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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk => Natural Bodybuilding => Topic started by: McFarland on October 13, 2006, 08:52:23 AM
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A couple of Team Universe contestants I found on Graphic Muscle. Discuss...
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No drugs.
They are natural.
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they're both tiny but look incredible.
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My next pictures that I post of my physique will be that lean and leaner.
Very impressive!
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wow that kid is dry to the bone...sick
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It is very easy to spot a natural physique and those are great ones.
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The guy on the left is Owning the other dude.... damn look how guant that kids face is....eat a steak bro!!
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Impressive.
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A couple of Team Universe contestants I found on Graphic Muscle. Discuss...
damn the guy on the left has some monsta triceps. i want big outerhead like that to. Unfortunately i have a big inner head like the guy on thr guy to the right :-\
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No drugs.
They are natural.
when people say bbing is genectic's it is,they have good genectic's to get lean,dry hardness,shape,don't know their wght class,when u put the size with all that then u have a great bber,these guy's have a part of it,if they are clean then they will not get the size the unnatural get and that conditioning,otherwise very good conditioning..
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when people say bbing is genectic's it is,they have good genectic's to get lean,dry hardness,shape,don't know their wght class,when u put the size with all that then u have a great bber,these guy's have a part of it,if they are clean then they will not get the size the unnatural get and that conditioning,otherwise very good conditioning..
Conditioning CAN be MATCHED to any juicer by a LIFETIME NATURAL.
And ANYBODY can be 2-3 percent bodyfat. ANYBODY.....Its just knowing how to get there.
I will show you all. That is a promise and I want all of you to hold me to it.
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My new pictures will be at a WAY WAY lower Bodyfat than the Mr. Getbig pictures.
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My next pictures that I post of my physique will be that lean and leaner.
Very impressive!
Yes, that was my point. I wanna see what you're capable of, and this level of conditioning is about as good as you'll see anywhere, so there you go. Let's see what you're made of.
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My new pictures will be at a WAY WAY lower Bodyfat than the Mr. Getbig pictures.
I'll take you up on that...if it works WITHOUT losing to much muscle i will try it and see how it goes... :)
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Here's a slight variation, you can see a little more of differet parts. Simply amazing...
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these guys look awesome, they show that you don't have to be huge to look incredible.
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My new pictures will be at a WAY WAY lower Bodyfat than the Mr. Getbig pictures.
don't pose in front of a black background. that was a mistake.
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monster Ectomorphism
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Conditioning is the one thing that can be achieved by anyone as long as they know how.
I find a better conditioned person way more impressive than a fat,hulking mass.
Thanks, Jeff for posting these.
Also,
Can you post some of your natural friend(at least I think he was natural) with the veins in his legs from Tennessee.
I need to have these as standards as I will meet or exceed them...That is a promise.
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That guy is ripped .......cross striations in the triceps like that are rarely seen.
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thee guys look awesome, they show that you don't have to be huge to look incredible.
Listen...here's where you need faith as a bodybuilder...with 15-20 pounds of fat and water on top of that shit he'd look like your typical Arnold Classic expo booth bum. There is a very fine line at the end that you cross that puts you over the edge in terms of your OH SHIT factor. You gotta keep pushin' but right there at the end the impression is universal. This is a respectable bodybuilder by most anyone's standards. Most juicers will recognize this guy as just as hardcore as them, and I think that may be one fundamental factor we're dealing with here in all the hate issues regarding juiced vs. naturals. Perhaps the naturals are offended by a perception of the juicers' general disregard.
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Wow. I'm going on a diet.
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Wow. I'm going on a diet.
Didn't you say that last time???
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This joker's shredded. Look where the tip of the teardrop originates. That's how you know. It's interesting how alot of IFBB pros can get striations and many more of the hallmark signs of being ripped, but you know this guy got close to the end because of the depth you see there in the quad insertions and stuff. See that guy could play with his carbs over the next couple of weeks and look a million different variations of awesome. Even natural. I've seen it done a few times and it's really impressive the dramatic physiological changes that take place in a physique this conditioned. You need a physique that is conditioned to a very finite and consistent diet to reach a level like this, IMO. When you are here you are able to stimulate visibly dramatic changes in your look by not-so-dramatic dietary changes, if you consider food intake changes inside of 150-300 calories a day relatively insignificant.
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Listen...here's where you need faith as a bodybuilder...with 15-20 pounds of fat and water on top of that shit he'd look like your typical Arnold Classic expo booth bum. There is a very fine line at the end that you cross that puts you over the edge in terms of your OH SHIT factor. You gotta keep pushin' but right there at the end the impression is universal. This is a respectable bodybuilder by most anyone's standards. Most juicers will recognize this guy as just as hardcore as them, and I think that may be one fundamental factor we're dealing with here in all the hate issues regarding juiced vs. naturals. Perhaps the naturals are offended by a perception of the juicers' general disregard.
VERY GOOD POINT!
I cannot wait to show you guys my next level of leanness.
These photos are perfection in my mind. I think everyone needs to realize that ANY LEVEL of CONDITIONING IS POSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO ATTAIN, as long as they know how.
And,indeed. I have the how figured out. At this point it is a waiting game of my choosing.
There is no difficulty anymore. And I will show you that.
And yes, I will still eat Ice Cream and Cookies and Doughnuts whilst doing so!
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VERY GOOD POINT!
I cannot wait to show you guys my next level of leanness.
These photos are perfection in my mind. I think everyone needs to realize that ANY LEVEL of CONDITIONING IS POSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO ATTAIN, as long as they know how.
And,indeed. I have the how figured out. At this point it is a waiting game of my choosing.
There is no difficulty anymore. And I will show you that.
And yes, I will still eat Ice Cream and Cookies and Doughnuts whilst doing so!
shut up no one was talking to you!
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And yes, I will still eat Ice Cream and Cookies and Doughnuts whilst doing so!
stop with the bs nobody belives that...
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shut up no one was talking to you!
You are a mere boy to me with no direction or thought out plan.
Jeff knows my intelligence and unrelenting nature combined with intense work ethic.
If I want to make something happen, I do. I am going to go ultra-ultra low bodyfat very soon.
I am about 3-5 lbs leaner than the MR. Getbig Pictures and I have not changed a thing in my diet.
I have all detailed records written down, I know EXACTLY what I am doing and have figured out the absolute best possible method for myself.
I will be crowned as the leanest natural on this board whenever I choose.
I would like that to be a competition on this board with greats who champion leanness such as Tim Wescott entering.....Possibly I can think of how this can be carried out.
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Adonis I bring up this point to say this...part of bodybuilding competition is having the ability to peak at just the right time. I mean, at the end...if you're close to being the best there is, timing is at least 25% of it. Now I know you're trying to educate the masses on how to look relatively great, even impressive to most using the path of least resistance required...but look...realize that this is an element to physique competition that is not really addressed in an online bodybuilding competition. I'm guessing that you know yourself that it is very hard to peak at just the right time, just based on the fact that you took 800 photos and actually turned in your pictures a whole day late to Mindspin. Wasn't that the story? I'm simply asking that you give a little more respect to those that choose to put themselves on a stage where many of the variables that you maintain control of in an online competition are completely out of their hands. Realize that perhaps this is another element of competition that the competitors crave that is met by their stepping on a "high school auditorium stage" that is not born of homosexuality, or at least any moreso than our appreciation expressed here for what we see in these pictures.
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stop with the bs nobody belives that...
Whenever I choose to go to my ultra low state,
I will video my meals and me eating them and post them on You Tube daily.
I want to show the non-believers what is possible.
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What irks me is the people on the boards who consider these types of physiques swimmer builds.........it`s a cinch they never dieted down before.
Not everyone,juiced or natural, can weigh 270 on stage ripped,and most would not want to look like that on a day to day basis anyway.
To get shredded like the guy in the pics takes a lot more than just drugs..........doing it natural without any chemical aid is a testament to his dedication.
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Thanks Adam,but right now after 4 shows this year,I`m eating like a big dog buddy!! :)
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What irks me is the people on the boards who consider these types of physiques swimmer builds.........it`s a cinch they never dieted down before.
Not everyone,juiced or natural, can weigh 270 on stage ripped,and most would not want to look like that on a day to day basis anyway.
To get shredded like the guy in the pics takes a lot more than just drugs..........doing it natural without any chemical aid is a testament to his dedication.
Ok "Wes" ...i thought you were too GOOD to post here?
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Adonis I bring up this point to say this...part of bodybuilding competition is having the ability to peak at just the right time. I mean, at the end...if you're close to being the best there is, timing is at least 25% of it. Now I know you're trying to educate the masses on how to look relatively great, even impressive to most using the path of least resistance required...but look...realize that this is an element to physique competition that is not really addressed in an online bodybuilding competition. I'm guessing that you know yourself that it is very hard to peak at just the right time, just based on the fact that you took 800 photos and actually turned in your pictures a whole day late to Mindspin. Wasn't that the story? I'm simply asking that you give a little more respect to those that choose to put themselves on a stage where many of the variables that you maintain control of in an online competition are completely out of their hands. Realize that perhaps this is another element of competition that the competitors crave that is met by their stepping on a "high school auditorium stage" that is not born of homosexuality, or at least any moreso than our appreciation expressed here of what we see in these pictures.
I disagree.
If you do not have all your vairables in control, then yes, it may be hard to "peak".
But I have all of that covered and will show you. To me, bodybuilding has nothing to do with getting on a stage.
With my methodology, I can predict down to the EXACT HOUR even to the HALF HOUR an EXACT bodyfat level.
I suspect most will be skeptical and I invite that.
Because the more people that are skeptical as such, the greater the impact when I PROVE their skepticism as false.
If you look at this all scientifically, it really becomes TOO EASY.
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What irks me is the people on the boards who consider these types of physiques swimmer builds.........it`s a cinch they never dieted down before.
Not everyone,juiced or natural, can weigh 270 on stage ripped,and most would not want to look like that on a day to day basis anyway.
To get shredded like the guy in the pics takes a lot more than just drugs..........doing it natural without any chemical aid is a testament to his dedication.
I'm willing to bet that you don't hear a whole lot of negativity regarding those who DO juice come out of this guys' mouth. The natural tag is not to be used as an excuse for mediocrity. If you're natural, you have to suffer much more than a juicer to get your props...but when you do, you get the respect you're looking for from both sides. When you look at this guy, your number one reaction isn't to want to give him a sandwich. That might come next, but your first reaction's always gonna be HOLY SHIT.
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JJ,I`ve been posting here longer than you !!
Just not ridiculously stupid posts bro,so I don`t post much.
I never said I was too good,you did.
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I hear ya` McJeff........that guy looks far better IMO,than a lot of overly bloated pros out there.
Nowadays,the pros do not have the density and graininess of old!!
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Adonis I bring up this point to say this...part of bodybuilding competition is having the ability to peak at just the right time. I mean, at the end...if you're close to being the best there is, timing is at least 25% of it. Now I know you're trying to educate the masses on how to look relatively great, even impressive to most using the path of least resistance required...but look...realize that this is an element to physique competition that is not really addressed in an online bodybuilding competition. I'm guessing that you know yourself that it is very hard to peak at just the right time, just based on the fact that you took 800 photos and actually turned in your pictures a whole day late to Mindspin. Wasn't that the story? I'm simply asking that you give a little more respect to those that choose to put themselves on a stage where many of the variables that you maintain control of in an online competition are completely out of their hands. Realize that perhaps this is another element of competition that the competitors crave that is met by their stepping on a "high school auditorium stage" that is not born of homosexuality, or at least any moreso than our appreciation expressed here for what we see in these pictures.
And regarding my pictures to Mindspin,
No that is not the story. The pictures were taken several days before. There was a miscommunication of the emailing date. That is all.
I did NOTHING to "peak" for my pictures either....5 mintues before those pictures I ate a Whopper from Burger King and had some fries.
I did nothing to manipulate sodium or water, simply because there was no reason to do so.
That is a simple process as well.
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McFarland is an idiot ;D
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I disagree.
If you do not have all your vairables in control, then yes, it may be hard to "peak".
But I have all of that covered and will show you. To me, bodybuilding has nothing to do with getting on a stage.
With my methodology, I can predict down to the EXACT HOUR even to the HALF HOUR an EXACT bodyfat level.
I suspect most will be skeptical and I invite that.
Because the more people that are skeptical as such, the greater the impact when I PROVE their skepticism as false.
If you look at this all scientifically, it really becomes TOO EASY.
You're not gonna rub ANYONE here the right way when you imply that you know how to look like that guy and that you know how to do so effortlessly. Looking like that is not effortless, Adam. You have yet to show us conditioning like that. What do you think that guy would say to you if you walked up to him in your present condition and told him that you think this shit is easy?
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And regarding my pictures to Mindspin,
No that is not the story. The pictures were taken several days before. There was a miscommunication of the emailing date. That is all.
I did NOTHING to "peak" for my pictures either....5 mintues before those pictures I ate a Whopper from Burger King and had some fries.
I did nothing to manipulate sodium or water, simply because there was no reason to do so.
That is a simple process as well.
By eating a whopper with fries, you DID manipulate both sodium and water.
For someone who claims to be so knowledgable in nutrition and the human body, surely you understand the sodium/potassium pump and how it responds to sodium ingestion with and without the presence of water ingestion.
Monster contradiction
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McFarland is an idiot ;D
OK "Warchild" oh brother what a fucking name NO YOU ARE STUPID YOU MONSTER homo ;D
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I'm willing to bet that you don't hear a whole lot of negativity regarding those who DO juice come out of this guys' mouth. The natural tag is not to be used as an excuse for mediocrity. If you're natural, you have to suffer much more than a juicer to get your props...but when you do, you get the respect you're looking for from both sides. When you look at this guy, your number one reaction isn't to want to give him a sandwich. That might come next, but your first reaction's always gonna be HOLY SHIT.
I don`t think people use the Natural status as an excuse for mediocrity at all.
There has to be a clear line drawn between natural and drugged and it should be noted as such as both physiques are largely different.
In my opinion, A natural physique is WAY MORE PLEASING and DESIRABLE. Once again, My opinion.
I do not hate any juicer because they juice. I only hate the ones that confuse their genetics with an injection. The fact is, There are NO naturals under 6 ft and weighing a 200 lbs Absolutely shredded like the aforementioned picture posted. I can swallow that pill as size is NOT WHAT I AM AFTER.
What I AM AFTER, is nobodys ideal. I am after my own Ideal. How I CAN be my best NATURALLY.
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I also hold disdain for those that use a Drugged Physique as the standard to judge a Natural Physique.
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You're not gonna rub ANYONE here the right way when you imply that you know how to look like that guy and that you know how to do so effortlessly. Looking like that is not effortless, Adam. You have yet to show us conditioning like that. What do you think that guy would say to you if you walked up to him in your present condition and told him that you think this shit is easy?
EXCACTLY. That's why you get the shit you do TA, your "imperialistic" attitude is half the reason people can't stand your ass.
McFarland is an idiot ;D
Actually, Jeff had one of the coolest threads of all time back on mayhem, Jeff, that thread was fantastic, loved it. Very cool stuff there, Jeff's not an idiot, I've heard some wierd stuff but I don't know him at all I can only go off of his posts and he seems like he knows what he's talking about and isn't self obsessed like some other guys on here...(TA)...
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OK "Warchild" oh brother what a fucking name NO YOU ARE STUPID YOU MONSTER homo ;D
Be nice Jeffers
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You're not gonna rub ANYONE here the right way when you imply that you know how to look like that guy and that you know how to do so effortlessly. Looking like that is not effortless, Adam. You have yet to show us conditioning like that. What do you think that guy would say to you if you walked up to him in your present condition and told him that you think this shit is easy?
And what will you say when I prove you wrong?
I have already done this a few times regarding other issues.
And I will again. Give me due time and I will show you.
What will you say?
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I also hold disdain for those that use a Drugged Physique as the standard to judge a Natural Physique.
How come you always avoid my questions Adonis?
It's quite funny to me to know that you can't answer my questions with your usual unfounded logic.....so you just avoid them.
This is about the 10th question you've avoided of mine.
You DID manipulate sodium and water for your pics, and you said it in your OWN post.
Or do you not understand the human body as you say you do?
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And what will you say when I prove you wrong?
I have already done this a few times regarding other issues.
And I will again. Give me due time and I will show you.
What will you say?
Talking is fun!
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Furthermore, Use some logic Jeff.
If I am about 5 lbs leaner than the Mr Getbig Pictures,controlling all of my vairables, No Cardio,
What do you think is going to happen?
I have no choice but to keep getting leaner.....AND ITS TOO EASY!
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Furthermore, Use some logic Jeff.
If I am about 5 lbs leaner than the Mr Getbig Pictures,controlling all of my vairables, No Cardio,
What do you think is going to happen?
I have no choice but to keep getting leaner.....AND ITS TOO EASY!
So the fat around your navel is gone now?
No more gaping belly button?
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Be nice Jeffers
Dude I'm playing.
Like this, Adonis. Look like this.
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By eating a whopper with fries, you DID manipulate both sodium and water.
For someone who claims to be so knowledgable in nutrition and the human body, surely you understand the sodium/potassium pump and how it responds to sodium ingestion with and without the presence of water ingestion.
Monster contradiction
I did not imply manipulation methods.
I ate like I did normally the whole day and the weeks prior.
I will post my diet on that day if you would like.
I KNOW how to manipulate all of that when the time is right. I did not manipulate those variables at all.
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Dude I'm playing.
Like this, Adonis. Look like this.
Of course. I will be as lean or even leaner. USING my method. Eating WHATEVER I WANT!
You never addressed my prior concern and I wish you to do so:If I am about 5 lbs leaner than the Mr Getbig Pictures,controlling all of my vairables, No Cardio,
What do you think is going to happen?
I have no choice but to keep getting leaner.....AND ITS TOO EASY!
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HAHAHAHA
yes you did. Not everyone is an idiot Adonis.
Some of the fools may believe what you say. But....not everyone is a moron.
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HAHAHAHA
yes you did. Not everyone is an idiot Adonis.
Some of the fools may believe what you say. But....not everyone is a moron.
I will post my diet log of that day, and a few days prior.
You can also find my posts where I state that I am doing NO Sodium or water manipulation whatsoever.
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Furthermore, Use some logic Jeff.
If I am about 5 lbs leaner than the Mr Getbig Pictures,controlling all of my vairables, No Cardio,
What do you think is going to happen?
I have no choice but to keep getting leaner.....AND ITS TOO EASY!
how much is fat and how much is muscle......
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how much is fat and how much is muscle......
beat me to it
I'm fairly certain thats why je grossly over-estimates people's bodyfat %. That way, he can make his calculations make sense for how he drops weight but never an ounce of muscle ::)
Hmmm... I've got abs, but I'm a natural, 6'0" and weight 195, I must be around 30% Bf on TA's scale.
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I will post my diet log of that day, and a few days prior.
You can also find my posts where I state that I am doing NO Sodium or water manipulation whatsoever.
Please do....
Although much like you would not believe anyone more impressive than you is natural.....I have the right to not believe one word of your diet outline.
But, if you do post the truth, I may look it over and let you know how you did manipulate your water balance.
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Furthermore, Use some logic Jeff.
If I am about 5 lbs leaner than the Mr Getbig Pictures,controlling all of my vairables, No Cardio,
What do you think is going to happen?
I have no choice but to keep getting leaner.....AND ITS TOO EASY!
Of course you have another choice.... you are loosing muscles... You did not have much to start and you are now burning the little that you had....
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You will not say all these things after you have posted a picture in this conditioning, Adonis. Humility is said to be a prerequisite of devinity for these reasons.
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You will not say all these things after you have posted a picture in this conditioning, Adonis.
what's that dudes name...just wondering, he's mega ripped...
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McFarland, do you know the guy in the pictures? If so, is it possible he would post on here what his diet is like? Unbelievable pics. Anytime Adonis claims he is the best natural, just post one of those pics, lol.
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how much is fat and how much is muscle......
You will find, that with proper training, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to lose any muscle.
You can look to the effect muscle atrophy in Astronauts in a Zero-G enviroment if you need some validation of the importance of gravity and resistance. They eat a perfect high-calorie diet, but lose muscle mass at an alarming rate due to little usage of muscle fibers.
Since I am getting adequate nutrition and stressing all of my muscle fibers heavily, No muscle loss occurs.
Use Science. Not lies and gym science.
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You will not say all these things after you have posted a picture in this conditioning, Adonis.
Harder work doesn`t equate to being more effective.
How effective is building a house with a toy hammer?
Sure it can be done and is way harder, but is it better?
Jeff, you said to me on the phone, "I am not sure I have ever been as lean as you in those pictures"
And I remember hearing how you struggled and were telling everyone how hard it is.
If you never have gotten that lean and I did, and I did so VERY EASILY WITHOUT ANY DIFFICULTY OR STURGGLE,
Then why are you going to doubt that It IS EASY?
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Of course you have another choice.... you are loosing muscles... You did not have much to start and you are now burning the little that you had....
It doesn`t work like that.
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No drugs.
They are natural.
What make you think that? Any prove? You know those guys? What I mean is that you have no way in hell to say that they haven't use any gear by looking just their face and one arm. It is ridiculous even thing you can, but you are ridiculous guy so I'm not surprised at all, so let me explain something to you: Do not trust your eyes. There is something wrong with them. Why do I say so? I have seen some photos where you think you look fabulous, but no one else see you that way. Everybody else think you are just a delusional little prick, who look like he has start lifting weight just yesterday...ok, that may be little harsh, but I haven't see anybody who is so in love to himself like you. I bet that you have some bad experiences with some male relatives of yours, maybe your cousin buttfu*ck you all the time, and your behavior is just a defence mechanism born from that experience. Abused children's have such a disturbed self image like you have, no one else have the reason for that.
What comes these two dudes, I say they have been on gear. Why? Because there is just about no BB;er who doesn't use. So simple. Even schoolboys are on gear, so why doesn't these dudes? They have some motivation, some reason to build up their body, so why do it the hard way? If you do, you never be anything in business. You train 5 years to find out that 15 year old guys on gear look bigger than you after their first year of training. Why don't you face the fact and believe that there isn't such thing as natural bodybuilder.
If you really look these guys, what you see? Some dudes who have build nice triceps. Both of them have a big nose and a face which only mother can trust, so what is the reason to think that they haven't be on gear? They say so? I look all the pictures of this thread, and if that guy is natural, I need some hard evidence for that before I believe it.
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What make you think that? Any prove? You know those guys? What I mean is that you have no way in hell to say that they haven't use any gear by looking just their face and one arm. It is ridiculous even thing you can, but you are ridiculous guy so I'm not surprised at all, so let me explain something to you: Do not trust your eyes. There is something wrong with them. Why do I say so? I have seen some photos where you think you look fabulous, but no one else see you that way. Everybody else think you are just a delusional little prick, who look like he has start lifting weight just yesterday...ok, that may be little harsh, but I haven't see anybody who is so in love to himself like you. I bet that you have some bad experiences with some male relatives of yours, maybe your cousin buttfu*ck you all the time, and your behavior is just a defence mechanism born from that experience. Abused children's have such a disturbed self image like you have, no one else have the reason for that.
What comes these two dudes, I say they have been on gear. Why? Because there is just about no BB;er who doesn't use. So simple. Even schoolboys are on gear, so why doesn't these dudes? They have some motivation, some reason to build up their body, so why do it the hard way? If you do, you never be anything in business. You train 5 years to find out that 15 year old guys on gear look bigger than you after their first year of training. Why don't you face the fact and believe that there isn't such thing as natural bodybuilder.
If you really look these guys, what you see? Some dudes who have build nice triceps. Both of them have a big nose and a face which only mother can trust, so what is the reason to think that they haven't be on gear? They say so? I look all the pictures of this thread, and if that guy is natural, I need some hard evidence for that before I believe it.
Jeff`s word is all I need.
I can also tell by my extensive research on the matter.
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It doesn`t work like that.
wHAT DO YOU MEAN IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT.. Weight loss can come from loss of fat or muscles (am not talking aobut water).... So yes it could be muscles...
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Furthermore, Use some logic Jeff.
If I am about 5 lbs leaner than the Mr Getbig Pictures,controlling all of my vairables, No Cardio,
What do you think is going to happen?
I have no choice but to keep getting leaner.....AND ITS TOO EASY!
I think logic leaves something to be desired when attempting to accurately predict the future...especially around this place! ;D
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Jeff`s word is all I need.
I can also tell by my extensive research on the matter.
Ok. You mean that it is so very uncommon that bb:ers lie about their use, that we have to take their word about it? HAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHAAHHhhahhah haa...huh..HAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAH HAHHAHHAAHHAH..you are such a clown. I bet that you suck yourself before you go to sleep, and I don't mean thumb.
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I think logic leaves something to be desired when attempting to accurately predict the future...especially around this place! ;D
You are not predicting anything.
Simply following a mathematical equation that is absolute given if you know how and what vairables to control.
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Jeff`s word is all I need.
I can also tell by my extensive research on the matter.
He has a pretty natural look to him...I'd be interested in knowing how much he weighs and how tall he is. But I knew a guy like him when I was a teen that competed in natural shows and this is how the dude brought it. I have no idea who this guy is...but THIS is lean, and THIS is the sort of lean that you'd expect to see many more veins and cross striations, especially up top, in a physique that was chemically enhanced. In clothes you wouldn't know he trained looking like this but when you can pull up your sleeve or your lower shirt over your abs and flash that sort of shit it's entirely worth it to me. This is a unique type of conditioning only possible by naturals IMO. I've seen it in at least 2 people and I really don't think they were lying. The one guy was 5'9"-5'10" and competed at 165-167 and the other dude was 6'1 and a half and come in at like 203-206 and just be out of this world shredded...he'd be in the gym working out and have cross striations in every head of both his triceps and quads (even starting to show in the rectus) and he'd be 210. I know that age and time change perception, but that guy there is just about what I remember those guys looking like and I'm pretty sure they were natural.
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wHAT DO YOU MEAN IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT.. Weight loss can come from loss of fat or muscles (am not talking aobut water).... So yes it could be muscles...
Muscle loss does not occur that easily. It is VERY hard. Do some research on the matter. I have dieted using traditional methods and have found them not efficient at all. I was also smaller and weaker using those methods. I did not lose muscle then or now, but I did in fact find my NEW METHOD far more effcient and TOO EASY.
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But hey...looking at that guy again, he MIGHT BE on drugs. I honestly can't say I'm for certain. I've seen alot of shit now, so I don't know. But let's take into consideration that this guy IS certainly NOT big by, say, Sarcasm's standards ;D and we honestly have to wonder if he's on steroids because something about his look is so impressive. Look at him sitting here in regular clothes, though. At any rate, there needs to be some more appreciation given to guys who can be sliced like this AND look big in clothes. It's really not for me to say whether this guy is juiced or not. Draw your own conclusions. I'm sure if Adonis doesn't come to look like this he will come to believe that he is on drugs. He will NEED to hold this belief to maintain his sense of self-worth as long as image is his primary determinant of worth. There are alot of things that people can use to determine their own self-worth. It usually happens to be that people judge their own self-worth based on their own perceived most outstanding qualities. If they find that their abilities aren't as unique as they once suspected in these respective arenas, they usually will move on in an attempt to find something else to be "special" at.
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hahaha, this dude absolutely sh1ts on True Hobbitt......True Hobbitt, you need to to shut it man, for reals, you look like a mutant, u arent the best natural or the best anything, u have maybe the ugliest face ive ever seen in my life, zip your lip buddy, u aint nothing, im not trying to be rude but your not.
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But hey...looking at that guy again, he MIGHT BE on drugs. I honestly can't say I'm for certain. I've seen alot of shit now, so I don't know. But let's take into consideration that this guy IS certainly NOT big by, say, Sarcasm's standards ;D and we honestly have to wonder if he's on steroids because something about his look is so impressive. Look at him sitting here in regular clothes, though. At any rate, there needs to be some more appreciation given to guys who can be sliced like this AND look big in clothes. It's really not for me to say whether this guy is juiced or not. Draw your own conclusions. I'm sure if Adonis doesn't come to look like this he will come to believe that he is on drugs.
Not at all.
You interject false notions that I have never concieved or spouted.
I will call ALL DRUGS when there is ALL DRUGS.
I do not apply myself to my judging standards of all drugs. That is where you are DEAD WRONG!
That guy to me, is natural. Plain and simple.
Steve Reeves looks better than most drug users and myself right now. Do I say ALL DRUGS about him?
NO! Your interjections are a lie and I wish you would stop with them as they are false.
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But hey...looking at that guy again, he MIGHT BE on drugs. I honestly can't say I'm for certain. I've seen alot of shit now, so I don't know. But let's take into consideration that this guy IS certainly NOT big by, say, Sarcasm's standards ;D and we honestly have to wonder if he's on steroids because something about his look is so impressive. Look at him sitting here in regular clothes, though. At any rate, there needs to be some more appreciation given to guys who can be sliced like this AND look big in clothes. It's really not for me to say whether this guy is juiced or not. Draw your own conclusions. I'm sure if Adonis doesn't come to look like this he will come to believe that he is on drugs.
Not at all.
You interject false notions that I have never concieved or spouted.
I will call ALL DRUGS when there is ALL DRUGS.
I do not apply myself to my judging standards of all drugs. That is where you are DEAD WRONG!
That guy to me, is natural. Plain and simple.
Steve Reeves looks better than most drug users and myself right now. Do I say ALL DRUGS about him?
NO! Your interjections are a lie and I wish you would stop with them as they are false.
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i find it hard to believe what u say True Hobbitt, like the old adage states.."Bill Gates doesnt brag about money"...Which is true, so why do you always have to prove how smart you are or how well you train or how you have found out how to achieve greatness???...seems to me you have a inferiority complex in addition to the low self esteem, b/c most bodybuilders in general have real low self esteem, hence why they try to perfect there bodies...haha, ur a schmoe.....by the why, vince will KO you in a ring, but if you really want a beat down, set something up in calif., i gaurentee you i will make it and make your hideuos face even uglier.
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i find it hard to believe what u say True Hobbitt, like the old adage states.."Bill Gates doesnt brag about money"...Which is true, so why do you always have to prove how smart you are or how well you train or how you have found out how to achieve greatness???...seems to me you have a inferiority complex in addition to the low self esteem, b/c most bodybuilders in general have real low self esteem, hence why they try to perfect there bodies...haha, ur a schmoe.....by the why, vince will KO you in a ring, but if you really want a beat down, set something up in calif., i gaurentee you i will make it and make your hideuos face even uglier.
Of course Bill Gates brags.
You just don`t realize it.
Renting out an entire Island in Hawaii so that you and your wife can be the only ones there, Buying the most technologically advanced 100 million dollar plus house, having your own personal railroad around your house is a form of bragging.
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Didn't you say that last time???
? Maybe, I'm drunk...
Anyway I'm going on a diet after I down these beers I got left. Motorhead rules. King of kings.
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Not at all.
You interject false notions that I have never concieved or spouted.
I will call ALL DRUGS when there is ALL DRUGS.
