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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: EL Mariachi on March 31, 2010, 11:58:21 AM
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One of the biggest guns
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yes, incredible...perfect triceps
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I'd prefer seeing Cory's tits in contest shape instead. But that's me.
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I'd prefer seeing Cory's tits in contest shape instead. But that's me.
Get that shit outta here you fucking straight man!
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first and last look shopped
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is it just me, or is that one of only a few men in history to make ridiculous ginormous muscles look cool?
goddamn Mr. Levrone :o :o
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he did not have 24" guns in contest shape, if you dont realize how much these guys inflate their supposed weights and measurements.......you just dont know much
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first and last look shopped
no photoshop. check out the maryland muscle machine movie, kevin was the best bber ever.. seriously
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24" at a weight of what, 240lbs? BULLSHIT!!!!
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24" may be pushing it a bit, but Levrone had huge arms for sure. Some of the best tris/delts ever.
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24" may be pushing it a bit, but Levrone had huge arms for sure. Some of the best tris/delts ever.
lol look how much bigger his arms are than ronnie's here, ridiculous, and ronnie had one of the biggest too, 24 inch is not a stretch
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24" at a weight of what, 240lbs? BULLSHIT!!!!
i believe he competed at 255
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Kevin was smoki'n this right before he measured his arms!
(http://i43.tinypic.com/9hpgki.jpg)
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much bigger guns than the gift
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Kevin was smoki'n this right before he measured his arms!
(http://i43.tinypic.com/9hpgki.jpg)
if there was one bber that had 24 inches, its him.. probably had the biggest guns in the sport back then
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Levrone should have been Mr. O.
From the 1999 Grand Prix. He looks insane :o :o
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Levrone should have been Mr. O.
From the 1999 Grand Prix. He looks insane :o :o
you cant use the 99 GP as your barometer of who should have won what.........everyone looked like a freak at that show, it might have been the best lit show in history.....flex, ronnie, milos..........everyone
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Levrone should have been Mr. O.
From the 1999 Grand Prix. He looks insane :o :o
if he came in like this at the O he would beat mr yates
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=326009.0;attach=365248;image) brutal camera angle, 5 feet further infront, didnt know kevin was 6 foot
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/I9QJpwpLZWI/0.jpg)
(http://www.fisioculturismo.es/images/KevinLevroneRonnieColeman-culturismo-entrenamientos-piernas.jpg)
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you cant use the 99 GP as your barometer of who should have won what.........everyone looked like a freak at that show, it might have been the best lit show in history.....flex, ronnie, milos..........everyone
Good point--however, his overall track record speaks for itself. I think most people would agree that he should have been Mr. O at least one time.
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i'd say his right arm was 21 inches, left 20 inches
(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/horton/images/06FLEXat0267.jpg)(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/mader/images/IMG_7568.jpg)
phil heath and him are similar height/weight..
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KL was incredible at the 99 GP. It is a shame he never one the Mr. O...he was close so many times and has to be considered one of the all time greats. I was at the Mr. O in 02, and he pushed Ronnie to the absolute limit. If he had his usual legs that year, he probably would have won.
KL's physique is more appealing than Dorian or Ronnie's (I know who I'd rather look like). However, I don't think he ever had the freaky blend of size + conditioning that the IFBB rewards. KL is definitely one of my faves. He is further proof that the sport is NOT progressing.
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(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/mader/images/IMG_7561.jpg)(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/mader/images/IMG_7546.jpg)
the reason why he wont come back is because phil heath is a better version on levrone, slightly narrower, levrone had a better chest and abs but heath has calves, better hams, quads, back, forearms, arms...
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i'd say his right arm was 21 inches, left 20 inches
phil heath and him are similar height/weight..
I also say 21in
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Good point--however, his overall track record speaks for itself. I think most people would agree that he should have been Mr. O at least one time.
During Yates' reign I always had Shawn Ray over Levrone and later on Coleman was too much for him, maybe except in 2002.
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(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/mader/images/IMG_7561.jpg)(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/mader/images/IMG_7546.jpg)
the reason why he wont come back is because phil heath is a better version on levrone, slightly narrower, levrone had a better chest and abs but heath has calves, better hams, quads, back, forearms, arms...
haha stupid, they are both TOTALLY different, only thing that is similar between them is their most muscular
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(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/mader/images/IMG_7650.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/mader/images/IMG_7628.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/mader/images/IMG_7654.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/mader/images/IMG_7672.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/mader/images/IMG_7677.jpg)
(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/mader/images/IMG_7710.jpg)
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haha stupid, they are both TOTALLY different, only thing that is similar between them is their most muscular extensive use of seo's in their arms
fixed
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when you compare them side by side, levrone and heath are very similar...........i think heath has slightly better overall flow then levrone, smaller joints, smaller waist. some poses levrone looked blocky in
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when you compare them side by side, levrone and heath are very similar...........i think heath has slightly better overall flow then levrone, smaller joints, smaller waist. some poses levrone looked blocky in
lol buddy levrone is top 5 bodybuilder
heath is not.
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I also say 21in
see? levrone here destroy heath except maybe forearms/brach. and this was young, levrone later may had smaller legs, but he would completely rape heath from the upper body
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=326009.0;attach=365248;image) brutal camera angle, 5 feet further infront, didnt know kevin was 6 foot
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/I9QJpwpLZWI/0.jpg)
(http://www.fisioculturismo.es/images/KevinLevroneRonnieColeman-culturismo-entrenamientos-piernas.jpg)
Neither one is standing straight up in the MM, so it's difficult to judge their height. They look to be about the same height in all the pics you posted to me. How tall is KL? Ronnie? Aren't they both around 5'10? Here's another MM comparison of he and RC. Both have great arms.
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lol buddy levrone is top 5 bodybuilder
heath is not.
uh, so is heath, he has been top 4 the past 2 years, just like levrone......levrone was just around longer
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see? levrone here destroy heath except maybe forearms/brach. and this was young, levrone later may had smaller legs, but he would completely rape heath from the upper body
Later Levrone was much wider, for sure. But its a good comparison, as it was Kevin's & Heath's rookie year pics.
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im sure levrones stack was like test tren masteron eq with a SHITLOAD of GH
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Levrone had/has a pleasing face. Phil looks like a huge baby. Levrone is one of the best BB-er ever, Phil will be just a side note. Weak pecs on Phil - Pecs are the most importatnt part of a pleasing physic... Verdict: Levrone blows Phil out of water.
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im sure levrones stack was like test tren masteron eq with a SHITLOAD of GH
yea buddy and dont forget igf-1,insulin and some anadrol! and last but not least, the best nutrition aka; fish,potatoes,green vegetables,chicken, beef and rice only! every fucking day
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Later Levrone was much wider, for sure. But its a good comparison, as it was Kevin's & Heath's rookie year pics.
Heath was about 220ish, Levrone about 235ish...if they were on stage together, the size diff would have been kinda noticable, although, Heath has a better detailed back. Levrone probably did have 21s his rookie yr. Levrone was probably the only top guy that could show up 235-40 one yr and 260 the next. He could have Lee Priest place ahead of him at the Arnold (it has happened) and then come Mr. O time, he'd blow everybody away...few people could do that. Flex himself had problems peaking for the Arnold and the O.
Also, Levrone had better traps than Phil, I think Phil's neck is stated at 17.5. A smaller neck and traps gives the impression of width. Thicker traps on a narrow frame make it even narrower, but gives more impression of power and thickness, Like JOJ, Levrone, Ronnie, Vic Richards
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What happened to his comeback?
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you guys are fcking clowns,,,to think levrone had 24inch arms,,,at his peak when we measured them they wree only 22inchs off season,,,ha ha ha,,,,levrone the ilulusion master,,old lady swindler,,does it again to getbiggers,,next you guys will buy his ridiculous supplement line
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Heath was about 220ish, Levrone about 235ish...if they were on stage together, the size diff would have been kinda noticable, although, Heath has a better detailed back. Levrone probably did have 21s his rookie yr. Levrone was probably the only top guy that could show up 235-40 one yr and 260 the next. He could have Lee Priest place ahead of him at the Arnold (it has happened) and then come Mr. O time, he'd blow everybody away...few people could do that. Flex himself had problems peaking for the Arnold and the O.
Also, Levrone had better traps than Phil, I think Phil's neck is stated at 17.5. A smaller neck and traps gives the impression of width. Thicker traps on a narrow frame make it even narrower, but gives more impression of power and thickness, Like JOJ, Levrone, Ronnie, Vic Richards
its all about finding the perfect dose and timing that is IT
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best triceps ever
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no he didn't.... hope this helps
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MARYLAND MUSCLE MACHINE!
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No way 24 in shape. ::)
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you guys are fcking clowns,,,to think levrone had 24inch arms,,,at his peak when we measured them they wree only 22inchs off season,,,ha ha ha,,,,levrone the ilulusion master,,old lady swindler,,does it again to getbiggers,,next you guys will buy his ridiculous supplement line
sorry....you obviously cant get past 17 inches so dont know what 20 inches look like.
a 20" arm on an avg height guy- esp a BB looks actually pretty small.
arnies were 22-23"..and he was 6'2" but there was no thickness compared to kevs and no triceps really.
lee priest's arms are 21-22" and he's 5'2" or shorter...
my own arms are 20" and im 6'1" and they dont look anywhere near as thick as kev et als.
i wouldnt be at all surprised if his arms are at least 22", and 24" wouldnt be surprising either.
the nay sayers just dont get it. isnt there a thread here right now of some dude's arm measuring 19.5" and it looks nowhere near even amateur level?...
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No way 24 in shape. ::)
get over your LevrOWNING already ::)
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(http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af242/BODYBUILDINGGOD/levrone.jpg)
(http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/R8dXkHTA_eE/0.jpg)
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who the fck are you fella,,,ha ha ha your making me laugh your 20inchs are not the same as pro bodybuiler 20inchs have you evern even seen a 20inch pro bodbyduiler or a 22inch in contest shape,,,,ha ha ha,,,your making me laugh as bad as LUKE,,,your the opposiste of him,,,,,,,
sorry....you obviously cant get past 17 inches so dont know what 20 inches look like.
a 20" arm on an avg height guy- esp a BB looks actually pretty small.
arnies were 22-23"..and he was 6'2" but there was no thickness compared to kevs and no triceps really.
lee priest's arms are 21-22" and he's 5'2" or shorter...
my own arms are 20" and im 6'1" and they dont look anywhere near as thick as kev et als.
i wouldnt be at all surprised if his arms are at least 22", and 24" wouldnt be surprising either.
the nay sayers just dont get it. isnt there a thread here right now of some dude's arm measuring 19.5" and it looks nowhere near even amateur level?...
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thats because kevin is 5'8 and his arms are 20 inches shredded
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(http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af242/BODYBUILDINGGOD/levrone.jpg)
(http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/R8dXkHTA_eE/0.jpg)
hahaha if you get a close up like that on kev, his arm wouldnt fit in the pic
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Ver wonder there are no offseason pics of Levrone or Flex? I've only seen Flex in his Mass Constuction vid where he is at home and looks "chubby", and at a guest posing where he is allegedly 265.
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Kevin's arms never saw 24", ever. Some people watched too much Hulkamania growing up.
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Considering ronnies arms are 21.5 - 22" at 305 lbs . How on earth does a 230 lb levrone have anywhere near 24 inch arms
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I'm 5'8 and my arms are 17 inches. I can't imagine 7 more inches on my arms. I wouldn't be able to even do a side tricep or wipe my arse. And i'm 200 lbs with abs. It makes no sense. 20 inch contest. Thats the biggest he had. TRIX
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I'm 5'8 and my arms are 17 inches. I can't imagine 7 more inches on my arms. I wouldn't be able to even do a side tricep or wipe my arse. And i'm 200 lbs with abs. It makes no sense. 20 inch contest. Thats the biggest he had. TRIX
We will never know...but a telling part of Shawn Ray's Final Countdown, may dispute thatcwhat you say. Shawn and Kev are backstage and they shake hands, they are side by side. Levrone Dwarfs Shawn, and his arms are way bigger than Shawn's. Shawn was about 215 for that contest. Shawn had said on here that his tailor had measured his arms at 18 inches. Now, he didn't say offseason, but I gather it was during contest, because Shawn competed when they wore suits to the competitors meeting.
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a 2 inch ripped arm is a big difference
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I dunno man. But look at burneika probably 24 inches offseason at 290 lbs at 5'9 and he is a arm freak. His arms dwarf everyones
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I dunno man. But look at burneika probably 24 inches offseason at 290 lbs at 5'9 and he is a arm freak. His arms dwarf everyones
His arms are big, but their shape sucks, they lack that "oh shit" detail that Phil has. And that is the illusion that Phil and Kev share, their triceps are huge, very detailed and have that quality to them.
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How big do you think Frank McGrath's arms are? 22"?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UDfh_SSyubM/SbJC6E57q5I/AAAAAAAAAHk/rCqREQ6i3CU/s400/frank+mcgrath+8.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2050/2198970327_5c874ba204.jpg)
Crazy forearm development :o
(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3895/mmkl8.jpg)
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its so fucking ugly to have huge forearm veins like that...... thats the only reason in skeptic to use Equipoise along with the anxiety bullshit or whatever
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its so fucking ugly to have huge forearm veins like that...... thats the only reason in skeptic to use Equipoise along with the anxiety bullshit or whatever
I disagree. I think forearms like that look pretty awesome. However, I find a really veiny chest to look pretty ugly. To each their own :D
Dillet is no doubt a freak, but those veins across his chest and shoulders just look sort of unnatural.
(http://www.canadianbodybuildingscene.com/images/Paul-Dillet-bodybuilder.jpg)
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it almost looks like he has no shoulders in that pic
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I disagree. I think forearms like that look pretty awesome. However, I find a really veiny chest to look pretty ugly. To each their own :D
Dillet is no doubt a freak, but those veins across his chest and shoulders just look sort of unnatural.
(http://www.canadianbodybuildingscene.com/images/Paul-Dillet-bodybuilder.jpg)
Frankinstein was made by a mad scientist.
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Dillet is no doubt a freak, but those veins across his chest and shoulders just look sort of unnatural.
Yeah, i thought those were varicose veins, they don't look "normal" (i would say "natural" but it would be an oxymoron)
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levrone never had even 22 inch arms on stage, offseason or anywhere in between
and this isnt a knock on him
hope this helps
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Frankinstein was made by a mad scientist.
No doubt. He was a genetic freak. Too bad he couldn't pose for shit.
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(http://www.jeffcervero.com/images/arnold02/Levrone2.jpg) people with big triceps tend to have bigger relaxed arms
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if he came in like this at the O he would beat mr yates
no he would not have. like posted above, the lighting at this show made everyone look great. imagine Yates in that lighting.
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Look the difference in size between Ronnie`s and Kevin`s arms...this pic say it all...24 inch Levrone`s arms no way!!!
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That pic is embarrassing... and not for Levrone
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One of the biggest guns
He supposedly had them measured around the 1993 Mr. Olympia at 21". I read this quite some time ago and yes, they grew in size as his body went from 225 pounds to 265 pounds.
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if he came in like this at the O he would beat mr yates
His 1999 Grand Prix physique rivaled a 1993 Mr. Olympia Yates...
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=326009.0;attach=365248;image) brutal camera angle, 5 feet further infront, didnt know kevin was 6 foot
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/I9QJpwpLZWI/0.jpg)
(http://www.fisioculturismo.es/images/KevinLevroneRonnieColeman-culturismo-entrenamientos-piernas.jpg)
At least compare them at the same fucking contest and year fucktard. Levrone was at his all-time heaviest in 1997-1998 (260-265 pounds). In 1999 and onwards he was in his 230's and 240's and EVERY bodypart was smaller.
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Neither one is standing straight up in the MM, so it's difficult to judge their height. They look to be about the same height in all the pics you posted to me. How tall is KL? Ronnie? Aren't they both around 5'10? Here's another MM comparison of he and RC. Both have great arms.
Levrone - 5'9"
Coleman - 5'10" (his listed height BEFORE he became Mr. Olympia)
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I have a 24 inch dick when I'm in contest shape.
After saying this, i'll probably get PM'ed by all you guys now asking to blow me discreetly....
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get over your LevrOWNING already ::)
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Anyone who thinks he has 24 inch arms in shape at 240-250 lbs is retarded in the first degree and doesn't know much about bodybuilding and measurements
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Anyone who thinks he has 24 inch arms in shape at 240-250 lbs is retarded in the first degree and doesn't know much about bodybuilding and measurements
Agreed
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i said contestshape to get a rise out of people, but considering in m3 he was almost contestshape its not that big of a difference, in the video they very well could be between 23 and 24
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Look the difference in size between Ronnie`s and Kevin`s arms...this pic say it all...24 inch Levrone`s arms no way!!!
he was light here
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true measurement is: 22inches contest shape, 22and1/2 off season.
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If you have great genetics and good proportions (like Levrone) then you don't have to have bigger arms than 21-22"...that's more than enough...
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true measurement is: 22inches contest shape, 22and1/2 off season.
he didnt train much in offseason, probably smaller than contest time
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he didnt train much in offseason, probably smaller than contest time
22 and half ''off season'', before he start getting in contest shape. real off season for him he weights 215lbs with 18inches
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22 and half ''off season'', before he start getting in contest shape. real off season for him he weights 215lbs with 18inches
are you bro in the know, or named Earl perhaps
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are you bro in the know, or named Earl perhaps
my name is Earl
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the reason why he wont come back is because phil heath is a better version on levrone, slightly narrower, levrone had a better chest and abs but heath has calves, better hams, quads, back, forearms, arms...
Isnt Kevrone alot taller than Heath?
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No. Both are 5'9
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No. Both are 5'9
Really? I always thought he was taller, he looked exactly the same height as Wheeler, Yates, Ronnie, when they competed.
When Levrone stood next to Shawn or Dex, he was a lot taller than both.
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Really? I always thought he was taller, he looked exactly the same height as Wheeler, Yates, Ronnie, when they competed.
None of those guys are taller than 5'9".
I remember when Wheeler used to claim he was 5'11" and a 1/2. LOL. :D
Nowadays, he says he's 5'9" and 3/4.
Still funny.
Ronnie still lives under the delusion that he's 5'11"+. ::)
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None of those guys are taller than 5'9".
I remember when Wheeler used to claim he was 5'11" and a 1/2. LOL. :D
Nowadays, he says he's 5'9" and 3/4.
Still funny.
Ronnie still lives under the delusion that he's 5'11"+. ::)
I know Ronnie is a legit 5'10(I was taller than him by 2 inches) . I use to see him a lot in the early 2000's when he was in his prime.
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(http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af242/BODYBUILDINGGOD/levrone.jpg)
(http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/R8dXkHTA_eE/0.jpg)
Hahahahahahaaha!!! Arnold's a fucking fraud. 23 inches my ass just like Flex Wheeler. No where near 23.
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no more fckin PMs on this sheit ::) I alread told you when I measured Levronasses arms back in his peadk,,,
you guys are fcking clowns,,,to think levrone had 24inch arms,,,at his peak when we measured them they wree only 22inchs off season,,,ha ha ha,,,,levrone the ilulusion master,,old lady swindler,,does it again to getbiggers,,next you guys will buy his ridiculous supplement line
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no one have 24 inches guns contest shape except if theres a shitload of synthol in there. when he said ''24inch guns baby' in m3, it was just for the show ;D
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Isnt Kevrone alot taller than Heath?
I would say that Kevin is a strong 5'9 while Phil is a weak 5'9. In other words, Kevin is slightly to the north of 5'9 while Phil is slightly to the south of 5'9. Phil at 265 and far leaner than me at 175. ;D
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I would say that Kevin is a strong 5'9 while Phil is a weak 5'9. In other words, Kevin is slightly to the north of 5'9 while Phil is slightly to the south of 5'9. Phil at 265 and far leaner than me at 175. ;D
well, you are not a pro bber...
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Guys,
a 20 inch arm is enormous! 21 is incredible, 22 is out of this world, 23 aint gonna happen unless you are Lou Ferrigno he's the only pro bber I believe to have ever had 22+ in arms. 24 does not exist. Im talking pro bbers, contest/off season, whatever. no 23 inch arm, never mind 24!
all this shit started in the 60's when everyone all of a sudden had 19/20 inch arms, then in the book pumping iron Arnold had 22's, Franco had 19's ::)...
then FLEX tells us Wheeler has 21's, Dillet 23's Mattarazzo fucking 24's.. cmon. 24 inches is the size of a thigh. And everyone, has 20 inch plus arms.
