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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: TheEgoCrusher on April 10, 2007, 07:21:45 PM
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I was looking around the gym tonight at some of the water-laden, zit-ridden morons with no legs and thought to myself, "Why in the hell are these guys taking gear? For what?"
It seems to me that a vast majority of people who use (I'd say 95%) take gear before they even come close to reaching their genetic potential. Embracing apathy, they turn to the needle instead of seeing what they are made of through dedication and work-ethic. I just don't understand people like this. They completely baffle me.
For those of you who use but don't compete, WHY do you do it? To have the biggest arms at the local nightclub on Saturday night? So you can look like a pink flamingo holding a ton of water when you hit the gym? What the hell is the point? You're not going to make a living off of bodybuilding/weightlifting. You're doing nothing but showing everyone you aren't man enough to sack up and obtain something (a physique) by simply using what God gave you at birth. Why do you do it? What made you turn to it?
I've simply never understood this. It's borderline insane behavior to me.
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The same could be said for folks that spend $50K trickin out their Honda Accords so they can race other gearheads on Saturday night. They'll never race professionally, but they spend their life savings trickin out a rollin shitbox for 20 seconds of racing with other grease monkeys.
To each their own, more power to em.
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The same could be said for folks that spend $50K trickin out their Honda Accords so they can race other gearheads on Saturday night. They'll never race professionally, but they spend their life savings trickin out a rollin shitbox for 20 seconds of racing with other grease monkeys.
To each their own, more power to em.
Good analogy...they are both morons.
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" Guys who don't compete yet take gear. WHY do you do it? "
Such a simple answer. My friend ... they do it because ... of ... Vanity.
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" Guys who don't compete yet take gear. WHY do you do it? "
Such a simple answer. My friend ... they do it because ... of ... Vanity.
Someone can take care of that by working hard as hell.
Does that bring it all back to flat out LAZINESS?
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Someone can take care of that by working hard as hell.
Does that bring it all back to flat out LAZINESS?
When I was younger I was very anti-steroid and the juicer friends I had would tell me, "look bro, you train your ass off, but after a year you'll add what 5-8lbs of muscle at best? I put on 25lbs in under 6 months, I eat fastfood and my bodyfat is 10-12%." Now, I've never used, and I've mellowed out as I've gotten older, but I still don't understand the mentality. If you desire to compete then juice until your insides liquify....fine by me. Although, if you're 22, stupid and spending the allowance your parents give you on gear so you can look good in a mall, best you rethink your priorities....then again, I don't know many 22 yr olds concerned with their priorities.
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you cant compare street racers to grease monkeys. Sure, there are plenty of kids who spend shit tons of money on their import shitboxes to look cool and go fast and sound loud...but you have to separate the people who do this by paying other people to fix up their shit....and the people who buy parts, or even fabricate their own parts and fix the shit up themselves.
its a hobby i guess for some folks. I'm ASE master certified, GM certified and went back to school for a 2 year degree for automotive technology even though i work in the computer field...i did that stuff just as a hobby. I can get a 10 second car for $15,000 but i can build one for about $6000. Even if i never race professionally, its all worth it to smoke some chump from a red light revving his fuckin honda civic....with an 84 dodge diplomat...just in the same way it is rewarding for some juicehead to leave the bar with 2 bar sluts while the "natural" guy goes home alone to eat some organic free range chicken.
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to get bitches 8) 8) 8)
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i dont but i might to look like this...
(http://www.kulturistika.com/gallery/1115026845_194.jpg)
you know?, everyone wants to be a super hero
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With some guys, though, you really have to question their brain power.
I know this guy who is 5'10, 190 lbs, looks like dog poo, and has been "juicing" for almost two years now... he gets his stuff from some UG lab, doesn't have a job, doesn't go to school, gets money from his dad... That money goes towards gear...
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Why are you judging somebody's personal preferences? ??? As long as they are not hurting anyone else, what is the big deal?