I do not apply myself to my judging standards of all drugs. That is where you are DEAD WRONG!
That guy to me, is natural. Plain and simple.
Steve Reeves looks better than most drug users and myself right now. Do I say ALL DRUGS about him?
NO! Your interjections are a lie and I wish you would stop with them as they are false.
I said that Sarcasm would consider this guy small, not you. Or would that be like saying the same thing?
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no sir...it would be braggin if he spent countless hours a day online, posting 6000+ posts, telling everyone about it, that would be braggin my ugly friend.....him doin nice stuff is reaping the rewards of hard work.
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I said that Sarcasm would consider this guy small, not you. Or would that be like saying the same thing?
No you seem to think that I think if anyone looks better than me, then I will say all drugs!
NONSENSE!
Steeve Reeves looks better than me and he is NOT ALL DRUGS!
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No you seem to think that I think if anyone looks better than me, then I will say all drugs!
NONSENSE!
Steeve Reeves looks better than me and he is NOT ALL DRUGS!
Was he SOME drugs, Adonis? You believe he did a relatively small amount of shit and that is why it is ok with you. Either that or he was about 10 years older than you are now when the pictures of him you're talking about was taken and you figure you'll have that by the time you're 35 if you keep going at the rate you are going now.
Do you believe he did SOME drugs?
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Was he SOME drugs, Adonis? You believe he did a relatively small amount of shit and that is why it is ok with you. Either that or he was about 10 years older than you are now when the pictures of him you're talking about was taken and you figure you'll have that by the time you're 35 if you keep going at the rate you are going now.
Do you believe he did SOME drugs?
I did some drugs. It was nice.
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Was he SOME drugs, Adonis? You believe he did a relatively small amount of shit and that is why it is ok with you. Either that or he was about 10 years older than you are now when the pictures of him you're talking about was taken and you figure you'll have that by the time you're 35 if you keep going at the rate you are going now.
Do you believe he did SOME drugs?
No Drugs.
Steve Reeves was a LIFETIME NATURAL
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Was he SOME drugs, Adonis? You believe he did a relatively small amount of shit and that is why it is ok with you. Either that or he was about 10 years older than you are now when the pictures of him you're talking about was taken and you figure you'll have that by the time you're 35 if you keep going at the rate you are going now.
Do you believe he did SOME drugs?
Jeff what are you trying to get out of TA?
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No Drugs.
Steve Reeves was a LIFETIME NATURAL
What if that were disproven?
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You will find, that with proper training, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to lose any muscle.
You can look to the effect muscle atrophy in Astronauts in a Zero-G enviroment if you need some validation of the importance of gravity and resistance. They eat a perfect high-calorie diet, but lose muscle mass at an alarming rate due to little usage of muscle fibers.
Since I am getting adequate nutrition and stressing all of my muscle fibers heavily, No muscle loss occurs.
Use Science. Not lies and gym science.
Hmmmm, I thought YOUR diet was perfect. Astronauts don't eat like you claim to eat so how could their diet be perfect?
???
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What if that were disproven?
ok, lets take Brian Whitacre.
I believe he looks better than me at the moment and about anyone I have ever seen. He is a TOP PRO NATURAL, 6 years older than me , 5`10 160. VERY IMPRESSIVE!
(http://www.theweightclub.com/xtremephysiquesathletes/pictures/whitacre5.jpg)
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Hmmmm, I thought YOUR diet was perfect. Astronauts don't eat like you claim to eat so how could their diet be perfect?
???
Perfect for their needs.
High Fat. Caloric Dense. Little Protein.
Come to think of it.....Kind of like my diet. hahhah
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Jeff what are you trying to get out of TA?
Well I can't say I know for sure, but there are a few points that STILL haven't been made on these boards and I'm trying to get to the bottom of a few things still in my own theories/ideas regarding board mentality. This is just something that needs to be cleared up before the entire sport can move on in a positive direction, IMO. Before I can move on, etc. We're all trying to figure out why we are here and threads like these usually prove somewhat enlightening. So in summary I'm not sure where we're going with this, but it should make for a good read. ;D
I've got friends on both sides of all this shit and I just wanna see everyone get along better.
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TA is a dumbass, i'm tired of hearing all this shit of getting lean on donuts and icecream
I'm a fast food guy and i can maintain my bodyfat while eating fast food everyday, but sure as hell not get ripped eating it. it's impossible to lose bf while eating large doses of donuts and ice cream...period.
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TA is a dumbass, i'm tired of hearing all this shit of getting lean on donuts and icecream
I'm a fast food guy and i can maintain my bodyfat while eating fast food everyday, but sure as hell not get ripped eating it. it's impossible to lose bf while eating large doses of donuts and ice cream...period.
It is ignorant statements like that, which make me continue my crusades of truth.
You sir, have made an idiotic statement.
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ok, lets take Brian Whitacre.
I believe he looks better than me at the moment and about anyone I have ever seen. He is a TOP PRO NATURAL, 6 years older than me , 5`10 160. VERY IMPRESSIVE!
(http://www.theweightclub.com/xtremephysiquesathletes/pictures/whitacre5.jpg)
Yeah, but what's your point? Don't you think you'll look at least that good if you were to do what you're doing now for 6 more years? I think you do. But here's one thing we know you will do, if our "logic" were to serve us well for once in a prediction of the future. You will immediately cease to give this guy any credit if you ever come to perceive him as a better natural than you, age adjusted. You will not only cease to give him credit, but you will throw rocks at him. You will expend energy to discredit his accomplishments in the eyes of others. I find that trait despicable above all others.
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Now check this out. I mean, I've seen lots of abs look like this guy's do here. So everything else aside, I think it's interesting that there are a few details that come through, like the triceps striations and the grainy look through the side thighs/IT band areas that come through well after the abs stop changing.
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Was he SOME drugs, Adonis? You believe he did a relatively small amount of shit and that is why it is ok with you. Either that or he was about 10 years older than you are now when the pictures of him you're talking about was taken and you figure you'll have that by the time you're 35 if you keep going at the rate you are going now.
Do you believe he did SOME drugs?
Man, McFarland never fails to deliver.
He should be on the payroll. This is akin to watching Heifitz perform at the height of
his abilities.
Neither snow nor sleet, nor gloom of night will prevent McFarland from his appointed
ownings.
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Yeah, but what's your point? Don't you think you'll look at least that good if you were to do what you're doing now for 6 more years? I think you do. But here's one thing we know you will do, if our "logic" were to serve us well for once in a prediction of the future. You will immediately cease to give this guy any credit if you ever come to perceive him as a better natural than you, age adjusted. You will not only cease to give him credit, but you will throw rocks at him. You will expend energy to discredit his accomplishments in the eyes of others. I find that trait despicable above all others.
NO!
I wouldn`t!
Brian looks AWESOME!
Vaughn Twigger is YOUNGER THAN ME and looks BETTER THAN ME in my opinion. But its REAL CLOSE also in my opinion!
(https://cpe-065-188-238-199.triad.res.rr.com/cgi-bin/guy.jpg)
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You are not predicting anything.
Simply following a mathematical equation that is absolute given if you know how and what vairables to control.
Ok Adonis, I am calling you out. Name every single variable that your "perfect" equation accounts for. No need to tell us the equation just what I am asking for.
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This guy is shredded and that is NO knock on his natural status. I don't think you can get shredded LIKE THIS, in terms of the quality of the skin here, unless you ARE natural. To me, it looks slightly feasible that he's entirely clean. I'm fairly certain that this guy wasn't eating ice cream on a regular basis in the weeks leading up to this show. I know the guy that I mentioned earlier competing in the mid-160's would talk about being on his 9th or 10th Ripped Fuel of the day and how he was on 50-100 grams of carbs for a signficant amount of time. He was tearing up the cardio, too. Two 60-minute sessions a day. ON THE STAIRMASTER. Now sure, he could have been lying...but hey, that's just what I'm basing most of this on. I certainly haven't seen many people look like either him or the guy pictured here and extreme conditioning usually accompanies extreme preparation techniques. I mean, c'mon Adonis...at some point you have to give credit where it's due, man...and to get what you think is close to this and tell everyone it's easy is just uncalled for.
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couple points, maybe i'm a tool:
a. that guy has that pimple above his tricep. i don't know if that's from needles or what (i only shot in my ass, as did some black dudes one night)
b. in the testicle/thigh shot, he has that pimple on his quad. is that from a needle too or just a popped zit?
c. in that shot of his shirt lifted, his underoos are hanging off him. meaning at one point (couple months before) he was a lot fatter than that (when his undies fit him) and he's not like that year round.
either way, he has a great swimmer's build that i'm striving for.
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NO!
I wouldn`t!
Brian looks AWESOME!
Vaughn Twigger is YOUNGER THAN ME and looks BETTER THAN ME in my opinion. But its REAL CLOSE also in my opinion!
(https://cpe-065-188-238-199.triad.res.rr.com/cgi-bin/guy.jpg)
Yeah but you do the same thing he's doing there WITH EASE according to you, right? Hell if you decided to just try a little harder, he'd really be in trouble on a stage next to you, right? We'd obviously need to see a side by side comparison of you and him to really determine why you have no problems giving this guy credit, but there's a reason. Oh is he like 2 inches shorter than you or something? I know it's something...there's some reason you don't envy him.
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Jeff, do you know what this dude's ht/wt are in the photos?
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what's that dudes name...just wondering, he's mega ripped...
Thanks! My name is Jeff Rodriguez
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Ok Adonis, I am calling you out. Name every single variable that your "perfect" equation accounts for. No need to tell us the equation just what I am asking for.
Here it is/......
F(x)ice cream/2^ -17 (cookies)=f(x)2-(sig heil)
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F(x)-2*88>(flat muscle bellies) + F(x) =(krispy kreme))>
=shit physique guaranteed
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This guy is shredded and that is NO knock on his natural status. I don't think you can get shredded LIKE THIS, in terms of the quality of the skin here, unless you ARE natural. To me, it looks slightly feasible that he's entirely clean. I'm fairly certain that this guy wasn't eating ice cream on a regular basis in the weeks leading up to this show. I know the guy that I mentioned earlier competing in the mid-160's would talk about being on his 9th or 10th Ripped Fuel of the day and how he was on 50-100 grams of carbs for a signficant amount of time. He was tearing up the cardio, too. Two 60-minute sessions a day. ON THE STAIRMASTER. Now sure, he could have been lying...but hey, that's just what I'm basing most of this on. I certainly haven't seen many people look like either him or the guy pictured here and extreme conditioning usually accompanies extreme preparation techniques. I mean, c'mon Adonis...at some point you have to give credit where it's due, man...and to get what you think is close to this and tell everyone it's easy is just uncalled for.
Didn`t I say he looks fucking awesome!!!!!!
It requires ZERO suffering to look like that.
You have some kind of hangup that you have to suffer.
If I am leaner than you possibly have ever been(YOUR WORDS ON THE PHONE) and I am FARRRRRRRRRR from suffering, explain why you suffer and I don`t.
YOU CHOOSE TO MAKE IT HARD!
There is nothing hard about any of this. You people believe myths and lies that MAKE IT HARD!
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(https://cpe-065-188-238-199.triad.res.rr.com/cgi-bin/guy=2520-=2520OVERALL=2520BODYBUILDING.jpg)
This is a NATURAL PRO.
And this is ME.
We look comparable don`t you think? And you know what? I have yet to even Be my most ripped.
I WILL SHOW YOU MY MOST RIPPED EATING ICE CREAM AND COOKIES@!!!!!
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couple points, maybe i'm a tool:
a. that guy has that pimple above his tricep. i don't know if that's from needles or what (i only shot in my ass, as did some black dudes one night)
b. in the testicle/thigh shot, he has that pimple on his quad. is that from a needle too or just a popped zit?
c. in that shot of his shirt lifted, his underoos are hanging off him. meaning at one point (couple months before) he was a lot fatter than that (when his undies fit him) and he's not like that year round.
either way, he has a great swimmer's build that i'm striving for.
a. I dont think that is a pimple. Maybe i dont see what you're talking about.
b. I think that was from shaving.
c. Hahahaha. The reason is because i bought them size XXL. about $8 for 3 from walmart. I wore those because protan sometimes stains and boxer breifs (tighter) more easily smear the protan (as opposed to something loose like those).
As for the swimmer's build, well, I've been trying (for 5 years) to lose that look. However, that was, in my opinion, the best I could have done with what i had.
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JEFF!!!!!
I ADMIRE VAUGHN!
Scroll back...You are TRYING your hardest to put false words and notions in my mouth.
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a. I dont think that is a pimple. Maybe i dont see what you're talking about.
b. I think that was from shaving.
c. Hahahaha. The reason is because i bought them size XXL. about $8 for 3 from walmart. I wore those because protan sometimes stains and boxer breifs (tighter) more easily smear the protan (as opposed to something loose like those).
JROD,
YOU LOOK AMAZING, BETTER THAN I DO!
I am going to duplicate your conditioning using my methodology of NO CARDIO and Eating Doughnuts and Cookies.
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Didn`t I say he looks fucking awesome!!!!!!
It requires ZERO suffering to look like that.
You have some kind of hangup that you have to suffer.
If I am leaner than you possibly have ever been(YOUR WORDS ON THE PHONE) and I am FARRRRRRRRRR from suffering, explain why you suffer and I don`t.
YOU CHOOSE TO MAKE IT HARD!
There is nothing hard about any of this. You people believe myths and lies that MAKE IT HARD!
No, Adonis. Here's the bottom line. It requires suffering to look like that and we will not believe otherwise until you simply post a picture demonstrating the same quality of physique/conditioning and if you STILL insist that you did not suffer to any appreciable degree, then we will simply question your sanity. I question my own sanity most days so don't think I wouldn't see yours as anything but potentially fallible. No disrespect, these are just facts.
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Yeah but you do the same thing he's doing there WITH EASE according to you, right? Hell if you decided to just try a little harder, he'd really be in trouble on a stage next to you, right? We'd obviously need to see a side by side comparison of you and him to really determine why you have no problems giving this guy credit, but there's a reason. Oh is he like 2 inches shorter than you or something? I know it's something...there's some reason you don't envy him.
Jeff,
Do you think it is bad to feel that you are the best? I know you did at one point and I'm guessing that mania ended. Probably with a thud or a whimper rather than a bang. Nevertheless maybe it is possible to maintain a more moderate hypomanic state, I don't think Adonis has gone all the way god body nor he is he necessarily headed in that direction. He also has shown pretty consistently high levels of self-regard throughout his messageboard tenure. Even direct contradictions like the loss of Mr. Getbig were unable to unseat his pride. It is unlikely that you will be able to knock him down a peg either, but lets assume for the sake of argument that you could. Would it be a good thing? Would it be better for him to think of himself as a so-so natural? Would he be as happy, would he contribute as much to the community? I doubt it.
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JROD what was your prep like before that show, and what show/when was it? Would you be interested in hearing more about the Adonis Principles? Someone here means to suggest that you could have saved yourself alot of pain, suffering and sacrifice. ;D
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Looking like that is not effortless, Adam. You have yet to show us conditioning like that.
AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YA FREE !!!!!!!!
Finally, the most simple thing of ALL the things has been said right here, regarding the tools to reach respectable conditioning. As always, Jeff, mad props to you!!!!!!!!! Points right on target.
Adonis, once and for all, stop treating us like assholes. You're not gonna convince us (the smart ones, that is) you are some gift from God to this Earth in terms of bodybuilding prodigy. Wake up, already, bro, and stop embarassing yourself like that. :'(
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Jeff,
Do you think it is bad to feel that you are the best? I know you did at one point and I'm guessing that mania ended. Probably with a thud or a whimper rather than a bang. Nevertheless maybe it is possible to maintain a more moderate hypomanic state, I don't think Adonis has gone all the way god body nor he is he necessarily headed in that direction. He also has shown pretty consistently high levels of self-regard throughout his messageboard tenure. Even direct contradictions like the loss of Mr. Getbig were unable to unseat his pride. It is unlikely that you will be able to knock him down a peg either, but lets assume for the sake of argument that you could. Would it be a good thing? Would it be better for him to think of himself as a so-so natural? Would he be as happy, would he contribute as much to the community? I doubt it.
Hold on that's a real good reply...lemme eat something real quick and I'll respond in a minute. I'm also waiting on jrod to tell us what we need to know about his prep for that show if that's really him responding above before I go any farther with that possibly being an option here.
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JROD what was your prep like before that show, and what show/when was it? Would you be interested in hearing more about the Adonis Principles? Someone here means to suggest that you could have saved yourself alot of pain, suffering and sacrifice. ;D
Looking leaner than you Jeff(Again YOUR WORDS ON THE PHONE) was effortless for me.
I can only get leaner and leaner and I am.
So use soem logic and predict the end result.
You have some kind of hangup that this has to be hard and that you HAVE TO eat a certain way.
Soon you will realize that everything you thought you knew, is bullshit...And I will show you just that.
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Perhaps I am thinking on a total different level than most people and I know I am.
Bast,Daddywaddy and ShiftedShapes and a few others are up to speed somewhat as well.
Jeff, you are clouded by gym science and NOT REAL Science based on PHYSICAL AND NATURAL LAWS!
Your protein lies and cardio myths have poisoned your brain.
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Looking leaner than you Jeff(Again YOUR WORDS ON THE PHONE) was effortless for me.
I can only get leaner and leaner and I am.
So use soem logic and predict the end result.
You have some kind of hangup that this has to be hard and that you HAVE TO eat a certain way.
Soon you will realize that everything you thought you knew, is bullshit...And I will show you just that.
There are just certain places on your physique in those pictures you posted that appear to be leaner than what I have been able to achieve. I actually don't think that I've come anywhere close to being truly shredded and everyone that truly knows their bodybuilding will agree with me. I think the point I'm trying to present (that I really would like to see debunked actually, just so it won't hurt so bad the next time I diet) is that you will never achieve a level of conditioning like you see in those pictures I'm posting on your diet, for whatever reason.
I'll also add that I think that when trying to achieve conditioning like that seen above drugs can actually make it harder to cross over into that "sliced" zone. I know many of you are gonna try to cry foul to that, being as how drugs CAN keep you pretty fucking lean eating junk, but only up to a certain point. To cross over to the other side, all your variables have to be in check.
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Hey Jeff have you noticed the stratch marks on the lats of that guy you're posting pics of? You can see this in the side abs close up shot.
Not saying this is proof of AAS use but it can be a sign of it.
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Now what about this guy. ha ha ha You think he's sauced?
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How about NOW? ;D Crazy, huh?
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There are just certain places on your physique in those pictures you posted that appear to be leaner than what I have been able to achieve. I actually don't think that I've come anywhere close to being truly shredded and everyone that truly knows their bodybuilding will agree with me. I think the point I'm trying to present (that I really would like to see debunked actually, just so it won't hurt so bad the next time I diet) is that you will never achieve a level of conditioning like you see in those pictures I'm posting on your diet, for whatever reason.
I'll also add that I think that when trying to achieve conditioning like that seen above drugs can actually make it harder to cross over into that "sliced" zone. I know many of you are gonna try to cry foul to that, being as how drugs CAN keep you pretty fucking lean eating junk, but only up to a certain point. To cross over to the other side, all your variables have to be in check.
I will debunk just that.
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JROD what was your prep like before that show, and what show/when was it? Would you be interested in hearing more about the Adonis Principles? Someone here means to suggest that you could have saved yourself alot of pain, suffering and sacrifice. ;D
The show was the 2006 Team Universe, which was on July 14th and 15th (pictures below are from prejudging).
My prep before the show was fairly simple. I put together a diet and gradually reduced calories every week. My basic diet stayed the same, but calories were gradually reduced. I drank a lot of water throughout, and manipulated sodium/potassium/water a few days before the show. Here's another description: http://graphicmuscle.com/vbp/forums/showthread.php?t=465
As for the Adonis principles, here's how I see it.
A) TA is just messing around with everybody and enjoying the fact that people really think he is serious. He's probably enjoys arguing with you guys.
Or
B) TA is serious. If so, to each his own. I dont think there's anything wrong with him believing in his principles. In fact, regardless of whether they work or not, it is comforting to believe you know what you're doing. I would say its better that he does something wrong which he truly believes in, rather than doing something thats right but he thinks is wrong (at least that way he is happy). Even worse, he does nothing. Hey, at least he seems proud of his accomplishments (nothing wrong with that).
Is it A or B? It doesnt really matter to me. Either way, I dont mind him posting about his principles.
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I will debunk just that.
OK, well that's what we're all waiting for. Feel free to post all the "science" you find backing up how you're GONNA look in the meantime. I think YOU are the one blinded by science, my friend. Science has nothing to do with this shit. NOTHING.
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Listen...here's where you need faith as a bodybuilder...with 15-20 pounds of fat and water on top of that shit he'd look like your typical Arnold Classic expo booth bum. There is a very fine line at the end that you cross that puts you over the edge in terms of your OH SHIT factor. You gotta keep pushin' but right there at the end the impression is universal. This is a respectable bodybuilder by most anyone's standards. Most juicers will recognize this guy as just as hardcore as them, and I think that may be one fundamental factor we're dealing with here in all the hate issues regarding juiced vs. naturals. Perhaps the naturals are offended by a perception of the juicers' general disregard.
not really, if i saw either one of those guys in the gym i wouldn't think they were big but they do have good cuts, they're just not very impressive sizewise, sorry but the truth is that they're 170lbs. tops.
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OK, well that's what we're all waiting for. Feel free to post all the "science" you find backing up how you're GONNA look in the meantime. I think YOU are the one blinded by science, my friend. Science has nothing to do with this shit. NOTHING.
You are an idiot if you think that.
Science is the ONLY thing that governs our bodies.
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not really, if i saw either one of those guys in the gym i wouldn't think they were big but they do have good cuts, they're just not very impressive sizewise, sorry but the truth is that they're 170lbs. tops.
What is the significance of bodyweight here? What does bodyweight equate with to you in terms of competitive advantage on a stage, in a ring, in life, in any competitive arena? Are you your bodyweight?
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The show was the 2006 Team Universe, which was on July 14th and 15th (pictures below are from prejudging).
My prep before the show was fairly simple. I put together a diet and gradually reduced calories every week. My basic diet stayed the same, but calories were gradually reduced. I drank a lot of water throughout, and manipulated sodium/potassium/water a few days before the show. Here's another description: http://graphicmuscle.com/vbp/forums/showthread.php?t=465
As for the Adonis principles, here's how I see it.
A) TA is just messing around with everybody and enjoying the fact that people really think he is serious. He's probably enjoys arguing with you guys.
Or
B) TA is serious. If so, to each his own. I dont think there's anything wrong with him believing in his principles. In fact, regardless of whether they work or not, it is comforting to believe you know what you're doing. I would say its better that he does something wrong which he truly believes in, rather than doing something thats right but he thinks is wrong (at least that way he is happy). Even worse, he does nothing. Hey, at least he seems proud of his accomplishments (nothing wrong with that).
Is it A or B? It doesnt really matter to me. Either way, I dont mind him posting about his principles.
B.
Except Science is what I am using and my diet is Based SOLELY on Scientific LAWS so there is no failure rate ever.
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What is the significance of bodyweight here? What does bodyweight equate with to you in terms of competitive advantage on a stage, in a ring, in life, in any competitive arena? Are you your bodyweight?
why are you getting so defensive about these dudes Jeff? i said before that they look awesome but measurement, thickness and sizewise they're nothing special, let's see them maintain the same condition at 240lbs. then i'll be extremely impressed.
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The show was the 2006 Team Universe, which was on July 14th and 15th (pictures below are from prejudging).
My prep before the show was fairly simple. I put together a diet and gradually reduced calories every week. My basic diet stayed the same, but calories were gradually reduced. I drank a lot of water throughout, and manipulated sodium/potassium/water a few days before the show. Here's another description: http://graphicmuscle.com/vbp/forums/showthread.php?t=465
As for the Adonis principles, here's how I see it.
A) TA is just messing around with everybody and enjoying the fact that people really think he is serious. He's probably enjoys arguing with you guys.
Or
B) TA is serious. If so, to each his own. I dont think there's anything wrong with him believing in his principles. In fact, regardless of whether they work or not, it is comforting to believe you know what you're doing. I would say its better that he does something wrong which he truly believes in, rather than doing something thats right but he thinks is wrong (at least that way he is happy). Even worse, he does nothing. Hey, at least he seems proud of his accomplishments (nothing wrong with that).
Is it A or B? It doesnt really matter to me. Either way, I dont mind him posting about his principles.
Spoken like a true champion! Thanks, jrod. Awesome. :)
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B.
Except Science is what I am using and my diet is Based SOLELY on Scientific LAWS so there is no failure rate ever.
Right, science is perfect and has a zero failure rate that is why cancer and cardiovascular disease are such big killers... ::)
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First off I have to give props to Jrod for his conditioning, bravo. And I believe he is natural. Very few BB's are able to achieve conditioning like that and it usually requires dieting for a very long amount of time dropping calories very slowly. Adonis, good luck getting that hard and dry. I have a friend who I used to compete with that I know is natural. He is able to achieve a very shredded look close to Jrod. As shredded as he is he is still at 6% bodyfat measured by 14 pt caliper test. Here are pics of my friend Brad, 100% natural, 5'6" and weighing somewhere in the 160's.
(http://usera.imagecave.com/Rammer/Brad1.jpg)(http://usera.imagecave.com/Rammer/Brad2.jpg)(http://usera.imagecave.com/Rammer/Brad3.jpg)
(http://usera.imagecave.com/Rammer/Brad4.jpg)(http://usera.imagecave.com/Rammer/Brad5.jpg)(http://usera.imagecave.com/Rammer/Brad6.jpg)
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Right, science is perfect and has a zero failure rate that is why cancer and cardiovascular disease are such big killers... ::)
Science is never fact.
Science is all theories, based around the "theories" that describe our world.
Unfortunately, history has proven science to be incredibly unreliable.....
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Jeff,
Do you think it is bad to feel that you are the best? I know you did at one point and I'm guessing that mania ended. Probably with a thud or a whimper rather than a bang. Nevertheless maybe it is possible to maintain a more moderate hypomanic state, I don't think Adonis has gone all the way god body nor he is he necessarily headed in that direction. He also has shown pretty consistently high levels of self-regard throughout his messageboard tenure. Even direct contradictions like the loss of Mr. Getbig were unable to unseat his pride. It is unlikely that you will be able to knock him down a peg either, but lets assume for the sake of argument that you could. Would it be a good thing? Would it be better for him to think of himself as a so-so natural? Would he be as happy, would he contribute as much to the community? I doubt it.
I don't think it's bad for one to suspect that he or she may have the ability to be the best at whatever he or she has chosen to be provided they are able to demonstrate that ability without having to shame others along the way, and I've shamed many in my time here. Jrod's amicable response here to Adonis helped me craft that answer, so there you go...consider me humbled once again. Jrod's what somebody who's doing it right should sound like, if you ask me.
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Right, science is perfect and has a zero failure rate that is why cancer and cardiovascular disease are such big killers... ::)
LAWS of Science my friend are irrefutable. Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to explain, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and univseral, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.
Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, the law of thermodynamics, and Hook’s law of elasticity.
Physical laws are:
True (a.k.a. valid). By definition, there have never been repeatable contradicting observations.
Universal. They appear to apply everywhere in the universe. (Davies)
Simple. They are typically expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. (Davies)
Absolute. Nothing in the universe appears to affect them. (Davies)
Stable. Unchanged since first discovered (although they may have been shown to be approximations of more accurate laws—see "Laws as approximations" below),
Eternal. they appear unchanged since the beginning of the universe (according to observations). It is thus presumed that they will remain unchanged in the future. (Davies)
Omnipotent. Everything in the universe apparently must comply with them (according to observations). (Davies)
Generally conservative of quantity. (Feynman)
Often expressions of existing homogeneities (symmetries) of space and time. (Feynman)
Typically theoretically reversible in time (if non-quantum), although time itself is irreversible. (Feynman)
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Science helps us explain and reconcile with the past, but it doesn't help us predict the future. Not even a little bit, really...I've actually been throwing around the idea lately that maybe the future is, by some inescapable requirement of our mental design, ironic. That's not to say it's unjust; I just suspect that perhaps all outcomes must also accompany some unexpected element of surprise.
"If you wanna make God laugh, tell him about your plans." ;D
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Rammer,you`re friend looks damned near perfect......great physique!!
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Rammer,you`re friend looks damned near perfect......great physique!!
Ski, tell Adonis! If science had any merit you'd have been dead 25 years ago and Massive G wouldn't have moderator status! ;D
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But hey...looking at that guy again, he MIGHT BE on drugs. I honestly can't say I'm for certain. I've seen alot of shit now, so I don't know. But let's take into consideration that this guy IS certainly NOT big by, say, Sarcasm's standards ;D and we honestly have to wonder if he's on steroids because something about his look is so impressive. Look at him sitting here in regular clothes, though. At any rate, there needs to be some more appreciation given to guys who can be sliced like this AND look big in clothes. It's really not for me to say whether this guy is juiced or not. Draw your own conclusions. I'm sure if Adonis doesn't come to look like this he will come to believe that he is on drugs. He will NEED to hold this belief to maintain his sense of self-worth as long as image is his primary determinant of worth. There are alot of things that people can use to determine their own self-worth. It usually happens to be that people judge their own self-worth based on their own perceived most outstanding qualities. If they find that their abilities aren't as unique as they once suspected in these respective arenas, they usually will move on in an attempt to find something else to be "special" at.
Just a bunch of skinny dudes with low bodyfat
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copied from the link jrod provided.
5 galls of water? this fucker has to sleep with a hose attached to his pecker avoid the 10 pee trips
"Jeff Rodriguez, middleweight sensation at the 2006 NPC Team Universe discusses his water intake with Ruth Silverman. Check out the video http://www.graphicmuscle.com
WATER INTAKE
Here was my strategy for my daily water intake leading up to the team universe. I made drinking large amounts of water easier by adding Crystal Light to my water.
8 Weeks out – 3 weeks out: at least 3 gallons of water per day
2 Weeks out -8 days out: at least 3.5 gallons of water per day
7 days out – 3 days out: at least 5 gallons of water per day
2 days out: 2.5 gallons of water
1 day out: 1-1.25 gallons of water
Show days: 1 gallon of water
(Since the show was at night I had about 50 ounces before prejudging and 80 ounces after)"
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I would have never been allowed to live at all !! :)
It`s alive...............it`s alive!!! LOL ;D
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LAWS of Science my friend are irrefutable. Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to explain, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and univseral, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.
Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, the law of thermodynamics, and Hook’s law of elasticity.
Physical laws are:
True (a.k.a. valid). By definition, there have never been repeatable contradicting observations.
