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How much fucking proof do you want? That thread should not have been moved. The original artical from the LA Times was there...the LEFT WING LA Times. Just because you can't handle your boy is a complete screw up and an enemy of this country doesn't make any less true. If you're going to keep doing this crap and letting people post hit that YOU only see fit, then remove yourself as mod. Who the Fuck you think you are....Obama?
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How much fucking proof do you want? That thread should not have been moved. The original artical from the LA Times was there...the LEFT WING LA Times. Just because you can't handle your boy is a complete screw up and an enemy of this country doesn't make any less true. If you're going to keep doing this crap and letting people post hit that YOU only see fit, then remove yourself as mod. Who the Fuck you think you are....Obama?
Ozmo is still in shell shock at just how monumental a failure Obama is
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Ozmo is still in shell shock at just how monumental a failure Obama is
Not so much shock as is in denial.
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Not so much shock as is in denial.
denial
you mean like your nonsense that Obama is not a legitimate president or that he is a manufactured president
whatever the fuck those two absurd statements even mean the reality is that you can't process the fact that he was elected twice and both times in a landslide
You know full well he could win a third term if he were allowed because your side can't even find a candidate capable of beating him
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How much fucking proof do you want? That thread should not have been moved. The original artical from the LA Times was there...the LEFT WING LA Times. Just because you can't handle your boy is a complete screw up and an enemy of this country doesn't make any less true. If you're going to keep doing this crap and letting people post hit that YOU only see fit, then remove yourself as mod. Who the Fuck you think you are....Obama?
I thought Ozmo was pretty unbiased.
If a mod should get his walking papers it should be Beach Bum.
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denial
you mean like your nonsense that Obama is not a legitimate president or that he is a manufactured president
whatever the fuck those two absurd statements even mean the reality is that you can't process the fact that he was elected twice and both times in a landslide
You know full well he could win a third term if he were allowed because your side can't even find a candidate capable of beating him
He's as legit as the hiding gimmicks on this site. Needs to be removed from office. The only way he won any of these terms was by the media covering his lazy, lying ass. Where there's smoke there's usually fire and this fire has been burning since day one. Keep covering for him, makes you just as evil as him.
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How much fucking proof do you want? That thread should not have been moved. The original artical from the LA Times was there...the LEFT WING LA Times. Just because you can't handle your boy is a complete screw up and an enemy of this country doesn't make any less true. If you're going to keep doing this crap and letting people post hit that YOU only see fit, then remove yourself as mod. Who the Fuck you think you are....Obama?
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You are pretty much known as one of the dumbest posters on this forum. At it gets proven quite often.
I have debunked soundly anything Birthers have served up.
Sorry dude. Feel free to back up with facts and good debate on the CT board.
Hint: only cut and pasting doesn't impress me.
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You are pretty much known as one of the dumbest posters on this forum. At it gets proven quite often.
Only by the left minions on here and you haven't proven shit..show me.
I have debunked soundly anything Birthers have served up.
Where? By the huffington post? Media Matter's? or the other Obama segregates?
Sorry dude. Feel free to back up with facts and good debate on the CT board.
Hint: only cut and pasting doesn't impress me.
Then how else do I post proof, genius?
There's a name and number in that link. Feel free to post up your conversation with them. Also feel free to post up proof as opposed to Arpaio and the bet that money that Trump offered (I believe $5mil) to the charity of Obama's choice if he can prove otherwise....which he didn't.
http://obamacrimes.com/
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There's a name and number in that link. Feel free to post up your conversation with them. Also feel free to post up proof as opposed to Arpaio and the bet that money that Trump offered (I believe $5mil) to the charity of Obama's choice if he can prove otherwise....which he didn't.
http://obamacrimes.com/
They have been debunked soundly on the CT board, you will have to do some reading.
Having to ask: "then how else do I post proof, genius?" only supports what I initially said about you.
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HAHAHAHAHA.
Mental Midget Meltdown.
But... but.. but Ozmo, you "just don't get it" do you?
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I'm not a "left minion" and I'm convinced that you are just about the dumbest poster on here Joe...
As for more birther shit, come on. Enough already. Every single argument has been debunked. You even had to eat crow and admit that the publication of a birth announcement in Hawaii papers at the time (a documented, provable fact) shoots birther conspiracies down.
I'll ask you again Joe: how do you explain the documented evidence that a notice of birth was published at the time when Obama was born? Was the conspiracy going on back then to elect the little mongrel President? And if so, why Obama? Was he the best they could muster? Why not pick someone who wouldn't face questions? They orchestrated a masterful conspiracy but couldn't find an appropriate candidate infant?
Joe, I'm sorry to say this because you seem like a nice guy all around. But you are dumber than a rock. Sorry, just stating facts.
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Remember, Coach here claims there is scientific evidence and proof that prayer actually works.
Judging from that wacky claim it makes you wonder why God isn't listening to the dingbat birthers that are praying for Obama to be impeached.
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I'm not a "left minion" and I'm convinced that you are just about the dumbest poster on here Joe...
As for more birther shit, come on. Enough already. Every single argument has been debunked. You even had to eat crow and admit that the publication of a birth announcement in Hawaii papers at the time (a documented, provable fact) shoots birther conspiracies down.
I'll ask you again Joe: how do you explain the documented evidence that a notice of birth was published at the time when Obama was born? Was the conspiracy going on back then to electthe little mongrel President? And if so, why Obama? Was he the best they could muster? Why not pick someone who wouldn't face questions? They orchestrated a masterful conspiracy but couldn't find an appropriate candidate infant?
Joe, I'm sorry to say this because you seem like a nice guy all around. But you are dumber than a rock. Sorry, just stating facts.
Sure, whatever you say. How do explain arpaio's findings, the explanations in the link I just posted, trumps offer and most of all, all of Obama's sealed documents that are confidential?
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How do explain arpaio's findings
Which findings? Be specific please, because as far as I can tell the only thing Arpaio found where the refills to becoming a laughingstock. And I'm pretty sure that Orly Taitz beat then to the punch.
the explanations in the link I just posted
Which explanations? About the occidental documents which have been proven to be as forged as the document that Orly Taitz published purporting to be a Kenyan birth certificate from the "Republic of Kenya" when Kenya wasn't a Republic?
trumps offer
LOL... Come now... Trump!?! The guy that trolled you all, saying how he had proof and was just waiting for the right time (???) to reveal it before getting on TV and saying "I'll donate money if you release your transcripts pretty please!"? That Trump?
What's there to explain?
and most of all, all of Obama's sealed documents that are confidential?
Which documents?
His transcripts? My transcripts aren't sealed but you could contact my alma mater and they'd tell you to go pound sand and not let you have them.
His Hawaii birth certificate? The one that the Department of State accepts as proof of citizenship? The one he publicly released the scan of the document, a scan which the issuing Department authenticated and verified to be a true and accurate copy of the original, on file with the office?
Coach, I get it. You're stupid and delusional. You refuse to see reality and prefer to live in fantasy land. And that's just fine – there's no point in asking a retarded and crazy man to get smart and stop being crazy. But is it too much to ask that you don't try and bullshit the rest of us with your conspiratorial nonsense, the bullshit by Arpaio, the verbal diarrhea by Trump, and the rest if the debunked points you're being fed and which you accept uncritically.
Just go meet Jerome Corsi, Orly Taitz and all your other little friends and play in the corner quietly and leave the adults alone.
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Seriously Coach what kind of fucking business are you running?
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Seriously Coach what kind of fucking business are you running?
Retards-R-Us
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He's as legit as the hiding gimmicks on this site. Needs to be removed from office. The only way he won any of these terms was by the media covering his lazy, lying ass. Where there's smoke there's usually fire and this fire has been burning since day one. Keep covering for him, makes you just as evil as him.
your party had it's chance to do that
remember dumbass
it was just last November
remember the landslide you predicted for Romney ?
Obama won in a landslide because more of your fellow citizens voted for him than your guy
That's how this country works
If you don't like it then go somewhere else but stop crying because you lost the game
Try running better candidates next time
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Which findings? Be specific please, because as far as I can tell the only thing Arpaio found where the refills to becoming a laughingstock. And I'm pretty sure that Orly Taitz beat then to the punch.
A laughing stock by whom? The left? laughing stocks don't get re-elected 5-6 times
Which explanations? About the occidental documents which have been proven to be as forged as the document that Orly Taitz published purporting to be a Kenyan birth certificate from the "Republic of Kenya" when Kenya wasn't a Republic?
Who proved they were forged? I suppose the liberal LA Times article was a forgery as well?
LOL... Come now... Trump!?! The guy that trolled you all, saying how he had proof and was just waiting for the right time (???) to reveal it before getting on TV and saying "I'll donate money if you release your transcripts pretty please!"? That Trump?
What's there to explain?
It's all about eligibility. Do you REALLY think Araio, Orly, Trump, etc are going to risk reputations? These people are not some unidentified wack jobs who no one knows
Which documents?
His transcripts? My transcripts aren't sealed but you could contact my alma mater and they'd tell you to go pound sand and not let you have them.
His Hawaii birth certificate? The one that the Department of State accepts as proof of citizenship? The one he publicly released the scan of the document, a scan which the issuing Department authenticated and verified to be a true and accurate copy of the original, on file with the office?
Coach, I get it. You're stupid and delusional. You refuse to see reality and prefer to live in fantasy land. And that's just fine – there's no point in asking a retarded and crazy man to get smart and stop being crazy. But is it too much to ask that you don't try and bullshit the rest of us with your conspiratorial nonsense, the bullshit by Arpaio, the verbal diarrhea by Trump, and the rest if the debunked points you're being fed and which you accept uncritically.
Just go meet Jerome Corsi, Orly Taitz and all your other little friends and play in the corner quietly and leave the adults alone.
http://www.mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/Sheriffreleasesobamafindings.pdf
Want more?
We're not supposed to be believe because liberals says there's no way it could be true? There is no hard copy.