I'll find the pics Ive got of Ray Mentzer and Eddie Robinson's life size shots of their 20 inch arms, very, very offseason. Eddies arms are the size of his head there.
Ask Steve Namat what his arms measure in contest shape, ask Bob what his (huge) arms were at their biggest, and his comments on this topic.
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Guys,
a 20 inch arm is enormous! 21 is incredible, 22 is out of this world, 23 aint gonna happen unless you are Lou Ferrigno he's the only pro bber I believe to have ever had 22+ in arms. 24 does not exist. Im talking pro bbers, contest/off season, whatever. no 23 inch arm, never mind 24!
all this shit started in the 60's when everyone all of a sudden had 19/20 inch arms, then in the book pumping iron Arnold had 22's, Franco had 19's ::)...
then FLEX tells us Wheeler has 21's, Dillet 23's Mattarazzo fucking 24's.. cmon. 24 inches is the size of a thigh. And everyone, has 20 inch plus arms.
I'll find the pics Ive got of Ray Mentzer and Eddie Robinson's life size shots of their 20 inch arms, very, very offseason. Eddies arms are the size of his head there.
Ask Steve Namat what his arms measure in contest shape, ask Bob what his (huge) arms were at their biggest, and his comments on this topic.
Mattarazzo never had 24's, plus he had the "sausage arms", they lacked "pop" and detail...And no way could they have been bigger than Dillett's, whose arms dwarfed Mattarazzo's. I can believe Flex's at 21s, because he had more mass in his arms than other parts of him...actually, his arms matched up or were bigger than Dorian's, but Dorian was massively bigger all over than Wheeler. I think it has more to do with body composition....like two women weighing the same, and same height, but one having bigger breasts and butt.
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I would say that Kevin is a strong 5'9 while Phil is a weak 5'9. In other words, Kevin is slightly to the north of 5'9 while Phil is slightly to the south of 5'9. Phil at 265 and far leaner than me at 175. ;D
And how tall are you Matt?
Maybe Kevrone is 176 cm and Phil Heath is 174 cm.
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Guys,
a 20 inch arm is enormous! 21 is incredible, 22 is out of this world, 23 aint gonna happen unless you are Lou Ferrigno he's the only pro bber I believe to have ever had 22+ in arms. 24 does not exist. Im talking pro bbers, contest/off season, whatever. no 23 inch arm, never mind 24!
all this shit started in the 60's when everyone all of a sudden had 19/20 inch arms, then in the book pumping iron Arnold had 22's, Franco had 19's ::)...
then FLEX tells us Wheeler has 21's, Dillet 23's Mattarazzo fucking 24's.. cmon. 24 inches is the size of a thigh. And everyone, has 20 inch plus arms.
I'll find the pics Ive got of Ray Mentzer and Eddie Robinson's life size shots of their 20 inch arms, very, very offseason. Eddies arms are the size of his head there.
Ask Steve Namat what his arms measure in contest shape, ask Bob what his (huge) arms were at their biggest, and his comments on this topic.
Khan had Legit 24 and now above 23.
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Khan had Legit 24 and now above 23.
how do you know for sure? Its my opinion, dont expect anyone to care, but I dont believe Khans arms to be even 22
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how do you know for sure? Its my opinion, dont expect anyone to care, but I dont believe Khans arms to be even 22
Khan is probably the most honest guy Ever if you ask him resonable questions...
PRobably just over 23 inches here with the tape measure on right and tight
(http://www.powperformancegear.com/images/zack-khan.jpg)
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Khan is probably the most honest guy Ever if you ask him resonable questions...
PRobably just over 23 inches here with the tape measure on right and tight
(http://www.powperformancegear.com/images/zack-khan.jpg)
I know youre a big fan, and those are fucking great arms, but Im still sceptical.
Also not back-peddling, but the extensive use of seo's has taken things to a new dimension, hey? No way Khan and Heath, even Levrone arent/werent injecting synthol. We got Wheeler to thank for that
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Khan is probably the most honest guy Ever if you ask him resonable questions...
PRobably just over 23 inches here with the tape measure on right and tight
(http://www.powperformancegear.com/images/zack-khan.jpg)
If that tape was tight and perpendicular to his humerus (instead of diagonal across his tricep) Khan's (offseason) arms would tape out somewhere either a little under 22'' or maybe even as much as a little over 22''.
Think that puts some perspective into these recent "Suchandsuch's arms are 24" threads.
The Luke
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i'd say his right arm was 21 inches, left 20 inches
(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/horton/images/06FLEXat0267.jpg)(http://www.flexonline.com/photogalleries/10superstar/mader/images/IMG_7568.jpg)
phil heath and him are similar height/weight..
Your joking right? Ahhh now I know why i dont come to this stupid fucking board anymore.
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If that tape was tight and perpendicular to his humerus (instead of diagonal across his tricep) Khan's (offseason) arms would tape out somewhere either a little under 22'' or maybe even as much as a little over 22''.
Think that puts some perspective into these recent "Suchandsuch's arms are 24" threads.
The Luke
I gotta ask. What would Bigfoot's arms measure, if you had to guess? ;D
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I gotta ask. What would Bigfoot's arms measure, if you had to guess? ;D
BigDicked Bobs has this information.
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If that tape was tight and perpendicular to his humerus (instead of diagonal across his tricep) Khan's (offseason) arms would tape out somewhere either a little under 22'' or maybe even as much as a little over 22''.
Think that puts some perspective into these recent "Suchandsuch's arms are 24" threads.
The Luke
Oh shutup you idiot that tape isn't going to be the cause of a 2 inch discrepancy.
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If that tape was tight and perpendicular to his humerus (instead of diagonal across his tricep) Khan's (offseason) arms would tape out somewhere either a little under 22'' or maybe even as much as a little over 22''.
Think that puts some perspective into these recent "Suchandsuch's arms are 24" threads.
The Luke
oh brother you seemed to be consumed with arm jealousy you formula is BULLSHIT and I've proven it two women both 160 one has huge brests and ass and the other has small breasts and no ass people are built different ways some guys carry a lot of mass on their arms even if they aren't heavy pumped my arms are 20 inches and I'm talking a CUT. 20 inches not fat and that's natural My arms are Nothing compared to these guys Coleman dillet in particular I have no doubt ha. Arms stratching the tape 23 - 24 inches get over it u just saw a pic of khan measuring his arms at 23 plus inches and your still talking nonsense dude ease
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oh brother you seemed to be consumed with arm jealousy you formula is BULLSHIT and I've proven it two women both 160 one has huge brests and ass and the other has small breasts and no ass people are built different ways some guys carry a lot of mass on their arms even if they aren't heavy pumped my arms are 20 inches and I'm talking a CUT. 20 inches not fat and that's natural My arms are Nothing compared to these guys Coleman dillet in particular I have no doubt ha. Arms stratching the tape 23 - 24 inches get over it u just saw a pic of khan measuring his arms at 23 plus inches and your still talking nonsense dude ease
Yeah, some girls have fat asses... therefore basic math is wrong.
I'm convinced.
The Luke
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I love GETBIG... a bunch of guys arguing over how many inches a pro bodybuilders arms are LOL
-A DUB
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And by your theory all women weighing a certain weight should have only a certain breast size and not above uh .... Ok at the end of the day I have big arms and the genetics for easy arm growth so I am more than quialified to talk about about potential arm size you have your math formulas ... Let's leave it at that
mes
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Guys,
a 20 inch arm is enormous! 21 is incredible, 22 is out of this world, 23 aint gonna happen unless you are Lou Ferrigno he's the only pro bber I believe to have ever had 22+ in arms. 24 does not exist. Im talking pro bbers, contest/off season, whatever. no 23 inch arm, never mind 24!
all this shit started in the 60's when everyone all of a sudden had 19/20 inch arms, then in the book pumping iron Arnold had 22's, Franco had 19's ::)...
then FLEX tells us Wheeler has 21's, Dillet 23's Mattarazzo fucking 24's.. cmon. 24 inches is the size of a thigh. And everyone, has 20 inch plus arms.
I'll find the pics Ive got of Ray Mentzer and Eddie Robinson's life size shots of their 20 inch arms, very, very offseason. Eddies arms are the size of his head there.
Ask Steve Namat what his arms measure in contest shape, ask Bob what his (huge) arms were at their biggest, and his comments on this topic.
Paul Dillet had 23-24 arms....
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Look the difference in size between Ronnie`s and Kevin`s arms...this pic say it all...24 inch Levrone`s arms no way!!!
Way to go and find a pic of Kev at 230 pounds... Try and find one from 1997 or 1998...
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Paul Dillet had 23-24 arms....
And a 30 inch Head.
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And by your theory all women weighing a certain weight should have only a certain breast size and not above uh .... Ok at the end of the day I have big arms and the genetics for easy arm growth so I am more than quialified to talk about about potential arm size you have your math formulas ... Let's leave it at that
mes
You=TEG
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And by your theory all women weighing a certain weight should have only a certain breast size and not above uh .... Ok at the end of the day I have big arms and the genetics for easy arm growth so I am more than quialified to talk about about potential arm size you have your math formulas ... Let's leave it at that
mes
You can't use facts or logic to get through to teh Luke ;D
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All pros are 6' tall with 24" guns and 28" waists. ::)
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You can't use facts or logic to get through to teh Luke ;D
ha ha you have to use math
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And by your theory all women weighing a certain weight should have only a certain breast size and not above uh .... Ok at the end of the day I have big arms and the genetics for easy arm growth so I am more than quialified to talk about about potential arm size you have your math formulas ... Let's leave it at that
mes
Yeah, sorry, I'm wrong...
After all there are two different vids of a 300 lb Ronnie taping his arms at 21.7''... so his arms were obviously 24'', 'cos he was 400 lbs @10% bf offseason.
Similarly, mesomorph78's arms are obviously the 20'' he claims... after all he posted a vid of his arms being taped at 18.6'', and he's gained 60 lbs of muscle in the last two years.
Get real guys.
The Luke
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20 inches pumped 19 5 to 19.7 cold I've stopped puttin up recent stuff of myself because I began to realise it just starts stupid arguments so I only post up training vids since you so belive in your theory and I'm a liar a wager ? We both paypal 100 dollars to a reliable get Bigger if I do t put up a video of my arms over 19.5 cold and 20 inches pumped you keep the money if I do put up the video I get the money to give to a charity of my choice. What say you mathematical luke
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but are your arms 5% bodyfat and are you 5'9?
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20 inches pumped 19 5 to 19.7 cold I've stopped puttin up recent stuff of myself because I began to realise it just starts stupid arguments so I only post up training vids since you so belive in your theory and I'm a liar a wager ? We both paypal 100 dollars to a reliable get Bigger if I do t put up a video of my arms over 19.5 cold and 20 inches pumped you keep the money if I do put up the video I get the money to give to a charity of my choice. What say you mathematical luke
You already had a vid up showing your arms to be 18.6''.
Have you gained 25 lbs of muscle since then? A 20'' arm usually means a lean 250 lbs bodyweight.
The Luke
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To be fair I probably put that vid up in 2007 since then I've put a inch on my arm what is so unbelievable about that I work damn hard in the gym??? So pumped 20 inch cold 19.6 ..... And no I don't need to be 250 to have that size arms ...genetics my friend same as you can have a guy 50 or 70 PBS lighter who make my calves look like babies anyway are u taking the wager yes or no
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To be fair I probably put that vid up in 2007 since then I've put a inch on my arm what is so unbelievable about that I work damn hard in the gym??? So pumped 20 inch cold 19.6 ..... And no I don't need to be 250 to have that size arms ...genetics my friend same as you can have a guy 50 or 70 PBS lighter who make my calves look like babies anyway are u taking the wager yes or no
Sorry dude... but you actually really do need to be 250ish to have a 20'' arm.
Not interested in putting up money on a video that will involve a skewed diagonal measurement or a pinned tape.
But feel free to back up your claim of being the only guy on the planet with such good arm genetics.
The Luke
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20 inches pumped and there is what's wrong with society today people can spout of at the mouth with no accountability in the old days call someone a liar and it's a showdown at sunset in these days any pencil necked geek can sit behind a computer and spew any garbage but put him on the spot and he folds like a cheap deck of cards in Vegas .... And no I don't have the best arm genetics but I have good enough genetics to know that phil Heath Coleman dillet etc can have enormous arms ok luke u keep your formula I'll keep my arms believe what you will... Good day
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20 inches pumped and there is what's wrong with society today people can spout of at the mouth with no accountability in the old days call someone a liar and it's a showdown at sunset in these days any pencil necked geek can sit behind a computer and spew any garbage but put him on the spot and he folds like a cheap deck of cards in Vegas .... And no I don't have the best arm genetics but I have good enough genetics to know that phil Heath Coleman dillet etc can have enormous arms ok luke u keep your formula I'll keep my arms believe what you will... Good day
...or you could prove your claim and really "own" me?
The Luke
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20 inches pumped and there is what's wrong with society today people can spout of at the mouth with no accountability in the old days call someone a liar and it's a showdown at sunset in these days any pencil necked geek can sit behind a computer and spew any garbage but put him on the spot and he folds like a cheap deck of cards in Vegas .... And no I don't have the best arm genetics but I have good enough genetics to know that phil Heath Coleman dillet etc can have enormous arms ok luke u keep your formula I'll keep my arms believe what you will... Good day
The luke has zero credibility on this board..i don't know why you waste you time addressing him.
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The luke has zero credibility on this board..i don't know why you waste you time addressing him.
...yes, why prove anything? Why be bounded by reality or math? Let's ALL have 24'' arms.
The Luke
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jesus! another arm genetic freak with 20inch guns at a lean bodyweight, NATURAL :o :o :o ::)
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jesus! another arm genetic freak with 20inch guns at a lean bodyweight, NATURAL :o :o :o ::)
This board is full of them. But they never need to PROVE it to the doubters.
The Luke
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It's the unique separation and muscle bellies in these guys arms that give the appearance of size, you'd have to be an idiot to believe half of the myths.
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...or you could prove your claim and really "own" me?
The Luke
own you dude I'm a grown man I dont need to own anyone ....
How old are you??? Dude my track record speaks for it's self I'm a grown man people who do know me personally on here know the deal .. Keep your formula I'll keep my arms ... Until you are ready to wager we really have nothing to discuss .
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To be fair I probably put that vid up in 2007 since then I've put a inch on my arm what is so unbelievable about that I work damn hard in the gym??? So pumped 20 inch cold 19.6 ..... And no I don't need to be 250 to have that size arms ...genetics my friend same as you can have a guy 50 or 70 PBS lighter who make my calves look like babies anyway are u taking the wager yes or no
Now you admit you are all genetics.
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Sorry dude... but you actually really do need to be 250ish to have a 20'' arm.
Not interested in putting up money on a video that will involve a skewed diagonal measurement or a pinned tape.
But feel free to back up your claim of being the only guy on the planet with such good arm genetics.
The Luke
luke whats with your theory? some guys are skinny as fuck but have huge calves, why should arms be any different?
here you see pat bateman with 17 inchers
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luke whats with your theory? some guys are skinny as fuck but have huge calves, why should arms be any different?
here you see pat bateman with 17 inchers
Pat Bateman is awesome. That was a great scene. lol
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luke whats with your theory? some guys are skinny as fuck but have huge calves, why should arms be any different?
here you see pat bateman with 17 inchers
::) He's a skinny guy, with a good separation. Not 17 inches.
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Pat Bateman is awesome. That was a great scene. lol
That screen shot looks like a big black dude's forearm and he is palming dude's head, lol!!! Look at it...
But yeah, that scene was good.
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Now you admit you are all genetics.
plus hard work have u seen my training clips I work dammmn hard even if I don't quite have to who knows I'd probably be even bigger if I took it easy I've seen a pic of ur calves huge even if I worked out every day for the next ten yrs on calve only you would still have bigger calves
so I guess that means ur a genetic freak too... What I'm sayin everyone has their strength and weaknesses pal my strength is my whole upperbody chest traps delts arms grow fast ... But back to the topic Some of these guys do indeed have enormous arms which do fit the measurement Coleman dillet etc I have no doubt that they stretch that tape to 24
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plus hard work have u seen my training clips I work dammmn hard even if I don't quite have to who knows I'd probably be even bigger if I took it easy I've seen a pic of ur calves huge even if I worked out every day for the next ten yrs on calve only you would still have bigger calves
so I guess that means ur a genetic freak too... What I'm sayin everyone has their strength and weaknesses pal my strength is my whole upperbody chest traps delts arms grow fast ... But back to the topic Some of these guys do indeed have enormous arms which do fit the measurement Coleman dillet etc I have no doubt that they stretch that tape to 24
That would make them bigger than Valentino's... and 20'' would make yours bigger than Arnold's.
Not calling you a deliberate liar Mesomorph78, but maybe you should tape your arms properly?
No pro bodybuilder has a genuine 24'' arm... generally speaking you'd have to be a lean 280 lbs at 5'8''-5'10'' to have even 22'' arms.
The Luke
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Dude I don't care what measurement Arnold had what does that have to me ???
I know how to measure arms if u see my old vid posted of me measuring my arms u will see that and yes they are 19.6 cold 20 pumped I'm not the only one here with big arms groink ursus and so forth I have no need to lie.
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Pat Bateman is awesome. That was a great scene. lol
He also looked fantastic :D
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mesmorph but are you 5'8 - 5'10 at 5% bodyfat?
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mesmorph but are you 5'8 - 5'10 at 5% bodyfat?
no 5'11 and I'm between 7-9%
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this guy's are 22"..and the tape isnt even going around the largest point. theyd have to be 23".
and he's got nuttin on many of the pros.
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Dude I don't care what measurement Arnold had what does that have to me ???
I know how to measure arms if u see my old vid posted of me measuring my arms u will see that and yes they are 19.6 cold 20 pumped I'm not the only one here with big arms groink ursus and so forth I have no need to lie.
Didn't that vid you posted (never seen it) show your arms to be 18.6'' pumped...?
A 20'' arm is 16% bigger than an 18.6'' arm (ratio of the squares)... did you gain 30+ lbs of pure muscle to go along with that arm increase?
What Ahnuld's arms have to do with this debate is a matter of perspective... Arnold claimed he had 22'' arms at contest time weighing 235 lbs. In reality, he actually barely stretched the tape to 20'' in the off-season at 250 lbs... and Arnold was all upper body, with arms that weren't equalled till the 90s.
In reality... where the rest of us live, mesomorph78... no one under 200 lbs has a 20'' arm; no one under 240 lbs has a 21'' arm (except maybe Lee Priest); no one under 280 lbs has a 22'' arm... on top of this NO ONE can pump their arm up a full half inch; an eighth of an inch to maybe a quarter of an inch is realistic, and your arms pump up less as you get bigger (not more).
I doubt you can pump up your arms more than half an inch... you'd need 12'' arms to see that type of circumference change. Over 18'' a pump adds maybe a quarter inch.
I doubt you have even 19'' arms... you'd need to be 240ish lbs to have that kind of measurement.
I doubt you have 20'' arms... because you don't weigh 250+ lbs.
I doubt Ronnie Coleman ever had 24'' arms... because a 6' tall silverback mountain gorilla (not a racist barb) can't match that measurement till his bodyweight exceeds FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY POUNDS.
I'm happy here in reality... you're happy with your self-delusion... everybody's happy.
The Luke
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Thanks for posting that let's hear what luke has to say
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this guy's are 22"..and the tape isnt even going around the largest point. theyd have to be 23".
and he's got nuttin on many of the pros.
Quite some "gayness" in that vid though stu.
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Why the essay luke I already said keep ur mathematical formulas when I stretch the tape around my arm and see it go up to 20 inches pumped that there is where I get my satisfaction u get satisfaction from your formulas keep them
and I will keep my arms... If really believed surley by now you would have dropped the subject
going forward my advice to you would be when your going to make a bold statement that takes into account 6billion people ad a clause which should be IN MY OPINION. No one has x sized arms. Don't talon as if what your saying is a universal truth or fact because it isn't
and if you think it is fact then u can't lose AGREE to the wager till then close your mouth about what you don't have
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pics of said 20 inch 7% bodyfat arm?
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pics of said 20 inch 7% bodyfat arm?
You can't prove your arm is 20'' if it isn't... better to simply hang your hat on some silly precondition and then pretend you're above it all.