Universal. They appear to apply everywhere in the universe. (Davies)
Simple. They are typically expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. (Davies)
Absolute. Nothing in the universe appears to affect them. (Davies)
Stable. Unchanged since first discovered (although they may have been shown to be approximations of more accurate laws—see "Laws as approximations" below),
Eternal. they appear unchanged since the beginning of the universe (according to observations). It is thus presumed that they will remain unchanged in the future. (Davies)
Omnipotent. Everything in the universe apparently must comply with them (according to observations). (Davies)
Generally conservative of quantity. (Feynman)
Often expressions of existing homogeneities (symmetries) of space and time. (Feynman)
Typically theoretically reversible in time (if non-quantum), although time itself is irreversible. (Feynman)
What about string theory? Black matter?
Things which cannot be explained by our understanding of physics?
Scientific laws are constantly in debate, and in constant change.
What is FACT now, was not FACT 1,000 years ago, and much of what is FACT now, wasn't FACT 50 years ago.
Science is never FACT, and that is the only fact of science.
Science is based on truths founded on theories.
One minor f' up in a basic theory such as the "theory of relativity" and all hell breaks loose.
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good pictures. Makes me want to get back to dieting sooner than later.
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Science helps us explain and reconcile with the past, but it doesn't help us predict the future. Not even a little bit, really...I've actually been throwing around the idea lately that maybe the future is, by some inescapable requirement of our mental design, ironic. That's not to say it's unjust; I just suspect that perhaps all outcomes must also accompany some unexpected element of surprise.
"If you wanna make God laugh, tell him about your plans." ;D
Alternate responses
RESPONSE A:
you are a mysterion. Worshiping before that which confuses you, because it confuses you.
You are also a hypocrite. You trust science to predict your future as much as you trust your eyes to see and ears to hear. Otherwise you would never take a plane to 20,000 feet above sea level or to drive a car 90 mph 50 feet behind another car (yes I know how people frive in LA).
RESPONSE B:
You are an empiricist if so you are merely saying that sceince maybe illusory just as everything else may be. This is not much of an argument.
EITHER way it's silly to decry science through a communication medium created by it. Unless you think "the internet is a series of tubes" trafficed by magic elves.
Oh Legendary Kings Unite, for your Epic Olympian Gods call on you to set off on Epic Epics.
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My next pictures that I post of my physique will be that lean and leaner.
Very impressive!
r u planning on maintaining that level of leaness longterm.what about when u go back 2 gaining muscle do u think u will have 2 gain a little bodyfat
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r u planning on maintaining that level of leaness longterm.what about when u go back 2 gaining muscle do u think u will have 2 gain a little bodyfat
I am gaining muscle and strength and losing fat simultaneously.
Muscle is a function of pressure to adapt to environment and the amount of fat one carries is determined by the presence of fuel surplus. The two things are not directly related. Lift harder and heavier and eat less. Nothing could be simpler.
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I am gaining muscle and strength and losing fat simultaneously.
Muscle is a function of pressure to adapt to environment and the amount of fat one carries is determined by the presence of fuel surplus. The two things are not directly related. Lift harder and heavier and eat less. Nothing could be simpler.
but what about the calorie surpless u need 2 gain muscular weight,unless u get it spot on a little body fat seems inevitable at least 4 the majority of people
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but what about the calorie surpless u need 2 gain muscular weight,unless u get it spot on a little body fat seems inevitable at least 4 the majority of people
Nope...you will synethesize muscle preferentially over other forms of tissue if your body demands it. If you stimulate your body with the proper exercise it will demand muscle. We are built to adapt.
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that injection spot above his tricep proves he's natural.
good eye everyone should look at that first pic again obvious swelling
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JROD,
First of all, mad props I know u put a lot of blood and sweat into achieving that kind of condition. I'm aware everybody's body responds differently but I, and a long wid many other members on this board, are curious what you do with your diet and cardio. How many grams of carbs, cut off time, how much cardio, type of cardio and intensity. Hook us up with some of the information bro. What do you think about cutting off all carbs and using high amount EFA as last resort to get the last couple lbs off? I have no trouble gettin down to 7, 8% but then I get stuck there no matter what I do.
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I am gaining muscle and strength and losing fat simultaneously.
Muscle is a function of pressure to adapt to environment and the amount of fat one carries is determined by the presence of fuel surplus. The two things are not directly related. Lift harder and heavier and eat less. Nothing could be simpler.
what I find odd about this post is the question was a direct response to a post about TA, yet SS answers with a post that could easily be mistaken for a TA response, ton and content are almost excactly the same. Makes me wonder if SS is a gimick account for TA...go back and read the posts leading up to it, the question was directed at TA. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'm sorry it just looks a little wierd to me.
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copied from the link jrod provided.
5 galls of water? this fucker has to sleep with a hose attached to his pecker avoid the 10 pee trips
"Jeff Rodriguez, middleweight sensation at the 2006 NPC Team Universe discusses his water intake with Ruth Silverman. Check out the video http://www.graphicmuscle.com
WATER INTAKE
Here was my strategy for my daily water intake leading up to the team universe. I made drinking large amounts of water easier by adding Crystal Light to my water.
8 Weeks out – 3 weeks out: at least 3 gallons of water per day
2 Weeks out -8 days out: at least 3.5 gallons of water per day
7 days out – 3 days out: at least 5 gallons of water per day
2 days out: 2.5 gallons of water
1 day out: 1-1.25 gallons of water
Show days: 1 gallon of water
(Since the show was at night I had about 50 ounces before prejudging and 80 ounces after)"
His water, sodium, postasium contest strategies are EXACTLY the same as Skip La Cour's. He must be a student of Skip's No wonder he's so dry.
Anyone know?
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He follows La Cour's strategies. That's a step by step duplication from his Training Journal.
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what I find odd about this post is the question was a direct response to a post about TA, yet SS answers with a post that could easily be mistaken for a TA response, ton and content are almost excactly the same. Makes me wonder if SS is a gimick account for TA...go back and read the posts leading up to it, the question was directed at TA. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'm sorry it just looks a little wierd to me.
No I'm my own man...If you really care about it that much, go back and look at my old posts. You will see that I was advocating calorie reduction as a means to weightloss well before Adonis jumped on the bandwagon.
Now go back to thinking up tragic excuses for your pot belly.
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He follows La Cour's strategies. That's a step by step duplication from his Training Journal.
This is true. I have based a lot of my training/dieting philosophies around Skip La Cour's.
Ever since I started bodybuilding I have always looked up to Skip and Jeff Willet.
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No I'm my own man...If you really care about it that much, go back and look at my old posts. You will see that I was advocating calorie reduction as a means to weightloss well before Adonis jumped on the bandwagon.
Now go back to thinking up tragic excuses for your pot belly.
ROFLMAO.
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No I'm my own man...If you really care about it that much, go back and look at my old posts. You will see that I was advocating calorie reduction as a means to weightloss well before Adonis jumped on the bandwagon.
Now go back to thinking up tragic excuses for your pot belly.
what pot belly? You must be thinking of someone else. Maybe one day we can meet up and we'll talk about my tragic excuses..who knows it might turn out tragic for you.
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what pot belly? You must be thinking of someone else. Maybe one day we can meet up and we'll talk about my tragic excuses..who knows it might turn out tragic for you.
Yes my life would have to be very tragic indeed to arrange a "net meet" with you.
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what pot belly? You must be thinking of someone else. Maybe one day we can meet up and we'll talk about my tragic excuses..who knows it might turn out tragic for you.
hahahaha, another message board badass. ::)
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hahahaha, another message board badass. ::)
this from a guy who "owns" 80 year olds and 13 year olds....oh, wait....you're only 14. Go clean your room before your mom grounds your skinny ass. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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My next pictures that I post of my physique will be that lean and leaner.
Very impressive!
do you kiss the mirror when you look into it. No harm intended, you amuse me very much, I love reading your posts about how you love yourself so much, very amusing. You crack me and tonya up.
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JROD,
YOU LOOK AMAZING, BETTER THAN I DO!
I am going to duplicate your conditioning using my methodology of NO CARDIO and Eating Doughnuts and Cookies.
I've been doing no cardio and eating doughnuts and cookies for years. Why the hell am I such a fatass? ???
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JROD,
CAN YOU POST YOUR MEASUREMENTS???
Here's what i know: 5'9", today: 200lbs, show day: 176-178 lbs. As for measurements, I usually never take any. I stopped taking measurements (other than weight) about 3 years ago for some of the following reasons: i lost my tape measurer; I dont make significantly noticeable changes in a short amount of time; I only get entertainment value from it; it only makes me wish measurements were larger (eg, "wow X inches isnt very big, i wish my arms were bigger").
I'd like to give you a better response, so here are my guesses:
Arms: 16.5-17.5 inches; calves: same as arms or a bit smaller; legs: 23-25 inches; waist: i wear size Medium underwear so 30-32 inches; chest: this one is tough, i really have no idea, maybe 47-50 inches???
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great work bro it shows u dont have to be huge to look awesome
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I was about to ask the same thing , Jrod ive been inspired to start a new 12 week plan to go the next level (jrod level of conditioning)
Would much appreciate a rundown of supplements,training,diet/calories etc,cardio,years to attain that look, etc
even if its brief itd be interesting to see
thanks and keep the good work been a unatural looking natural :o
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I was about to ask the same thing , Jrod ive been inspired to start a new 12 week plan to go the next level (jrod level of conditioning)
Would much appreciate a rundown of supplements,training,diet/calories etc,cardio,years to attain that look, etc
even if its brief itd be interesting to see
thanks and keep the good work been a unatural looking natural :o
These are the supplements I took while dieting and take now that its offseason:
creatine, glutamine, whey protein powder, dextrose, caffeine (i get this from either coffee or an energy supplement. I take caffeine for energy purposes, not so much for losing fat).
Here's what my basic diet was like getting ready for the Team Universe:
Meal#1 - Breakfast: Rice cakes or cream of wheat and Protein powder or egg whites.
(i workout 1.5-2 hours after breakfast)
pre workout shake(while warming up): dextrose and protein powder (with creatine and glutamine)
post workout shake (immediately after training): dextrose and protein powder (with creatine and glutamine)
25 min post workout: dextrose and protein powder
Meal#2 - 1 hour post workout: rice cakes and egg whites
Meal#3 - 2.5 hours post workout: rice cakes and egg whites
Meals#4-7-every 2 hours after meal3: oatmeal or brocolli and protein powder or egg whites (or canned tuna a once in a while).
The difference in my diet in week 8, 7, 5, 3, or whatever, was the amount of calories. I did not eat anything different, just less as the weeks went by. In reducing calories, i started by reducing from out to in (meaning i reduced calories near workout time last, starting by reducing calories from my later meals, then breakfast, then post workout meals, then post workout shakes very little).
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ok thankyou for that much appreciated :)
i could ask about a million other q's but i get the jist of how you went about getting that lean.
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wait a sec , what about fat in your diet? did u supplement with any etc
and if you have time care to share your training routine with cardio. ;D
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No drugs.
They are natural.
Yes! They are naturally on Insulin and winstrol and probably primobolan!
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Don't doubt him till you try to get that lean. Im going to give it a go anyhow.
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These are the supplements I took while dieting and take now that its offseason:
creatine, glutamine, whey protein powder, dextrose, caffeine (i get this from either coffee or an energy supplement. I take caffeine for energy purposes, not so much for losing fat).
Here's what my basic diet was like getting ready for the Team Universe:
Meal#1 - Breakfast: Rice cakes or cream of wheat and Protein powder or egg whites.
(i workout 1.5-2 hours after breakfast)
pre workout shake(while warming up): dextrose and protein powder (with creatine and glutamine)
post workout shake (immediately after training): dextrose and protein powder (with creatine and glutamine)
25 min post workout: dextrose and protein powder
Meal#2 - 1 hour post workout: rice cakes and egg whites
Meal#3 - 2.5 hours post workout: rice cakes and egg whites
Meals#4-7-every 2 hours after meal3: oatmeal or brocolli and protein powder or egg whites (or canned tuna a once in a while).
The difference in my diet in week 8, 7, 5, 3, or whatever, was the amount of calories. I did not eat anything different, just less as the weeks went by. In reducing calories, i started by reducing from out to in (meaning i reduced calories near workout time last, starting by reducing calories from my later meals, then breakfast, then post workout meals, then post workout shakes very little).
First, thanks for sharing your meal plan. Now a couple of questions.
1 How long before your workout would you take your energy supplement or coffee, 60 to 30 mins? Do you feel it needs to not be at the same time as your creatine?
2 Are all three shakes the same amount of protein and dextrose? I would think the pre-workout one would be a little smaller.
I take only about 7.5 grams of BCAA's and no carbs pre-workout, with glutamine and creatine, when I am taking creatine.
And then have a whey and dextrose shake with creatine and glutamine after.
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wait a sec , what about fat in your diet? did u supplement with any etc
and if you have time care to share your training routine with cardio. ;D
Right now, offseason, i add fat in the form of olive oil (not too much, about 1/4-1/3 tbsp). However, my pre contest diet does not include any addition of fat. The only fat i get pre contest is from whatever is in the foods i eat. This is where i reduce a lot of calories--from fat--since the foods i eat pre-contest are low in fat.
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First, thanks for sharing your meal plan. Now a couple of questions.
1 How long before your workout would you take your energy supplement or coffee, 60 to 30 mins? Do you feel it needs to not be at the same time as your creatine?
2 Are all three shakes the same amount of protein and dextrose? I would think the pre-workout one would be a little smaller.
I take only about 7.5 grams of BCAA's and no carbs pre-workout, with glutamine and creatine, when I am taking creatine.
And then have a whey and dextrose shake with creatine and glutamine after.
1. I take my energy supplement or coffee 30-45 minutes before training. I dont think there is anything wrong with taking it sooner or later, rather i have found that, for myself, 30-45 minutes is when i feel the effect best.
2. All three shakes are not the same. from largest to smallest: post workout, pre workout, 25 minutes after workout.
For example, at 6 weeks out i was having (in order of pre, post, 25 minutes post workout):
30g dextrose, 25g protein; 40g dextrose, 30g protein; 20g dextrose, 25g protein
These amounts are what I thought would be best for me. They might be too much, or too little, for someone else that is 6 weeks out. I think the key is starting somewhere (with enough time) and gradually reducing calories.
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how often were you doing cardio (16 min HIIT) and was this at any certain time , eg 1st thing in morn , on non weights days , post workout?
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I actually did not do very much cardio. I have to be careful with how much cardio i do; i can easily do too much and lose muscle. I did cardio (15-16 minutes, very high intensity) when i was 5 to 2 weeks out. Usually about 1-2 times per week.
As for when:
on days where i lifted weights, i would do cardio at night, about 6-7 hours after weight training.
on days where i didnt lift weights, i did cardio in the morning (about2 hours after breakfast).
As for my weight training, I train very, very much like Max-OT.
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is JRod really who he says he is???
In the video interview you said you didnt do ANY cardio....
i dont want to be throwing out false accusations, but that is a big difference between what you are saying now. if i am making a faulty conclusion here i apologize, but just wondering how these statements can agree with eachother.
I was refering to the offseason in the video.
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Thanks for the info jrod :)
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What comes these two dudes, I say they have been on gear. Why? Because there is just about no BB;er who doesn't use. So simple. Even schoolboys are on gear, so why doesn't these dudes? They have some motivation, some reason to build up their body, so why do it the hard way? If you do, you never be anything in business. You train 5 years to find out that 15 year old guys on gear look bigger than you after their first year of training. Why don't you face the fact and believe that there isn't such thing as natural bodybuilder.
As a life-time drug free pro.....who has NEVER used....I debunk your assinine statement....
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As a life-time drug free pro.....who has NEVER used....I debunk your assinine statement....
They're to dry to be on gear! But they're probably so dehydrated that they're shafting their kidneys all the same.
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..hmm yeah your right , they better take the healthy route and take roids ;D
who cares , if you can't get in that condition naturally then diddums , at the end of the day it doesn't matter what anyone else looks like , more importantly focus on making you the best you , drug free or steroids.
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They're to dry to be on gear! But they're probably so dehydrated that they're shafting their kidneys all the same.
Here was my water intake for the show:
8 Weeks out – 3 weeks out: at least 3 gallons of water per day
2 Weeks out -8 days out: at least 3.5 gallons of water per day
7 days out – 3 days out: at least 5 gallons of water per day
2 days out: 2.5 gallons of water
1 day out: 1-1.25 gallons of water
Show days (Fri., Sat.): 1 gallon of water
(Since the show was at night I had about 50 ounces before prejudging and 80 ounces after)
In fact, on the day these pictures were taken (5 or 6 pm.,weighins, the day before prejudging), I drank 1-1.25 gallons of water evenly distributed throughout the day.
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Here was my water intake for the show:
8 Weeks out – 3 weeks out: at least 3 gallons of water per day
2 Weeks out -8 days out: at least 3.5 gallons of water per day
7 days out – 3 days out: at least 5 gallons of water per day
2 days out: 2.5 gallons of water
1 day out: 1-1.25 gallons of water
Show days (Fri., Sat.): 1 gallon of water
(Since the show was at night I had about 50 ounces before prejudging and 80 ounces after)
In fact, on the day these pictures were taken (5 or 6 pm.,weighins, the day before prejudging), I drank 1-1.25 gallons of water evenly distributed throughout the day.
Awesome condition PROPS!
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awsome thread, I understand that this guy is natural but this should be on the main board cause alot of this information is great for everybody that comes to GB.
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jrod, u are insane..
if I had conditioning like that, id be hittin all the girlies................. ..... 2x
serious note...U look great man, I admire the dedication that it must take to get to that level.
MAD PROPS
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BUMP FOR TOO EASY
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You got any offseason pics Jrod? whats your weight at before you start cutting?
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Here was my water intake for the show:
8 Weeks out – 3 weeks out: at least 3 gallons of water per day
2 Weeks out -8 days out: at least 3.5 gallons of water per day
7 days out – 3 days out: at least 5 gallons of water per day
2 days out: 2.5 gallons of water
1 day out: 1-1.25 gallons of water
Show days (Fri., Sat.): 1 gallon of water
(Since the show was at night I had about 50 ounces before prejudging and 80 ounces after)
In fact, on the day these pictures were taken (5 or 6 pm.,weighins, the day before prejudging), I drank 1-1.25 gallons of water evenly distributed throughout the day.
smart man. cutting out water completely the day of the contest is about the stupidest thing you can do
You look great...your diet is almost vegetarian...barely and meat, makes it all the more amazing
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You got any offseason pics Jrod? whats your weight at before you start cutting?
I weighed about 193 before dieting in 2006 ( I weigh about 200 today). As for pictures, I only have one offseason picture from 2006 (i usually dont take pictures; This year if I get ready for the TU I should probably take progress pics). The picture below was taken on February 20th, 2006; I started dieting for the 2006 Contra Costa in March.
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looks like a fucking manga. great.
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Jrod, with all the eggs and protein powder that you eat up to a contest, are you not worried about sodium?
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Jrod, with all the eggs and protein powder that you eat up to a contest, are you not worried about sodium?
No, I wasn't worried about sodium. In fact, for several weeks I actually wanted my sodium intake to be high so I added sodium (from seasoning).
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I weighed about 193 before dieting in 2006 ( I weigh about 200 today). As for pictures, I only have one offseason picture from 2006 (i usually dont take pictures; This year if I get ready for the TU I should probably take progress pics). The picture below was taken on February 20th, 2006; I started dieting for the 2006 Contra Costa in March.
Dude that's hardly offseason.. you look insane! you say your around 200lbs today what's your bodyfat at right now?
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Thanks!
I do not get my BF% tested but I am at least as lean as the above off season picture (since I'm a bit bigger, some lines/definition shows better). That is where my BF% always stays (whatever it is in the off season picture) year round when I am not getting ready for a show. I have no idea what my BF% was when I was competing, or what it was in the above off season picture. I don't worry about it in the off season cause I stay lean anyways, and come show time I gauge my conditioning according to the mirror.
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So what would you say you'd be at around contest time? 185+?
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I have no idea what I'll weigh come contest time. For me at least, I dont think that X pounds gained in the offseason = X pounds bigger come contest time.
I weighed 176 +- 2 lbs. all day on pre judging and on the day of the night show at the '06 TU. So, 185 in the same (or better!) condition would be great, but I would also be happy to come in at 180 and make the light heavyweight class.
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Conditioning CAN be MATCHED to any juicer by a LIFETIME NATURAL.
And ANYBODY can be 2-3 percent bodyfat. ANYBODY.....Its just knowing how to get there.
I will show you all. That is a promise and I want all of you to hold me to it.
Show us Dr. Adonis. ::)
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JROD,
I am doing a contest in 3 weeks. Can you give me any last minute tips?!!! THANKS!
Tough to say since I know nothing about you, but I would say in general keep dieting hard, dont make any drastic last minute changes that you are unsure about, and practice posing (quarter turns and mandatories to show your physique as best as possible during pre-judging).
GOOD LUCK!
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jrod do you train? :o
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I have no idea what I'll weigh come contest time. For me at least, I dont think that X pounds gained in the offseason = X pounds bigger come contest time.
I weighed 176 +- 2 lbs. all day on pre judging and on the day of the night show at the '06 TU. So, 185 in the same (or better!) condition would be great, but I would also be happy to come in at 180 and make the light heavyweight class.
Yeah but if you knew your bodyfat at X number of pounds in the offseason and you were larger then you were last year at the same bodyfat couldn't you say you'll be x number of lbs bigger this year come contest time? I'm about 210lbs at 18"-20" bf so I think 175lbs would be my contest weight but I don't know... Your pics are very motivational.. you should post more!
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jrod do you train? :o
I used to train, but not anymore. I discovered "The Ab Energizer system- The first Multi-Electronic Exercise Belt! Push a button and get up to 700 mutiple Ab contractions in minutes." I stick this thing all over my body, so now I dont train anymore.
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Yeah but if you knew your bodyfat at X number of pounds in the offseason and you were larger then you were last year at the same bodyfat couldn't you say you'll be x number of lbs bigger this year come contest time? I'm about 210lbs at 18"-20" bf so I think 175lbs would be my contest weight but I don't know... Your pics are very motivational.. you should post more!
First of all, thanks for the nice words.
As for the X pounds thing, I don't know if it really works like that. Either way, I'm not big on the idea of weight or BF% to determine my own progress; at least when it comes to small differences. Obviously if I weigh 100lbs more... but 3 lbs., well that could come from just drinking more water. I sometimes weigh myself out of curiosity, but most of the time, I'm not really interested in what I weigh. I mostly just use the mirror to gauge my progress, conditioning, etc.
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Great to have you here Jrod!
I'm amazed how much water you drink up until you hit the stage. 50 ounces before prejuding? That's like 8 cups right....wow!
I see you use egg whites AND additional salt while dieting. Do you manipulate SODIUM during the last week like you do water?
Your conditioning is amazing! How much does it differ from one week to the day of the show?
Thanks and good luck!
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I take it Apenis hasn't posted a pic. Thought so. And the other guy on here blows Apenis away by a mile Apenis posted in Oct in this thread he'd have pics up. This guy is full of shit
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Great to have you here Jrod!
I'm amazed how much water you drink up until you hit the stage. 50 ounces before prejuding? That's like 8 cups right....wow!
About 6 cups. I try to keep my water intake high several weeks before the show so that I can go down to a gallon on the show day/s and still look dry.
I see you use egg whites AND additional salt while dieting. Do you manipulate SODIUM during the last week like you do water?
Yes, I do something similar to my water intake to my sodium intake: high sodium before the show so that when I cut down to a reasonable amount I get the desired effect.
Your conditioning is amazing! How much does it differ from one week to the day of the show?
Thanks! I'm assuming you mean from week one to the day of the show. Well, I dont look bad/out of shape in the offseason. My abs are clearly visible, I have some seperation in my thighs, triceps heads are clearly defined, etc. I would say that the important details aren't the same in the offseason as show time (dry, striated glutes and triceps, etc.), but I am still what most people would call lean. I'll take a picture sometime and post it to give you a better idea since it has been offseason since mid-July.
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I used to train, but not anymore. I discovered "The Ab Energizer system- The first Multi-Electronic Exercise Belt! Push a button and get up to 700 mutiple Ab contractions in minutes." I stick this thing all over my body, so now I dont train anymore.
Fascinating! So you admit to doing the adonis spaceman workout?
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Jeff you still shred it up on the blades?
http://www.graphicmuscle.com/pop_report.cfm?ReportID=206 (http://www.graphicmuscle.com/pop_report.cfm?ReportID=206)
Also hows your blood pressure when your taking all this sodium?
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Jeff you still shred it up on the blades?
http://www.graphicmuscle.com/pop_report.cfm?ReportID=206 (http://www.graphicmuscle.com/pop_report.cfm?ReportID=206)
Also hows your blood pressure when your taking all this sodium?
I did not get my blood pressure tested at the time so I'm not really sure. Maybe drinking so much water would have helped though.
Hahaha, I don't skate much anymore; but, I'm sure I could still hit some rails.
Actually, rollerblading is sort of what got me into bodybuilding. I broke my wrist (compound fracture) rollerblading and I used to have to go to physical therapy for it. I started going to the gym only with the intention trying to strengthen my injured wrist and arm (the arm in the cast got a lot smaller than the other). But after a while I would bring my friend Mike along and we would mess around with some of the equipment. It only took a few months until my Mike and I started to take it more seriously.
Looking back on those times I can say that we used to have some TERRIBLE workouts. The effort and intesity of our workouts was good, but we just didnt know what we were doing. I remember one day Mike and I were trying to battle for who could handle the most sets on this ab machine. We started to feel weak and dizzy after about 23 sets to failure on this ab machine (this is after training chest), so we decided we should eat. We walked over to the McDonalds a block from the gym, had some McChickens and came back for another 2 hours of training... We could never figure out why we would get so sick and dizzy.
Another time, I remember that we stopped by GNC before training. I managed to convince the guy there to give us a free a jar of expired protein. Mike and I were so excited cause we thought that drinking some protein would immediately make us stronger and give us a lot of energy. So we Mike and I sat in the gym parking lot and together drank the entire 2lb. jar of protein one scoop at a time (we used McDonalds cups cause we didnt have shakers). It was so gross, but we thought we were just being tough. Then we tried to workout but that didnt last long cause we both got really, really sick and spent our time in the bathroom (never had protein powder before and that was about 15 scoops or about 300g of protein in one sitting).
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Great thread :) It's good to have you posting on getbig. You have a phenomenal physique PERIOD.
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Great thread :) It's good to have you posting on getbig. You have a phenomenal physique PERIOD.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
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Your conditioning is amazing! How much does it differ from one week to the day of the show?
Thanks and good luck!
As promised, here is an off-season picture taken earlier today. This is as deep into the off-season as I will get this year because I am starting my diet (14 weeks out) for the Team Universe on Saturday.
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Damn man,your off-season condition,is better than most peoples conditioning on contest day. :)
Good luck in the Team U bro,you look fantastic to say the very least.
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Great thread :) It's good to have you posting on getbig. You have a phenomenal physique PERIOD.
I totally agree. And that "offseason" photo is awesome.
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I totally agree. And that "offseason" photo is awesome.
I'd like to get in that type of condition regardless if its "offseason" LOL!
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So you do no Cardio whatsoever? Just change the eating habits?
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So you do no Cardio whatsoever? Just change the eating habits?
Well, no cardio in the off-season. I have not done cardio since (I have this written down) June 23rd, 2006. However, I will do cardio when I am closer to the show (depending on how my conditioning is coming along).
As for the eating habits, I eat clean year round so the biggest change will be weighing my food out, and later the addition of vegetables and a few other changes.
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Looking good jrod. Everything is in proportion.
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How bout carbs Jrod? Do you load up the last few days before a show?
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How bout carbs Jrod? Do you load up the last few days before a show?
Not to the extreme that I've heard some people go up to, but, yes, I load up with a reasonable amount gradually. If anything I try to play it safe and under do it, rather than overdo it. I figure that if I already look good, then I better not do anything too crazy or drastic.
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Hozit JRod
First off well done on your off season condition I'm sure your off season discipline will pay off .
Few questions..
You say you don't do much cardio, what sort of job do you do? is is quite physical ? (i.e. Personal trainer, construction) - One usually finds lean guys who don't do cardio expend calories via there job etc. If you're a desk jockey then your metabolism must be quite fast and fat set point naturally pretty low then...but you do say your diet is on point year round which also makes a difference.
What are your calories +- in the off season? and how do you eat on your non training days? (i.e. Do you eat less calories than on training days ?)
You say you train similar to Max Ot in what way do your training philosophies differ? (reps , volume etc)
Do you take a week off or back off for a few weeks every few weeks to recover?
What sort of poundages do you use on your major lifts?
Shot!
Keep well
Justin
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Hozit JRod
First off well done on your off season condition I'm sure your off season discipline will pay off .
Few questions..
You say you don't do much cardio, what sort of job do you do? is is quite physical ? (i.e. Personal trainer, construction) - One usually finds lean guys who don't do cardio expend calories via there job etc. If you're a desk jockey then your metabolism must be quite fast and fat set point naturally pretty low then...but you do say your diet is on point year round which also makes a difference.
What are your calories +- in the off season? and how do you eat on your non training days? (i.e. Do you eat less calories than on training days ?)
You say you train similar to Max Ot in what way do your training philosophies differ? (reps , volume etc)
Do you take a week off or back off for a few weeks every few weeks to recover?
What sort of poundages do you use on your major lifts?
Shot!
Keep well
Justin
My job (as I like to call it) is being a full-time proffesional student. I am getting my BS in Mathematics from the University of California; it isn't physially demanding at all.
I am guessing my calories off season are about 3300 - 4000. I know its a wide range, but here is how generally eat: I try to get at least 50-60g protein, a least 30-40g carbs per meal, about every 2 hours. I like eating fish (salmon or tuna usually), chicken, or steak with rice; and the rest of my meals are usually protein powder + oatmeal. The # of calories usually depends on how long I'm awake in a day (EG 16 hours = 7-8 meals), and whether its an off day (= less calories) or a training day (= more calories since I have a pre, mid, and post workout shake of whey+dextrose).
As for how my training differs from Max-OT, I would say it doesn't go against Max-OT, its just that I probably rest a bit more (off days), and maybe take a bit longer to train sometimes. For example, I train usually 2 days on, 1 off. Sometimes I'll train 3 in a row, but usually 2. Also, some days (especially quads/leg day), I take over 1 hour to finish (i try to finish in 1 hour, but sometimes I just need more rest or I doubt I'll make it). My reps and volume are all within the ranges prescribed by Max-OT.
As for my week off, I take one (as prescribed by Max-OT) every 8-10 weeks.
As for Poundages:
Today was leg day, so here is what i did. Squat 345 for 6 (365 for 4 best before last week off), Front squats (with a sting ray) 275 for 5, Leg Press 26 plates total (13*45 per side) for 5.
2 Days Ago chest & triceps: Barbell Bench press 305 for 4, Incline Dubmbell Press 120 for 5, Lying Triceps extensions (behind head, not to forehead) 175 for 4.
Other than that (all 4-6 reps): Barbell Curls 170, Weighted pull ups (havent done since summer) 120, Barbell rows 335, deadlifts 430, Stiff legged deadlifts (6-7 reps) 415 Dumbbell rows 145, v-bar pull-downs (depending on machine usually the whole stack or close to it) 280-300.