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Yeah - every supposed con law genius spends 2 million to keep all his records concealed cause everything is legit. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Birthers...... lol
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Yeah - every supposed con law genius spends 2 million to keep all his records concealed cause everything is legit. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Why would he need to spend a dime? His educational records are not public - like yours and mine, they are protected by Federal law and cannot be released to anyone except with he explicit written permission of the student.
Take a look at your transcripts – official copies will have language substantially similar to the above, and refer to FERPA, the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, enacted in 1974 and designed to protect the privacy of student education records.
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Why would he need to spend a dime? His educational records are not public - like yours and mine, they are protected by Federal law and cannot be released to anyone except with he explicit written permission of the student.
Take a look at your transcripts – official copies will have language substantially similar to the above, and refer to FERPA, the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, enacted in 1974 and designed to protect the privacy of student education records.
If I had no record whatsoever other than my supposed superior intellect by going to Columbia and Harvard, had published no written works whatsoever, you don't think its fishy that said person would then go to such extraordinary lengths to conceal is his records?
The entire creature that is Obama is built on a myth and media created image which is patently at odds w reality.
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Why would he need to spend a dime? His educational records are not public - like yours and mine, they are protected by Federal law and cannot be released to anyone except with he explicit written permission of the student.
Hello? He was running for President. He was never even vetted
Take a look at your transcripts – official copies will have language substantially similar to the above, and refer to FERPA, the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, enacted in 1974 and designed to protect the privacy of student education records.
Check and see if running for president shouldn't expose you to EVERYTHING. Why was he exempt and other presidents were not? Even Palin released hers and loo at the backlash she got
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A laughing stock by whom? The left? laughing stocks don't get re-elected 5-6 times
By everyone except birthers. As for him getting reelected, I submit to you that voters elect and reelect stupid people into office all the time. Take Obama for example.
Who proved they were forged? I suppose the liberal LA Times article was a forgery as well?
The "birth certificate" which Orly Taitz published was issued by a a country which did not exist at the time the document was supposedly issued.
That makes it prima facie invalid. A country which does not exist ("The Republic of Kenya") cannot issue a birth certificate.
Repeat after me: the Republic of Kenya wasn't formed until after the birth of Obama and the date which the birth certificate in question was supposedly issued. Prior to that it wasn't a Republic at all; it was known as the "Dominion of Kenya" was a part of the British Empire.
Seriously... is this not proof enough that the document in question is a forgery?!? It's not a right thing or a left thing. It's history and logic. What else would it take to prove it if the self-documenting fact that it was issued by a country which did not exist at the time of issuance isn't enough?
It's all about eligibility. Do you REALLY think Araio, Orly, Trump, etc are going to risk reputations? These people are not some unidentified wack jobs who no one knows
What reputation does Orly Taitz have, except that of a nutjob who gets scolded by Federal Judges and has cases she files summarily dismissed?
Trump became a laughingstock after he trolled the Republican Party and the media about his intention to seek the Presidency, and when he made statements which suggested that he had solid, irrefutable and incontrovertible evidence that Obama was born in Kenya but he refused, repeatedly, to produce them, and then went on TV to say "please show is your transcript. If you do, I'll donate money!"
Arpaio trashed his reputation when he sent his crack team of volunteer investigators to Hawaii, led by Jerome Corsi and, subsequently, presented the same "evidence" that had been presented and debunked before. Also when he couldn't answer simple questions like "how do you explain the presence of original hard copies of newspapers announcing the birth of Barack Hussein Obama at the Kapiolani hospital in the "births" section.
http://www.mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/Sheriffreleasesobamafindings.pdf
It's ironic that this document begins with a quote by Arpaio, where he says he doesn't believe the scanned birth certificate is true. Nobody cares about Arpaio's beliefs, we care about the evidence.
And sadly, the evidence isn't there.
the Hawaii Department of Health has validated that the birth certificate published by Obama is accurate and reflects the information on file with the office. Subsequently, the copy of the microfiche of the certificate was produced by the Department, and it contained the exact same information.
It's important to note that the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health was a Republican, as was he Governor at the time. It's also important to remember that if there was a conspiracy, it would have to involve at least hundreds of people who had access to the record in question and could expose any attempt of fraud. Nobody has.
Now, Arpaio and his crack team raise concerns that it's 'shopped. They ignore explanations by professors of computer science who are experts at document scanning and image analysis. They ignore explanations of graphics professionals who explain the things they observe with the document. And they ignore a video, with instructions, that shows how anyone can scan such a form into PDF and get similar results.
They then go on and on about the Selective Service card of Obama. They say the card was faked and the stamp shopped from a 2008 stamp to read "80". This ignores the fact that the stamp also says "USPO" and not "USPS" (which the 2008 stamp would say) as well as substantially similar stamps that people can see on their own records – records whose validity they have no need to dispute.
Then there's the matter of the missing "landing cards." Or is there? All we have is Jerome Corsi's promise that they are missing. He lacks credibility, but even if he didn't, the fact that sells birther books and stands to profit substantially by perpetuating this hoax makes his statement untrustworthy.
There's nothing in this press release that proves the statements Apraio makes in the opening statement and no evidence that hadn't already been debunked prior to this "investigation" is presented.
Want more?
Sure, if you have it. But can you answer one question for me, since I answered yours?
How do you account for the existence of numerous original copies of Hawaii newspapers from that time (copies which belong to citizens), documenting Obama's birth, and the existence of microfiche of the newspapers at numerous libraries?
Come on... inquiring minds want to know.
We're not supposed to be believe because liberals says there's no way it could be true? There is no hard copy.
It's not a left or a right thing. You're supposed to examine the veracity of the information you believe in. Instead you just take it and regurgitate it. It would have taken all of 30 seconds to figure out the Taitz birth certificate was a forgery and that either Taitz was fooled or she set out to fool those who believed her. The country that issued that document didn't exist at the time the document was issued for crying out loud!!!
Joe, use your brain. For once, just use your fucking brain. You are flexing all the muscles except the one that counts!
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If I had no record whatsoever other than my supposed superior intellect by going to Columbia and Harvard, had published no written works whatsoever, you don't think its fishy that said person would then go to such extraordinary lengths to conceal is his records?
I think it'd be silly, but so what? It's not extraordinary to say "I refuse to release my educational records" and, under FERPA, no steps have to be taken.
The entire creature that is Obama is built on a myth and media created image which is patently at odds w reality.
Perhaps, but even if this is true, the fact is that he was born in Hawaii.
Hello? He was running for President. He was never even vetted.
Each voter decides how to vet the candidates independently. Like it or not, most found him qualified (although I'm not sure why, but that's a different topic).
Check and see if running for president shouldn't expose you to EVERYTHING. Why was he exempt and other presidents were not? Even Palin released hers and loo at the backlash she got
Check what? I see no requirement that a candidate release educational records. Or birth certificates for that matter.
Should Obama have released them? Maybe. If he was particularly proud or he felt they would illuminate a side of his personality the voters needed to see, then she should have. But they're his records. I'm not evaluating him for admission to an academic position.
Personally, I think I'd find then to be of little value. I know brilliant students with shit academic records, and people who graduated cum laude and are incompetent. It's my experience as an instructor at the university level that informs this approach.
More generally, I think that the amount of information that is expected candidates will release in their pursuit of the Presidency is obscene. We have people discussing Romney's behavior in high school or Obama's culinary experiences as a child.
Fucking ridiculous...
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Retards-R-Us
LOL
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Why won't i be surprised if Coach doesn't come back and address Avxo's points in detail?
How much do you wanna bet he just posts a few links or cut and pastes something and says "here's proof the only reason you don't see it is you are a lib" OR just dissapears from the thread all together like usually does when he gets blasted?
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You need to stop deleting posts Ozmo, even if they have a tiny little bad word, this is getbig for gods sake
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Why won't i be surprised if Coach doesn't come back and address Avxo's points in detail?
How much do you wanna bet he just posts a few links or cut and pastes soimething and says "here's proof the only reason you don't see it is you are a lib" OR just dissapears from the thread all together like usually does when he gets blasted?
Thereis nothing to address anymore. At this this point its a he said she said dialog. Either you believe it or you dont. But just because youdo not believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen and doesn't mean YOUR opinion gives you the go ahead to move or delete a thread. You really think I'm the only one here who thinks this way?
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Regardless of where the fucker was born - the fact that he lives in the WH today should be far more disturbing to anyone w a clue.
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Regardless of where the fucker was born - the fact that he lives in the WH today should be far more disturbing to anyone w a clue.
everything is "disturbing" when you are suffering from mental illness
Obama was elected TWICE by a majority of your fellow citizens
If you don't like it then you don't like the way this country works
Why don't you just say that instead
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everything is "disturbing" when you are suffering from mental illness
Obama was elected TWICE by a majority of your fellow citizens
If you don't like it then you don't like the way this country works
Why don't you just say that instead
And he's doing a great job at that, isn't he?
*this is a mental test
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Thereis nothing to address anymore. At this this point its a he said she said dialog. Either you believe it or you dont. But just because youdo not believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen and doesn't mean YOUR opinion gives you the go ahead to move or delete a thread. You really think I'm the only one here who thinks this way?
HAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA you are such a joke.
It's not an opinion moron, it's a fact.
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Thereis nothing to address anymore. At this this point its a he said she said dialog. Either you believe it or you dont. But just because youdo not believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen and doesn't mean YOUR opinion gives you the go ahead to move or delete a thread. You really think I'm the only one here who thinks this way?
There is plenty to address if you really believe he was born elsewhere. Beucase you either believe it base on facts or faith. axvo gave you concrete arguments based on fact.
Are you scared to engage him? Or did you actually read the Birther beat down on the CT board and just can't admit defeat?
If its just faith what does that say about you?
Of its based on facts what does it say about copping out like you just did?
And coach, your assertion: "just because youdo not believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen" sounds like something middle schoolers say when they get cornered in an argument.
For the record, I would love to believe it. I hate OB. But I base most of my beliefs on facts and logic. The facts and logic are overwhelming that he was born here.
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And additionally, Coach, I am not at all surprised you refusing to engage avxo points. It's pretty much what what you usually do: run away.
