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This ought to rile some Getbiggers up. :-)
« on: September 13, 2007, 05:31:27 AM »
From the Halls of Malibu to the Shores of Kennedy
by Ann Coulter

Democrats claim Gen. David Petraeus' report to Congress on the surge was a put-up job with a pre-ordained conclusion. As if their response wasn't.

Democrats yearn for America to be defeated on the battlefield and oppose any use of the military -- except when they can find individual malcontents in the military willing to denounce the war and call for a humiliating retreat.

It's been the same naysaying from these people since before we even invaded Iraq -- despite the fact that their representatives in Congress voted in favor of that war.

Mark Bowden, author of "Black Hawk Down," warned Americans in the Aug. 30, 2002, Los Angeles Times of 60,000 to 100,000 dead American troops if we invaded Iraq -- comparing an Iraq war to Vietnam and a Russian battle in Chechnya. He said Iraqis would fight the Americans "tenaciously" and raised the prospect of Saddam using weapons of mass destruction against our troops, an attack on Israel "and possibly in the United States."

On Sept. 14, 2002, The New York Times' Frank Rich warned of another al-Qaida attack in the U.S. if we invaded Iraq, noting that since "major al-Qaida attacks are planned well in advance and have historically been separated by intervals of 12 to 24 months, we will find out how much we've been distracted soon enough."

This week makes it six years since a major al-Qaida attack. I guess we weren't distracted. But it looks like al-Qaida has been.

Weeks before the invasion, in March 2003, the Times' Nicholas Kristof warned in a couple of columns that if we invaded Iraq, "the Turks, Kurds, Iraqis and Americans will all end up fighting over the oil fields of Kirkuk or Mosul." He said: "The world has turned its back on the Kurds more times than I can count, and there are signs that we're planning to betray them again." He announced that "the United States is perceived as the world's newest Libya."

The day after we invaded, Kristof cited a Muslim scholar for the proposition that if Iraqis felt defeated, they would embrace Islamic fundamentalism.

We took Baghdad in about 17 days flat with amazingly few casualties. There were no al-Qaida attacks in America, no attacks on Israel, no invasion by Turkey, no attacks on our troops with chemical weapons, no ayatollahs running Iraq. We didn't turn our back on the Kurds. There were certainly not 100,000 dead American troops.

But liberals soon began raising yet more pointless quibbles. For most of 2003, they said the war was a failure because we hadn't captured Saddam Hussein. Then we captured Saddam, and Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean complained that "the capture of Saddam has not made America safer." (On the other hand, Howard Dean's failure to be elected president definitely made America safer.)

Next, liberals said the war was a failure because we hadn't captured Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Then we killed al-Zarqawi and a half-dozen of his aides in an air raid. Then they said the war was a failure because ... you get the picture.

The Democrats' current talking point is that "there can be no military solution in Iraq without a political solution." But back when we were imposing a political solution, Democrats' talking point was that there could be no political solution without a military solution.

They said the first Iraqi election, scheduled for January 2005, wouldn't happen because there was no "security."

Noted Middle East peace and security expert Jimmy Carter told NBC's "Today" show in September 2004 that he was confident the elections would not take place. "I personally do not believe they're going to be ready for the election in January ... because there's no security there," he said.

At the first presidential debate in September 2004, Sen. John Kerry used his closing statement to criticize the scheduled Iraqi elections saying: "They can't have an election right now. The president's not getting the job done."

About the same time, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan said he doubted there would be elections in January, saying, "You cannot have credible elections if the security conditions continue as they are now" -- although he may have been referring here to a possible vote of the U.N. Security Council.

In October 2004, Nicholas Lemann wrote in The New Yorker that "it may not be safe enough there for the scheduled elections to be held in January."

Days before the first election in Iraq in January 2005, The New York Times began an article on the election this way:

"Hejaz Hazim, a computer engineer who could not find a job in computers and now cleans clothes, slammed his iron into a dress shirt the other day and let off a burst of steam about the coming election.

"'This election is bogus,' Mr. Hazim said. 'There is no drinking water in this city. There is no security. Why should I vote?'"

If there's a more artful articulation of the time-honored linkage between drinking water and voting, I have yet to hear it.

And then, as scheduled, in January 2005, millions of citizens in a country that has never had a free election risked their lives to cast ballots in a free democratic election. They've voted twice more since then.

Now our forces are killing lots of al-Qaida jihadists, preventing another terrorist attack on U.S. soil, and giving democracy in Iraq a chance -- and Democrats say we are "losing" this war. I think that's a direct quote from their leader in the Senate, Harry Reid, but it may have been the Osama bin Laden tape released this week. I always get those two confused.

OK, they knew what Petraeus was going to say. But we knew what the Democrats were going to say. If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid.

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Re: This ought to rile some Getbiggers up. :-)
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2007, 05:40:24 AM »
I'd respond to this post in detail, but I'm too busy trying to undermine my country so that I can humiliate America with baseless hate-filled attacks.

Down with America!

Al Qaeda needs to be understood.  We just don't give Al Qaeda a chance.

Ann Coulter is not a serious person and a proven propagandist. 

If you're going to post comedy Colossus, try George Carlin or Bill Hicks.

