Trainer Certification

[Mydavid]

Mr Intenseone. I presume that someone from Getbig will be interested in training bodybuilders or average people wanting to get bigger. The plain fact is the majority of people who come to a gym want to get firm and that is hypertrophy by another name.

I looked at a convention in fitness a few months ago and none of their offerings were about building muscle. Instead they have lectures on Pilates and all the other rubbish that fitness nuts like to do. I have never liked any of those things. We offer some of them at our gym but I take little interest in them.

So instructors are becoming specialists, too. That is fine. I don't expect a bodybuilder to be able to give an aqua aerobics class and vice versa. The point is these people come to us asking for a job when they wouldn't be able to instruct most of my members. I insist that good instructors should be able to help the big guys. I have yet to see a big guy with a personal trainer. The average person uses those trainers. Sometimes older guys love the attention of a young female trainer to get some attention.

I don't see much science going into training. People claim that just like they claim they all have 'fully equipped gyms'. There is no such thing as a fully equipped gym. I have machines no one else in the world has. How can they be fully equipped? So there persists a lot of nonsense and exaggerating in this industry.

The surprizing thing is a guy like Melvin Goodrum CSN MFT might, and I stress might, be a good instructor even if he can't demonstrate much hypertrophy or definition on stage. It certainly doesn't evoke much confidence when a guy shows up looking like a beginner when he is pontificating on the discussion boards.

The way the rules are set up now in Australia guys like me are not 'qualified' to instruct in gyms. Of course I am qualified to give those instructing the instructors some lectures. It is always a case of certain people setting up standards and including themselves and who they approve of and excluding others. I have been a PE teacher for 10 years but how does that qualify anyone to instruct in a gym? If may or may not depending on the courses taken at college.

The thing is, who sets the standards in this industry and on what criterion? Since most academics do not recognize bodybuilding they don't consider it important when designing programs for students who want to become instructors. Things are not getting any better as far as I am concerned. There are more courses available to gain credentials but too many are not sufficient to be called professional courses.

You say so much, Vince, but didn't i PM you and you never answered??? Are you that popular where you can't keep up with your PM's?

Lisa

[Vince B]

Hi Lisa, you asked about someone I don't know but have heard about. I didn't think I had anything to tell you about him so didn't reply. I tend to reply to positive notes where someone is trying to communicate with me. Sorry if you felt slighted.

[Mydavid]

Hi Lisa, you asked about someone I don't know but have heard about. I didn't think I had anything to tell you about him so didn't reply. I tend to reply to positive notes where someone is trying to communicate with me. Sorry if you felt slighted.

Slighted? Don't know what that means...anyhow, fair enough!!!! Have a good day.

Lisa

[Richard2004]

Dude! I remember you.  monster schmoe, right?

Ahhh...yes...but hey, 240, when you can't say anything intelligent...you always attack their manhood!

!6,000+ posts too, 240?!  Maybe you need to get a JOB/life too!??

Actually, Knny has posted under so many aliases, over the years, ! am sure he has more total posts than all of the Getbig mods combined...30,000...40,000...50,000??!  Ron really needs to give him a special commendation!!

[240 is Back]

!6,000+ posts too, 240?!  Maybe you need to get a JOB/life too!??

Ron pays me $2 per post.

[Richard2004]

Like a college degree, or a black belt in the martial arts, having a "trainer certification" doesn't mean you know anything, or are going to be a "success in life", or can actually defend yourself!

All of us "vets" in the iron game have seen in the gym during our workouts, time after time, where some PT was putting one of their clients through a workout and we had to literally "bite our lips" to keep from going over there and saying to the PT (words to the effect) "where did you pick up that hair-brained exercise". or..."where did you say you got your certification"...??!

I imagine it means a little something to have a certification after your name and it may help land a first job...but you have got to have the training knowledge gathered through a constantly evolving study of training methods, the salesmanship, and the people skills, to be a successful PT!

And, I might sadly add...nowdays...you have to practically have the pharmaceutical knowledge of pharmacologist to satisfy some of your clients/potential-clients needs!

[Richard2004]

Like the time I went into the gym and saw one PT having some woman doing BB bench presses while lying on an inflated ball???!

Or, asked another PT, in a new gym I was scoping out, "where is your power rack"?  And, his response was, "what is a power rack"?!

[knny187]

Dude! I remember you.  monster schmoe, right?

he's a monster loser calling...us losers.


thats funny

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

You folks should not use my writings on message boards as a carbon copy for conducting my business.  When I'm at work, I'm serious and don't goof around.