The Luke
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Luke can you tell me how much bigger a 17 inch arm is to a 18 and to a 19 and too a 20. Whats the maths?
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my arms are quite bigger now
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Luke can you tell me how much bigger a 17 inch arm is to a 18 and to a 19 and too a 20. Whats the maths?
Just a ratio of the squares...
Circumference = 2pi x radius
radius = Circumference/2pi
Area = pi x (radius)2 = pi x (Circumference/2pi)2
Ratio of two upper arm cross-sectional areas: Areas1/Area2 = (pi x Circumference12)/4pi2 ...divided by... (pi x Circumference22)/4pi2
...sorry I can't do a proper equation with this text editor.
Cancel all the identical terms above and below: Area1/Area2 = Circumference12/Circumference22
...it doesn't matter if you measure in inches or centimetres or parsecs.
So:
...to go from 14'' to 15'' you have to increase your upper arm 14.8% ...because 152/142 = 225/196 = 1.148 = 14.8% increase
...to go from 15'' to 16'' you have to increase your upper arm 13.8%
...to go from 16'' to 17'' you have to increase your upper arm 12.9%
...to go from 17'' to 18'' you have to increase your upper arm 12.1%
...to go from 18'' to 19'' you have to increase your upper arm 11.4%
...to go from 19'' to 20'' you have to increase your upper arm 10.8%
...to go from 20'' to 21'' you have to increase your upper arm 10.3%
...to go from 21'' to 22'' you have to increase your upper arm 9.8%
...to go from 22'' to 23'' you have to increase your upper arm 9.3%
...to go from 23'' to 24'' you have to increase your upper arm 8.9%
...so while it may seem that it gets easier and easier to increase arm size, remember those are slightly decreasing percentage increases of an ever escalating bodyweight. Bodyweight increases faster than the incremental percentage increase in upper arm cross-section. You gotta get much bigger to add an inch to your arms.
Compare the difference between a 15'' arm (able to curl 100 lbs) and a 24'' arm: a 156% increase
Assuming direct strength correlation, a 24'' arm should be able to curl 250 to 300 lbs strictly... how may of these 24'' armed pros can actually do that?
Now let's consider a simple direct relationship between arm size and lean bodyweight using those crude percentages, maybe it might work:
15'' arm assumed to be 150 lbs of solid muscle ...everyone can agree with this, it holds for most average build average height non-trainers
16'' arm would go with 171 lbs ...which surprisingly matches most middleweights mass/measurement ratio
17'' arm would go with 193 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the mass/measurement ratio for most 202 competitors, and Franco Colombu
18'' arm would go with 216 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the verified mass/measurement ratio for most 1970s competitors
19'' arm would go with 241 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Schwarzenegger's verified mass/measurement ratio
20'' arm would go with 267 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Dorian Yates' verified (offseason '93) mass/measurement ratio
21'' arm would go with 294 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Lou Ferrigno's verified mass/measurement ratio
22'' arm would go with 323 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Ronnie's VERIFIED mass/measurement ratio
...do we dare to extrapolate a little further after all this direct correlation showing just how right the math is?
23'' arm would go with 353 lbs ...a measurement claimed by a contest ready 225 lb Flex Wheeler (oh borther)
24'' arm would go with 384 lbs ...the measurement you tools ascribe to Ronnie Coleman: 384 lbs at about 10% bf
Hope this explains my reasoning to all those interested. I'm not pulling numbers out of my ass... these simple ratios (with some minor corrections) not only hold for humans, but also for our closest relatives: chimpanzees; orangs and gorillas.
There are occasionally the odd mutant with unusual proportions/attachments who can measure a full inch or so outside of the scale (Lee Priest comes to mind: 21.5'' arms at 240 lbs) but such deviations are so obvious that the physique is seemingly dominated by the upper arms (Priest is obviously somewhat dwarfed and "all arms" for example).
NO ONE... repeat NO ONE... no one measures 2'' outside the scale... it just doesn't happen.
You guys have all been brainwashed by FLEX Magazine's policy of instilling unrealistic expectations in teenage boys.
Don't believe the hype.
The Luke
(sorry for the long post)
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Im no expert, Luke, your formula is usually correct, but there are a lot of exceptions, but how did you formulate that the exceptions cant get over 2 inch in size? You just cant, arms are no different than any other bodypart like calves, how is it possible that a 180p guy can have 20 inch calves and a 240p guy cant get them bigger than 19 inch? Flex wheeler had huge arms when flexed. Your argument is is not valid come on, meso will tape his arms pumped at 20 inch and he will show you on video that the tape is correct.
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Im no expert, Luke, your formula is usually correct, but there are a lot of exceptions, but how did you formulate that the exceptions cant get over 2 inch in size? You just cant, arms are no different than any other bodypart like calves, how is it possible that a 180p guy can have 20 inch calves and a 240p guy cant get them bigger than 19 inch? Flex wheeler had huge arms when flexed. Your argument is is not valid come on, meso will tape his arms pumped at 20 inch and he will show you on video that the tape is correct.
The formla is (roughly) correct (for guys of average height).
No one weighing 180 lbs has genuine 20'' calves.
Flex Wheeler's arms only got outside the scale I presented when he filled them with oil.
My argument is valid.
...and no he won't, cause he can't.
The Luke
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If ur so sure luke wager ??? ;)
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Just a ratio of the squares...
Circumference = 2pi x radius
radius = Circumference/2pi
Area = pi x (radius)2 = pi x (Circumference/2pi)2
Ratio of two upper arm cross-sectional areas: Areas1/Area2 = (pi x Circumference12)/4pi2 ...divided by... (pi x Circumference22)/4pi2
...sorry I can't do a proper equation with this text editor.
Cancel all the identical terms above and below: Area1/Area2 = Circumference12/Circumference22
...it doesn't matter if you measure in inches or centimetres or parsecs.
So:
...to go from 14'' to 15'' you have to increase your upper arm 14.8% ...because 152/142 = 225/196 = 1.148 = 14.8% increase
...to go from 15'' to 16'' you have to increase your upper arm 13.8%
...to go from 16'' to 17'' you have to increase your upper arm 12.9%
...to go from 17'' to 18'' you have to increase your upper arm 12.1%
...to go from 18'' to 19'' you have to increase your upper arm 11.4%
...to go from 19'' to 20'' you have to increase your upper arm 10.8%
...to go from 20'' to 21'' you have to increase your upper arm 10.3%
...to go from 21'' to 22'' you have to increase your upper arm 9.8%
...to go from 22'' to 23'' you have to increase your upper arm 9.3%
...to go from 23'' to 24'' you have to increase your upper arm 8.9%
...so while it may seem that it gets easier and easier to increase arm size, remember those are slightly decreasing percentage increases of an ever escalating bodyweight. Bodyweight increases faster than the incremental percentage increase in upper arm cross-section. You gotta get much bigger to add an inch to your arms.
Compare the difference between a 15'' arm (able to curl 100 lbs) and a 24'' arm: a 156% increase
Assuming direct strength correlation, a 24'' arm should be able to curl 250 to 300 lbs strictly... how may of these 24'' armed pros can actually do that?
Now let's consider a simple direct relationship between arm size and lean bodyweight using those crude percentages, maybe it might work:
15'' arm assumed to be 150 lbs of solid muscle ...everyone can agree with this, it holds for most average build average height non-trainers
16'' arm would go with 171 lbs ...which surprisingly matches most middleweights mass/measurement ratio
17'' arm would go with 193 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the mass/measurement ratio for most 202 competitors, and Franco Colombu
18'' arm would go with 216 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the verified mass/measurement ratio for most 1970s competitors
19'' arm would go with 241 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Schwarzenegger's verified mass/measurement ratio
20'' arm would go with 267 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Dorian Yates' verified (offseason '93) mass/measurement ratio
21'' arm would go with 294 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Lou Ferrigno's verified mass/measurement ratio
22'' arm would go with 323 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Ronnie's VERIFIED mass/measurement ratio
...do we dare to extrapolate a little further after all this direct correlation showing just how right the math is?
23'' arm would go with 353 lbs ...a measurement claimed by a contest ready 225 lb Flex Wheeler (oh borther)
24'' arm would go with 384 lbs ...the measurement you tools ascribe to Ronnie Coleman: 384 lbs at about 10% bf
Hope this explains my reasoning to all those interested. I'm not pulling numbers out of my ass... these simple ratios (with some minor corrections) not only hold for humans, but also for our closest relatives: chimpanzees; orangs and gorillas.
There are occasionally the odd mutant with unusual proportions/attachments who can measure a full inch or so outside of the scale (Lee Priest comes to mind: 21.5'' arms at 240 lbs) but such deviations are so obvious that the physique is seemingly dominated by the upper arms (Priest is obviously somewhat dwarfed and "all arms" for example).
NO ONE... repeat NO ONE... no one measures 2'' outside the scale... it just doesn't happen.
You guys have all been brainwashed by FLEX Magazine's policy of instilling unrealistic expectations in teenage boys.
Don't believe the hype.
The Luke
(sorry for the long post)
Dude I'm actually starting to think you're crazy!!
As Meso said, do u genuinely believe that ur silly formula applies to EVERY man on the planet with no exceptions??
Complete lunacy.
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Dude I'm actually starting to think you're crazy!!
As Meso said, do u genuinely believe that ur silly formula applies to EVERY man on the planet with no exceptions??
Complete lunacy.
Going by Teh Luke's logic, a shorter / lighter woman can never have a bigger butt or breasts than a taller / heavier woman. I've never seen so much obfuscation and unnecessary complication of a simple arm measurement, by introducing factors like circumference and surface area.
It's like there are 2 roads, one longer and one shorter. But rather than simply say that, Teh Luke will introduce needless new variables like cars traveling on that road, their fuel efficiency and driver hand-eye co-ordination to try and make an argument for the short road being longer, when the plain measurement proves it simply and otherwise.
Eric Fankhouser has bigger calves than the taller, heavier Toney Freeman, just like Lee Priest has bigger arms than the taller, heavier Dan Hill, just to give a couple of examples. How dare those bastards fall out of line with Teh Luke's logical, "mathematically sound" blanket statement >:( ::)
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Ha ha ha ha kiwol they will have to be punished
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We agree ronnie had the biggest arms, cant recall anyone else that were that big, maybe kovacs, luke's formula is not always accurate, but we need to keep this real, his arm cant be bigger than 22,5 inch there, you know how ridiculous a 24 inch not fat arm would look like, thats 61 cm, not in this lifetime. If khan taped his arm right it cant get to 23 inch, probably 22,5 inch pumped max.
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luke is refering to NATURALS,,,no hormones,,,,based on his calculations YES luke fella is right on his weight,,,but yout throw hormones into it and your porportions go out style,,,I told him already ronnie coleman came in metrofelx dobson and I measured arm at 18inchs already all natural at 210lbs,,,,this was back in early 90s then after a year of hormone use his arms jumped to 21inchs his offseason was 240lbs back then,,,but he jumped more porportionally with GH,,,his arms went out of control at 310lbs off season they mearsured 23.5inches that was his best with a PUMP!!!!! HE HAD PUMP TO GET THAT MEASUREMENT,,,BUT NO COLD PUMP HE IS 22.75INCHS OR SO,,,,,VERY LARGE EITHER WAY,,,BUT LUKES MEASUREMENT IS FOR NATURALS ONLY,,,,
Going by Teh Luke's logic, a shorter / lighter woman can never have a bigger butt or breasts than a taller / heavier woman. I've never seen so much obfuscation and unnecessary complication of a simple arm measurement, by introducing factors like circumference and surface area.
It's like there are 2 roads, one longer and one shorter. But rather than simply say that, Teh Luke will introduce needless new variables like cars traveling on that road, their fuel efficiency and driver hand-eye co-ordination to try and make an argument for the short road being longer, when the plain measurement proves it simply and otherwise.
Eric Fankhouser has bigger calves than the taller, heavier Toney Freeman, just like Lee Priest has bigger arms than the taller, heavier Dan Hill, just to give a couple of examples. How dare those bastards fall out of line with Teh Luke's logical, "mathematically sound" blanket statement >:( ::)
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Dude I'm actually starting to think you're crazy!!
As Meso said, do u genuinely believe that ur silly formula applies to EVERY man on the planet with no exceptions??
Complete lunacy.
I think those formulas atleast show what difference there is between 24 and 22 inches. It would be better if people stopped shrugging the 2 inch differential off as if it could be gained during offseason, or lost during diet just like that.
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Just a ratio of the squares...
Circumference = 2pi x radius
radius = Circumference/2pi
Area = pi x (radius)2 = pi x (Circumference/2pi)2
Ratio of two upper arm cross-sectional areas: Areas1/Area2 = (pi x Circumference12)/4pi2 ...divided by... (pi x Circumference22)/4pi2
...sorry I can't do a proper equation with this text editor.
Cancel all the identical terms above and below: Area1/Area2 = Circumference12/Circumference22
...it doesn't matter if you measure in inches or centimetres or parsecs.
So:
...to go from 14'' to 15'' you have to increase your upper arm 14.8% ...because 152/142 = 225/196 = 1.148 = 14.8% increase
...to go from 15'' to 16'' you have to increase your upper arm 13.8%
...to go from 16'' to 17'' you have to increase your upper arm 12.9%
...to go from 17'' to 18'' you have to increase your upper arm 12.1%
...to go from 18'' to 19'' you have to increase your upper arm 11.4%
...to go from 19'' to 20'' you have to increase your upper arm 10.8%
...to go from 20'' to 21'' you have to increase your upper arm 10.3%
...to go from 21'' to 22'' you have to increase your upper arm 9.8%
...to go from 22'' to 23'' you have to increase your upper arm 9.3%
...to go from 23'' to 24'' you have to increase your upper arm 8.9%
...so while it may seem that it gets easier and easier to increase arm size, remember those are slightly decreasing percentage increases of an ever escalating bodyweight. Bodyweight increases faster than the incremental percentage increase in upper arm cross-section. You gotta get much bigger to add an inch to your arms.
Compare the difference between a 15'' arm (able to curl 100 lbs) and a 24'' arm: a 156% increase
Assuming direct strength correlation, a 24'' arm should be able to curl 250 to 300 lbs strictly... how may of these 24'' armed pros can actually do that?
Now let's consider a simple direct relationship between arm size and lean bodyweight using those crude percentages, maybe it might work:
15'' arm assumed to be 150 lbs of solid muscle ...everyone can agree with this, it holds for most average build average height non-trainers
16'' arm would go with 171 lbs ...which surprisingly matches most middleweights mass/measurement ratio
17'' arm would go with 193 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the mass/measurement ratio for most 202 competitors, and Franco Colombu
18'' arm would go with 216 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the verified mass/measurement ratio for most 1970s competitors
19'' arm would go with 241 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Schwarzenegger's verified mass/measurement ratio
20'' arm would go with 267 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Dorian Yates' verified (offseason '93) mass/measurement ratio
21'' arm would go with 294 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Lou Ferrigno's verified mass/measurement ratio
22'' arm would go with 323 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Ronnie's VERIFIED mass/measurement ratio
...do we dare to extrapolate a little further after all this direct correlation showing just how right the math is?
23'' arm would go with 353 lbs ...a measurement claimed by a contest ready 225 lb Flex Wheeler (oh borther)
24'' arm would go with 384 lbs ...the measurement you tools ascribe to Ronnie Coleman: 384 lbs at about 10% bf
Hope this explains my reasoning to all those interested. I'm not pulling numbers out of my ass... these simple ratios (with some minor corrections) not only hold for humans, but also for our closest relatives: chimpanzees; orangs and gorillas.
There are occasionally the odd mutant with unusual proportions/attachments who can measure a full inch or so outside of the scale (Lee Priest comes to mind: 21.5'' arms at 240 lbs) but such deviations are so obvious that the physique is seemingly dominated by the upper arms (Priest is obviously somewhat dwarfed and "all arms" for example).
NO ONE... repeat NO ONE... no one measures 2'' outside the scale... it just doesn't happen.
You guys have all been brainwashed by FLEX Magazine's policy of instilling unrealistic expectations in teenage boys.
Don't believe the hype.
The Luke
(sorry for the long post)
like "they" say, it looks good on paper BUT...
get real, anyone that thinks a boiler plate "math" formula like that can be applied in this situation is delusional. are natty's considered in this, or are you grouping nat and chems together...? if so that pokes those figures. as far as the body lbs. goes, some people can work upper body add size while leaving legs small thus keeping overall bodyweight low,,, factor in legs and that would make the ovrall bw go up, so that knocks formula down a bit. as far as the lil curl scenario you have there,,, your not taking into account connective tissue, lig, tendns, training exp. etc., the way you have it, heavier people would be able to always outlift someone lighter in anygiven excercise. sometimes you can't measure someones heart or will. we (people that seriously train and have been doing so for years +) know that is not always true. look at oly lifters, so thats down also.
have to wonder what training exp. you have luke, build etc. because anyone with long term exp. and success (important also, as we wouldn't want to be getting info from someone disgruntled about their gains or lack of).. there are far too many variables when dealing with the human body to fit into any type of formula like that. certain instances, especially dealing with the human body can never be quantified. nice try but leave the calculations for adding up how much weight is on the bar, total sets, reps, total work poundage, etc.
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18.2% difference in size ^^^^
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Just a ratio of the squares...
Circumference = 2pi x radius
radius = Circumference/2pi
Area = pi x (radius)2 = pi x (Circumference/2pi)2
Ratio of two upper arm cross-sectional areas: Areas1/Area2 = (pi x Circumference12)/4pi2 ...divided by... (pi x Circumference22)/4pi2
...sorry I can't do a proper equation with this text editor.
Cancel all the identical terms above and below: Area1/Area2 = Circumference12/Circumference22
...it doesn't matter if you measure in inches or centimetres or parsecs.
So:
...to go from 14'' to 15'' you have to increase your upper arm 14.8% ...because 152/142 = 225/196 = 1.148 = 14.8% increase
...to go from 15'' to 16'' you have to increase your upper arm 13.8%
...to go from 16'' to 17'' you have to increase your upper arm 12.9%
...to go from 17'' to 18'' you have to increase your upper arm 12.1%
...to go from 18'' to 19'' you have to increase your upper arm 11.4%
...to go from 19'' to 20'' you have to increase your upper arm 10.8%
...to go from 20'' to 21'' you have to increase your upper arm 10.3%
...to go from 21'' to 22'' you have to increase your upper arm 9.8%
...to go from 22'' to 23'' you have to increase your upper arm 9.3%
...to go from 23'' to 24'' you have to increase your upper arm 8.9%
...so while it may seem that it gets easier and easier to increase arm size, remember those are slightly decreasing percentage increases of an ever escalating bodyweight. Bodyweight increases faster than the incremental percentage increase in upper arm cross-section. You gotta get much bigger to add an inch to your arms.
Compare the difference between a 15'' arm (able to curl 100 lbs) and a 24'' arm: a 156% increase
Assuming direct strength correlation, a 24'' arm should be able to curl 250 to 300 lbs strictly... how may of these 24'' armed pros can actually do that?
Now let's consider a simple direct relationship between arm size and lean bodyweight using those crude percentages, maybe it might work:
15'' arm assumed to be 150 lbs of solid muscle ...everyone can agree with this, it holds for most average build average height non-trainers
16'' arm would go with 171 lbs ...which surprisingly matches most middleweights mass/measurement ratio
17'' arm would go with 193 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the mass/measurement ratio for most 202 competitors, and Franco Colombu
18'' arm would go with 216 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the verified mass/measurement ratio for most 1970s competitors
19'' arm would go with 241 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Schwarzenegger's verified mass/measurement ratio
20'' arm would go with 267 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Dorian Yates' verified (offseason '93) mass/measurement ratio
21'' arm would go with 294 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Lou Ferrigno's verified mass/measurement ratio
22'' arm would go with 323 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Ronnie's VERIFIED mass/measurement ratio
...do we dare to extrapolate a little further after all this direct correlation showing just how right the math is?
23'' arm would go with 353 lbs ...a measurement claimed by a contest ready 225 lb Flex Wheeler (oh borther)
24'' arm would go with 384 lbs ...the measurement you tools ascribe to Ronnie Coleman: 384 lbs at about 10% bf
Hope this explains my reasoning to all those interested. I'm not pulling numbers out of my ass... these simple ratios (with some minor corrections) not only hold for humans, but also for our closest relatives: chimpanzees; orangs and gorillas.