Why would I use steroids? To get bigger and leaner. ??? Hope this helps.
Discuss.
couldn't say it better myself!!!
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juicing up to look good in a nightclub makes far more sense than juicing up to win some local bodybuilding show
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With some guys, though, you really have to question their brain power.
I know this guy who is 5'10, 190 lbs, looks like dog poo, and has been "juicing" for almost two years now... he gets his stuff from some UG lab, doesn't have a job, doesn't go to school, gets money from his dad... That money goes towards gear...
dude -- you know my little bro then
fcking toolbox takes siht to sit at around 200lbs maybe and looks bloated - needs to clean up and stick to da ganga
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dude -- you know my little bro then
fcking toolbox takes siht to sit at around 200lbs maybe and looks bloated - needs to clean up and stick to da ganga
hahahaaa.... how you been, Spike? And what you been up to?
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Ego Fuckers! 8)
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Why are you judging somebody's personal preferences? ??? As long as they are not hurting anyone else, what is the big deal?
Why would I use steroids? To get bigger and leaner. ??? Hope this helps.
Discuss.
Why not be satisfied with maximizing our own genetic potential and just leaving it at that? It has nothing to do with "preference" or even if it's breaking the law, the question is why do it? It's almost like admitting to yourself that you were born inferior....
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Egocrusher, going by your logic, why take supplements? protein powder? why even eat lots of good food?
After all, if your genetics are good enough, you shouldn't have to eat all those eggs, chicken, and tuna. Otherwise, you should be happy with what nature gave you...
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I say, why would you spend $1000 on steroids to win a $4 trophy. Let's face it, taking steroids to compete is just a way to rationalize one's over the top drug use. It's just a sorry excuse as to why someone takes a ton of sauce. You're not going to make any money off bodybuilding, unless you're in the top 10 or so. And if you do win a show, it's more because of the drug blend than anything...where is the satisfaction in that one?
In short, if you're going to sauce, great, but don't use a "show" as a great reason for taking them. It's simply foolish.
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hahahaaa.... how you been, Spike? And what you been up to?
about to graduate -- then maybe do Jr USAs again, next year
I been competing since I was 19 -- did it natural for awhile then wanted to step it up hardass stylie-then about 2yrs ago I hit the protein peptide hormones and went to Jr usa's when I was 23 -- I juice to stay competitive but I would take gh if not competing to just stay lean and run game on bitches like Lebron
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Egocrusher, going by your logic, why take supplements? protein powder? why even eat lots of good food?
After all, if your genetics are good enough, you shouldn't have to eat all those eggs, chicken, and tuna. Otherwise, you should be happy with what nature gave you...
It never fails. Some fool comes out of the woodwork and compares designer drugs (steroids) to protein powder every time. Delusional. It never ceases to amaze me what links guys who use will go to to defend their rationale for using.
Being alive dictates that you must EAT FOOD. Talking about eating egg whites, tuna, etc. is also ludicrous. Comparing that to taking designer drugs (steroids) is just as irrational.
This discussion always cracks me up. Some of the reasons for using guys have are hilarious.
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Why not be satisfied with maximizing our own genetic potential and just leaving it at that? It has nothing to do with "preference" or even if it's breaking the law, the question is why do it? It's almost like admitting to yourself that you were born inferior....
Same could be said about women who get fake boob jobs, collagen injections, tummy tucks, chemical peels. It's their bodies, I don't see the point in it but I won't criticize them for it. I will have a good laugh from time to time though, when I see the ridiculous lengths some people go to change their bodies, whether it be with roids, surgery, whatever.
At least with roids, if you want a decent looking physique, you still need to bust your ass. Most don't, but hey...it's their money, and if it gives them a sense of confidence, false or real...more power to them.
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I was looking around the gym tonight at some of the water-laden, zit-ridden morons with no legs and thought to myself, "Why in the hell are these guys taking gear? For what?"