The fact is that your customers and clients determine how great of a trainer or nutritionist you are, not your educational background or certifications. 

As far as mine are concerned, I spent 39 bucks for my sports nutritionist certification and 79.00 for my master fitness trainer certification.  In other words, I spent a total of 108 dollars...thousands of dollars less than what I spent in college and even 400 dollars less than the ISSA course I'm currently taking. 


Despite the paltry amount I spent, I managed to build a very successful fitness business.  My secret to my success is not being smart, but actually being pretty dumb.  When customers come to me, I don't give them a bunch of technical jargon or a lengthy session about anatomy.  I simply show them what to eat, how to train, and provide them with the supplements they need.  I don't give them no bullshitand don't get fancy.



The thing that holds back folks like Vince Basile and True Adonis is that they obsess so much with theory and science that they forget that the average joe simply wants to lose weight and stay healthy




So my advice to all personal trainers is to keep it simple, stupid.  I do and that's why I prosper from my business

[240 is Back]

vince, what do you charge an hour for personal trianing?

[avesher]

You folks should not use my writings on message boards as a carbon copy for conducting my business.  When I'm at work, I'm serious and don't goof around.


The fact is that your customers and clients determine how great of a trainer or nutritionist you are, not your educational background or certifications. 

As far as mine are concerned, I spent 39 bucks for my sports nutritionist certification and 79.00 for my master fitness trainer certification.  In other words, I spent a total of 108 dollars...thousands of dollars less than what I spent in college and even 400 dollars less than the ISSA course I'm currently taking. 


Despite the paltry amount I spent, I managed to build a very successful fitness business.  My secret to my success is not being smart, but actually being pretty dumb.  When customers come to me, I don't give them a bunch of technical jargon or a lengthy session about anatomy.  I simply show them what to eat, how to train, and provide them with the supplements they need.  I don't give them no bullshitand don't get fancy.



The thing that holds back folks like Vince Basile and True Adonis is that they obsess so much with theory and science that they forget that the average joe simply wants to lose weight and stay healthy



So my advice to all personal trainers is to keep it simple, stupid.  I do and that's why I prosper from my business

ya Vince,   you are doing so much better than Basile.  Doesn't he like own a gym, and live in Australia, and hang with top pros, and in general have a pretty sweet life.  Ya wow, you are really outdoing him.   

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

vince, what do you charge an hour for personal trianing?

It really depends.  I've charge around 150 an hour for personal training when I have to travel to the clients location.  However when I work in the gym it's around 50-80 dollars an hour.  I realized firsthand that most clients only pay for one or two courses so I would make extra money from selling supplements and if they decide to drop from the gym location, then I would sell them on of my Pilates Total Trainer machines or my spinner cycles I stock.  Its kind of hardcore  but it works very well

   

[onlyme]

It really depends.  I've charge around 150 an hour for personal training when I have to travel to the clients location.  However when I work in the gym it's around 50-80 dollars an hour.  I realized firsthand that most clients only pay for one or two courses so I would make extra money from selling supplements and if they decide to drop from the gym location, then I would sell them on of my Pilates Total Trainer machines or my spinner cycles I stock.  Its kind of hardcore  but it works very well

   

You have no clients Vince.  Be honest.  And this is in fact one of your former guys you sponsor.  this is why you don';t have clients.  And I can bet you anything on earth that you do not charge $150 an hour and if you really do I bet you anything not one person has ever paid that.  That is what guys who actually have comepted and actually took real classes and actually know what they are talking about and look like it.  You live in NC the cost of living there is so fucking low no way in the world can you charge that.  That is topdollar here in Hawaii the most expensive place to live is.  Why do you lie so much.  Are you seriously tryiong to impress us.  Cause all it does is get people like me who know this industry and have been in it for allot longer than you get pissed.  I hate it when you try to pass off the bullshit ALL the time. 

You folks should not use my writings on message boards as a carbon copy for conducting my business.  When I'm at work, I'm serious and don't goof around.


The fact is that your customers and clients determine how great of a trainer or nutritionist you are, not your educational background or certifications. 

As far as mine are concerned, I spent 39 bucks for my sports nutritionist certification and 79.00 for my master fitness trainer certification.  In other words, I spent a total of 108 dollars...thousands of dollars less than what I spent in college and even 400 dollars less than the ISSA course I'm currently taking. 


