see you as wasting that talent on this board. It would be a shame if you were spending all your time here simply to entertain me and a few others when you could be doing something more productful ( financially or otherwise self-fulfilling ).
I'd kind of miss your contribution but I think that you'd be successful in other artistic pursuits. You can Define success in whichever way floats your boat.
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Who's side are you on anyway? It certainly does not sound like the side of the fans. So you're sure pro athletes have something to say about fans behind closed doors, huh? You make it sound like that makes it ok. If there were no fans, there would be no sport, period. If you want to continue living as a fief to the athlete's lord, go ahead. I have more respect for myself than that. I don't have time for people that think they're better than everybody, especially just because they're an athlete. Sure, some of these people are pros on here and get worshipped. but we're all equal human beings that deserved to be treated with respect.
I'm on my side.
I'm not defending Bob here, but calling this place "The Peanut gallery" is actually being a little generous, for all the shit he takes here. I'm just as guilty as the next man,but I'm not a thin skinned little homo.If you think Pro athletes don't have a few laughs at the fans expense you are beyond naive. And as far as worshipping at some pros feet, please,youv'e got to be kidding. I put nothing on this earth above myself, much less some juiced up asswipe.
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Private board for Chick??? Now that is really, really funny. It is a board for the people who have earned Blue Stars, not for Chick!
I guess you missed the "and 15 schmoes" part.
Ron, is this this new esoteric board subsidized by bb.com ?
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Special Guests are allowed to view the new board also.
I think the Special Guest card might be the best way to get into the VIP Room ;)
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You do this with every post of yours. lol..
Although one person ribbed you about it, I think that you do this purposefully. He takes you seriously when you are only half serious at best. And I doubt that you yourself have figured out which half you actually believe in...:D cause it really doesn't matter much, if at all, to you. ::)
It is kind of fun and I look forward to reading your posts. As you flip flop on just about every issue and agree with both sides of the argument within the same thread! It does appear true that you don't often know what you are talking about but you stick it out there nonetheless. It's great.
I do think you have talent for this sort of writing; i do see you as wasting that talent on this board. It would be a shame if you were spending all your time here simply to entertain me and a few others when you could be doing something more productful ( financially or otherwise self-fulfilling ).
I'd kind of miss your contribution but I think that you'd be successful in other artistic pursuits. You can Define success in whichever way floats your boat.
Thank you for the complements ;D I have heard some people say good things about my writing before. I think it's decent and I try to make realistics assessments about my abilities. I didn't know I flip-flopped so much on here, but that is me in real life as well. It's not intentional. Don't worry about me wasting too much time on this board. I have an obsessive personality and I'll eventually tire of posting here. I'm about to graduate too ,so I will definitely have different priorities soon. ;D
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Thank you for the complements ;D I have heard some people say good things about my writing before. I think it's decent and I try to make realistics assessments about my abilities. I didn't know I flip-flopped so much on here, but that is me in real life as well. It's not intentional. Don't worry about me wasting too much time on this board. I have an obsessive personality and I'll eventually tire of posting here. I'm about to graduate too ,so I will definitely have different priorities soon. ;D
I really do wish you well in life lucius- and whatever other personality you have on this board. You seem to post within 5 minutes or so of another member so I am thinking you are either friends of this guy or are in fact that particular handle. thus my earlier comment ( about someone else ) of " the sound of one hand clapping ".
I won't be worrying about you.
take care.
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I'm on my side.
I'm not defending Bob here, but calling this place "The Peanut gallery" is actually being a little generous, for all the shit he takes here. I'm just as guilty as the next man,but I'm not a thin skinned little homo.If you think Pro athletes don't have a few laughs at the fans expense you are beyond naive. And as far as worshipping at some pros feet, please,youv'e got to be kidding. I put nothing on this earth above myself, much less some juiced up asswipe.
Yes, I suppose you consider Bob saying "99% of the people on here aren't fans" a generous statement as well. And yes I know that pros are probably laughing their asses off at fans left and right, I'm not naive, I'm just saying it's not right considering the position that they're in versus the fan. I don't want to be lumped into a group that's includes vindictive, ignorant, "thin-skinned little homos" as you called them. But that's what Bob is doing.
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Only someones individual posts put them in a particular category.
No one gets"lumped" in...
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Only someones individual posts put them in a particular category.
No one gets"lumped" in...
Bob, do you regret using the term "peanut gallery" to describe what you estimated to be "99% of getbig members"?
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Only someones individual posts put them in a particular category.
No one gets"lumped" in...
Ok then please keep me out of this group, I have shown nothing but utmost respect to any pro on here.
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Bob, do you regret telling us that you had access to our personal information garnered from BBing.com sales?
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I really do wish you well in life lucius- and whatever other personality you have on this board. You seem to post within 5 minutes or so of another member so I am thinking you are either friends of this guy or are in fact that particular handle. thus my earlier comment ( about someone else ) of " the sound of one hand clapping ".
I won't be worrying about you.
take care.
I only have one account. Considering how much I post, to do otherwise would be impossible. ;D
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What do you suppose he meant when he said this?
are you suggesting that Bob is doing something less than straight on the side, Goatboy?
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69499.0;attach=76632;image)
What do you suppose he meant when he said this?
He obviously viewed me as foolish, even though he was the one making negative statements about the security of his employer's information.
Now when he said he was more than an endorsed athlete, he was either mistaken, or Ryan Deluca is mistaken...
Which one is it, Bob?
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I'd say Ryan is telling the truth (since it is his company, after all), and Bob told a little fib because it is important to his ego that a bunch of anonymous internet posters view him as more than just an over-the-hill 3rd-tier meathead.
Perhaps you are right. Records do reveal the company does belong to Ryan, not Bob.
However, there is another discrepancy when Ryan said Bob cannot see customer info, and Bob claims to have this power.
Bob: Were you lying? Or, does Ryan just not know what's going on over there?
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Perhaps you are right. Records do reveal the company does belong to Ryan, not Bob.
However, there is another discrepancy when Ryan said Bob cannot see customer info, and Bob claims to have this power.
Bob: Were you lying? Or, does Ryan just not know what's going on over there?
Ryan's smarter than that, do you really think he'd let a third tier bb'er making 32 thousand bucks a year have access to customers credit card info?
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I think Ryan is smarter than that. He told me he's smarter than that. I want to believe Ryan.
But that would entail NOT believing Bob. So then I'd have to face the reality that Bob is a liar, that Bob is delusional and ignorant, or that Bob is incompetent. Which do you think is most probable?
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I think Ryan is smarter than that. He told me he's smarter than that. I want to believe Ryan.
But that would entail NOT believing Bob. So then I'd have to face the reality that Bob is a liar, that Bob is delusional and ignorant, or that Bob is incompetent. Which do you think is most probable?
all four.
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he really believes he's "more" than just a washed-up third-tier bodybuilder. He thinks he's "somebody", dammit! ;D
Are you saying he's been demasculated? Do you think Tosha thinks he's any less of a man now?
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1) Bob's secret poll on IFBB judging is exposed to the gossip and opinions board
2) Jay Cutlers "I think the idea sucks" reponse is also disclosed
3) Bob categorically slams the gossip and opinion board (essentially the entire getbig community)
by referencing them as the "peanut gallery"
4) Bob decides to respond to 240's investigation into claims made about Bob's role/clout at bodybuilding.com, and quickly proceeds to make a fool of himself by arguing a losing battle (7 pages worth)
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Come on guys, you've made your point. Now let this go.
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Bob, leak some more of his financial info. Show him who's boss!
Come on 240, is this really necessary? ::)
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Its no secret shit i will tell you BB.COM has given me a few thousand here and there to put their logo on the dragster for races i have done.
Lee
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The sad thing is every single thing 240 has said has been 100% true. This is a mess of Bob's own creation. Poor Bob can't seem to open his mouth without sticking his foot in it.
some people are just gluttons for punishment. bobby is one of those people.
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The sad thing is every single thing 240 has said has been 100% true. This is a mess of Bob's own creation. Poor Bob can't seem to open his mouth without sticking his foot in it.
Yeah, but don't you think he's had enough? :-\
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Yeah, but don't you think he's had enough? :-\
Most of us backed off and made some dinner. Bob came back swinging, bragging about how he didn't get yelled at, and all about his new contract.
For the record...
This isn't a BB.com decision..It's MY decision.
I've heard NOTHING from BB.com reguarding this, by phone or email...believe me, they (and I)
have better and more important things to do.
BTW, I've just recently renewed my contract with BB.com for another 3 years.
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Most of us backed off and made some dinner. Bob came back swinging, bragging about how he didn't get yelled at, and all about his new contract.
I never thought I would say this, but 240, I think you are going to have to be the bigger man ;D
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I never thought I would say this, but 240, I think you are going to have to be the bigger man ;D
Good call. I think we can put a cap on this event. We'll always have the screenshots when we wish to relive the moment, and we'll always affectionately see ourselves as the Peanut Gallery. Goat, thoughts? Time to let Bob Chick RIP?
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Good call. I think we can put a cap on this event. We'll always have the screenshots when we wish to relive the moment, and we'll always affectionately see ourselves as the Peanut Gallery. Goat, thoughts? Time to let Bob Chick RIP?
I'm just saying that it is like beating a guy after he is already dead. Sure, they did that to Mussolini, but Bob is nowhere near that bad, right? ;D
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Bob, do you regret telling us that you had access to our personal information garnered from BBing.com sales?
does he really do that ?
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does he really do that ?
Yes.
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anyone else wish 240 would change the record?
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anyone else wish 240 would change the record?
(http://www.vandykes.com/images/products/02018059-lg.jpg)
Bwahahahaha...I agree, it's time to leave this one alone. Bob had the tar beaten out of him and he needs to rest now ;D
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And once again the interests of the BB are lost in a big pile of everything but the topic in question.
I have no problem with a VIP forum for the pros. A cyber boardroom for the athletes taking care of their own business. Thats fine.
As a fan I want to see the athletes get paid for their hard work, some dedicated science to keep the information cutting edge in keeping the athletes as safe as possible with the risky life they lead, and a free forum for the fans to say whats on their minds. I come here to see what the pros say, and read what the fans say when I have the time, which isnt often.
A posing, entertainment idea with the fans voting by applause sounds good to me. Nothing like the energy at a show as BB's play the crowd and take it to each other: this extra posing round will only add to that insane energy the shows have. More can be done to put some cash in the pockets of the athletes, but for right now this sounds like a good start.
cheers
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And once again the interests of the BB are lost in a big pile of everything but the topic in question.
I have no problem with a VIP forum for the pros. A cyber boardroom for the athletes taking care of their own business. Thats fine.
As a fan I want to see the athletes get paid for their hard work, some dedicated science to keep the information cutting edge in keeping the athletes as safe as possible with the risky life they lead, and a free forum for the fans to say whats on their minds. I come here to see what the pros say, and read what the fans say when I have the time, which isnt often.
A posing, entertainment idea with the fans voting by applause sounds good to me. Nothing like the energy at a show as BB's play the crowd and take it to each other: this extra posing round will only add to that insane energy the shows have. More can be done to put some cash in the pockets of the athletes, but for right now this sounds like a good start.
cheers
I think a dancing round might also be a good idea. Bodybuilders could dance with their wives or girlfriends and earn points.
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the challenge round wasnt a bust. every one loved the idea before they found out that the judges would actually give the better man the "w" in the poses that they were comparing. whiny ass bitches cant take losing , since they "paid their dues".
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the challenge round wasnt a bust. every one loved the idea before they found out that the judges would actually give the better man the "w" in the poses that they were comparing. whiny ass bitches cant take losing , since they "paid their dues".
You're just mad because you haven't paid your dues ;D
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LOL ;D
You know it's true ;D
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Never truer.. (is there such a word as truer?) ;D
Yes ;D
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I think a dancing round might also be a good idea. Bodybuilders could dance with their wives or girlfriends and earn points.
Lucius, Lucius, Lucius.
I want to see BB's, not their better halves.
You definately have a unique mind.
;D
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I only have one account. Considering how much I post, to do otherwise would be impossible. ;D
good luck.
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there should be a talent piece texpressed for the big shows...playing piano. singing, stripping etc. SOMETHING.
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You know it's true ;D
are you actually quoting Milli Vanilli?
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Lucius, Lucius, Lucius.
I want to see BB's, not their better halves.
You definately have a unique mind.
;D
Thank you ;D
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are you actually quoting Milli Vanilli?
did somone say Milli Vanilli?
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there should be a talent piece texpressed for the big shows...playing piano. singing, stripping etc. SOMETHING.
I think this is a great idea. It would show that bodybuilders aren't just meatheads.
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I think this is a great idea. It would show that bodybuilders aren't just meatheads.
how about they just show clips of their "private posing" web cam sessions...
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how about they just show clips of their "private posing" web cam sessions...
Hahahaha....that would be somewhat entertaining ;D. And then it would get sad :-\
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Or just get some other form of entertainment, ala, COMEDIANS!!!
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Or just get some other form of entertainment, ala, COMEDIANS!!!
I thought that was what Tamali was there for...no ???
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I'm sorry for the delay, Lee....
WHO was it that fined you $17,000 and suspended you for 12 months???? WAYNE.
And just how did you stick your neck out for anyone other than yourself? You were fined or suspended for YOUR OWN bullshit...you werent leading any great cause for anyone else
And where were you when I was trying to get support for a BBers union 3 years ago...I don't remember a peep coming from you, or your attendance in the meeting.
And what cause were you fighting when you decided the contract wasnt fair last year...you could have brought that up in the meeting, you chose to remain silent and bring it up 2 weeks before the show...what were you looking for, guys to follow you after dieting/ training/ spending thousands in prep for 12 weeks?
I find it ironic that You and Vince...the 2 most fined athletes in BB history...and 2 guys that have bitched and MF'ed wayne for YEARS...are now singing his praises.
I'm sure it was all Ben's fault...Wayne said so.
BTW...how many athletes has Manion fined/ suspended....ZERO.
Another irony...YOU'LL be the FIRST.
You want to "keep it real"...lets keep it real.
THEN KEEP IT REAL BOB ALL YOU WROTE THEN IS BULLSHIT.SO COME BACK WHEN YOU GET IT RIGHT .IF YOU EVER DO.
LEE
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND LEE ??? LAST YEAR HE PULLED OUT OF THE OLYMPIA 2 WEEKS BEFORE THE SHOW BECAUSE HE DID NOT AGREE WITH THE CONTRACT!!!!
THIS YEAR, THE SAME CONTRACT AND HE WANTS TO COMPETE AT THE OLYMPIA???
Yes same contract but i will be in shape after doing the NOC so why not do it for the fans.Now if i was just prepearing for the O then no i wouldn't.
LAST YEAR HE DID NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE FANS, SO NOW HE WANTS TO COMPETE FOR HIS FANS ???
Like i said my true fans understood i pulled out 5 weeks before is when Robin Chang was contacted.It wasn't brought out till later becasue the story was in the magazine.So i kept quiet till them.
I BELIEVE LEE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO THAN CREATING PROBLEMS. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME ???
So you really KNOW NOTHING.
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You;re the man, Lee - you'll always be a fan fav. I'm pulling for you
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THEN KEEP IT REAL BOB ALL YOU WROTE THEN IS BULLSHIT.SO COME BACK WHEN YOU GET IT RIGHT .IF YOU EVER DO.
LEE
I'm sorry Lee...what part isn't true?
How about answering the questions for the fans?
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I'm sorry Lee...what part isn't true?
How about answering the questions for the fans?
What questions for the fans are Lee avoiding, Bob?
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WHO was it that fined you $17,000 and suspended you for 12 months? WAYNE.
No BOB it was Bens name and signature on all my letter of fines and suspension.Sorry to burst your bubble.
And just how did you stick your neck out for anyone other than yourself? You were fined or suspended for YOUR OWN bullshit...you werent leading any great cause for anyone else
What did i gain for my self i spoke out for changes that would be good for all.You must be thinking of you and shawn who are only out for themselves.After each interview i done and things i said alot of pros came to me saying they agreed but would not say anything for fear of not placing well or making money.Seems i had more come to me then you have come to you or call you.Wonder why?
And where were you when I was trying to get support for a BBers union 3 years ago...I don't remember a peep coming from you, or your attendance in the meeting.
UMMM i was where most guys competing or getting ready for a show or watching a loved one compete were.Dumb idea you know you will never get all athletes together if a show is on.
And what cause were you fighting when you decided the contract wasnt fair last year...you could have brought that up in the meeting, you chose to remain silent and bring it up 2 weeks before the show...what were you looking for, guys to follow you after dieting/ training/ spending thousands in prep for 12 weeks?
As i said Robin Chang who runs the Olympia NOT YOU EVEN THOU YOU THINK YOU DO.Was notified 6 weeks before and never got back to me.A story was done for the mags and i was asked to keep quiet till the mag came out.
I find it ironic that You and Vince...the 2 most fined athletes in BB history...and 2 guys that have bitched and MF'ed wayne for YEARS...are now singing his praises.
Wayne and i have had our disagrements but we talked them out.Hell we had a big argument the night before the San Fran show that i won.No big deal. Wayne is a buisness man and good for the sport.Just look where it has gone with out him.Nothing against Jim.
I'm sure it was all Ben's fault...Wayne said so.
HELL YOU GOT ONE POINT RIGHT WELL DONE.
BTW...how many athletes has Manion fined/ suspended....ZERO.
Another irony...YOU'LL be the FIRST
And will gladly accept it as always.
Anymore questions? Oh i am wearing Blue Bob ;)
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go lee 8)
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WIN
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If Bob wants to do a better job than Shawn Ray as the rep he still needs to name an award after himself like Shawn did. Come to think of it, I think that's the only thing Shawn did as athlete's rep . . .
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Bob, you've just been crucified by a Priest.
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2. If a National Federation does not respect its engagement, financial or otherwise, with another country or countries, or with the IFBB, the National Federation may be fined, suspended, or expelled.
3. Any athlete or official who is suspended may not compete, give an exhibition or seminar, judge or otherwise officiate, organize events, or act in an administrative capacity, whether in his or her own country, or in any other country, for the IFBB or any IFBB-recognized National Federation.
4. The issuance of false certificates (cards) shall be deemed a serious offence punishable by fine, suspension, or expulsion.
5. Any athlete or official who threatens a judge or official by word or gesture, or who uses offensive words to any other athlete or official and who refuses to withdraw same, may be fined, suspended or expelled.
6. Any athlete or official who engages in activity of a pornographic nature, or whose conduct is deemed prejudicial to the IFBB, may be fined, suspended, or expelled.
7. Any athlete or official who participates in a competition or event not approved or sanctioned by the IFBB, may be fined, suspended or expelled. Participation shall include, but shall not be limited to, competing, guest posing, giving a seminar, lecture or similar presentation, judging, officiating, allowing the use of one’s name and/or likeness for promotional purposes, and/or taking part in a non-IFBB sanctioned competition or event in any other way, shape, or form.
8. Once recognized by the IFBB pursuant to the terms and conditions of the Constitution and Rules, or pursuant to the terms and conditions of the constitution and rules of a National, Regional or Continental affiliate, no athlete, judge, official, administrator or other Member shall hold membership in any other bodybuilding and/or fitness organization; nor shall that Member participate in or promote, in any way, shape or form, their activities, failing which the Member may be fined, suspended or expelled. 31
9. Disciplinary action may be taken against any athlete or official who contravenes the IFBB Code of Ethics, attached as Appendix 1, which shall form an integral part of the Constitution and Rules.