There are occasionally the odd mutant with unusual proportions/attachments who can measure a full inch or so outside of the scale (Lee Priest comes to mind: 21.5'' arms at 240 lbs) but such deviations are so obvious that the physique is seemingly dominated by the upper arms (Priest is obviously somewhat dwarfed and "all arms" for example).
NO ONE... repeat NO ONE... no one measures 2'' outside the scale... it just doesn't happen.
You guys have all been brainwashed by FLEX Magazine's policy of instilling unrealistic expectations in teenage boys.
Don't believe the hype.
The Luke
(sorry for the long post)
LOLOLOLOL......what a bunch of fucking nonsense.
Luke is the biggest pseudo-intellectual moron this place has ever seen...what a tool
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Dude I'm actually starting to think you're crazy!!
As Meso said, do u genuinely believe that ur silly formula applies to EVERY man on the planet with no exceptions??
Complete lunacy.
When I was 175, I had 17 inch arms. And I wasn't a fat fuk. So I guess I threw is stats off...height has A lot to do with it, and I am 5'5.
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When I was 175, I had 17 inch arms. And I wasn't a fat fuk. So I guess I threw is stats off...height has A lot to do with it, and I am 5'5.
Exactly!
Even if you're ALL arms; and shorter than average; you can still only beat the scale by less than an inch.
NO ONE beats that scale by 2 or more inches... NO ONE.
By the way, I notice my simple extrapolation (which managed to predict pretty much every VERIFIED arm measurement for a pro bodybuilder ever), has won over a few fans... the thread title has been changed to "Levrone had 22'' arms in contest shape" from "Levrone had 24'' arms in contest shape".
Of course the truth is probably somewhere along the lines of "Levrone had nearly 20'' arms in contest shape".
The Luke
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Ha ha ha as mad as a hatter
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Ha ha ha as mad as a hatter
...basic math that anyone can verify for themselves versus a self-professed natural with 20'' arms?
The Luke
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Going by Teh Luke's logic, a shorter / lighter woman can never have a bigger butt or breasts than a taller / heavier woman. I've never seen so much obfuscation and unnecessary complication of a simple arm measurement, by introducing factors like circumference and surface area.
It's like there are 2 roads, one longer and one shorter. But rather than simply say that, Teh Luke will introduce needless new variables like cars traveling on that road, their fuel efficiency and driver hand-eye co-ordination to try and make an argument for the short road being longer, when the plain measurement proves it simply and otherwise.
Eric Fankhouser has bigger calves than the taller, heavier Toney Freeman, just like Lee Priest has bigger arms than the taller, heavier Dan Hill, just to give a couple of examples. How dare those bastards fall out of line with Teh Luke's logical, "mathematically sound" blanket statement >:( ::)
A new challenger enters the Thunderdome! ;D
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...basic math that anyone can verify for themselves versus a self-professed natural with 20'' arms?
The Luke
ok man whatever you say ... :D
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The Lukes arguments make sense and the math, well, not even going to attempt...
however, 2 things to take into account, are :
superior arm building genetics, much like mesmorph78's, and many pros
and
(http://www.crazymuscle.com/images/SyntholEsik-Clean.jpg)
but no, kevin levrone, ronnie, etc did not have 23/24 inch arms contest shape. maybe ronnie had 23's offseason, maybe.
but, this guy here at 6'5" , almost 300lbs onstage, yes, he might have had 23 inch arms in contest shape. Anyone else? I doubdt it...
(http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/136806-Stem%20Cell/806/17/lou_ferigno_display.jpg)
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Actually, Ferrigno's arms were measured at just over 21 inches before his big Olympia comeback.
The Luke
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Actually, Ferrigno's arms were measured at just over 21 inches before his big Olympia comeback.
The Luke
and those were some huge fucking arms!
that proves my point
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When I was 175, I had 17 inch arms. And I wasn't a fat fuk. So I guess I threw is stats off...height has A lot to do with it, and I am 5'5.
I'm 175 and have arms 17" at 5'6".
How much do u weigh now?
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This is an example of great arm building genetics
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I'm 175 and have arms 17" at 5'6".
How much do u weigh now?
Both of you are still within 0.75'' of the scale I proposed... and only deviate at all because you are shorter than average (not a barb, I'm 5'5'' myself).
If either of you were average height, you'd fit the scale precisely.
The Luke
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This is an example of great arm building genetics
Where is Joe Bucci now do you know?
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hahaah per se you are lucky you fit into lukes formula
or else....
hahahaha this guy is hilarious..
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/Coleman_Ron017.jpg)
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I'm still trying to figure out who is crazier, HugeRipped or The Luke :D
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Mesomorph78,
Ronnie was the best bodybuilder in history... but his arms were never 24''.
Gregg Valentino's oil filled arms were 24''... Ronnie's were never that big. But Ronnie's were probably 22'' at their biggest, which is still amazing.
That's reality: accept it.
I know you feel that Ronnie's arms must have been 24'' considering your natural arms are 20''... but I can explain that... your arms aren't 20'', measure them properly if you don't believe me.
The way you keep insisting you have these monstrous arms, arms so far outside the long-established and accepted arm/bodyweight ratios, makes it seem that you are trying to convince YOURSELF more so than others.
The Luke
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(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/terry_ron.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/FlexWheeler-02.jpg)
another thing i notice luke keeps throwing around measurements that he read about... flex has said dillet arms were measured at 23 inches and colemans at 23 inches....ive read that arnolds arm was measured at 21 so why take one reading as truith and the other reading as false...
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Mesomorph78,
Ronnie was the best bodybuilder in history... but his arms were never 24''.
Gregg Valentino's oil filled arms were 24''... Ronnie's were never that big. But Ronnie's were probably 22'' at their biggest, which is still amazing.
That's reality: accept it.
I know you feel that Ronnie's arms must have been 24'' considering your natural arms are 20''... but I can explain that... your arms aren't 20'', measure them properly if you don't believe me.
The way you keep insisting you have these monstrous arms, arms so far outside the long-established and accepted arm/bodyweight ratios, makes it seem that you are trying to convince YOURSELF more so than others.
The Luke
i dont care what greg valentinos arms were meausred at i read somewhere they were measured at 28 inches.....so whats your point???
which one is true..... i guess you determine that
its simple
if you are that sure that im a liar...
bear in mind ive proved EVERY claim ive ever made here EVERY one
if u think im lying ...go for the wager... simple....
and i will post a video up....of a cold and pumped measurement ... and that will end the discussion...
your going by what u read in a book or magazine..
im going by what i know i have 100%.... hanging off the end of my shoulders
simple
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I'm 175 and have arms 17" at 5'6".
How much do u weigh now?
Like 145, been doing more running and cardio than lifting. I'm officially on tiny tit status ;D Haven't been steady lifting since 6 mos ago. If I stop posting for bit, that will show I'm in the gym.
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(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/terry_ron.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/FlexWheeler-02.jpg)
another thing i notice luke keeps throwing around measurements that he read about... flex has said dillet arms were measured at 23 inches and colemans at 23 inches....ive read that arnolds arm was measured at 21 so why take one reading as truith and the other reading as false...
You can't be serious dude...?
Flex Wheeler claimed to have 23.5'' arms at 225 lbs at his pro debut in 1993... so does that mean he LOST a couple of inches on his arms by filling them with synthol and adding 20 lbs of muscle later in his career?
At the '93 Olympia (Dorian's best showing) he weighed 257 lbs and had the biggest arms on stage... despite his arms being just less than 20'' (as admitted by Dorian himself and measured at a seminar a month after the show).
I go by VERIFIED arms measurements. Posting more and more pictures of bodybuilders doesn't prove anything.
There's even an entire field of scientific research dedicate to these sorts of measurements... it's called "anthropometry": look it up.
The only person who ever measured Arnold's arm at 21''... was Arnold himself; he then claimed they were 21'' in the first printing of his book; modern printings claim a 22'' arm... I'm sure when he passes his gravestone will claim 25'' arms.
The only person who ever claimed Dillet's arms were 23'' was Flex Wheeler... if Dillet's arms were 23'' and Wheeler's arms were also 23'', why do both compare so poorly to Lee Priest's barely 21'' arms (contest shape)?
No one has ever verified a bodybuilder having a genuine 24'' arm at 10% bf (or lower).
Back in the 70s before all this bullshit started the only people to verify an arm measurement of 20'' were a 250 lb (all time heaviest) Sergio Oliva (who was ALL arms even at that bodyweight), a 290 lb (lean) Ray Mentzer and a 240 lb (at 5'5'') Eddie Robinson (who, like Lee Priest, was slightly dwarfish and ALL arms).
There's a reason bodybuilders don't verify their arm measurements... almost all of them are lying.
Someone post a pic of Gregg Valentino and Ronnie Coleman side by side to shut this fool up once and for all. Please.
The Luke
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OK I def believe these guys blow up their measurements and would guess that the biggest is 22" on stage. But easy guy.Ray Mentzer was 290 lean? Yeah right wheres the proof on that one? They lie about their weights too by the way. I would bet that Flex's arms were bigger in their appearance and their measurement than Dorians in '93. Wheres the article or vid of Flex saying his arms were 23" in his rookie year? Def later on when he pumped them up with synthol he was blowing up his measurements but that was '98 I am guessing
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You are the fool who is everyone laughing ??at it doesn't matter what you say I know how to measure my arms and they are 19.6 cold and 20 pumped I'm happy with that you are the one not happy with it and refuting the claim therefore wager simple and I'll get simons to video me measuring my arms again till then don't make reference to me or my arms I've entertained you long enough.
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15'' arm assumed to be 150 lbs of solid muscle ...everyone can agree with this, it holds for most average build average height non-trainers
16'' arm would go with 171 lbs ...which surprisingly matches most middleweights mass/measurement ratio
17'' arm would go with 193 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the mass/measurement ratio for most 202 competitors, and Franco Colombu
18'' arm would go with 216 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the verified mass/measurement ratio for most 1970s competitors
19'' arm would go with 241 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Schwarzenegger's verified mass/measurement ratio
20'' arm would go with 267 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Dorian Yates' verified (offseason '93) mass/measurement ratio
21'' arm would go with 294 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Lou Ferrigno's verified mass/measurement ratio
22'' arm would go with 323 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Ronnie's VERIFIED mass/measurement ratio
...do we dare to extrapolate a little further after all this direct correlation showing just how right the math is?
23'' arm would go with 353 lbs ...a measurement claimed by a contest ready 225 lb Flex Wheeler (oh borther)
24'' arm would go with 384 lbs ...the measurement you tools ascribe to Ronnie Coleman: 384 lbs at about 10% bf
These calculations are about right on for a bodybuilder in contest shape with extremely low bodyfat
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Both of you are still within 0.75'' of the scale I proposed... and only deviate at all because you are shorter than average (not a barb, I'm 5'5'' myself).
If either of you were average height, you'd fit the scale precisely.
The Luke
Cool thanks for that. So what is the maximum size my arms can be as a 5'6" natural Luke?
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OK I def believe these guys blow up their measurements and would guess that the biggest is 22" on stage. But easy guy.Ray Mentzer was 290 lean? Yeah right wheres the proof on that one? They lie about their weights too by the way. I would bet that Flex's arms were bigger in their appearance and their measurement than Dorians in '93. Wheres the article or vid of Flex saying his arms were 23" in his rookie year? Def later on when he pumped them up with synthol he was blowing up his measurements but that was '98 I am guessing
I used to collect Flex magazines back in 92/93/94 (for shame!)... Wheeler told so many lies about his measurements it was unreal: 23.5'' arms COLD on contest day; 22'' calves; 28'' waist etc etc. Whereas an off-season 280 lb (pre-bi/tri-tears) Dorian actually let seminar attendees measure his arms: 20.25''.
Look at pics of the '93 Olympia... Dorian dwarfed EVERYONE and even had the biggest arms on stage.
As for Ray Mentzer, he continued to train into the 80s even though he didn't compete (I think it's Vince Basile on this board who knew him very well) and reached 290/300 lbs eventually, in very good condition... at which point he had a genuine 20'' arm. I believe he was also squatting in excess of 600 lbs and benching more than 500 lbs at this time.
The whole reason I typed out all that tedious mathematics was to show just how ridiculous these claims actually are.
Robert Kennedy's MuscleMag (before it was taken over by MuscleTech) used to run hype stories on Greg Kovacs with his supposed 25'' taped arms on show for all to see... even as a kid I remember looking at those pics and counting the nine one inch increments visible on the tape from the bottom of his triceps to the top of his biceps and thinking: nine inches visible on the front of the arms... plus another nine inches visible on the back of the arm... plus another two inches lost where the tape circles his bicep peak and tricep belly... plus another inch for the benefit of the doubt... that's still only 21 inches; not 25 inches.
That's when I became interested in anthropomentry.
But bodybuilding is bodybuilding... and every 160 lb cagefighter has a 22'' arm.
The Luke
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Like 145, been doing more running and cardio than lifting. I'm officially on tiny tit status ;D Haven't been steady lifting since 6 mos ago. If I stop posting for bit, that will show I'm in the gym.
Lol, come on man, the two are not mutually exclusive....u can lift every day of the week if u want to AND post on Getbig, AND God forbid, even have a full time job!!
Get ur ass back in the gym!! 8)
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Lol, come on man, the two are not mutually exclusive....u can lift every day of the week if u want to AND post on Getbig, AND God forbid, even have a full time job!!
Get ur ass back in the gym!! 8)
too true, but I find myself addicted and putting it off... Monday starts off the get back in the gym movement and capoeira.
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Cool thanks for that. So what is the maximum size my arms can be as a 5'6" natural Luke?
Well... that's a tricky question.
Let me give you an example... when I was working construction I did a lot of traipsing up and down flights of stairs carrying these god-damn 150 lb glass wardrobe doors... 50 doors in a day; averaging 5 flights of stairs per door; it all adds up.
One day I measured my swollen calves first thing in the morning when I woke up...
Now remember, I'm the perfect genetic group for calf size: Irish; at least one red hair gene; short (5'5''); barrel-chested and dumpy; shortened shins, shortened forearms... add to this the best possible muscle shape: my gastroc extends a full halfway down my shin and my soleus muscle extends two thirds of the way to my heel; and my ankle measurement actually exceeds the length of my foot heel to toe (robust).
My calves measured 18.8''... so big that they rubbed together when I walked.
Now people think this means a natural bodybuilder my size with excellent arm genetics could similarly achieve such a measurement round his upper arm: but that is not true. No 5'6'' dude has a 9'' wrist (what would be necessary to have 19'' arms naturally).
Western/Northern European whites (Brehin genetic group) can achieve a calf measurement an inch or two bigger than their maximum arm measurement (at a particular bodyweight), but that doesn't mean a central African black with more upper body muscle can reverse that ratio. Both groups tend to have similar maximum natural arms measurements at a given height... the black guys just tend to have calves one or two inches smaller than their arms, while the white guys tend to have arms an inch smaller than their (larger) calves.
Whites have robust calves... blacks don't have robust arms; they have gracile calves and gracile bone structure (small elbows/wrists). Both groups have roughly the same amount of upper arm muscle (in terms of cells) it just looks bigger on the small-framed black guys. Whites have more muscle cells in the calves (this is all in terms of averages), but this is usually accompanied by thicker hips and a larger pelvis (blockiness).
So even with 18+'' calves at 220 lbs at 5'5'' (fat with a pot belly) I'd never have an 18'' arm.
On a 5'6'' natural, I've only once seen an 18'' arm... and it looked enormous.
A better guide would be for a heavily built; thick-wristed natural to attempt to match the measurements of a slightly built; slender-framed pro who didn't megadose or manipulate insulin... Lee Labrada (5'6'' and 180-195 lbs) springs to mind: that's an 18'' arm offseason, 17 and change precontest, maybe even less.
Hope this helps (seriously).
Short answer: add 10 inches to your wrist measurment, there's your maximum natural arm.
The Luke
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mesomorpf you lost a lot of energy here proving your point, you could have already posted a video about your mesurement of a cold arm, forget about that 100 bucks challange that wont happen you know that, so just post the video otherwise you re just another shittalker
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I can live with you or anyone else thinking I'm a shittalker ;)
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What a real 20 inch arm looks like.
This was measured with a plastic tape, slightly pumped.
When Ellington Darden measured Eddie Robinson the Arthur Jones way, paper tape, cold measurement, it was 20 inches.
Eddie Robinson was off season, 5'7" I think around 240/250lbs...not sure
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Eddie Robinson was off season, 5'7" I think around 240/250lbs...not sure
Think Eddie Robinson was actually about 5'5'' (the 5'7'' number keeps coming up but I don't think he's taller than Lee Priest).
I believe he was 250 lbs when he had a genuine 20'' arm; he was also able to bench more than 500 lbs (even held the teen bench record).
A lot of the reason why smaller/shorter guys (such as Eddie Robinson and Lee Priest) can have such large arms is because they're usually not really short guys: they're tall or average height guys who have been stunted somewhat: and end up with average/tall muscle architecture on shortened limbs... long torsos are a very obvious symptom of this. Whereas naturally small/short guys like Lee Labrada and Danny Padilla have a much more proportionate build.
The Luke
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OK I def believe these guys blow up their measurements and would guess that the biggest is 22" on stage. But easy guy.Ray Mentzer was 290 lean? Yeah right wheres the proof on that one? They lie about their weights too by the way. I would bet that Flex's arms were bigger in their appearance and their measurement than Dorians in '93. Wheres the article or vid of Flex saying his arms were 23" in his rookie year? Def later on when he pumped them up with synthol he was blowing up his measurements but that was '98 I am guessing
I also find this hilarious. This Luke guy wants to be taken seriously, yet he inflates people's height and weight like it's going out of style. 0 credibility and he keeps saying this guy's arms were measured at this or that. GUY, post links to it, or it doesn't exist.
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Think Eddie Robinson was actually about 5'5'' (the 5'7'' number keeps coming up but I don't think he's taller than Lee Priest).
I believe he was 250 lbs when he had a genuine 20'' arm; he was also able to bench more than 500 lbs (even held the teen bench record).
Doesnt look much shorter than Bannout nor Nasser. I realize they are not standing up straight.
610lbs bench record in a meet
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The Lukes arguments make sense and the math, well, not even going to attempt...
however, 2 things to take into account, are :
superior arm building genetics, much like mesmorph78's, and many pros
and
(http://www.crazymuscle.com/images/SyntholEsik-Clean.jpg)
but no, kevin levrone, ronnie, etc did not have 23/24 inch arms contest shape. maybe ronnie had 23's offseason, maybe.
but, this guy here at 6'5" , almost 300lbs onstage, yes, he might have had 23 inch arms in contest shape. Anyone else? I doubdt it...
(http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/136806-Stem%20Cell/806/17/lou_ferigno_display.jpg)
Big Louie was just over 6'4" and 318-320 pounds the day of the 1993 Mr. Olympia. At his largest, his arms were 23" PUMPED. When he was lighter, they stretched the tape at 21".
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He was truly huge then. In his comeback.
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Big Louie was just over 6'4" and 318-320 pounds the day of the 1993 Mr. Olympia. At his largest, his arms were 23" PUMPED. When he was lighter, they stretched the tape at 21".
He CLAIMED to be 320 lbs for the '93 Olympia, Robert Kennedy claimed he was actually 280ish lbs.
He certainly didn't look 320 lbs.
No one ever verified his arm at 23'', but his arm was measured at 21'' around this time.
The Luke
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no way lou was 320 lbs... i just watched the video, he had no legs and synthol calves
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I also find this hilarious. This Luke guy wants to be taken seriously, yet he inflates people's height and weight like it's going out of style. 0 credibility and he keeps saying this guy's arms were measured at this or that. GUY, post links to it, or it doesn't exist.
Vince Basile (I think) put up pictures of Ray Mentzer at 280-290 lbs... he stayed at Vince's house in the 80s.
The Luke
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Vince Basile (I think) put up pictures of Ray Mentzer at 280-290 lbs... he stayed at Vince's house in the 80s.
The Luke
link?
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You're wasting your time with some of these delusional clowns, the Luke
>>(http://www.sergiooliva.org/pictures/sergio-oliva-3.jpg)
Ronnie has 4 inches in upper arm circumference on Sergio, mesomorph and 1/2 of getbig.
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Sergio and Casey both had tremendous full length biceps and triceps. Arthur Jones stated Sergio had the biggest arms ever measured at the time I think it still holds true.