It seems to me that a vast majority of people who use (I'd say 95%) take gear before they even come close to reaching their genetic potential. Embracing apathy, they turn to the needle instead of seeing what they are made of through dedication and work-ethic. I just don't understand people like this. They completely baffle me.
For those of you who use but don't compete, WHY do you do it? To have the biggest arms at the local nightclub on Saturday night? So you can look like a pink flamingo holding a ton of water when you hit the gym? What the hell is the point? You're not going to make a living off of bodybuilding/weightlifting. You're doing nothing but showing everyone you aren't man enough to sack up and obtain something (a physique) by simply using what God gave you at birth. Why do you do it? What made you turn to it?
I've simply never understood this. It's borderline insane behavior to me.
you wont have huge arms on hormones if you didnt have big arms before hormones,,you will have big arms,,the main reason lifter uses gear is because they want to look their best muscle mass to bodyfat ratio via the process of bulk and cut bullk and cut,,
many of the lifters,,,many girls included,,take it inorder to shorten their way on to the stage with enough muscle to be able to do some damage,,,especially state level shows etc
i dont know even one person that was serious about his training diet and drug intake that looked bad,,they all look good,,,some less good some more good
the thing i find worst is the girl in your local gym that is 118 pounds figure competitor that sits there and saying she takes nothing yet her face look like she got down syndrom and clenbuterol and effedrine s like ibu profen to her,,those are the liars i hate the most,,but to me they never say they dont take anything,,when i get in a gym,,any gym there is silence of respect,,because you cant tell me no bull crap,,i done it all and seen it all
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Scroll down...
http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/showthread.php?t=3416
Just what I've always wanted, big tits I can play with at anytime. Thanks Matt!
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you wont have huge arms on hormones if you didnt have big arms before hormones,,you will have big arms,,the main reason lifter uses gear is because they want to look their best muscle mass to bodyfat ratio via the process of bulk and cut bullk and cut,,
many of the lifters,,,many girls included,,take it inorder to shorten their way on to the stage with enough muscle to be able to do some damage,,,especially state level shows etc
i dont know even one person that was serious about his training diet and drug intake that looked bad,,they all look good,,,some less good some more good
the thing i find worst is the girl in your local gym that is 118 pounds figure competitor that sits there and saying she takes nothing yet her face look like she got down syndrom and clenbuterol and effedrine s like ibu profen to her,,those are the liars i hate the most,,but to me they never say they dont take anything,,when i get in a gym,,any gym there is silence of respect,,because you cant tell me no bull crap,,i done it all and seen it all
Yeah, the figure girls using cracks me up every time. You talk about complete denial. They should drug-test all figure competitions.
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Actually, the better topic would be "guys who don't have physiques yet still act like they know what they're talking about. WHY do you do it?"
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(http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/lebron.jpg)
6ius gh
20ius slin
1500mg test e
100mg proviron
=
gettin it done
"dont be a product of your environment, let your environment be a product of you"
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Because most humans want to take the shortest, fastest, easiest way to achieve their goals, whatever they may be. Most people on this site are the rare humans, whom can appreciate the long journey of hard work towards their goal.
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I suppose Lebron James was on gear when he was 17...he was more muscular then than he is now.
::)
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Egocrusher, if those pictures of you that Heckler posted are real, you could sure use some juice yourself.
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im gonna get to the quarter mile faster on the nitrous
but im gonna have to fix the car 3 times as often, and the motor will die at low mileage
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My lifetime natural pics are on one of these boards in a thread. The Heckler is a moron. Did you actually think someone that looked like the guy in those pics he put up would post on a bodybuilding board?