10. Disciplinary action may be taken against any Member for prejudicial conduct, where such conduct is defined as being demonstrably harmful to the IFBB and/or to the sport of bodybuilding and fitness, whether through gross malfeasance or egregious moral behavior. Article 20 – Appeals 20.1 Appeals: Any Member, believing that he or she has been wronged in any way, shape or form, and after having followed the proper “chain of command” in an effort to resolve the matter, shall have the right to file a complaint or appeal to the President who shall investigate, or cause to be investigated by an ad hoc appeal committee appointed by the President, the complaint or appeal; shall then make a determination upon the complaint or appeal, and shall report such determination to the complainant or appellant. There shall be no right of appeal from the interpretation given to the Constitution and Rules by the President.
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After reading some of these rules i guess alot of IFBB pros will be suspended with me. If you are going to suspend me for a rule then we must suspend others who also have broken them. At least i will have company.
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OH SHIT BOB - I GUESS YOU WILL JOIN ME AFTER READING SOME OFF THESE. I GUESS WE ARE ALL GUILTY (NUMBER 12). I HOPE THEY ARE READY TO SUSPEND OTHERS IF GOING TO SUSPEND ME. JUST A THOUGHT
Athletes: We, the athletes, realizing that our conduct reflects on the good name of the sport, and realizing the responsibility thereby placed upon us, pledge ourselves:
1. to fulfill our responsibility to society, to other athletes, judges, officials, and administrators of the IFBB.
2. to honour, dignify, and support the sport by competing in the best condition and to the best of our ability, and by being in top shape when giving an exhibition or a seminar.
3. to respect our opponents on equal terms in the spirit of friendly rivalry and good sportsmanship.
4. to respect the IFBB Constitution and Rules as well as the rules of competition and to observe them honestly in cooperation with other competitors, judges, officials, administrators, and organizers.
5. to accept the decisions of the judges, officials and administrators in the spirit of good sportsmanship without descending to selfish recriminations, realizing that these decisions have been made honestly, fairly, and objectively.
6. to assist the IFBB in the promotion of the sport by acting as a goodwill ambassador of the sport, promoting the sport in a positive manner, and protecting the good image and integrity of the sport and the IFBB.
7. to work for the IFBB, not against it, in promoting its values, morals and ethics; to exercise our right of protest in a courteous, respectful manner, following the proper chain of command; to refrain from innuendo, malicious gossip and rumour-mongering; to refrain from personal attacks against any other Member of the IFBB.
8. to continue striving for bodily perfection and correct moral principles.
9. to honour the special trust conferred upon us by our participation in, and by our representation of, the IFBB and our 34 country, at international events, and to adhere to the standards of personal conduct expected of us.
10. to recognize the value of the sport and to promote its future by serving as an example to inspire other people to participate.
11. to cooperate with our officials and administrators in the development of high standards, both moral and physical, for the sport and in the progressive furtherance of the objects of the IFBB.
12. to oppose the use of banned substances and methods and to compete drug-free.
13. to refrain from any conduct that may be considered prejudicial to the IFBB;
14. to conduct ourselves at all times in a manner that reflects positively upon the image of the sport and the IFBB.
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I am just glad i will not be alone when fined and suspended.
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I'm loving no's 12 and 14 ;)
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Shit i used stuff for the Ironman.Crap
Hey Bob where you drug free for your show? just wondering be honest and you to can join the suspension line :)
Because the IFBB sticks to it's rules.
Well they do with me so they must do with others.
See where this is going.Sort of like that Jay diurectic test thing.
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How about answering the questions for the fans?
Bob Chick, are you denying you use any banned substances?
Lee Priest is man enough to admit it. I guess we know who we can trust.
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WHO was it that fined you $17,000 and suspended you for 12 months? WAYNE.
No BOB it was Bens name and signature on all my letter of fines and suspension.Sorry to burst your bubble.
A. No, sorry to burst YOUR bubble, Lee...Wayne was the one issuing the suspention, Ben merely signed the paperwork that Wayne submitted...as you should know with your vast experience...Ben has NOTHING to do with the operations of the shows, thats why he has a president (Wayne).
And just how did you stick your neck out for anyone other than yourself? You were fined or suspended for YOUR OWN bullshit...you werent leading any great cause for anyone else
What did i gain for my self i spoke out for changes that would be good for all.You must be thinking of you and shawn who are only out for themselves.After each interview i done and things i said alot of pros came to me saying they agreed but would not say anything for fear of not placing well or making money.Seems i had more come to me then you have come to you or call you.Wonder why?
A. Are you trying to say your suspentions/ fines were due to speaking out in interviews?? Or were theey due to you pulling out of shows despite signing a contract to compete? sounds familiar....
And where were you when I was trying to get support for a BBers union 3 years ago...I don't remember a peep coming from you, or your attendance in the meeting.
UMMM i was where most guys competing or getting ready for a show or watching a loved one compete were.Dumb idea you know you will never get all athletes together if a show is on.
A. Bullshit...you didn't have the balls to show your face at the meeting...which was scheduled at a time that didn't interfere with anything (Thursday eve.) oddly...other athletes that were competing in the same show managed to attend as they thought it was important.
And what cause were you fighting when you decided the contract wasnt fair last year...you could have brought that up in the meeting, you chose to remain silent and bring it up 2 weeks before the show...what were you looking for, guys to follow you after dieting/ training/ spending thousands in prep for 12 weeks?
As i said Robin Chang who runs the Olympia NOT YOU EVEN THOU YOU THINK YOU DO.Was notified 6 weeks before and never got back to me.A story was done for the mags and i was asked to keep quiet till the mag came out.
A. Whatever...2 weeks, 6 weeks...whats the difference. You were still the first to sign it, send it in...despite claiming to read it, understand it.
I find it ironic that You and Vince...the 2 most fined athletes in BB history...and 2 guys that have bitched and MF'ed wayne for YEARS...are now singing his praises.
Wayne and i have had our disagrements but we talked them out.Hell we had a big argument the night before the San Fran show that i won.No big deal. Wayne is a buisness man and good for the sport.Just look where it has gone with out him.Nothing against Jim.
A. But you just said you have been outspoken for YEARS, that you "spoke out for changes that would be good for all..." etc, But it was Wayne that was in charge, Wayne calling the shots, Wayne issuing the fines/ suspentions....if Wayne was doing such a great job...WHAT WERE YOU BITCHING ABOUT?
I'm sure it was all Ben's fault...Wayne said so.
HELL YOU GOT ONE POINT RIGHT WELL DONE.
A. Thank you...
BTW...how many athletes has Manion fined/ suspended....ZERO.
Another irony...YOU'LL be the FIRST
And will gladly accept it as always.
Anymore questions? Oh i am wearing Blue Bob ;)
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Wayne and i have had our disagrements but we talked them out.Hell we had a big argument the night before the San Fran show that i won.No big deal.
You won the San Fran show?
Or are you bragging about winning an argument?
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Bob that Olympia is over.Get over it it has been explained so many times to you.I am begining to think bbers are dumb.
Only one was for pulling out off a show.Rest were for interviews and things i said.
As for the rest i answered your questions.Now answer mine MR natural.Cause going by IFBB rules you must be or you will be fined and suspended.
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We are all subject to drug testing as you know, Lee....
If I'm tested (and fail) I could be fined/ suspended as you and everyone else can as well...
I wasn't tested at the last show, were you?
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No but i admitted to it.Will you? being a man off your word and all and someone we can trust.
I smell a court case coming ............. :P
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Shit I hope when I am over there in June , they dont try and gun you down lee , because well you know , stray bullets , blood etc etc , I mean you get the picture :P ;)
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No but i admitted to it.Will you? being a man off your word and all and someone we can trust.
I smell a court case coming ............. :P
Who cares if you admit to it? You think it's a big deal to admit you use gear?
Using it isnt the issue...whether you get tested and caught, is the issue.
The point was, when you sign the dotted line, and step on the PDI staage you WILL be violating the rules and you will be suspended, without question.
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Go LEE PRIEST ;D
YOUR BLOODY AWESOME, HONOUSTY is something lee has and is something bob is lacking in.
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Who cares if you admit to it? You think it's a big deal to admit you use gear?
Using it isnt the issue...whether you get tested and caught, is the issue.
The point was, when you sign the dotted line, and step on the PDI staage you WILL be violating the rules and you will be suspended, without question.
whoa - hold the phone, Mable! You'll actually suspend Lee? I thought it was all about the athletes???
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Who cares if you admit to it? You think it's a big deal to admit you use gear?
Using it isnt the issue...whether you get tested and caught, is the issue.
The point was, when you sign the dotted line, and step on the PDI staage you WILL be violating the rules and you will be suspended, without question.
Well Bob read it clear (THE RULES) YOU TO ARE VIOLATING.They cannot suspend one athlete for one rule and look the other way for others.You know that.
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The IFBB pro division does NOT TEST, amature divisions also MOSTLY DO NOT TEST, unless a individual goes to represent his or her country at the Worlds, testing at amature level is up to the individual affiliates(countrys) to implement, and 95% test only those wishing to compete at the Worlds, regional and national levels are not subject to testing !!!!!!
Kind of ironic realy !!
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You're right...and if any other athletes compete in a non-sanctioned show...they too will be suspended indefinately. Whats good for one is good for all, Lee.
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Who cares if you admit to it? You think it's a big deal to admit you use gear?
Using it isnt the issue...whether you get tested and caught, is the issue.
The point was, when you sign the dotted line, and step on the PDI staage you WILL be violating the rules and you will be suspended, without question.
No Bob it just comes down to being honest.I always answer it honestly that and all questions asked of me.So it isn't a big deal no.But honesty in a whole is.
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Your missing the point going by their rules (THE IFBB) the majority of pros are guilty is some way or another so if i am to be suspended then others must also be.It's pretty clear cut.
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No Bob it just comes down to being honest.I always answer it honestly that and all questions asked of me.So it isn't a big deal no.But honesty in a whole is.
Great, you're a honest guy, Lee...thats why I like you.
Whats that got to do with the issues at hand?
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Lee I have to say I admire your honesty on this board. I do not understand however, why the athlete's rep is not trying to smooth things over instead of thg fighting that is going on. You have an issue, you are an athlete, and instead of treating you like an important person, it almost seems as though you are in the way. If I am misunderstanding what is happening I am sorry, I'm from Canada eh, so they think we're slow :P
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THIS SHOW HOW INMATURE AND IGNORANT LEE IS ACTING. LEE, JUST GO TO THE PDI AND BE HAPPY, WHY CAUSE ALL THIS DRAMA. YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A DRAMA QUEEN :o. WHO IS STOPING FOR GOING TO THE PDI? WHY MAKING ALL THIS NOISE? IS THAT THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BE HEARD?
OH THANK YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT FOR YOUR INPUT.I WILL FILE THT IN THE WHO GIVES A SHIT ON YOUR COMMENT SECTION :) BUT I LOVE YOU SO KEEP POSTING.
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Great, you're a honest guy, Lee...thats why I like you.
Whats that got to do with the issues at hand?
THE ISSUE IS THE RULES BOB.THEY JUST CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHO TO FINE AND SUSPEND WHEN OTHER ATHLETES ARE DOING OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE RULES.FINE I GO PDI I GET SUSPENDED THEN OTHERS FOR BREAKING THE RULES SHOULD ALSO RECIEVE THE SAME PUNISHMENT.READ THE RULES ALL OF THEM AND NOW HOW MANY PROS DO YOU KNOW WHO FIT IN SOME OF THOSE SECTIONS(MALE AND FEMALE)?
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Your missing the point going by their rules (THE IFBB) the majority of pros are guilty is some way or another so if i am to be suspended then others must also be.It's pretty clear cut.
I'll be glad to explain the difference.
Were not talking about COLLECTIVELY being in violation of a rule. Were talking about an INDIVIDUAL blatantly breaking the rules.
If were to assume that ALL IFBB pro's use gear, and it's in direct violation of thee rules...fine. They have the right to test us and suspend those in violation.
As I stated, If anyone chooses to compete elsewhere, it's a blatant infraction of the rules as they've been in place for 50 years, and suspension is imminent.
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I'll be glad to explain the difference.
Were not talking about COLLECTIVELY being in violation of a rule. Were talking about an INDIVIDUAL blatantly breaking the rules.
If were to assume that ALL IFBB pro's use gear, and it's in direct violation of thee rules...fine. They have the right to test us and suspend those in violation.
As I stated, If anyone chooses to compete elsewhere, it's a blatant infraction of the rules as they've been in place for 50 years, and suspension is imminent.
Bob there are other rules apart from the drug one.Pornographic material mmmm i see no suspension with male and female on that one.And the list goes on.
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Lee makes a good point about the porn thing. Everyone knows its gone unchecked among many of the female athletes in the IFBB for too long. For the men they just seem to be ignored on stage rather than officially supended - now that is drama
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THE ISSUE IS THE RULES BOB.THEY JUST CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHO TO FINE AND SUSPEND WHEN OTHER ATHLETES ARE DOING OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE RULES.FINE I GO PDI I GET SUSPENDED THEN OTHERS FOR BREAKING THE RULES SHOULD ALSO RECIEVE THE SAME PUNISHMENT.READ THE RULES ALL OF THEM AND NOW HOW MANY PROS DO YOU KNOW WHO FIT IN SOME OF THOSE SECTIONS(MALE AND FEMALE)?
ALL of the athletes are COLLECTIVELY breaking SOME rule that is written. Whats the IFBB going to do? Suspend everyone?
Do I agree with some of these rules....NO. As you know, these are some of the changes I've been trying to initiate...I think they're bullshit as much as you do.
There are rules which they CHOOSE to enforce, however, and competing for rival federation is one of them.
ENFORCE is the key word here. There are plenty of rules all around us everyday, that everone breaks... Jaywalking is a offense and technically, you can issued a ticket for it....do they enforce it even though it's a LAW? Obviously not since they would be writing tickets to just about everyone in the state.
THATS the difference.
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I THINK LEE PRIEST IS ABOUT TO COME THE MOST HATER PERSON AMONG THE IFBB ATHLETES!!! LEE, YOU ARE A DRAMA QUEEN. QUIT CRYING, GO TO THE PDI AND BE HAPPY.
This post is an example of why there should be a minimum I.Q. (at least room temperature) to post at GetBig.
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Lee will be ranked #1 in the PDI.. Who will beat him?
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I don't know but to my knowledge Lee is the only pro on here who has at least admitted to using gear. Many pros will not admit to that, nor their involvement in porn, or any other violation. Lee's practically daring to get tested, so what is the big deal? I'd love to hear some more honesty out of other pros in much the same way.
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ALL of the athletes are COLLECTIVELY breaking SOME rule that is written. Whats the IFBB going to do? Suspend everyone?
Do I agree with some of these rules....NO. As you know, these are some of the changes I've been trying to initiate...I think they're bullshit as much as you do.
There are rules which they CHOOSE to enforce, however, and competing for rival federation is one of them.
ENFORCE is the key word here. There are plenty of rules all around us everyday, that everone breaks... Jaywalking is a offense and technically, you can issued a ticket for it....do they enforce it even though it's a LAW? Obviously not since they would be writing tickets to just about everyone in the state.
THATS the difference.
I understand all that Bob.But don't you think if i was to be suspended a good lawyer would take them to court and ask why others have not been.You could just bring in pornographic photos of IFBB athletes and ask what was done to these ifbb pro card carrying pros?
.And the list would only go on.
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HRDCOR WILL BEAT LEE ;D
And if he does great.We are great friends and roomates so the trophy will be coming home anyway
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I don't know but to my knowledge Lee is the only pro on here who has at least admitted to using gear. Many pros will not admit to that, nor their involvement in porn, or any other violation. Lee's practically daring to get tested, so what is the big deal? I'd love to hear some more honesty out of other pros in much the same way.
the problem with all pros coming "clean" would be the exposure of the sport - we don't need to wave signs that our athletes use - otherwise the gov will shut us down permanent-like. not everyone can be a Lee Priest
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Bob this is a serious question. What would be the harm in athletes competing in both? i realize it is against the rules but would amending the rules hurt anything?
No harm to the athlete...in a perfect world we would all be able to compete where we wish, etc.
But when you sign the contract to be a part of the IFBB, you sign away your rights to compete in other federations...it's called exclusivity and it's very common in sports and business.
I have an exclusive contract with BB.com that prohibits me from signing with similiar companies. Granted, I'm compensated for that...but it's along the title of "job".
As a sport, the IFBB isn't compensating anyone, but allows it's "members" to compete in their organization and sanctioned shows. If you ndon't like it...no one has a gun to your head to join the iFBB...you can seek other opportunities all you wish, but you can't do both.
It's no different than joining an exclusive golf club...there are rules that must be followed if you want to be a member...you pay to be a member, you don't get paid by the club, and there are times you can golf and times you cant.
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No harm to the athlete...in a perfect world we would all be able to compete where we wish, etc.
But when you sign the contract to be a part of the IFBB, you sign away your rights to compete in other federations...it's called exclusivity and it's very common in sports and business.
I have an exclusive contract with BB.com that prohibits me from signing with similiar companies. Granted, I'm compensated for that...but it's along the title of "job".
As a sport, the IFBB isn't compensating anyone, but allows it's "members" to compete in their organization and sanctioned shows. If you ndon't like it...no one has a gun to your head to join the iFBB...you can seek other opportunities all you wish, but you can't do both.
It's no different than joining an exclusive golf club...there are rules that must be followed if you want to be a member...you pay to be a member, you don't get paid by the club, and there are times you can golf and times you cant.
Yeah but you can also go and play at other clubs.
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I KNOW, quit with the drama queen crusade already if you would have been on here longer you'd know where Lee is coming from
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ALL of the athletes are COLLECTIVELY breaking SOME rule that is written. Whats the IFBB going to do? Suspend everyone?
Bob, this logic seems to work well for you when you're trying to suspend Lee.
Why not use it to get some better benefits and prize money for the athletes? Suppose you were to get EVERY athlete to refuse to compete until prize monies are raised? In your own words, "Whats the IFBB going to do? Suspend everyone?"
Of course, it sounds like you're just using the IFBB rulebook when it benefits the IFBB. Not the athletes.
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THAT WHAT YOU SAY NOW!!! YOU WILL BE CRYING LIKE A DRAMA QUEEN ;D
ROOMMATES ???
Yeah i will cry in happiness for him.We have been friends for over 16 years so try harder and keep digging for crap.
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I understand all that Bob.But don't you think if i was to be suspended a good lawyer would take them to court and ask why others have not been.You could just bring in pornographic photos of IFBB athletes and ask what was done to these ifbb pro card carrying pros?
.And the list would only go on.
I happen to have a background in law...and no, a good lawyer would not use that as the suspentions of others would be irrelevant to YOUR case. They would look to see if any other athletes that joined the PDI were allowed to still compete in the IFBB, where you were singled out for the same violation.
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It's almost like marriage.. you can't screw other women..
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Yeah but you can also go and play at other clubs.
Yes you can, as the contract you sign at the club does not preclude you from doing so...YOUR contract does.
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Chick, I don't always agree with 240, but it looks like this to me too.
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Bob, explain why you're not working to change the rule stopping IFBB guys from doing PDI shows.
That would help the athletes- that would bring more money to them.
You're working to keep the money with the IFBB.
If you want to be the IFBB Rep, that's fine. But you need to quit calling youself the Athletes Rep. You're not representing their best interests
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HRDCOR WILL BEAT LEE
Coooooooooolll then after my NOC win , i will then gun down bob at the masters as he tries to defend his title , oh no I cant as i will be suspended, shit a dilemma , i am not good with dilemmas :(
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Bob-
Would you support a movement by the athletes to STRIKE ALL IFBB SHOWS until the IFBB allows athletes to compete in the PDI also?
In your own words, if ALL athletes do it, there is nothing the IFBB can do to stop it.
What do you say, Bob?
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I'm explaining what the rules are. I didn't make them up...nor do I agree with them all.
I have also submitted items for consideration that would change these rules for the betterment of the athletes. Arguing here on the boards is nice and all, but ultimately doesn't get anything accomplished.
Submitting for change does.