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Sergio and Casey both had tremendous full length biceps and triceps. Arthur Jones stated Sergio had the biggest arms ever measured at the time I think it still holds true.
the freakiest thing is, Casey was 19 at the time!
(http://mister-olympia.bganzeige.de/wp-content/caseyviator.jpg)
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the freakiest thing is, Casey was 19 at the time!
(http://mister-olympia.bganzeige.de/wp-content/caseyviator.jpg)
Yep problem is he never got bigger I guess he should have stayed with Arthur Jones.
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Sergio and Casey both had tremendous full length biceps and triceps. Arthur Jones stated Sergio had the biggest arms ever measured at the time I think it still holds true.
good peak
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A lot of the reason why smaller/shorter guys (such as Eddie Robinson and Lee Priest) can have such large arms is because they're usually not really short guys: they're tall or average height guys who have been stunted somewhat: and end up with average/tall muscle architecture on shortened limbs... long torsos are a very obvious symptom of this. Whereas naturally small/short guys like Lee Labrada and Danny Padilla have a much more proportionate build.
The Luke
Uhh what? Lee P always been short.
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Uhh what? Lee P always been short.
a stab in the dark, but what i think he means is - when androgens are used before height is matured, the epiphyseal (sp?) bone growth plates fuse. this stunts the skeletal growth. so a man that may have been 6 feet tall could be permanently stunted to 5 feet 3 inches. you are born with a certain number of muscle fibers (save the hyperplasia argument). so a frame that should have been 6 ft ends up much shorter, but with all the muscle the six foot frame would have held. this is why all the communist gymnasts were sub-5 feet with incredible power to weight ratios.
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All the way a big dude.
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a stab in the dark, but what i think he means is - when androgens are used before height is matured, the epiphyseal (sp?) bone growth plates fuse. this stunts the skeletal growth. so a man that may have been 6 feet tall could be permanently stunted to 5 feet 3 inches. you are born with a certain number of muscle fibers (save the hyperplasia argument). so a frame that should have been 6 ft ends up much shorter, but with all the muscle the six foot frame would have held. this is why all the communist gymnasts were sub-5 feet with incredible power to weight ratios.
...better explained than I articulated it. Thanks.
The Luke
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big arms but damn is that shirt tight
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Neither one is standing straight up in the MM, so it's difficult to judge their height. They look to be about the same height in all the pics you posted to me. How tall is KL? Ronnie? Aren't they both around 5'10? Here's another MM comparison of he and RC. Both have great arms.
based on the pics from 98/99 it looks like Levrone's arms might have been a bit larger.
the difference of course, though in quality was signficant.
ronnie's arms absolutely blew kevin's off the map:
Kevin's were so puffy and smooth by that point they looked terrible in comparison:
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big arms but damn is that shirt tight
YEAH OK,,,,XSMALL ::)
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I can live with you or anyone else thinking I'm a shittalker ;)
Meso, you're lying and you've been telling the same lie for two years. You've posted several videos and pictures of yourself, yet you refuse to confirm your claims. We all know that you are full of shit and it's pretty sad that you are not man enough to admit it.
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Meso, you're lying and you've been telling the same lie for two years. You've posted several videos and pictures of yourself, yet you refuse to confirm your claims. We all know that you are full of shit and it's pretty sad that you are not man enough to admit it.
yawn
Hulkster thanks for postin up those pics ronnie blows him away ronnie greatest arm of Ll time
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Mesomorph78, if you can post a video of your arm taping 18.6'' pumped; then claim a 20'' arm... does that mean I can post a video verifying my 12'' arms; then claim I have 13.5'' arms?
I mean, a 20'' arm on a 210 lb lifetime natural who's 5'10'' (correct me if those stats are wrong) is about as believable as a 15'' cock.
Don't mean to offend, just being realistic.
The Luke
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yawn
Hulkster thanks for postin up those pics ronnie blows him away ronnie greatest arm of Ll time
Exactly.... Yet again, you dodge the simple task of posting a video or a picture that will prove your claim. You've posted SEVERAL videos and pictures of yourself over the years, yet when called out on your obvious lie, you clam up and refuse to prove me wrong. Why not just post the video/picture, meso? You've jumped at the chance to do so several times in the past ::)
You're lying, dude... it's that simple - (which is sad, because I'm not saying you don't have big arms).
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@ body 88 Guy I'm a grown man not a kid Do not presume to think that I NEED to prove myself to anyone least of all you . So save your breathe I could care less what you especially in particular thinks ... Hope this helps
Luke the video me measuring my arms and also many more are on getbig .
I choose not to measure and post a vid of it because I don't have to prove myself in the past I probably would have only to have half a doesn't threads made up saying I'm this and that at one point I decided only to post vids of lifts if I say I can lift a and I lift a not much to say after that there is no subjectivity to debate anyway there are a few people here who know me in real life they can attest to why I say
And trust me as sure as the sun will rise tommorow everything I say is true if that's something you can't believe or get your head around that's your problem not mine and you need to get over it and get back to the topic of the thread
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Luke the video me measuring my arms and also many more are on getbig .
...measuring your arms at 18.6 inches pumped, right?
Have you actually gained the 40+ lbs of additional muscle it would take to have a 20'' arm?
Correct me if I'm wrong on these stats; but in the video you posted you were 210ish lbs at 5'10'' with 18.5'' arms...
...does that mean you are now 250 lbs at 5'10'' with a 20'' arm, sub 10% bf and still a lifetime natural?
Dude, you should do the Olympia... you're bigger than Kevin Levrone ever was.
The Luke
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That video was 18.6 cold
and I could are less you are proposing to measure me against to try to make whY I say less believable . I am Meso not levrone not anyone else I could give a fuck whY anyone else arms measure I speak for my self I don't measure myself anyone else because I don't care about anyone elses achievements but mine it's said Arnold only benched 450 I bench near that natural no diet nothing add that to your list before I put weights down for good I'll press 500 also Coleman pressed 200 lbs I can press180 for a rep or two and so on and so on I guess I shouldn't be doing that
kid you are trying to fight a battle you cannot win go back to quoting your math formulas and talking about levrone arms .I live by no ones confines or rules. So I'll now leave you to your discussion.
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That video was 18.6 cold
and I could are less you are proposing to measure me against to try to make whY I say less believable . I am Meso not levrone not anyone else I could give a fuck whY anyone else arms measure I speak for my self I don't measure myself anyone else because I don't care about anyone elses achievements but mine it's said Arnold only benched 450 I bench near that natural no diet nothing add that to your list before I put weights down for good I'll press 500 also Coleman pressed 200 lbs I can press180 for a rep or two and so on and so on I guess I shouldn't be doing that
kid you are trying to fight a battle you cannot win go back to quoting your math formulas and talking about levrone arms .I live by no ones confines or rules. So I'll now leave you to your discussion.
...okay, okay, okay.
Another humble and completely credible 500lb-benching; 200lb-dumbbell-repping; bigger-and-better-than-Ronnie; 20+''-arm-having; supermodel-banging; multi-millionaire GetBigger with no need to boast or prove himself because he is his own man... who is rightly insulted that any GetBigger ever doubt or question his obviously truthful assertions.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were THAT guy.
The Luke
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...okay, okay, okay.
Another humble and completely credible 500lb-benching; 200lb-dumbbell-repping; bigger-and-better-than-Ronnie; 20+''-arm-having; supermodel-banging; multi-millionaire GetBigger with no need to boast or prove himself because he is his own man... who is rightly insulted that any GetBigger ever doubt or question his obviously truthful assertions.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were THAT guy.
The Luke
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...okay, okay, okay.
Another humble and completely credible 500lb-benching; 200lb-dumbbell-repping; bigger-and-better-than-Ronnie; 20+''-arm-having; supermodel-banging; multi-millionaire GetBigger with no need to boast or prove himself because he is his own man... who is rightly insulted that any GetBigger ever doubt or question his obviously truthful assertions.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were THAT guy.
The Luke
LMAO!! and do not forget... bench 500lbs, NATURAL ;D
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oh sorry, 'near' 450lbs ::)
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Meh
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I wouldn't be bumping this thread if I were you.
The Luke
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...okay, okay, okay.
Another humble and completely credible 500lb-benching; 200lb-dumbbell-repping; bigger-and-better-than-Ronnie; 20+''-arm-having; supermodel-banging; multi-millionaire GetBigger with no need to boast or prove himself because he is his own man... who is rightly insulted that any GetBigger ever doubt or question his obviously truthful assertions.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were THAT guy.
The Luke
;D well done
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...okay, okay, okay.
Another humble and completely credible 500lb-benching; 200lb-dumbbell-repping; bigger-and-better-than-Ronnie; 20+''-arm-having; supermodel-banging; multi-millionaire GetBigger with no need to boast or prove himself because he is his own man... who is rightly insulted that any GetBigger ever doubt or question his obviously truthful assertions.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were THAT guy.
The Luke
LOLz. That was pretty good. Still waiting on the Bigfoot citations. I was out a bit late last night, and I saw a few species I might suggest as xenobiology-like, but nothing more than anecdotal stuff. ;D
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Mesomorph78, if you can post a video of your arm taping 18.6'' pumped; then claim a 20'' arm... does that mean I can post a video verifying my 12'' arms; then claim I have 13.5'' arms?
I mean, a 20'' arm on a 210 lb lifetime natural who's 5'10'' (correct me if those stats are wrong) is about as believable as a 15'' cock.
Don't mean to offend, just being realistic.
The Luke
Meso78 said that he would that he would happily post a vid if u agreed to his wager...u ddnt agree, yet u are still bitchin.
That's not cool man, not honourable at all.
If you're gona continue insulting him, just agree to the wager, then you'll have the chance to show how accurate your formulas are!
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Meso78 said that he would that he would happily post a vid if u agreed to his wager...u ddnt agree, yet u are still bitchin.
That's not cool man, not honourable at all.
If you're gona continue insulting him, just agree to the wager, then you'll have the chance to show how accurate your formulas are!
His "wager" is ridiculous.
I could post a video measuring my arms diagonally with a slack tape and make an instantaneous two inch gain. So what? Should I demand a million dollars deposit from anyone who wants video proof of my 24'' arms? Why not? It's perfectly reasonable, after all, my buddy will hold the million and only pay it to me when he is satisfied as a impartial third party that my video is genuine.
I'm not interested in PayPal'ing money to some third party, then having Mesomorph78 post some crooked video cheating a 20'' measurement out of his 18'' (17''?) arms.
To paraphrase Carl Sagan: Mesomorph78 made the exceptional claim, let him produce exceptional evidence.
If Mesomorph78 claims to be a 500lb-benching; 200lb-dumbbell-repping; bigger-and-better-than-Ronnie; 20+''-arm-having; supermodel-banging; multi-millionaire GetBigger while still being a LIFETIME NATURAL... then I believe him.
Frankly, I'm offended that you even asked me to partake in such a wager... you should have simply DEMANDED that I pay him the money directly without proof for even daring to question the claims of the greatest natural bodybuilder ever known.
In fact you should PayPal him a couple hundred bucks too, for indirectly implying Mesomorph should even have to post such a video.
Shame on you.
The Luke
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phil heath has 21.8" arms (he said on his twitter) and he is still lean as fuck
his arms back in 2006
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/hhhhhhh.jpg)(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/hhhhh.jpg)(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/hhh.jpg)
video here
http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=6&clipid=10958306&q=&type=chal
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phil heath has 21.8" arms (he said on his twitter) and he is still lean as fuck
....pre-contest 230 lb Heath has arms bigger than an offseason 320 lb Ronnie?
Wow! If he typed it on Twitter it must be true.
By the way, I have a bridge for sale. You can read all about it on my Twitter.
The Luke
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what are you talking about, ronnies arms were measured 22 inches in korea at 305 lbs (1 month after 2004 olympia) his arms were ripped
ronnie is an inch taller, and has a massive chest, back and legs..
hope this helps
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what are you talking about, ronnies arms were measured 22 inches in korea at 305 lbs (1 month after 2004 olympia) his arms were ripped
ronnie is an inch taller, and has a massive chest, back and legs..
hope this helps
...and when were Heath's arms measured?
The Luke
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phil is 255 lbs atm, hope this helps
Yeah, sorry... you're right.
Phil weighs 255 lbs so his arms must be bigger than 305 lb Ronnie Coleman... hence Ronnie must have had 24'' arms onstage... therefore Mesomorph78 clearly has 24'' arms too and can easily bench 500 lbs, as a natural.
Seriously guys, you unquestioningly believe this bullshit like an Evangelical listening to Jerry Falwell... or Coach listening to Rush Limbaugh.
The Luke
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Wow...
Is it me, or did TRIX delete this post:
phil is 255 lbs atm, hope this helps
...after I type this rebttal:
Yeah, sorry... you're right.
Phil weighs 255 lbs so his arms must be bigger than 305 lb Ronnie Coleman... hence Ronnie must have had 24'' arms onstage... therefore Mesomorph78 clearly has 24'' arms too and can easily bench 500 lbs, as a natural.
Seriously guys, you unquestioningly believe this bullshit like an Evangelical listening to Jerry Falwell... or Coach listening to Rush Limbaugh.
...ha-ha. Epic.
The Luke
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man you take this too seriously... even these teens have 18 - 19 inch arms
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man you take this too seriously... even these teens have 18 - 19 inch arms
Ugh... not this shit again.
A 20'' arm (like Mesomorph78 claims) is not 11% bigger than an 18'' arm (as you might think by simply dividing the numbers: 20/18=1.111).
A 20'' arm is actually 23% bigger than an 18'' arm... it's a ratio of squares because its a cross sectional area that is increasing: 202/182 = 400/324 = 23%.
So let's just assume the guys in that video only weigh 200 lbs... that means they'd have to gain 46 lbs (or so) of muscle to add the extra two inches of upper arm size reqired to go from 18'' to 20''.
If they weigh more... they'd have to gain even more.
Guess what?
I'd bet my last dollar that every guy in that video is within an inch of the bodyweight/arm-measurement scale I proposed (assuming they're all within a couple icnhes either side of average height).
How can I make such a claim?
Because 99% of the male population is within an inch of the scale I proposed (assuming roughly average height); no matter what their level of development.
Accept it... accept reality.
The Luke
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Accept it... accept reality.
The Luke
Like when you did back when you used to claim Sarcasm was 13 years old ??? ;D
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Like when you did back when you used to claim Sarcasm was 13 years old ??? ;D
...Geez, never thought you'd be so hurt by your own inability to spot a joke you'd still be sore about it years later.
If you believed Sarcasm was 13 based on no evidence, then maybe that's why you believe all these pro bodybuilder's ridiculuos claims based on no evidence.
The Luke
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...Geez, never thought you'd be so hurt by your own inability to spot a joke you'd still be sore about it years later.
I'm (still) sore? I wasn't the one who churned out 'War and peace'-sized posts 9 times a day for 9 months straight, about the letter and it's contents being real, until Ron publicly posted that said claim was full of shit ;D
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man you take this too seriously... even these teens have 18 - 19 inch arms
even they have 19 in arms,
but,
are they Heath's height, what do they weigh. At the end of the day, Phill's arms are muscle on muscle, mounds of separated, cross-striated lean tissue, with full muscle bellies, lon insertions and peaked. And just goes to show how the visual can be an illusion, I understand he says 21-point-whatever-inches, but they're not.
Do Vince Taylors arms look 19 inches to you? No, they look bigger than these teens, till he stands next to them, and the tape measure confirms that they're not 20.5 nor 21 inches like we thought, they're "only" 19 and a bit...
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vince' arms looked 22" when this pic was taken, but really they were no bigger than my 20" at the time arm
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(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/heath3.jpg?t=1270977138)
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/heath-2.jpg?t=1270977178)
hope this helps
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luke wont recover
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luke wont recover
Everyone else can see what the pic shows, but teh Luke will refuse to see it and soon make a post that's bigger than dan18's forehead about how Phil's arms can't be more than 19" if you consider the cross sectional area of his arm, the humidity in that gym and the Coriolis effect in the northern hemisphere all put together.
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(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/heath-2.jpg?t=1270977178)
hope this helps
The tape measure isn't closed.
If I pull a tape measure around my arm till I see the 24'' mark but pull the zero end away so it never reaches around to make contact with the 12'' mark... does that mean my 12'' arm is really 24''?
This is just like Franco's trick of pulling the tape taut tangential to his arm... the photograph shows his taped arm wih the 19'' degredation fully visible... if he were to close the tape he's be 17'' and change.
Why do you guys fall for this shit?
The Luke
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what the hell are you talking about? there is mass on the bottom and on the top of the arm also....
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/heath-3.jpg)
considering bodybuilders lose 1 inch dieting, it holds true that heath said his arms are now 21.8" inches
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/84879694.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1270980180&Signature=Q71pi4sAuKL4IfLc9yQ78To0gfM%3D)(http://web11.twitpic.com/img/84564669-91157cb0f7674fd825c505a4ab8a6fb7.4bc19a83-scaled.jpg)(http://web10.twitpic.com/img/84556009-33d6bf69d53516a2a5505979730b1bbd.4bc19a9c-scaled.jpg)
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what the hell are you talking about? there is mass on the bottom and on the top of the arm also....
What are YOU talking about?
The pic you posted shows the guy measuring Heath's arms pinching the first inch (or two) off the tape.
Try it yourself: double the tape back on itself at the 1.5/2'' mark and pinch it between your index finger and thumb.
The zero on the tape is still at the tip of your index finger, the 2'' mark is in the crook of your thumb and your thumb is on the 3'' mark. Presto. Your 21'' arm now appears to be a 24'' arm on the tape; an instant three inch gain.
Heath's arms are maybe 22'' off-season at 280 lbs; just like Ronnie's arms were nearly 22'' at 300+ lbs.
Unless of course you think Heath carries 60+ lbs of muscle on a peak Ronnie Coleman (ie: a genuine 24'' arm)?
The Luke
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in that pic, heaths arms are 21.5/22 offseason
20 onstage
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in that pic, heaths arms are 21.5/22 offseason
20 onstage
Finally... some common sense.
When I first started posting in this thread it was entitled "Levrone had 24inch arms in contest shape" now it's down to "Levrone had 22 inch arms...".
How long before common sense prevails?
The Luke
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Ha ha still at it I see
this luke guy is hilarious
first of all I said before I put weights away which means when I'm an old man I would have benced 500
you hav then in true getbig fashion made posts about me sayin I bench 500 that little tirade you and your boys ran last night isn't going to make me poat anything if anything quite the opposite effect
my problem is why should a little shit like u request me to post something and I do it for free who the fcuk are u like I say you and your boys scrape put the hundrd Us togeteher .. I will putt even double 200 us dollars heck 300 if I'm wrong you guys win you guys are pretty darn sure I'm a liar bullshiter etc put the money up you can't lose it's easy money right
beAr in mind I've posted up quite a few videos of lifts and measurements where guys like u were calling bullshit in the past all those pussies had to eat humble pie after I did everylast one of them whether it was 405 bench over 18 inch arm etc so I've become a bit tired of proving myself so until you big bad Internet guys ( oh brother) ::) can't put the money up I suggest you shut the fuck up
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Ha ha still at it I see
this luke guy is hilarious
first of all I said before I put weights away which means when I'm an old man I would have benced 500
you hav then in true getbig fashion made posts about me sayin I bench 500 that little tirade you and your boys ran last night isn't going to make me poat anything if anything quite the opposite effect
my problem is why should a little shit like u request me to post something and I do it for free who the fcuk are u like I say you and your boys scrape put the hundrd Us togeteher .. I will putt even double 200 us dollars heck 300 if I'm wrong you guys win you guys are pretty darn sure I'm a liar bullshiter etc put the money up you can't lose it's easy money right
beAr in mind I've posted up quite a few videos of lifts and measurements where guys like u were calling bullshit in the past all those pussies had to eat humble pie after I did everylast one of them whether it was 405 bench over 18 inch arm etc so I've become a bit tired of proving myself so until you big bad Internet guys ( oh brother) ::) can't put the money up I suggest you shut the fuck up
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Still demanding money?
I would have thought a guy like you would prove his claims as a matter of personal integrity. Otherwise why even bother to make all these vain boasts? Seeing as you are the type of guy who doesn't care what "little shits" like me think, then why insist on making these ridiculous claims.
If I don't ever have to prove it, even a "little shit" like me can claim a 20'' arm.