::)
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To answer your question;
It starts out as a fast track to physical supremacy and to overcome your genetic shortcomings
Then the strength and physical changes, not previously achieveable, leave no question in the users mind that another cycle must be done.. usually too early
After that, the inexperienced will determine that working out while not 'on' is pointless and a waste of time and to be seen while not in peak physical shape would bruise the reputation as a gym 'animal' and nightclub 'rager' and deflate the ego beyond repair... so he'll continue to use regardless of health, relationships and monetary cost
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You mean like this?
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The same could be said for folks that spend $50K trickin out their Honda Accords so they can race other gearheads on Saturday night. They'll never race professionally, but they spend their life savings trickin out a rollin shitbox for 20 seconds of racing with other grease monkeys.
To each their own, more power to em.
Poor Analogy:
Its NOT a Felony to trick out your ride!
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ego crusher, the reason why i have used in the past is the pump. when you are using test the pumps are unreal! plus you also have the benefit of being able to heal quickly and make temporary but great gains. im not saying this is logical but im giving you an honest answer.
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I was looking around the gym tonight at some of the water-laden, zit-ridden morons with no legs and thought to myself, "Why in the hell are these guys taking gear? For what?"
It seems to me that a vast majority of people who use (I'd say 95%) take gear before they even come close to reaching their genetic potential. Embracing apathy, they turn to the needle instead of seeing what they are made of through dedication and work-ethic. I just don't understand people like this. They completely baffle me.
For those of you who use but don't compete, WHY do you do it? To have the biggest arms at the local nightclub on Saturday night? So you can look like a pink flamingo holding a ton of water when you hit the gym? What the hell is the point? You're not going to make a living off of bodybuilding/weightlifting. You're doing nothing but showing everyone you aren't man enough to sack up and obtain something (a physique) by simply using what God gave you at birth. Why do you do it? What made you turn to it?
I've simply never understood this. It's borderline insane behavior to me.
Because they know its really not that dangerous.
17,000 people died last year in a car accident , why do you drive?
3 people died from steroid related illnesses.
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I was looking around the gym tonight at some of the water-laden, zit-ridden morons with no legs and thought to myself, "Why in the hell are these guys taking gear? For what?"
It seems to me that a vast majority of people who use (I'd say 95%) take gear before they even come close to reaching their genetic potential. Embracing apathy, they turn to the needle instead of seeing what they are made of through dedication and work-ethic. I just don't understand people like this. They completely baffle me.
For those of you who use but don't compete, WHY do you do it? To have the biggest arms at the local nightclub on Saturday night? So you can look like a pink flamingo holding a ton of water when you hit the gym? What the hell is the point? You're not going to make a living off of bodybuilding/weightlifting. You're doing nothing but showing everyone you aren't man enough to sack up and obtain something (a physique) by simply using what God gave you at birth. Why do you do it? What made you turn to it?
I've simply never understood this. It's borderline insane behavior to me.
Most likely you smoke weed and pop pills. Why?
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When I was younger I was very anti-steroid and the juicer friends I had would tell me, "look bro, you train your ass off, but after a year you'll add what 5-8lbs of muscle at best? I put on 25lbs in under 6 months, I eat fastfood and my bodyfat is 10-12%." Now, I've never used, and I've mellowed out as I've gotten older, but I still don't understand the mentality. If you desire to compete then juice until your insides liquify....fine by me. Although, if you're 22, stupid and spending the allowance your parents give you on gear so you can look good in a mall, best you rethink your priorities....then again, I don't know many 22 yr olds concerned with their priorities.
u train to look gud in a mall, u do it urself, they just dnt wanna waste anytime, they want results fast, like anybody would. U dnt understand? try gear, see how much time u have wasted!!!! it doesnt matter what u gain naturally , if u do a cycle, gain a lot of muscle, once u come off some will go away, depending on ur genetic potential. so ur left with ur natural best.
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I was looking around the gym tonight at some of the water-laden, zit-ridden morons with no legs and thought to myself, "Why in the hell are these guys taking gear? For what?"