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I happen to have a background in law...and no, a good lawyer would not use that as the suspentions of others would be irrelevant to YOUR case. They would look to see if any other athletes that joined the PDI were allowed to still compete in the IFBB, where you were singled out for the same violation.
Well then it just goes to show what the Rules are worth.The IFBB knows right now who is breaking the rules in all cases and yet none is fined or suspended.So i guess i am singled out.Is that right.I thought i saw Denise Masino competing latley and i know the IFBB has seen her photos and videos.That is one example.
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I'm explaining what the rules are. I didn't make them up...nor do I agree with them all.
I have also submitted items for consideration that would change these rules for the betterment of the athletes. Arguing here on the boards is nice and all, but ultimately doesnt get anything accomplished.
Submitting for change does.
Come on, Bob. You can submit all year, but we all know the IFBB will not let the pros do the IFBB shows unless they HAVE to. And the only way to allow that is to pull all athletes from competing until an agreement is made.
Call Manion tomorrow. Tell him to cancel the Colorado and NY. Watch them scramble and change the rules.
Bob, you're a divider, not a uniter. You're quoting company rules to ban lee, and you're not working to allow athletes to compete in both divisions
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I'm explaining what the rules are. I didn't make them up...nor do I agree with them all.
I have also submitted items for consideration that would change these rules for the betterment of the athletes. Arguing here on the boards is nice and all, but ultimately doesn't get anything accomplished.
Submitting for change does.
Yeah but it passes the time there is crap on tv tonight :)
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Well then it just goes to show what the Rules are worth.The IFBB knows right now who is breaking the rules in all cases and yet none is fined or suspended.So i guess i am singled out.Is that right.I thought i saw Denise Masino competing latley and i know the IFBB has seen her photos and videos.That is one example.
And I know Betty has put together language to enfore that rule as it directly affects the womens side of things...not my fight.
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Bob Chick is the IFBB's puppet.
He is a poor Athletes Rep and should be replaced.
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He is an IFBB puppet.
Well Bob did say he was going to ignore you. I guess he meant it.
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I know the women ain't your fight but it's in the IFBB rules.Nothing i see done there when they know it is happening and have seen it every month.That is a violation and yet goes unpunished
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Yeah but it passes the time there is crap on tv tonight
You could go watch some porn , Ohhhh no then you would be really up for suspension and probably a fine , better of just staying here !!
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and in that we agree, my friend...
If that rule were enforced long ago, the FBBers would most likely be seen in a better light...
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Am I helping here in any way ;D ::)
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Am I helping here in any way ;D ::)
Yes Marc you are.Well i am off to bed please continue give me something to read tomorrow.
Nite Bob boy, nite Marc boy
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Nite Lee, nite marc...
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Am I helping here in any way ;D ::)
haha Marc your are as usefull in this thread as a fridge for the eskimos ;D
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Athletes: We, the athletes, realizing that our conduct reflects on the good name of the
sport, and realizing the responsibility thereby placed upon us, pledge ourselves:
14. to conduct ourselves at all times in a manner that reflects positively upon the image of
the sport and the IFBB.
Bob that Olympia is over.Get over it it has been explained so many times to you.I am begining to think bbers are dumb.
Only one was for pulling out off a show.Rest were for interviews and things i said.
As for the rest i answered your questions.Now answer mine MR natural.Cause going by IFBB rules you must be or you will be fined and suspended.
Bob Chick uses drugs? Holy Crap!
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Nite Lee, nite marc...
good decision to stop answering 240 ;D
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Nite lee boy , oh dont forget to let larnce out and dont let kitty out ,she is a slut and just goes off looking for cat dic !!! sleep well you trouble maker ;D
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Believe me the IFBB would not want Lee to take them to court. Whether Lee wins or not is not the question it is going to expose the IFBB and the way they operate that is going to kill them. They are an organization who promotes the MAJOR use of steroids. I would love to see Weiders and Manion in court explaining their shit.
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Nite big Chicy wicky ---- sleep well with your teddy and may the boggy monster under your bed stay under your bed , and make sure you are all snuggly wuggly so you don't get cold , oh and have you been to the toilet and cleaned your teeth ??? you have OK , good boy , nite nite !! :)
(can you tell i have kids ?)
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Believe me the IFBB would not want Lee to take them to court. Whether Lee wins or not is not the question it is going to expose the IFBB and the way they operate that is going to kill them. They are an organization who promotes the MAJOR use of steroids. I would love to see Weiders and Manion in court explaining their shit.
What would they have to explain, Keith? The rules which prohibit the use of AAS? Just how would that be portrayed as "promoting the use of..."?
I guess EVERY sport would be in the same position as almost ALL athletes at the pro level use some sort of PE Drugs...
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What would they have to explain, Keith? The rules which prohibit the use of AAS? Just how would that be portrayed as "promoting the use of..."?
I guess EVERY sport would be in the same position as almost ALL athletes at the pro level use some sort of PE Drugs...
I would have to say they would need to expalin why a rule that has been around for many years has never or rarely been enforced. And you right about every sport using roids and now Congress is getting down on them. The way the IFBB "promotes" the use of roids is the way the guys look nowadays and how the winners look. Richard Jones is awesome. As much as I hate to say this and I am wrinkling my face as I type, Sahwn was awesome looking. But no way would they beat the big huge guys. No matter what the bigger the better placing. Unless they just look like crap. The big problem is BB is so up front and evident on the use of roids. 100% of every pro uses them. If they drug tested (real drug testing Olympic style or hair or whatever is the best) every pro prior to the show how many competitors would there be. The reason why the IFBB does not do this is because they would have no comeptitors and no shows. They realize their success is based allot of the use of roids by their members. So no way could they uphold this rule. But, they probably had to include it. Baseball, football, golf, tennis and others can't say this.
Either way suspending Lee butnot others for breaking the rules is not right.
WHo knows what I just said I am watching TV, eating and listening to my daughter talk all at the same time I am typing so hopefully you can decifer what I wrote. Like I said Bob I don't want to argue with you or whateve. I like you but just don't like where your loyalty is.
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Theres no question where my loyalties are. Any of the athletes know this, thats why you hear no complaints from them.
When we talk about people putting their ass on the line...I'm at the front of it. I'm the one who tried organizing a union for the athletes, I put MY ass, MY career on the line for the greator good. This came at a time where I just placed runnner up in 2 shows, and made an Olympia appearance, and signed by GNC...It's not like I had nothing to lose.
People can talk the talk all they want, I walk the walk. I fight the establishment everytime I sit down to the table and submit changes...all that benefit the athletes, put more money in their pockets, and try and give some much needed exposure to bring this sport where it should be.
The items I submit are in the best interests of BOTH the IFBB and the athletes...a win/ win for the company and it's workers. Thats called making progress, and TCOB.
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Anti-trust laws are very trick and we all know baseball had to get an act of congress to allow how they treated their players. Noticed it was quickly floored by the congess during the baseball drug (roid) hearing as a hummer congress was prepared to use.
I don't think Ben and Joe at there age really want to get involved in that type of situation. My feeling is they would not make the case any easier. Lee could really open up a hugh kettle od fish here.
The US governement is on an anti-roid abuse by pro sports roll, I just hope all current pros IFBB and PDI can get this issue solved on the QT and save a hugh shit storm.
Bob, sports contract law is not as plan and simple as business contract law. Hope my post made some sense. I'm 5 weeks out from a contest and too old (42) for this shit LOL.
Nite all
Hope cooler heads in the AM can move the pros together to solve these issues.
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The items I submit are in the best interests of BOTH the IFBB and the athletes...a win/ win for the company and it's workers. Thats called making progress, and TCOB.
No, that cannot be, Bob. Every consideration you make for the IFBB hurts the athletes. You cannot logically argue that allowing athletes to compete in BOTh the IFBB and PDI is bad for the athletes.
You can't be everyone's friend, Bob. The sooner you learn that, the sooner you'll start making some REAL progress.
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Bob this is a serious question. What would be the harm in athletes competing in both? i realize it is against the rules but would amending the rules hurt anything?
The harm in it is that it will give the PDI an existence and an affirmation, and that is something that the IFBB doesnt want. Why help someone who is essentially your competition. Doesnt matter what federation or group it is - the same applies. That is just like asking why can't the NFL players play in the CFL, or Arena League, or so on. Because they can't.
Bob, this logic seems to work well for you when you're trying to suspend Lee.
I think you guys must realize that Bob is not going to suspend Lee or anyone else if they violate one of the most sacred rules - the IFBB will.
Why not use it to get some better benefits and prize money for the athletes? Bob, explain why you're not working to change the rule stopping IFBB guys from doing PDI shows. You're working to keep the money with the IFBB. f you want to be the IFBB Rep, that's fine. But you need to quit calling youself the Athletes Rep. You're not representing their best interests
Well - here you go. Bob is the IFBB Athlete's Rep. He isn't the PDI's Athletes Rep, or NABBA's Athlete Rep. Other federations can appoint their own. And he is doing his best, working on whatever he can to get better benefits and prize money for the IFBB Athletes, in the group he is in. It is that simple.
If you have ever been to college and joined a fraternity, you know that you can join another fraternity while you are in it. You can go to their parties, you can go to their events, but you cannot compete on their basketball teams, intermural teams, or be part of their organization. And if fraternity #1 offers a prize if you win, fraternity #2 member just can't compete and get it. You can even go to another university and join the same fraternity, but not another one. So simple - same analogy.
People can talk the talk all they want, I walk the walk. I fight the establishment everytime I sit down to the table and submit changes...all that benefit the athletes, put more money in their pockets, and try and give some much needed exposure to bring this sport where it should be.
This is true. Bob has organized meetings, provided literature to benefit IFBB athletes, and tried many things. Athletes want to want to be helped.
No, that cannot be, Bob. Every consideration you make for the IFBB hurts the athletes. You cannot logically argue that allowing athletes to compete in BOTh the IFBB and PDI is bad for the athletes.
Hey, if the athlete could have it their way, they would compete in any organization that offers prize money. But alas, like many sport, organizations, and clubs, that doesn't work that way. No one is telling these athletes where to go. The PDI can exist, as other organizations do. But people need to choose which one they want to compete in. And wish them the best.
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All true Ron...the voice of reason as usual.
Funny thing is...I'm not so sure that people aren't looking at the bigger picture here.
Is another federation REALLY in the athletes best interest?
Lets consider the fact that there are lass than 30 "names" when you look at the "best of the best"...The tier 1 guys as people like to put it. Much like when we (the NPC) decided to create a SHW class...within a few years, it watered down the heavyweight division, which in turn, made for two mediocre classes as opposed to one strong one....and the depth of the competition has suffered since.
Lets assume for the sake of conversation, that The PDI actually comes to be...and that 1/2 of the top guys decide to compete there...equally divided among talent...Jay in one, Ronnie in another..etc, etc.
Given the fact that IFBB shows don't always pack the house, and the lower purse shows either barely make it, or get nixed....is there enough market to sustain BOTH?
Fans have dictated by their response, that they will suppport the bigger shows with the bigger names competing...they'll pay to see the best there is. What they won't do, is pay to see 1 or 2 great bodybuilders and a bunch of guys that are pretty good, and some they've never heard of.
McMahon thought the world could use another football league, too...had some funky new rules...some jazzy uniforms and cool names for the teams...and some damn good players, not the BEST, but very good by any standards. Same premise...same results. The fans showed little interest and it tanked in record time. Keep in mind, this was done with MILLIONS invested, TV time/ exposure.
The questions remain...are there enough fans out there to support 2 federations?
If there were 2 mediocre federations, would the athletes make MORE money, or quite possibly LESS?
The 25-30 best bodybuilders in the world can only compete in so many shows per year...if they were allowed to compete in both equally, would they compete more often? Could they financially or physically?
Heres some things I have to consider as the Athletes Representative...is it REALLY in the athletes best interests? I have to dig deep and consider ALL relevant issues...not just scratch the surface.
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Chick,
it's good you speak honestly here. however, in ANY industry throughout history- business or sporting- a monopoly invites corruption, fixing, favortism, and a lack of options for employees.
Look at ANY firm that has no competition. How efficient is your local tax/license bureau? How many hours do you spend at the DMV?
Then, you realize if there was competition- a private firm next door with better seats and faster service, the original firm would have to work to provide a higher level of service- or it would close.
It's like that here, too. Ronnie and Dorian have both had gift wins. In an open market, competing firms would offer fans a viable option- an unpredictable outcome- which many prefer.
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I see the IFBB as Wal-Mart. They keep 95% of their employees just above poverty level, earning 8 and change an hour.
WalMart, due to their relationship with customers (lowest prices) and suppliers (efficient shipping systems in place), will not be beaten. Just like the IFBB will not.
But- a specialy grocer can move in next door to WalMart and sell different foods, and deliver better customer service.
Suddenly customers (fans) have more options. Employees can work at either place, which keeps wages competitive. And owners have to ensure they keep delivering both the employees and customers a high level of service to keep em coming back.
you will not find ONE example in history where a MONOPOLY was better for employees, or customers. (Fans or athletes here). Only the owners.
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And, to answer your quesiton of 25-30 athletes-
Professionals who deliver a rare and exclusive service typically unionize to ensure they receive consistent pay, treatment, benefits, and to ensure there isn't undercutting and scabbing.
Musicians have a standard hourly rate. Screen actors Guild, I'm sure you're familiar with. Psychologists and other educated pros do this also.
This would be comparable to the IFBB giving all athletes a guaranteed check for competing, guaranteeing judge rotation, or something along those lines to ensure things are fair. Or even neutral judges, who don't own gyms or supp companies.
Point is, in the absence of dueling firms, professionals typically unite to ensure a standard of work quality among all of them.
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I see the IFBB as Wal-Mart. They keep 95% of their employees just above poverty level, earning 8 and change an hour. WalMart, due to their relationship with customers (lowest prices) and suppliers (efficient shipping systems in place), will not be beaten. Just like the IFBB will not. But- a specialy grocer can move in next door to WalMart and sell different foods, and deliver better customer service. Suddenly customers (fans) have more options. Employees can work at either place, which keeps wages competitive. And owners have to ensure they keep delivering both the employees and customers a high level of service to keep em coming back. you will not find ONE example in history where an example was better for employees, or customers. (Fans or athletes here). Only the owners.
Using your analogy, as a bodybuilding fan (customer), I can go to Wal-Mart, Target, or whatever. That is the fans (customers) choice. No arguement there. They are not with Wal-Mart or Target. Now the employees have a different choice. They can either work full time at Wal-Mart or at Target, or any other store they want. But they can't do both. You only have 40-50 hours a week of work, logically. They need to choose. And I can guarantee you that if they work 40 hours at Wal-Mart, Target won't hire them.
But this isnt a store. If is a federation - you don't have to join. You choose to join in the beginning of each year. You can choose to join somewhere else. But if you want to join one or the other, you agree to their rules. PLain and simple again.
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Using your analogy, as a bodybuilding fan (customer), I can go to Wal-Mart, Target, or whatever. That is the fans (customers) choice. No arguement there. They are not with Wal-Mart or Target. Now the employees have a different choice. They can either work full time at Wal-Mart or at Target, or any other store they want. But they can't do both. You only have 40-50 hours a week of work, logically. They need to choose. And I can guarantee you that if they work 40 hours at Wal-Mart, Target won't hire them.
But this isnt a store. If is a federation - you don't have to join. You choose to join in the beginning of each year. You can choose to join somewhere else. But if you want to join one or the other, you agree to their rules. PLain and simple again.
I agree that is fair. And most stores won't let you work for their competitors. That is very common.
It would be unfair of the Union rep- the guy who works hard for the rights of all the stockboys at walmart- to work to keep Target from moving in next door. he would never tell his stockboys not to work at Target. Instead, he would go to walmart mgmt and demand higher pay for the stockboys to compete with target. And since the IFBB (WMT mgmt) has been slow to listen to these changes over the years, it would be the Rep's job to encourage all of them to go where the money is!
Bob shouldn't be saying anything that would discourage IFBB athletes from earning money. three or four new federations would be even better! Competition keeps people sharp! IFBB would suddenly have to choose- improve shows and prize money, or keep greater share of profits.
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the rule stopping IFBB guys from doing PDI shows.
Let's assume that the rule was removed and that any athlete could compete in any show. Would the IFBB or the PDI still charge sanction fees to the promoters? At the moment, the only way a promoter can get access to IFBB athletes is to pay them a $10K sanction fee, so love them or hate them, a promoter is getting something for his money.
The PDI are allowing their athletes to compete in any federation but are still imposing a $10K sanction fee, so what does the promoter get for that? I've considered the judges, but if all the federation or organisations were open, then a promoter could use any of them. Would the fans or sponsors be less interested in a show that had no affliliation to any federation?
Personally I think a "closed shop" run correctly is the the best appproach. I haven't included NABBA in this because I don't know their rules or sanction fees.
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I agree that is fair. And most stores won't let you work for their competitors. That is very common.
Excellent. Agreement on that the athletes have to choose which one they want to be in. Amazing what discussion can come with.
It would be unfair of the Union rep- the guy who works hard for the rights of all the stockboys at walmart- to work to keep Target from moving in next door. he would never tell his stockboys not to work at Target.
Now - this union rep (although most WalMarts dont have unions, but for the sake of arguement) would most likely work for WalMart, and all of the stockboys in the country. He wishes well for Target, but it should be his concern that if some of the stockboys go over to a store that hasnt had its grand opening yet, and may only be open a few times a year, they should understand that.
He can wish Target the best, when they open up, with whatever stockboys that chose to get there. But the stockboys understand that Wal-Mart retains the right not to hire them back if it doesnt work out either, or if they don't get to work 40 hours a week, just only 10 hours a week.
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I see the IFBB as Wal-Mart. They keep 95% of their employees just above poverty level, earning 8 and change an hour.
WalMart, due to their relationship with customers (lowest prices) and suppliers (efficient shipping systems in place), will not be beaten. Just like the IFBB will not.
But- a specialy grocer can move in next door to WalMart and sell different foods, and deliver better customer service.
Suddenly customers (fans) have more options. Employees can work at either place, which keeps wages competitive. And owners have to ensure they keep delivering both the employees and customers a high level of service to keep em coming back.
you will not find ONE example in history where a MONOPOLY was better for employees, or customers. (Fans or athletes here). Only the owners.
You will not find ONE example in history where a MONOPOLY was better for employees, or customers.... yes you will, Standard Oil.
Standard Oil was founded in the 1800's and provided oil for much of America. They eventually controlled most of the market and ran smaller oil providers out of business because they were able to keep costs and prices low. Eventually, an Antitrust Act was required to break up the company, but they kept prices low while in operation.
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And looking more at the Union rep for the stockboys- (Bob Chick's role)
He would be INVITING Target to move in next door to walmart. He would KNOW that a big store moving in next door could ONLY be good for the stockboys.
People are always going to need food. So we can assume that at least one of the stores will survive. So we know there will always be work for the stockboys. (just like there will always be Bbing fans who like to attend shows)
Stores will give employees just as much pay as they HAVE to. That's simple enough. When Target moves in, Target is going to pay a buck more than WMT, to attract walmart's best stockers. Walmart will have to raise its wages to KEEP its employees. Who wins? Workers! (Pro BBers!) Who gets hurt a little financially? Walmart and Target (but they're rich enough to take the hit).
We on getbig, Bob, The Athletes, NONE of us are crying for the IFBB's position. At least, we shouldn't be. They make more $ than all the athletes combined. So let's see what can be done to get Target next door, and KMart on the next block! Now, WMT has to pay $2 more per hour to keep their crew! They get raises to stay, or they get new opportunities and a raise to move on! What a great deal for the stockers (BBers!)
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Personally I think a "closed shop" run correctly is the the best appproach.
COrrect- BUT it's not being run correctly and no change seems to be coming. Most of the guys in this multi-million dollar industry are living on the edge of the law and check to check. They are not being rewarded for their sacrifices.