The Luke
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I laugh at luke sayin my arms are 17 inches my arms were over 17 inches before I hit 2 yrs if training of training
don't hate the genetics :D
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I laugh at luke sayin my arms are 17 inches my arms were over 17 inches before I hit 2 yrs if training of training
don't hate the genetics :D
...you claimed they were 19.5'' cold and 20'' pumped.
I don't see how you can claim a 20'' arm with a straight face, unless you weigh 240 lbs sub 10% bf. Don't you claim to be a 5'10'' lifetime natural weighing 210 lbs?
I think that's delusional. But you don't care what I think, do you?
The Luke
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How can you type half of what u type with a straight face
embelishing saying I said I bench 500 when I clearly didn't
also you do realise
I have a 100% track record of posting up vids to prove all claims and I have
not I'm a little older I don't see why I should why should I need to prove myself to you who the fuck are you what are ur arm measurements 14 inches ?? I don't believe you post a vid up
do you see how ridiculous you sound
which is why I say my old arm measuring vid is floating around go find it .. I'm done posting up any new material to prove anything I've don't like ten times now...
If someone is demanding me post something up he has to put something foward too
or else say you don't believe and just drop the subject
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That video was 18.6 cold
and I could are less you are proposing to measure me against to try to make whY I say less believable . I am Meso not levrone not anyone else I could give a fuck whY anyone else arms measure I speak for my self I don't measure myself anyone else because I don't care about anyone elses achievements but mine it's said Arnold only benched 450 I bench near that natural no diet nothing add that to your list before I put weights down for good I'll press 500 also Coleman pressed 200 lbs I can press180 for a rep or two and so on and so on I guess I shouldn't be doing that
kid you are trying to fight a battle you cannot win go back to quoting your math formulas and talking about levrone arms .I live by no ones confines or rules. So I'll now leave you to your discussion.
Read your above post again and tell me those aren't the words of a bullshitter.
The Luke
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If I had 20 inch arms naturally, I would gladly show them off every day of my life......
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A bullshitter who has always posted material to support every claim ??? V
ok luke what do your arms measure???
I'd like to know what your arms measure please.
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Luke hello how big are your arms
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Now let's consider a simple direct relationship between arm size and lean bodyweight using those crude percentages, maybe it might work:
15'' arm assumed to be 150 lbs of solid muscle ...everyone can agree with this, it holds for most average build average height non-trainers
16'' arm would go with 171 lbs ...which surprisingly matches most middleweights mass/measurement ratio
17'' arm would go with 193 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the mass/measurement ratio for most 202 competitors, and Franco Colombu
18'' arm would go with 216 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the verified mass/measurement ratio for most 1970s competitors
19'' arm would go with 241 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Schwarzenegger's verified mass/measurement ratio
20'' arm would go with 267 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Dorian Yates' verified (offseason '93) mass/measurement ratio
21'' arm would go with 294 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Lou Ferrigno's verified mass/measurement ratio
22'' arm would go with 323 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Ronnie's VERIFIED mass/measurement ratio
...do we dare to extrapolate a little further after all this direct correlation showing just how right the math is?
23'' arm would go with 353 lbs ...a measurement claimed by a contest ready 225 lb Flex Wheeler (oh borther)
24'' arm would go with 384 lbs ...the measurement you tools ascribe to Ronnie Coleman: 384 lbs at about 10% bf
Here's the list of approximate bodyweight/arm-circumference ratios I posted. The list of ratios you disagree with.
What do my arms measure?
I'm within an inch of the above scale... just like you, Mesomorph78,... just like everyone else... just like 99.9% of the human population.
You aren't TWO inches outside that scale any more than you are a MENSA member.
The Luke
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Please post a vid of your arms please..... Thx
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Please post a vid of your arms please..... Thx
...for $200 dollars.
The Luke
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Fine we both put the wager up I hVe no problem
mmmm now i have posted over 15 vids on this site and I ask you to post one and your folding like. Pack of cards exactly you are in no position to demand anything when you are in no position to
... By the way did u happen to find that 18.6 measurement
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Fine we both put the wager up I hVe no problem
mmmm now i have posted over 15 vids on this site and I ask you to post one and your folding like. Pack of cards exactly you are in no position to demand anything when you are in no position to
... By the way did u happen to find that 18.6 measurement
I don't doubt an 18.6'' measurement... that's well within range... it's this 20'' bullshitting that I object to.
Everyone reading knows that this demand for money up front is a rouse so that you won't have to ever prove your claims; claims you make continuously and defend incessantly despite also asserting you don't care what anyone thinks.
I think you do care.
I think you are embarrassed that you were called out on your exaggeration and now you're latching onto any technicality or precondition you can think of in an attempt to avoid backing down.
It's like this Mesomorph78... I don't want to fight with you, but a guy your height/weight having an 18.6'' muscular arm is somewhat akin to claiming the dog in your backyard is an expensive thoroughbred... a guy your size having a natural 20'' arm is somewhat akin to claiming to have a unicorn in your backyard.
If you claim you own a unicorn... the onus is on YOU to prove such an extraordinary claim.
No one on this board believes you have bigger and better arms than a best-ever 1974 Schwarzenegger while simultaneously being being a lifetime natural and 30something pounds lighter.
No one is going to buy that hogwash.
The Luke
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One of the biggest guns
That guy was great. Classic looking. Todays crop cant compare (except maybe Phil H)
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Haha embarassed about what dude do not embelish 20 inch pumped cold 19.6 fella do you know how easily I could post a vid and shut you up like I have shut up a lot before you... But I chose not to because
1 I don't have to prove anything to you
2 why should I post a video at your demand and you do nothing who are you? I hate people who run their mouth hiding behind a keyboard what do you have to do in all this
I have nothing to be ashamed of my track record speaks for itself ...
Anyway too many words i'm a man of a action so when you are ready to show some accountability for making string accusations agains someone you don't know then I will glady post the vid up so either the wager or post a vid of yourself measuring your arms. Pm me when you are ready do either just think this is your chance toprove your theory and prove your accusation to be true of me being a liar hahhahaha
Until then mes
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Haha embarassed about what dude do not embelish 20 inch pumped cold 19.6 fella do you know how easily I could post a vid and shut you up like I have shut up a lot before you... But I chose not to because
1 I don't have to prove anything to you
2 why should I post a video at your demand and you do nothing who are you? I hate people who run their mouth hiding behind a keyboard what do you have to do in all this
I have nothing to be ashamed of my track record speaks for itself ...
Anyway too many words i'm a man of a action so when you are ready to show some accountability for making string accusations agains someone you don't know then I will glady post the vid up so either the wager or post a vid of yourself measuring your arms. Pm me when you are ready do either just think this is your chance toprove your theory and prove your accusation to be true of me being a liar hahhahaha
Until then mes
Dude, if you're never going to prove any of your claims, why not claim a 30'' arm?
All you are doing is INSISTING the unicorn in your backyard is a real genuine unicorn. No one believes any of that bullshit.
The Luke
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Dude, if you're never going to prove any of your claims, why not claim a 30'' arm?
All you are doing is INSISTING the unicorn in your backyard is a real genuine unicorn. No one believes any of that bullshit.
The Luke
Just curious - is there more evidence of Bigfoot ever having existed than a Unicorn ???
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I don't doubt an 18.6'' measurement... that's well within range... it's this 20'' bullshitting that I object to.
Everyone reading knows that this demand for money up front is a rouse so that you won't have to ever prove your claims; claims you make continuously and defend incessantly despite also asserting you don't care what anyone thinks.
I think you do care.
I think you are embarrassed that you were called out on your exaggeration and now you're latching onto any technicality or precondition you can think of in an attempt to avoid backing down.
It's like this Mesomorph78... I don't want to fight with you, but a guy your height/weight having an 18.6'' muscular arm is somewhat akin to claiming the dog in your backyard is an expensive thoroughbred... a guy your size having a natural 20'' arm is somewhat akin to claiming to have a unicorn in your backyard.
If you claim you own a unicorn... the onus is on YOU to prove such an extraordinary claim.
No one on this board believes you have bigger and better arms than a best-ever 1974 Schwarzenegger while simultaneously being being a lifetime natural and 30something pounds lighter.
No one is going to buy that hogwash.
The Luke
Dude you're a real HATERRRRRRRRRRRR!
If Meso posted a vid 4 yrs ago of a COLD arm at nearly 19" ....why do you not believe that today he has a 20" PUMPED arm?!!
JEEEZ
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;D leave him alone
let him think what he wants... That was the same way they were calling liar etc before I posed the last vid
squad father made like 4 threads talkin shit about me when I posted the vid then it was a whole different thing. Hater is not even the word.... Losers I've proved myself 5 times since I've been on this site. I'm at the point where iv been there done that don't have a thing to prove
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Dude you're a real HATERRRRRRRRRRRR!
If Meso posted a vid 4 yrs ago of a COLD arm at nearly 19" ....why do you not believe that today he has a 20" PUMPED arm?!!
JEEEZ
Did he gain 30 lbs of lean muscle to go along with that extra inch and a half of arm size?
No one of average height has a 20'' arm under 240 lbs.
The Luke
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Anyone who thinks Arnie's arms were 'only' 20" is BS.
At least 22. Maybe 20" hanging down by his side. Huge difference in a 20" and 22" arm.
I'm siding with Mesomorph - not a BS'er and backs up his claims.
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Anyone who thinks Arnie's arms were 'only' 20" is BS.
At least 22. Maybe 20" hanging down by his side. Huge difference in a 20" and 22" arm.
I'm siding with Mesomorph - not a BS'er and backs up his claims.
Ursus/Goudy,
I like you, you're a decent bloke... but you're just wrong on this point.
You can read why, here...
The Luke
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I read that.
My arms are a bit over 19" pumped and mine are nowhere near as thick or developed as Meso's.
He does always back up his claimes though.
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All I know is my right arm is one little line shy of 21" here
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This is probaly 18.5" 18 3/4" cold and flexed
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This is probaly 18.5" 18 3/4" cold and flexed
That puts you a hair under the measurement of vince taylor. LOL
Luke, I honestly fucking hate agreeing with you, I hate your political beliefs, but you're absolutely right about arm measurement. Arnold had 19 some odd inch arms, for meso to say he has the same is absurd, unless of course he is 7' tall.
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(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/ee59fe47.jpg)
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That puts you a hair under the measurement of vince taylor. LOL
Luke, I honestly fucking hate agreeing with you, I hate your political beliefs, but you're absolutely right about arm measurement. Arnold had 19 some odd inch arms, for meso to say he has the same is absurd, unless of course he is 7' tall.
Thanks, feeling the love.
I'll never understand this unwavering belief in the UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS of the pros.
Everyone who hasn't already read my reasoning, should read at least this bit:
15'' arm assumed to be 150 lbs of solid muscle ...everyone can agree with this, it holds for most average build average height non-trainers
16'' arm would go with 171 lbs ...which surprisingly matches most middleweights mass/measurement ratio
17'' arm would go with 193 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the mass/measurement ratio for most 202 competitors, and Franco Colombu
18'' arm would go with 216 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the verified mass/measurement ratio for most 1970s competitors
19'' arm would go with 241 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Schwarzenegger's verified mass/measurement ratio
20'' arm would go with 267 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Dorian Yates' verified (offseason '93) mass/measurement ratio
21'' arm would go with 294 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Lou Ferrigno's verified mass/measurement ratio
22'' arm would go with 323 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Ronnie's VERIFIED mass/measurement ratio
...do we dare to extrapolate a little further after all this direct correlation showing just how right the math is?
23'' arm would go with 353 lbs ...a measurement claimed by a contest ready 225 lb Flex Wheeler (oh borther)
24'' arm would go with 384 lbs ...the measurement you tools ascribe to Ronnie Coleman: 384 lbs at about 10% bf
NO ONE... repeat NO ONE... no one measures 2'' outside the scale... it just doesn't happen.
Goudy/Ursus, your arm is very impressive (especially considering your natural status), but it's right inside the standard variation represented by the above scale.
A 20'' arm is massive: 17% bigger than your 18.5'' arm (202/18.52=1.17)... do you think Mesomorph78 is 17% bigger than you?
Do you really think Mesomorph78 has 35+ pounds of lean muscle on you? Natural?
As grabanumbrella pointed out, Vince Taylor... known to have some of the best arms in the pro ranks... at an offseason 240 lbs... in his best ever form (late 90s comeback)... had a 19.75'' arm (arm with reattached bicep) and a 19.5'' arm.
The Luke
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Gaining an inch on your arm in 3 or 4 yrs impossible :-\
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Where is the proof video fucker? ???
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Where is the proof video fucker? ???
What he said!
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(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/ee59fe47.jpg)
Not proof. Doesnt look nearly as big as Goudy's arm
Why pray tell, would you take the time to take a pic but not put a tape on it?
That screams your not being truthful.
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I don't pic measure I video measure see last vid with a pic anyone can cheat and I see no reason why I NEED to prove myself I'm just just enjoying the thread watching people mouth off 8)
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My arms 25'' 1/8 pumped
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I don't pic measure I video measure see last vid and I see no reason why I NEED to prove myself I'm just just enjoying the thread watching people mouth off 8)
You need to prove yourself because your coming in here claiming shit, and talking shit. Thats why.
The burden of proof is on you, how do you not understand that?
Now your trying to deflect shit and say you enjoy getting people riled up because you cant back up the shit you talk. lol
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You need to prove yourself because your coming in here claiming shit, and talking shit. Thats why.
The burden of proof is on you, how do you not understand that?
Now your trying to deflect shit and say you enjoy getting people riled up because you cant back up the shit you talk. lol
Ha ha i feel no such burden ... :D
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Ha ha i feel no such burden ... :D
So, you come into a place, talk shit, say how big your arms are, and when someone calls you out, you say feel no need to prove yourself...
Hmm, sounds like youre full of shit to me. Yup.
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Whoa!... whoa!
Guys, ease up.
Mesomorph78 shouldn't be Hectored like this... I don't want to see him embarrassed.
I don't think he made the claim in a deliberately dishonest way.
He probably just figured that because he'd gained some muscle in the last few years, maybe gotten quite a bit stronger (since he seemingly posted a vid proving his arms to be 18.5') his arms must be at least an inch bigger.
That could happen to anyone... lots of trainers have been disappointed after measuring their fully pumped arms only to find that a pumped up arm is at best only an eighth to a quarter inch bigger.
Hell, most of the guys on this site probably "feel" their pumped up arm is at least an inch bigger.
Hell, most of the guys on this site probably don't even know that a pump only adds a quarter inch... some probably wouldn't even believe it...
...but thats what the tape measure is for.
The real test of character here is whether Mesomorph can admit he made an honest mistake.
If he does measure his arms and ends up retracting his statement... I won't any think less of him, on the contrary, the ability to admit one's mistakes is more enviable than a twenty inch arm.
The Luke
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You've said like five times now...
Fascinating
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Whoa!... whoa!
Guys, ease up.
Mesomorph78 shouldn't be Hectored like this... I don't want to see him embarrassed.
I don't think he made the claim in a deliberately dishonest way.
He probably just figured that because he'd gained some muscle in the last few years, maybe gotten quite a bit stronger (since he seemingly posted a vid proving his arms to be 18.5') his arms must be at least an inch bigger.
That could happen to anyone... lots of trainers have been disappointed after measuring their fully pumped arms only to find that a pumped up arm is at best only an eighth to a quarter inch bigger.
Hell, most of the guys on this site probably "feel" their pumped up arm is at least an inch bigger.
Hell, most of the guys on this site probably don't even know that a pump only adds a quarter inch... some probably wouldn't even believe it...
...but thats what the tape measure is for.
The real test of character here is whether Mesomorph can admit he made an honest mistake.
If he does measure his arms and ends up retracting his statement... I won't any think less of him, on the contrary, the ability to admit one's mistakes is more enviable than a twenty inch arm.
The Luke
You're annoying as fuck.
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Luke luke please
I've done this dance 5 times now by all means everyone please carry o e what I find amusing is the same people in the past who started like six threads 'meso is a liar blah blah'
when I posted up my vid were the same people sayin ' meso your the man big arms etc etc' or good lift'
just shows how fickle people can be
and I cannot retract the statement because my arms are like I said 19.6 cold and pumped 20
simple it is what it is
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All you are doing is INSISTING the unicorn in your backyard is a real genuine unicorn. No one believes any of that bullshit.
The Luke
A James Thurber fan..."My World and Welcome To It"
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A James Thurber fan..."My World and Welcome To It"
Sorry, don't know who that is.
The Luke
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He was a columnist/short story writer and he wrote a piece for the New Yorker about a "Unicorn in the Garden."
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where is the proof video?
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Is mesomorph the guy that's like 4'8" and 212lbs with 20" arms and 30" quads, naturally eating only twizzlers and KFC?
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THE LUKE IS TO STARK WHAT QUEEN VISSY IS TO GOODRUM....
Do you remember this tool claiming he personally knew stark and that he was some huge military commando. The guy knows nothing about bodybuilding. To claim arnold had 19" arms is pure retardedness. Only a person with about 15" arms or less would claim something so ridiculous b/c they have never achieved anything...
THE LUKE...post your picture so we can have a good laug...im sure u look very similar to vissy.
???
Arnolds arms were approaching the 20" mark.
Do you have any idea how huge a 20" arm in contest shape is? Its rediculous. Im talking contest shape here.
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Do you remember this tool claiming he personally knew stark and that he was some huge military commando. The guy knows nothing about bodybuilding. To claim arnold had 19" arms is pure retardedness. Only a person with about 15" arms or less would claim something so ridiculous b/c they have never achieved anything...
THE LUKE...post your picture so we can have a good laug...im sure u look very similar to vissy.
Well I'm just a regular dude... a regular dude whose photograph has been printed in several American and European newspapers... a regular dude who's even been interviewed on radio in America and Europe.
So everyone on here knows what I look like.
Its not as if Im some anonymous internet douche with some obviously overcompensating handle... that would just be pathetic...
Right? "SimplyHuge"?
The Luke
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mesmorphs arms look a legit 16 inchs very impressive for him
- El Chapo
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mesmorphs arms look a legit 16 inchs very impressive for him
- El Chapo
Where are you man ? they are looking for you.
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Where are you man ? they are looking for you.
im an everyman just trying to pass the time by discussing the sport of bodybuilding amongst fans
- El Chapo
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mesmorphs arms look a legit 16 inchs very impressive for him
- El Chapo
18 INCHS TOP. no way 20 you fucking retarded liiier
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another small armed person posting his opinion...need i say more.
19 for arnold is ridiculous...there are naturals with 18+ and you think 19 is hard to get with steroids? get in touch with reality.
Lol.
Go back to reading FLEX on how to get your 23" arms stud, don't let reality fool with your fantasy. lol
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Like i thought...that small armed comment must have "cut" deep. post a pic of those guns "shockwave" so we can see why you dont believe arnold had above 19" arms.
what makes me laugh about this forum is how many non-lifting idiots post on here. they have achieved nothing, yet tehy post like they are experts at everything. most of them are probably closet homosexuals..which explains why they are here in the first place, but still...its sad that hardly anyone on the board even trains. most idiots like shockwave and "the luke" are so ashamed of their own body they wouoldnt dare post a pic. must be tough living like that.
You know Arthur jones taped an offseason Arnold's (slightly pumped) arms at 19.625'' and 19.5'', right?
You know Vince Basile (from this very forum) taped a biggest-ever Arnold's fully pumped arms at just nearly 20'' after a lengthy bicep and tricep workout, right?
The Luke
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Thanks, feeling the love.
I'll never understand this unwavering belief in the UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS of the pros.
Everyone who hasn't already read my reasoning, should read at least this bit:
Goudy/Ursus, your arm is very impressive (especially considering your natural status), but it's right inside the standard variation represented by the above scale.
A 20'' arm is massive: 17% bigger than your 18.5'' arm (202/18.52=1.17)... do you think Mesomorph78 is 17% bigger than you?
Do you really think Mesomorph78 has 35+ pounds of lean muscle on you? Natural?
As grabanumbrella pointed out, Vince Taylor... known to have some of the best arms in the pro ranks... at an offseason 240 lbs... in his best ever form (late 90s comeback)... had a 19.75'' arm (arm with reattached bicep) and a 19.5'' arm.
The Luke
No he is not 30+ lbs heavier than me but his arms are clearly a genetic strong point that he does not need to be as heavy as me to have bigger arms.