It seems to me that a vast majority of people who use (I'd say 95%) take gear before they even come close to reaching their genetic potential. Embracing apathy, they turn to the needle instead of seeing what they are made of through dedication and work-ethic. I just don't understand people like this. They completely baffle me.
For those of you who use but don't compete, WHY do you do it? To have the biggest arms at the local nightclub on Saturday night? So you can look like a pink flamingo holding a ton of water when you hit the gym? What the hell is the point? You're not going to make a living off of bodybuilding/weightlifting. You're doing nothing but showing everyone you aren't man enough to sack up and obtain something (a physique) by simply using what God gave you at birth. Why do you do it? What made you turn to it?
I've simply never understood this. It's borderline insane behavior to me.
Its the times we live in. There was a show on MTV about steriods and the people taking them were doing so for the dumbest reason (one gay guy had a hot body show he was getting ready for..?) Everybody wants the easy and quickest way. Nobody wants to work and earn anything. Its the choice of the new generation. Same way you see everybody thinking there the next MMA fighter it the same for Gear. Take a few shots gain 15 to 20 lbs then walk around acting like you have done something. Makes no sense even if there was no health risk. I think gear has it's place and is a option for those that want to take the chance but anybody thats doing it for appearence only needs to be taken out back and shot in there head to speed the process up.
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You mean like this?
That's NOT ME you dumbass! I put my picture on here yesterday. If you and your Sheet Detective skills were up to par you'd find it.
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Do you ask the same question to girls with fake tits and hair?
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I was looking around the gym tonight at some of the water-laden, zit-ridden morons with no legs and thought to myself, "Why in the hell are these guys taking gear? For what?"
It seems to me that a vast majority of people who use (I'd say 95%) take gear before they even come close to reaching their genetic potential. Embracing apathy, they turn to the needle instead of seeing what they are made of through dedication and work-ethic. I just don't understand people like this. They completely baffle me.
For those of you who use but don't compete, WHY do you do it? To have the biggest arms at the local nightclub on Saturday night? So you can look like a pink flamingo holding a ton of water when you hit the gym? What the hell is the point? You're not going to make a living off of bodybuilding/weightlifting. You're doing nothing but showing everyone you aren't man enough to sack up and obtain something (a physique) by simply using what God gave you at birth. Why do you do it? What made you turn to it?
I've simply never understood this. It's borderline insane behavior to me.
agree, its just they want the attention IMO.
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I was looking around the gym tonight at some of the water-laden, zit-ridden morons with no legs and thought to myself, "Why in the hell are these guys taking gear? For what?"
It seems to me that a vast majority of people who use (I'd say 95%) take gear before they even come close to reaching their genetic potential. Embracing apathy, they turn to the needle instead of seeing what they are made of through dedication and work-ethic. I just don't understand people like this. They completely baffle me.
For those of you who use but don't compete, WHY do you do it? To have the biggest arms at the local nightclub on Saturday night? So you can look like a pink flamingo holding a ton of water when you hit the gym? What the hell is the point? You're not going to make a living off of bodybuilding/weightlifting. You're doing nothing but showing everyone you aren't man enough to sack up and obtain something (a physique) by simply using what God gave you at birth. Why do you do it? What made you turn to it?
I've simply never understood this. It's borderline insane behavior to me.
They take roids for the same reasons why people drink a beer, smoke a joint and have sex. Its their business and perogative. Who are we to judge?
PB
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juicing up to look good in a nightclub makes far more sense than juicing up to win some local bodybuilding show
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LOL i have never heard it put that way or seen it written out but this does make sense...im cracking up because its true.