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you will not find ONE example in history where a MONOPOLY was better for employees, or customers....yes you will, Standard Oil.
People complain about gas prices going up but when starbucks goes up 20 cents no one cares. :o
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He would be INVITING Target to move in next door to walmart. He would KNOW that a big store moving in next door could ONLY be good for the stockboys.
I think that Bob has already said that the PDI is fine and he is ok with that. The athletes just have to choose.
People are always going to need food. So we can assume that at least one of the stores will survive. So we know there will always be work for the stockboys. (just like there will always be Bbing fans who like to attend shows)
There will always be work for the stockboys. But new stockboys always come up, and why should Wal-Mart bring back stockboys that didnt want to play by Wal-Marts guidelines when they are many stockboys that are.
Stores will give employees just as much pay as they HAVE to. That's simple enough. When Target moves in, Target is going to pay a buck more than WMT, to attract walmart's best stockers. Walmart will have to raise its wages to KEEP its employees. Who wins? Workers! (Pro BBers!) Who gets hurt a little financially? Walmart and Target (but they're rich enough to take the hit).
Again - it is the stockboys choice to go where they want. There is no arguement here from anyone in the IFBB. But they need to decide. They can’t do both. I thought we already agreed on this.
We on getbig, Bob, The Athletes, NONE of us are crying for the IFBB's position. At least, we shouldn't be. They make more $ than all the athletes combined. So let's see what can be done to get Target next door, and KMart on the next block! Now, WMT has to pay $2 more per hour to keep their crew! They get raises to stay, or they get new opportunities and a raise to move on! What a great deal for the stockers (BBers!)
Target (PDI), if what Wayne says, will be built next door. Perhaps KMart (another federation) on the next bloock. If Target can give the stockboys more money - great. But again, the stockboys have to choose.
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you will not find ONE example in history where a MONOPOLY was better for employees, or customers....yes you will, Standard Oil.
I disagree.
Standard Oil was able to dictate terms for both employees and customers, making them all-powerful and unaccountable. They couldn't be stopped.
Standard Oil cut pay and raised prixes once they crushed the competitors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil
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WalMart hates unions and encourages you NOT to join them when you're hired. I worked there for 3 years during college. It bordered on propaganda in the breakroom and near the timeclock. Socially unacceptable to join.
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I disagree.
Standard Oil was able to dictate terms for both employees and customers, making them all-powerful and unaccountable. They couldn't be stopped.
Standard Oil cut pay and raised prixes once they crushed the competitors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil
The problem with that assessment is that they still offered lower prices than the competition. If they didn't, others could come in and take market share.
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Were forgetting one thing here boys...
supply and demand...the very foundation of business.
When there aren't enough customers (fans) to support Wal-mart and Target...guess what happens to the stock boys...they get LAID OFF.
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The harm in it is that it will give the PDI an existence and an affirmation, and that is something that the IFBB doesnt want. Why help someone who is essentially your competition. Doesnt matter what federation or group it is - the same applies. That is just like asking why can't the NFL players play in the CFL, or Arena League, or so on. Because they can't.
I think you guys must realize that Bob is not going to suspend Lee or anyone else if they violate one of the most sacred rules - the IFBB will.
Well - here you go. Bob is the IFBB Athlete's Rep. He isn't the PDI's Athletes Rep, or NABBA's Athlete Rep. Other federations can appoint their own. And he is doing his best, working on whatever he can to get better benefits and prize money for the IFBB Athletes, in the group he is in. It is that simple.
If you have ever been to college and joined a fraternity, you know that you can join another fraternity while you are in it. You can go to their parties, you can go to their events, but you cannot compete on their basketball teams, intermural teams, or be part of their organization. And if fraternity #1 offers a prize if you win, fraternity #2 member just can't compete and get it. You can even go to another university and join the same fraternity, but not another one. So simple - same analogy.
This is true. Bob has organized meetings, provided literature to benefit IFBB athletes, and tried many things. Athletes want to want to be helped.
Hey, if the athlete could have it their way, they would compete in any organization that offers prize money. But alas, like many sport, organizations, and clubs, that doesn't work that way. No one is telling these athletes where to go. The PDI can exist, as other organizations do. But people need to choose which one they want to compete in. And wish them the best.
But the NFL and others pay their athletes. No are not telling them where to go, but they are being told where NOT to go. I do not see the rational in having an organization telling people that pay them money yet give nothing back how to run their lives. In reality, does the IFBB pay anything to any of the pros. They are under a contract that is so one-sided. Other than sanction events for the pros to compete in does the IFBB do anything for the pros. I'd like to know. Just an honest question
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Ok - focus guy. We are not talking about Wal-Mart, Standard Oil, or Target, or stockboys. These were examples to relate to bodybuilding and athletes.
But the NFL and others pay their athletes. No are not telling them where to go, but they are being told where NOT to go.
An NFL player cannot play in Arena Football, or CFL, or European League, etc. Simple as that. The NFL does not pay the athletes. The teams pay them. And the teams can cut you real quick if you are not good enough either. But bodybuilding is different - you compete for money - it isn't a team sport. Try something with an individual sport to compare.
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I agree it's the stockboy's choice, and this IFBB/PDI battle is free market capitalism at it's finest- I LOVE IT!
And if the PDI wins and IFBB closes, you'd better believe I'd be hyping Manion's next project to take on the PDI! :) Competition is good for everyone except the owners, and keeps em honest.
However, when an athlete tries to appear neutral- and say he represents the interest of stockboys, and NOT Walmart- but then publicly disses Target and makes long speeches about how 'Maybe Target isn't in the best interest of WMT Stockboys!" he is not doing his job ethically.
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But the NFL and others pay their athletes. No are not telling them where to go, but they are being told where NOT to go. I do not see the rational in having an organization telling people that pay them money yet give nothing back how to run their lives. In reality, does the IFBB pay anything to any of the pros. They are under a contract that is so one-sided. Other than sanction events for the pros to compete in does the IFBB do anything for the pros. I'd like to know. Just an honest question
The IFBB should do more I agree. Sanctioning these events is just not enough. When these promoters pay the fees, where does that money go?
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I agree it's the stockboy's choice, and this IFBB/PDI battle is free market capitalism at it's finest- I LOVE IT!
And if the PDI wins and IFBB closes, you'd better believe I'd be hyping Manion's next project to take on the PDI! :) Competition is good for everyone except the owners, and keeps em honest.
However, when an athlete tries to appear neutral- and say he represents the interest of stockboys, and NOT Walmart- but then publicly disses Target and makes long speeches about how 'Maybe Target isn't in the best interest of WMT Stockboys!" he is not doing his job ethically.
I see what you are saying, but it's also not ethical to act against the interests of your own company if they employ you. It's really a lose/lose situation at times.
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Also, you guys are comparing companies and major sports to the IFBB. In everyone of your comparisons the person or member gets something back. Whether its insurance, profit-sharing as in Walmart, Christman funds etc. The IFBB gives their members NOTHING. If I am wrong here and the IFBB does give the pros something I am not aware of please tell me and I will be sorry for saying this.
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The problem with that assessment is that they still offered lower prices than the competition. If they didn't, others could come in and take market share.
No- they blackmailed suppliers and supply systems and threatened to drop them if they worked with any other companies. Competitors were dry and paralyzed.
Were forgetting one thing here boys...
supply and demand...the very foundation of business.
When there aren't enough customers (fans) to support Wal-mart and Target...guess what happens to the stock boys...they get LAID OFF.
I disagree. During times of recession, required consumer goods like food do not go down much. Only elective purchases like jewelry and high end electronics take a big hit. Ppl need to eat.
And lucky for all of us- the BBing industry is never going to run out of kids who want muscles and ppl who enjoy BBing shows. Strength & muscle shows were big decades before the web, and will continue to be.
So the demand is there! But the prob is that the IFBB is strangling the SUPPLY! No variety where aesthetics beat guts. No unpredictablility- we allk now Ronnie always wins! No high-quailty shows where IFBB really pulls out all the stops. The quality of the product is poor.
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Were forgetting one thing here boys...
supply and demand...the very foundation of business.
When there aren't enough customers (fans) to support Wal-mart and Target...guess what happens to the stock boys...they get LAID OFF.
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No- they blackmailed suppliers and supply systems and threatened to drop them if they worked with any other companies. Competitors were dry and paralyzed.
I disagree. During times of recession, required consumer goods like food do not go down much. Only elective purchases like jewelry and high end electronics take a big hit. Ppl need to eat.
And lucky for all of us- the BBing industry is never going to run out of kids who want muscles and ppl who enjoy BBing shows. Strength & muscle shows were big decades before the web, and will continue to be.
So the demand is there! But the prob is that the IFBB is strangling the SUPPLY! No variety where aesthetics beat guts. No unpredictablility- we allk now Ronnie always wins! No high-quailty shows where IFBB really pulls out all the stops. The quality of the product is poor.
But they still offered lower prices than their former competitors did, which was my point in the first place.
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I see what you are saying, but it's also not ethical to act against the interests of your own company if they employ you. It's really a lose/lose situation at times.
Ahhh - that is the BEAUTY of the Rep position- he doesn't work for Walmart. he works for the independent body of stockboys. WMT has no influence on him, and won't even let him on the property! WMT tells employees to stay away from him! "He will limit your opportunities!" they say.
Bob is either the Pro BBing rep, or the IFBB liason. There is the biggest problem. His position is unclear and we need it clarified.
There is no such thing as Walmart employee's rep- he is a walmart HR employee. A man who works ONLY for the athletes is not influenced by walmart, and would lose his job in a minute for playing golf with the Waltons.
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I see what you are saying, but it's also not ethical to act against the interests of your own company if they employ you. It's really a lose/lose situation at times.
If there is a better opportunity, why not take it? My opinion is that the PDI is just a concept of what the IFBB should be. If the IFBB wakes up, the PDI is gone. The IFBB has so many tools to help generate more money around it, but it seems like no one is working on that. All it does is collect money from athletes and promoters. In the NFL, they don't take money from the players in order to be called an NFL Player, they talk to incoming players about generating income, managing money, how to deal with the media/fans, about being investive and even entreprenual. They have a prerequisite on incoming players to have at least 2 years of college completed.
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The IFBB gives their members NOTHING. If I am wrong here and the IFBB does give the pros something I am not aware of please tell me and I will be sorry for saying this.
OK - well - the IFBB, being the dominant bodybuilding organization and through its promoters, gives the athletes a place and venues to compete in order to win prize monies. With that, the IFBB also gives us the place to have expos related to bodybuilding and supplements, and in turn, provides many people with jobs, and the means to advertise a product, which brings in revenue, which lets the supplement companies or another other type of related company offer a contract to the athlete. Being in the IFBB increases the value for these athletes, and perhaps can (but not always) open the doors for more endorsements, prize money, guest posing, and a bigger fan base. The IFBB does not give back in monetary means, but just being at an IFBB show provides many people with a sense of focus, a means to make money, etc.
Now, I am not using other federations don't do the same thing, or the PDI won't, but at the moment, that is an answer to your question.
No- they blackmailed suppliers and supply systems and threatened to drop them if they worked with any other companies. Competitors were dry and paralyzed.
No - they didnt. They said that if you want your product in their stores, then they need to be guaranteed the lowest price available, and first basis of the product availabilty. It is your choice whether or not you want to be in Wal-Mart. They don't blackmail anyone. As a supplier, you choose what where you want to be.
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OK - well - the IFBB, being the dominant bodybuilding organization and through its promoters, gives the athletes a place and venues to compete in order to win prize monies. With that, the IFBB also gives us the place to have expos related to bodybuilding and supplements, and in turn, provides many people with jobs, and the means to advertise a product, which brings in revenue, which lets the supplement companies or another other type of related company offer a contract to the athlete.
Doesn't the promoter provide that? The promoters provide pretty much the venue and cooridinate all events circling the contest, including the expo. Also including promotions locally.
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An NFL player cannot play in Arena Football, or CFL, or European League, etc. Simple as that. The NFL does not pay the athletes. The teams pay them. And the teams can cut you real quick if you are not good enough either. But bodybuilding is different - you compete for money - it isn't a team sport. Try something with an individual sport to compare.
True about the football thing they cannot play for another organization. But also true is the NFL and others pay their members allot of money. The teams pay them and so does the NFL. And when you are cut you have a contract and the team has to pay that contract off or find a team that will take it over. In all pro sports you comepte for money. Boxing is an individual sport. Boxers box in other federations all the time. In fact they unify the belts from all the major federations. What determines where a fighter is going to fight is the promoter and the money. They can basically go anywhere they want.
How about an IFBB pro guest posing at a PDI event. No way in the world can the IFBB stop this. They wuld be in court in a heartbeat and lose their ass off. That is a fact. They could no way stop that.
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Ahhh - that is the BEAUTY of the Rep position- he doesn't work for Walmart. he works for the independent body of stockboys. WMT has no influence on him, and won't even let him on the property! WMT tells employees to stay away from him! "He will limit your opportunities!" they say.
Bob is either the Pro BBing rep, or the IFBB liason. There is the biggest problem. His position is unclear and we need it clarified.
There is no such thing as Walmart employee's rep- he is a walmart HR employee. A man who works ONLY for the athletes is not influenced by walmart, and would lose his job in a minute for playing golf with the Waltons.
But he is the IFBB athletes rep. He is supposed to help IFBB bodybuilders, not PDI bodybuilders.
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True about the football thing they cannot play for another organization. But also true is the NFL and others pay their members allot of money. The teams pay them and so does the NFL. And when you are cut you have a contract and the team has to pay that contract off or find a team that will take it over. In all pro sports you comepte for money. Boxing is an individual sport. Boxers box in other federations all the time. In fact they unify the belts from all the major federations. What determines where a fighter is going to fight is the promoter and the money. They can basically go anywhere they want.
How about an IFBB pro guest posing at a PDI event. No way in the world can the IFBB stop this. They wuld be in court in a heartbeat and lose their ass off. That is a fact. They could no way stop that.
Actually in the NFL it's just the team owners cutting the players their checks. However, league revenue is divided amongst all teams to their owners.
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But he is the IFBB athletes rep. He is supposed to help IFBB bodybuilders, not PDI bodybuilders.
and he needs more support to help voice the overall opinions of all competitors.
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If the IFBB wakes up, the PDI is gone. The IFBB has so many tools to help generate more money around it, but it seems like no one is working on that. All it does is collect money from athletes and promoters.
Point of the year here! Bravo!
Is the IFBB listening, or will they just pay some lip service that "We respect the fans and will work to make this year's O the best ever blah blah..."?
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and he needs more support to help voice the overall opinions of all competitors.
Exactly, the bodybuilders need a united front!
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How about an IFBB pro guest posing at a PDI event. No way in the world can the IFBB stop this. They wuld be in court in a heartbeat and lose their ass off. That is a fact. They could no way stop that.
Now that is interesting. If an IFBB pro guest poses at another event, and wears the IFBB sweatshirt with IFBB sweatpants, and is clearly promoting the IFBB, can he get in trouble for that? Not sure.
and he needs more support to help voice the overall opinions of all competitors.
No. Bob is the IFBB Athletes Rep. He cannt represent other federations, not Nabba, not Natural bodybuilders, not whoever. It is not his position. He can advise to them, but he is the IFBB Athletes rep. I thought that was pretty clear, considering he is in the IFBB.
Actually in the NFL it's just the team owners cutting the players their checks. However, league revenue is divided amongst all teams to their owners.
Which is why it is better to compare bodybuilding with individual athlete competitions.
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Point of the year here! Bravo!
Is the IFBB listening, or will they just pay some lip service that "We respect the fans and will work to make this year's O the best ever blah blah..."?
I just saw on ABC the other day a report about how weight loss supplements ALONE generate over $1.6 Billion a year, now add other supplements to that, plus the magazine sales of Flex M&F and MD, and you should have a fairly large number. A number that if distributed to benefit all, would not only grow the sport as a whole, but also you can bank on a damn good investment you are making. Money talks...
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I can't believe how many professional Bbers- who work harder than many other athletes in other sports- scrimp to get by. I am a businessman and I talk to them all the time. They're all looking for answers, for sponsors, for some crumbs. As much as I am an internet troll, I might easily out-earn many of them, as do many of us here. It's really sad.
There is zero profit sharing. And there should be.
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No. Bob is the IFBB Athletes Rep. He cannt represent other federations, not Nabba, not Natural bodybuilders, not whoever. It is not his position. He can advise to them, but he is the IFBB Athletes rep. I thought that was pretty clear, considering he is in the IFBB.
Which is why it is better to compare bodybuilding with individual athlete competitions.
I mean IFBB athletes. But he needs more support. Ron, do you think you could face the heads of the IFBB alone? No. And neither can Bob. He needs more support.
I understand bodybuilding is an individual sport, but why not get a few select cities that have a high volume of fans, and make this cities focal points of contests. Get rid of the Toronto Pros, which I know they did, and any others that aren't generating enough attention nor attendance nor excitement.
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COrrect- BUT it's not being run correctly and no change seems to be coming. Most of the guys in this multi-million dollar industry are living on the edge of the law and check to check. They are not being rewarded for their sacrifices.
You have to seperate professional bodybuilding from the multi-million dollar supplement industry. The vast majority of people who train and take supplements have absolutely no interest in pro bodybuilding. I know a hardcore gym with over 1000 members in London that was not able to sell 20 tickets to the British GP held 10 miles away.
As much as I'd like to see the sport grow, in it's current state it's reached it's peak, and you only have to look at the falling attendance and failure of shows to see that the interestest is falling.
The Arnold Weekend has grown into one of the largest sporting events in the world but the bodybuilding event only attracts the same number of people as it did 10 years ago. If Arnold can't pull them in, nobody can.
Competiotion between Walmart and Target is good for employees and consumers because the profit margins are so huge that the companies can absorb increased costs. Show promoters do not have that luxury. Limited demand from fans, means limited support from sponsors.
The majority of people who read bodybuilding magazines are not interested in the competions thenselves only the athletes physiques.
The Ironman Show is held in the body image capital of the world but can't sell out despite it being an established show and recieveing plenty of advertising.
A proliferation of new federations is not going to improve the financial earning capacity of the athletes because it't not going to put more fans on seats.
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I can't believe how many professional Bbers- who work harder than many other athletes in other sports- scrimp to get by. I am a businessman and I talk to them all the time. They're all looking for answers, for sponsors, for some crumbs. As much as I am an internet troll, I might easily out-earn many of them, as do many of us here. It's really sad.
There is zero profit sharing. And there should be.
It would be interesting to know how important sponsored bodybuilders are to supplement sales.
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The shows should be put on by the federations. Period.
There should be one man who is hired to coordinate 5 to 15 shows a year. Give him a small staff and a company account.
IFBB runs all IFBB events. PDI runs all PDI events. When money is tight, the company takes the hit. When there's a big payoff, they get their due back.
And if not, get ONE supp company to do a show, and hold them contractually accountable to be fiscally responsible. Cancelling the Toronto Pro 4 weeks out- that's just mickey mouse, mate!
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The majority of people who read bodybuilding magazines are not interested in the competions thenselves only the athletes physiques.
The readers of these magazines don't get the stories, they don't hear these guys talking, and they don't see them interacting or at shows. Some still picture isn't going to make them want to go to a competition, you gotta sell a little harder than that.
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The shows should be put on by the federations. Period.
There should be one man who is hired to coordinate 5 to 15 shows a year. Give him a small staff and a company account.
IFBB runs all IFBB events. PDI runs all PDI events. When money is tight, the company takes the hit. When there's a big payoff, they get their due back.
And if not, get ONE supp company to do a show, and hold them contractually accountable to be fiscally responsible. Cancelling the Toronto Pro 4 weeks out- that's just mickey mouse, mate!