Despite the paltry amount I spent, I managed to build a very successful fitness business.  My secret to my success is not being smart, but actually being pretty dumb.  When customers come to me, I don't give them a bunch of technical jargon or a lengthy session about anatomy.  I simply show them what to eat, how to train, and provide them with the supplements they need.  I don't give them no bullshitand don't get fancy.



The thing that holds back folks like Vince Basile and True Adonis is that they obsess so much with theory and science that they forget that the average joe simply wants to lose weight and stay healthy




So my advice to all personal trainers is to keep it simple, stupid.  I do and that's why I prosper from my business

And please so me where people are quoting you.  Believe me if anyone is quoting you it is a joke.  YOu have nothing to offer anyone but laughter.  Please show me some of these copies so I can use them as much as possible.  I will use them all over the place and nothing will happen.

Serious question.  You alway state how you make a good living.  Yet the location you live and the way youlive do not show any kind of success.  I would liek to know what you consider a good living.  Cause I can almost guarantee you that your good living would barely pay my rent.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

You have no clients Vince.  Be honest.  And this is in fact one of your former guys you sponsor.  this is why you don';t have clients.  And I can bet you anything on earth that you do not charge $150 an hour and if you really do I bet you anything not one person has ever paid that.  That is what guys who actually have comepted and actually took real classes and actually know what they are talking about and look like it.  You live in NC the cost of living there is so fucking low no way in the world can you charge that.  That is topdollar here in Hawaii the most expensive place to live is.  Why do you lie so much.  Are you seriously tryiong to impress us.  Cause all it does is get people like me who know this industry and have been in it for allot longer than you get pissed.  I hate it when you try to pass off the bullshit ALL the time. 

And please so me where people are quoting you.  Believe me if anyone is quoting you it is a joke.  YOu have nothing to offer anyone but laughter.  Please show me some of these copies so I can use them as much as possible.  I will use them all over the place and nothing will happen.

Serious question.  You alway state how you make a good living.  Yet the location you live and the way youlive do not show any kind of success.  I would liek to know what you consider a good living.  Cause I can almost guarantee you that your good living would barely pay my rent.

I live in Greenville, South Carolina.  Big difference fatboy.  Try looking up that city and state instead and you'll find it isn't some bumpkin town.



Honestly, instead of worrying about me charging my clients, you should worry more about selling all of those PDI T-Shirts that were shipped late.....

[Max_Rep]

ISSA.  Got my wife the kit 4 years ago.  She still ain't completed it, but she smokes most trainers at golds in venice.

She's a trainer at Gold's Venice? Who is she?

[Max_Rep]

I tried personally training the lads here on Getbig. I didn't charge a dime and no one listened. Monster self-owning!

Ray Mentzer used to laugh at everyone who thought they were personal trainers. They would get Ray or Mike to train them for a while then start up their own business. I am not proud of the people in my industry but it is better than in the old days. Personal trainers have to get insurance in Australia and they have to be qualified and take courses to keep their qualifications current. In the old days gym owners just started up a business and started training people. Let's face it, having a personal trainer is a status thing and that is why a few make a lot of money. As far as I am concerned it is a big wank. I guess if people want to waste money on instruction and they get some results that is their business.

I doubt some of those on line certificates are worth much. How on earth are you going to know how to train someone by taking a course over a couple of months. You need years of experience and study to be qualified as far as I am concerned. If you haven't built yourself up then you probably don't know much about that subject, either. Most of those certificates don't mean much. If you have a university degree in exercise science or exercise physiology then I would be impressed. If you built yourself up to the advanced level without gear you qualify for a hypertrophy certifcate through experience. You can't build yourself up to that level without a lot of knowledge. Well, you can but someone else has to be telling you what to do. If you have a university degree in exercise science and have won a state level natural title then you are about as good as you can get as a trainer and instructor.

Vince so you remember something about one of the PT certifications was started by a couple guys who trained under Vince Gironda? Then people started to ask Vince who he was certified with. I remember him complaining about this before his death.

I also remember the guys who started Icarian equipment had worked for him. Do you remember the story behind any of that?

Vince and Ray had one thing in common. They both had terrible attitudes and demeanor.   

I know Ray scoffed at personal trainers but he was HORRIBLE with people in his gym and later in his private studio. He couldn't keep a clientele long because of his poor attitude.

[Richard2004]

he's a monster loser calling...us losers.

thats funny

Hey Knny, does Ron "pay you $2 per post", too??! 

Now, now, Knny, why don't you "come clean" and publicly reveal your TOTAL combined no. of Getbig posts under ALL of your aliases...is it 30,000(?)...40,000(?)...50,000?

OMG, GET A LIFE!!!