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Thereis nothing to address anymore. At this this point its a he said she said dialog. Either you believe it or you dont. But just because youdo not believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen and doesn't mean YOUR opinion gives you the go ahead to move or delete a thread. You really think I'm the only one here who thinks this way?
Are you kidding me? I addressed every point you made in detail and every point Arpaio made in his "report" in detail.
Is it a "he said" that the birth certificate that Orly Taitz posted was issued by a country which did not yet exist? It's trivial to verify the fact that the "Republic of Kenya" did not exist at the time this birth certificate was supposedly issued.
Is it a "he said" that prominent researchers in digital imaging and document analysts have explained the "irregularities" that Arpaio – a man with no training or expertise in computer document imaging, document analysis or computer forensics – is concerned about? There are videos online that demonstrate how to replicate them on a document of your choice!
Is it a "he said" that Trump, who boasted that he had incontrovertible proof that Obama wasn't born here (which later became incontrovertible proof that he wasn't Constitutionally eligible to hold the office) didn't produce anything? It's trivial to see Trump's statements and determine for yourself whether his "please release your records Mr. President" plea didn't deliver.
Come on Joe... even if you can't refute my argument, at least have the honesty and decency to say "well, those are all good points. I can't refute them. It still don't believe that Obama was born in Hawaii, but I can't refute the points you made."
Not only can you not do that, you don't even have the desire and the intellectual honesty to examine the facts and the proof I presented. This is something you owe to yourself, and nobody else. And you can't even do that.
You are a joke – a blindly partisan, unthinking joke with an atrophied brain. You are everything that's wrong with the country. You are exactly like the idiots on the left – you accept what you're fed and regurgitate it. YOU just differ on the particulars.
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Let's get real for a second
there are a few posters on this board who are just not in touch with consensus reality
it's a complete waste of time to even entertain their delusions
we all know this
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Let's get real for a second
there are a few posters on this board who are just not in touch with consensus reality
it's a complete waste of time to even entertain their delusions
we all know this
you mean like those who still believe obamcare will deliver on the promises made in passing this farce?
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you mean like those who still believe obamcare will deliver on the promises made in passing this farce?
no, I mean like you and Coach and Bum and a few other
ACA has hardly even started and YES is may turn out to be bad but a sane person would actually wait for proof of that before going completely banana's like you do on a daily basis
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you mean like those who still believe obamcare will deliver on the promises made in passing this farce?
Delusions come in many forms, that much is obvious. Although, perhaps, not to Coach... ;D
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Delusions come in many forms, that much is obvious. Although, perhaps, not to Coach... ;D
George Bush made me leave the GOP for his bs - sadly - most dems seem more than happy to ride the Obamatanic right into Davey Jones' locker.
As for the Birther stuff - it was entertaining and there are some discrepancies - but I believe the case is more compelling in regards to his concealment of his later records than the mystery surrounding his being spawned.
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Delusions come in many forms, that much is obvious. Although, perhaps, not to Coach... ;D
I keep having this intrusive thought of coach being a master troll.
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George Bush made me leave the GOP for his bs - sadly - most dems seem more than happy to ride the Obamatanic right into Davey Jones' locker.
As for the Birther stuff - it was entertaining and there are some discrepancies - but I believe the case is more compelling in regards to his concealment of his later records than the mystery surrounding his being spawned.
If he lied on his college forms, and got federal aid as a result, he should be prosecuted. But I haven't seen any compelling evidence that he has. Even if he released his transcripts, how would that prove anything in connection with this? Nothing about federal aid or status shows up on transcripts as far as I am aware.
This, seems to me, to be just more of the "release your records" chant to maintain the idea that he's hiding something. After all, if he had lied, there would be records that the government has documenting those lies. If Snowden can leak gigabytes of NSA material, you really think nobody would leak a document proving the President claimed foreign citizenship and made material misrepresentations under penalty of perjury? That's just not realistic.
Can't we just move on and criticize him on his actions today and his political positions today? It's not like there isn't plenty of material there.
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I trashed Michelle for her garden didn't I? ;D
If he lied on his college forms, and got federal aid as a result, he should be prosecuted. But I haven't seen any compelling evidence that he has. Even if he released his transcripts, how would that prove anything in connection with this? Nothing about federal aid or status shows up on transcripts as far as I am aware.
This, seems to me, to be just more of the "release your records" chant to maintain the idea that he's hiding something. After all, if he had lied, there would be records that the government has documenting those lies. If Snowden can leak gigabytes of NSA material, you really think nobody would leak a document proving the President claimed foreign citizenship and made material misrepresentations under penalty of perjury? That's just not realistic.
Can't we just move on and criticize him on his actions today and his political positions today? It's not like there isn't plenty of material there.
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Coach = dumbest person posting on this board by far.
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I trashed Michelle for her garden didn't I? ;D
hehehehehe
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I trashed Michelle for her garden didn't I? ;D
Hmm? Garden? What's that all about?
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Hmm? Garden? What's that all about?
Her vege garden at the WH is in complete disarray
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Her vege garden at the WH is in complete disarray
you thought the weeds would stop growing when the government shut down?
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you thought the weeds would stop growing when the government shut down?
Why doesn't that fat fuck go tend to the garden herself?
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If she did that you'd just criticize her for neglecting her duties as FLOTUS in favor of acorn squash.
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If she did that you'd just criticize her for neglecting her duties as FLOTUS in favor of acorn squash.
The only duties she has now is partying, chooming, and drinking too much ad FLOTUS
I rather see her w a hoe, farming tools, in the sweltering heat tending to the crops. :D
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Why doesn't that fat fuck go tend to the garden herself?
an even better question is why you are still on this board when you said you were going to leave
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Why doesn't that fat fuck go tend to the garden herself?
Haha, never understood people who grow gardens and then can't be arsed to attend to them on their own. Pretty pathetic.
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Her vege garden at the WH is in complete disarray
Oh yeah... I remember reading something about the garden she did at the White House. I can take that stuff or leave it, but I will say that vegetables are awesome.
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The only duties she has now is partying, chooming, and drinking too much ad FLOTUS
I rather see her w a hoe, farming tools, in the sweltering heat tending to the crops. :D
I got vivid pictures of her in a plaid shirt with a bandanna on working the cotton fields. So much racism lol.
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I can't believe this birther shit is still alive.
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I keep having this intrusive thought of coach being a master troll.
Holy fuck, you, Straw, Lurker and Ozmo have came up with NOTHING. I will hand to axvo, he does make a case but you clowns have nothing, not one fucking thing except insults and what do get from Ozmo (like a 12 year old) "are you afraid of him"? But regardless, it's either you believe it or you don't. Call it what you will but liberals are not only the dumbest, no commonsense mother f**kers on this site bar none. THAT'S A FACT!
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I got vivid pictures of her in a plaid shirt with a bandanna on working the cotton fields. So much racism lol.
;D
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Holy fuck, you, Straw, Lurker and Ozmo have came up with NOTHING. I will hand to axvo, he does make a case but you clowns have nothing, not one fucking thing except insults and what do get from Ozmo (like a 12 year old) "are you afraid of him"? But regardless, it's either you believe it or you don't. Call it what you will but liberals are not only the dumbest, no commonsense mother f**kers on this site bar none. THAT'S A FACT!
And you still haven't engaged him, coward.
EVERYTHING you have posted I have soundly debunked in the CT forum. But axvo is doing just fine and you running away as usual.
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Are you kidding me? I addressed every point you made in detail and every point Arpaio made in his "report" in detail.
Is it a "he said" that the birth certificate that Orly Taitz posted was issued by a country which did not yet exist? It's trivial to verify the fact that the "Republic of Kenya" did not exist at the time this birth certificate was supposedly issued.
Is it a "he said" that prominent researchers in digital imaging and document analysts have explained the "irregularities" that Arpaio – a man with no training or expertise in computer document imaging, document analysis or computer forensics – is concerned about? There are videos online that demonstrate how to replicate them on a document of your choice!
Is it a "he said" that Trump, who boasted that he had incontrovertible proof that Obama wasn't born here (which later became incontrovertible proof that he wasn't Constitutionally eligible to hold the office) didn't produce anything? It's trivial to see Trump's statements and determine for yourself whether his "please release your records Mr. President" plea didn't deliver.
Come on Joe... even if you can't refute my argument, at least have the honesty and decency to say "well, those are all good points. I can't refute them. It still don't believe that Obama was born in Hawaii, but I can't refute the points you made."
Not only can you not do that, you don't even have the desire and the intellectual honesty to examine the facts and the proof I presented. This is something you owe to yourself, and nobody else. And you can't even do that.
You are a joke – a blindly partisan, unthinking joke with an atrophied brain. You are everything that's wrong with the country. You are exactly like the idiots on the left – you accept what you're fed and regurgitate it. YOU just differ on the particulars.
Regardless of this, there are still to many unanswered questions. Multiple SS #'s, the admission in the book, sealed records (its still a factor) also, where did you read "Republic of Kenya"? I'm on a phone and I'm going through the hassle.
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Its not where he was born . . . its where he lives!
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The other question is being a natural born citizen even if he were born here (which I obviously doubt since he's a pathological liar).....his father was not born here.
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The other question is being a natural born citizen even if he were born here (which I obviously doubt since he's a pathological liar).....his father was not born here.
What do you think about Ted Cruz? He was born in Canada, his mother was American (like Obama) but his father was not an American (Cuban).
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What do you think about Ted Cruz? He was born in Canada, his mother was American (like Obama) but his father was not an American (Cuban).
Ted Cruz isnt president (but then again neither is Obama, technically).
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Ted Cruz isnt president (but then again neither is Obama, technically).
Would you question his eligibility if he was a presidential candidate (or even became President)?
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Would you question his eligibility if he was a presidential candidate (or even became President)?
Yes, of course. I seriously doubt if asked, that he wouldn't hide any transcrips, etc. And he sure as hl wouldnt be protected by the left media.
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IF there wa a smoking gun piece of evidence that proved obama lied about Birth Cert or college transcript, we would have ALL seen it.