But that is unfortunately where bodybuilding is at :-\
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The shows should be put on by the federations. Period.
There should be one man who is hired to coordinate 5 to 15 shows a year. Give him a small staff and a company account.
IFBB runs all IFBB events. PDI runs all PDI events. When money is tight, the company takes the hit. When there's a big payoff, they get their due back.
And if not, get ONE supp company to do a show, and hold them contractually accountable to be fiscally responsible. Cancelling the Toronto Pro 4 weeks out- that's just mickey mouse, mate!
Get supplement companies to pay for ads just like the NFL gets ad revenue, and use it to better the league division or federation or whatever you want to call it. Use the money for prettier stage setups, put it back into the system and eventually it will start running like a well oiled transmission and you can ride the wave.
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Also, fewer shows would benefit things. We have what, 14 or 16 IFBB events this year?
All parties would be better served with FOUR BIG EVENTS each year on par with the O/ASC, and put a wildcard qualifier the night before :)
Top 3 from friday night get in. Then the top guys go at it on Sat night. Do it 4 times a year. Show would be top notch, a big event, in varied places, and costs would be minimal because they'd score better costs as they're planning ahead and buying in bulk.
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OK - well - the IFBB, being the dominant bodybuilding organization and through its promoters, gives the athletes a place and venues to compete in order to win prize monies. With that, the IFBB also gives us the place to have expos related to bodybuilding and supplements, and in turn, provides many people with jobs, and the means to advertise a product, which brings in revenue, which lets the supplement companies or another other type of related company offer a contract to the athlete. Being in the IFBB increases the value for these athletes, and perhaps can (but not always) open the doors for more endorsements, prize money, guest posing, and a bigger fan base. The IFBB does not give back in monetary means, but just being at an IFBB show provides many people with a sense of focus, a means to make money, etc.
Now, I am not using other federations don't do the same thing, or the PDI won't, but at the moment, that is an answer to your question.
No - they didnt. They said that if you want your product in their stores, then they need to be guaranteed the lowest price available, and first basis of the product availabilty. It is your choice whether or not you want to be in Wal-Mart. They don't blackmail anyone. As a supplier, you choose what where you want to be.
No you are wrong. The IFBB DOES NOT have anything to do with securing a place, time (maybe cause ofscheduling) or prize money. You have worded it so it sounds like they are doing something but in reality they do nothing. It is the promoter who does everything. They have NOTHING to do with setting up paying for any part of an expo. Ron, you must be sleeping cause you are wrong on all counts
Getting your product into Walmart is interesting. I do not know the proper wording cause I owned the company and had many others doing it for me, but in Walmart as with Target, Sears and other major chain stores the space available is premium and costs money. If you notice not much room in allot of these strores. So when you go see a buyer you have to convince them to make room for your product. You have to convince them that your product is worth more on their shelves that Brand X. A common way is incentives through lower pricing which allow a higher profit margin for the retailer, actually purchase floor or shelve space on a temporary basis for a set amount of time in which certain goals have to be reached, and another way is to provide a very good and creative advertising campaign and co-op opputunites.
Gold's Gym appraoched Macys originally to sell their t-shirts back in the early 80's. Macy's said no. So Golds went back to the drawing board came up with a great idea. They will have numerous BB come to Macy's and sign autographs and take pictures with people who buy their shirts. So Macy's set up a Saturday and the lines were around the corner. They literally sold everything they brought, and Macy's then gave them some floor space. This was in New York.
Your last sentance is VERY wrong. WHen you have a product (new) unless you pay a premium you go where they put you not where you want or you won't be in that store. We paid a huge premium to Target to be right at the front entrance of 14 Target store in California. That premium was very HIGH. But with our POP designs and our creative marketing that premium was paid back 10 fold. They sold out of our product in less than 3 weeks and they did a triple 2nd order and we ended up on the shelve at eye level. Another thing you should know to is products that are at eye level on the shelves pay a nice premium or are established products. If you ever see a new product on the shelf at eye level they paid some great money for that.
What does this have to do with anything. I have no idea but I got going on typing and couldn't stop.
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Also, fewer shows would benefit things. We have what, 14 or 16 IFBB events this year?
All parties would be better served with FOUR BIG EVENTS each year on par with the O/ASC, and put a wildcard qualifier the night before :)
Top 3 from friday night get in. Then the top guys go at it on Sat night. Do it 4 times a year. Show would be top notch, a big event, in varied places, and costs would be minimal because they'd score better costs as they're planning ahead and buying in bulk.
Maybe a few more than 4, maybe 6 or 7. But they do need to bring the number down. More quality = more fans
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Guys like Jay Cutler, Gunter, Richard Jones, David Henry, Branch Warren, these guys are EXTREMELY MARKETABLE!! That's going on radio shows, tv shows, promoting the sport.
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The readers of these magazines don't get the stories, they don't hear these guys talking, and they don't see them interacting or at shows. Some still picture isn't going to make them want to go to a competition, you gotta sell a little harder than that.
100% correct. The solution would be a reality TV show.
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THIS is what getbig should be like.
Not negative, but not ass-kissing either.
If anyone started "Pro XYZ is smart and right and I don't need reasons", they'd be asked out. if anyone flamed, they'd be asked out.
THIS is intelligent discussion with relveant societal examples and are great points. \
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Guys like Jay Cutler, Gunter, Richard Jones, David Henry, Branch Warren, these guys are EXTREMELY MARKETABLE!! That's going on radio shows, tv shows, promoting the sport.
Yes, they are, but what should bodybuilding do to take advantage of this? ???
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Now that is interesting. If an IFBB pro guest poses at another event, and wears the IFBB sweatshirt with IFBB sweatpants, and is clearly promoting the IFBB, can he get in trouble for that? Not sure.
No. Bob is the IFBB Athletes Rep. He cannt represent other federations, not Nabba, not Natural bodybuilders, not whoever. It is not his position. He can advise to them, but he is the IFBB Athletes rep. I thought that was pretty clear, considering he is in the IFBB.
Which is why it is better to compare bodybuilding with individual athlete competitions.
Why would they wear all that stuff. They don't do that now.
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THIS is what getbig should be like.
Not negative, but not ass-kissing either.
If anyone started "Pro XYZ is smart and right and I don't need reasons", they'd be asked out. if anyone flamed, they'd be asked out.
THIS is intelligent discussion with relveant societal examples and are great points. \
And nobody has accused me of bias in 4 posts!
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100% correct. The solution would be a reality TV show.
Maybe not even that, why not a weekly update show? Why not satellite radio? Sirius is giving shows out left and right, they have a 3 hour show about SCUBA DIVING! You're telling me Muscle and Fitness can't fork up $1,000 for a one hour show once a week?
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And nobody has accused me of bias in 4 posts!
You're a Nikon Shill. Don't lie. You've been holding down my HP 6.2 megapixel from minute one.
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Why would they wear all that stuff. They don't do that now.
Maybe Ron is suggesting a makeover ;D
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You're a Nikon Shill. Don't lie. You've been holding down my HP 6.2 megapixel from minute one.
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Shill I can take but NIKON!!! STFU and get a life, I'm a CANON BOY - It's an IFBB requirement! ;D
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Shill I can takem but NIKON!!! STFU and get a life, I'm a CANON BOY - It's and IFBB requirement!;D
Manion and Canon have been in bed since 2001.
Also Bob Chick worked as an intern at Canon summer camp in 1988. Coincidence? I think not.
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Manion and Canon have been in bed since 2001.
Also Bob Chick worked as an intern at Canon summer camp in 1988. Coincidence? I think not.
You guys have gotten off topic, but the Rebel is pretty neat!
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Maybe not even that, why not a weekly update show? Why not satellite radio? Sirius is giving shows out left and right, they have a 3 hour show about SCUBA DIVING! You're telling me Muscle and Fitness can't fork up $1,000 for a one hour show once a week?
Radio is fine, but to attract new interest in what is a visual sport you need TV.
Dan and Bov are doing a great job with their radio show but I would guess that it attracts people already with an interest in the sport.
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It's wonderful to see everyone getting along so well :)
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Radio is fine, but to attract new interest in what is a visual sport you need TV.
Agreed. Weekly show. Theres a Fit Channel that would be perfect. Or SPIKE TV. hell they could start out on spike and then move to the fit channel. hell they could do it on hbo. i mean there are options and no one seems to be taking them
It's wonderful to see everyone getting along so well :)
I think our work is a success. It seems as though we have turn Iraq into Springfield, Illinois!
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Agreed. Weekly show. Theres a Fit Channel that would be perfect. Or SPIKE TV. hell they could start out on spike and then move to the fit channel. hell they could do it on hbo. i mean there are options and no one seems to be taking them
I think our work is a success. It seems as though we have turn Iraq into Springfield, Illinois!
The TV viewer now has a voracious appetite for reality shows and a program designed to show the positive side of the sport could be key to attracting more people to shows.
I often hear that there is no comeraderie between the athletes like there was years ago. Well I've toured with these guys and it's there. Unfortunetaly it's impossible to show that in a magazine report, but TV is a whole new ball game.
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The TV viewer now has a voracious appetite for reality shows and a program designed to show the positive side of the sport could be key to attracting more people to shows.
I often hear that there is no comeraderie between the athletes like there was years ago. Well I've toured with these guys and it's there. Unfortunetaly it's impossible to show that in a magazine report, but TV is a whole new ball game.
Agreed, get Mitsuru in on the deal, and you have everyone benefiting!
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I just saw on ABC the other day a report about how weight loss supplements ALONE generate over $1.6 Billion a year, now add other supplements to that, plus the magazine sales of Flex M&F and MD, and you should have a fairly large number. A number that if distributed to benefit all, would not only grow the sport as a whole, but also you can bank on a damn good investment you are making. Money talks...
Ah - there are different type of supplement companies. Performance building supplement companies cater to bodybuilders and athletes. Weight Loss Supplement Companies can be marketed via Wal-Mart, Costco, Target, Drug Stores, etc, and don’t care about the bodybuilding industry. In reality, this performance building supplement companies represent a much, much smaller piece of the pie.
No you are wrong. The IFBB DOES NOT have anything to do with securing a place, time (maybe cause ofscheduling) or prize money. You have worded it so it sounds like they are doing something but in reality they do nothing. It is the promoter who does everything. They have NOTHING to do with setting up paying for any part of an expo. Ron, you must be sleeping cause you are wrong on all counts
Did I say any of that. I said that the IFBB provides us with promoters that build and secure the places for supplement companies to gain revenue via expos, etc, this sponsoring athletes, etc, and so on. I didn’t say the IFBB itself does that. But they are the underlying federation indirectly responsible for that.
Your last sentance is VERY wrong. WHen you have a product (new) unless you pay a premium you go where they put you not where you want or you won't be in that store.
No it isnt. If you do have a new product, with no advertisement, and no one asking for it, I agree. Pay the premium. But if you advertise and have brand recognition, it is a lot easier to get into a place, especially if customers want to buy the product, and ask for it. I know - but each store have different rules to get it. Whether it is Costco, Target, Walmart, or other stores.
Guys like Jay Cutler, Gunter, Richard Jones, David Henry, Branch Warren, these guys are EXTREMELY MARKETABLE!! That's going on radio shows, tv shows, promoting the sport.
Radio show. Hmm.. a radio show that people can listen to and haer these guys talk... wow. Is there something like that Bob? Dan? Let’s make one, and get these guys to go on, one by one, in an hourly format ;)
Why would they wear all that stuff. They don't do that now.
They dont? I have a number of pics with some of the athletes with IFBB on them, as well as their sponsored companies.
Or SPIKE TV. The TV viewer now has a voracious appetite for reality shows and a program designed to show the positive side of the sport could be key to attracting more people to shows.
It is very expensive, and you need sponsors, even in Spike TV, to agree for commercials for you show. As Road to the Pros and others have found out, it is much more difficult than you think. Bodybuilding is a hard sell for mainstream advertisers.
But perhaps there can be little videos on the comeraderie of the athletes. Shawn Ray’s Muscle Camp’s were the best example of 6-8 bodybuilders together in a group, but are not the best attended. And eventually, it would be call to put some video up, if it didn't take so much bandwidth up.
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So move Bob and Dans to satellite. Talk about news for those who haven't kept up. Do it weekly. Hell, for a tv show, you can get advertising. It's just MD and Weider Pubs don't want to spend money. Even though they both make more than enough. A weekly wrapup show on tv discussing bodybuilding events and having features with visits to see certain guys and such would be very attactive.
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So move Bob and Dans to satellite. Talk about news for those who haven't kept up. Do it weekly. Hell, for a tv show, you can get advertising. It's just MD and Weider Pubs don't want to spend money. Even though they both make more than enough. A weekly wrapup show on tv discussing bodybuilding events and having features with visits to see certain guys and such would be very attactive.
Dan and Bob on radio is still limiting. Get them on TV! In support of Weider, we are the only magazine - FLEX - that puts the resources into covering all the IFBB shows both in the US and worldwide. I'm sure that if there was enough support from the rest of the industry that they would take a proactive role in any program.
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Radio has no business in Bodybuilding. BB is visual. That is the whole idea. To SEE the bodys. Just listening to guys talking is far from interesting or entertaining. The only medium that is worth using and would benefit BB would be TV. Spike TV is great as is FOX. No way would a major pick it up. And cable would probably be the ones that would even consider it seriously as a regular show. Plus radio is not like it used to be. People are listening to CD's in their cars. When was the last time you ever saw someone carrying and listening to a radio. They are using Mp3 players now. Satellite radio is something that is coming around but I don't know. I never really believed in radio and I have probably paid in the last 20+ years for radio advertising $100,000+ for various promotions I have done or commercials for my products. IN fact that is only $5,000 a year and that is way off. But I still never thought it was worth the money spent. It is so hard to track your results from radio and listeners. At least with a magazine or print you have something tangible to look at, hold and keep. TV you get that visual impact that your brain remembers allot better than a radio ad. Not sure why I am typing so much tonight
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Not sure why I am typing so much tonight
And making sense ;D
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Now that is interesting. If an IFBB pro guest poses at another event, and wears the IFBB sweatshirt with IFBB sweatpants, and is clearly promoting the IFBB, can he get in trouble for that? Not sure.
According to the current rules, the answer is 'yes', which proves just how stupid the IFBB and its leadership are and have always been.
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You have to seperate professional bodybuilding from the multi-million dollar supplement industry. The vast majority of people who train and take supplements have absolutely no interest in pro bodybuilding. I know a hardcore gym with over 1000 members in London that was not able to sell 20 tickets to the British GP held 10 miles away.
As much as I'd like to see the sport grow, in it's current state it's reached it's peak, and you only have to look at the falling attendance and failure of shows to see that the interestest is falling.
The Arnold Weekend has grown into one of the largest sporting events in the world but the bodybuilding event only attracts the same number of people as it did 10 years ago. If Arnold can't pull them in, nobody can.
Competiotion between Walmart and Target is good for employees and consumers because the profit margins are so huge that the companies can absorb increased costs. Show promoters do not have that luxury. Limited demand from fans, means limited support from sponsors.
The majority of people who read bodybuilding magazines are not interested in the competions thenselves only the athletes physiques.
The Ironman Show is held in the body image capital of the world but can't sell out despite it being an established show and recieveing plenty of advertising.
A proliferation of new federations is not going to improve the financial earning capacity of the athletes because it't not going to put more fans on seats.
Well said, Kevin.
This post should be archived.
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It would be interesting to know how important sponsored bodybuilders are to supplement sales.
Not that much.
They *used* to be back in the day, but those days are long gone.
The supplement companies still prop bodybuilding up out of a sense of loyalty. They get a return on the investment still, but it's nothing it like used to be.
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The shows should be put on by the federations. Period.
There should be one man who is hired to coordinate 5 to 15 shows a year. Give him a small staff and a company account.
IFBB runs all IFBB events. PDI runs all PDI events. When money is tight, the company takes the hit. When there's a big payoff, they get their due back.
And if not, get ONE supp company to do a show, and hold them contractually accountable to be fiscally responsible. Cancelling the Toronto Pro 4 weeks out- that's just mickey mouse, mate!
The best show I've ever seen is run by a supplement company.
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The best show I've ever seen is run by a supplement company.
Was that the Charlotte Pro?
It was the one show I missed last year and everyone who attended said it was a fantastic event.
The promoter put everything he could into the event but ultimately it was the lack of support from the fans that resulted in it not being held this year?
This is the major problem I've seen over the years both in the US and Europe. The costs of putting on shows is enormous and with a very limited audience base, the probabliity of failure is high. Some promoters do it because of a love of the sport and have other business interests that can help offset the costs for a year or so but eventually they stop promoting. It's getting increasingly difficult to find new promoters. The post Olympia Euro tour used to have 6+ shows, now it's three.
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:'( me too
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Or just get some other form of entertainment, ala, COMEDIANS!!!
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Or just get some other form of entertainment, ala, COMEDIANS!!!
Ray McNeil was pretty funny. he had a stand up comedy act. That is until medford blew his face off. After that he could no longer hit the high notes and his career nosedived. And oh yeah, he died.
Anyway, it could have been a start: the guys tell jokes to the audience and see who gets the biggest laughs. That is like round 4 or the challenge round. Lets see Gustavo beat Ronnie in that one...
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I happen to have a background in law...and no, a good lawyer would not use that as the suspentions of others would be irrelevant to YOUR case. They would look to see if any other athletes that joined the PDI were allowed to still compete in the IFBB, where you were singled out for the same violation.
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perhaps he meant law enforcement but he left that important piece of information out.
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The best thing about the last few pages was Bob,Lee,Hrdcr and Ron were having a serious discussion while 240 and his assinine agenda were summarily ignored.
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What a great thread.
Radio show. Hmm.. a radio show that people can listen to and haer these guys talk... wow. Is there something like that Bob? Dan? Let’s make one, and get these guys to go on, one by one, in an hourly format Wink
I like the show, but it is being marketed to people already interested in the sport. If you want interest in the sport to grow, the trick is to get exposure in places without a pre-existing fanbase (advertising 101). If they secured a spot on broadcast radio, or were linked off of sites other than bodybuilding related portals then it would be different. (I know that is easier said than done, but it does not make it untrue).
Why does the IFBB not push for more exposure? It seems to me that they just have the ship on cruise control. I live in L.A. and for the Olympia, the only coverage I saw was in BB mags and a 2 minute pony show with Gunter ,Mustaffa, and the weatherman on the morning news station. He spent more time trying to pronounce their names than they did talking about the Olympia. There are entire channels now devoted to fitness, yet I don't see any IFBB advertisements on there even. People don't order Pay-Per-View for things they aren't already interested in beforehand, but they will spend an hour watching just about any crap on regular t.v.
I am glad the PDI is going to try to make a go of things, if only for the fact that it might wake up the IFBB. They don't try to get new fans and they run off existing fans with sub-par productions.
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Why does the IFBB not push for more exposure? It seems to me that they just have the ship on cruise control.
IMO, the IFBB is in cruise control because they're in the milking stage of the product life cycle. They're no longer interested in new opportunities and growth. You see individuals like Solomon doing their things, but in general, the IFBB is content in letting things just ride, AS IS.
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I think Lee or any other person could use other cases. It could go towards showing pattern of behavior in the IFBB and how they do not have equal sanctioning for offeneses that are considered equally wrong by the organization. The porn example would work in his case if argued correctly and trust me, lawyers can bullshit any point.
LOL
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What a great thread.
I like the show, but it is being marketed to people already interested in the sport. If you want interest in the sport to grow, the trick is to get exposure in places without a pre-existing fanbase (advertising 101). If they secured a spot on broadcast radio, or were linked off of sites other than bodybuilding related portals then it would be different. (I know that is easier said than done, but it does not make it untrue).