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you cant compare street racers to grease monkeys. Sure, there are plenty of kids who spend shit tons of money on their import shitboxes to look cool and go fast and sound loud...but you have to separate the people who do this by paying other people to fix up their shit....and the people who buy parts, or even fabricate their own parts and fix the shit up themselves.
its a hobby i guess for some folks. I'm ASE master certified, GM certified and went back to school for a 2 year degree for automotive technology even though i work in the computer field...i did that stuff just as a hobby. I can get a 10 second car for $15,000 but i can build one for about $6000. Even if i never race professionally, its all worth it to smoke some chump from a red light revving his fuckin honda civic....with an 84 dodge diplomat...just in the same way it is rewarding for some juicehead to leave the bar with 2 bar sluts while the "natural" guy goes home alone to eat some organic free range chicken.
Don't worry KD, I have respect for the mechanics of the world.....my truck wouldn't run without em.
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because it feels good to be Large and in Charge, stupid
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I like it when guys in my gym use. giants lifts are inspirational. You see some guy deadlifting 600 for reps and the whole gym just stops.
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I was looking around the gym tonight at some of the water-laden, zit-ridden morons with no legs and thought to myself, "Why in the hell are these guys taking gear? For what?"
1. Shortcut. Why work really hard and put in all that time when you don't have to?
2. Vanity.
3. Gayness for sale. ;D
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because it feels good to be Large and in Charge, stupid
You ever had sex?
please no comebacks like a typical Getbigger, you know like "yeah bro with your mom" " your sister" blah, blah.... ;D
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This thread is such a stupid question it's not even worth answering.
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So only people who decide they want to compete have a reason to take gear? ???
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Why do it even when you compete ? This question comes around a lot and it makes no sense to distinguish here
It's not like even 99% of the bodybuilders is rewinning the cost of their contest-cycle back
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People take steroids to be become bigger faster
Does that answer the question?
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People take steroids to be become bigger faster
Does that answer the question?
Well...no because you can do that WITHOUT gear dude... If your income does not depend on you using drugs to be competitive I don't see any VALID excuse to use....wait a sec there is'nt one ::)
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I like it when guys in my gym use. giants lifts are inspirational. You see some guy deadlifting 600 for reps and the whole gym just stops.
im real close to that...
and i dont use
never will
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gear is one thing... but a strong mind and focus is another...
lil help from genetics too...
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on the topic... if someone wants to take gear fine... its a stupid choice in the long run but it is their choice at the end of the day... a lot of natural guys diiss guys who take steroids because of a lil jelousy i think..
me i am happy with myself... and the body i have built over the years and this is why i never envy guys who juice...
genetics over juice anyday..
but its a free world to each his own
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Well...no because you can do that WITHOUT gear dude... If your income does not depend on you using drugs to be competitive I don't see any VALID excuse to use....wait a sec there is'nt one ::)
Perhaps I didn't bold the word "faster" enough.
Besides, the question is not whether there's a valid excuse to take gear or not, its why do people take gear. Dumb question.
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Why did I start using steroids? I guess because I was curious & wanted to try them. I use them as a tool & in moderation. I don't encourage others to use nor do I care who uses & who doesn't. I don't plan to compete you never know what the future holds. Note: My intensity doesn't change at all with or without gear.
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When I was younger I was very anti-steroid and the juicer friends I had would tell me, "look bro, you train your ass off, but after a year you'll add what 5-8lbs of muscle at best? I put on 25lbs in under 6 months, I eat fastfood and my bodyfat is 10-12%." Now, I've never used, and I've mellowed out as I've gotten older, but I still don't understand the mentality. If you desire to compete then juice until your insides liquify....fine by me. Although, if you're 22, stupid and spending the allowance your parents give you on gear so you can look good in a mall, best you rethink your priorities....then again, I don't know many 22 yr olds concerned with their priorities.
This is golden, sums it up to a T.
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(http://www.interbasket.net/players/usa/lebron.jpg)
6ius gh
20ius slin
1500mg test e
100mg proviron
=
gettin it done
"dont be a product of your environment, let your environment be a product of you"
lol
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i am a natural but i would consider taking steroids in the future, perhaps in a few years. it depends on if my genetic limits as a natural in bodybuilding can live up to my ultimate goals as a bodybuilder and also if my goals remain the same in the future. but to answer your question...
people who take gear before theyve reached their genetic limit want to get bigger faster.
people who take gear after theyve reached their genetic limit want to achieve more than their body is allowing them to.