--Jeff
By the way, I admire your conditioning....
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Thanks for the reply and the compiliment..Damn! Got to try beat condition of that guy in the photo this year! ;)
I'm just heading into my pre-contest season now and getting really for our Nations here in South Africa. Aiming to make our National team again and compete in the "CLASSIC BB DIVISION" at the IFBB Worlds in South Korea in early November.
I've come to the same conclusion after training Max Ot for a number of years. I just found 5 days in a row was way to much...accumulate overtime I just got too worn out. (2 on 1 off or 3 on 1 off 2 on 1 off) seems to work for me too.
I'm actually experimenting right now with having a back off week every 5 weeks because I seem to peak out then and on week 6,7,8 I was starting to feel a bit run down :-\ so it really only one acclimation week and then 4 weeks of blasting heavy (it also seems to help up the intensity if you know you've only got 4 weeks...8 weeks for me just seemed too much) I guess you just have to listen to the signs your body is sending you... I'm 34 so maybe when you're younger your body can handle more abuse :)
I actually just ordered one of those STING RAYS for front squats (the bar was choking me out and crushing my clavicles)
I've actually been using the Manta ray for back squats for the past few years and I've found it really helps distribute the load over your back (not so much spinal compression) It take a bit of getting use to, you're poundage’s may drop a bit at first (because you're more upright due to the bar sitting higher on your back) but I definitely feel the weight more in my quads than in the glutes and hamstrings. So IMO I think it's superior for bodybuilding than a normal "low on the back" power lifting type squat (well for me anyway).
Good luck with the studies and the TU, who knows maybe I'll get to meet you at the Worlds.
Cheers
Justin
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I'd like to get in that type of condition regardless if its "offseason" LOL!
haha, i thought the same.
nice "offseason".
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Thanks for the reply and the compiliment..Damn! Got to try beat condition of that guy in the photo this year! ;)
I'm just heading into my pre-contest season now and getting really for our Nations here in South Africa. Aiming to make our National team again and compete in the "CLASSIC BB DIVISION" at the IFBB Worlds in South Korea in early November.
I've come to the same conclusion after training Max Ot for a number of years. I just found 5 days in a row was way to much...accumulate overtime I just got too worn out. (2 on 1 off or 3 on 1 off 2 on 1 off) seems to work for me too.
I'm actually experimenting right now with having a back off week every 5 weeks because I seem to peak out then and on week 6,7,8 I was starting to feel a bit run down :-\ so it really only one acclimation week and then 4 weeks of blasting heavy (it also seems to help up the intensity if you know you've only got 4 weeks...8 weeks for me just seemed too much) I guess you just have to listen to the signs your body is sending you... I'm 34 so maybe when you're younger your body can handle more abuse :)
I actually just ordered one of those STING RAYS for front squats (the bar was choking me out and crushing my clavicles)
I've actually been using the Manta ray for back squats for the past few years and I've found it really helps distribute the load over your back (not so much spinal compression) It take a bit of getting use to, you're poundage’s may drop a bit at first (because you're more upright due to the bar sitting higher on your back) but I definitely feel the weight more in my quads than in the glutes and hamstrings. So IMO I think it's superior for bodybuilding than a normal "low on the back" power lifting type squat (well for me anyway).
Good luck with the studies and the TU, who knows maybe I'll get to meet you at the Worlds.
Cheers
Justin
Justin,
funny you should mention that about taking a back off week every 5 or so; I was thinking about doing the same. Or even training 5-6 weeks hard, then taking 4 days off. Even though I'm 23, I still think I need plenty of rest. That is one really important thing I have learned this year, that a lot of rest is important. Actually, over the summer, right after the TU, I was so eager to make improvements that I added 1 set to most major body parts (back, chest, quads, hamstrings). After a few months, I started to get a bunch of little annoying injuries. Recently, I have backed off and cut down on sets and am now getting stronger than ever (EG I cut down on sets for chest; today was chest and I benched 325 for 4, which is a personal record).
You're right, maybe one day, if I'm lucky, I'll get to meet you at the Worlds. Take care, and good luck with your contest prep. If you take some, it would be interesting to see some pics of your progress as you get ready for Nationals (South Africa).
--Jeff
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what did you do to get the outer tri? :o my tris are getting pretty big, but really only the inside and lower one seem to be growing.
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great physique j rod.
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what did you do to get the outer tri? :o my tris are getting pretty big, but really only the inside and lower one seem to be growing.
My favorite triceps exercise is lying triceps extensions. When performing extensions I don't bring the bar to my forehead, rather I bring the bar over/behind my head, like this:
http://ast-ss.com/training/exercises/execution.asp?bp=Arm&pn=16
Aside from extensions, I would say that heavy presses (regular bench presses, or close grip) and dips are good too. (I do trices push downs sometimes)
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great physique j rod.
Thanks, SF
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Hey jrod bro what do you think about this whole volume vs hit debate? Have you tried both? Do you think you get the greatest muscle stimilus from going maximum weights every workout?
I personally feel much fuller on volume.
Keep doing your thing you are well on your way!
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Hey jrod bro what do you think about this whole volume vs hit debate? Have you tried both? Do you think you get the greatest muscle stimilus from going maximum weights every workout?
I personally feel much fuller on volume.
Keep doing your thing you are well on your way!
I personally prefer the high intensity, low volume, basic/compound exercises approach. However, I do believe there is value in finding what works for you; so if you've tried both and prefer volume, then stick with it.
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Jrod would you take in your post workout carbs even if you trained in the late evening? Or do you have a cut off time? Oh and is that manta ray thing for back squats weird to get adjusted to? Thanks!!
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Jrod would you take in your post workout carbs even if you trained in the late evening? Or do you have a cut off time? Oh and is that manta ray thing for back squats weird to get adjusted to? Thanks!!
Though I don't train late in the evening, the answer would still be Yes: I would take my post-workout shake of dextrose and whey no matter what time. If possible, I wouldn't make that shake my last meal, I would try to stay up a bit longer and get another meal in before going to bed.
I have never used the Manta Ray (for back squats), but I have been using the Sting Ray, which is for front squats.
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Though I don't train late in the evening, the answer would still be Yes: I would take my post-workout shake of dextrose and whey no matter what time. If possible, I wouldn't make that shake my last meal, I would try to stay up a bit longer and get another meal in before going to bed.
I have never used the Manta Ray (for back squats), but I have been using the Sting Ray, which is for front squats.
J Rod why do you use dextrose? why not a complex carb like brown rice? Have you always taken a post workout dextrose shake? Sorry for all the questions man but I just have it my head that consuming a simple sugar like that would put fat on me. Thank you for your time o wise one ;D
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J Rod why do you use dextrose? why not a complex carb like brown rice? Have you always taken a post workout dextrose shake? Sorry for all the questions man but I just have it my head that consuming a simple sugar like that would put fat on me. Thank you for your time o wise one ;D
Post-workout you want a FAST insulin response so you can cram all that whey into your muscle cells!
Plus, numerous studies have shown that taking in a large amount of glucose post-workout will not make you fat, you will simply re-fill your muscle cell glycogen stores.
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Post-workout you want a FAST insulin response so you can cram all that whey into your muscle cells!
Plus, numerous studies have shown that taking in a large amount of glucose post-workout will not make you fat, you will simply re-fill your muscle cell glycogen stores.
im sorry pobrecito, but I have never bought into the whole insulin spike thing. Maybe you can point me to the studies?
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I personally prefer the high intensity, low volume, basic/compound exercises approach. However, I do believe there is value in finding what works for you; so if you've tried both and prefer volume, then stick with it.
Thank you! so many people think that if something works for them then everyone should do it and it would work just as well. Also that if something doesnt work as well for them its useless and no one should do it.
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im sorry pobrecito, but I have never bought into the whole insulin spike thing. Maybe you can point me to the studies?
Check these articles out (you can check the references of the articles for some studies):
http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~jjhulmi/Manninen71.pdf
http://ast-ss.com/articles/article.asp?AID=32
http://ast-ss.com/articles/article.asp?AID=251
AND THIS STUDY: "An oral essential amino acid-carbohydrate supplement enhances muscle protein anabolism after resistance exercise"
http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/88/2/386
Blake B. Rasmussen, Kevin D. Tipton, Sharon L. Miller, Steven E. Wolf, and Robert R. Wolfe
An oral essential amino acid-carbohydrate supplement enhances muscle protein anabolism after resistance exercise
J Appl Physiol 88: 386-392, 2000.
You might have to pay to see this last one, so here's the abstract, just in case:
This study was designed to determine the response of muscle protein to the bolus ingestion of a drink containing essential amino acids and carbohydrate after resistance exercise. Six subjects (3 men, 3 women) randomly consumed a treatment drink (6 g essential amino acids, 35 g sucrose) or a flavored placebo drink 1 h or 3 h after a bout of resistance exercise on two separate occasions. We used a three-compartment model for determination of leg muscle protein kinetics. The model involves the infusion of ring-2H5-phenylalanine, femoral arterial and venous blood sampling, and muscle biopsies. Phenylalanine net balance and muscle protein synthesis were significantly increased above the predrink and corresponding placebo value (P < 0.05) when the drink was taken 1 or 3 h after exercise but not when the placebo was ingested at 1 or 3 h. The response to the amino acid-carbohydrate drink produced similar anabolic responses at 1 and 3 h. Muscle protein breakdown did not change in response to the drink. We conclude that essential amino acids with carbohydrates stimulate muscle protein anabolism by increasing muscle protein synthesis when ingested 1 or 3 h after resistance exercise.
muscle protein synthesis; stable isotopes; nutritional supplementation
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J-Rod that is some fantanstic information thank you. Quick question, how did you determine the proper amount of dextrose to use in your shakes? Do you purchase dextrose separately or do you use ast creatine dextrose product? Thanks!
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J-Rod that is some fantanstic information thank you. Quick question, how did you determine the proper amount of dextrose to use in your shakes? Do you purchase dextrose separately or do you use ast creatine dextrose product? Thanks!
He is probably just using plain jane dextrose.
Comes in $2 bags from 1fast400. You can also get it at your local brewery/wine shop.
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He is probably just using plain jane dextrose.
Comes in $2 bags from 1fast400. You can also get it at your local brewery/wine shop.
yeah I was just curious. I was thinking of getting some from true protein. I'll check out 1fast400 though.
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No problem, El Guapo.
I don't use a pre-made dextrose+creatine product; I make a pre/post-workout shake consisting of dextrose, glutamine, creatine, bcaa, and whey. I buy each of these "ingredients" separately. Aside from being A LOT cheaper this way, I am able to put exactly as much dextrose (or whatever) as I want in my shakes (I have less dextrose as I get closer to a show than I do in the off-season).
As far as determining how much dextrose, its been a long process: about 4 years ago, I started with about 25g dextrose post workout; now I am currently up to 30g pre-workout, 20g mid workout, 40g post workout. Over the years I have found that this is what works for me (I only started doing the mid-workout shake this year). I have found that, for whatever reason, a lot of carbs (dextrose) around workout time works well for me and I am still able to say lean year-round.
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Do you ever have protein shakes with dextrose on days you don't work out?
Thanks for your time.
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Do you ever have protein shakes with dextrose on days you don't work out?
Thanks for your time.
No, I would only have that after some sort of workout (cardio or weightlifting). If I didn't just workout, I would have a protein shake with oatmeal (actually, I have these often).
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Jrod,
You have great look and quality on your body ! This is a look that lot of guys admire instead of the "extreme" bodybuilding look.
My question..
Do you have any cheat meals or days off season ? pre contest ?
Do you find it dificcult to combine the lifestyle with going out and social life ?
What supplement next to basics you liked most ?
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eeeewww! i didn't know there were muscles in places like that! that's gross, but very impressive! :P
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hey j rod what type of dextrose to you use
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Jrod,
You have great look and quality on your body ! This is a look that lot of guys admire instead of the "extreme" bodybuilding look.
My question..
Do you have any cheat meals or days off season ? pre contest ?
Definitely NO cheat meals during pre-contest. Off season, if I want to I could, however, I do not usually want to cheat. I just dont have a problem with eating clean, and, I don't really think about it much. Furthermore, I really like to eat meat, so I often treat myself to a pound of steak or chicken; which is way more than i need in a sitting. I don't eat a perfect pre contest diet during the off season, but the structure is similar (i just eat a lot more, and hardly any vegetables).
Do you find it dificcult to combine the lifestyle with going out and social life ?
I'm sure its not as easy as if I didn't have to eat every two hours, but I do not have a problem with it to the point where it frustrates me. I just bring my home made mrps (little ziplock bags filled with whey and oatmeal) and sneak off to the bathroom if i have to.
People ask me this question a lot and here is how i see it. Think about what is important to you and exactly how much you are willing to sacrifice to make these things happen. Be honest with yourself, and be okay with your choice. If it is more important to you to go out and have a social life (not interrupted by having to eat on time), then do that and be okay with it. Its your life, and if it makes you happier then it should be okay.
What supplement next to basics you liked most ?
I don't know what you consider basic, so I'll just tell you all the supplements I take:
Whey protein, creatine, glutamine, BCAA, dextrose, vitamins.
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hey j rod what type of dextrose to you use
I didn't know there were different types of dextrose. Do you mean brand? If so, I buy Now Foods' dextrose cause its cheap (no other reason, really). However, i would say just buy whatever dextrose you can get a hold of that is cheap. They're probably all the same.
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thats what i ment sorry i should have been more clear
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Dextrose is crap you can use waxy maize or the best is pure vitargo dextrose will give you a very uncomfortable bloat while vitargo will keep it down shakes are not needed on non workout days the concept is to restore your empty cells after a workout cells can not be empty if you have not done anything
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Dextrose is crap. You can use waxy maize or the best is pure vitargo. Dextrose will give you a very uncomfortable bloat while vitargo will keep it down. Shakes are not needed on non workout days. The concept is to restore your empty cells after a workout. Cells can not be empty if you have not done anything.
Is this what you meant to write???
Use these plese, they are for free. .......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:::;;;'''',,>>....
It's fucking annoying to read your posts.
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Dextrose is crap you can use waxy maize or the best is pure vitargo dextrose will give you a very uncomfortable bloat while vitargo will keep it down shakes are not needed on non workout days the concept is to restore your empty cells after a workout cells can not be empty if you have not done anything
What is the Glycemic Index (GI) of waxy maize?
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Dextrose is crap you can use waxy maize or the best is pure vitargo dextrose will give you a very uncomfortable bloat while vitargo will keep it down shakes are not needed on non workout days the concept is to restore your empty cells after a workout cells can not be empty if you have not done anything
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Hey Jrod.. what's your cardio regime like?
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Hey Jrod.. what's your cardio regime like?
Off-season, I do not do any. For my last show, here's what I did ( 1 cardio = 1 session that week on an off day):
8 Weeks Out: no cardio
7 Weeks Out: 1 cardio
6 Weeks Out: no cardio
5 Weeks Out: 2 cardio in one day
4 Weeks Out: 2 cardio in one day
3 Weeks Out: 1 cardio, 1 cardio at night after morning weightlifting
2 Weeks Out: 1 cardio, 2 X 1 cardio at night after morning weightlifting
1 Week Out: NO MORE CARDIO
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Jrod,
Thanks for your reply.
Do you use a carb cycling diet ? or you work with one high carb day a week ?
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Jrod,
Thanks for your reply.
Do you use a carb cycling diet ? or you work with one high carb day a week ?
his diet is listed in this thread.
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Jrod,
Thanks for your reply.
Do you use a carb cycling diet ? or you work with one high carb day a week ?
Aside from the fact that I eat less (carbs, protein, fat) on off days compared to training days (I wouldnt call this carb cycling, though), I do not have any special high carb days. I do not do anything too fancy, I just diet harder and harder until I get lean enough.
Here is the idea (getting ready for a show):
1) I start with a basic diet (high protein, moderate carbs, low fat)
2) I gradually (weekly) reduce calories from this basic diet (mostly from carbs and fat, a bit form protein)
3) I gradually eat more and more vegetables.
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Jrod - great physique. I don't know whether to feel inspired or depressed. ;D
You mentioned a diet of high protein, moderate carb, low fat... do you know what your macro ratio is when dieting and not dieting? I don't think this has been asked and answered already, I hope.
Also, when you diet down, how are your lifts affected? I find my endurance suffers badly and I'm only good for about 25 minutes if I keep to the same weights. After that I'm a limp noodle. :-[ Do you change your routine when cutting back the cals (reduce sets or drop weight)?
Thanks for any insight.
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jrod, awesome physique!!!! really impressive...
and its good to hear you use Max-Ot, im trying for some time now and liking it...
would be too much if i asked you to post your workouts??? (i mean, what bodypart/day and what exercises...)
thanks in advance!!!
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Jrod - great physique. I don't know whether to feel inspired or depressed. ;D
You mentioned a diet of high protein, moderate carb, low fat... do you know what your macro ratio is when dieting and not dieting? I don't think this has been asked and answered already, I hope.
Also, when you diet down, how are your lifts affected? I find my endurance suffers badly and I'm only good for about 25 minutes if I keep to the same weights. After that I'm a limp noodle. :-[ Do you change your routine when cutting back the cals (reduce sets or drop weight)?
Thanks for any insight.
I do not know what it is exactly in the off season (because I dont strictly count and it fluctuates a bit: eg if i eat chicken instead of steak thats less fat), but this should give you an idea
I started my diet for this year's TU at 14 weeks out with the following breakdown: 395 Carbs, 499 Protein, 33.5 Fat = 3878 Calories
As of today I am 8 weeks out and eating: 272 Carbs, 400 Protein, 9 Fat = 2769 Calories
As far as my training goes it is similar off season and precontes, though my strength is affected by dieting. However, I do my best to dig deep and stay as strong as possible. I don't necessarily use the same weights (I WOULD IF I COULD, if i stayed as strong as off season throughout my diet!), but I keep the same rep range (4-6).
Hope this helps.
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jrod, awesome physique!!!! really impressive...
and its good to hear you use Max-Ot, im trying for some time now and liking it...
would be too much if i asked you to post your workouts??? (i mean, what bodypart/day and what exercises...)
thanks in advance!!!
I train 2-3 days on 1 day off (off season its usually always 2 on, 1 off); so, bodyparts do not always fall on the same day every week. Here is my workout; unless noted, i train in a 4-6 rep range, and i train in the order listed
1) Back, Biceps: 2 barbell rows, 2 weighted pull ups, 2 cable rows/ 2 dumbell curls, 2 barbell curls
2) Chest, Triceps: 2 Incline barbell, 2 incline dumbell, 2 plate loaded hammer strength decline/ 2 lying extensions, 2 cable push-downs
3) Quads, Hamstrings: 2 Squats, 2 Leg Presses, 2 Hack Squats / 2 Hamstring Raises (aka GHR), 3 Lying Leg curls
4) Traps (6-8 reps), Abs (7-9), Forearms(6-8): 3 Shrugs / 2 cable crunches, 3 dumbbell crunches / 2 barbell wrist curls (off bench), 2 standing Dumbbell wrist curls
5) Shoulders, Calves(6-8): 2 Barbell Presses, 2 Dumbbell Presses, 2 Side laterals / 3 Standing Calf raises, 2 Seated Calf Raises.
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perfect, sweet and simple thats all you need is basic movements, heavy weight, good form and consistency. your a true inspiration j rod i started to pack my own lil mrps a week ago. oatmeal and whey in a ziplock and I'm getting about 50 g more carbs and 100 gm more protein a day. putting me at 320 gm protein, 150 gm carbs, 70 gm fat
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Hahaha, thats great. I hope that helps out-- I know it has been very convenient for me and has saved me a lot of money.
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I train 2-3 days on 1 day off (off season its usually always 2 on, 1 off); so, bodyparts do not always fall on the same day every week. Here is my workout; unless noted, i train in a 4-6 rep range, and i train in the order listed
1) Back, Biceps: 2 barbell rows, 2 weighted pull ups, 2 cable rows/ 2 dumbell curls, 2 barbell curls
2) Chest, Triceps: 2 Incline barbell, 2 incline dumbell, 2 plate loaded hammer strength decline/ 2 lying extensions, 2 cable push-downs
3) Quads, Hamstrings: 2 Squats, 2 Leg Presses, 2 Hack Squats / 2 Hamstring Raises (aka GHR), 3 Lying Leg curls
4) Traps (6-8 reps), Abs (7-9), Forearms(6-8): 3 Shrugs / 2 cable crunches, 3 dumbbell crunches / 2 barbell wrist curls (off bench), 2 standing Dumbbell wrist curls
5) Shoulders, Calves(6-8): 2 Barbell Presses, 2 Dumbbell Presses, 2 Side laterals / 3 Standing Calf raises, 2 Seated Calf Raises.
thanks man!!! similar to my routine in some days, im also doing a little less volume and its getting even more similar to yours.
as some people already said, you are really an inspiration. keep the good work!
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Jrod,
Thanks for the response.
Your current diet looks roughly 39-58-3 and 6 weeks ago 41-51-8.
My carbs are about the same (40%), but protein is lower (250g) and fats much higher (25-30%). I thought this would give me sufficient protein while controling insulin and fat gain (to some extent) on a clean bulk. Problem is - I don't look like you. 8)
You really seem to favor protein into a range where most naturals don't go, and fats are amazingly low. I would really like to know what led you to this approach, or if you found it by trial and error to just be what works for you (and it obviously does!) Is your energy level and sex drive (not to go to far here) generally good - I have heard that extremely low fat diets can lower test levels.
Also about high protein - good story about you and your mate eating 300g of protein powder in the gym parking lot! ;D
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Jrod,
Thanks for the response.
Your current diet looks roughly 39-58-3 and 6 weeks ago 41-51-8.
My carbs are about the same (40%), but protein is lower (250g) and fats much higher (25-30%). I thought this would give me sufficient protein while controling insulin and fat gain (to some extent) on a clean bulk. Problem is - I don't look like you. 8)
You really seem to favor protein into a range where most naturals don't go, and fats are amazingly low. I would really like to know what led you to this approach, or if you found it by trial and error to just be what works for you (and it obviously does!)
Aside from being influenced by certain articles and people (skip lacour, jeff willet, etc.) that advocate high protein, I have found over the years that there is a correlation between my protein intake and rate at which I improve. Of course, I am still learning what is best for my body, but I have noticed that I make better gains off season and hold on to more muscle pre contest when I keep my protein intake very high.
As for fats, in order to lower calories, i must reduce either carbs, protein, or fat. Since i want my protein intake to be high, i usually reduce protein least, and reduce most from fat and carbs. This is what, so far, I have found works for ME.
Is your energy level and sex drive (not to go to far here) generally good - I have heard that extremely low fat diets can lower test levels.
Also about high protein - good story about you and your mate eating 300g of protein powder in the gym parking lot! ;D
remember, the above diet is pre contest; i eat more fats off season. I think EFA are necessary and good for growth, however, my main concern when getting ready for a show is conditioning (gaining muscle is done in the off season and once dieting starts, that is what i have to work with). Furthermore, I doubt i will go lower than above in terms of fat, so the ratios you calculated will change as i drop carbs (and a bit of protein towards the end).
Regarding energy levels, i do start to feel more tired and have a harder time getting through workouts as i get closer to the show (due to lack of calories), but this is inevitable. Like i said, my main concern is getting lean; and if that means i have to suffer a bit, so be it (its only for a few weeks a year, anyways).
Finally, regarding my sex drive, even when dieting my sex drive is good (if not annoying). Genetics, age, personality, who knows, but i do not have a problem with sex drive, despite the fact that I too have heard that low fat diets affect testosterone levels. Remember, I eat less calories and low fats FOR PRE CONTEST, NOT YEAR ROUND; so, if you are NOT getting ready for a show, I would suggest a more reasonable level of fats and calories.
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gaining muscle is done in the off season and once dieting starts, that is what i have to work with
Your offseason condition is absolutely awesome J! :o
Do you attribute this to simply being on target with your cals and not having too much spillover to bodyfat? Or do you pepper your offseason with short periods of fat loss?
As I get older it seems that fat gain is becoming an increasing inevitability (34 now - damn handles! :() when making strength and muscle gains. I've been considering a "sawtooth" approach of 2 weeks bulk/1 week diet, but I don't want to stifle the growth of a healthy natural hormonal state.
Any way, I promise to quit pestering ya soon. ;D Best of luck in your upcoming show - I'm sure you're gonna kick ass!
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Your offseason condition is absolutely awesome J! :o
Do you attribute this to simply being on target with your cals and not having too much spillover to bodyfat? Or do you pepper your offseason with short periods of fat loss?
As I get older it seems that fat gain is becoming an increasing inevitability (34 now - damn handles! :() when making strength and muscle gains. I've been considering a "sawtooth" approach of 2 weeks bulk/1 week diet, but I don't want to stifle the growth of a healthy natural hormonal state.
Any way, I promise to quit pestering ya soon. ;D Best of luck in your upcoming show - I'm sure you're gonna kick ass!
First of all, thanks for the compliment and good luck.
I would attribute my off season condition to diet and genetics. I do NOT have short periods of dieting/fat loss in the off season. I simply eat to build muscle while staying relatively lean (ie a good amount of food, but not WAY too much). I try to keep protein intake high, try not to eat way too much in the form of carbs and fat (but eat enough), and try to eat relatively clean. I have learned (so far) what "enough" or "how much i need" is through trial and error over the years.
As for your "sawtooth" approach, I would say give it a try. You've just gotta figure out what works for you.
As for asking questions, Its okay. After all, if i was really pestered/bothered by them I just wouldn't respond; so go ahead. ;)
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J Rod,
Do you cycle creatine, and if so, how long on and how long off ?
Also, what from do you use ? monohydrate
kre-alkalyn
ethyl-ester
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I would attribute my off season condition to diet and genetics. I do NOT have short periods of dieting/fat loss in the off season. I simply eat to build muscle while staying relatively lean
AAARRGH! ;D
Even on 40c-30p-30f, I feel like I'm eating a lot of carbs sometimes. I'll do some playing around with it and start supplementing some protein powder to up the 30p (been using whole foods only for awhile), and track my progress for a month or so.
As for asking questions, Its okay. After all, if i was really pestered/bothered by them I just wouldn't respond; so go ahead. ;)
It's great having a natural competitor here, J. Thanks for taking the time to post and for sharing your knowledge, bro. :)
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It's great having a natural competitor here, J. Thanks for taking the time to post and for sharing your knowledge, bro. :)
Jrod is all class and it's an honour to have him post on this board. :)
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J Rod,
Do you cycle creatine, and if so, how long on and how long off ?
Also, what from do you use ? monohydrate
kre-alkalyn
ethyl-ester
Yes, I do cycle off creatine. I take a week off from training/gym every 7-10 weeks. I usually stop taking creatine the last few days of the last week at the gym, stay off the entire week off and first week back, and start loading again the second week back.
In general, i stay on creatine for about 8 weeks and take 2 weeks off. I always load when i start the cycle of creatine. Also, I use monohydrate.
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AAARRGH! ;D
Even on 40c-30p-30f, I feel like I'm eating a lot of carbs sometimes. I'll do some playing around with it and start supplementing some protein powder to up the 30p (been using whole foods only for awhile), and track my progress for a month or so.
When supplementing with protein powder, i think the most beneficial time to take this would be pre/post workout (with some dextrose or high GI carbs). This should help get your intake higher, too.
It's great having a natural competitor here, J. Thanks for taking the time to post and for sharing your knowledge, bro. :)
No problem.
Jrod is all class and it's an honour to have him post on this board. :)
Thanks!
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Hey guys :). I've been on these Boards as a guest for a while now and thought it was about time to get into the action so to speak ;).
I have to say that some of the tips that JROD has posted here have helped me quite a bit and answered a number of questions that have been nagging me for a while. It's great to hear from someone that is down to earth and happy to share what he has learnt with others. Keep it up mate, all your advice and knowledge is much appreciated :).
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Hey guys :). I've been on these Boards as a guest for a while now and thought it was about time to get into the action so to speak ;).
I have to say that some of the tips that JROD has posted here have helped me quite a bit and answered a number of questions that have been nagging me for a while. It's great to hear from someone that is down to earth and happy to share what he has learnt with others. Keep it up mate, all your advice and knowledge is much appreciated :).
Great #1 post. :)
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Hey guys :). I've been on these Boards as a guest for a while now and thought it was about time to get into the action so to speak ;).
I have to say that some of the tips that JROD has posted here have helped me quite a bit and answered a number of questions that have been nagging me for a while. It's great to hear from someone that is down to earth and happy to share what he has learnt with others. Keep it up mate, all your advice and knowledge is much appreciated :).
Thanks, Honour. I'm happy to help.
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Hey Jrod,
What do you do for chest training? Days per week, exercises, sets, ect.
Thanks!
I train chest once per week and do a total of 6-7 sets in a 4-6 rep range. I choose from the following exercises:
Barbell bench press
incline barbell/dumbbell press
decline barbell press
Dips
and sometimes the Hammer Strength plate loaded machines (decline and incline).
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Jeff,
Reading your posts have been an absolute pleasure. You are truly an inspiration to all natural and non-naturabl bodybuilders. You definitely take bodybuilding very seriously, but also seem to be keeping it very well balanced with the rest of your life (studies, social life, etc). Which I am quite impressed by.
I've learned a lot from your posts and believe me I'm preparing a whole bunch of questions to send your way very soon.
What are your plans for the future in regards to competition as well as other aspects in your life?
Keep up the great work big guy.
Ahmed
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Jeff,
Reading your posts have been an absolute pleasure. You are truly an inspiration to all natural and non-naturabl bodybuilders. You definitely take bodybuilding very seriously, but also seem to be keeping it very well balanced with the rest of your life (studies, social life, etc). Which I am quite impressed by.
I've learned a lot from your posts and believe me I'm preparing a whole bunch of questions to send your way very soon.
What are your plans for the future in regards to competition as well as other aspects in your life?
Keep up the great work big guy.
Ahmed
Thank you for the compliments, and I'm glad you've enjoyed my posts, Ahmed.
Outside of bodybuilding, my focus right now is on graduating from college (I am getting a BS in Math from the University of California in a month). As for bodybuilding, I am currently preparing for the 2007 Team Universe (6 1/2 weeks out).
As for your questions, bring them on.
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Jrod,
Can you keep us updated with some progress pics as you prepare for your competition?
Thx.
Here's a picture that was taken today, 6 weeks out.
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Darn JROD your shoulders look like they are full and round mate, lookin good :D!
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Incredible...put many drug users to shame.
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:o 8) :o that's unreal.
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just awesome!!!
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Crazy teardrops J. :o
Do you squat heavy, 4-6 range Max-OT style? If so, any knee trouble? How many sets to warm up?
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Crazy teardrops J. :o
Do you squat heavy, 4-6 range Max-OT style? If so, any knee trouble? How many sets to warm up?