Why does the IFBB not push for more exposure? It seems to me that they just have the ship on cruise control. I live in L.A. and for the Olympia, the only coverage I saw was in BB mags and a 2 minute pony show with Gunter ,Mustaffa, and the weatherman on the morning news station. He spent more time trying to pronounce their names than they did talking about the Olympia. There are entire channels now devoted to fitness, yet I don't see any IFBB advertisements on there even. People don't order Pay-Per-View for things they aren't already interested in beforehand, but they will spend an hour watching just about any crap on regular t.v.
I am glad the PDI is going to try to make a go of things, if only for the fact that it might wake up the IFBB. They don't try to get new fans and they run off existing fans with sub-par productions.
I don't think the Bodybuilding as a whole can push for greater exposure or marketability right now.
With the "hard on" the American Government has over steroids use, BBing would be ripped apart if they make alot of noise right now. They have to keep their collective heads low and hope the Government doesn't try to deflect improtant issues such as Iraq or unemployment away from the public eye and expose how evil bodybuilding is, with all its accepted use of steroids.
Lord knows how much safer the world would be if the great Government had all the dangerous steroids droids off the street. ::)
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I think Lee or any other person could use other cases. It could go towards showing pattern of behavior in the IFBB and how they do not have equal sanctioning for offenses that are considered equally wrong by the organization. The porn example would work in his case if argued correctly and trust me, lawyers can bullshit any point.
True the IFBB could not single me out and fine and suspend me in accordance to their rules.While others are breaking the rules and are have nothing done to them.They must punish all or no one.You can't just pick and choose
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IMO, the IFBB is in cruise control because they're in the milking stage of the product life cycle. They're no longer interested in new opportunities and growth. You see individuals like Solomon doing their things, but in general, the IFBB is content in letting things just ride, AS IS.
Point of information - the people at the top (who control the bodybuilding side, not the publishing side) are not interested in growth, because growth means less CONTROL for them.
Don't ever underestimate the egos involved in controlling bodybuilding, bodybuilders, etc.
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I like the show, but it is being marketed to people already interested in the sport. If you want interest in the sport to grow, the trick is to get exposure in places without a pre-existing fanbase (advertising 101). If they secured a spot on broadcast radio, or were linked off of sites other than bodybuilding related portals then it would be different. (I know that is easier said than done, but it does not make it untrue).
I hear ads for Bodybuilding.com on ESPN radio all the time. They're also a sponsor of the NCAA bowl game (MPC Computers) that's held in Boise, ID.
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True the IFBB could not single me out and fine and suspend me in accordance to their rules.While others are breaking the rules and are have nothing done to them.They must punish all or no one.You can't just pick and choose
Tell that to Barry Bonds.
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Tell that to Barry Bonds.
Great point, McGuire refused to answer any questions and has been let off the hook.
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Was it a dumb post or did you laugh at the lawyer part? :)
excellent funny and truthful post
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despite attempts by the moderators to protect bob (my post was deleted)
it is quite apparent that no one buys bob's
"i have a background in law, it is ok for the ifbb to selectively enforce its rules" post
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despite attempts by the moderators to protect bob (my post was deleted)
it is quite apparent that no one buys bob's
"i have a background in law, it is ok for the ifbb to selectively enforce its rules" post
Bob does have a background in law. Just ask him.
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Bob does have a background in law. Just ask him.
Bob is a form of law.
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Bob is a form of law.
For Bob commanded it and so shall it be done! >:(
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Bob does have a background in law. Just ask him.
while i'm at it i should also ask him if he still has access to bb.com client info
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while i'm at it i should also ask him if he still has access to bb.com client info
He could probably get it if he wanted, but it wouldn't be worth it to him and he might need several people to help him.
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Also, fewer shows would benefit things. We have what, 14 or 16 IFBB events this year?
All parties would be better served with FOUR BIG EVENTS each year on par with the O/ASC, and put a wildcard qualifier the night before
I totally agree with this. When you go to the Olympia and see Ronnie, Jay, Dexter, etc., it's exciting. You look forward to the show months ahead of time, even if you go every year. But, what happens when there's an oversaturation of contests? It loses it's shock value. Just like Mike Metzger's backflip jump over the fountains at Caesar's Palace last night. That was exciting. But, what if 15 people did that each year? We wouldn't even watch anymore. The IFBB should run it's own shows and have 3 big shows plus the Olympia. The shows would be full of tier 1 bodybuilders, with an increase in fan enthusiasm, attendance, sponsorship, and prize money.
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I totally agree with this. When you go to the Olympia and see Ronnie, Jay, Dexter, etc., it's exciting. You look forward to the show months ahead of time, even if you go every year. But, what happens when there's an oversaturation of contests? It loses it's shock value. Just like Mike Metzger's backflip jump over the fountains at Caesar's Palace last night. That was exciting. But, what if 15 people did that each year? We wouldn't even watch anymore. The IFBB should run it's own shows and have 3 big shows plus the Olympia. The shows would be full of tier 1 bodybuilders, with an increase in fan enthusiasm, attendance, sponsorship, and prize money.
The first few times I read you post I saw Mike Mentzer instead of Mike Metzger and I was completely confused :-\
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Using your analogy, as a bodybuilding fan (customer), I can go to Wal-Mart, Target, or whatever. That is the fans (customers) choice. No arguement there. They are not with Wal-Mart or Target. Now the employees have a different choice. They can either work full time at Wal-Mart or at Target, or any other store they want. But they can't do both. You only have 40-50 hours a week of work, logically. They need to choose. And I can guarantee you that if they work 40 hours at Wal-Mart, Target won't hire them.
When you work for a retail company, you sign an agreement that you will be terminated from employment for working at a competitor.
They could care a less if you have 1 or 2 other different jobs....you just can't be working for someone they're in direct competition with.
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He could probably get it if he wanted, but it wouldn't be worth it to him and he might need several people to help him.
bob could probably rob a bank too, if he wanted to.
your point?
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bob could probably rob a bank too, if he wanted to.
your point?
He probably could get the records, but there is no reason to fear that he will.
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When you work for a retail company, you sign an agreement that you will be terminated from employment for working at a competitor.
They could care a less if you have 1 or 2 other different jobs....you just can't be working for someone they're in direct competition with.
When you work for a retail company, you also get paid.
Your analogy fails.
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He probably could get the records, but there is no reason to fear that he will.
of course no one fears bob being able to access anyones info because he can't,
at least according to the owner of bb.com.
do you know something he (deluca) doesn't lucius?
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Therefore, the Wal-Mart/Target analogy is invalid.
shit, it took 5 pages of debate tor realize this?
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of course no one fears bob being able to access anyones info because he can't,
at least according to the owner of bb.com.
do you know something he (deluca) doesn't lucius?
All you have to do to access records is know somebody. Even though students' college records are legally forbidden to be shown, if you knew a student working in records and registration, you could get access to the info. It's not like the information is locked in a vault ::)
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It's not like the information is locked in a vault ::)
It's supposed to be locked in a secure database. Sales people should have access to contact info and ordering history. Bob, however, claimed to have that, "AND MORE!".
I don't know that additional info he was referring to. He had numerous chances to clarify or take back what he said. Instead, he grew the lie.
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It's supposed to be locked in a secure database. Sales people should have access to contact info and ordering history. Bob, however, claimed to have that, "AND MORE!".
I don't know that additional info he was referring to. He had numerous chances to clarify or take back what he said. Instead, he grew the lie.
This what I am saying. He could get access to almost anything as long as he knew the right people and they were willing to help him. Not that he should or even imply that he could.
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It's funny. BBing.com is a multi-million dollar operation. 77k a day or something, nearly $30M a year in sales.
Imagine if the public face/ spokesman of ANY OTHER THIRTY MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS came out and threatned to use the secure sales information for nefarious purposes. He'd be fired in a heartbeat! Scandal! News!
Yet, it's just another day on GetBig!
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Well backon topic if i am fined and suspended i will look into a discrimination case.As lots of other pros have broken the rules acccording to their rule book and NO ACTION WAS TAKEN and there are so many example out there.So to single me out would be discrinmation.So the ball is in their court.
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This is a prime example of why the Athlete's Rep. should not be an IFBB Pro him/herself. There is a egregious conflict of interest between Bob and the IFBB. Bob is a "Pro", and therefore, is at the mercy of the IFBB. As we all know the politics involved in this sport are ridiculous, and anyone "going against the grain" will be and has been(Lee Priest) sanctioned. Bob, you are to represent the BB'ers and stick your neck out for the betterment of the sport and the athletes. But given your place in the IFBB and BB'ing you fail in your efforts to represent the athletes in their best interests as a whole.
The athletes deserve better. One way to make things improve is to oust Bob, and replace him with a qualified attorney and/or sports agent. For god's sake, someone that does this for a living, and has no vested interest, other than reasonable payment for services rendered.
I'm done with this. Too much to even begin...
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Well backon topic if i am fined and suspended i will look into a discrimination case.As lots of other pros have broken the rules acccording to their rule book and NO ACTION WAS TAKEN and there are so many example out there.So to single me out would be discrinmation.So the ball is in their court.
Except the fact that you are the most fined (disciplined) IFBB pro. Your also one of the top tier. Easy enough for them to claim that they are starting with you because of your history and status. An example for the rest to take into consideration and given time by the IFBB brass to change their ways. Depending on the conditions that the IFBB imposes they could allow quite a long time for the other athletes to "toe the line", purely out of the graces of their heart. If they are betting on the PDI to fail, they won't even have to address this issue for years. If they wanted to be real pricks in the matter they could suspend Vince Taylor 6 months or a year after you, just to prove that they are serious, because they have now suspended another top tier athlete. Legally this is almost an impossible case for you to prove.
This is nothing but a hypothetical situation and I don't agree with them or the actions they might take, just stating possibilities.
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In reality , Bob should be doing all that he can to make sure lee is not sanctioned for his choices , in fact as Athlete rep bob should be addressing this issue right now for all athletes , and not slagging the athletes off for their choices !! you don't get a lawyer to represent you only to get slagged off do you ?, or a union rep for that matter !!
Bob should have a petition already sent to all athletes backing a motion that allows the athletes Pro choice, and be preparing to present the petition to the IFBB with consent from the athletes to negotiate this on there behalf !!!
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In reality , Bob should be doing all that he can to make sure lee is not sanctioned for his choices , in fact as Athlete rep bob should be addressing this issue right now for all athletes , and not slagging the athletes off for their choices !! you don't get a lawyer to represent you only to get slagged off do you ?, or a union rep for that matter !!
Bob should have a petition already sent to all athletes backing a motion that allows the athletes Pro choice, and be preparing to present the petition to the IFBB with consent from the athletes to negotiate this on there behalf !!!
I agree that the athletes should be able to compete where they want, when they want etc. But Bob is the IFBB rep and trying to clean up the IFBB one issue at a time. Allowing Athletes to compete in other federations weakens the IFBB and the top brass are not going to be to interested in that prospect. IF Bob truly believes in his heart (my words here so nobody can use them against Bob) that the PDI is a pipe dream or will fail, pushing efforts in this matter would be a waste of his time and energy. Focusing on the IFBB making it a better place to compete and earn a living in, that doesn't sound like a bad thing either, does it?
Now starting a petition, why does that need to come from the athletes rep? Why don't you, Lee or Vince start one? If the petition gains the support you figure it will then it can be presented to the IFBB, with a little teeth behind it.
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Well backon topic if i am fined and suspended i will look into a discrimination case.As lots of other pros have broken the rules acccording to their rule book and NO ACTION WAS TAKEN and there are so many example out there.So to single me out would be discrinmation.So the ball is in their court.
Although I support you Lee.....I think you would be pissing in the wind
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Except the fact that you are the most fined (disciplined) IFBB pro. Your also one of the top tier. Easy enough for them to claim that they are starting with you because of your history and status. An example for the rest to take into consideration and given time by the IFBB brass to change their ways. Depending on the conditions that the IFBB imposes they could allow quite a long time for the other athletes to "toe the line", purely out of the graces of their heart. If they are betting on the PDI to fail, they won't even have to address this issue for years. If they wanted to be real pricks in the matter they could suspend Vince Taylor 6 months or a year after you, just to prove that they are serious, because they have now suspended another top tier athlete. Legally this is almost an impossible case for you to prove.
This is nothing but a hypothetical situation and I don't agree with them or the actions they might take, just stating possibilities.
No i could prove it just in the pornographic section of the rules alone.They allow some people to sell the pornographic mags at IFBB show and yet they are not fined or suspended.Not hard to prove at all.
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Again Lee, you would have no case...as you would have to show that someone else that went to the PDI was NOT suspended, and you were. I can assure you, Vince willl be also, etc, etc...
Other cases have nothing to do with the reason you would be suspended for this particular infraction.
If you were to do a porno, or have porno pics on your website, and be suspended for it...THEN you could sue for discrimination.
I'm not quite sure WHY you want to be a part of the IFBB as you have made it clear, you don't like it...
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I think lee wants to be able to have the choice of whom he competes for !! I am sure the promoters of the shows would like the attendance of lee at there shows no matter who they pay a sanction fee to !!
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Well, thats a right you give up when you send in your $200, and sign the contract that says you'll abide by the rules as they are set up.
As I said in a similiarr thread..I'm not so sure spreading the talent pool is ultimately in the athletes best interests, when were having a tough enough time getting money to more athletes with all of us under one roof!
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So you think a strangle hold under the roof of a monopoly is better ------ how come then IFBB affiliates at amateur level allow athletes to compete in other federations as over time they have realised by suspending athletes whom say decide to compete in NABBA (which incidentally does not have a 'sole affiliation' rule),has just dwindled there show numbers thus effectively the rules had to be changed to allow athletes to choose ??
Remembering Nabba is allot bigger than the IFBB in many European country's!!
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No independent person with any business acumen will EVER agree that an IFBB Monopoly is better for the fans and the athletes.
Either the person is biased for the IFBB, or blind to how things work and have been working.
monoploies screw both employees (the athletes) and customers (the fans!)
The corporation is calling every shot and taking most of the profits.
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No independent person with any business acumen will EVER agree that an IFBB Monopoly is better for the fans and the athletes.
Either the person is biased for the IFBB, or blind to how things work and have been working.
monoploies screw both employees (the athletes) and customers (the fans!)
The corporation is calling every shot and taking most of the profits.
I disagree. Sometimes monopolies occur because it is better to work together and combine strengths than it is to compete. The NBA and NFL have just as much of a monopoly on professional basketball and football as the IFBB does on bodybuilding, and they are both excellent leagues.
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I disagree. Sometimes monopolies occur because it is better to work together and combine strengths than it is to compete. The NBA and NFL have just as much of a monopoly on professional basketball and football as the IFBB does on bodybuilding, and they are both excellent leagues.
BUT- when the NFL wasn't that fun, voila! The XFL appeared. The NFL adapted, and you saw lots of TD celebrations for 3 years. Now they're ending that practice.
Likewise, the NBA has the CBA and the USBL and the NBA Europe- they don't compete- they fill diff niches. Just like the PDI will fill the niche of fans who want to see unpredictable shows with creative stage shows, with no guts.
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So you think a strangle hold under the roof of a monopoly is better ------ how come then IFBB affiliates at amateur level allow athletes to compete in other federations as over time they have realised by suspending athletes whom say decide to compete in NABBA (which incidentally does not have a 'sole affiliation' rule),has just dwindled there show numbers thus effectively the rules had to be changed to allow athletes to choose ??
Remembering Nabba is allot bigger than the IFBB in many European country's!!
I really wish people would stop using the phrase "monopoly"..there are plenty of other federations to choose from if you do not wish to join the IFBB. Nabba, as you pointed out is one, If it comes to be, PDI is another, etc, etc...
The key word in your question is AMATEUR. Amateur organizations cannot dictate where athletes can and cannot compete by law. The IFBB *PRO* league, is professional and there is prize money awarded.
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BUT- when the NFL wasn't that fun, voila! The XFL appeared. The NFL adapted, and you saw lots of TD celebrations for 3 years. Now they're ending that practice.
Likewise, the NBA has the CBA and the USBL and the NBA Europe- they don't compete- they fill diff niches. Just like the PDI will fill the niche of fans who want to see unpredictable shows with creative stage shows, with no guts.
The NFL wasn't fun when the XFL existed? That's not true at all. The NFL adapted to nothing because the XFL had zero popularity. People had already decided what they wanted. The IFBB is already not the only bodybuilding league. Obviously NABBA exists, as well as natural leagues.
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Fair enough, I'll give you that.
But what if the NFL worked the playoff system so that we saw the Patriots get a giftwrapped super bowl NINE STRAIGHT SEASONS?
The game certainly wouldn't have the selling power it has now. Commercials wouldn't cost $2+M each. People wouldn't pay thousands for tickets.
Too bad the IFBB thinks it has to have a dynasty to have fans. While it may serve some perverse vision for Uncle Ben, it sucks for the fans.
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AND- the NFL Players Union has a lot of power. Athletes don't take the field without a minimum salary of $230,000. And Troy Vincent, the union rep, doesn't take shit from the league. Also, interestingly, he's a RETIRED athlete, so no conflict of interest occurs.
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Fair enough, I'll give you that.
But what if the NFL worked the playoff system so that we saw the Patriots get a giftwrapped super bowl NINE STRAIGHT SEASONS?
The game certainly wouldn't have the selling power it has now. Commercials wouldn't cost $2+M each. People wouldn't pay thousands for tickets.
Too bad the IFBB thinks it has to have a dynasty to have fans. While it may serve some perverse vision for Uncle Ben, it sucks for the fans.
I agree with you completely about this. If the IFBB feels that they are as beloved as the NFL or NBA, they are sorely mistaken. The fact that they can be so corrupt means the door is open for other leagues. I wish the PDI the best of luck.
And yes, to have an athletes rep also compete would not pass muster in a more legitimate sport :-\
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He probably could get the records, but there is no reason to fear that he will.
Wouldn't it be funny if Chic broke into BB.com offices to get 240's records. And it wass all caught on tape. He had a hood on but it said IFBB on it. His shirt was a BB.com with Bob C. on it. It would be great Dumbest Crimminals Show
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This is a prime example of why the Athlete's Rep. should not be an IFBB Pro him/herself. There is a egregious conflict of interest between Bob and the IFBB. Bob is a "Pro", and therefore, is at the mercy of the IFBB. As we all know the politics involved in this sport are ridiculous, and anyone "going against the grain" will be and has been(Lee Priest) sanctioned. Bob, you are to represent the BB'ers and stick your neck out for the betterment of the sport and the athletes. But given your place in the IFBB and BB'ing you fail in your efforts to represent the athletes in their best interests as a whole.
The athletes deserve better. One way to make things improve is to oust Bob, and replace him with a qualified attorney and/or sports agent. For god's sake, someone that does this for a living, and has no vested interest, other than reasonable payment for services rendered.
I'm done with this. Too much to even begin...
This where Bob comes in and says he doesn't work for the IFBB. He is the Athletes Rep.
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Wouldn't it be funny if Chic broke into BB.com offices to get 240's records. And it wass all caught on tape. He had a hood on but it said IFBB on it. His shirt was a BB.com with Bob C. on it. It would be great Dumbest Crimminals Show
Hahahahaha, that would be awesome ;D. Imagine Bob trying to explain the situation to his lawyer ;D! Imagine 240 in court testifying against Bob! ;D
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Hahahahaha, that would be awesome ;D. Imagine Bob trying to explain the situation to his lawyer ;D! Imagine 240 in court testifying against Bob! ;D
That would be classic.
Manion would stand up as a character witness for Bob.
And I'd be trying to sell websites to the jurors during deliberations.
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That would be classic.
Manion would stand up as a character witness for Bob.
And I'd be trying to sell websites to the jurors during deliberations.
Yes, the judge would be listening intently as you described what a melt.down was ;D
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only every time i used the word m*ltdown in my testimony, Ron Avidan would be in the back of the courtroom yelling "SUPPORT GETBIG!"