MAYBE in 1968, the media could hide evidence from americans, as there was no internet and tightly controlled news coverage for 30 minutes each night on networks.
TODAY? I know it's easier to blame "the left media" for everything, but really, if the repubs could make a good case, we would have ALL heard it thanks to the web. The "left" media is losing more and more attention from people every day. How many 20 year olds sit down each night to watch NBC Nightly News? LMAO, very few. yet they're all on FB, where a smoking gun piece of evidence would e shared ten million times in one day.
Fewer and fewer people watch MSNBC and ABC news each day. More and mroe watch FOX and go to drudge. Obama is going UP in polls over the past 3 years. We can no longer blame "the left media" - their influence and reach is getting SMALLER each day. And it ain't 1968. If there's a smoking gun piece of evidence, the entire country will know about it in 48 hours.
But you know what? There's not.
(Note: I'm a birther, I think something is smelly, but I concede there is no smoking gun evidence. I believe some CTs, laugh at others, but I can admit when there isn't a smoking gun to prove a CT that I believe... so before "you lib", remember I think obama is outright lying about BC or college transcripts or both, probably before most on getbig who believe it, but I admit it cannot be proven, and repubs in congress won't touch it, so I think he'll get away with it, and we'll just learn the truth in 30 or 40 years).
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Regardless of this, there are still to many unanswered questions. Multiple SS #'s, the admission in the book, sealed records (its still a factor) also, where did you read "Republic of Kenya"? I'm on a phone and I'm going through the hassle.
The social security number thing is just allegations. Can you provide any proof that Obama has multiple social security numbers?
The jacket of the book is interesting, but I can see how it could be a mistake. It's unlikely that Obama himself wrote that and it's unlikely that he proof-read the book front-to-back. But it does raise the question.
The birth certificate that Taitz published purports to be issued in February of '64; let's assume that it is true, for the same of argument. The Republic of Kenya was not officially proclaimed until December of that year - almost ten months later. Before that, Kenya was known as "The Dominion of Kenya" and was a part of the British Empire. This stuff is in history books and is indisputable. So, you have a document which, if true, claims to be issued in the name of a political entity that did not exist and would not exist for another ten months.
Ahh, you might say: maybe they knew it was coming and preordered the forms. Sadly, that's not the case. After the Republic was proclaimed, registrars continued to use existing forms; some would scratch out "Dominion" and handwrite "Republic" over it. Others wouldn't even go that far. This continued well into 1965. Again, there are documents that prove this.
Some people try to make even sillier arguments. But the facts speak for themselves.
Tell me something. If Obama was really born in Kenya, how many people would have to be in on the conspiracy – arguably the biggest one in our time? What incentive would all these people have to keep the secret? A secret that could be trivially exposed by the release of a single credible document. Do you really believe nobody would leak such a document? Shit, Snowden leaked gigabytes of information from one of he most secure computing facilities in the world.
Additionally, if Obama was born in Kenya, why use him? I mean, was there really no other baby that could be used, and it had to be Barack Obama, necessitating a huge conspiracy and coverup over the decades, something that could be used to blow the whole thing sky-high very easily?
As for your contention that "natural born" means born in the U.S. and to parents who are both citizens, that's at best unclear. The Constitution doesn't define the meaning of the term and Courts haven't reached a conclusive result; indeed, there's a split.
People born of one U.S. parent are, automatically, citizens at birth under current law, and the law makes no provision for different levels or categories of citizenship. A citizen is a citizen is a citizen.
The natural born restriction in the text is interesting but, at best, vague. Neither you nor I will decide it's meaning. I suspect that it will end up before the Supreme Court sometime in the future, but not anytime soon. And I don't know what kind of decision they'll reach. The Supremes have moments of brilliance and moments of sheer stupidity.
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Ted Cruz isnt president (but then again neither is Obama, technically).
Who is President then? Please share with us if it "technically" isn't Obama.
This is exactly why you are the dumbest poster on this board. I see why you have such an oversized cranium now. So you can pack a lot more stupid into it.
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Regardless of this, there are still to many unanswered questions. Multiple SS #'s, the admission in the book, sealed records (its still a factor) also, where did you read "Republic of Kenya"? I'm on a phone and I'm going through the hassle.
Coach, the fact that you think someone named Barrack Obama was handpicked from Kenya, to 40 some odd years later becoming president is absurd.
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Coach, the fact that you think someone named Barrack Obama was handpicked from Kenya, to 40 some odd years later becoming president is absurd.
No its not
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No its not
Why the fuck would they get a baby from Kenya? what sense does that make, all I see are potential issues if that was the case. Listen, if you think a group of people pulled off perhaps the biggest conspiracy in history, required a majority vote etc.. they would have to be the intellectual elite. Yet you think they wouldn't have the sense to avoid these obvious pitfalls? like his name (Osama/Obama), skin color, place of origin etc
There is more then reasonable doubt mister lawyer.
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Why the fuck would they get a baby from Kenya? what sense does that make, all I see are potential issues if that was the case. Listen, if you think a group of people pulled off perhaps the biggest conspiracy in history, required a majority vote etc.. they would have to be the intellectual elite. Yet you think they wouldn't have the sense to avoid these obvious pitfalls? like his name (Osama/Obama), skin color, place of origin etc
There is more then reasonable doubt mister lawyer.
bbbooommmmmmm
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Birthers = stupidest people on the planet.
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bbbooommmmmmm
Oh nevermind, a Russian physicist would have the inside scoop as most of the conspiracy theories began at the ol particle collider. Between discovering the higgs-boson and improving quantum teleportation he sides as a undercover agent involved in a twenty year plot to make a black Kenyan baby the president of the united states. It would explain why Putin hates him, good find. The puzzle is coming together, maybe Obama is this dark matter they keep going on about?
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Regardless of this, there are still to many unanswered questions. Multiple SS #'s, the admission in the book, sealed records (its still a factor) also, where did you read "Republic of Kenya"? I'm on a phone and I'm going through the hassle.
Classic CTer. Can't refute the debunk of their prime arguments, so they jump to something else.
Very cowardly.
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http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/
Researchers have discovered that Obama’s autobiographical books are little more than PR stunts, as they have little to do with the actual events of his life. The fact is we know less about President Obama than perhaps any other president in American history and much of this is due to actual efforts to hide his record. This should concern all Americans.
A nation-wide network of researchers has sprung up to attempt to fill in the blanks, but at every opportunity Obama’s high-priced lawyers have built walls around various records or simply made them disappear. It is estimated that Obama’s legal team has now spent well over $1.4 million dollars blocking access to documents every American should have access to. The question is why would he spend so much money to do this?
The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.
What is he hiding? Well, for starters, some of these records will shed light on his citizenship and birth.
For example, Obama’s application to Punahou School – now mysteriously missing – would likely contain a birth certificate. And, obama 2 scott and barry 3rd grade 1969 punahou school in hawaii The Mystery of Barack Obama Continuesaccording to attorney Gary Kreep, “his Occidental College records are important as they may show he attended there as a foreign exchange student.” Indeed, Obama used his Indonesian name “Barry Soetoro” while attending Occidental. Kreep has filed lawsuits challenging Obama’s eligibility to be president and as part of his lawsuit he requested Obama’s records from Occidental. However, Obama’s lawyers quickly moved to stop Occidental from honoring this request.
Furthermore, now that at least three document authentication experts have declared the scanned “Certificate of Live Birth” Obama’s campaign team gave to a pro-Obama website to be an obvious phony; we know that he is hiding something here as well.
Over 49 separate law suits have been filed on the eligibility/birth certificate issue alone, with several of the suits making it all the way the United States Supreme Court, only to be denied a full hearing.
obama 3 saudi prince al walid bin talah The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues
Pictured: Saudi Prince Al-Walid bin Talah
What’s more, there are questions about how he paid for his Harvard Law School education since, despite a claim by Michele Obama, no one has produced any evidence that he received student loans. The Obamas will not release any student loan details despite repeated requests from the Chicago Tribune. However, it appears that his Harvard education may have been paid for by a foreign source. Khalid Al-Mansour, an advisor to Saudi prince Al-Walid bin Talah, told Manhattan Borough president, Percy Sutton, that he was raising money for Obama’s Harvard tuition. Incidentally, Prince Tala is the largest donor to CAIR, a Muslim group declared by the U.S. Government in 2007 as an unindicted co-conspirator in a terrorist financing trial. At least three of CAIR’s leaders have been indicted for terrorist activities. Al-Mansour’s admission opens up speculation as to whether Muslim interests have assisted Obama’s career in the hope he would eventually be in a position someday to promote their interests.
More recently, it was discovered that Obama’s Selective Service card may have been doctored. Federal law requires all American males to register for the Selective Service (the draft) in case a major war broke out. Blogger Debbie Schlussel has discovered solid evidence that Obama’s Selective Service registration form was submitted not when he was younger as required, but rather in 2008 and then altered to look older. Indeed, the forgers forgot to alter the “Document Location Number” which shows that it is clearly a 2008 form. This is fraud and it’s a felony and Schlussel’s allegations are backed up by Stephen Coffman, a former high-ranking Federal agent. Moreover, the document shows a September 4th, 1980 date and the location of the transaction as Hawaii, but at that time Obama was thousands of miles away attending Occidental College in Los Angeles.
The real reason why Obama probably did not submit this form as a teenager is that he assumed his Kenyan or Indonesian citizenship exempted him from this requirement. But clearly, as he grew older and entered politics, he saw that any documents revealing a foreign birth – Selective Service registration, birth certificate, school applications, etc – would be problematic if he ran for the presidency. Thus, it is not a coincidence that every document which contains information about his birth or citizenship is either missing, sealed, or has been altered.
Indeed, everywhere one looks into Obama’s background, we find sealed records, scrubbed websites, altered documents, deception and unanswered questions. Can anyone imagine for a second if John McCain or George Bush had blocked access to his school, medical, and birth records? It would have been headlines in their case, but as with everything else concerning Obama, the media has given him a pass on this.