Kinda like Frankhauser has ginormous calves whilst not beiong stupidly heavy.
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luke your a fucking idiot. i can't believe these people are arguing with you. All men aren't created equal as seen in calf sizes and you never explained that. Fankhouser has 21-22 inch calves and Phil has 19. Fankhouser is only 5'7 and doesn't weigh that much. There goes your theory. Arms are no different.
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all these 22+ inch claims are dubious, and sure, not everyman is created equal, someone can be "small" and yet have an outstanding bodypart.
but the thing everyone keeps overlooking is the evolutionof seo's (synthol). Darrem Charles for example, always had great arms with peaks, very good bodypart, but although he did not increase his weight by much throughout his career, his arms grew significantly, through intellegent, precise and methodical, consistent use of seo's.
Like many other pros with outstanding, extremely developed arms. Priest, Flex, Jay, Kevin, etc
So, yes, there has been that evolution since Arnold and Sergio's day.
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Hahahaha.....lots of small-armed tits trying to drag down their superiors here.
Behold the power of giant guns.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=323648.0;attach=362242;image)
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Hahahaha.....lots of small-armed tits trying to drag down their superiors here.
Behold the power of giant guns.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=323648.0;attach=362242;image)
Groink according to Luke your arms are prbably no bigger than 18 inches..
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Hahahaha.....lots of small-armed tits trying to drag down their superiors here.
Behold the power of giant guns.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=323648.0;attach=362242;image)
26 inches?
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Groink according to Luke your arms are prbably no bigger than 18 inches..
Well Luke can suck the corn out of my discarded feces. He's obviously a little shit with the genetics of a mexican landscaper. Typical internet "expert" who thinks who knows it all and uses himself and his shitty little body to gauge others
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Well Luke can suck the corn out of my discarded feces. He's obviously a little shit with the genetics of a mexican landscaper. Typical internet "expert" who thinks who knows it all and uses himself and his shitty little body to gauge others
Best, most accurate post in this whole thread 8)
The Luke is, was and will always be full of shit. His technique is to swamp people with a whole lot of obfuscations and unnecessary variables by injecting them into an argument and dress it up with a lot of scientific forumulae, to make it look like he's a man of science who just can't get it wrong. Typical case of trying to fit the facts to suit the theory, rather than adjust the theory to fit the facts.
Look at his absurd, "Your arm is xxx inches bigger than so and so's arm. Are you saying *introduce an unnecessary factor like surface area here, so he can pose an even more ridiculous question like* your arm, therefore, has a 38.943 % bigger surface area than so and so's arm?" Yeah, surface area is the most common and universally used criterion for judging arm size in bodybuilding ::)
As mentioned before, going by his ridiculous blanket statement of a "formula", a guy like Lee Priest can't have bigger arms than the heavier, taller Dan Hill, just like Eric Fankhouser can't have bigger calves than heavier, taller guys like Toney Freeman or Gunther, even though they both do. And those are just a couple of examples.
Got to love the way he dismisses facts just because they don't suit / fit his theory, which he holds up like it's infallible, lol.
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Mesomorph78's arm does look like it could be 20".
Put it this way - it looks bigger than my arm and I measured mine at 19in the other day.
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You don't need to weigh much to have very large bodyparts.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/15/article-1220536-06D40AE6000005DC-59_468x358.jpg)
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01503/arm-wrestler-popey_1503133c.jpg)
(http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/102009/small_mathias%20schlitte.jpg)
(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/matthias-schlitte-3.jpg)
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You don't need to weigh much to have very large bodyparts.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/15/article-1220536-06D40AE6000005DC-59_468x358.jpg)
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01503/arm-wrestler-popey_1503133c.jpg)
(http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/102009/small_mathias%20schlitte.jpg)
(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/matthias-schlitte-3.jpg)
His lack of symmetry sickens me.
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Jacking off will make your forearms huge while eating spinach.
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Well I'm just a regular dude... a regular dude whose photograph has been printed in several American and European newspapers... a regular dude who's even been interviewed on radio in America and Europe.
So everyone on here knows what I look like.
Its not as if Im some anonymous internet douche with some obviously overcompensating handle... that would just be pathetic...
Right? "SimplyHuge"?
The Luke
lmao
you are a gimmick
you cant back up shit
you are possibly retarded
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Jacking off will make your forearms huge while eating spinach.
;D
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15'' arm assumed to be 150 lbs of solid muscle ...everyone can agree with this, it holds for most average build average height non-trainers
Whoever wrote this originally, oh my if you believe that the average guy has 15 inch arms. :D
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Hahahaha.....lots of small-armed tits trying to drag down their superiors here.
Behold the power of giant guns.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=323648.0;attach=362242;image)
take another one outside or something? almost looks shopped lol.
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Just to put this in prespective, measured my arm today at 40 cm, the tape is very tight, i could have loosen it up a little like most guys taping to add another cm.
40cm= 16 inch
50cm= 20 inch
Thats 1/5 difference 20%
Meso's arm looks 1/5 bigger than mine here, so there is a possibility he's telling the truth, no matter what formula you throw at it. If meso wont post a pic like this we will never know, it only takes 10 seconds while you wasted hours here arguing with The Luke
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40cm= 16 inch
50cm= 20 inch
Thats 1/5 difference 25%
are you trolling?
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are you trolling?
i meant 20% difference, yeah im trolling haha, if i had 20 inchers i would post them without someone asking, especially if you posted so much video's and pics like mes
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luke your a fucking idiot. i can't believe these people are arguing with you. All men aren't created equal as seen in calf sizes and you never explained that. Fankhouser has 21-22 inch calves and Phil has 19. Fankhouser is only 5'7 and doesn't weigh that much. There goes your theory. Arms are no different.
QFT...God only knows whr Luke's dumb ass formula came from ???
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Been there done that have I ever lied or not backed up what I said in the past
I just don't think I need to prove myself to some random guy why???? Who calls me out who is luke?? What has he ever posted I've done it before I'm not doing it again without whoever the person who is calling me out is showing some accountability Ie. A wager all proceeds to charity I've proved myself ove half a dozen times ...
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All I know is my right arm is one little line shy of 21" here
if keiths arm here is 21 inches then why is it so hard to believe that Levrones monster arms are 24?
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Been there done that have I ever lied or not backed up what I said in the past
I just don't think I need to prove myself to some random guy why???? Who calls me out who is luke?? What has he ever posted I've done it before I'm not doing it again without whoever the person who is calling me out is showing some accountability Ie. A wager all proceeds to charity I've proved myself ove half a dozen times ...
Too true...ppl think that they can run their mouths with no repercussions. It's like, if u did post a vid on luke's demands....would he apologise afterwards?? HELL NO!!
He'd just disappear for a minute
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Been there done that have I ever lied or not backed up what I said in the past
I just don't think I need to prove myself to some random guy why???? Who calls me out who is luke?? What has he ever posted I've done it before I'm not doing it again without whoever the person who is calling me out is showing some accountability Ie. A wager all proceeds to charity I've proved myself ove half a dozen times ...
when you claim you bench near 450lbs and have 20 inchs guns, NATURALLY! you have to back shit up sometimes.
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I don't have to do anything ... Which I've amply demonstrated.
So ... Save your breathe 8)
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I don't have to do anything ... Which I've amply demonstrated.
So ... Save your breathe 8)
unfortunately Luke's formula must also dictate that King Kamali's arms can't be as small as they are because he is 5'9" 260ish contest shape. if an arm can't be 24'' on that frame they can't be 17'' either.
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Lees priest ha bigger arms than some guys who have 20lbs on him
same same as flex had bigger arms than Nasser who out weighed him by 20 + lbs people are bulky differently and have bodyparts that grow easily
a lot of what luke has posted is pure envy coupled with ignorance
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Lees priest ha bigger arms than some guys who have 20lbs on him
same same as flex had bigger arms than Nasser who out weighed him by 20 + lbs people are bulky differently and have bodyparts that grow easily
a lot of what luke has posted is pure envy coupled with ignorance
Are you officially diagnosed as a retard?
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Are you officially diagnosed as a retard?
you are.
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if keiths arm here is 21 inches then why is it so hard to believe that Levrones monster arms are 24?
keith was a big man with big muscles
if not mistaken, on par framewise with kaz
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unfortunately Luke's formula must also dictate that King Kamali's arms can't be as small as they are because he is 5'9" 260ish contest shape. if an arm can't be 24'' on that frame they can't be 17'' either.
true
but kings arms are probably around the 19 mark
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reading mesmorph's posts makes my brain hurt
I really hope English is just your second language dude
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I'm typing on my iPod, and often it suggests words I don't always see to make the necessary corrections, also I find the keyboard awkward to use also I'm too lazy to properly puntuate my posts. I can assure you my command of the english language is second to none. Thanks for your concern, but on this ocassion it's unecessary.
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I'm typing on my iPod, and often it suggests words I don't always see to make the necessary corrections, also I find the keyboard awkward to use also I'm too lazy to properly puntuate my posts. I can assure you my command of the english language is second to none. Thanks for your concern, but on this ocassion it's unecessary.
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also, having huge arms makes it doubly difficult! 8)
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Ha ha ha exactly :D :D
Today at my desk at work I've been that thing you squeeze to strengthen my grip, I don't know the correct name for it
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Ha ha ha exactly :D :D
Today at my desk at work I've been that thing you squeeze to strengthen my grip, I don't know the correct name for it
YES !!!!!!
Meso is an ARM DON.
I am creating a new MASTER ARM DON class and so far only myself and Meso are in it !!!!!!!!!!!
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YES !!!!!!
Meso is an ARM DON.
I am creating a new MASTER ARM DON class and so far only myself and Meso are in it !!!!!!!!!!!
i am thinking about not working out my arms anymore.....i think its just easier to wear long sleeve shirt...
bench
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YES !!!!!!
Meso is an ARM DON.
I am creating a new MASTER ARM DON class and so far only myself and Meso are in it !!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D
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can someone tell me how to fucking quote?
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=326009.msg4657141#msg4657141
FFfrgv
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Wow... been filming today, didn't think this thread would be so popular.
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding here regarding the formula I posted:
-El Mariachi made the erroneous claim that a 20'' arm is only 25% bigger than a 16'' arm
-Kiwiol erroneously claimed that I was citing surface area
-Ursus/Goudy erroneously cited Frankhauser's calves as an exception to my formula
...I'll address each of these misunderstandings individually.
El Mariachi: a 20'' arm is 25% bigger than a 16'' arm
This is actually wrong, but only when you understand what the circumference actually represents. If you think a circumferences increase linearlyly with a mass/volume (it doesn't), then you might assume that you can simply divide 20 by 16 to get 1.25 and think a 20'' circumference is 25% bigger than a 16'' arm.
But it's not.
Imagine two soup cans, big catering-size monster soup cans. Both cans are the same height (ten inches tall), but one can is 20'' around (circumference) while the other is only 16'' around.
How much bigger is the 20'' circumference can than the 16'' circumference can.
Well, let's compare the formulae:
Volume of 20'' around 10'' tall can = pi(Circumference/2pi)2 x height = pi(20''/2pi)2 x 10'' = (202/2pi)x10
Volume of 16'' around 10'' tall can = pi(Circumference/2pi)2 x height = pi(16''/2pi)2 x 10'' = (162/2pi)x10
When you divide (for a ratio), the height and 2pi factors cancel... (Volume of big can)/(Volume of small can) = 202/162
And... 202/162 = 400/256 = 1.56 ....the 20'' can is 56% bigger than the 16'' can.
So, very obviously, if a ten inch tall can that's 20'' around is 56% bigger, 56% heavier than a similar ten inch tall can that's only 16'' around.... then a guy with a 20'' arm has 56% more muscle in his arm than a guy with a 16'' arm, if both men have the same length humerus (upper arm bone).
So we could expect a proportionate bodybuilder to gain approx 56% extra bodyweight in going from a 16'' arm to a 20'' arm... for the average height bodybuilder, this means a 20'' arm requires approximately 250 lbs of lean muscle.
Kiwiol: I'm citing surface area
No. If you still don't understand the diffence between an increase in a square dependent measurement like girth and an increase in a linearly dependent measurement like length, then I've got a little thought experimet for you:
Imagine two matchboxes... a big matchbox and a little matchbox.
Big Matchbox is a bully; he taunts Little Matchbox: "Hey wimpy Little Matchbox, I'm twice your weight. That means I'm twice as big as you: I'm twice as wide... twice as tall... and twice as thick!"
But Little Matchbox knew a little mathematics, so he just laughed:
"Bullshit Big Matchbox, you are a liar! You might be twice my weight... but you arn't twice as wide; nor are you twice as tall or twice as thick as me. Everyone knows that a bundle of matchboxes twice as wide, twice as tall and twice as thick as a single box of matches would be TWO matchboxes wide; TWO matchboxes tall and TWO matchboxes deep."
"Two by two by two... that's a bundle of EIGHT matchboxes." ...shrieked Big Matchbox, realising his mistake.
Little Matchbox laughed: "You are not eight times heavier than me... you are just twice my weight, therefore considering our identical proportions you are only 26% taller than me; 26% wider than me and only 26% thicker than me. Because the cube root of two (twice) is 1.25992. To be twice my height; twice my weight and twice my thickness you'd need to be EIGHT times my weight... because weight and volume are cube dependent, not linear."
See the difference?
Arm size is NOT linear... it's not like a string getting longer without getting any thicker... arm size is NOT cube-dependent... as arm size increases an arm gets thicker and taller, but it doesn't get any longer...
Arm size is square-dependent... so differences in arm size are a ratio of the SQUARES of he circumferences... because we are talking about an increase in cross-sectional area.
Remember, ratios for linear measurements like lengths... ratios of squares for measurments like areas... ratios of cubes for measurements like volumes.
Ursus/Goudy: Frankhauser's calves as an exception to my formula
Actually no. There may be a maximum possible arm size for a certain bodyweight... but that doesn't mean there is a corresponding minimum arm size.
Taking someone like Eric Frankhauser (spelling?) for example, it might seem the discrepancy between his somewhat sub-par arms and exceptional calves disprove my formula... but that is not the case.
Actually, the formula I posted holds for calves too... once you appreciate that there is about a two inch difference between the MAXIMUM calf measurement at a particular bodyweight and the MAXIMUM arm measurement at that same bodyweight.
So:
15'' arm would go with 150 lbs ...but allow for a 17'' maximum calf measurement... and so on:
16'' arm would go with 171 lbs ...but allow for a 17'' maximum calf measurement
17'' arm would go with 193 lbs ...but allow for a 18'' maximum calf measurement
18'' arm would go with 216 lbs ...but allow for a 19'' maximum calf measurement
19'' arm would go with 241 lbs ...but allow for a 20'' maximum calf measurement
20'' arm would go with 267 lbs ...but allow for a 21'' maximum calf measurement
21'' arm would go with 294 lbs ...but allow for a 22'' maximum calf measurement
22'' arm would go with 323 lbs ...but allow for a 23'' maximum calf measurement
23'' arm would go with 353 lbs ...but allow for a 24'' maximum calf measurement
24'' arm would go with 384 lbs ...but allow for a 25'' maximum calf measurement
...guys like Frankhauser (usually of Northern European descent with lots of Brehin genes) are NOT off the scale; their massive calves are within two inches of the maximum arm measurement allowable at their particular lean bodyweight.
Frankhauser, I'm assuming, is about 230 lbs in those recent photos... so according to my simple scale his MAXIMUM arm measurement is about 18.5'' to 19'' (which he doesn't meet) and his MAXIMUM calf measurement is approximately 21'' (which he might actually be approaching).
The scale still works for calves too... just that with calves, almost no one is near the maximum possible measurement for teir bodyweight (due to racial factors)
Remember, my scale gives the bodyweight required to achieve a certain arm measurement (and by adding two inches gives the bodyweight required to achieve a certain calf measurment)... that doesn't mean everyone at those bodyweights will match those measurements: it means NO ONE significantly exceeds those measurements without the concordant bodyweight.
Sorry for the long post, hope that explains the misunderstandings.
The Luke
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monster tricep... for real
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another thread ending with guys at over 30% bf posting pics of their fat sausage-like arms. ::)
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the luke.... you are half-simple.
maybe some people dont understand a little basic mathematics on the differences in arm size, but you fail to take into account individual genetics as well.
some peoples biceps are short, some are long, some have short tris, some have long tris, etc. to try to "fit" everyone into your little formula is not realistic.
you're "measurements" may hold up for a "natural" bber, but for those on steroids, many of them have freakishly huge body parts and others that are underdeveloped. arnold had amazing arms, and everything else. to believe they were 19" is retarded. ive seen 19" arms.... my younger brother had over 19" arms a while back, they werent ripped, but even in their less than lean state, arnolds arms would still "dwarf" them...
ursus has close to 19" arms, and he is a natural...and his arms are no where near arnolds in size, leanness, or anything else. arnold is 6'2..and had long attachments for his arm muscles... a longer muscle can hold more volume and forms a bigger "ball" when it contracts....
my advice....start lifting...quit trying to prove that others cant achieve something b/c YOU cant.
...then why did Arnold's arms only measure 19.625'' when Arthur Jones measured them, and 19.875'' when Vince Basile measured them?
...then why did 300 lb Ronnie's arms only measure 21.7'' when they were measured on tv?
If you think my formula is wrong; show me a verified measurement that significantly exceeds it. Lee Priest exceeds it by an inch or so, but only because he is more than one standard deviation below average height. Can you find a verified measurement of someone who exceeds it by, say, two inches?
After all, this thread started with the claim that both Ronnie and Levrone exceeded the scale by more than two inches... in fact, both are right on the trendline.
Just one contradictory measurement. Someone? Anyone?
The Luke
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No luke i said 20 inch is 20% bigger than 16 inch, you say its 56% bigger, mathematics is funny sometimes, but you re right about that, that extra `10 cm makes a huge difference, huge
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No luke i said 20 inch is 20% bigger than 16 inch, you say its 56% bigger, mathematics is funny sometimes, but you re right about that, that extra `10 cm makes a huge difference, huge
How do you figure 20%...?
20/16 = 1.25 ...so even if you were talking about a linear measurement (a length as opposed to a circumference) that would still be 25%.
The Luke
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Hahahaha.....lots of small-armed tits trying to drag down their superiors here.
Behold the power of giant guns.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=323648.0;attach=362242;image)
that could be a lucky shot, your arms are not pro-size, how big are they, get a tape ready to shut us up ;D
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How do you figure 20%...?
20/16 = 1.25 ...so even if you were talking about a linear measurement (a length as opposed to a circumference) that would still be 25%.
The Luke
to use a relative comparison, people who think a 20 inch arm is only 25% larger than a 16 inch arm as basic fractions would suggest: that would indicate that a 18 inch pizza is twice as large as a 9 inch pizza. this is clearly not the case even though a linear 18 inches is twice as long as a linear 9 inches.
that being said, i don't think all pro's arms fit into Luke's formula. i do believe that some pros have arms larger than his formulas would allow.
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that being said, i don't think all pro's arms fit into Luke's formula. i do believe that some pros have arms larger than his formulas would allow.
I think only bodybuilders more than one standard deviation below average height can exceed the formula by more than an inch and a half... that, and synthol.
That's why I'm always careful to mention the context of a "genuine" muscular arm.
Why people believe in the existence of a 24'' muscular arm when no such thing has ever been proven is beyond me... hell, even a 23'' arm is more elusive than Bigfoot.
The Luke
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How do you figure 20%...?
20/16 = 1.25 ...so even if you were talking about a linear measurement (a length as opposed to a circumference) that would still be 25%.
The Luke
100% :20inch=5% x 16 inch=80%
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100% :20inch=5% x 16 inch=80%
What?
The Luke
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100% :20inch=5% x 16 inch=80%
16 inch arm is 20 per cent smaller than 20 inch arm. But 20 inch arm is 25 per cent bigger than 16 inch arm.
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16 inch arm is 20 per cent smaller than 20 inch arm. But 20 inch arm is 25 per cent bigger than 16 inch arm.
correct. but a 10 inch pizza is 50% the diameter of a 20 inch pizza, but probably contains somewhere around 25 percent as much food.
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16 inch arm is 20 per cent smaller than 20 inch arm. But 20 inch arm is 25 per cent bigger than 16 inch arm.
Now I get you... the "bigger" and "smaller" got interchanged earlier in the thread.