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Hahahahaha, that would be awesome ;D. Imagine Bob trying to explain the situation to his lawyer ;D! Imagine 240 in court testifying against Bob! ;D
Why would he have a lawyer. I thought he already has a background in Law. And everyone knows the old saying about representing yourself in court.
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Lee, consult with a lawyer before you assume that you could have a case.
I think Bob is on the right with this one.
It would be no different than getting fired from a job because you had somebody else clock you out when you were already gone for the day but they don't fire somebody showing up late to work.
The only way the person could file a complaint or lawsuit would be he would have to have knowledge that somebody else that did the exact same thing was not fired or even reprimended.
Then again, this may be a bad example because some states "california" is an at will employment where a job doesn't need an excuse to let you go.
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I know I'm right on this one...
They often don't let PRIOR convictions in as testimony in a new casse agaainst a person being tried for the same crime, due to the fact that it's irrelevant to THAT particular case and may sway the jury to a biased conclusion based on PAST history.
...and thats involving the SAME person, and HIS history. Forget about using someone else's situation, which may or may not have the EXACT same circumstances and lead to the same outcome.
As I stated earlier...Lee would have a case if HE was suspended, but lets say Vince Taylor was not for the samee exact infraction...now you've got a case.
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Bob, when the court case goes down, will you be sitting at Lee's table, or at the IFBB's table?
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I know I'm right on this one...
They often don't let PRIOR convictions in as testimony in a new casse agaainst a person being tried for the same crime, due to the fact that it's irrelevant to THAT particular case and may sway the jury to a biased conclusion based on PAST history.
...and thats involving the SAME person, and HIS history. Forget about using someone else's situation, which may or may not have the EXACT same circumstances and lead to the same outcome.
As I stated earlier...Lee would have a case if HE was suspended, but lets say Vince Taylor was not for the samee exact infraction...now you've got a case.
Again....I agree with this.
Been in a similar situation before & Chick is right. The Judicial system won't hear it.
I actually had to take a different approach & turned the company in on labor violations. It took awhile but it costed a former employer hundreds of thousands of dollars in violations & all I did was file an "anonymous" report. ;D
Lee....when there's a will, there's a way....but your approach has no claim that I can see.
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As I stated earlier...Lee would have a case if HE was suspended, but lets say Vince Taylor was not for the samee exact infraction...now you've got a case.
Yes, he would have to claim - and prove - discrimination.
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i have never seen pornographic magazines sold at shows/expo's. do you mean adult material or pornographic?
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i have never seen pornographic magazines sold at shows/expo's. do you mean adult material or porographic?
This is my thought as well.
Lee, what magazines r you talking about as I would like some :D
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You Don't call the magazines that Denise masino sells pornorgraphic or her videos.You mean to tell me the IFBB officials have never seen this. MMMMMMMMM.
There a tons of web site of competing pros (female )naked and doing stuff on web cam or video males to.There have been people who have said things in print just like me i got fined or suspended they didn't.No i think there is a case there somewhere.I will have a contract attorney take a good look
So why does the IFBB have all these rules if they are not going to enforce them? They just enforce them when someone who isn't a team players breaks them.
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i am ignorant of her products. sorry, i'm not all knowing.
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Lee, consult with a lawyer before you assume that you could have a case.
I think Bob is on the right with this one.
It would be no different than getting fired from a job because you had somebody else clock you out when you were already gone for the day but they don't fire somebody showing up late to work.
The only way the person could file a complaint or lawsuit would be he would have to have knowledge that somebody else that did the exact same thing was not fired or even reprimended.
Monica Brant has not - and will not be - suspended.
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Well, thats a right you give up when you send in your $200, and sign the contract that says you'll abide by the rules as they are set up.
That agreement needs to be re-tooled, bigtime.
People just sign it because they assume they have no choice. Get some legal counsel onboard, charge the costs to GetBig, and then re-write that agreement and submit it to the ATHLETE membership for approval.
Then the federation has no choice but to accept the new terms.
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Well, thats a right you give up when you send in your $200, and sign the contract that says you'll abide by the rules as they are set up.
As I said in a similiarr thread..I'm not so sure spreading the talent pool is ultimately in the athletes best interests, when were having a tough enough time getting money to more athletes with all of us under one roof!
chick, you don't seem to realize (or been told not acknowledge)
that the PDI will force the IFBB to up its game (prize money), just like the WBF did.
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The real key is information.
Lee will need to compile and organize all sorts of evidence of IFBB intimidation, dirty tricks, and corruption.
Once he's demonstrated the federation's lack of character (which is quite evident to critics like myself, but will have to be proven to a jury), then his case should pretty much be a slam dunk.
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That agreement needs to be re-tooled, bigtime.
People just sign it because they assume they have no choice. Get some legal counsel onboard, charge the costs to GetBig, and then re-write that agreement and submit it to the ATHLETE membership for approval.
Then the federation has no choice but to accept the new terms.
Chick, this is good advice.
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gathering supporting evidence for this kind of case is rather simple with the internet
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The IFBB is going to be handing out suspensions, reprimands, or whatever they wish to call it. They get to pick who goes and for what reason. If they constitute that your actions are far more damaging to the IFBB and its image (take any thread on here for proof, if you want some) then naked women, they have all the grounds they need to suspend you. All they have to claim again is that your actions are the most damaging to the coporation and offered no other recourse. Then start addressing the other issues, and give the intent that disciplinary actions will be taken if the aggressors don't stop their actions. Or they could even state your actions are to grievous to forgive (as yours with the intent to seriously hurt the company) and are looking at revising the existing regulations for a fairer and more just system for the IFBB athletes. American Corporate law favours the company, always has and will. Will just a few legal manouvers and structural promises your case is in limbo, but the lawyers that you hire will still need to be paid, or is Wayne going to step up and help out his athletes or just leave you out in the cold.
IS WAYNE GOING TO STEP UP AND HELP ITS ATHLETES IN MATTERS SUCH AS THIS?
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gathering supporting evidence for this kind of case is rather simple with the internet
Yes and no.
You're still going to need sworn statements by people willing to address specific allegations against the IFBB, its leadership, and its officials/judges. Despite all the IFBB-bashing that happens on these boards (95% of it being well-deserved), it's quite a different story when people have to sign their real names to something and cannot just post anonymously on some board.
So, based on 'internet evidence', there's a mountain of claims that can be made against the fed, but until all that stuff has signatures and real names behind it, it means nothing.
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All they have to claim again is that your actions are the most damaging to the corporation and offered no other recourse.
Did that corporation pay its proper share of taxes in the U.S. last year?
We know they certainly made money in the U.S...
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Did that corporation pay its proper share of taxes in the U.S. last year?
We know they certainly made money in the U.S...
That is nice but completely irrelevant to Lee's case of discrimination. How many other corporations are foreign based?
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That is nice but completely irrelevant to Lee's case of discrimination. How many other corporations are foreign based?
Tons, but all legitimate corporations pay something to the IRS.
More importantly, it's not irrelevant. If in addition to all the other 'stuff' it's demonstrated that the IFBB are tax fraudsters, then that makes his case that much more winnable.
As of this moment, the entire burden of proof would be upon him and it's going to take a lot of sworn statements in support of his position for him to get this thing to an eventual trial.
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Yes and no.
You're still going to need sworn statements by people willing to address specific allegations against the IFBB, its leadership, and its officials/judges. Despite all the IFBB-bashing that happens on these boards (95% of it being well-deserved), it's quite a different story when people have to sign their real names to something and cannot just post anonymously on some board.
So, based on 'internet evidence', there's a mountain of claims that can be made against the fed, but until all that stuff has signatures and real names behind it, it means nothing.
The average Joe poster isn't going to matter no matter what they sign. The statements that are only going to be considered are people with actual hands on experience. I am not sure how many of those people are really going to step up, I am not sure if Lee and his revolution has this kind of support.
One more thing and then I am going back to bed, I am suffering from "siks de mayo" syndrome.
Everybody is saying Bob should do this for Lee, the moment Lee signed that contract continues to step on the PDI stage how can Bob help him? Anything Bob tries will be completely brushed aside because Lee is still proceeding with the intent to hurt the company. Now if there comes a time that Lee or Vince "tear up" their contract and state they have given up working for the PDI, then Bob can do something. You have to remember that he is only the men's rep for the IFBB. Anything beyond that little window is cannot be his concern. Lee and Vince very well knew that signing that contract what would happen and gave up the rights to representation by the IFBB or its representatives. Same thing goes in any Union, when you step out of their zone of influence you are on your own.
Sorry Lucious but Bob is not god.
Tons, but all legitimate corporations pay something to the IRS.
More importantly, it's not irrelevant. If in addition to all the other 'stuff' it's demonstrated that the IFBB are tax fraudsters, then that makes his case that much more winnable.
As of this moment, the entire burden of proof would be upon him and it's going to take a lot of sworn statements in support of his position for him to get this thing to an eventual trial.
Have you got any proof of this claim? I would be really interested to see it as I am sure the IRS would as well. Why don't you place a call to the IRS in this matter, I think the American Government even offers a reward for this. Make the call, and help Lee out!
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A little birdie told me the IFBB will be backing down when push comes to shove.
Wayne knows there the financial bodies are buried with the IFBB. No saints in this room.
The issue will not be pushed.
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You Don't call the magazines that Denise masino sells pornorgraphic or her videos.You mean to tell me the IFBB officials have never seen this. MMMMMMMMM.
There a tons of web site of competing pros (female )naked and doing stuff on web cam or video males to.There have been people who have said things in print just like me i got fined or suspended they didn't.No i think there is a case there somewhere.I will have a contract attorney take a good look
So why does the IFBB have all these rules if they are not going to enforce them? They just enforce them when someone who isn't a team players breaks them.
Lee....question.....
do you find that kind of material offensive or maybe inappropriate at a public event where obviously families or children may be in attendance?
This sort of this could be more damaging if knowing how to use it. ;)
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Lee....question.....
do you find that kind of material offensive or maybe inappropriate at a public event where obviously families or children may be in attendance?
This sort of this could be more damaging if knowing how to use it. ;)
That's on the event organizers, though, not the federation.
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That's on the event organizers, though, not the federation.
True....true.
Scratch that idea Lee....unless you have a beef with them too.
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The average Joe poster isn't going to matter no matter what they sign. The statements that are only going to be considered are people with actual hands on experience. I am not sure how many of those people are really going to step up, I am not sure if Lee and his revolution has this kind of support.
Who'd you think I was talking about? Of course it will require people with first-hand knowledge of various situations. It's no longer some mickey mouse game when you start pursuing costly litigation.
Everybody is saying Bob should do this for Lee, the moment Lee signed that contract continues to step on the PDI stage how can Bob help him? Anything Bob tries will be completely brushed aside because Lee is still proceeding with the intent to hurt the company.
Assuming Lee paid his 200 bucks for this year then, according to 'their rules', Bob is his rep.
Same thing goes in any Union, when you step out of their zone of influence you are on your own.
So you agree they need a true performer-athlete union?
Have you got any proof of this claim? I would be really interested to see it as I am sure the IRS would as well. Why don't you place a call to the IRS in this matter, I think the American Government even offers a reward for this. Make the call, and help Lee out!
I'd be very interested in knowing the answer myself. They're conducting business in the U.S., so surely they're paying taxes in the U.S....right?
:-X
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The IFBB is going to be handing out suspensions, reprimands, or whatever they wish to call it. They get to pick who goes and for what reason. If they constitute that your actions are far more damaging to the IFBB and its image (take any thread on here for proof, if you want some) then naked women, they have all the grounds they need to suspend you. All they have to claim again is that your actions are the most damaging to the coporation and offered no other recourse. Then start addressing the other issues, and give the intent that disciplinary actions will be taken if the aggressors don't stop their actions. Or they could even state your actions are to grievous to forgive (as yours with the intent to seriously hurt the company) and are looking at revising the existing regulations for a fairer and more just system for the IFBB athletes. American Corporate law favours the company, always has and will. Will just a few legal manouvers and structural promises your case is in limbo, but the lawyers that you hire will still need to be paid, or is Wayne going to step up and help out his athletes or just leave you out in the cold.
IS WAYNE GOING TO STEP UP AND HELP ITS ATHLETES IN MATTERS SUCH AS THIS?
Please use paragraphs.
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Please use paragraphs.
Racq is on a rampage.
Let the man stream that conscience! :D
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The average Joe poster isn't going to matter no matter what they sign. The statements that are only going to be considered are people with actual hands on experience. I am not sure how many of those people are really going to step up, I am not sure if Lee and his revolution has this kind of support.
One more thing and then I am going back to bed, I am suffering from "siks de mayo" syndrome.
Everybody is saying Bob should do this for Lee, the moment Lee signed that contract continues to step on the PDI stage how can Bob help him? Anything Bob tries will be completely brushed aside because Lee is still proceeding with the intent to hurt the company. Now if there comes a time that Lee or Vince "tear up" their contract and state they have given up working for the PDI, then Bob can do something. You have to remember that he is only the men's rep for the IFBB. Anything beyond that little window is cannot be his concern. Lee and Vince very well knew that signing that contract what would happen and gave up the rights to representation by the IFBB or its representatives. Same thing goes in any Union, when you step out of their zone of influence you are on your own.
Sorry Lucious but Bob is not god.
Have you got any proof of this claim? I would be really interested to see it as I am sure the IRS would as well. Why don't you place a call to the IRS in this matter, I think the American Government even offers a reward for this. Make the call, and help Lee out!
Sorry Lucious but Bob is not god....I know that Bob is not God. He only shares similarities with Him. ;D
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Sorry Lucious but Bob is not god....I know that Bob is not God. He only shares similarities to Him. ;D
Since god's "son" was Black, does that mean that God is - or was - Black, too??
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I whole-heartedly agree that there needs to be a true performer-athlete union, but that is extremely unlikely as this point in time. If Bob can’t even get more then 6 Athletes to show enough interest to even attend a meeting, how can anybody gain enough support to entrench a Union in the IFBB?
So until then the IFBB (men’s division) has an athlete’s rep, whom is unpaid for his efforts and can only do little things and hopefully build up momentum and support to tackle the big outstanding issues. If Bob stands up and demands this or that Uncle Ben is just going to wipe the entire position off the map. This isn’t a Union and has no legal protection.
All the PDI supporters on here complain that Bob is a company man, remember Uncle Ben can decide that the position is not warranted for any reason and terminate the project. Then who would benefit? Bob would, it would free up more time to pursue his own career choices, allow him to make more money and to prepare for future shows, if that is his wish.
Please clarify why Bob should focus his attentions on Lee and letting him compete in another federation as opposed to concentrating on making the IFBB more profitable and fair to the majority of the athletes who as of now are loyal to the IFBB. In other words should the athletes rep forego all other avenues to help Lee? He is only one man with no staff; he cannot do it all alone.
Bottom line, everybody should stand up and support Bob in his efforts to change the corrupt system instead of trying to submarine his efforts. Who are you really helping when you do this?
I’m not saying I disagree with the idea that the professional athletes should be allowed to compete in both organizations. My point his get off your asses and help out to make it a reality if that is what you really want.
HDRCOR do you have a draft copy of that petition ready yet? I can help word it for you to take to all the other athletes if you like.
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Back to Lee’s “legal case”
A precedent has already been set in a similar matter and the athlete. The NHL suspended Bob Probert for his constant use of the substance abuse program. How many NHL players break the rules and regulations of the league and are not reprimanded, more then I can count. The head of the NHL even stated that it is not a right to play in the NHL but a privilege.
The law that keeps being poorly quoted is the one where the IFBB cannot impede an athlete from making a living and they are not. Lee is free to compete anywhere else he chooses. Which so happens to be the same argument the NHL used in Bob Probert’s case. Now before you say Bob Probert was a paid athlete (which is true) but the Detroit Red Wings and not the NHL paid him. The NHL has a strong union, albeit a bit weaker today, but they couldn’t change the outcome.
The IFBB is Ben’s game and he has the legal right to say who gets to play on his court or not.
I'm going to put my soap box away now, be happy.
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Back to Lee’s “legal case”
A precedent has already been set in a similar matter and the athlete. The NHL suspended Bob Probert for his constant use of the substance abuse program. How many NHL players break the rules and regulations of the league and are not reprimanded, more then I can count. The head of the NHL even stated that it is not a right to play in the NHL but a privilege.
The law that keeps being poorly quoted is the one where the IFBB cannot impede an athlete from making a living and they are not. Lee is free to compete anywhere else he chooses. Which so happens to be the same argument the NHL used in Bob Probert’s case. Now before you say Bob Probert was a paid athlete (which is true) but the Detroit Red Wings and not the NHL paid him. The NHL has a strong union, albeit a bit weaker today, but they couldn’t change the outcome.
The IFBB is Ben’s game and he has the legal right to say who gets to play on his court or not.
I'm going to put my soap box away now, be happy.
DAYUMMMM. Yer pretty smart fer a stripper.
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DAYUMMMM. Yer pretty smart fer a stripper.
Thanks, Blonde also. I wasn't always a stripper. I used to be an EMT-A until I burned out. Stripping is my brain dead, no stress alternative for now.
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Since god's "son" was Black, does that mean that God is - or was - Black, too??
Maybe, unless they do a paternity test and find out that God was not the father :'(
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You Don't call the magazines that Denise masino sells pornorgraphic or her videos.You mean to tell me the IFBB officials have never seen this. MMMMMMMMM.
There a tons of web site of competing pros (female )naked and doing stuff on web cam or video males to.There have been people who have said things in print just like me i got fined or suspended they didn't.No i think there is a case there somewhere.I will have a contract attorney take a good look
So why does the IFBB have all these rules if they are not going to enforce them? They just enforce them when someone who isn't a team players breaks them.
oh yeah.. muscular elegance or something like that... man.... the clit on her is something else...
and Heather Tristany....mmmmm heather tristany... or should I say Mistress Heater....she's something.. although she is no longer competing.. wise move as she is making more bucks in a much more respectable market.
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All sports organization unions have athletes reps from each team. The president of the NBAPA is Antonio Davis.Also most leagues have a non-competition clause in the contracts. Player in the NFL cannot play in the CFL or Arena.Bowl, bu they can play in Europe because the NFL owns the league The days of Deon Sanders or other two sport stars are over. No one wants to pay for someone that gets hurt.
The better sport to compare with is boxing, boxing doesn't have athlete representation and there isn't a strong union. The athletes in Boxing are regulated through the government. Young boxers are taken advantage all of the time because they cannot understand the contracts they sign and don't have legal representation. The advantage with government regulation is that any athlete can compete in boxing federation.
I don't think the IFBB is wrong in asking for this. I also think that any athlete that wants to be a member better think about it before they join. I don't know if a union is what is needed. I think an association that has lawyers so that fair contracts can be made would be a good starting point.
The athletes in bodybuilding must help themselves, if the PDI looks like a better venture then go for it. Until the athletes take the power of unfair contracting away from the federations then this will continue no matter what the federation.
If you feel that each athlete is treated differently then in contract law there is a term called Estoppal (English common law), I don't no the American term but there are American lawyers on this site, which means that if you allow one person to do something against the contract then that part of the contract is void.
This ensures that the contract is fair for all.
The Bob Probert arguement fails to mention that he would never be allowed to compete in the NHL again. Theo Fluery is also in that group.
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When comparing other pro sports to BB what do you see:
1. Baseball/football/basketball/hockey pros all have lawyers as agents
2. "" "" players reps orgs. are lead by lawyers/business processionals and not current players. It is impossible for Bob to comp. and be a hard ass in a sport like BB being a hard ass is professional suicide.
3. The bulk of the money in bodybuilding is made in sups and muscle mags, not the shows ( a baseball weekend during the playoffs in baseball make more money than all the bb shows in one year).