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It's simply a question of ethical value:
WHY use drugs instead of working your ass off and living with the outcome? What is there to gain from it beyond emptying your wallet, throwing your self-worth and esteem down at the door and knowing that, every time you look in the mirror, you are living a LIE? Why do it? You are simply admitting to yourself that you can't deal with what mother-nature gave you.
And before any more of you respond with hate, this is me at 205 and 5'11...Natural for life. From June of 2005. No, I'm not He-Man, but I can go to bed at night respecting myself and feeling ethical. That's more important to me than any water/FAKE GAINS drugs will ever give you.
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It's simply a question of ethical value:
WHY use drugs instead of working your ass off and living with the outcome? What is there to gain from it beyond emptying your wallet, throwing your self-worth and esteem down at the door and knowing that, every time you look in the mirror, you are living a LIE? Why do it? You are simply admitting to yourself that you can't deal with what mother-nature gave you.
And before any more of you respond with hate, this is me at 205 and 5'11...Natural for life. From June of 2005. No, I'm not He-Man, but I can go to bed at night respecting myself and feeling ethical. That's more important to me than any water/FAKE GAINS drugs will ever give you.
why go on a diet when you can just eat all you want and then starve yourself? WHy study hard for a test when you can just cheat on it? The long term side effects don't seem to bother people with these habits. The same logic can be used for steroids. Why would a lazy person want to work very hard and be patient when they can just stick a needle in them and get much quicker results. This is how people are today, at least most of them. That is why there are sheep and ther are leaders. I love and appreciate the fact that nothing worth having comes easy.
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That is why there are sheep and ther are leaders. I love and appreciate the fact that nothing worth having comes easy. \
Damn straight. The sheep will continue to be water ridden, zit laden morons while I laugh.
I will still continue them to be borderline insane, though.
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EgoCrusher, honestly dude.. you're fucked in the head.. most of us don't see anything wrong or immoral with using steroids, in most countries outside of the US they're perfectly legal and available over the counter, just because you're so narrow minded doesn't mean the rest of us are. Some people want to get ahead without waiting that 10-12 years, you sound like one of those christian scientists that believes everything will happen on it's own and everything that's assisted is a sleight against your god. If you feel this strongly about steroids I would love to see how you feel about modern medicine, antibiotics ? how about painkillers or anasthesia in surgery? is that wrong too, should it be outlawed because you don't like it? what's up with your quest to make the lifting world all natural?!? if there's something available that helps speed up your recovery and put muscle on your body, why wouldn't you use it?! you use protein powders, supplements, amino acids, creatines, etc. etc. but are so deathly against something medically proven to work.
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And to sum it up, who gives a fuck about ethics or morals? as long as you're not hurting anybody else DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT.
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QFT
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It's simply a question of ethical value:
WHY use drugs instead of working your ass off and living with the outcome? What is there to gain from it beyond emptying your wallet, throwing your self-worth and esteem down at the door and knowing that, every time you look in the mirror, you are living a LIE? Why do it? You are simply admitting to yourself that you can't deal with what mother-nature gave you.
And before any more of you respond with hate, this is me at 205 and 5'11...Natural for life. From June of 2005. No, I'm not He-Man, but I can go to bed at night respecting myself and feeling ethical. That's more important to me than any water/FAKE GAINS drugs will ever give you.
I don't juice but I would consider using them to NOT look like you :)
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And to sum it up, who gives a fuck about ethics or morals? as long as you're not hurting anybody else DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT.
You just summed yourself up...
Comparing STEROIDS to anti-biotic drugs? Let me guess..
The next damn thing we know, you will compare people using steroids to those wanting to prolong their LIFE using drugs to FIGHT the ravages of CANCER...