Of all these marvels, the latest mystery and probably most perplexing is that of Obama’s social security number. It appears that Obama has multiple identities in term of possessing numerous social security numbers. Orly Taitz, an attorney who has filed numerous suits against Obama regarding his eligibility to serve as president, appears to have been the first to discover this. In her suit, representing a number of military officers who are refusing to serve under an ineligible commander in chief, she hired private investigator Neil Sankey to conduct research on Obama’s prior addresses and Social Society numbers. Using Intelius, Lexis Nexis, Choice Point and other public records, Sankey found around 25 Social Security numbers connected with Obama’s name.
However, it may not be as many as 25, since Sankey also searched using closely related names such as: “Barak Obama,” “Batock Obama,” “Barok Obama,” and “Barrack Obama.” There may very well be some Kenyans living in America with the same last name and a similar first name. In any case, I will exclude these records for the purpose of this research and focus only on names spelled exactly like his name. Moreover, we can verify many of the Social Security numbers as valid since they’re connected to addresses at which we know Obama resided. Needless to say, there are also a slew of address and social security numbers connected to addresses in states that Obama has no known connection to.
In Obama’s home state, Illinois, Sankey tracked down 16 different addresses for a Barack Obama or a Barack H. Obama, of which all are addresses he was known to have lived at. Two Social Security numbers appear for these addresses, one beginning with 042 and one starting 364.
In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, there are six addresses listed for him, all within easy driving distance of the college. However, there are three Social Security numbers connected to these addresses, 537 and two others, each beginning with 999.
There are no addresses listed in New York where he attended Columbia University, but there is one listed for him in nearby Jackson, NJ, with a Social Security number beginning with 485.
obama 4 713 hart senate office building The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues
713 Hart Senate Office Building
In Massachusetts – where Obama attended Harvard Law School – we find three addresses, all using the 042 Social Security number. After Obama was elected to the United States Senate in 2005, he moved into an apartment at 300 Massachusetts Ave NW; the Social Security number attached to that address is the 042 one. Yet, three years later, Obama used a different Social Security number for an address listed as: 713 Hart Senate Office Building. This was the address of his United States Senate office. This Social Security number began with 282 and was verified by the government in 2008.
This mystery grows even stranger as other addresses and Social Security numbers for Barack Obama appear in a dozen other states not known to be connected to him. Again, I am excluding those records names not spelled exactly like his name.
Tennessee, one address with a Social Security number beginning with 427
Colorado, one address, with a Social Security number beginning with 456.
Utah, two addresses, with two Social Security numbers beginning with 901 and 799.
Missouri has one address and one Social Security number beginning with 999.
Florida has two addresses listed for his him, three if you count one listed as “Barry Obama.” One is connected to a Social Security number beginning with 762.
In Georgia there are three addresses listed for him, all with different Social Security numbers: 579, 420, and 423.
In Texas there are four different addresses listed for him, one is connected to Social Security number 675.
There are two addresses listed for Barack Obama in Oregon and one address listed for him in the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, South Carolina, and Pennsylvania.
All told, there are 49 addresses and 16 different Social Security numbers listed for a person whose name is spelled “Barack Obama.” In some cases, the middle initial “H” is listed. If you were to expand the search to include closely related names such as: “Barac,” “Barak,” and “Barrack” Obama, you would find more than a dozen additional addresses and Social Security numbers.
Finally, the one Social Security number Obama most frequently used, the one beginning with 042, is a number issued in Connecticut sometime during 1976-1977, yet there is no record of Obama ever living or working in Connecticut. Indeed, during this time period Obama would have been 15-16 years old and living in Hawaii at the time.
obama 5 ann stanley and madelyn dunham The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues
Ann, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham
Nevertheless, all this mystery surrounding Obama appears to be a generational thing. Researchers have discovered nearly a dozen aliases, at least two different Social Security numbers, and upwards of over 99 separate addresses for Ann Dunham, his mother. We do know she worked for the ultra liberal Ford Foundation but we also know she may have earned some income from pornographic poses, as evidenced by photos recently discovered by some researchers—how embarrassing. The only thing researchers are able to find out about Obama’s mother is the fact she made porn. I’m sure that’s a first for presidential mothers.
But we also know that Obama’s mother and grandparents associated with Communist Party leaders such as Frank Marshall Davis, a man who, according to Obama’s book, Dreams from my Father, was his main mentor during much of his Hawaiian boyhood (although Obama tried to disguise his identity in his book). During the Cold War, Davis was named by congressional investigators as a key member of a secretive pro-Soviet networked that existed in Hawaii at that time.
obama 6 communist party leader frank marshall davis The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues
Communist Party leader, Frank Marshall Davis
The lack of documents regarding Obama also extends to his mother and to his grandparents. Indeed, researchers have been unable to find marriage licenses for his mother’s two marriages, assuming she was ever legally married. Ditto goes for the marriage license for Ann’s parents. They cannot find birth certificates for her, her parents, or for even for her grandparents. Even more so, despite Obama’s boast of his grandfather’s military service, there’s no record of that either. For reasons no one knows, much of Obama’s life, his mother’s life and his grandparent’s life has been erased from the records as if they never existed.
But why would someone obtain so many Social Security numbers? According to investigators, those who create additional Social Society numbers are typically engaged in criminal activities such as Social Security fraud, tax fraud, real estate fraud, campaign
obama 7 barrack obama and his granmother madeline dunham The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues
Barrack Obama and his Grandmother, Madelyn Dunham.
“Madeline Dunham was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court probate department and had access to the Social Security numbers of deceased people.
contributions fraud, voter fraud and so on. While the private investigator who compiled this list says multiple social security numbers does not automatically prove there’s criminal activity involved, he states that “having said that, I have personally experienced many, many cases where such information has led to subsequent exposure of fraud, deception, money laundering and other crimes.“What is interesting to note is that Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court probate department and had access to the Social Security numbers of deceased people.
It is clear that more research needs to be done on this issue. The Western Center for Journalism
( http://www.westernjournalism.com) is inviting readers to join the search for the truth. If you have any information about any of the addresses listed, they would love to hear from you. To find a complete list of all the addresses and Social Security numbers listed in the public record for Obama and family, please go to the Western Center for Journalism.
Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/#h3iPjdDk83LwJbKd.99
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Wow look a that Coach cut and pasting instead of directly addressing axvo arguments.
Very cowardly.
Yeah lets just into a cut and paste war as way to prove our points shall we? That way we don't have to actually use our brains.
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Ozmo, again. You, Lurker, Strawman, Necrosis, etc have come up with nothing but insults. Axvo is very very good at debate and makes a very good case. You guys, again haven't came up with anything productive to add to this. Whether this is true or not (again, where there's smoke there's fire especially in this case) Obama is VERY protected and I put nothing past him or the minions protecting him. Someone who is protected that much has A LOT to hide. This is what you...the left do. When you cannot debate an issue, policy, etc you demonize.....that being said all you clowns do is demonize and blame.
I read a headline this morning on Drudge that the left are still blaming Bush...lol.
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Wow look a that Coach cut and pasting instead of directly addressing axvo arguments.
Very cowardly.
Ozmo, you're acting like a child. Grow a nut that way you'll at least have one.
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Ozmo, you're acting like a child. Grow a nut that way you'll at least have one.
You have be heralded as one of the dumbest people here and you are proving it.
Why can't you directly address axvo points? \
Very cowardly
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Wow look a that Coach cut and pasting instead of directly addressing axvo arguments.
Very cowardly.
Yeah lets just into a cut and paste war as way to prove our points shall we? That way we don't have to actually use our brains.
Anything can be refuted. You keep knee padding for Obama, you still can't come up with a reason as to why you even voted for him especially for a second term...but hell, we warned you and once again I was right.
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You have be heralded as one of the dumbest people here and you are proving it.
Why can't you directly address axvo points? \
Very cowardly
Thanks for proving my point. De-mod yourself.
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Ozmo, again. You, Lurker, Strawman, Necrosis, etc have come up with nothing but insults. Axvo is very very good at debate and makes a very good case. You guys, again haven't came up with anything productive to add to this. Whether this is true or not (again, where there's smoke there's fire especially in this case) Obama is VERY protected and I put nothing past him or the minions protecting him. Someone who is protected that much has A LOT to hide. This is what you...the left do. When you cannot debate an issue, policy, etc you demonize.....that being said all you clowns do is demonize and blame.
I read a headline this morning on Drudge that the left are still blaming Bush...lol.
Came up with plenty for a very long time. Something cowardly people can't hang with.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=322866.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=322866.0)
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Thanks for proving my point. De-mod yourself.
You mean me point of YOU not being able to construct a real argument without ONLY cutting and pasting and then your point of saying I can't provide an argument?
another stupid try by you:
Came up with plenty for a very long time. Something cowardly people can't hang with.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=322866.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=322866.0)
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Anything can be refuted. You keep knee padding for Obama, you still can't come up with a reason as to why you even voted for him especially for a second term...but hell, we warned you and once again I was right.
awwww, look at you, going to the "anything is possible" tactic followed by the "deflect to another subject" tactic.
FAIL
lol
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Why can't you directly address axvo points Coach?
Are you afraid?
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Ozmo, you're acting like a child. Grow a nut that way you'll at least have one.
We don't need to act like adults, you are posting childish bullshit that has been debunked. You are the one acting childish, you won't address any points, cannot understand what a rebuttal is and think truth is based on the observer.
Grow up and think for yourself. No one is drinking the cool-aid.
Coach, it's obvious the majority of people on this board consider you stupid, your three wives think it, maybe you are too stupid to know you are stupid, but take a hint. No grown man continues arguing points that are rebutted, unless, he has an agenda and castrates his intellect.
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We don't need to act like adults, you are posting childish bullshit that has been debunked. You are the one acting childish, you won't address any points, cannot understand what a rebuttal is and think truth is based on the observer.
Grow up and think for yourself. No one is drinking the cool-aid.
Coach, it's obvious the majority of people on this board consider you stupid, your three wives think it, maybe you are too stupid to know you are stupid, but take a hint. No grown man continues arguing points that are rebutted, unless, he has an agenda and castrates his intellect.