So what is the answer, the pros need a pro union, simple lead by a hard ass lawyer who has balls!!! Will this happen? LMAO never!
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All sports organization unions have athletes reps from each team. The president of the NBAPA is Antonio Davis.Also most leagues have a non-competition clause in the contracts. Player in the NFL cannot play in the CFL or Arena.Bowl, bu they can play in Europe because the NFL owns the league The days of Deon Sanders or other two sport stars are over. No one wants to pay for someone that gets hurt.
The better sport to compare with is boxing, boxing doesn't have athlete representation and there isn't a strong union. The athletes in Boxing are regulated through the government. Young boxers are taken advantage all of the time because they cannot understand the contracts they sign and don't have legal representation. The advantage with government regulation is that any athlete can compete in boxing federation.
I don't think the IFBB is wrong in asking for this. I also think that any athlete that wants to be a member better think about it before they join. I don't know if a union is what is needed. I think an association that has lawyers so that fair contracts can be made would be a good starting point.
The athletes in bodybuilding must help themselves, if the PDI looks like a better venture then go for it. Until the athletes take the power of unfair contracting away from the federations then this will continue no matter what the federation.
If you feel that each athlete is treated differently then in contract law there is a term called Estoppal (English common law), I don't no the American term but there are American lawyers on this site, which means that if you allow one person to do something against the contract then that part of the contract is void.
This ensures that the contract is fair for all.
The Bob Probert arguement fails to mention that he would never be allowed to compete in the NHL again. Theo Fluery is also in that group.
Great points!
But be careful dear they will start to call you Bob's Bimbo or Manion's Slut, amongst other colorful names.
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I don't think that there should be an athletes representative on the IFBB. The IFBB is a for profit company and there could be some perceived collusion.
It is much better for all of the athletes to form a Representative body. This group doesn't need all of the athletes, just enough to pay for a lawyer to go through the contracts they sign and to make sure they are not get screwed over.
The IFBB and PDI would have lawyers trying to make the contracts as one side as possible, in the end the only recourse other then walking away is to fight back with legal representation of your own.
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IFBB probodybuilders are independent contractors. they are not in sports.
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The IFBB is going to be handing out suspensions, reprimands, or whatever they wish to call it. They get to pick who goes and for what reason. If they constitute that your actions are far more damaging to the IFBB and its image (take any thread on here for proof, if you want some) then naked women, they have all the grounds they need to suspend you. All they have to claim again is that your actions are the most damaging to the coporation and offered no other recourse. Then start addressing the other issues, and give the intent that disciplinary actions will be taken if the aggressors don't stop their actions. Or they could even state your actions are to grievous to forgive (as yours with the intent to seriously hurt the company) and are looking at revising the existing regulations for a fairer and more just system for the IFBB athletes. American Corporate law favours the company, always has and will. Will just a few legal manouvers and structural promises your case is in limbo, but the lawyers that you hire will still need to be paid, or is Wayne going to step up and help out his athletes or just leave you out in the cold.
IS WAYNE GOING TO STEP UP AND HELP ITS ATHLETES IN MATTERS SUCH AS THIS?
UMM Pros being busted for drug sale does that do anything to the IFBBS image.I think it does and what was done to these athletes?
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The average Joe poster isn't going to matter no matter what they sign. The statements that are only going to be considered are people with actual hands on experience. I am not sure how many of those people are really going to step up, I am not sure if Lee and his revolution has this kind of support.
One more thing and then I am going back to bed, I am suffering from "siks de mayo" syndrome.
Everybody is saying Bob should do this for Lee, the moment Lee signed that contract continues to step on the PDI stage how can Bob help him? Anything Bob tries will be completely brushed aside because Lee is still proceeding with the intent to hurt the company. Now if there comes a time that Lee or Vince "tear up" their contract and state they have given up working for the PDI, then Bob can do something. You have to remember that he is only the men's rep for the IFBB. Anything beyond that little window is cannot be his concern. Lee and Vince very well knew that signing that contract what would happen and gave up the rights to representation by the IFBB or its representatives. Same thing goes in any Union, when you step out of their zone of influence you are on your own.
Sorry Lucious but Bob is not god.
Have you got any proof of this claim? I would be really interested to see it as I am sure the IRS would as well. Why don't you place a call to the IRS in this matter, I think the American Government even offers a reward for this. Make the call, and help Lee out!
As far as i know i m still an IFBB pro aren't i.
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Lee....question.....
do you find that kind of material offensive or maybe inappropriate at a public event where obviously families or children may be in attendance?
This sort of this could be more damaging if knowing how to use it. ;)
Of course it is i couldn't beleive they were selling it when i saw it and th ephotos they had.Even the hiddens photos under the table with little stickys on certain body parts.
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As far as i know i m still an IFBB pro aren't i.
you got your "offical" membership card?
;D
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Of course it is i couldn't beleive they were selling it when i saw it and th ephotos they had.Even the hiddens photos under the table with little stickys on certain body parts.
Amazing......
I wonder why they just don't set up a booth & sell gear right there. I mean if you can sell pornographic material at a booth....why can't you sell gear? We'll even get a Doctor involved to fill prescriptions that way it's legit.
;D
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I whole-heartedly agree that there needs to be a true performer-athlete union, but that is extremely unlikely as this point in time. If Bob can’t even get more then 6 Athletes to show enough interest to even attend a meeting, how can anybody gain enough support to entrench a Union in the IFBB?
So until then the IFBB (men’s division) has an athlete’s rep, whom is unpaid for his efforts and can only do little things and hopefully build up momentum and support to tackle the big outstanding issues. If Bob stands up and demands this or that Uncle Ben is just going to wipe the entire position off the map. This isn’t a Union and has no legal protection.
All the PDI supporters on here complain that Bob is a company man, remember Uncle Ben can decide that the position is not warranted for any reason and terminate the project. Then who would benefit? Bob would, it would free up more time to pursue his own career choices, allow him to make more money and to prepare for future shows, if that is his wish.
Please clarify why Bob should focus his attentions on Lee and letting him compete in another federation as opposed to concentrating on making the IFBB more profitable and fair to the majority of the athletes who as of now are loyal to the IFBB. In other words should the athletes rep forego all other avenues to help Lee? He is only one man with no staff; he cannot do it all alone.
Bottom line, everybody should stand up and support Bob in his efforts to change the corrupt system instead of trying to submarine his efforts. Who are you really helping when you do this?
I’m not saying I disagree with the idea that the professional athletes should be allowed to compete in both organizations. My point his get off your asses and help out to make it a reality if that is what you really want.
HDRCOR do you have a draft copy of that petition ready yet? I can help word it for you to take to all the other athletes if you like.
Bob should help all athletes be able to compete PDI and IFBB what does it hurt no body looses anything.The pros can make more money if they are let compete both and what is bad with that.
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Your missing my point love,
What I was trying to get across is that the IFBB can and probably will use what ever reason they deem necessary to achieve their goals. Unless you have really deep pockets your not going to be able to prove your case. Save your money for something positive. Buy Adela a new car.
As far as i know i m still an IFBB pro aren't i.
And yes you are still an IFBB pro, and hopefully always will be but we both know the reality here.
Fighting on here with the gentlemen that you want to represent you isn't helping anyone except a few dozen internet trolls.
Bob should help all athletes be able to compete PDI and IFBB what does it hurt no body looses anything.The pros can make more money if they are let compete both and what is bad with that.
Absolutely nothing if he believes that the PDI is a viable future. If he believes the PDI is going to go the way of the WBF then encouraging athletes to join their ranks is a step backward, because then they are going to have to come back to Ben with their tails between their legs or quit competing. Focusing on fixing the IFBB isn't a bad thing either.
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Your missing my point love,
What I was trying to get across is that the IFBB can and probably will use what ever reason they deem necessary to achieve their goals. Unless you have really deep pockets your not going to be able to prove your case. Save your money for something positive. Buy Adela a new car.
ALREADY DID THAT
And yes you are still an IFBB pro, and hopefully always will be but we both know the reality here.
Fighting on here with the gentlemen that you want to represent you isn't helping anyone except a few dozen internet trolls.
IS HE REPRESENTING ME.MMMMMMM
Absolutely nothing if he believes that the PDI is a viable future. If he believes the PDI is going to go the way of the WBF then encouraging athletes to join their ranks is a step backward, because then they are going to have to come back to Ben with their tails between their legs or quit competing. Focusing on fixing the IFBB isn't a bad thing either.
AND IF IT FAILED BIG DEAL WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE THEIR TALES BETWEEN THEIR LEGS.JUST LET THEM COMPETE IN ANY ORGANIZATION TO MAKE MONEY.
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AND IF IT FAILED BIG DEAL WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE THEIR TALES BETWEEN THEIR LEGS.JUST LET THEM COMPETE IN ANY ORGANIZATION TO MAKE MONEY.
In a perfect world this would be the case. But until Ben dies in a horrible depends accident it just isn't going to happen. Maybe if more top tier athletes join you the IFBB will bend. I just don't see it happening. Do you?
Care to buy me a car then? ;D
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Honestly I don't have a solution for this dilemma.
But I do know that the change must come from within the IFBB itself, and right now supporting Bob is the best chance there is. Come to think of it, it is the only chance.
I'm thinking I am not on Lee and Adela's Christmas card list anymore. :'(
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Its no secret shit i will tell you BB.COM has given me a few thousand here and there to put their logo on the dragster for races i have done.
Lee
Nothing wrong with that...why is that an issue? Racing is expensive...everyone who races goes after sponsors.
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AND IF IT FAILED BIG DEAL WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE THEIR TALES BETWEEN THEIR LEGS.JUST LET THEM COMPETE IN ANY ORGANIZATION TO MAKE MONEY.
Why would someone put stories in between their legs? ???
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IFBB probodybuilders are independent contractors. they are not in sports.
independent contractor = divide and conquer!
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Why would someone put stories in between their legs? ???
hardy har har.
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independent contractor = divide and conquer!
you got it...sweetheart deals for some...nothing for others
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hardy har har.
I'm a comic genius ;D
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Why would someone put stories in between their legs? ???
Oh come on.
I am sure many of you guys have put a magazine or two between your legs one time or another.
That is Alexxx's favourite position. Alexxx on top, girl in magazine.
:-* :-*
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Lee, please... please read this.
Not my area of expertise, but I just had to chime in on this one.
This is a problem of power... and there is a simple answer to all this, CHANGE THE BALANCE OF POWER!
Step 1:
Get a lawyer to draw up a membership contract which would unionise the competitors: an agreement (in principle) to abide by the rules and regulations (and be a member) of the hypothetical union described in the contract, with a few stipulations:
-the membership of the signed athlete (and the existence of the contract) remains secret till a point in time when at least 75% of all active pro bodybuilders have signed similar contracts
-once the membership requirement has been met the union becomes official and the contract becomes binding
-should the union fail to come into existence in a period of say, one year, the contract becomes null and void
This way you could draw up an ideal contract descibing the kind of union the athletes want, in secret, without anyone ever being any the wiser... until it was too late.
Imagine the hissy fit the Weider brothers would throw if it was suddenly announced that IFBB Pros had unionised, elected their own leadership and three quarters of them had signed binding contracts that forbade them from competing in events that weren't sanctioned by the union. Not only that, the union athletes are legally bound to boycott any event in which non union athletes are competing.
Ask yourself...
Wouldn't it be cool if the athletes union was charging both the promoter and the IFBB a sanctioning fee... wouldn't that be ironic?
How about judges being blackballed by competitors?
How about promoters having to disclose their profit margins to the athletes union?
What about the union setting the prize money?
What about the union demanding prepayment for prizes, seminars, guest appearances, guest posings?
What about the union running and promoting their own shows?
Would we still need the IFBB??
It's that simple you wingeing bitches... just hire The Luke... put this evil genius to work FOR YOU, TODAY!!
I'd take over the IFBB in two weeks.
The Luke
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Thanks, Blonde also. I wasn't always a stripper. I used to be an EMT-A until I burned out. Stripping is my brain dead, no stress alternative for now.
You're a woman??
Oops.
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Maybe, unless they do a paternity test and find out that God was not the father :'(
LOL
I've been wanting a paternity test, too, but both my Jewish and gentile brethren hath given me shit for that.
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You're a woman??
Oops.
I was when I woke up this morning, I hope I still am.
I'm off to have a shower I'll check again for you.
:-* :-*
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chick, you don't seem to realize (or been told not acknowledge)
that the PDI will force the IFBB to up its game (prize money), just like the WBF did.
Not necessarily...The PDI would first have to actually have a few shows just to establish that they'll be around for longer than a few minutes....
They then would have to have contracts or prize money high enough to lure some of the top guys over to their fed....
As far as I know...no athletes are being offered guaranteed contracts to switch over to the PDI...just the chance to compete for a few $30K purses....
McMahon actually PAID guys to come over to the WBF...big difference.
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Not necessarily...The PDI would first have to actually have a few shows just to establish that they'll be around for longer than a few minutes....
They then would have to have contracts or prize money high enough to lure some of the top guys over to their fed....
As far as I know...no athletes are being offered guaranteed contracts to switch over to the PDI...just the chance to compete for a few $30K purses....
McMahon actually PAID guys to come over to the WBF...big difference.
White vato straight crunk on that haterade ese.
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Until we either see a pic, or someone completely credible on here vouches for you, we'll have to assume you're Sarcasm in drag. ::)
I'll agree with that.
Seems pretty gimmick to me
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Until we either see a pic, or someone completely credible on here vouches for you, we'll have to assume you're Sarcasm in drag. ::)
That is true, NiceRacq. It's an internet thing - *everyone* is a guy until 'verified'.
I will, however, be mindful to use the feminine pronouns when speaking of you in the future.
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Until we either see a pic, or someone completely credible on here vouches for you, we'll have to assume you're Sarcasm in drag. ::)
Why would you care so much? ::)
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Okay ask the Rhino, he has seen my picture.
Which is more then anybody else is going to see on here so don't even bother asking.
Is he credible enough for everybody to stop asking for a photo?
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Okay ask the Rhino, he has seen my picture.
Which is more then anybody else is going to see on here so don't even bother asking.
Is he credible enough for everybody to stop asking for a photo?
No, he's not. He would need to have met you in person.
No biggie, though. I can treat you like an 'internet girl', so long as you understand that most of us believe you're a guy.
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No, he's not. He would need to have met you in person.
No biggie, though. I can treat you like an 'internet girl', so long as you understand that most of us believe you're a guy.
That works for me I guess, people believing I am a guy is "safer" for me.
You guys can think I am a trained poodle if it makes you happy.
I'm just getting tired of people asking for pictures.
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That works for me I guess, people believing I am a guy is "safer" for me.
You guys can think I am a trained poodle if it makes you happy.
I'm just getting tired of people asking for pictures.
Hard to believe how childish men will sometimes act on the internet. :-\
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You came up with a username of "NiceRacq" and you expected any less? ::)
NiceRacq = Nice Racquel
My name is Racquel
Everybody just assumes it means something else, which in its own way is alot of fun.
But truthfully it is just my name.
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:D hahahahahahahahahahaha 240 for president!!
I especially like the addition of weedoutheweak to the video.
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yeah, i think it was a half hour well spent. i had worked all day and just needed to goof off a bit. hadn't done one in a while.
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Please I hope this isn't Chic after the NOC is such a success and more IFBB guys annouce after the New York Pro.
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Please I hope this isn't Chic after the NOC is such a success and more IFBB guys annouce after the New York Pro.
BUUUWWWWWAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Onlyme! Dont kill me! My abs explode!!
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Not necessarily...The PDI would first have to actually have a few shows just to establish that they'll be around for longer than a few minutes....
They then would have to have contracts or prize money high enough to lure some of the top guys over to their fed....
As far as I know...no athletes are being offered guaranteed contracts to switch over to the PDI...just the chance to compete for a few $30K purses....
McMahon actually PAID guys to come over to the WBF...big difference.
chick, you forget that demillia has already stated that he is not after the top tier pros.
the concept of the PDI is to cater to the more aesthetic bodybuilder (mostly found in the current 2nd tier)
when the IFBB is no longer the best game in town, then they'll have to change their $ distribution
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Please I hope this isn't Chic after the NOC is such a success and more IFBB guys annouce after the New York Pro.
Better hopw it aint Wayne...!
You seem to think I'm looking for the PDI to fail...I'm not. I hope it's a rousing success and that all the athletes participating in it make some major bank. All the power...
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Hey Bob...off topic...just curious...does your recent win qualify you for the Olympia,and if so are you going to do it?
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yeah, i think it was a half hour well spent. i had worked all day and just needed to goof off a bit. hadn't done one in a while.
oh god thats some funny sh*t! good work! :D
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Hey Bob...off topic...just curious...does your recent win qualify you for the Olympia,and if so are you going to do it?
Yes it does....
I'll be on the Olympia stage...as the MC.
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Yes it does....
I'll be on the Olympia stage...as the MC.
Why are you not going to compete? Have you officially retired?
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Because I commited to hosting the show 6 months ago...
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Because I commited to hosting the show 6 months ago...
Well that is cool that you honor that,but at the same time the IFBB would have to understand you backing out to compete...I wouldn't think it would be too hard for them to replace you...congrats on your win by the way.
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Hate posting at the bottom of a page when other people are exchanging punchlines. Nothing you write gets noticed....
I reckon this is germaine to the discussion, so much so that I'm going to reiterate my diabolical plan.
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Lee, please... please read this.
Not my area of expertise, but I just had to chime in on this one.
This is a problem of power... and there is a simple answer to all this, CHANGE THE BALANCE OF POWER!
Step 1:
Get a lawyer to draw up a membership contract which would unionise the competitors: an agreement (in principle) to abide by the rules and regulations (and be a member) of the hypothetical union described in the contract, with a few stipulations:
-the membership of the signed athlete (and the existence of the contract) remains secret till a point in time when at least 75% of all active pro bodybuilders have signed similar contracts
-once the membership requirement has been met the union becomes official and the contract becomes binding
-should the union fail to come into existence in a period of say, one year, the contract becomes null and void
This way you could draw up an ideal contract descibing the kind of union the athletes want, in secret, without anyone ever being any the wiser... until it was too late.
Imagine the hissy fit the Weider brothers would throw if it was suddenly announced that IFBB Pros had unionised, elected their own leadership and three quarters of them had signed binding contracts that forbade them from competing in events that weren't sanctioned by the union. Not only that, the union athletes are legally bound to boycott any event in which non union athletes are competing.
Ask yourself...
Wouldn't it be cool if the athletes union was charging both the promoter and the IFBB a sanctioning fee... wouldn't that be ironic?
How about judges being blackballed by competitors?
How about promoters having to disclose their profit margins to the athletes union?
What about the union setting the prize money?
What about the union demanding prepayment for prizes, seminars, guest appearances, guest posings?
What about the union running and promoting their own shows?
Would we still need the IFBB??
It's that simple you wingeing bitches... just hire The Luke... put this evil genius to work FOR YOU, TODAY!!
I'd take over the IFBB in two weeks.
The Luke
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That would be good.
Is aw STICK IT the movie today,it was OK but i really enjoyed the way the gymnast turned it around on the judges and they picked the winner of each event.Now if we could do that :)
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That would be good.
Is aw STICK IT the movie today,it was OK but i really enjoyed the way the gymnast turned it around on the judges and they picked the winner of each event.Now if we could do that :)
Yes besides the hot star, I loved that twist.
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Maybe we have a resolution of this discussion then?
Give the extra $50k to me, The Luke, and I'll take over the IFBB in a glorious bloodless coup.
The Luke
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That would be good.
Is aw STICK IT the movie today,it was OK but i really enjoyed the way the gymnast turned it around on the judges and they picked the winner of each event.Now if we could do that :)
I would shit myself if I seen someone walk over and hand the 1 st place hardware and cheque to someone who was robbed at a pro show. Your right Lee that only happens in the movies!