Yes, I squat (and do other quad exercises) in a 4-6 rep range. I have had sore knees before, but I just try to be careful by avoiding exercises that hurt and training around (not through) the problem. If squats are bothering my knee/s, I would either change my foot positioning or do a different exercise until the problem goes away.
As for warm-ups, I do about 4 before actually doing a real, working set.
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jrod,
what brand and what type of protein powder do you use? do you use different kinds for yor workout drinks than from your meals with the oatmeal?
thanks!
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Hey J what do you do for shoulders?
Thanks.
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jrod,
what brand and what type of protein powder do you use? do you use different kinds for yor workout drinks than from your meals with the oatmeal?
thanks!
Offseason: around workout time i use Bioplex's Pure WPI (I used to use ASTs VP2, but found a good deal on the bioplex). On non workout times (EG with my oatmeal) I use Optimum Nutrition's 100% whey.
Pre Contest: Now that I am being really concious of calories, I use Bioplex's Pure WPI for everything since it has 0 Fat and 0 carbs.
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Hey J what do you do for shoulders?
Thanks.
Mostly presses. Here are the exercises I choose from: Standing or seated barbell presses, seated dumbell presses, side laterals, and the plate loaded hammer strength shoulder press. I do 5-6 sets total (after warming up) all in a 4-6 rep range.
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What is the Glycemic Index (GI) of waxy maize?
hey JRod, great thread.
so I'm thinking by this comment that you pay close atttention to the GI when structuring a diet, it this a correct assumption?
Thanks
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hey JRod, great thread.
so I'm thinking by this comment that you pay close atttention to the GI when structuring a diet, it this a correct assumption?
Thanks
Thanks, and yes, that is correct. I consume high GI carbs for breakfast and around the workout, and low GI carbs the rest of the time.
Here is a site with a good database of the GI of different foods: http://www.glycemicindex.com/
Click on "GI Database" on the left to find specific foods.
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Thanks, and yes, that is correct. I consume high GI carbs for breakfast and around the workout, and low GI carbs the rest of the time.
Here is a site with a good database of the GI of different foods: http://www.glycemicindex.com/
Click on "GI Database" on the left to find specific foods.
have you ever read "macrobolic nutrition" by gerard dente? He owns the MHP supplement company but put out this book which does eventually push his supps but otherwise I think it's a pretty good guide to how to eat low GI carbs.....
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I do 5-6 sets total (after warming up) all in a 4-6 rep range.
4-6 reps, when you say that mate do you mean that you do 5-6 sets of the same exercise of about 4-6 reps? Just curious as i may give it a go, i normally sit around the 3 sets of 8-12 range. Cheers :).
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have you ever read "macrobolic nutrition" by gerard dente? He owns the MHP supplement company but put out this book which does eventually push his supps but otherwise I think it's a pretty good guide to how to eat low GI carbs.....
No, never read it, but I'll take a look at it if I happen to see it at Borders; thanks.
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4-6 reps, when you say that mate do you mean that you do 5-6 sets of the same exercise of about 4-6 reps? Just curious as i may give it a go, i normally sit around the 3 sets of 8-12 range. Cheers :).
No, I mean 5-6 total sets for shoulders (whether it be 2 exercises for 3 sets each, 3 exercises for 2 sets each, etc.), and each set is done in the 4-6 rep range.
For example, 2 sets of seated barbell presses (4-6 reps/set); 2 sets of seated dumbell presses (4-6 reps/set); 2 sets of side laterals (4-6 reps).
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No, I mean 5-6 total sets for shoulders (whether it be 2 exercises for 3 sets each, 3 exercises for 2 sets each, etc.), and each set is done in the 4-6 rep range.
For example, 2 sets of seated barbell presses (4-6 reps/set); 2 sets of seated dumbell presses (4-6 reps/set); 2 sets of side laterals (4-6 reps).
Ahhhh cool thanks. Kind of like Yates training style etc. I don't really think i can handle my weights or have enough control of my form to go that heavy for low reps at the moment. But i will try it in a few months to mix it up and see how it goes :). It is obviously working for you and I'm always up to try something fresh. Thanks again mate!
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Hey J-Rod, what do you think of Machine Pullovers - 1-2 sets on the 4-6 rep range, doing a 4-6 sec. negative and explosive positive? As part of a 6 set back workout.
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can you post some more progress pics? always impressed by your physique man. ive been doing a routine similar to max-ot also and getting good results. seems like i perform better in the 4-6 rep range.
Actually, I haven't taken any since the last one I posted. But, I'll post picture/s if I take some this weekend.
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Hey J-Rod, what do you think of Machine Pullovers - 1-2 sets on the 4-6 rep range, doing a 4-6 sec. negative and explosive positive? As part of a 6 set back workout.
My initial reaction upon reading this was to say that I would prefer weighted pull-ups or cable pull-downs (for an exercise that targets lats, primarily). However, this may not be a fair response as I have never done machine pullovers before (my gym here does not have one). After thinking about this for a moment, here's what I think. If pullovers feel like theyre stimulating your back well, you think they're a good exericse, and you can go heavy on them, then they should be okay. Of course I would say that if I was only able to do ONE back exercise it would not be machine pullovers, but incorporating them into your routine once in a while (if you like them) can't hurt. I think it is important to find what works well for YOU.
On a side note, I think its good that you are going to focus on the negative (though 6 seconds seems like a really long time). That is one thing I have learned which has really helped; focusing on/controlling the negative part of the movement.
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What count do you prefer for positive and negative J?
Is this the same for all movements, or do you vary it from exercise to exercise?
(Hope this hasn't been asked & answered already... long thread!)
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What count do you prefer for positive and negative J?
Is this the same for all movements, or do you vary it from exercise to exercise?
(Hope this hasn't been asked & answered already... long thread!)
I don't have a specific count which I shoot for, nor do I actually count in my head while I'm doing a set; rather, I simply know (based on feel) when I am in control and putting enough emphasis on the negative. If I were to guess, it would be something like fast/explosive (maybe a second) on the postive, and about 2-3 seconds on the negative. But, again, I simply know by feel when I am in control.
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can anyone let me know about where JROd's off season diet is in this thread, or maybe bump it...I'm very intereted in checking it out but don't think I can go through the whole thread to find it. I've recently become very intersted in the GI and using it to lean out, I've made some progress but would like to know if I'm on the right track.
Thanks
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can anyone let me know about where JROd's off season diet is in this thread, or maybe bump it...I'm very intereted in checking it out but don't think I can go through the whole thread to find it. I've recently become very intersted in the GI and using it to lean out, I've made some progress but would like to know if I'm on the right track.
Thanks
I don't think Jrod worries much about GI. Looks like the main source of carbs in his contest diet is straight glucose :o
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Here is the basic structure of my diet:
MEAL#
1) High GI Carbs, Protein (low fat)
TRAIN (~2 hours after meal 1)
Pre workout: Dextrose, Whey
Mid workout: Dextrose, Whey
Post workout: Dextrose, Whey
25 min post workout: Dextrose, Whey
2) 1 hr post workout: High GI Carbs, Protein (low fat)
3) 2 ½ hr post workout: High GI Carbs, Protein (low fat)
4) ~2 hours after meal 3: Low GI Carbs, Protein
5) ~2 hours after meal 4: Low GI Carbs, Protein, good fats
6) ~2 hours after meal 5: Low GI Carbs, Protein
7) ~2 hours after meal 6: Low GI Carbs, Protein, good fats
My offseason and precontest diet follow the same basic structure (though amounts and ratios change).
I posted this above, but http://www.glycemicindex.com/ has a good database to check the GI of different foods.
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I use the pullovers because it doesnt use the bicep and the neg. is easier to control. I usually do 1 set of weighted chins to failure. (OH) then 1 set of Machine Pullovers to failure, 1 set of Floor deads, no straps, 1 set of cable rows and 1 set hyperextensions. All in the 4-7 rep range, with the slow neg. First rep is 6 sec. and then 2-3 like you are doing. I usually hit back with 5-6 real sets and warm up the OT way. I am due to compete in 16 weeks at 95kg and 6 feet 1. You are a fair bit bigger than me though. I have some deads and squats on youtube under the search :Big Lee heavy deadliftin or squats.
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I use the pullovers because it doesnt use the bicep and the neg. is easier to control. I usually do 1 set of weighted chins to failure. (OH) then 1 set of Machine Pullovers to failure, 1 set of Floor deads, no straps, 1 set of cable rows and 1 set hyperextensions. All in the 4-7 rep range, with the slow neg. First rep is 6 sec. and then 2-3 like you are doing. I usually hit back with 5-6 real sets and warm up the OT way. I am due to compete in 16 weeks at 95kg and 6 feet 1. You are a fair bit bigger than me though. I have some deads and squats on youtube under the search :Big Lee heavy deadliftin or squats.
I took a look at some of your videos on youtube. Damn, that deadlift was impressive--very strong! Good luck with your show in 16 weeks.
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Thanks bro, I have the photo from this thread of your tricep on my fridge as the benchmark for condition. You are a good inspiration for me. I appreciate the comments. Leon.
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Thanks bro, I have the photo from this thread of your tricep on my fridge as the benchmark for condition. You are a good inspiration for me. I appreciate the comments. Leon.
That's a killer tricep shot! 8)
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what titles have you won Jrod?
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How's the TU preps going, what weight class are you entering?
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what titles have you won Jrod?
Haven't won any titles. I am not deserving of the title of this thread ..."Nattie BB CHAMP"
Hopefully one day I will deserve the title.
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How's the TU preps going, what weight class are you entering?
The prep has been and is going well. Just a couple more days to go!
I don't know which class I will fall under, middle or light-heavy. My guess is that I will just make one or the other. I'll either be at the top of the middleweight class, or at the bottom of the light-heavyweight class.
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Haven't won any titles. I am not deserving of the title of this thread ..."Nattie BB CHAMP"
Hopefully one day I will deserve the title.
Jrod a bit of psychology.. "the body won't go where the mind hasn't been FIRST".. You are a BB champ!
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I came across this and thought it might be of some interest to you guys:
"Creatine Efficacy Headlines At Sports Nutrition Meeting
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Kre-alkalyn supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates.
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Creatine ethyl ester rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid..."
http://www.npicenter.com/anm/templates/newsATemp.aspx?articleid=18806&zoneid=28
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Yup. I got wind of this a couple weeks ago and tried to contact AAP (makers of KreAlkaline) for a comment and I even get through on their website. They appear to have battened down the hatches.
Are you gonna tell us that's why you've always used monohydrate, 'cause you knew all along J? ;D
Seriously man, is monohydrate your preference?
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"Are you gonna tell us that's why you've always used monohydrate, 'cause you knew all along J? ;D"
Hahah, no. I have always used monohydrate because, 1) I dont usually trust the hype behind "new"/"breakthrough" supplements which are "600% better" ... 2) monohydrate is SOOO much cheaper.
Even if these other two forms of creatine were A BIT better (not 600% better!), I think I'd still take monohydrate because of the cost.
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That's what i said all the time.
creatine monohydrate is the best.
Except CEE, all other forms of creatine are a hype. -citrate, -alkalyn, -whatever.
and even CEE is only for the people that get stomach problems on monohydrate.
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5 days out! My last day of eating vegetables
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Hang in there J!
How are the lifts? Have you lost much strengh? Also, what was your average loss per week?
BTW, will you be wearing your "Team GetBig" shirt at the comp? ;D
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Hang in there J!
How are the lifts? Have you lost much strengh? Also, what was your average loss per week?
BTW, will you be wearing your "Team GetBig" shirt at the comp? ;D
What there are T-shirts?!? LOL..
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Uhh...ya! PM me for details! Only $89.95!
J - That word above should be "strength."
Just to clarify, I meant - what was your average weight loss per week?
Let us know how it goes at the comp... we'll comp ya a shirt! :D
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Geeze thats tough , low carb and low fat meals like that! How many calories u on a day atm JROD or have been coming up to the comp?
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5 days out! My last day of eating vegetables
Go JROD! give it horns all the way to the end man! Got 7 weeks left till my first contest of '07 so I'm busy treading up the path you've been climbing.
Hope all goes well and looking forward to seeing some pics of your freaky conditioning and hearing how thing went .
Justin
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Go JROD! give it horns all the way to the end man! Got 7 weeks left till my first contest of '07 so I'm busy treading up the path you've been climbing.
Hope all goes well and looking forward to seeing some pics of your freaky conditioning and hearing how thing went .
Justin
Good to have you contributing on our board Justin, it s good to see other Natural bber's supporting one of our own and good luck with your own preps.
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Hang in there J!
How are the lifts? Have you lost much strengh? Also, what was your average loss per week?
BTW, will you be wearing your "Team GetBig" shirt at the comp? ;D
Strength right now is no longer an issue as, being that I'm 4 days out, I have recently stopped training to 100% failure and have began my slight/gradual carb up/increase in calories process. I must say, however, that this pre-contest season compared to last year, my strength was much better (didn't go down as much); and I was very happy about this.
I don't know what my average weight loss per week has been since I have not, until recently, been keeping track of my bodyweight (because knowing I weigh X pounds less and stepping under a barbell for a heavy set of squats is mentally uncomfortable; furthermore, I don't want my weight to affect how I decide to diet).
Recently however, the most common weight that comes up is 189 lbs. However, its fluctuates quite a bit throughout the day. For example:I went to bed two nights ago weighing 193; after a long nights sleep and peeing in the morning I weighed 181; within an hour of waking I weighed 189; about 1 hour after training I weighed 192; then 189 in the early evening; then 196 late in the evening; and finally I weighed 193 again before going to be last night. The picture below (taken a few minutes ago; wearing only boxers) is what I weigh right now.
Keeping track of my bodyweight and noticing these fluctuations have even more so reinforced my idea that bodyweight, for ME, is not a good indicator of my conditioning/where I stand/how I look. But, it is sometimes interesting.
As for the "Team Getbig" shirt, comp me and I'll wear it. ;)
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Go JROD! give it horns all the way to the end man! Got 7 weeks left till my first contest of '07 so I'm busy treading up the path you've been climbing.
Hope all goes well and looking forward to seeing some pics of your freaky conditioning and hearing how thing went .
Justin
Thanks, Justin. Hope your prep is going and goes very well. Remember this when it gets too tough: as difficult as those hard days might seem when you're right in the midst of it, it only takes 1 day of carbing up to feel GREAT and feel like "that wasn't that bad". Funny how that is (for me at least). I've been dieting since 14 weeks out and that last couple of weeks have been tough, but all of a sudden, I begin the process of increasing calories & carbs and and now I think its not that bad, and I feel great. The process can be made a lot easier, or a lot harder, just by how you think of it (being positive or negative).
Take care and good luck.
--Jeff
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Good luck Jrod, go get em mate 8).
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good luck buddy, cant wait to see some pics. Leon.
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As for the "Team Getbig" shirt, comp me and I'll wear it. ;)
RON!!!!!!!!!
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here's an update. From yesterday, 1 day out:
http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/content/view/924/161/
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also from yesterday; 1 day out.
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/browse/index.php?mode=browse&id=8798&eventcode=488
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Hey J-Rod it was nice meeting you yesterday. Your conditioning is outstanding. Hope you do well tonight. I got 2nd callout, but there were only 3 guys called out during 1st callout so I'm unsure of how I'm going to place tonight.
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Hey J-Rod it was nice meeting you yesterday. Your conditioning is outstanding. Hope you do well tonight. I got 2nd callout, but there were only 3 guys called out during 1st callout so I'm unsure of how I'm going to place tonight.
It was nice meeting you too, Gene. I was looking around backstage yesterday and saw this guy pumping up and I was really impressed by his back development; the guy turned around and it was you. You looked good. You've got a really tough class though--a lot of good guys: Bill Lawrence, Kelly Pettiford just to name a few.
So, I wish you the best out there tonight. See you in a few hours, and good luck.
--Jeff
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Good luck once again guys. Fantastic MD vid there JRod :).
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Hook us up with some comparison photos from the comp. This thread has given me so much inspiration since it's conception I've lost 30lbs.
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damn bro. you must be pulling the hottest pieces of ass..
you look awesome man. i could disect you and say that you could use a little bit more muscle in the upper pecs, rear triceps, and traps. but im sure you already know that. and regardless, every poster here would love to be able to say that they look like you and are natural. most of the juicers would like to look like you as well.
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yep good inspiration to anyone thinking about roids.
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Jrod, congratulations on your improvements!!! you looked leaps and bounds better than you did a year ago. Keep at it bro and that first place will come!!!!!!
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Thanks for all the nice words, guys, I really appreciate it. As for the comparison pics, I can post them when I get home (I'm still in NY) and have access to my own computer. My flight leaves tomorrow, so I'll try and do it by wednesday.
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Hi Jrod,
Congrats on your placing at the team universe. You looked awsome.
Your diet look's very similar to Skip La Cour's - similar to what I copy - pack the High GI carbs around my training session and then low GI carbs throught he rest of the day. Did you use any of Skip's techniques to help you get ready for this comp and to get rid of all the water for that super dry look?
Thanks
Mat
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Hook us up with some comparison photos from the comp. This thread has given me so much inspiration since it's conception I've lost 30lbs.
These are from musculardevelopment.com , taken by Bill Comstock.
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The pictures look much bigger when viewed directly from the site:
http://www.musculardevelopment.com/browse/index.php?mode=contest&eventcode=1134
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Hi Jrod,
Congrats on your placing at the team universe. You looked awsome.
Your diet look's very similar to Skip La Cour's - similar to what I copy - pack the High GI carbs around my training session and then low GI carbs throught he rest of the day. Did you use any of Skip's techniques to help you get ready for this comp and to get rid of all the water for that super dry look?
Thanks
Mat
Mat,
Thanks!
Yes, the way I manipulate water and sodium is based on Skip La Cour's strategies, though I have made my own little personal adjustments (EG I drank 5 gallons of water up until 2 days out; I believe Skip begins tapering it down a bit earlier). I have always looked up to Skip and Jeff Willet. When I first started bodybuilding I used to read all their articles and follow along in their training journals; therefore, much of the way I do things is heavily influenced by these two. If you are going to copy someone's pre-contest strategies, I think Skip La Cour is a great choice.
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You look great in those pictures. I would say your only weakness is your lower back. Your lower lats look non-existent compared to most of the other competitors. Maybe focus more on strict reverse grip barbell rows? Besides that though I'd say you would have won the contest!
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Mat,
Thanks!
Yes, the way I manipulate water and sodium is based on Skip La Cour's strategies, though I have made my own little personal adjustments (EG I drank 5 gallons of water up until 2 days out; I believe Skip begins tapering it down a bit earlier). I have always looked up to Skip and Jeff Willet. When I first started bodybuilding I used to read all their articles and follow along in their training journals; therefore, much of the way I do things is heavily influenced by these two. If you are going to copy someone's pre-contest strategies, I think Skip La Cour is a great choice.
Yeah I remember following Jeff and Skip's journals when they were competing at the Team Universe - it proved to be a great motivator for myself and I learnt a lot from there focus and dedication.
I think it would be a great idea for your next comp to have an online training journal which people can follow - either way your a champion and hopefully next year you can earn your pro card.
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I think you did everything right, Jrod.
I'm not going to stroke you like a lot of these guys on here.
You were outmuscled and are lacjing in muscle maturrity. At least at this time.
All you need is more time.
I'm sure you've answered this in this thread somewhere.
How old are you?
How long have you been training (and I mean seriously ike you did this past couple of years)?
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I think you did everything right, Jrod.
I'm not going to stroke you like a lot of these guys on here.
You were outmuscled and are lacjing in muscle maturrity. At least at this time.
All you need is more time.
I'm sure you've answered this in this thread somewhere.
How old are you?
How long have you been training (and I mean seriously ike you did this past couple of years)?
Agree with what you said; I need more muscle maturity and need to fill out my frame. Like you said, this will come in time (but I'm trying hard to make it sooner rather than later).
I am 23 years old ( born January 1st 1984). I started lifting weights 6 years ago (the summer, around July, when I was 17). I dont know exactly at which point my training would be called serious, but I can say that I started training and eating fairly well pretty soon after I started; maybe 6-8 months, maybe a year.
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Agree with what you said; I need more muscle maturity and need to fill out my frame. Like you said, this will come in time (but I'm trying hard to make it sooner rather than later).
I am 23 years old ( born January 1st 1984). I started lifting weights 6 years ago (the summer, around July, when I was 17). I dont know exactly at which point my training would be called serious, but I can say that I started training and eating fairly well pretty soon after I started; maybe 6-8 months, maybe a year.
I think that you've had great results because you started eating well at an early stage, I only wish I can go back to when I started and eaten back then like how I eat now!!! I think that makes a world of a difference
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Agree with what you said; I need more muscle maturity and need to fill out my frame. Like you said, this will come in time (but I'm trying hard to make it sooner rather than later).
I am 23 years old ( born January 1st 1984). I started lifting weights 6 years ago (the summer, around July, when I was 17). I dont know exactly at which point my training would be called serious, but I can say that I started training and eating fairly well pretty soon after I started; maybe 6-8 months, maybe a year.
You're just a baby! Already competing and doing very well at the national level.
If were so easy to dominate anything at such a young age and with only 6 years in, how worthwhile would that be? Yes, guys, even in natural bodybuilding!
Jrod and the rest of you can get better and better. Even if you are natural.
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Jrod with your cardio did you do short intense sessions?
Also how many cardio sessions were you doing a week and did you start to do two cardio sessions on any one day towards the end of your comp?
Thanks
Mat
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Jrod with your cardio did you do short intense sessions?
Also how many cardio sessions were you doing a week and did you start to do two cardio sessions on any one day towards the end of your comp?
Thanks
Mat
I did a total of 11 or 12 sessions. There were only 2 days where I did 2 sessions of cardio in one day. I did most of my cardio session around 6-2 weeks out, but I did my first session at 9 weeks out.
As for the type, I did something a bit different this year. Only once did I do a completely continuous session (15 min). Every other time I split my cardio into 2-3 parts, what I called "sets," and rest about 3 minutes between each. The sum of these sets usually came out to be about 12-14 minutes.
For example, I would sprint around the track for about 3:30, then get on the elliptical for about 5 minutes, rest 3 minutes, then get on the bike for another 5 minutes. Each of these sets would be very intense.
another example: Elliptical for 7 minutes, rest 3, then stair stepper for 7.
I did a diffrent combination or order each time (I just made sure I was pushing myself VERY hard). This also allowed me to break up my shakes for cardio so that I had a pre, mid, and post-workout shake.
I really liked this method of cardio. Never heard of anyone doing this, but I liked it. Its kind of like high intensity/max-ot cardio, but with intervals.
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wow that sound's like a very interesting method of doing cardio. I normally have my pre and post shake around cardio but the mid shake sounds like a great concept to help protect muscle during cardio and keep fueling your body.
The way you do cardio will also provide a change from the same 16min session, and stop your body from getting use to using the same equipment. Might give it a go soon
Thanks
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wow that sound's like a very interesting method of doing cardio. I normally have my pre and post shake around cardio but the mid shake sounds like a great concept to help protect muscle during cardio and keep fueling your body.
The way you do cardio will also provide a change from the same 16min session, and stop your body from getting use to using the same equipment. Might give it a go soon
Thanks
yeah, give it a try and let me know if you like it. Also, just to clear it up, it isnt like i added a mid workout shake (added as in extra calories), rather i took some dextrose and protein from my pre and from my post to make a mid shake.
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I did a total of 11 or 12 sessions. There were only 2 days where I did 2 sessions of cardio in one day. I did most of my cardio session around 6-2 weeks out, but I did my first session at 9 weeks out.
As for the type, I did something a bit different this year. Only once did I do a completely continuous session (15 min). Every other time I split my cardio into 2-3 parts, what I called "sets," and rest about 3 minutes between each. The sum of these sets usually came out to be about 12-14 minutes.
For example, I would sprint around the track for about 3:30, then get on the elliptical for about 5 minutes, rest 3 minutes, then get on the bike for another 5 minutes. Each of these sets would be very intense.
another example: Elliptical for 7 minutes, rest 3, then stair stepper for 7.
I did a diffrent combination or order each time (I just made sure I was pushing myself VERY hard). This also allowed me to break up my shakes for cardio so that I had a pre, mid, and post-workout shake.
I really liked this method of cardio. Never heard of anyone doing this, but I liked it. Its kind of like high intensity/max-ot cardio, but with intervals.
Odd that you do it this way in light of some recent research that points out that breaking up cardio will introduce more fatty acids into blood stream presumably from fat stores (equaling fat burning).
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Odd that you do it this way in light of some recent research that points out that breaking up cardio will introduce more fatty acids into blood stream presumably from fat stores (equaling fat burning).
I wasn't aware of this research, but that sounds good. It was just on a hunch that I decided to go about doing cardio the way I did this year. I wanted to try it out and found that I liked it.
Could you direct me to this research; either post a link to it, or post the abstract. Thanks.
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Very well done JROD! You definitely beat your previous best there (just as conditioned, yet more filled out) Awesome to see...You had all those guys on legs by far. Matched the guy with the Mohawk on arms, delts and had a narrower waist than him. The only place I see you improving on is your lats compared to him. (Please take this as a constructive crit.) My guess is the strength of your arms and shoulders are taking a lot of the work away from your back training. I don't think it's a exercise you are missing... you need to focus on the execution (stretch and contraction, pulling more from your baby finger) during back training to really activate those lats.i think Gary Strydom has a similar thing going on (overpowering arms/delt strength) This is nit picking put the other thing I can see needs focus is calves (which I know are stubborn as hell!) One tip which I’ve found has helped myself greatly is putting a 4-6 sec. pause at the bottom of each rep, it has really bought mine up considerably (Kind of eliminates the elastic recoil of the Achilles tendon)
Other wise again, well done! Conditioning could not have been better, you are really close now.
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I wasn't aware of this research, but that sounds good. It was just on a hunch that I decided to go about doing cardio the way I did this year. I wanted to try it out and found that I liked it.
Could you direct me to this research; either post a link to it, or post the abstract. Thanks.
http://physorg.com/news103964322.html
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Very well done JROD! You definitely beat your previous best there (just as conditioned, yet more filled out) Awesome to see...You had all those guys on legs by far. Matched the guy with the Mohawk on arms, delts and had a narrower waist than him. The only place I see you improving on is your lats compared to him. (Please take this as a constructive crit.) My guess is the strength of your arms and shoulders are taking a lot of the work away from your back training. I don't think it's a exercise you are missing... you need to focus on the execution (stretch and contraction, pulling more from your baby finger) during back training to really activate those lats.i think Gary Strydom has a similar thing going on (overpowering arms/delt strength) This is nit picking put the other thing I can see needs focus is calves (which I know are stubborn as hell!) One tip which I’ve found has helped myself greatly is putting a 4-6 sec. pause at the bottom of each rep, it has really bought mine up considerably (Kind of eliminates the elastic recoil of the Achilles tendon)
Other wise again, well done! Conditioning could not have been better, you are really close now.
Thanks very much for the constructive criticism, Justin; I really appreciate it. And, I agree with what you said, I could use some more development in, among other areas, lats and calves. You might very well be right about the arms/delts overpowering. Do you think it could be because I rarely use straps on back exercises? I pretty much only use straps on deadlifts, barbell/dumbbell rows (not on pulldowns, cable rows, etc.). Furthemore, I have only used straps the last 2-2.5 years. As you mentioned, I'll try to focus on pulling from my pinky next time I train back and see how this feels. Thanks!
While I'm on the subject of constructive criticism, if anyone else ( I know pobrecito and mwbbuilder have) would like to suggest areas I should improve upon and exercises/methods to do so, I would be very happy to read about it.
Hope your prep is going well, Justin. How many weeks out?
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http://physorg.com/news103964322.html
Thanks a lot!
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Thanks very much for the constructive criticism, Justin; I really appreciate it. And, I agree with what you said, I could use some more development in, among other areas, lats and calves. You might very well be right about the arms/delts overpowering. Do you think it could be because I rarely use straps on back exercises? I pretty much only use straps on deadlifts, barbell/dumbbell rows (not on pulldowns, cable rows, etc.). Furthemore, I have only used straps the last 2-2.5 years. As you mentioned, I'll try to focus on pulling from my pinky next time I train back and see how this feels. Thanks!
While I'm on the subject of constructive criticism, if anyone else ( I know pobrecito and mwbbuilder have) would like to suggest areas I should improve upon and exercises/methods to do so, I would be very happy to read about it.
Hope your prep is going well, Justin. How many weeks out?
I was checking out some other photo's on Iron man and your lat spead is pretty good (Wide) so it may have something do with your actual posing in your year double bi (It almost looks like you pinch your scapular back and away from your rib cage, making you appear narrow, instead of flairing them outwards and keeping them in line your rib cage )
Yeah could be, I use straps for all back excercises and aside from the "pinky technique" try use my hand more to pull with than actually grip onto the bar (if that makes sence) I train forarms on their own with a few sets on arms day, plus all the indirect work they get which is more than enough work for them.
My prep is going really well thanks and I'm pleased with where I'm at right now(I may take some pics this weekend and post them up...just 4 1/2 weeks to go! 11 cardios a week at the moment. Last night I tried what you did with your cardio (I did 3 sets of 5 minutes with a 3 minute break in between -Elliptical Machine,stepper then recumbant bike) I really like it too, and I think I'm going to do it that way from now on, my overall intensity was higher which is what it's all about.
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Jeff just a few questions out of interest:
What was your lowest you took your calories leading up to the show? and what were your nutrient ratios? (grams of Protein, Carbs, fat)
How many days out did you stop doing cardio and weights training?
the final week how much did you carb up on each day? over how many days? and from what sources? ...did you do anything different in the last week that you thought made a difference, or did you use the same approach as last year?
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I was checking out some other photo's on Iron man and your lat spead is pretty good (Wide) so it may have something do with your actual posing in your year double bi (It almost looks like you pinch your scapular back and away from your rib cage, making you appear narrow, instead of flairing them outwards and keeping them in line your rib cage )
Yeah could be, I use straps for all back excercises and aside from the "pinky technique" try use my hand more to pull with than actually grip onto the bar (if that makes sence) I train forarms on their own with a few sets on arms day, plus all the indirect work they get which is more than enough work for them.
My prep is going really well thanks and I'm pleased with where I'm at right now(I may take some pics this weekend and post them up...just 4 1/2 weeks to go! 11 cardios a week at the moment. Last night I tried what you did with your cardio (I did 3 sets of 5 minutes with a 3 minute break in between -Elliptical Machine,stepper then recumbant bike) I really like it too, and I think I'm going to do it that way from now on, my overall intensity was higher which is what it's all about.
Could be my posing, which has been mentioned to me before, but either way, I could use more development in the lower lats/ lats insertion area. I'll wear straps and use your "pinky technique" next time I train back.
Glad to hear your prep is going well. Also glad to hear you liked that method of cardio. I too felt that my overall intesity was higher, therefore making the session more effective/productive. (also, it was a lot more fun).