You are COMPLETELY out of touch with reality. You want to compare a person using CHEMO DRUGS to keep the ALIVE to a sorry ass piece of SHIT using steroids to make up for laziness? YOU are the loser in this argument my drug dependent friend. Your entire base for argument is misguided. You embrace all that is WRONG with weight-lifting. If you head to the gym tomorrow to do back, ask yourself when you are doing dumbell rows WHY you can't go heavy without drugs? I hit the 140's for 8 clean, non-cheating reps without drugs. No, I'm not He-Man....but I do look at guys like YOU and wonder how in the hell you can go through life with any self-respect?
Hurting no one else? Hell no. Living a LIE if you are a drug-addict/steroid abuser?? Hell yes.
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just admit already that these juicers make you feel bad about yourself and you have a fear of needles ::)
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It's simply a question of ethical value:
WHY use drugs instead of working your ass off and living with the outcome? What is there to gain from it beyond emptying your wallet, throwing your self-worth and esteem down at the door and knowing that, every time you look in the mirror, you are living a LIE? Why do it? You are simply admitting to yourself that you can't deal with what mother-nature gave you.
And before any more of you respond with hate, this is me at 205 and 5'11...Natural for life. From June of 2005. No, I'm not He-Man, but I can go to bed at night respecting myself and feeling ethical. That's more important to me than any water/FAKE GAINS drugs will ever give you.
some dont look at it as an "unethical" choice....and it is only opinion that lack of self worth and esteem are involved. i see your argument, but i just cant agree with your logic. exactly what lie is it that they are living? "admitting to yourself that you can't deal with what mother-nature gave you."? .......come on...that is weak at best. why do workout at all then? arent you happy with the way you are? why try to improve in the gym....why not just walk around like every other slump and be happy with it. you got legs dont you? so why drive to work? automobiles harm millions...directly and indirectly......mother nature gave you legs...why such the hurry to get around? conveinience? maybe...cheating mother nature? by your logic...yes..
i think that there are a fair share of "juicers" that lift and try to improve themselves for the same reasons you do...they just do it through a different vehicle. nothing wrong with it per se...just a choice. you choose to be "lifetime natural"...other dont...leave it alone...
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some dont look at it as an "unethical" choice....and it is only opinion that lack of self worth and esteem are involved. i see your argument, but i just cant agree with your logic. exactly what lie is it that they are living? "admitting to yourself that you can't deal with what mother-nature gave you."? .......come on...that is weak at best. why do workout at all then? arent you happy with the way you are? why try to improve in the gym....why not just walk around like every other slump and be happy with it. you got legs dont you? so why drive to work? automobiles harm millions...directly and indirectly......mother nature gave you legs...why such the hurry to get around? conveinience? maybe...cheating mother nature? by your logic...yes..
i think that there are a fair share of "juicers" that lift and try to improve themselves for the same reasons you do...they just do it through a different vehicle. nothing wrong with it per se...just a choice. you choose to be "lifetime natural"...other dont...leave it alone...
THANK YOU!.. you summed up exactly what I was going to say... great post! :)
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just admit already that these juicers make you feel bad about yourself and you have a fear of needles ::)
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I was just going to reply something in the likes of 'working hard in the gym is so much easier mentally than constantly jabbing that pin in' and it truly IS
I dont know many juicers that actually like to inject lol
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You know what I don't understand.....Is why so many naturals are so concerned with guys that use gear...I hear this shit all the time...Ya know if someone wants to use then let them use, it's their body not yours...Just drop it or keep obsessing about someone Else's life and not pay attention to your own in all your natural glory...Its not like a bunch of guys that juice sit around and bitch about guys that are natural...Eventhough, I know several guys that use almost all the way up to a natural competition and yet "claim" to be natural; now that is something a natural competator should bitch about more than the average Joe using or not...just my .02