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2007, 06:24:44 AM »
I'd respond to this post in detail, but I'm too busy trying to undermine my country so that I can humiliate America with baseless hate-filled attacks.

Down with America!

Al Qaeda needs to be understood.  We just don't give Al Qaeda a chance.


I don't have time to read this article.

I'm on my way to go pee in a church.

After that, I'll be helping some  9/11 make fun of their husbands' deaths.

Then, I'll be proposing my new "Hugs for Terrorist Nukes" program to congress.

Busy day. Maybe I'll get around to reading this tonight.

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Re: This ought to rile some Getbiggers up. :-)
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2007, 06:35:11 AM »
I can't take anything ann coulter writes seriously...i mean, ann coulter? frickin' ann coulter? are you serious? i mean..she's like glenn beck...and o'reilly and olbermann...all biased points of view with little regard for facts...i wouldn't wipe my butt with ann coulter writings..
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Re: This ought to rile some Getbiggers up. :-)
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2007, 06:52:31 AM »
Yeah but occasionally she's right..great post. Rocky glad u don't like Oberman.
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2007, 07:42:09 AM »
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAA   ;D  ;D  ;D

these responses had me cracking up!  lol

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2007, 07:54:31 AM »
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA   ;D  ;D  ;D

these responses had me cracking up!  lol
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Re: This ought to rile some Getbiggers up. :-)
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2007, 08:09:11 AM »
1.  The War is over - we won by virtue of default - No WMD's, No Significant Resistance

2.  The Occupation is an abject failure with no end in sight - no security, very little electricity or running water, massive unemployment, daily car bombings, Iraqi government on the verge of collapse, no end in sight

3.  Lack of a new terrorist attack is not proof that anything we're doing in Iraq has prevented one from happening.  Show me a direct correlation or it just the same specious argument that it's alway been

4.  Having the US military bogged down in Iraq is preventing us from pursuing new and real terrorist threats and stretching our military to the breaking point

5.  The Iraqi government steadfastly refuses to pass the hydrocarbon legislation that would create sweet-heart deals for foreign oil companies - this is the primary reasons we're there in the first place

6. The most likely outcome is that we'll have spent a trillion dollars of US taxpayer money and thousands of US citizens killed or maimed to establish a new and powerful, Shia dominated, Islamic Theocracy and we still won't get any of that oil.




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Re: This ought to rile some Getbiggers up. :-)
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2007, 08:41:23 AM »
The general is looking at things subjectively (cool I can handle that), and then the dems bitch and act like they are looking at things from the ground and being all objective (bullshit) the man has stars and runs circles around these "business" politicians.

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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2007, 08:45:36 AM »
The general is looking at things subjectively (cool I can handle that), and then the dems bitch and act like they are looking at things from the ground and being all objective (bullshit) the man has stars and runs circles around these "business" politicians.
The general is giving an opinion that contradicts the conclusion of the GAO (general accounting office--a non-partisan office) report which concluded that violence is not down in Iraq.  I.e., the Surge is not working.

Either Petraeus is lying or the GAO is lying.  Where have we seen a respected military figure used as a tool to bullshit the american public into supporting the Bush Administration's position on Iraq?

Colin Powell and his UN song and dance to drive home the push to invade Iraq in 2003.

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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2007, 10:02:46 AM »
Mark Bowden, author of "Black Hawk Down," warned Americans in the Aug. 30, 2002, Los Angeles Times of 60,000 to 100,000 dead American troops if we invaded Iraq -- comparing an Iraq war to Vietnam and a Russian battle in Chechnya. He said Iraqis would fight the Americans "tenaciously" and raised the prospect of Saddam using weapons of mass destruction against our troops, an attack on Israel "and possibly in the United States."


I emailed Mark Bowden, he writes for the local Philadelphia paper,  about this statement quoted by our resident ''journalist'' Ann Coulter and this was his response to me....

Completely wrong, Damon. You can look up the article easily. August 30, 2002. LATImes. No mention of projected casualty figures at all. No mention of WMDs. The article, contrary to her assertions, supported the invasion of Iraq. I have sent her an email about it, but something tells me that she is not too concerned with getting things right.
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2007, 10:25:15 AM »
Mark Bowden, author of "Black Hawk Down," warned Americans in the Aug. 30, 2002, Los Angeles Times of 60,000 to 100,000 dead American troops if we invaded Iraq -- comparing an Iraq war to Vietnam and a Russian battle in Chechnya. He said Iraqis would fight the Americans "tenaciously" and raised the prospect of Saddam using weapons of mass destruction against our troops, an attack on Israel "and possibly in the United States."


I emailed Mark Bowden, he writes for the local Philadelphia paper,  about this statement quoted by our resident ''journalist'' Ann Coulter and this was his response to me....

Completely wrong, Damon. You can look up the article easily. August 30, 2002. LATImes. No mention of projected casualty figures at all. No mention of WMDs. The article, contrary to her assertions, supported the invasion of Iraq. I have sent her an email about it, but something tells me that she is not too concerned with getting things right.
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Bowden never came across as somebody who would be against the war. I'm not sure why Coulter picked him.
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