Why can't you directly address axvo points Coach?
Are you afraid?
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Why can't you directly address axvo points Coach?
Are you afraid?
You talking that jive wit me? you want beef son?
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You talking that jive wit me? you want beef son?
Why can't you directly address axvo points Coach? :D
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Which one of these has Coach used in his recent Brither outcry?
I say:
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and 5
:D
http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2010/03/top-five-birther-debate-tactics.html (http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2010/03/top-five-birther-debate-tactics.html)
Top Five Birther Debate Tactics
As an aid to my fellow Americans who might find themselves confronted with a Birther and his arguments, I thought to prepare a top ten list of rhetorical devices that Birthers tend to use when confronted with counter-arguments and evidence that contradicts their existing beliefs. Learning to recognize these methods and logical fallacies is the first step in promoting useful dialogue and avoiding unnecessary conflict. And as might be appropriate for April Fools Day, it should serve as a handy list of the most common ways that Birthers try to fool others everyday.
However, as I attempted to assemble a list, I was amused to find that I could not think of ten different Birther devices. Rather, the typical Birther responses to critical analysis of their position can be broken down into as few as five categories.
Note, this is a breakdown of Birther responses to questions or criticism, not initial Birther arguments. Those can be summed up largely as Argument from Ignorance (something is true because we don't know it isn't true) and Misrepresenting Evidence (take your pick). These items below are the ways that Birthers respond to challenges to their statements, positions, or worldview.
5. Ad Hominem Attacks
Here, the Birther responds to substantive criticism not by defending his position, but by levying a personal attack upon the questioner, or upon a third party (such as Obama, or FactCheck, or a judge). The subject itself is evaded entirely, and the Birther substitutes an on-topic response with mocking of the questioner, smearing of a third party, or making negative insinuations about whoever might disagree with them.
EXAMPLE: Marvin stated that "the Senate held hearings regarding McCain’s natural born citizenship." I responded to Marvin showing that no such hearings ever took place, and that the only testimony was a single question during a Judiciary Committee briefing. Marvin's entire response was "Your hatred of those questioning your pres_ _ent is coloring your mind. Maybe the kneepads are too tight?" As you see, rather than defend his previous statement, Marvin completely ignored my factual evidence and chose to redirect the subject of the conversation to be about me, making accusations about my emotional state, my mental acuity, and my partisan stance.
4. Special Pleading / Conspiracy Pleading
Special pleading is a logical fallacy where one deflects criticism by concocting an external rationale as to why the usual rules of evidence should not apply to the argument they're making. With Birthers, this most often takes the form of suggesting or implying the existence of a covert conspiracy that has interfered with the available evidence. When confronted with evidence that contradicts Birther beliefs, the Birther alleges that the conspiracy created that evidence to fool the public. When confronted with the lack of evidence supporting Birther beliefs, the Birther alleges that the conspiracy has destroyed or hidden all the secret evidence that would support his beliefs.
EXAMPLE: Birth announcements of Obama's birth were found in two Hawaii newspapers. Solid evidence, no? But Ron responded to this evidence by proposing an elaborate scheme whereby the library's microfiche was altered or forged. The end result is that the birth announcements are discounted because Ron thinks the conspirators created them.
3. Moving the Goalposts
Sometimes new evidence presents itself that meets a Birther's previously-stated evidentiary demand. When confronted with this new evidence, such as newspaper birth announcements or official health official statements, the Birther response is to claim that that new evidence, despite being what they had previously demanded, is now insufficient to satisfy them. So it's no longer enough that the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health issued a statement, they want the Hawaiian Governor to issue a statement too. This turns any attempt to satisfy the Birther's curiosity into a neverending marathon, as the Birther's standard of proof continues to grow higher and higher.
EXAMPLE: "Steven" complained that when Obama took the Oath of Office a second time, the "redo was held a few days later, no witness, no media, behind closed doors." I pointed out that not only was this incorrect in several respects, but CBS Radio released an audio recording of the second oath. "Steven" responded not by conceding his mistake, but only by demanding video footage in addition to the available audio and photographic record.
2. Shifting the Burden / Refusing to Prove Factual Claims
Given the frequency with which Birthers fall back on unsourced claims, a ready response is often to simply ask the Birther to produce a source for his factual claim. On the occasions that the Birther is willing to actually stay on topic (as opposed to the responses exemplified by Tactics 1, 4, or 5), the most common reaction is to refuse to provide any evidence for the factual claim they just made, and to instead tell the skeptic to go look for it himself. This not only allows the Birther to create work for the skeptic but not himself, but it also allows the Birther to claim that any failure to find evidence supporting his factual assertion is the fault of the skeptic questioning the alleged fact, rather than the fault of the Birther who made the questionable assertion.
EXAMPLE: Leonard wrote of Obama that there are "a few witnesses claiming he was born in Kenya." I asked him who. He cited a supposed encounter between Jerome Corsi and a Kenyan health official. Having never heard of such an encounter, I asked Leonard where Corsi reported this event. Leonard's response was "Do your own searches." He never produced any evidence to support his initial claim of witnesses or his specific claim of a Corsi conversation. Instead, he acted like it was my job to find evidence of his claims.
1. Non-Sequiturs / Changing the Subject
My personal favorite of all Birther debating tactics, because they utilize it so incredibly often. If a Birther finds himself pinned down on a position or statement that he simply cannot defend, he will frequently avoid conceding by attempting to shift the topic of discussion to another Birther topic. And often, it will be a topic that is less factually-specific and more speculative or interpretative, and thus less susceptible to absolute proof of falsehood.
Point out that there never was a Pakistani travel ban, and the Birther starts talking about adoption. Illustrate that it was TechDude who made up the claim about Maya's COLB, and suddenly the Birther wants to talk about Vattel. By shifting the focus onto an unrelated issue, the Birther attempts to take the attention off the demonstratably false factual situation, hoping that the new issue will be a distraction.
EXAMPLE: Steve was confronted with the allegation that he is not the credentialed expert that he has posed as and as other Birthers have treated him. Does Steve have forensic experience or not? Steve could have answered the question, or at least address it, but he didn't. Instead, he penned a lengthy response where he completely ignored the questions about his document experience, and opts to talk about about everything from Perkins Coie to citizen grand juries to criminal conspiracies to Obama's poll numbers to Bill Richardson quotes to the issue of legal standing. Having been caught in a statement he cannnot defend, Steve started throwing out multiple other topics in the hopes of diverting attention away from his original, unsupportable position.
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So if you find yourself tangling with a Birther, and you get one of the above responses, consider replying with a simple number citation and a link to this post. Whatever you do, don't allow yourself to get distracted by tricks like these.
Fair warning, though: don't be surprised if failing to fall for tricks #1-4 results in #5 being levied at you soon thereafter.
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Why can't you directly address axvo points Coach? :D
Yes, this was the key part of the sentence I seemed to have missed.
But beef is cooking if you be bout it.
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I genuinely thought that Coach was simply unaware of the facts. That if I could, somehow, make them aware of them and point out the glaring inconsistencies, he would see the light.
I see one that I was very wrong. It's not that he is unaware of the facts. It's that he wants to not not be aware. To the point that even after I explain something, he ignores it completely and moves on to repeat the same thing.
Honestly, I am stunned.
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I genuinely thought that Coach was simply unaware of the facts. That if I could, somehow, make them aware of them and point out the glaring inconsistencies, he would see the light.
I see one that I was very wrong. It's not that he is unaware of the facts. It's that he wants to not not be aware. To the point that even after I explain something, he ignores it completely and moves on to repeat the same thing.
Honestly, I am stunned.
I've said this many times over the years on this board, not only about JoeLoco but also Bum and a few others
It's WILLFUL IGNORANCE
These usually goes hand in hand with a fundamentalist outlook on life
There is no way to maintain that without willfully ignoring facts that blatantly contradict your beliefs
Without this defense mechanism they would go crazy or.....lose the faith
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Anything can be refuted. You keep knee padding for Obama, you still can't come up with a reason as to why you even voted for him especially for a second term...but hell, we warned you and once again I was right.
The stupidest comment of the year, spoken by someone who thinks facts are open to opinion.
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Came up with plenty for a very long time. Something cowardly people can't hang with.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=322866.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=322866.0)
I didn't know this existed. I'm not going through all 78 pages but I did go through the last 4-5. What I saw was posters agreeing with me and soul crusher destroying you along with a few others.
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I didn't know this existed. I'm not going through all 78 pages but I did go through the last 4-5. What I saw was posters agreeing with me and soul crusher destroying you along with a few others.
Dude stop... just stop. Delete this account and try again. Fucking papers in HA had his birth announcement, that ends the discussion. It is absurd to think of the amount of work that would have to go into this. Also, as AVXO pointed out the spurious correlations and unbelievably circumstances which stretch credulity.
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Dude stop... just stop. Delete this account and try again. Fucking papers in HA had his birth announcement, that ends the discussion. It is absurd to think of the amount of work that would have to go into this. Also, as AVXO pointed out the spurious correlations and unbelievably circumstances which stretch credulity.
If I recall, you don't even live in this country. "natural born citizen" means nothing to you, does it?
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I didn't know this existed. I'm not going through all 78 pages but I did go through the last 4-5. What I saw was posters agreeing with me and soul crusher destroying you along with a few others.
ROFLMAO
No, what you saw a cut and paste orgy after I stopped debating it because it was essentially beat down. Like i said only cut and pasting doesn't impress me, not that you are any closer to constructing any kind of legit argument without falling back on typical Birther/CTer tactics.
Read the whole thing.
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The stupidest comment of the year, spoken by someone who thinks facts are open to opinion.
lol bump
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face facts, (not that you ever do)
BIRTHERS are fucking idiots and ANYONE WITH ANY INTELLIGENCE KNOWS IT.
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I'm a glutton for punishment... let's debunk selected bits and pieces from the wall of text Coach copy-pasted, shall we?
Researchers have discovered that Obama’s autobiographical books are little more than PR stunts, as they have little to do with the actual events of his life. The fact is we know less about President Obama than perhaps any other president in American history and much of this is due to actual efforts to hide his record. This should concern all Americans.