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Jeff just a few questions out of interest:
What was your lowest you took your calories leading up to the show?
and what were your nutrient ratios? (grams of Protein, Carbs, fat)
At my lowest point, 2 weeks out, I was having about
Off Day: 365 Protein, 175 Carbs, 11 Fat = ~ 2,260
Training Day: 365P, 215C, 10F = ~2,400
How many days out did you stop doing cardio and weights training?
about a week out for cardio, and my last training day was Tuesday (show on Friday). Though about the last 3 or 4 days were not to 100% failure
the final week how much did you carb up on each day? over how many days? and from what sources?
I gradually started carbing up on Sunday (GRADUALLY!). Sources were the same foods I was eating minus the vegetables (just more of rice cakes, dextrose, oats)
...did you do anything different in the last week that you thought made a difference, or did you use the same approach as last year?
I used a similar approach as last year, however there were some minor differences: I drank 5 gallons of water starting saturday until Wednesday. On thursday(1 day out) I drank about 1.25 gallons, and friday and saturday I drank about 1 gallon (about 50 oz before stage, 80 oz after)
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maybe try a bit less carbs and some more fat in ur diet, and I'd bet ud be even fuller on stage!.
Thats also pretty crazy how u dropped over 10lbs the night before the contest..........u must have been holding more water than an arabian camel!
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thanks for the answers Jeff, that's very similar to what I do except my calories are a bit lower the last 2 weeks (1700 off day - 1900 training day) But then I'm slightly lighter Bodyweight- welter weight.
My fat intake is a slight bit more than yours, I get 20 grams of fish oil from caps - and 6 grams of CLA Plus 10-12 grams from my food - 36 grams total.
* The fish oils I've used this year has made a huge difference. better recovery (lower inflamation) more mentally sharpnes, leaner on my abs than usual (better insulin sensitivity) which I attribute to the extra fishoil.Even AST has upped the ratio of their heathy fat on their nutritional calculator...
http://www.ast-ss.com/asp/weight.asp
One thing I've done this year is to stay away from ephedrine, I think it's been a good call as I certain it causes adrenal fatigue/burnout if used too frequently you're are dieting hard and training a lot and use it when your already tired. I may use some in the last two weeks only as an emergency if I need it ( more to blunt hunger and give me mental sharpness for work if I'm feeling brain dead and under pressure at work.)
Did you use any stimulants at all?
Once again thanks for the answers :)
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thanks for the answers Jeff, that's very similar to what I do except my calories are a bit lower the last 2 weeks (1700 off day - 1900 training day) But then I'm slightly lighter Bodyweight- welter weight.
My fat intake is a slight bit more than yours, I get 20 grams of fish oil from caps - and 6 grams of CLA Plus 10-12 grams from my food - 36 grams total.
* The fish oils I've used this year has made a huge difference. better recovery (lower inflamation) more mentally sharpnes, leaner on my abs than usual (better insulin sensitivity) which I attribute to the extra fishoil.Even AST has upped the ratio of their heathy fat on their nutritional calculator...
http://www.ast-ss.com/asp/weight.asp
One thing I've done this year is to stay away from ephedrine, I think it's been a good call as I certain it causes adrenal fatigue/burnout if used too frequently you're are dieting hard and training a lot and use it when your already tired. I may use some in the last two weeks only as an emergency if I need it ( more to blunt hunger and give me mental sharpness for work if I'm feeling brain dead and under pressure at work.)
Did you use any stimulants at all?
Once again thanks for the answers :)
Isn't ephedrine illegal Mr. Super "Natural?
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shhhh, according to gh15 everything under 3g of test is natural.
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thanks for the answers Jeff, that's very similar to what I do except my calories are a bit lower the last 2 weeks (1700 off day - 1900 training day) But then I'm slightly lighter Bodyweight- welter weight.
My fat intake is a slight bit more than yours, I get 20 grams of fish oil from caps - and 6 grams of CLA Plus 10-12 grams from my food - 36 grams total.
* The fish oils I've used this year has made a huge difference. better recovery (lower inflamation) more mentally sharpnes, leaner on my abs than usual (better insulin sensitivity) which I attribute to the extra fishoil.Even AST has upped the ratio of their heathy fat on their nutritional calculator...
http://www.ast-ss.com/asp/weight.asp
One thing I've done this year is to stay away from ephedrine, I think it's been a good call as I certain it causes adrenal fatigue/burnout if used too frequently you're are dieting hard and training a lot and use it when your already tired. I may use some in the last two weeks only as an emergency if I need it ( more to blunt hunger and give me mental sharpness for work if I'm feeling brain dead and under pressure at work.)
Did you use any stimulants at all?
Once again thanks for the answers :)
No problem, thats what this thread is for: asking questions, giving answers, sharing tips, etc.
Almost all the fats in my diet were from flax/fish oil pills. I think next year I will try having a higher ratio of good fats when I diet (and this offseason I will have more good fats).
As for stimulants, I did not use ephedrine. I have never taken stimulants/fat burning supplements for the sake of getting lean; the only time I have/do take stimulants is before training for the energy boost. Last year I would alternate between coffee and a caffeine based energy boosting supplement. This year I did not take any of the pills; I just used coffee for my pre-workout energy boost. And not because I wanted to avoid the caffeine/energy pills, rather I just really enjoyed my pre-workout iced coffees (being that Davis, CA is very hot in the summer (90-100 degrees) the cold drink is nice, and being that I was dieting the coffee would be like a treat).
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j-rod you go to school in at Davis?
I live in sac and am always out at davis to practice with the wrestling team as well as hang out with alot of buds that go to school there.
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I have increased my good fats also lately and started taking Myo-D the last 6 months and have also noticed the help it gives with recovery, and I also feel that I have made some of my best gains in the past few months.
Super Natural do you have any progress pics of how things are coming along? Would be interested in seeing them.
Thanks
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j-rod you go to school in at Davis?
I live in sac and am always out at davis to practice with the wrestling team as well as hang out with alot of buds that go to school there.
Yeah, I'm still here; but not for long. I just graduated from UCD last quarter, so I'll be moving back to the Bay Area (San Francisco).
You ever work out at the ARC? Thats where I train.
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I have increased my good fats also lately and started taking Myo-D the last 6 months and have also noticed the help it gives with recovery, and I also feel that I have made some of my best gains in the past few months.
Super Natural do you have any progress pics of how things are coming along? Would be interested in seeing them.
Thanks
Yeah, I second that.
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no I'm fairly new to the area and only get out there to wrestle, I'm training at golds gym in Laguna, its only a few months old, congrats on graduating thats a huge accomplishment.
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Yeah, I second that.
Cool here we go…This was taken last weekend 5 weeks out. I’ll some more this weekend in better lighting.
mwbbuilder : Isn't ephedrine illegal Mr. Super "Natural?
– Well not here in South Africa, we can still buy ephedra based product at the health shop.
* I did used ephedrine back in 2005 but haven’t touched it since then, (I didn’t like the jittery feeling it gave me and the crash afterwards) As to whether you think that make me ”Natural” or “un-Natural” I know a lot of Natural bodybuilders in the USA have tried an Ephedra based product at one time or another before the ban (I mean Skip and Jeff Willet use Dymetadene Extreme or what ever it’s called) Now I just use an ephedrine free/green tea product with caffeine and that’s all. Otherwise I’m lifetime drug free (except Pre bodybuilding when I was young and dumb I had the odd joint in college, which didn’t exactly help my bodybuilding ;) …There are no drug tested shows to compete in here in SA so my little bit of ephedrine is Pretty tame considering I compete in the IFBB untested shows.
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Mate you look like your right on track for 5 weeks out and of course great. It looks like you already have done the hard work, and now it's just time to present it the best way possible. All the best of luck and keep us updated on how things go.
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Hello jrod!
You are truly inspirational.....congra tulations, I wish you the best in bb and your life.
I have a simple question regarding food-cals-grams measurements.
How do you measure your food?
Tell me some tips!
Thanks.
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Hello jrod!
You are truly inspirational.....congra tulations, I wish you the best in bb and your life.
I have a simple question regarding food-cals-grams measurements.
How do you measure your food?
Tell me some tips!
Thanks.
I'll tell you how I measure my food, but let me first say this. It isn't a big deal weather you measure something in terms of volume, weight, size, etc. The important issue is to have an accurate way of doing this and keeping the same standard. When dieting, it is the difference (reduction) that matters.
With that, here is what I use:
For dry foods like oats, cereal, dextrose, rice, etc., and for liquids I'll use a measuring cup; or, a teaspoon in the case of dextrose.
EG: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/ce/Measuring_cup.jpg/300px-Measuring_cup.jpg
http://lagostina.com/boutique-c/media/procladspoons.jpg
For beef, chicken, fish, I'll use a food scale:
EG: http://precisiondigitalscales.com/library/2Cibo_2.jpg
For certain things like egg whites or bananas (given a certain length) I'll simply look up how much protein,carbs,fat are in one and make that my standard.
Here is a good place to look up the macronutrient breakdown of foods: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
Hope this helps. Thanks for the nice words.
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Justin,
You look very good for 5 weeks out in the picture; you look on track to come in well conditioned.
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Jrod how much cardio do you do in the off-season?
Also, roughly how much protein, carb, and fat intake in the off season?
Thanks
Mat
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Jrod how much cardio do you do in the off-season?
Also, roughly how much protein, carb, and fat intake in the off season?
Thanks
Mat
Off-season, I do not do cardio. Very Roughly around 370 Carbs, 460 Protein, 50 Fat. I'll get back to you on this, though. I plan on writing down a new offseason diet plan with some small, minor changes compared to last year.
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jrod, thanks for the reply!
I've got another question for you.....regarding my tri's
They are well ripped but lack of mass from the behind, they are flat and dont have the ")" look..
What do you recommend me doing?
i hit them twice a week one with chest and one with arms...
Help!!!
Thanks
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jrod, thanks for the reply!
I've got another question for you.....regarding my tri's
They are well ripped but lack of mass from the behind, they are flat and dont have the ")" look..
What do you recommend me doing?
i hit them twice a week one with chest and one with arms...
Help!!!
Thanks
Without seeing a picture of your triceps (I'm assuming the heads are in relative proportion) I would say its probably a matter of time. Simply put, just keep training them. What I do is train my triceps once a week directly (they get worked on shoulder day too) after chest. I have never trained them on an "arms" day. I do a total of 4 sets; with each set in a 4-6 rep range. For example, my current triceps routine is 2 sets of lying triceps extensions (4-6 reps) followed by 2 sets of hammer strength dips (4-6 reps).
Here are my favorite triceps exercises:
**Lying triceps extensions (skull crushers, but bar is brought behind head; not to forehead, if I could only do one execise for trcieps, this would be it)
**Lying or Decline Dumbbell extensions
**Close grip bench press
**Dips for triceps (minimize forward lean to keep overload on triceps; I started using the hammer strength seated dip machine for this as it is more comfortable on my wrists http://www.usedgymequipment.com/hammer/seated_dip.jpg )
**Overhead dumbbell extensions (don't often do these, but you might like them)
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Thanks for the reply!!!
Another one,
Lets say i want 60 carbs (from rice) and 45 protein (from chicken breast)
How do you measure rice and chicken? cooked or raw?
Thanks
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Thanks for the reply!!!
Another one,
Lets say i want 60 carbs (from rice) and 45 protein (from chicken breast)
How do you measure rice and chicken? cooked or raw?
Thanks
1 cup of cooked rice yields about 40g carbs. Therefore, 1/4 of a cup of cooked rice yields about 10g carbs, or 60g of carbs is about 1/4x 6 cups = 1.5 cups of cooked rice.
According to http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ , 100g of "chicken breast, oven-roasted, fat-free, sliced" yields 16.79g of protein. Therefore, you have a ratio of 100 g chicken/16.79g protein = 5.96g chicken/1g protein. So, if you want to know how many grams of chicken will yield X amount of protein, then do the following calculation: (X)(5.96). In your case, (45)(5.96) = 268g of chicken.
I could have given you simple answers, 60g carbs from rice is 1.5 cups of cooked rice and 45g protein from chicken breast is about 268 grams of chicken cooked, but I wrote it as it is above to give you an idea of how i go about measuring/calculating macro nutrients in foods.
Like i said before, just have a standard you stick to (EG, dont measure chicken raw one day, then measure cooked another day).
Use the database I pasted a link for above.
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Off-season, I do not do cardio. Very Roughly around 370 Carbs, 460 Protein, 50 Fat. I'll get back to you on this, though. I plan on writing down a new offseason diet plan with some small, minor changes compared to last year.
As promised, here is my new off-season diet plan: http://www.speciesnutrition.com/athletejrod2.html
The following changes from last year were made:
1) meal 3 used to be high GI; now i eat slow to medium GI carbs at this time.
2) I am making sure I will get more healthy fats (olive oil, raw nuts, fat from sardines, etc.)
3) I switched to Isolyze (whey isolate) as my source of whey protein (which is my predominant daily source of protein). I used to take whey isolate for my workout shakes and a whey blend (isolate+concentrate) for other times (due to $$$); now I will take whey isolate for all my shakes.
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Thanks for that jrod. Just curious with the pasta for a low GI source. What sort of pasta do you use and how do you cook it? Boil it? Do you use anything for flavouring the pasta.
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Thanks for that jrod. Just curious with the pasta for a low GI source. What sort of pasta do you use and how do you cook it? Boil it? Do you use anything for flavouring the pasta.
No problem!
I do not eat pasta that often, and not cause of any other reason than I like rice better (rice and chicken, rice and tuna, rice and steak, etc.). But, the key thing I look for is that the pasta is made from durum wheat/semolina (so that its low GI), though most pasta is. I cook it by boiling it and, off-season, I'll use pasta sauce on it. I used to eat pasta more often a couple years ago; at this time i used to mix canned tuna with my pasta (with pasta sauce). It might sound gross, but I actually like the way it tastes (and its not very expensive!).
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Off-season, I do not do cardio. Very Roughly around 370 Carbs, 460 Protein, 50 Fat. I'll get back to you on this, though. I plan on writing down a new offseason diet plan with some small, minor changes compared to last year.
jrod, I see you're on a very high protein-low/moderate carb-low fat diet
Roughly:
39%Carbs / 12%Fats / 49% Proteins
1. Why do you go so low on fat?
2. Why have you decided to not follow a traditional diet somewhere along the lines of 50-30-20?
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jrod, I see you're on a very high protein-low/moderate carb-low fat diet
Roughly:
39%Carbs / 12%Fats / 49% Proteins
1. Why do you go so low on fat?
2. Why have you decided to not follow a traditional diet somewhere along the lines of 50-30-20?
Its probably closer to 14-17; but still low (http://www.speciesnutrition.com/athletejrod2.html)
First of all, I do not like to use percentages when coming up with my diet. Also, I should say that my priority between the 3 macronutrients is protein. I have learned, over the years, that I need a lot of protein why? I'm not sure; metabolism?; regardless I have gradually increased my intake over the years and noticed a strong correlation with improvements and more protein. Right now, off-season, I want to get over 400g protein per day (~450). If I were to use the traditional ratios (as above) this would give me more carbs than I think I need (I'm assuming the above ratio, 50-30-20 is for carbs, protein, fat, respectively; if so, then with 30% of my calories are from protein and I'm taking in 450g protein, I would have to eat 750g carbs! to get 50% of my calories from carbs).
I should also say that I probably eat a bit more fat than I write down in my diet since i dont measure exactly in the off-season. My main priority is to eat enough protein; if I eat a bit more fat or carbs (not way more) this is fine.
Finally, I should also say that this is still (and will always be) a learning process for me. One thing I am focusing on this off-season is getting enough healthy fats. Also next year when I diet I will keep my ratio of good fats a bit higher. Hopefully this will help me improve.
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Its probably closer to 14-17; but still low (http://www.speciesnutrition.com/athletejrod2.html)
First of all, I do not like to use percentages when coming up with my diet. Also, I should say that my priority between the 3 macronutrients is protein. I have learned, over the years, that I need a lot of protein why? I'm not sure; metabolism?; regardless I have gradually increased my intake over the years and noticed a strong correlation with improvements and more protein. Right now, off-season, I want to get over 400g protein per day (~450). If I were to use the traditional ratios (as above) this would give me more carbs than I think I need (I'm assuming the above ratio, 50-30-20 is for carbs, protein, fat, respectively; if so, then with 30% of my calories are from protein and I'm taking in 450g protein, I would have to eat 750g carbs! to get 50% of my calories from carbs).
I should also say that I probably eat a bit more fat than I write down in my diet since i dont measure exactly in the off-season. My main priority is to eat enough protein; if I eat a bit more fat or carbs (not way more) this is fine.
Finally, I should also say that this is still (and will always be) a learning process for me. One thing I am focusing on this off-season is getting enough healthy fats. Also next year when I diet I will keep my ratio of good fats a bit higher. Hopefully this will help me improve.
Do you get any digestion problems from a diet so high in protein or none at all? What are your main protien sources?
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Also............how to measure my rice ? Lets say 100 grams
after or before cooking.....?
im asking this because after cooking it becomes double in quantity, i dont think a dish full to the top of rice is
normal.
Thanks!
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What does it say on the bag? ::)
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Do you get any digestion problems from a diet so high in protein or none at all? What are your main protien sources?
I do not have a problem at all with it. If I should have a problem with it (as in most people do) then maybe its because I'm used to it and have gradually increased protein over the years.
Main sources: whey, chicken breast, egg whites, tuna. Sometimes steak, salmon, or other fish.
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Also............how to measure my rice ? Lets say 100 grams
after or before cooking.....?
im asking this because after cooking it becomes double in quantity, i dont think a dish full to the top of rice is
normal.
Thanks!
to measure rice, use a measuring cup. like Tapeworm said, check out the nutrition label.
Don't know if you meant 100g of rice or carbs, so
100g rice COOKED = about 23g carbs
100g carbs = about 2 1/3 cups COOKED
after or before cooking, doesn't matter, just use the same standard EVERYTIME.
When you don't know, try looking at the nutrition label, it should give you an idea of how to measure. otherwise, try this:
http://www.calorieking.com/
(search for rice if you want that)
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One more thing. you say you don't think its normal to have your bowl filled with rice. Well, unless you have a problem with undereating (which most people don't) or MUST get in a minimum number of calories, then just eat less. If its the case that the amount of carbs from rice you allow yourself (in your diet) is more than you can comfortably finish, then you no longer have to measure because you can eat what you want and not overeat. This make sense?
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JRod, how much of your daily protein would you say comes from whey?
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JRod, how much of your daily protein would you say comes from whey?
Varies day to day in the off-season since I don't eat exactly the same everyday; 1 day i might have chicken & rice for a certain meal, another day I might not be home so I'll eat whey and oats (easier to prepare & eat) for this certain meal. I would say AT LEAST 300g protein from whey.
One thing I'm really happy about is the fact that I can have whey isolate for all of my whey meals/shakes this off-season. I used to use concentrate (or a blend of concentrate/isolate) during non-workout times; but now I can have isolate at all whey meals!!!
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To me it's really amazing you've made the progress you have becuase I've seen studies showing that using whey alone is not great at all for building muscle mass compared to protein blends or whole food.
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To me it's really amazing you've made the progress you have becuase I've seen studies showing that using whey alone is not great at all for building muscle mass compared to protein blends or whole food.
pobrecito,
Thats an interesting comment. I'd like to look into this a bit more. I have always thought that whey is the best protein for bodybuilders (Whey Isolate in particular). I'll get back to you about this; but, thanks for bringing it up. For now...
Okay, granted I did not do a very indepth search; just did one quick search with key words "whey" and "muscle" on pubmed. Couldn't find anything comparing whey VS protein blends; but, I did find this:
1: Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2006 Oct;16(5):494-509.Links
The effect of whey isolate and resistance training on strength, body composition, and plasma glutamine.Cribb PJ, Williams AD, Carey MF, Hayes A.
Exercise Metabolism Unit, Center for Ageing, Rehabilitation, Exercise and Sport (CARES), Australia.
Different dietary proteins affect whole body protein anabolism and accretion and therefore, have the potential to influence results obtained from resistance training. This study examined the effects of supplementation with two proteins, hydrolyzed whey isolate (WI) and casein (C), on strength, body composition, and plasma glutamine levels during a 10 wk, supervised resistance training program. In a double-blind protocol, 13 male, recreational bodybuilders supplemented their normal diet with either WI or C (1.5 gm/kg body wt/d) for the duration of the program. Strength was assessed by 1-RM in three exercises (barbell bench press, squat, and cable pull-down). Body composition was assessed by dual energy X-ray absorptiometry. Plasma glutamine levels were determined by the enzymatic method with spectrophotometric detection. All assessments occurred in the week before and the week following 10 wk of training. Plasma glutamine levels did not change in either supplement group following the intervention. The WI group achieved a significantly greater gain (P < 0.01) in lean mass than the C group (5.0 +/- 0.3 vs. 0.8 +/- 0.4 kg for WI and C, respectively) and a significant (P < 0.05) change in fat mass (-1.5 +/- 0.5 kg) compared to the C group (+0.2 +/- 0.3 kg). The WI group also achieved significantly greater (P < 0.05) improvements in strength compared to the C group in each assessment of strength. When the strength changes were expressed relative to body weight, the WI group still achieved significantly greater (P < 0.05) improvements in strength compared to the C group.
PMID: 17240782 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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ITS UP!
My "In the Trenches" leg training segment is up:
http://mdtv.musculardevelopment.com/content/category/30/126/204/
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Good informative Vids with Palumbo there. He asked some good questions I was impressed. I was suprised to see you take soo much rest between sets. Is that just a post contest/ off season thing? and do you cut down rest time leading up to a contest to help burn a few calories?
And one more question... Do you do anything soley for obliques?
Thanks in advanced.
I'm going to post some pics here to show some of the progress I've made with the helpful motivation of this thread.
I was 210lbs at 5'7 when I started cutting. I'm now around 175-180lbs. It fluxuates alot when you get leaner I've noticed. And Yes, I am a life time natural too!
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/saucetradomous/hndclsp1.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/saucetradomous/legmossimo.jpg) (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/saucetradomous/abprog.jpg)
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Good informative Vids with Palumbo there. He asked some good questions I was impressed. I was suprised to see you take soo much rest between sets. Is that just a post contest/ off season thing? and do you cut down rest time leading up to a contest to help burn a few calories?
And one more question... Do you do anything soley for obliques?
Thanks in advanced.
I'm going to post some pics here to show some of the progress I've made with the helpful motivation of this thread.
I was 210lbs at 5'7 when I started cutting. I'm now around 175-180lbs. It fluxuates alot when you get leaner I've noticed. And Yes, I am a life time natural too!
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/saucetradomous/hndclsp1.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/saucetradomous/legmossimo.jpg) (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/saucetradomous/abprog.jpg)
First of all, good job on the progress you've made, thats a pretty drastic change (30+ pounds)! You look good! I'm glad this thread has been helpful to you.
Regarding rest, it is the same pre-contest or off-season. I do not vary my rest (or my weight-training workouts) to stimulate/enhance burning calories. Regardless off what time of year, I lift to build muscle. Diet (and cardio) will take care of getting me leaner.
As for obliques, I do not directly train them; I think they get plenty of work as stabilizers during exercises like squats, deadlifts, barbell rows, overhead presses, etc.
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To me it's really amazing you've made the progress you have becuase I've seen studies showing that using whey alone is not great at all for building muscle mass compared to protein blends or whole food.
So I spent some time doing a bit of research on this. I used only PubMed to search for articles. It was a bit difficult to find articles regarding this issue; but, here is what I found.
Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA Vol. 94, pp. 14930-14935, December 1997
Physiology
Slow and fast dietary proteins differently modulate postprandial protein accretion
(amino acid turnover / postprandial protein anabolism / milk protein / stable isotopes)
Yves Boirie*, Martial Dangin*,, Pierre Gachon*, Marie-Paule Vasson, Jean-Louis Maubois§, and Bernard Beaufrère*,¶
ABSTRACT
The speed of absorption of dietary amino acids by the gut varies according to the type of ingested dietary protein. This could affect postprandial protein synthesis, breakdown, and deposition. To test this hypothesis, two intrinsically 13C-leucine-labeled milk proteins, casein (CAS) and whey protein (WP), of different physicochemical properties were ingested as one single meal by healthy adults. Postprandial whole body leucine kinetics were assessed by using a dual tracer methodology. WP induced a dramatic but short increase of plasma amino acids. CAS induced a prolonged plateau of moderate hyperaminoacidemia, probably because of a slow gastric emptying. Whole body protein breakdown was inhibited by 34% after CAS ingestion but not after WP ingestion. Postprandial protein synthesis was stimulated by 68% with the WP meal and to a lesser extent (+31%) with the CAS meal. Postprandial whole body leucine oxidation over 7 h was lower with CAS (272 ± 91 µmol·kg1) than with WP (373 ± 56 µmol·kg1). Leucine intake was identical in both meals (380 µmol·kg1). Therefore, net leucine balance over the 7 h after the meal was more positive with CAS than with WP (P < 0.05, WP vs. CAS). In conclusion, the speed of protein digestion and amino acid absorption from the gut has a major effect on whole body protein anabolism after one single meal. By analogy with carbohydrate metabolism, slow and fast proteins modulate the postprandial metabolic response, a concept to be applied to wasting situations. [/color] [/color]
Subjects.
Sixteen young healthy subjects participated in the different studies. All subjects had a normal physical examination (mean ± SD: age 24 ± 4 years; body mass index 21.9 ± 1.8 kg/m2). They maintained their usual physical activity, with an usual protein-energy intake of 38 kcal·kg1·d1 (16% protein) during the 3 days before the study. A written informed consent was obtained from each participant. The experimental protocol was approved by the Ethical Committee of Clermont-Ferrand.
Conclusion
In conclusion, we demonstrate that the speed of amino acid absorption after protein ingestion has a major impact on the postprandial metabolic response to a single protein meal. The slowly absorbed CAS promotes postprandial protein deposition by an inhibition of protein breakdown without excessive increase in amino acid concentration; by contrast, a fast dietary protein stimulates protein synthesis but also oxidation. This impact of amino acid absorption speed on protein metabolism is true when proteins are given alone, but as for carbohydrate, this might be blunted in more complex meals that could affect gastric emptying (lipids) and/or insulin response (carbohydrate); thus, further studies are needed to confirm the specific roles of nonprotein substrates on whole body protein metabolism. This concept of slow and fast proteins could be applied to circumstances in which protein deposition has to be improved (i.e., protein-energy malnutrition) and in which excessive protein intakes have to be avoided (elderlies, renal diseases). [/color]
From this I can see where you're coming from. But, here's my defense of whey.
First of all, these subjects had BMIs indicating they're probably not bodybuilders (they probably don't need the protein to build muscle like someone who trains). Furthermore, their intake was only 16% protein (maybe when you eat so much protein like i do the effect is different). Also, I am eating every 2 hours; this might change things (eating so frequently that despite the whey being emptied faster, its also being constantly eaten so it is never "empty").
Finally, regarding these comments: "true when proteins are given alone", "further studies are needed to confirm the specific roles of nonprotein substrates on whole body protein metabolism" , I eat my protein with carbs (and often times fat); therefore, this will slow down the whey.
This was the only study I was able to find on this subject. I found a somewhat related study regarding different proteins (fast and slow) for older people:
J Physiol. 2003 Jun 1;549(Pt 2):635-44. Epub 2003 Mar 28. Links
The rate of protein digestion affects protein gain differently during aging in humans.Dangin M, Guillet C, Garcia-Rodenas C, Gachon P, Bouteloup-Demange C, Reiffers-Magnani K, Fauquant J, Ballèvre O, Beaufrère B.
This particular study cited the previous one, but went on to say that
"In conclusion, during aging, protein gain was greater with WP (rapidly digested protein), and lower with CAS (slowly digested protein). This suggests that a 'fast' protein might be more beneficial than a 'slow' one to limit protein losses during aging."
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Sick forearms in this pic! 8) Good job.
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Hi JRod
In your last full week of training before the week before the show (when your carbs where at their lowest) did you maintain the same intensity in your cardio? Or drop back to a more moderate intensity?
Also do you use any glutamine at all?
Perhaps I missed you mentioning it? It's just I noticed your carbs at your lowest point are quite a bit higher than mine (I'm at 110 grams a day) but then I'm taking in 90 grams of glutamine a day (ala Skip and Jeff) on top of the carbs so I think that supplements the low carbs and helps to keep my glycogen levels up, despite my lower carb intake. Next year I'm toying with the idea of maybe using less glutamine (something like 30 grams) and just use dextrose around my workouts. I like the Glutamine but it does get expensive especially at 90 -100 grams a day!
By the way, just saw the "In the Trenches" series was awesome! Well done, great to see knowledgeable Natural guys getting some recognition! :)
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congrats on your species nutrition sponsorship deal!
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Hi JRod
In your last full week of training before the week before the show (when your carbs where at their lowest) did you maintain the same intensity in your cardio? Or drop back to a more moderate intensity?
My very last cardio session was done on friday, 1 week out. I did this session, along with all the others, at high intensity. If anything, I would do less time and still high intensity rather than moderate intensity at the same time. If you're worried about this, then how about doing even higher intensity!, but for only 10 minutes, or 8 minutes (just make those few minutes count!).
Also do you use any glutamine at all?
Yes, I used about 5-10g before, 5g during, 10g after with cardio. With lifting, I used about 5-10g before and 5-10g after.
Perhaps I missed you mentioning it? It's just I noticed your carbs at your lowest point are quite a bit higher than mine (I'm at 110 grams a day) but then I'm taking in 90 grams of glutamine a day (ala Skip and Jeff) on top of the carbs so I think that supplements the low carbs and helps to keep my glycogen levels up, despite my lower carb intake. Next year I'm toying with the idea of maybe using less glutamine (something like 30 grams) and just use dextrose around my workouts. I like the Glutamine but it does get expensive especially at 90 -100 grams a day!
Yeah, glutamine is expensive. I only used 20-30g per training day and usually none on off days. My overall calories are higher than yours, so that should account for the extra carbs. Also, my ratio of fat to protein/carbs is lower than yours (which I will up for next year's diet).
By the way, just saw the "In the Trenches" series was awesome! Well done, great to see knowledgeable Natural guys getting some recognition! :)
Thanks! I appreciate that
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congrats on your species nutrition sponsorship deal!
Thanks, Flex. I'm really happy about this. When I started bodybuilding I thought that it would be really cool if one day I could just get free protein powder! hahaha...
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Thanks, Flex. I'm really happy about this. When I started bodybuilding I thought that it would be really cool if one day I could just get free protein powder! hahaha...
Hahaha quotes like that make you a man after my own heart Jrod ;D. Well done mate and keep up with the great info here, always love reading your posts!!!
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do u get all of the species nutrition products for free, like the fat burners and everything else???
Also now do u pimp all of their clothing as well??? :)
And last but not least, your big time now man, a sticky on both getbig and MD!!!!!!! your the only person to have this. Congrads!!!!!!
Thanks, Flex. I'm really happy about this. When I started bodybuilding I thought that it would be really cool if one day I could just get free protein powder! hahaha...
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do u get all of the species nutrition products for free, like the fat burners and everything else???
Also now do u pimp all of their clothing as well??? :)
And last but not least, your big time now man, a sticky on both getbig and MD!!!!!!! your the only person to have this. Congrads!!!!!!
Well, the Species sponsorship is a new thing (just happened very recently) and Dave is still coming out with other products. I've only tried Isolyze right now. As for clothing, I wore a Species shirt while training legs yesterday. Brand new black shirt and I got chalk all over the front of it (front squats). It looked great!
Hahha, yup, 2 stickies and free protein powder: I've made it to the big time! ahhahah. Seriously, though, when I first started, I used to watch "The Unbelieveable" before training. There's this one scene where Ronnie is blending his "Extreme Whey" shake. I was 17 at the time and my whey budget was 1 scoop post workout (before this it used to be tuna post workout!), so when I'd watch this scene, I remember thinking that Ronnie was so lucky cause he didn't have to pay for his protein powder and maybe, hopefully, one day I would be lucky enough to not have to buy protein powder...
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haha man, well hopefully one day we'll be in the same boat, and someone will be buying my protein for me as well.
Well, the Species sponsorship is a new thing (just happened very recently) and Dave is still coming out with other products. I've only tried Isolyze right now. As for clothing, I wore a Species shirt while training legs yesterday. Brand new black shirt and I got chalk all over the front of it (front squats). It looked great!
Hahha, yup, 2 stickies and free protein powder: I've made it to the big time! ahhahah. Seriously, though, when I first started, I used to watch "The Unbelieveable" before training. There's this one scene where Ronnie is blending his "Extreme Whey" shake. I was 17 at the time and my whey budget was 1 scoop post workout (before this it used to be tuna post workout!), so when I'd watch this scene, I remember thinking that Ronnie was so lucky cause he didn't have to pay for his protein powder and maybe, hopefully, one day I would be lucky enough to not have to buy protein powder...
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Hello jrod,
About meal/activity timing.....do you think we should eat exactly the same hours every day or it doen't matter as long as it ~2 hours each meal?
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Hello jrod,
About meal/activity timing.....do you think we should eat exactly the same hours every day or it doen't matter as long as it ~2 hours each meal?
I don't think it matters if you eat at exactly the same time/hours everyday.
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Hey jrod, I'm new to the boards, but I've seen your competition pics numerous times, and I am inspired by your condition. I am planning to compete for the first time next summer, so I was wondering how many tries (competitions, years of practice, etc.) did it take to finally figure your body out to obtain this level of conditioning for competition?
-Jake
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Hey jrod, I'm new to the boards, but I've seen your competition pics numerous times, and I am inspired by your condition. I am planning to compete for the first time next summer, so I was wondering how many tries (competitions, years of practice, etc.) did it take to finally figure your body out to obtain this level of conditioning for competition?
-Jake
I started training in the summer of 2001 and I started competing in the spring of 2005. I did two shows in 2005: the Chico Bodybuilding show (local show) and the NPC Contra Costa the following weekend. I dieted about 2.5 weeks for these. In 2006 I did the NPC Contra Costa and the Team Universe. Finally in 2007 I did the Team Universe again. I think that every single time I have competed I have come in with a better package (better conditioning). Therefore, it took me till my second time dieting (if you would even call what I did the first time around a "diet") to achieve my 2006 level of conditioning; and it took 3 tries (years of competing/times dieting) to achieve my 2007 TU level of conditioning.
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jaaaaaaaaay rod , what have u done over the years for abs/core bro? anything at all?
thanks
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jaaaaaaaaay rod , what have u done over the years for abs/core bro? anything at all?
thanks
I have always, and still, train abs as follows: once a week, about 5 sets, 6-8 reps, and I choose from weighted crunches, cable crunches, weighted reverse crunches (on an incline), and sometimes (if its a good one) an abs machine (weighted, of course).
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These are the days in order and the number of sets I do per exercise. I train 2 days on, 1 day off, and repeat in the order below.
BACK / BICEPS
3x Barbell Rows
2x Weighted Pull ups (parallel bar grips)
2x Hammer Strength close grip pull down
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2x Barbell Curls
2x Seated Hammer Curls
CHEST / TRICEPS
2x Bench Press
2x Incline BB bench press
2x Incline DB bench press
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2x Lying Triceps Extensions
2x Decline Close grip
TRAPS / ABS / FOREARMS / CALVES 2
3x Barbell Shrugs
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3x DB Crunches
2x Reverse Crunches
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3x BB Wrist Curls (off Bench)
2x DB Reverse Wrist Curls (off Bench)
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2x Seated Calf Raises
QUADS / HAMSTRINGS
2x Squats
2x Front Squats
2x Bulgarian Split Squats
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3x Glute Ham Raises
2x Seated Leg Curls
SHOULDERS / CALVES(1)
2x Barbell Shoulder Press
2x Dumbbell Shoulder Press
2x Side Laterals
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3x Standing Calf Raises
2x Single Legged Standing Calf Raises
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Hey jeff, I just wanted to thank you for helping me with my contest prep for my first show. Thanks to you i can honestly say i was one of the leaner guys at the show unforutnantly i didn't place where i wanted to. I want to say you really upped my standards for how lean a bodybuilder should be on stage and your diet was perfect for me but i learned that i should probably keep my calories higher and keep my carbs higher next year along with starting to eat properly earlier on instead of rushing it towards the end. You are a huge inspiration for me. Here is a picture from the show.
My question for you now is how high do you keep calories in the offseason. It has only been 2 weeks after the show and i binged myself up 24 pounds in 3 days and now i look terrible. I can feel the fat packing on already and ive already switched my food out from oreos and ice cream to whole grains and other healthier foods. It is kind of hard for me to stop eating so much but im trying to slowly make a phase shift to a reasonable diet. What is the highest bf% you get up too in the offseason? Any other helpful offseason information for growing is appreciated.
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Yeah tbh Leafy when i first saw your pics i thought that your conditioning reminded me of Jrod, once again great stuff 8).
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The_Leafy_Bug,
You are very welcome and thanks for the nice words.
In the off-season my calories on training days are at about 3,800 (if you haven't seen this, here's a link to my current diet: http://www.speciesnutrition.com/athletejrod2.html ).
As for your gaining weight in a few days, a lot of it could be water and carbs/glycogen getting back into your muscles. Don't worry too much about what you weight; it can fluctuate a lot for several different reasons. As for my BF%, I never measure, so I don't know, but I would say that I stay pretty lean (I have an off-season picture posted on here if you're curious). I use the mirror as my guide, especially when dieting; I NEVER use calipers or any BF measuring device.
As for helpful growing information, I would say that you should have somewhat of an off-season eating/diet plan; don't just guess everyday. It doesnt have to be as strict and perfect as when pre-contest, but a rough guide to follow will help. You can take a look at mine (since you liked my pre-contest diet) and use it as a start (maybe adjust accordingly) and take what you like from it.
Enjoy your off-season!
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I just want to give Jrod some mad props, for really taking the time time to answer all these questions thoroughly and with lots of details.
Now I have one question for you, why did you decide NOW, after competing before and doing quite well to start adding healthier fats to your diet? Especially when you stated before here that you don't take in any extra fats from almonds or oils, I mean what made you decide to make the change when you were doing so well without them before?
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I just want to give Jrod some mad props, for really taking the time time to answer all these questions thoroughly and with lots of details.
Now I have one question for you, why did you decide NOW, after competing before and doing quite well to start adding healthier fats to your diet? Especially when you stated before here that you don't take in any extra fats from almonds or oils, I mean what made you decide to make the change when you were doing so well without them before?
I have always added some healthy fats to my diet, actually. Last year I usually had 1 tablespoon of olive oil per day; and sometimes I'd have walnuts. This was during the off-season. However, aside from this litte bit, I used to not worry about getting enough fats in my diet as I simply asummed I would get enough (I dont think this was always the case).
Why have I decided NOW; well, I am always striving to make improvements to my diet. I have realized that one area of my diet I could improve is my intake of healthy fats. Every so often (either every year, or after a show), I come up with a rough guide/diet plan for my off-season. This year, among a few other small changes, I have decided to increase my intake of healthy fats. Now, if I find that this was a bad idea (I doubt this will happen), then I'll adjust accordingly. I think part of doing well is constantly striving for little improvements wherever one can; this is what I am trying to do.
Here is another thing I thought worked well, but I still changed: last year, what I did with my water intake was a bit different from this year. I tapered water one day earlier for last year's TU than I did for this year's TU. I think I was pretty dry last year; however, I still made the change this year, since I thought this might make me look better, and it turned out for the better.
My diet is NOT perfect, my precontest strategies are not 100% perfect. I am happy with them, but I'm sure I can improve them. Therefore, I'm always looking for that little bit I can improve upon.
Thanks for the props, Big Ach.
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Thanks for the response Jeff. I agree, its always good to do something different every new offseason and try to improve something about your diet and about your prep!
Good luck with it all!
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Hey jrod, I have really been doing some research on Max-OT, and I really think I'm going to give it a try. It seems like all the natural competitors that I look up to (in regards to their physique and condition) use Max-OT. I also know that you follow it as well.
My questions are related towards the diet that corresponds to Max-OT. Do you think it is necessary to use the recommended diet of Max-OT to get the full benefits, or can a different (but well structured) diet still be effective with this style of training?
Also, with the high amount of protein being consumed on a Max-OT diet, roughly how many grams do you eat per meal? I'm creating a diet plan for this, but wanted to verify protein figures to make sure I'm doing it correctly.
-Jake
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Hey jrod, I have really been doing some research on Max-OT, and I really think I'm going to give it a try. It seems like all the natural competitors that I look up to (in regards to their physique and condition) use Max-OT. I also know that you follow it as well.
My questions are related towards the diet that corresponds to Max-OT. Do you think it is necessary to use the recommended diet of Max-OT to get the full benefits, or can a different (but well structured) diet still be effective with this style of training?
Hi Jake,
I think that the best results from training Max-OT style (or any other style) will be seen when you use a diet that is best for YOU. I'm not exactly sure there is a diet that you're supposed to follow when training Max-OT (though there is one prescribed by the person/people who came up with max-ot). But, for the sake of explaining this, lets say there is, and we'll call it max-ot diet. Well, I think that if diet X is the best diet for you (whatever your goals are), then diet X + max-ot will be yield better results than max-ot diet + max-ot (this is not to say that max-ot diet is not good, however). I'd say that if you have a diet you believe in, get good results from, and want to continue following, then continue fullowing it.
Also, with the high amount of protein being consumed on a Max-OT diet, roughly how many grams do you eat per meal?
It depends on which meal, but most meals I eat about 50-60g protein per meal. Here is my current diet (how much I eat each meal):
http://www.speciesnutrition.com/athletejrod2.html
I'm creating a diet plan for this, but wanted to verify protein figures to make sure I'm doing it correctly.
-Jake
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Hi again JRod hope all is going well mate 8).
I'm entered in the MrGetBig comp here mate and I have never actually dieted before, was wondering if you could help me out with something. I am reading a lot of differant views on the prep for the final 5-7 days in regards to things like water intake etc.
Here is another thing I thought worked well, but I still changed: last year, what I did with my water intake was a bit different from this year. I tapered water one day earlier for last year's TU than I did for this year's TU. I think I was pretty dry last year; however, I still made the change this year, since I thought this might make me look better, and it turned out for the better.
Some people are saying slowly drop your water till the day and others are saying wait until the day before and then cut it out?! What do you think is the best way to go?! Keep in mind I don't think I'll be Carb loading as I am kind of just getting the hang of it and don't want to mess it all up as some people say can happen. I generally drink quite a bit of water and am really interested in your views on this and reasoning behind it.
I'm not going to be ripped or anything but I still want to try and look my best ;). No stress but any help would be great 8).
Cheers in advance :).
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Hi again JRod hope all is going well mate 8).
I'm entered in the MrGetBig comp here mate and I have never actually dieted before, was wondering if you could help me out with something. I am reading a lot of differant views on the prep for the final 5-7 days in regards to things like water intake etc.
Some people are saying slowly drop your water till the day and others are saying wait until the day before and then cut it out?! What do you think is the best way to go?! Keep in mind I don't think I'll be Carb loading as I am kind of just getting the hang of it and don't want to mess it all up as some people say can happen. I generally drink quite a bit of water and am really interested in your views on this and reasoning behind it.
I'm not going to be ripped or anything but I still want to try and look my best ;). No stress but any help would be great 8).
Cheers in advance :).
Hey Honour. Good for you that you've entered Mr. Get Big. It's good to have something to diet, prepare for; gives you motivation.
My take on water is as follows. I drink a lot (~3 gallons) for a couple of months (2+). Then a few days before the show (about 5 or 6 days) I drink a bit more (5 gallons). 1 day before the show, I go down to 1-1.5 gallons (NOT 0 or as little as possible). My reasoning is, I get my body used to getting rid of so much water that when I go down to 1 gallon it is not enough time for my body to readjust and it still tries to get rid of water like it is going to get a lot.
Keep in mind that the better condition you are in the better this will work (better yet, it will WORK the same, but you'll SEE more of a difference if you're in better condition). I'd suggest if you want to do this, since you seem pretty relaxed about the competition, that you take a safe, relaxed approach. Do something similar, just maybe not to the same extreme. If you don't want to measure your water intake, then dont. Just make sure you conciously start drinking lots of water, then one day before pictures, taper your water intake (guess about half or a bit less--do NOT go down to nothing). Then take your pictures the next morning.
Hope this helps, and good luck!
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Thanks so much for the advice Jrod. I'm not in as good shape as I would like to be but I still want to give it a go. I will try to go with a mix of what you suggested as I tend to drink about 3plus gallons a day atm which is high for me, so I'll try keep it at or above that, then the day before I'll cut it down to about 1 gallon or less and see how I go. I see the theroy now, and as I have heard you say before I guess it's going to be a bit of trial and error. Thanks again mate :).
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Hey jrod, I was wondering if you wear a belt while training. I rarely do, but put one on when doing heavy challenging lifts. Since I am going to start Max-OT, I figure each week will consist of these types of lifts. I like the idea of strengthening my back w/o a belt, but do not want to invite injury (I have hurt my lower back before). What's your opinion?
By the way, it's awesome how you help people out on here with lots of questions. It's always great to hear what others have to say, especially when they obviously know what they're doing.
- Jake
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Hey jrod, I was wondering if you wear a belt while training. I rarely do, but put one on when doing heavy challenging lifts. Since I am going to start Max-OT, I figure each week will consist of these types of lifts. I like the idea of strengthening my back w/o a belt, but do not want to invite injury (I have hurt my lower back before). What's your opinion?
By the way, it's awesome how you help people out on here with lots of questions. It's always great to hear what others have to say, especially when they obviously know what they're doing.
- Jake
I have never worn a belt in my life. My opinion, well, I wouldn't wear one, but if you feel you cannot squat without it, then wear it. On the other hand, if the question is, should one wear it and squat more, or not wear it but squat a bit less, I'd opt for less without a belt. Since you've had an injury before, it might be different for you. Listen to your body; if you will inevitably injure your back again squating without a belt, then of course you should wear one. But, if it is breaking good form that hurts your back, then you could squat without one (which would help strengthen your back) and just make sure you try to ALWAYS keep an arched back with erect posture and have good form. (by the way, this is assuming you aren't squating 600 lbs. If you are, then ???).
As for answering questions, I'm happy to do so. You're right about it being good to hear what others have to say. Also, it is nice not to have to reinvent the wheel, so if I can save someone a couple of weeks or months of figuring something out, I'm glad to help.
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Awesome dude, I really appreciate the advice. I've never been a fan of wearing a belt, but I have worn one on occasion (usually when going for a new PR on something like squats, bent over rows, deads). The time I hurt my back was simply carelessness and was new to lifting. I really didn't think I would need one, but we'll see how everything feels after a few weeks of training with Max-OT.
-Jake
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I recently came back after a week off and have changed up my training schedule/split. My current schedule/training split is posted here (this time with the number of sets and specific exercises listed):
http://www.speciesnutrition.com/athletejrod2.html
(scroll about halfway down)
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Here are some current pictures.
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FUUUUCK man! that back shot is awesome. :o Great work
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Arms look great as well Jrod, triceps hang really well :o
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you've stayed really lean this offseaon and DAMN your rear delts look awesome!
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Here are some current pictures.
I still cannot figure out how you stay that lean in the offseason. I swear it is like you are all water and salt in that the only thing that really changes is the size of the muscle. It looks like you really don't store much fat.
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Thanks for all the nice words, guys!
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I started a blog yesterday. I'm going to start posting how my training is going, what I did, weights I used, and some other random thoughts. If anyone wants to see it there's a link at
www.speciesnutrition.com
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jrod, you're the man. still amazed by how much you've accomplished so far in bb. i hope you're training is going well.
Thanks, SH! I hope things are going good for you as well.
Training was going well, but I recently got sick with food poisoning (I wrote about it in my blog). I think I'll be fine in a day or two, though. Training will go well again, once I get back into it.
Another interesting thing that happened earlier this week was that I shot another In the Trenches segment (also in my blog) for MD. We didn't do the voice-over right afterwards, as usual, so the video will not be up until that is taken care of.
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hey jrod i was up at davis this last weekend.. my friend is a second year and house with some buddies off of sycamore... im going back up there probably quite often just to chill and i was wondering where you train at?
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hey jrod i was up at davis this last weekend.. my friend is a second year and house with some buddies off of sycamore... im going back up there probably quite often just to chill and i was wondering where you train at?
Where you there for the NPC Sacramento? I wanted to go, but I got food poisoning.
I used to live on Sycamore (North Davis, about a block or so from The Market Place/Safeway).
I used to train at the ARC, which is the UC Davis school gym. But I moved to Oakland, so I train here now.
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what are u doin in OAKLAND?
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what are u doin in OAKLAND?
I live here. I'm originally from San Francisco (right next to Oakland). After graduating from UC Davis, I moved back to the Bay Area.
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no i wanted to go back into the city for the show on sat. night, but some people came over and we ended up doing a little bit of partying..
yeah his house is just a block down from the shopping center with the safeway or whatever it is.
i live just over a half hour away from oakland, and last year i lived off of 41st street near the bart station for about a month.
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no i wanted to go back into the city for the show on sat. night, but some people came over and we ended up doing a little bit of partying..
yeah his house is just a block down from the shopping center with the safeway or whatever it is.
i live just over a half hour away from oakland, and last year i lived off of 41st street near the bart station for about a month.
I live in the Dimond district, near Farmer Joe's, Safeway, Pete's Coffee, WaMu, etc. I like the area. I know a lot of people think Oakland isn't the nicest/safest city, I know flexingtonsteele HATES Oakland, but I've found there there are some really nice areas (where I live and around Lake Merrit). I like living in the Bay Area.
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I live in the Dimond district, near Farmer Joe's, Safeway, Pete's Coffee, WaMu, etc. I like the area. I know a lot of people think Oakland isn't the nicest/safest city, I know flexingtonsteele HATES Oakland, but I've found there there are some really nice areas (where I live and around Lake Merrit). I like living in the Bay Area.
Born and raised in that hell hole, and the best thing my parents ever did was move me out of there.
But i would still LOVE to take a drive down to the dimond district and get a workout in with you :)
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I live in the Dimond district, near Farmer Joe's, Safeway, Pete's Coffee, WaMu, etc. I like the area. I know a lot of people think Oakland isn't the nicest/safest city, I know flexingtonsteele HATES Oakland, but I've found there there are some really nice areas (where I live and around Lake Merrit). I like living in the Bay Area.
Ok another reason why I hate oakland. Check this out
Im a counselor at a juvenille prison. it houses the most violent offenders in the state ages 18-25.
The unit that I work at has 46 inmates. 6 are from oakland.........so about 1 out of every 7 :o
Now we have juvenilles from all over the state (its a big ass state), and one out of every seven on my unit are from oakland..........THATS REDICULOUS! Just more fuel to my hatred for oakland fire :)
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Ok another reason why I hate oakland. Check this out
Im a counselor at a juvenille prison. it houses the most violent offenders in the state ages 18-25.
The unit that I work at has 46 inmates. 6 are from oakland.........so about 1 out of every 7 :o
Now we have juvenilles from all over the state (its a big ass state), and one out of every seven on my unit are from oakland..........THATS REDICULOUS! Just more fuel to my hatred for oakland fire :)
have you ever heard of "thunder road" in oakland?
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have you ever heard of "thunder road" in oakland?
no where is that?
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41st and shaftner..
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41st and shaftner..
so whats there at thunder road?
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it is the rehab facility that i stayed at last year...you are in juvenile detention work and alot of kids that get sent their are court ordered group home kids from drug charges...
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it is the rehab facility that i stayed at last year...you are in juvenile detention work and alot of kids that get sent their are court ordered group home kids from drug charges...
Ohhhh, I work in a youth prison, so thats where they might have been before they come to me, or sometimes after they leave from me.
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Searched for: "'thunder road' oakland" on google and found this:
http://www.thunder-road.org/
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thats the place. definitely not as glorified as they make it on the web site though.
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Jrod,
went to your website ..freaken awsome.. great information as well.. so with the Christmas Holiday and New Years coming up, for those of us who will spen much of it eating and enjoying family and stuff, what do you recommend in getting back to the "work-out// training"
I had planned on taking 2 weeks out of the gym.. what is your recommendation as not to loose strength... sux being me, but..gotta get the time in with family..
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Natural on paper ;D
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Jrod,
went to your website ..freaken awsome.. great information as well.. so with the Christmas Holiday and New Years coming up, for those of us who will spen much of it eating and enjoying family and stuff, what do you recommend in getting back to the "work-out// training"
I had planned on taking 2 weeks out of the gym.. what is your recommendation as not to loose strength... sux being me, but..gotta get the time in with family..
Glad you found the site helpful (not mine, its the Species site; my sponsor). No problem with what your doing if thats what makes you happy. Not everyone has aspirations of competing or winning a show. If it makes you happy and its what you want to take 2 weeks off for holidays, I think that's great.
With that said, it's smart of you to try to minimize the negative effects, while still enjoying yourself. If I could suggest only one thing, I woul suggest keeping your protein intake high. Even if you do eat lots of delicious/cheat foods, make sure you keep your protein intake up.
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Natural on paper ;D
:o :o :o :o
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:o :o :o :o
oh brother.. don't you just love the armchair experts.. ::)
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Hi guys! Does anyone know the name of that guy with the super ripped tricep?
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got his name... Jeff Rodriguez
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::) It's cooool and it's great.
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. Jeff Rodriguez posing.
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:o :o :o :o
::)
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Here are some recent off-season pictures.
Side chest is from 1-19-08
Back double biceps is from today (2-03-08)
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Looks better than most who are using drugs. Good detail and size. Dont need drugs to be big...good work.
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Hey jrod,
I know that salt is important in your everyday nutrition but in small portions, so how much salt do you consume a day while dieting?
Do you cycle it? days on days off for example?
Help me out! :)
Thanks!
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Hey jrod,
I know that salt is important in your everyday nutrition but in small portions, so how much salt do you consume a day while dieting?
Do you cycle it? days on days off for example?
Help me out! :)
Thanks!
I don't pay very careful attention to salt when dieting, I just ballpark it (no attention at all off-season). When dieting, I make sure to start having more sodium than usual. At about 8 weeks out I start seasoning or salting most of my meals. By 4 weeks out, I make sure to season or salt all my meals. I keep this up until the day before my show. The day before and day of the show, I don't load on sodium anymore, I just have whatever is naturally occuring in the foods I eat.
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Bump for Jrod, how's the peeps at Species treating you? When's the next show?
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Their arms are double the size of my legs.
They must have 60Kg of discs on their back when they do push ups!
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Jrod,
How about an update on how you've been? How's training going? Any progress pics?
Hope all is going well with ya man.
I've been updating my blog with training info, my weekly diet, and progress pictures: www.jrod123.blogspot.com
Things are going well. Working full-time and getting ready for the Team Universe. 11 more weeks to go!
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Bump for Jrod, how's the peeps at Species treating you? When's the next show?
Species has been treating me really well. I lived off Isolyze in the off-season and now that I'm getting ready for the Team Universe (SEP 5th and 6th), Its a big part of my diet.
Edit: TU is on September 5th and 6th.
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Species has been treating me really well. I lived off Isolyze in the off-season and now that I'm getting ready for the Team Universe (May 5th and 6th), Its a big part of my diet.
Species make some fantastic supps.. I've been taking the Lipolyze and Somalyze with remarkable results.
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Updated my blog with progress pictures, 10 weeks out diet, and my first cardio session: www.jrod123.blogspot.com
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Updated my blog with progress pictures, 10 weeks out diet, and my first cardio session: www.jrod123.blogspot.com
looking like a champ. Good luck with your TU prep. Get on that team!
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JRod, i hope your dieting is going well?
Are you still doing Max-OT training? If so, do you feel that it is the best type of training for a natural bber?
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JRod, i hope your dieting is going well?
Are you still doing Max-OT training? If so, do you feel that it is the best type of training for a natural bber?
Thanks, Pete.
Yes, I still train like Max-OT. I think Max OT, or training with the same principles, is a good way to train. Is it for everyone, I can't say (somethings work for some people, and other things work for other people). I will say this, though, if someone told me they'd give me a million dollars if I could put together a training program for them to look like a bodybuilder, I would put together a program that was like Max OT.
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A couple of Team Universe contestants I found on Graphic Muscle. Discuss...
That's awesome. looks a bit weird, but cool at same time though.
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wow.......that dude is shredded, and I'm stuck at 11% bodyfat, wtf, get lost fat, you are not welcome here LOL, anyone have any fat destroying solutions for a 240 pound natural bodybuilder? ;D ;D ;D by the way I just joined get big so welcome me ;D ;D ;D
Welcome to Getbig.
Honestly, it comes down to hard work over a long period of time. Unfortunately, there really aren't any magic shortcuts/solutions or anything special to be done. In fact, you probably already know 90% of what you need to know. It is simply a matter of hard dieting (without taking shortcuts) until you are lean (for some this might be short, for others longer). If you aren't lean enough after a few weeks of dieting, then diet harder for longer.
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wow.......that dude is shredded, and I'm stuck at 11% bodyfat, wtf, get lost fat, you are not welcome here LOL, anyone have any fat destroying solutions for a 240 pound natural bodybuilder? ;D ;D ;D by the way I just joined get big so welcome me ;D ;D ;D
Yes, sure you are 11% bf at 240. ::) ::)
What are you, 7' tall?
Say hi to your supermodel gf from us and keep your million dollar company running, Scott. ::)
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hahahaha I don't care if you don't believe me, look at my pictures, geez you guys don't believe anything, I don't have a million dollar company ::) but I do have a supermodel girlfriend
Who is she, Alessandra Ambrosio or Adriana Lima?
If you have pics, post them. I do not doubt you are 11% at 240, but then maybe you are clean, but not natural.
"I did only 5 cycles of steroids 3 years ago, now i'm natural"-natural maybe.
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wow, buddy, how the hell did you guess her first name? ??? like honestly, i'm amazed
I have pics, but I don't think she would like me posting her pictures on here lol where guys masturbate to other guys pictures
yeah, there goes another person accusing me of using steroids, I have NEVER EVER taken anykind of steroids or hormones, and I just started working out 7 months ago, to me a NATURAL is a person who has NEVER touched steroids not these assclowns who say they are natural but have a past history of using steroids, like some of the people on here
i meant YOUR pics.
If you are natural, you aren't 11% at 240. Prove me wrong.
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jrod,
update us with some pics and let us know if u are doing the team universe this year!!
Jrod has fled to MD.
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jrod,
update us with some pics and let us know if u are doing the team universe this year!!
Haven't posted here in a while cause I didnt think it got much traffic. I'll post my updates here as well.
Updated my blog. I started my prep for the 2009 Team Universe! Diet and pictures: http://jrod123.blogspot.com/
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Haven't posted here in a while cause I didnt think it got much traffic. I'll post my updates here as well.
Updated my blog. I started my prep for the 2009 Team Universe! Diet and pictures: http://jrod123.blogspot.com/
Well, maybe you'd get some traffic if you posted here, no?
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Well, maybe you'd get some traffic if you posted here, no?
I don't have a problem with posting or not posting/traffic or no traffic. If someone has a question or comment, I'll post back. I just stopped checking here very often because I thought the thread died. (In fact, yours was the last for a while).
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I don't have a problem with posting or not posting/traffic or no traffic. If someone has a question or comment, I'll post back. I just stopped checking here very often because I thought the thread died. (In fact, yours was the last for a while).
Haven't posted here in a while cause I didnt think it got much traffic. I'll post my updates here as well.
Updated my blog. I started my prep for the 2009 Team Universe! Diet and pictures: http://jrod123.blogspot.com/
??? ??? ???
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Haven't posted here in a while cause I didnt think it got much traffic. I'll post my updates here as well.
Updated my blog. I started my prep for the 2009 Team Universe! Diet and pictures: http://jrod123.blogspot.com/
Looking good,bro
Good luck!
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JRod, you look great at the start of your dieting let alone comp time! LOL. Is there any reason you eat so much Tuna compared to say Chicken Breasts instead? Taste or calories etc?
Plus i'm looking to compete for the first time later this year and have never dieting down that hard, would you recommend i follow a similiar diet to yours or just go something differant? Its hard to know what works well for me yet as this is my first time? Thanks for any info, very much appreciated! ;D
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JRod, you look great at the start of your dieting let alone comp time! LOL. Is there any reason you eat so much Tuna compared to say Chicken Breasts instead? Taste or calories etc?
Plus i'm looking to compete for the first time later this year and have never dieting down that hard, would you recommend i follow a similiar diet to yours or just go something differant? Its hard to know what works well for me yet as this is my first time? Thanks for any info, very much appreciated! ;D
Are you a retard?
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??? ??? ???
I can see how that might confuse you, but Its not that big of a deal, so lets just forget about it.
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Looking good,bro
Good luck!
Thanks!
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JRod, you look great at the start of your dieting let alone comp time! LOL. Is there any reason you eat so much Tuna compared to say Chicken Breasts instead? Taste or calories etc?
Plus i'm looking to compete for the first time later this year and have never dieting down that hard, would you recommend i follow a similiar diet to yours or just go something differant? Its hard to know what works well for me yet as this is my first time? Thanks for any info, very much appreciated! ;D
I chose tuna because it saves me from having to cook, its easy to measure, its convenient, and its cheap. I've used chicken before, I just wanted to make things a bit easier right now, so tuna it is.
Should you follow my diet or something else....tough to say. You should do the one which is better for you; and it might take trial and error to find out which is better for you (or you could just guess and see how you like whichever you choose). Dieting down for the first time is the hardest because you have nothing to go off. Just be reasonable with whatever you choose--you don't have to get into amazing condition the first try. Just use the first try as a learning experience. Plan out and keep track of what you do so that next time you have a better idea of what you liked/didnt like.
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I can see how that might confuse you, but Its not that big of a deal, so lets just forget about it.
haahah ,cool answer.
You're a good guy, jrod!