Really? It took researches to determine that a politician's "autobiography" is fluffed up to make it more compelling, cast the politician in a better light and make him a more marketable commodity?
What is an autobiography if not shameless self-promotion as marketing?
A nation-wide network of researchers has sprung up to attempt to fill in the blanks, but at every opportunity Obama’s high-priced lawyers have built walls around various records or simply made them disappear. It is estimated that Obama’s legal team has now spent well over $1.4 million dollars blocking access to documents every American should have access to. The question is why would he spend so much money to do this?
Ooh. A nationwide network! A network of people like Orly Taitz and Jerome Corsi and the infamous investigators that Donald Trump paid for, who produced shocking evidence that never saw the light of day.
The president who campaigned for a more “open government” and “full disclosure” will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records—he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii.
I don't see why people who advocate open government should have to release their personal information. I advocate for a more open and transparent government and it's none of your business what I studied, how I did, what medications I take, what medical procedures I had done or whether I have a proclivity to watch midget porn.
What is he hiding? Well, for starters, some of these records will shed light on his citizenship and birth.
His citizenship is firmly established. The document he produced, issued by the State of Hawaii, is accepted by the Department of State as conclusive proof of citizenship.
His birth in the United States is, also, firmly established. Original newspaper copies containing a birth announcement exist. The microfiche of the original document exists.
For example, Obama’s application to Punahou School – now mysteriously missing – would likely contain a birth certificate.
Why would it? I never had to produce a birth certificate to attend any school and neither did my parents on my behalf.
And, obama 2 scott and barry 3rd grade 1969 punahou school in hawaii The Mystery of Barack Obama Continuesaccording to attorney Gary Kreep, “his Occidental College records are important as they may show he attended there as a foreign exchange student.” Indeed, Obama used his Indonesian name “Barry Soetoro” while attending Occidental. Kreep has filed lawsuits challenging Obama’s eligibility to be president and as part of his lawsuit he requested Obama’s records from Occidental. However, Obama’s lawyers quickly moved to stop Occidental from honoring this request.
Occidental could not honor this request under FERPA and a number of other federal laws. It's stilly to assert that Obama's team stopped them. But even if they did, so what? He is entitled to some privacy. At any rate, a Court would have overruled any objections if credible evidence suggesting that this was anything other than a continued witch-hunt.
Furthermore, now that at least three document authentication experts have declared the scanned “Certificate of Live Birth” Obama’s campaign team gave to a pro-Obama website to be an obvious phony; we know that he is hiding something here as well.
No we don't. Cut the bullshit!
First of all, for every "expert" (notice how they are never named) who says the document is a phony, many others have stood up, and publicly said that the document appears to be legit; this is in addition to the assurances by numerous State of Hawaii officials, many of which are Republicans! Are they all paid Obama shills?
Over 49 separate law suits have been filed on the eligibility/birth certificate issue alone, with several of the suits making it all the way the United States Supreme Court, only to be denied a full hearing.
Right, and? That Courts have repeatedly dismissed bogus lawsuits proves what exactly?
Coincidentally, many of those lawsuits are filed by Orly Taitz, the woman who was duped by an obvious fake document which she held out as the holy grail. She has been scolded by Federal Judges on more than one occasion for unethical behavior and at least once she was scolded for coming close to suborning perjury. This is all a matter of public record. Is this really the type of person you want to rely on?
What’s more, there are questions about how he paid for his Harvard Law School education since, despite a claim by Michele Obama, no one has produced any evidence that he received student loans.
I won't produce evidence that I had McDonalds for breakfast either. But let me assure you, my stomach doesn't doubt that I did.
The Obamas will not release any student loan details despite repeated requests from the Chicago Tribune.
Right, and?
However, it appears that his Harvard education may have been paid for by a foreign source. Khalid Al-Mansour, an advisor to Saudi prince Al-Walid bin Talah, told Manhattan Borough president, Percy Sutton, that he was raising money for Obama’s Harvard tuition.
What evidence has this lovable and charitable prince presented? I mean, surely you aren't taking him at his word, are you? After all, I have it on good authority that he's a terrorist. Check this out:
Incidentally, Prince Tala is the largest donor to CAIR, a Muslim group declared by the U.S. Government in 2007 as an unindicted co-conspirator in a terrorist financing trial. At least three of CAIR’s leaders have been indicted for terrorist activities.
More recently, it was discovered that Obama’s Selective Service card may have been doctored. Federal law requires all American males to register for the Selective Service (the draft) in case a major war broke out. Blogger Debbie Schlussel has discovered solid evidence that Obama’s Selective Service registration form was submitted not when he was younger as required, but rather in 2008 and then altered to look older. Indeed, the forgers forgot to alter the “Document Location Number” which shows that it is clearly a 2008 form. This is fraud and it’s a felony and Schlussel’s allegations are backed up by Stephen Coffman, a former high-ranking Federal agent. Moreover, the document shows a September 4th, 1980 date and the location of the transaction as Hawaii, but at that time Obama was thousands of miles away attending Occidental College in Los Angeles.
Boy, oh boy... Blogger Debbie, who moonlights as a document analysis expert, has found the smoking gun... The allegations in question have already been debunked, so I won't bother repeating that analysis here. Any objective reader can find it with a quick Google search. And yes, even from a phone, Coach!
Of course, we know that there's fraud because it's not possible that Obama was in Hawaii on September 4th, 1980. The epic journey of walking and swimming from Chicago to Hawaii would have lasted a long time, since as we all know planes didn't exist in 1980. Plus, we have it on good authority that he appeared on a piece of toast with Jesus in Miami two days earlier... So yeah, that that!
Also, just out of curiosity how does Blogger Debbie know where Obama was on September 4th, 1980? I don't remember where I was on September 4th, 2013 and that's just a bit over a month ago.
The real reason why Obama probably did not submit this form as a teenager is that he assumed his Kenyan or Indonesian citizenship exempted him from this requirement. But clearly, as he grew older and entered politics, he saw that any documents revealing a foreign birth – Selective Service registration, birth certificate, school applications, etc – would be problematic if he ran for the presidency. Thus, it is not a coincidence that every document which contains information about his birth or citizenship is either missing, sealed, or has been altered.
"The real reason why […] was probably […]"
What kind of bullshit writing is this? Do I even need to debunk this paragraph of conjectures and lies?
Indeed, everywhere one looks into Obama’s background, we find sealed records, scrubbed websites, altered documents, deception and unanswered questions. Can anyone imagine for a second if John McCain or George Bush had blocked access to his school, medical, and birth records? It would have been headlines in their case, but as with everything else concerning Obama, the media has given him a pass on this.
First of all, "scrubbed websites"? Really!? Have you heard of the Internet Wayback Machine? Of Google Cache? Of projects by various Universities to create "historical snapshots" of public websites?
I don't know what's wrong with your eyes, but I don't see deception everywhere I look about Obama. I see a charismatic politician (albeit one that advocates bad policies and with whom I disagree with) who was born in Hawaii and lived a life that was unlikely to lead to the Presidency, but which did.
Of all these marvels, the latest mystery and probably most perplexing is that of Obama’s social security number. It appears that Obama has multiple identities in term of possessing numerous social security numbers. Orly Taitz, an attorney who has filed numerous suits against Obama regarding his eligibility to serve as president, appears to have been the first to discover this. In her suit, representing a number of military officers who are refusing to serve under an ineligible commander in chief, she hired private investigator Neil Sankey to conduct research on Obama’s prior addresses and Social Society numbers. Using Intelius, Lexis Nexis, Choice Point and other public records, Sankey found around 25 Social Security numbers connected with Obama’s name.
Oh boy, not this bullshit again. Didn't we cover Orly Taitz before?
As to the social security numbers, let's pretend that it's true that they lost numerous social security numbers for someone named "Barack Obama" and variations of that name. This proves what exactly?
However, it may not be as many as 25, since Sankey also searched using closely related names such as: “Barak Obama,” “Batock Obama,” “Barok Obama,” and “Barrack Obama.” There may very well be some Kenyans living in America with the same last name and a similar first name. In any case, I will exclude these records for the purpose of this research and focus only on names spelled exactly like his name. Moreover, we can verify many of the Social Security numbers as valid since they’re connected to addresses at which we know Obama resided. Needless to say, there are also a slew of address and social security numbers connected to addresses in states that Obama has no known connection to.
Token critical evaluation of evidence inserted. Objectivity achieved. Level up. Get ready! FIGHT!
In Obama’s home state, Illinois, Sankey tracked down 16 different addresses for a Barack Obama or a Barack H. Obama, of which all are addresses he was known to have lived at. Two Social Security numbers appear for these addresses, one beginning with 042 and one starting 364.[/
In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, there are six addresses listed for him, all within easy driving distance of the college. However, there are three Social Security numbers connected to these addresses, 537 and two others, each beginning with 999.
There are no addresses listed in New York where he attended Columbia University, but there is one listed for him in nearby Jackson, NJ, with a Social Security number beginning with 485.
I'm amazed at how efficiently we keep records, from government all the way to landlords. Damn! Coincidentally, I am now also convinced that I must have lived the DC area, since an address there appears on my credit report. I have no memory of ever living there, and vigorously contested this with the credit bureaus, demanding that it be removed. I see now that I must be wrong and simply forgot.
In Massachusetts – where Obama attended Harvard Law School – we find three addresses, all using the 042 Social Security number. After Obama was elected to the United States Senate in 2005, he moved into an apartment at 300 Massachusetts Ave NW; the Social Security number attached to that address is the 042 one. Yet, three years later, Obama used a different Social Security number for an address listed as: 713 Hart Senate Office Building. This was the address of his United States Senate office. This Social Security number began with 282 and was verified by the government in 2008.
Yes... He used a fake social security number to get his office in the senate. That's the most likely explanation here! Nothing else could possibly explain this.
All told, there are 49 addresses and 16 different Social Security numbers listed for a person whose name is spelled “Barack Obama.” In some cases, the middle initial “H” is listed. If you were to expand the search to include closely related names such as: “Barac,” “Barak,” and “Barrack” Obama, you would find more than a dozen additional addresses and Social Security numbers.