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I chose tuna because it saves me from having to cook, its easy to measure, its convenient, and its cheap. I've used chicken before, I just wanted to make things a bit easier right now, so tuna it is.
Should you follow my diet or something else....tough to say. You should do the one which is better for you; and it might take trial and error to find out which is better for you (or you could just guess and see how you like whichever you choose). Dieting down for the first time is the hardest because you have nothing to go off. Just be reasonable with whatever you choose--you don't have to get into amazing condition the first try. Just use the first try as a learning experience. Plan out and keep track of what you do so that next time you have a better idea of what you liked/didnt like.
Do you believe that the Wavelength Diet Principles don't work?
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haahah ,cool answer.
You're a good guy, jrod!
Thanks! ;D
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Do you believe that the Wavelength Diet Principles don't work?
I have no idea of what you're talking about.
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I have no idea of what you're talking about.
wl basically says he eats this: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270349.0 and doesn't make cardio but he is ripped and lean naturally
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wl basically says he eats this: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270349.0 and doesn't make cardio but he is ripped and lean naturally
Oh nice, good for him.
So my response to above/do I believe in it:
I'm sure there is some way it can be twisted to work (if all you care about is staying lean). But, if you're trying to get the best out of yourself/physique, I don't think that is the OPTIMAL way to do it. There are usually several ways to do things, but not all of there are going to be the BEST way to do it.
It all depends on what you want, I think. If eating stuff like that is really, really important to you, then maybe you should fit it into your diet, but do it in such a way that you are still happy with how you look. If eating food like that is not as important, and optimal results are what you're after, then I wouldn't eat like that very often.
In fact, I would not do that simply cause I would feel nasty eating like that all the time. I can only handle eating like that for a short amount of time. If I eat like that after a show, I start to feel disgusting after a day or two and look forward to eating my regular way. I physically feel better when I eat well.
But in the end, if THAT is what makes you happy, then do it (or find the right balance that makes you happy).
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Did you ever pick up a sponsorship J? You going to make a living in bodybuilding or do something with your degree?
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Did you ever pick up a sponsorship J? You going to make a living in bodybuilding or do something with your degree?
I'm sponsored by Species Nutrition. As for making a living off bodybuilding, I doubt that is ever going to happen, nor is it something I have even really considered. I love bodybuilding, its a great hobby, but I don't think I'll ever make a living off it--much more likely my degree.
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We like to hack on Palumbo but cool of him to give out some sponsorships.
If you get a chance, show up crazy Debussey with some Fibonacci skills on the G&O.
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Like Donkey and tapeworm are saying. You should shoot the shit with us all on the gossip boards from time to time. Anwyays, quick question for you.
You say you have vegetables with aproximately 3 meals or so when dieting. What kind specifically? I know you have broccoli but are there any others? And what are their benefits?
I noticed when I dieted down in 08 that my immune system wasn't as strong as offseason cause I was depriving myself of alot of vitamins I would usually get naturally. Even though I was taking a multivitamin it just didn't seem the same.
Second part. How much sodium do you consume at each meal? and when do you cut it?
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We like to hack on Palumbo but cool of him to give out some sponsorships.
If you get a chance, show up crazy Debussey with some Fibonacci skills on the G&O.
Yeah, that was very cool of him. He's a really nice guy in real life.
As for the Fibonacci thing, I really don't like that stuff. I can do math, but I get bored of that shit. Its like being able to program, but not being a computer nerd. You could probably find everything you need on Wikipedia and sound like a genius even though you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Like Donkey and tapeworm are saying. You should shoot the shit with us all on the gossip boards from time to time. Anwyays, quick question for you.
You say you have vegetables with aproximately 3 meals or so when dieting. What kind specifically? I know you have broccoli but are there any others? And what are their benefits?
I noticed when I dieted down in 08 that my immune system wasn't as strong as offseason cause I was depriving myself of alot of vitamins I would usually get naturally. Even though I was taking a multivitamin it just didn't seem the same.
Second part. How much sodium do you consume at each meal? and when do you cut it?
Actually, I always read that board; I just rarely post there. Some reasons I don't post there are because I just like to let people be, even though they say things I don't believe in or agree with (its all for entertainment anyways, after all). Also, sometimes Im just too lazy/not motivated to respond to some of the stuff on there--I sometimes just don't care about convincing someone when I don't even know or care about them, so I just let it be. With that said, sure I'll post a bit more on there.
As for vegetables, I prefer broccoli, but sometimes I use the frozen stir fry mix, sugar snap peas, asparagus. As for benefits, I like eating vegetables during meals when I get little carbs (eg a 10g of carbs meal) because you get to eat more volume; so it seems like you're eating more food than if you were to eat 10g of carbs from rice. Furthermore, 10g carbs from veggies is not the same as 10g carbs from rice--it takes your body more energy to break down the vegetables (in short, easier to get lean from vegetables). As for vitamins from vegetables, that is not why I eat them--I think I get plenty of vitamins from pills--though it doesnt hurt.
I don't measure sodium. I just salt/season my meals when I want to keep sodium high and stop salting/seasoning when I want to cut down (I never completely cut out sodium).
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Are you a retard?
Are you dip shit? I'm quite sure my post wasn't directed at you... Or.... Oh, i'm sorry you must have some kind of reading disorder. I would hate to think your one of those guys who think they are so above everyone else, all they know to do is try to be-little others who are happily learning along their BB comp journey. Nah, you would'nt be like that hey.... Must be right with my first guess...
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I chose tuna because it saves me from having to cook, its easy to measure, its convenient, and its cheap. I've used chicken before, I just wanted to make things a bit easier right now, so tuna it is.
Should you follow my diet or something else....tough to say. You should do the one which is better for you; and it might take trial and error to find out which is better for you (or you could just guess and see how you like whichever you choose). Dieting down for the first time is the hardest because you have nothing to go off. Just be reasonable with whatever you choose--you don't have to get into amazing condition the first try. Just use the first try as a learning experience. Plan out and keep track of what you do so that next time you have a better idea of what you liked/didnt like.
Thanks jrod. Appreciate your input mate. I may end up seeing a trainer/nutritionist who competes at my gym for some help on the cutting diet for the first comp. Also do what you suggested, record everything so i can do it myself next time.
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Thanks jrod. Appreciate your input mate. I may end up seeing a trainer/nutritionist who competes at my gym for some help on the cutting diet for the first comp. Also do what you suggested, record everything so i can do it myself next time.
No problem.
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
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No problem.
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
U LOOK GREAT,good represenative to bbing and staying true to what u believe in.if u and theres a good chance were able to turn pro ,would u compete at 202 class as a ifbb pro?
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U LOOK GREAT,good represenative to bbing and staying true to what u believe in.if u and theres a good chance were able to turn pro ,would u compete at 202 class as a ifbb pro?
Thanks!
IF I won a pro card this year, I'm not sure I would take it; there's a good chance I would just keep competing as an amateur since I'm still pretty young.
However, lets say for the sake of answering your question, I DID win and take my pro car. I don't think I would be very competitive at the 202 class as I stand right now. I'm 5'9" and those guys are in the range of 5'5"-5'6". They are simply going to be A LOT thicker than me. Maybe I would do it for fun, I mean afterall, if I did eventually turn pro, it would be pretty cool to at least do one pro show; but, I wouldn't have any expectations to place well.
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JROD,
Do you stop using creatine before contests ? I always feel that creatine covers my midsection with a layer of subcutaneous water?
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JROD,
Do you stop using creatine before contests ? I always feel that creatine covers my midsection with a layer of subcutaneous water?
No, actually, I take creatine all the way up the show (I've even taken it on the day of the show). I don't think it makes me hold water in a way that blurs/covers up conditioning.
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No, actually, I take creatine all the way up the show (I've even taken it on the day of the show). I don't think it makes me hold water in a way that blurs/covers up conditioning.
i agree, creatine bloats is an excuse for people that are still holding fat. ;D
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i agree, creatine bloats is an excuse for people that are still holding fat. ;D
;D
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I updated my blog with my 16 week out diet from last week and 15 weeks out diet which I start tomorrow. http://jrod123.blogspot.com/
Here are my 15 weeks out progress pictures which were taken this morning, June 4th.
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On Point!!
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NICE JOB,NICE BUILD MAN,THATS ALL EFFORT 100 PCT ON EATING TRAINING NO BREAKS ,THATS A REAL BBING LIFESTYLE,NO BLOATED OFFSEASON,EAT WHAT U WILL,TRAIN WHENEVER,JUST NOSE TO THE GRIND DAY IN AND OUT,PROPS BRO.
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Thanks!
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Some pictures taken last night, 10 weeks out of the Team Universe:
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Now that's shredded for 10 weeks out!!!! :o Nice one Jeff! looking ahead of schedule as always.
Keep chasing all the way!
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looking great jrod. legs look a little small compared to your upper body though would be my main criticism. calves in particular. unreal conditioning for 10 weeks out.
how much do you weigh right now? good luck with the rest of your prep. looking huge and ripped as usual.
Thanks!
I don't weigh myself very often once I start dieting and last time I did, I dont think it was indicative of much (at least when trying to guess what my "contest/weigh in" weight will be) cause I had on clothing (including sweatshirt and shoes), wasn't restricting water, was about to train, etc.... I probably weigh around 195-200 in these "non-indicative" conditions.
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Now that's shredded for 10 weeks out!!!! :o Nice one Jeff! looking ahead of schedule as always.
Keep chasing all the way!
Thanks!
Now that's shredded for 0 weeks out!!!
I'll keep chasing...
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Here are some progress pictures. 5 weeks out, taken today: 8-15-09
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Feck me dead! :o Amazing Jrod
Batten down the hatches..I forsee another Jrod thread on the main board!
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Here are some progress pictures. 5 weeks out, taken today: 8-15-09
ridiculous!! :o :o :o
What are your stats, jrod?? :o :o
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Feck me dead! :o Amazing Jrod
Batten down the hatches..I forsee another Jrod thread on the main board!
Haha I was thinking the same thing. Here we go again.
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ridiculous!! :o :o :o
What are your stats, jrod?? :o :o
Last time I weighed myself was more than a month ago and I weighed 200 lbs. Since then I've stopped weighing myself, so who knows. Best I can say is I surely don't weigh more today than I did a month ago, so I'm either 200 lbs. or less (most likely, of course, less). I don't weight myself anymore because I don't want it to have any effect on how I perceive myself and how I diet; I just use the mirror as my guide.
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Feck me dead! :o Amazing Jrod
Batten down the hatches..I forsee another Jrod thread on the main board!
Haha I was thinking the same thing. Here we go again.
Hahaha, you guys called it!
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Hi Jrod!
I see that you are eating a good amount of fat this year, like 50grams a day. Last year however your fat intake was minimal at 10gms a day. How come you've made this change in your diet?
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Hi Jrod!
I see that you are eating a good amount of fat this year, like 50grams a day. Last year however your fat intake was minimal at 10gms a day. How come you've made this change in your diet?
Because I'm always looking to improve my diet somehow and have learned that this is one area which was more important than I thought and have neglected in the past...simply part of the learning process and becoming a better bodybuilder. So this year, I wanted to try eating a bit more fat and seeing how that works--so far so good.
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Last time I weighed myself was more than a month ago and I weighed 200 lbs. Since then I've stopped weighing myself, so who knows. Best I can say is I surely don't weigh more today than I did a month ago, so I'm either 200 lbs. or less (most likely, of course, less). I don't weight myself anymore because I don't want it to have any effect on how I perceive myself and how I diet; I just use the mirror as my guide.
how tall are you?
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how tall are you?
5'9"
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Because I'm always looking to improve my diet somehow and have learned that this is one area which was more important than I thought and have neglected in the past...simply part of the learning process and becoming a better bodybuilder. So this year, I wanted to try eating a bit more fat and seeing how that works--so far so good.
What changes have you noticed from this?
As far as improving, it's not like you had a problem getting ripped before. Don't fix what ain't broke etc...i'm just curious about the change.
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Yo Jeff.. When was the last time you had a beer? or had something not on the "Bodybuilding" menu? That's really gotta hurt the social life.. where you meeting the ladies?
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What changes have you noticed from this?
As far as improving, it's not like you had a problem getting ripped before. Don't fix what ain't broke etc...i'm just curious about the change.
To be honest with you, its hard to say what changes are ONLY from that. I've noticed this year I'm stronger and am able to get through my workouts with less suffering (being that I'm 4 weeks out now), but that one change is not the only thing I've done slightly diffrently. I have also been doing more cardio and eating more (calories), getting a bit less sleep than usual, training with my girlfriend, etc. So it might be more than JUST that factor.
As for the "don't fix what ain't broke" comment, well part of the fun is in improving (even on the aspects I'm good at). Also, I started so far out this year (20 weeks) that if this wasn't working, I could have just gone back to what I was doing before and still had time.
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Yo Jeff.. When was the last time you had a beer? or had something not on the "Bodybuilding" menu? That's really gotta hurt the social life.. where you meeting the ladies?
I don't drink alcohol--more of a personal choise. As for non-bodybuilding food, last time was probably right before I started my diet. And different as it may sound, I really love the way I eat in the offseason. I actually enjoy foods that are good for bodybuilding As for meeting ladies, I'm very, very lucky in that my girlfriend is really all I could ask for in a partner--I'm very much in love with her.
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Yeah i know you won't have a problem getting ready as you were already ripped 20 weeks out :o
Everyone always say you should have some healthy fat in the diet, but i don't understand the "need" for it. You were doing well without it. Anyway, Good luck with the show!
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Yeah i know you won't have a problem getting ready as you were already ripped 20 weeks out :o
Everyone always say you should have some healthy fat in the diet, but i don't understand the "need" for it. You were doing well without it. Anyway, Good luck with the show!
I think its good to strive for improvement, thats all.
Thanks!
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5'9"
5'9" 200lbs single digit bf natural?
why don't you go pro?
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5'9" 200lbs single digit bf natural?
why don't you go pro?
I doubt I'm 200 lbs. like I said, that was at about 10 weeks out; now I'm probably less. Regardless, I'm doing my best to win at TU this year, which would mean turning pro.
Then again, if I did turn pro, I doubt I'd really be competitive--it would just be for fun. Its ok, though, cause bodybuilding is my passion, my hobby. I appreciate what it gives me (something to strive for and look forward to) and do not see it as something I need to make money off/live off/etc. I'm getting what I want out of it as it is, so I'm pretty happy.
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I've been training with my girlfriend for the last several weeks and its been great. Here's a (shitty cell phone) picture she took at the gym today, 4 weeks out!
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man she's ripped too :o
wtf is the secret >:( ;D
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man she's ripped too :o
wtf is the secret >:( ;D
yes, i'm wondering about that too.
:o :o :o
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man she's ripped too :o
wtf is the secret >:( ;D
Hahaha.
She takes Trader Darwin's High Potency Chewable Multiple Vitamin & Mineral Formula.
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EXCELLENT JOB MAXIMIZING ONES GENETICS FOR SIZE,SHAPE AND ABOVE ALL CONDITIONING.
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EXCELLENT JOB MAXIMIZING ONES GENETICS FOR SIZE,SHAPE AND ABOVE ALL CONDITIONING.
Thanks!
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how about some progress pics jrod? would like to see how the prep for the show is going.
Yeah, I should take some soon. Even better than pics, though, I've been working on a video for RxMuscle and it should be done by tomorrow so it could be up on the site in just over a week. I'll post up any new pictures I take here.
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thanks. i hope you win it this year man.
Thank you, I appreciate that.
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I've caught up on my blog and updated until 3 weeks out diet: www.jrod123.blogspot.com
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you sure eat alot of protein! 400gms a day :o i think 300 is high
Do you count your vegetables toward your daily carb/calorie intake? and how can you eat ricecakes :-X
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you sure eat alot of protein! 400gms a day :o i think 300 is high
Do you count your vegetables toward your daily carb/calorie intake? and how can you eat ricecakes :-X
Yes, I do eat a lot of protein.
Yes I count vegetables as carbs.
I like rice cakes.
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why? aren't veggies "free" ?
so if i eat, let's say 200g carbs from starch and then add green veggies on top of that. Am i "ruining" my diet then ?
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why? aren't veggies "free" ?
so if i eat, let's say 200g carbs from starch and then add green veggies on top of that. Am i "ruining" my diet then ?
Because they have carbs. They could be free to you, in your diet; but for me, in my pre-contest diet, since I'm paying attention to exactly how much I eat and gradually reducing, its important to count everything.
If you eat 200g of carbs from starch and add veggies, then you're eating 200g carbs + the number of carbs from the veggies. If you're dieting and not supposed to eat this extra amount, you may not be "RUINING" your diet as much as if you ate a giant cheesecake, but you're consuming more calories than you are supposed to (based on your set diet). However, if its the offseason, then it probably would not make any difference at all.
Everything has to be considered in perspective. If you're just the average gym goer and want to eat some extra veggies; go for it. BUT, if you're 2 weeks out and trying to get lean as possible, you should probably count those calories.
Another way to think about it: if you're a billionaire and lose $1,000; its probably not going to affect you much (you wont even notice).
But, if you're a homeless guy and lose $50 out of your change cup, then you're probably not going to get to eat that night (it will affect you a lot).
Make sense?
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Because they have carbs. They could be free to you, in your diet; but for me, in my pre-contest diet, since I'm paying attention to exactly how much I eat and gradually reducing, its important to count everything.
If you eat 200g of carbs from starch and add veggies, then you're eating 200g carbs + the number of carbs from the veggies. If you're dieting and not supposed to eat this extra amount, you may not be "RUINING" your diet as much as if you ate a giant cheesecake, but you're consuming more calories than you are supposed to (based on your set diet). However, if its the offseason, then it probably would not make any difference at all.
Everything has to be considered in perspective. If you're just the average gym goer and want to eat some extra veggies; go for it. BUT, if you're 2 weeks out and trying to get lean as possible, you should probably count those calories.
Another way to think about it: if you're a billionaire and lose $1,000; its probably not going to affect you much (you wont even notice).
But, if you're a homeless guy and lose $50 out of your change cup, then you're probably not going to get to eat that night (it will affect you a lot).
Make sense?
Thanks for the explanation! it's very good, i understand completely what you mean. I have always eaten a huge plate FULL of green veggies when i diet to help the hunger, i just thought it was a good thing, the more the better...
Since you are so strict i guess no-sugar-added ketchup is out of the question too?
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Thanks for the explanation! it's very good, i understand completely what you mean. I have always eaten a huge plate FULL of green veggies when i diet to help the hunger, i just thought it was a good thing, the more the better...
Since you are so strict i guess no-sugar-added ketchup is out of the question too?
Haha, if I wanted to add the ketchup, and it had calories, then I would simply count those calories. Or, I could just go with mustard. It really depends on how strict you want to get and how strict you think is really necessary. If you can get in amazing condition doing it a different, easier way, then just do that. The goal is to be in good shape; it's nice to find the most efficient way to get there. For me, I count carbs from vegetables, it might be different for you (you'll have to learn this on your own). In the end, you'll have to learn what works for you and just cause I do something a certain way, doesn't mean it will be the best for you (its just another way you might want to consider).
On a side note, mustard has no calories!
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Haha, if I wanted to add the ketchup, and it had calories, then I would simply count those calories. Or, I could just go with mustard. It really depends on how strict you want to get and how strict you think is really necessary. If you can get in amazing condition doing it a different, easier way, then just do that. The goal is to be in good shape; it's nice to find the most efficient way to get there. For me, I count carbs from vegetables, it might be different for you (you'll have to learn this on your own). In the end, you'll have to learn what works for you and just cause I do something a certain way, doesn't mean it will be the best for you (its just another way you might want to consider).
On a side note, mustard has no calories!
Aha i see, never been a big mustard eater. I didn't know it was 0 cals, might have to start using it then :D
I once went several weeks, i think 4 or 5 without ketchup on my rice and at the last week i couldn't even get it down, close to throwing up from it :-X
no-sugar added ketchup is my secret weapon ;D makes everything taste good
I've gotten down to approximately 7% skinfold bodyfat when i have dieted, but always failed to get lower. I hope i can reach 4-5 next time so i can be ripped like you 8)
btw when you bulked recently you barely added any bodyfat, how small was your caloric surplus to achieve that?
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Aha i see, never been a big mustard eater. I didn't know it was 0 cals, might have to start using it then :D
I once went several weeks, i think 4 or 5 without ketchup on my rice and at the last week i couldn't even get it down, close to throwing up from it :-X
no-sugar added ketchup is my secret weapon ;D makes everything taste good
I've gotten down to approximately 7% skinfold bodyfat when i have dieted, but always failed to get lower. I hope i can reach 4-5 next time so i can be ripped like you 8)
btw when you bulked recently you barely added any bodyfat, how small was your caloric surplus to achieve that?
I have no idea what the exact amount of calories I need is to have no deficit or surplus, so I can't tell you what this difference is (the amount over maintenance = surplus). In the offseason I eat on average 3800 calories (anywhere form 3400-4000).
If you want to stay lean, but still put on muscle, in the offseason, just try to eat enough, but not too much. If you're not growing, eat a bit more. If your bodyfat is getting too high, eat a bit less. Eventually you'll learn your body well enough that you'll know what range of calories/what amount you should eat.
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quick 1 day out update: http://jrod123.blogspot.com/
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Living the life
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/SrMEyesovVI/AAAAAAAAAco/9CwCwLRpHk4/s400/1+day+out.JPG)
good luck broham.
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Living the life
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/SrMEyesovVI/AAAAAAAAAco/9CwCwLRpHk4/s400/1+day+out.JPG)
good luck broham.
He he, looking good there...
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Offseason photo, taken Feb 6th, 2010
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Hahaha.
She takes Trader Darwin's High Potency Chewable Multiple Vitamin & Mineral Formula.
is that a joke?
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is that a joke?
Yes, it was a joke, but at the time, she was taking those. Now she takes up & up (target) "children's gummy multivitamin dietary supplement"
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I'm a new member, whilst I was waiting for my new members login link to arrive I read this entire thread and I want to thank JRod. The help and advice that he has given has been so interesting to read. I have bought many books and payed for website 'secret tips inside tips' (lol) etc over the years but none of them have been as useful as the info JRod had been kind enough to share on here! I noticed he doesnt even complain about answering the same questions over and over a few times..lol.. I hope my question below hasnt already been asked.
I'm really amazed at how you dont just give the simple answer but you go into great detail with your response to some really tricky questions.
One question I have.. I need to increase my protein intake. I have a good few solid meats but would prefer to include a few extra whey/oat shakes in there as it wouldnt be easy for me as it would be far more convenient. The only problem is cost! I live in the UK and to buy 1 (2kg) tub of whey is around £30. I am wondering how many tubs of whey you get through every month? I usually get through around 1 and a half tubs. Which is around £45 a month. Would I be right that is you consume around 300g of protein from whey alone per day you must get through around £300 a month of whey alone? (sorry I couldnt remember how much whey you consume per day so this was just a lucky guess from my poor memory! as I couldnt find the page you said about the amount of whey you use per day).
My ques is... (before you got a sponsor) whats the most affordable way to consume this much whey of around 300g a day? It sounds a lot of money.. over a year it would be like eating the £value of a decent car lol.
Last question... what time of day would you take your last whey/oat drink? is this not a good idea too late in the day?
Thank u.
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Offseason photo, taken Feb 6th, 2010
Thats some back!! awesome 8)
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Mr. jrod,
I have a question for you. Sorry if this has already been asked earlier in the thread. Are you familure with the wavelength method (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121992001)?
What are your opinions on this diet?
Thank you,
Eyeball
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LOL, you're a real pimp!
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LOL, you're a real pimp!
I know I am, thank you. ;D
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OK, Fuck you jrod you lean mother fucker.
Ignore me all you want
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I'm a new member, whilst I was waiting for my new members login link to arrive I read this entire thread and I want to thank JRod. The help and advice that he has given has been so interesting to read. I have bought many books and payed for website 'secret tips inside tips' (lol) etc over the years but none of them have been as useful as the info JRod had been kind enough to share on here! I noticed he doesnt even complain about answering the same questions over and over a few times..lol.. I hope my question below hasnt already been asked.
I'm really amazed at how you dont just give the simple answer but you go into great detail with your response to some really tricky questions.
One question I have.. I need to increase my protein intake. I have a good few solid meats but would prefer to include a few extra whey/oat shakes in there as it wouldnt be easy for me as it would be far more convenient. The only problem is cost! I live in the UK and to buy 1 (2kg) tub of whey is around £30. I am wondering how many tubs of whey you get through every month? I usually get through around 1 and a half tubs. Which is around £45 a month. Would I be right that is you consume around 300g of protein from whey alone per day you must get through around £300 a month of whey alone? (sorry I couldnt remember how much whey you consume per day so this was just a lucky guess from my poor memory! as I couldnt find the page you said about the amount of whey you use per day).
My ques is... (before you got a sponsor) whats the most affordable way to consume this much whey of around 300g a day? It sounds a lot of money.. over a year it would be like eating the £value of a decent car lol.
Last question... what time of day would you take your last whey/oat drink? is this not a good idea too late in the day?
Thank u.
As for affordable whey, I would do research online and try to find a whey that has a good ratio of scoop size to amount of protein (the higher the better). Divide the #grams of protein by the scoop size in grams.
For example, isolyze would look like this: http://speciesnutrition.com/images/Isolyze%20Facts.jpg
27grams of protein / 29 gram scoop = 0.93 or 93%protein per scoop.
For what you are asking for you'll probably find something in the 80's, percentage wise.
bodybuilding.com might be an easy site for you to search through.
One thing to think about is that, gram for gram, whey protein is actually pretty cheap compared to chicken, beef, fish, and other sources.
The amount of tubs i go through varies, depending on how many shakes VS solid food meals i have, but i would say 3-4 (4 pound tubs) would be a rough estimate.
As for time of day for my last shake, it doesn't matter. I usually eat my last meal anywhere from right before to an hour or so before bedtime. Usually this last meal will be a shake, but once in a while it will be a solid meal.
Thanks very much for the nice words!
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OK, Fuck you jrod you lean mother fucker.
Ignore me all you want
Haha... Ok, ok I'm here now.
I had no idea what it was, but I clicked on the link and took a quick glance. I think this part will work for sure "Eat 500-1000 cals less than your maintenance every day" although it might be a bit much to just jump into it. In the end, if you like it and it works for you then great. Who knows, I haven't tried it so I can't say for sure; maybe I'll try it for my next show ;D.
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Haha... Ok, ok I'm here now.
I had no idea what it was, but I clicked on the link and took a quick glance. I think this part will work for sure "Eat 500-1000 cals less than your maintenance every day" although it might be a bit much to just jump into it. In the end, if you like it and it works for you then great. Who knows, I haven't tried it so I can't say for sure; maybe I'll try it for my next show ;D.
Thank you jrod, I was just joking by the way! ;D
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Thank you jrod, I was just joking by the way! ;D
Oh I know, its all good.
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bodybuilding.com interview: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jeff-rodriguez-interview.htm
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bodybuilding.com interview: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jeff-rodriguez-interview.htm
Cool!
You're my ideal of what bodybuilding should be all about! Thank you!
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Hey Jeff, great to have you on the board. Your work ethic is second to none and your physique certainly shows for it. Could you give us a brief overview of your experience at your last contest? Hows training coming along in the offseason? Any vids coming up? Thanks! :)
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thanks for the answer. keep it up! 8)
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"TRAINING CYCLE, HOMEMADE DIP BELT, OFFSEASON PICS"
Updated my blog with some pictures, below is one of them:
www.jrod123.blogspot.com
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you look great, calves are lagging but that's genetics and I'm sure you brutalize them to counteract that. I don't believe that you are natural based on your look, so if you are take my skepticism as the highest compliment. I'm a natural and I don't think anybody would distrust me :'( LOL.
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you look great, calves are lagging but that's genetics and I'm sure you brutalize them to counteract that. I don't believe that you are natural based on your look, so if you are take my skepticism as the highest compliment. I'm a natural and I don't think anybody would distrust me :'( LOL.
About the calves, yeah, I know, thats never gonna change. I'm sure that no matter what I do they will always be weak. Also, whatever is I have that is weak is probably always going to be relatively weak to whatever my strengths are.
About being natural, thats fine too. Maybe I'm not natural, maybe I am, who really knows but me. If I'm lying I'm gonna keep lying anyways; if I'm telling the truth, then I'll keep telling the truth. Either way, in the grand scheme of things, none of this shit really matters anyways, as long as I enjoy what I'm doing (lying or not). I'm just here passing through, doing my bodybuilding thing, trying to get ready for a show. Just assume in not natural; no offense taken.
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looks great! good luck with the show!
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About the calves, yeah, I know, thats never gonna change. I'm sure that no matter what I do they will always be weak. Also, whatever is I have that is weak is probably always going to be relatively weak to whatever my strengths are.
About being natural, thats fine too. Maybe I'm not natural, maybe I am, who really knows but me. If I'm lying I'm gonna keep lying anyways; if I'm telling the truth, then I'll keep telling the truth. Either way, in the grand scheme of things, none of this shit really matters anyways, as long as I enjoy what I'm doing (lying or not). I'm just here passing through, doing my bodybuilding thing, trying to get ready for a show. Just assume in not natural; no offense taken.
good answer.
and why would you admit to doing something illegal in the first place??
i dont really understand why people get all butthurt when you dont give them your cycles....
just dont say that your natural or not......thats the best option imo....
good luck at the team u
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good answer.
and why would you admit to doing something illegal in the first place??
i dont really understand why people get all butthurt when you dont give them your cycles....
just dont say that your natural or not......thats the best option imo....
good luck at the team u
I considered responding to the above (italicized), but I realized its going to take too long and in the end, its pointless.
Thanks for the good luck.
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JRod - you still around - I see this hasn't been updated in like 6 months or so.
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VERY GOOD POINT!
I cannot wait to show you guys my next level of leanness.
These photos are perfection in my mind. I think everyone needs to realize that ANY LEVEL of CONDITIONING IS POSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO ATTAIN, as long as they know how.
And,indeed. I have the how figured out. At this point it is a waiting game of my choosing.
There is no difficulty anymore. And I will show you that.
And yes, I will still eat Ice Cream and Cookies and Doughnuts whilst doing so!
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ALL NATURAl...yeah,ok!
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This joker's shredded. Look where the tip of the teardrop originates. That's how you know. It's interesting how alot of IFBB pros can get striations and many more of the hallmark signs of being ripped, but you know this guy got close to the end because of the depth you see there in the quad insertions and stuff. See that guy could play with his carbs over the next couple of weeks and look a million different variations of awesome. Even natural. I've seen it done a few times and it's really impressive the dramatic physiological changes that take place in a physique this conditioned. You need a physique that is conditioned to a very finite and consistent diet to reach a level like this, IMO. When you are here you are able to stimulate visibly dramatic changes in your look by not-so-dramatic dietary changes, if you consider food intake changes inside of 150-300 calories a day relatively insignificant.
I think he's a natural liar...
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I think he's a natural liar...
Is his last post on this thread a confession? Sure seems that way to me.