God, it's like this guy doesn't even know how to spell his own name. Perhaps the teleprompter wasn't working?
Finally, the one Social Security number Obama most frequently used, the one beginning with 042, is a number issued in Connecticut sometime during 1976-1977, yet there is no record of Obama ever living or working in Connecticut. Indeed, during this time period Obama would have been 15-16 years old and living in Hawaii at the time.
Man, the evidence is piling up... If only there was a website that presented factual information with linked research to debunk all this. Wait! There is!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp)
Nevertheless, all this mystery surrounding Obama appears to be a generational thing. Researchers have discovered nearly a dozen aliases, at least two different Social Security numbers, and upwards of over 99 separate addresses for Ann Dunham, his mother. We do know she worked for the ultra liberal Ford Foundation but we also know she may have earned some income from pornographic poses, as evidenced by photos recently discovered by some researchers—how embarrassing. The only thing researchers are able to find out about Obama’s mother is the fact she made porn. I’m sure that’s a first for presidential mothers.
It was about time for a low blow, isn't it? Take that Barack! Your mommy (maybe) posed for naughty pics! Marybell Washington didn't. Barbara Bush didn't!
But we also know that Obama’s mother and grandparents associated with Communist Party leaders such as Frank Marshall Davis, a man who, according to Obama’s book, Dreams from my Father, was his main mentor during much of his Hawaiian boyhood (although Obama tried to disguise his identity in his book). During the Cold War, Davis was named by congressional investigators as a key member of a secretive pro-Soviet networked that existed in Hawaii at that time.
Hey, I thought we started this article out asserting that the autobiography was fictional! But it's ok, that was like... a thousand words ago and nobody remembers that by now. Right?
Also, when was this Davis guy named as a member and by which investigator for which committee? And was he ever actually proven to be anything in a court? Is your name McCarthy?
The lack of documents regarding Obama also extends to his mother and to his grandparents. Indeed, researchers have been unable to find marriage licenses for his mother’s two marriages, assuming she was ever legally married. Ditto goes for the marriage license for Ann’s parents. They cannot find birth certificates for her, her parents, or for even for her grandparents. Even more so, despite Obama’s boast of his grandfather’s military service, there’s no record of that either. For reasons no one knows, much of Obama’s life, his mother’s life and his grandparent’s life has been erased from the records as if they never existed.
Come on... that's just one blatant lie after another. Seriously.
But why would someone obtain so many Social Security numbers? According to investigators, those who create additional Social Society numbers are typically engaged in criminal activities such as Social Security fraud, tax fraud, real estate fraud, campaign
Sure. But we don't have any proof that Obama did acquire many social security numbers. Only conjecture based on flimsy evidence and proven falsehoods.
“Madeline Dunham was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court probate department and had access to the Social Security numbers of deceased people.
contributions fraud, voter fraud and so on. While the private investigator who compiled this list says multiple social security numbers does not automatically prove there’s criminal activity involved, he states that “having said that, I have personally experienced many, many cases where such information has led to subsequent exposure of fraud, deception, money laundering and other crimes.“What is interesting to note is that Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court probate department and had access to the Social Security numbers of deceased people.
As did thousands of others, in a book conveniently published by the social security administration on a regular basis and made available for purchase.
It is clear that more research needs to be done on this issue. The Western Center for Journalism
( http://www.westernjournalism.com) is inviting readers to join the search for the truth. If you have any information about any of the addresses listed, they would love to hear from you. To find a complete list of all the addresses and Social Security numbers listed in the public record for Obama and family, please go to the Western Center for Journalism.
Nonsense. There's no need for more research. It's all proven right here, in this piece by the Western Center for Journalism, an outfit so respected and so committed to the principles of journalism that it's not above making commentary like "Obama's mom took naughty pictures maybe. Nyah Nyah Nyah!" before sticking its tongue out and going "pfffffffttththththth!"
(Pardon the typos, this was typed on my iPhone)
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you did all that on your phone?
wow lol
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Lol, avxo that was brutal.. and from a phone no less...
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With all of the responding axvi is doing on my posts ONLY with no real proof, seems this man is in need of a job. Tell you what axvo, you seem to want to dispute anything i put forth no matter what. Those links have the names, addresses and phone #'s of those attorneys and writers. Put an artical together and submit it with your research. MOST (not all) of what you have read from your resources hqve bias leans. You seems to want to defend Obama on this no matter what. Lets see how your reputation holds up to the others that have exposed Obama. Fair?
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With all of the responding axvi is doing on my posts ONLY with no real proof, seems this man is in need of a job. Tell you what axvo, you seem to want to dispute anything i put forth no matter what. Those links have the names, addresses and phone #'s of those attorneys and writers. Put an artical together and submit it with your research. MOST (not all) of what you have read from your resources hqve bias leans. You seems to want to defend Obama on this no matter what. Lets see how your reputation holds up to the others that have exposed Obama. Fair?
You are fucking retarded, shut the fuck up. Someone ban this incredible fucking moron, dude can't respond and claims he is being picked on by mean ol avxo. Then he suggest AVXO has no job (ad hominem) and then instructs him to formulate research? (whatever the fuck that means in this context) to rebut already rebutted "research".
You keep moving the goal posts there Coach, you are also showing signs of paranoia (everyone is a lib, there's a conspiracy, Donald trump is heterosexual).
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You are fucking retarded, shut the fuck up. Someone ban this incredible fucking moron, dude can't respond and claims he is being picked on by mean ol avxo. Then he suggest AVXO has no job (ad hominem) and then instructs him to formulate research? (whatever the fuck that means in this context) to rebut already rebutted "research".
You keep moving the goal posts there Coach, you are also showing signs of paranoia (everyone is a lib, there's a conspiracy, Donald trump is heterosexual).
Hey, fuck you Necrosis. I don't have the time like you and axvo to sit here and post all day. I respond with links, articles and my own response. You (who isn't even a citizen of this country) , straw, Ozmo, lurker haven't come up with NEARLY the dialog axvo has. I posted up some of the same information that soul crusher has. People like you are so hell bent on purposely destroying this country and supporting Obama who has virtually destroyed this country all but single handed and has done NOTHING to improve it.
No, axvo is a very smart person, has done his homework but if you're going defend something, provide something to back your source. I have provided evidence, you choose to demonize because most of these so called facts can't be defended.
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Hey, fuck you Necrosis. I don't have the time like you and axvo to sit here and post all day. I respond with links, articles and my own response. You (who isn't even a citizen of this country) , straw, Ozmo, lurker haven't come up with NEARLY the dialog axvo has. I posted up some of the same information that soul crusher has. People like you are so hell bent on purposely destroying this country and supporting Obama who has virtually destroyed this country all but single handed and has done NOTHING to improve it.
No, axvo is a very smart person, has done his homework but if you're going defend something, provide something to back your source. I have provided evidence, you choose to demonize because most of these so called facts can't be defended.
Alright Joe
Hey, fuck you Necrosis. I don't have the time like you and axvo to sit here and post all day. I respond with links, articles and my own response. You (who isn't even a citizen of this country) , straw, Ozmo, lurker haven't come up with NEARLY the dialog axvo has. I posted up some of the same information that soul crusher has.
Oh really? you don't have the time, you post more the me and avxo combined, in fact we post roughly 4-5 times per day, you are approaching 14 all by your lonesome, so that notion is dispelled. So, with that said your excuse for not producing as much "dialog" as avxo is in fact, a farce, your content is just so shitty it would take you till the new year to construct a post with as much reason, thus you assume it something fantastical. He did it from his phone in probably five minutes, I am sure during one of your 14 posts per day you can kindly respond like a grown man to someone who as you put it, has put effort in to engage you. However, like a typical dirtbag you run and make up some lame ad hominem excuse like we don't work and you are eternally busy.
Also, why would I have to come up with as much dialog? I think you are missing the point, number of words does not =win. Nor do I want to fill my brain with rebuttals to birther conspiracies. I have done that with things like expelled and kent hovind bullshit, and in the end it counts for nothing because you are too stupid to comprehend another person's position.
As for your last point, good for him, he is smart, the hot load and baby maker made a smart baby, good point. You have provided evidence that avxo debunked, thus, I don't have to rebut a second time. The quantity of rebuttals is meaningless, one good ass smacking is all you need and your man crush AVXO paddled you. Perhaps you wanted that? with all your flattering and flirting you are doing, perhaps you wanted a spanking? you gay joe? is that why you keep getting divorced?
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With all of the responding axvi is doing on my posts ONLY with no real proof, seems this man is in need of a job. Tell you what axvo, you seem to want to dispute anything i put forth no matter what. Those links have the names, addresses and phone #'s of those attorneys and writers. Put an artical together and submit it with your research. MOST (not all) of what you have read from your resources hqve bias leans. You seems to want to defend Obama on this no matter what. Lets see how your reputation holds up to the others that have exposed Obama. Fair?
Coward.
Address avxo's points or continue to be a coward
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No, axvo is a very smart person, has done his homework but if you're going defend something, provide something to back your source. I have provided evidence, you choose to demonize because most of these so called facts can't be defended.
I'm sorry... are you admitting that the "evidence" you provided (or, the "so called facts" as you put it) can't be defended? Or am I reading that wrong?
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Again - its not where he was born that matters so much as where he currently resides . . .
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Again - its not where he was born that matters so much as where he currently resides . . .
It was important enough for you to have a 74 page thread over that issue. But at least you had the integrity to stand up and debate it.
This coward claims its "proven" and whines like a little bitch because I keep moving his threads and the best counter point he has is: anything can happen.
Sorry this guy deserves nothing but ridicule.
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HAHAHA Coach gets brutally ass raped AGAIN on this birther shit and still keeps shoveling the shit in his own face.
And how can you claim people respond with INSULTS when they are FACTS. You are the stupidest person on this board. Bar none.
Can a man be so stupid that he doesn't even know he is stupid? Well in your case you are a special kind of stupid.