The Luke
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16 inch arm is 20 per cent smaller than 20 inch arm. But 20 inch arm is 25 per cent bigger than 16 inch arm.
no its still 20 % bigger or smaller
1/5 is 20%
40cm=16 inch
50cm=20 inch
we're talking about 100% not 125%
but luke was right, this formula cant be used for arm measurement
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math and getbig don't mix
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no its still 20 % bigger or smaller
Wrong.
A decrease from 20 to 16 is a 20% decrease. The number 20 has decreased by 4 which is 20% of the original number (20): a 20% decrease.
An increase from 16 to 20 is a 25% increase. The number 16 has increased by 4 which is 25% of the original number (16): a 25% increase.
The Luke
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Wrong.
A decrease from 20 to 16 is a 20% decrease. The number 20 has decreased by 4 which is 20% of the original number (20): a 20% decrease.
An increase from 16 to 20 is a 25% increase. The number 16 has increased by 4 which is 25% of the original number (16): a 25% increase.
The Luke
in retail if you mark something up 50% and then put it on sale for 50% off you lose money.
pay $10 wholesale and markup 50% becomes $15. mark down 50% it becomes $7.50. you go 50% both ways, but end up $2.50 in the negative.
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Wrong.
A decrease from 20 to 16 is a 20% decrease. The number 20 has decreased by 4 which is 20% of the original number (20): a 20% decrease.
An increase from 16 to 20 is a 25% increase. The number 16 has increased by 4 which is 25% of the original number (16): a 25% increase.
The Luke
let me get my calculator i need to count this ;D yes thats why i wasnt sure if it was 20 or 25%
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let me get my calculator i need to count this ;D yes thats why i wasnt sure if it was 20 or 25%
oh please - it doesn't matter!
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correct. but a 10 inch pizza is 50% the diameter of a 20 inch pizza, but probably contains somewhere around 25 percent as much food.
Im getting hungry
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I think only bodybuilders more than one standard deviation below average height can exceed the formula by more than an inch and a half... that, and synthol.
That's why I'm always careful to mention the context of a "genuine" muscular arm.
Why people believe in the existence of a 24'' muscular arm when no such thing has ever been proven is beyond me... hell, even a 23'' arm is more elusive than Bigfoot.
The Luke
I know you saw the pic of zack khan measuring his arms at 23 inches
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in retail if you mark something up 50% and then put it on sale for 50% off you lose money.
pay $10 wholesale and markup 50% becomes $15. mark down 50% it becomes $7.50. you go 50% both ways, but end up $2.50 in the negative.
I wouldn't contest Hazbins numbers...apparently he's pretty good at this stuff 8)
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I know you saw the pic of zack khan measuring his arms at 23 inches
I saw a picture of him taping his arm diagonally and not overlapping the tape end properly in such a way that the 23'' demarkation would be visible...?
Is that the picture you are referring to?
I don't think Zach Khan is actually big enough to have a 23'' arm... maybe just about a 22'' arm, that's about right for his bodyweight. But it takes about 40 lbs of new muscle to go from a 22'' arm to a 23'' arm.
I don't think anyone has ever reached the level of development that goes with a 23'' arm at average height.
A genuine 24'' arm just doesn't exist... you'd need to be a lean 350 lbs.
I know you disagree with my scale and mathematical argument... but we live in a mathematical universe; and my simple extrapolation just so happens to match pretty much every verified pro bodybuilder arm/weight ratio ever measured.
You say Ronnie had 24'' arms... but the only verified measurement we have is 21.7'' (which fits perfectly on the scale).
You say Levrone had 24'' arms... but we have no verified measurement; all we can ascertain by comparison is that his arms were smaller than Ronnie's.
Proof of YOUR 20'' arm at 210 lbs and 5'10'' would certainly disprove it. (Correct me if those stats are wrong)
The Luke
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20 page thread for the size of somebody's arm. :-\
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I saw a picture of him taping his arm diagonally and not overlapping the tape end properly in such a way that the 23'' demarkation would be visible...?
Is that the picture you are referring to?
I don't think Zach Khan is actually big enough to have a 23'' arm... maybe just about a 22'' arm, that's about right for his bodyweight. But it takes about 40 lbs of new muscle to go from a 22'' arm to a 23'' arm.
I don't think anyone has ever reached the level of development that goes with a 23'' arm at average height.
A genuine 24'' arm just doesn't exist... you'd need to be a lean 350 lbs.
I know you disagree with my scale and mathematical argument... but we live in a mathematical universe; and my simple extrapolation just so happens to match pretty much every verified pro bodybuilder arm/weight ratio ever measured.
You say Ronnie had 24'' arms... but the only verified measurement we have is 21.7'' (which fits perfectly on the scale).
You say Levrone had 24'' arms... but we have no verified measurement; all we can ascertain by comparison is that his arms were smaller than Ronnie's.
Proof of YOUR 20'' arm at 210 lbs and 5'10'' would certainly disprove it. (Correct me if those stats are wrong)
The Luke
I just have to say one thing to all of your calculations and theories.....according to WHO?
please show me the exhaustive, documented research of arm size to bodyweight ratio.
Oh that's right....i forgot...you just pull this shit out of your ass 8)
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Does Teh Luke have his PhD in Physics?
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Wow... been filming today, didn't think this thread would be so popular.
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding here regarding the formula I posted:
-El Mariachi made the erroneous claim that a 20'' arm is only 25% bigger than a 16'' arm
-Kiwiol erroneously claimed that I was citing surface area
-Ursus/Goudy erroneously cited Frankhauser's calves as an exception to my formula
...I'll address each of these misunderstandings individually.
El Mariachi: a 20'' arm is 25% bigger than a 16'' arm
This is actually wrong, but only when you understand what the circumference actually represents. If you think a circumferences increase linearlyly with a mass/volume (it doesn't), then you might assume that you can simply divide 20 by 16 to get 1.25 and think a 20'' circumference is 25% bigger than a 16'' arm.
But it's not.
Imagine two soup cans, big catering-size monster soup cans. Both cans are the same height (ten inches tall), but one can is 20'' around (circumference) while the other is only 16'' around.
How much bigger is the 20'' circumference can than the 16'' circumference can.
Well, let's compare the formulae:
Volume of 20'' around 10'' tall can = pi(Circumference/2pi)2 x height = pi(20''/2pi)2 x 10'' = (202/2pi)x10
Volume of 16'' around 10'' tall can = pi(Circumference/2pi)2 x height = pi(16''/2pi)2 x 10'' = (162/2pi)x10
When you divide (for a ratio), the height and 2pi factors cancel... (Volume of big can)/(Volume of small can) = 202/162
And... 202/162 = 400/256 = 1.56 ....the 20'' can is 56% bigger than the 16'' can.
So, very obviously, if a ten inch tall can that's 20'' around is 56% bigger, 56% heavier than a similar ten inch tall can that's only 16'' around.... then a guy with a 20'' arm has 56% more muscle in his arm than a guy with a 16'' arm, if both men have the same length humerus (upper arm bone).
So we could expect a proportionate bodybuilder to gain approx 56% extra bodyweight in going from a 16'' arm to a 20'' arm... for the average height bodybuilder, this means a 20'' arm requires approximately 250 lbs of lean muscle.
Kiwiol: I'm citing surface area
No. If you still don't understand the diffence between an increase in a square dependent measurement like girth and an increase in a linearly dependent measurement like length, then I've got a little thought experimet for you:
Imagine two matchboxes... a big matchbox and a little matchbox.
Big Matchbox is a bully; he taunts Little Matchbox: "Hey wimpy Little Matchbox, I'm twice your weight. That means I'm twice as big as you: I'm twice as wide... twice as tall... and twice as thick!"
But Little Matchbox knew a little mathematics, so he just laughed:
"Bullshit Big Matchbox, you are a liar! You might be twice my weight... but you arn't twice as wide; nor are you twice as tall or twice as thick as me. Everyone knows that a bundle of matchboxes twice as wide, twice as tall and twice as thick as a single box of matches would be TWO matchboxes wide; TWO matchboxes tall and TWO matchboxes deep."
"Two by two by two... that's a bundle of EIGHT matchboxes." ...shrieked Big Matchbox, realising his mistake.
Little Matchbox laughed: "You are not eight times heavier than me... you are just twice my weight, therefore considering our identical proportions you are only 26% taller than me; 26% wider than me and only 26% thicker than me. Because the cube root of two (twice) is 1.25992. To be twice my height; twice my weight and twice my thickness you'd need to be EIGHT times my weight... because weight and volume are cube dependent, not linear."
See the difference?
Arm size is NOT linear... it's not like a string getting longer without getting any thicker... arm size is NOT cube-dependent... as arm size increases an arm gets thicker and taller, but it doesn't get any longer...
Arm size is square-dependent... so differences in arm size are a ratio of the SQUARES of he circumferences... because we are talking about an increase in cross-sectional area.
Remember, ratios for linear measurements like lengths... ratios of squares for measurments like areas... ratios of cubes for measurements like volumes.
Ursus/Goudy: Frankhauser's calves as an exception to my formula
Actually no. There may be a maximum possible arm size for a certain bodyweight... but that doesn't mean there is a corresponding minimum arm size.
Taking someone like Eric Frankhauser (spelling?) for example, it might seem the discrepancy between his somewhat sub-par arms and exceptional calves disprove my formula... but that is not the case.
Actually, the formula I posted holds for calves too... once you appreciate that there is about a two inch difference between the MAXIMUM calf measurement at a particular bodyweight and the MAXIMUM arm measurement at that same bodyweight.
So:
15'' arm would go with 150 lbs ...but allow for a 17'' maximum calf measurement... and so on:
16'' arm would go with 171 lbs ...but allow for a 17'' maximum calf measurement
17'' arm would go with 193 lbs ...but allow for a 18'' maximum calf measurement
18'' arm would go with 216 lbs ...but allow for a 19'' maximum calf measurement
19'' arm would go with 241 lbs ...but allow for a 20'' maximum calf measurement
20'' arm would go with 267 lbs ...but allow for a 21'' maximum calf measurement
21'' arm would go with 294 lbs ...but allow for a 22'' maximum calf measurement
22'' arm would go with 323 lbs ...but allow for a 23'' maximum calf measurement
23'' arm would go with 353 lbs ...but allow for a 24'' maximum calf measurement
24'' arm would go with 384 lbs ...but allow for a 25'' maximum calf measurement
...guys like Frankhauser (usually of Northern European descent with lots of Brehin genes) are NOT off the scale; their massive calves are within two inches of the maximum arm measurement allowable at their particular lean bodyweight.
Frankhauser, I'm assuming, is about 230 lbs in those recent photos... so according to my simple scale his MAXIMUM arm measurement is about 18.5'' to 19'' (which he doesn't meet) and his MAXIMUM calf measurement is approximately 21'' (which he might actually be approaching).
The scale still works for calves too... just that with calves, almost no one is near the maximum possible measurement for teir bodyweight (due to racial factors)
Remember, my scale gives the bodyweight required to achieve a certain arm measurement (and by adding two inches gives the bodyweight required to achieve a certain calf measurment)... that doesn't mean everyone at those bodyweights will match those measurements: it means NO ONE significantly exceeds those measurements without the concordant bodyweight.
Sorry for the long post, hope that explains the misunderstandings.
The Luke
Wow. Just straight up fuckin wow. I have now seen it all.
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I just have to say one thing to all of your calculations and theories.....according to WHO?
please show me the exhaustive, documented research of arm size to bodyweight ratio.
Oh that's right....i forgot...you just pull this shit out of your ass 8)
Google: "Anthropometry" ...it's an actual science in and of itself.
There are even online databases, compiled from millions and millions of measurements. The Polish public school system (for example) used to take dozens of measurements of every single kid; millions of them, for decades (not sure if that practice continued after communism) and add that data to the extensive measurements taken of national service inductee and army recruit. The US military also compiled such databases.
In fact, it is anthropometrists who devise the sizes for mass produced clothes... everyone reading this thread is wearing the proof that such ratios work.
The same databases; ratios and equations have been compiled for chimps; orangs and gorillas... there are even limb/bodymass ratios for the major bones of farmyard animals.
For example, the bodyweight required for an approx 6' silverback male gorilla to have a 24'' upper arm is 550 lbs.
Think about that.
If anyone wants to disprove my very simplified ratio and the extrapolations I made from it, well, they can simply post some verified proof. That's how science works.
The Luke
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So they took the measurements of millions of people and you came up with this. That means this might be right for the "average" male, but there are always gonna be people who are better, and worse, than the average.
Meso destroys you.
Yes, the variance is about an inch.
Not three inches.
If Ronnie had 24'' arms, and Kevin Levrone had 24'' arms, Arnold had 22'' arms and Mesomorph has 20'' arms... why is there no evidence of this whatsoever?
Why are these measurements so at odds with a simple formula that accurately predicts every pro bodybuilders VERIFIED arm measurement?
Levrone competed at 240 lbs; 260 lbs offseason... he'd need to be 360 lbs to have 24'' arms.
Get real guys.
The Luke
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The Luke is a legit retard...
That is all.
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Yes, the variance is about an inch.
Not three inches.
If Ronnie had 24'' arms, and Kevin Levrone had 24'' arms, Arnold had 22'' arms and Mesomorph has 20'' arms... why is there no evidence of this whatsoever?
Why are these measurements so at odds with a simple formula that accurately predicts every pro bodybuilders VERIFIED arm measurement?
Levrone competed at 240 lbs; 260 lbs offseason... he'd need to be 360 lbs to have 24'' arms.
Get real guys.
The Luke
why.... because of measurements taken of gorillas and children in Poland ?
When someone does an exhaustive study of THOUSANDS of upper arm measurements of BBers, both juiced and natty...then you will have a leg to stand on.
You are comparing apples and oranges, you dolt
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luke says contest....... groink you have fatceps................. ........... like me :D
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The Luke is a legit retard...
That is all.
Then why does the ratio work?
Seems everyone here has a pseudo religious belief in Joe Weider's exaggerations.
What's wrong? Gotta believe Levrone had 24'' arms so you can reinforce the delusion your 4'' dick is a porn-compatible "seven and change"?
Someone post some proof and shut me up.
The Luke
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Then why does the ratio work?
Seems everyone here has a pseudo religious belief in Joe Weider's exaggerations.
What's wrong? Gotta believe Levrone had 24'' arms so you can reinforce the delusion your 4'' dick is a porn-compatible "seven and change"?
Someone post some proof and shut me up.
The Luke
I don't think K Lo ever had 24" arms. But that formula you posted about a person of such and such body weight having such and such arm size is something you pulled out of your ass. People have already disproven it by citing the differences in arm size between guys like Lee Priest and Dan Hill.
I'll put it very simply this way - arm size DOES NOT have a correlation of 1 with body weight, which is the basic flaw in your argument. Guys who are lighter than others who are heavier have bigger arms than the latter - lots of people see this in gyms everyday. And it's not just arms - it's also calves, back, bench press, intelligence, height etc.
You can measure over a 1000 non-lifting guys from Poland circa 1800 to support a claim that no person under 200 lb can bench 300 lb, just like no person under 300 lb can bench 400 lb and so on (to give an example), but that's not going to make it true. There will be quite a few exceptions who disprove the rule, just as they do your body weight / arm size ratio formula.
You are the one who posted that body weight to arm size ratio chart. Why don't you prove that there are no exceptions to your rule? You can't, because it's just not universally true.
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I don't think K Lo ever had 24" arms. But that formula you posted about a person of such and such body weight having such and such arm size is something you pulled out of your ass. People have already disproven it by citing the differences in arm size between guys like Lee Priest and Dan Hill.
I'll put it very simply this way - arm size DOES NOT have a correlation of 1 with body weight, which is the basic flaw in your argument. Guys who are lighter than others who are heavier have bigger arms than the latter - lots of people see this in gyms everyday.
You are the one who posted that body weight to arm size ratio chart. Why don't you prove that there are no exceptions to your rule? You can't, because it's just not universally true.
I dont thinks anyone has 24" arms its all BS.
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I dont thinks anyone has 24" arms its all BS.
Ronnie at 320 lb might have had 23" arms or a tad bigger. But no way did his arms measure a "mere" 21 something inches either. Yes, Arthur Jones measured Arnold's arm cold at 19.7" or something like that, but that one occasion wasn't necessarily Arnold at his biggest. No way were Arnold's arms less than 20" at their biggest. Anyone who thinks that has no idea of what they're talking about.
The Luke's argument is full of holes and there are tons of examples that disprove his assertion. Look at Dorian Yates and Nasser in the 97 Mr Olympia - they both weighed 270 lb, but Nasser's arms were way bigger than Dorian's. Going by the Luke's formula, there can't be any difference between the arm sizes of 2 guys who are in the same weight range.
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Ronnie at 320 lb might have had 23" arms or a tad bigger. But no way did his arms measure a "mere" 21 something inches either. Yes, Arthur Jones measured Arnold's arm cold at 19.7" or something like that, but that one occasion wasn't necessarily Arnold at his biggest. No way were Arnold's arms less than 20" at their biggest. Anyone who thinks that has no idea of what they're talking about.
Correct kiwiol most of these measurements are overblown look at this pic is there anyone with a bigger arm even today? Dont take Method101's arm into consideration.
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The Luke you suck. First you say Stark is some huge guy then he posts his pictures embarrasing you, and now all this bullshit.
there is a simple explenation for this not beeing accurate, The Luke will explain in a bit
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My arms are a legit 19" pumped.
Meso's look bigger than mine - thicker also. His probaly are 20"
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There a vide showing a guy measuring his arm over 23
mariachi. I'm sure you don't think groinks are are 18 inches cmon dude
Not because someone has big arms means he may necessarily want to tape them to prove a point you say you would if you had extraordinarily big arms that's you. Not everyone is like that. Cranky to a guy with big arms it's not that much of a big deal because he is used to big arms :-\
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to be fair, is not even tightened around his arm, probably be under 23"
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The Luke you suck. First you say Stark is some huge guy then he posts his pictures embarrasing you, and now all this bullshit.
Roberts is about 24 and Levrones looks bigger.
I don't think Levrone lied.
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Roberts is about 24 and Levrones looks bigger.
I don't think Levrone lied.
there is something fishy about that tape
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I don't think K Lo ever had 24" arms. But that formula you posted about a person of such and such body weight having such and such arm size is something you pulled out of your ass. People have already disproven it by citing the differences in arm size between guys like Lee Priest and Dan Hill.
I'll put it very simply this way - arm size DOES NOT have a correlation of 1 with body weight, which is the basic flaw in your argument. Guys who are lighter than others who are heavier have bigger arms than the latter - lots of people see this in gyms everyday.
You are the one who posted that body weight to arm size ratio chart. Why don't you prove that there are no exceptions to your rule? You can't, because it's just not universally true.
I claimed a square dependence... what the hell are you talking about?
Get real dude, you don't even understand the ratio... first you claimed I was citing surface area, now you are citing differences between people of different heights... you don't even understand the math.
It's an approximate MINIMUM lean bodyweight required to have a certain arm measurement (assuming average height).
Someone having SMALLER arms than the minimum PROVES my claim, it doesn't disprove it.
If you don't understand that circumferences relate to areas... maybe it's time to take a remedial math class.
As for me having to prove my ratio works in all instances: do you want me to measure all 6.8 billion people on this planet?... why don't you just provide ONE EXCEPTION to my rule?
After all, if this was gravity we were discussing, would the onus be on the person explaining the maths of an easily observed and already verified phenomenon... or would the onus of proof be on the person who claimed gravity doesn't apply to certain people?
The Luke
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There a vide showing a guy measuring his arm over 23
mariachi. I'm sure you don't think groinks are are 18 inches cmon dude
Not because someone has big arms means he may necessarily want to tape them to prove a point you say you would if you had extraordinarily big arms that's you. Not everyone is like that. Cranky to a guy with big arms it's not that much of a big deal because he is used to big arms :-\
yeah but groing only posted 437 pics of his biceps so far
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from pumping iron, he looks huge on stage with the lights and the low bodyfat... but come on, there is no way his arms are 22's.. he had no delts either (which makes his arms appear larger)
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Regarding Burneika's arm...
1-Not a proper perpendicular measurement (you can add up to 2'' by going diagonally around the measurement)
2-Slack tape
3-Something foreign in his biceps and triceps
Regarding Kiwiol's continued poor reading comprehension..
The ratio I posted doesn't assert that everyone at the same bodyweight has the same arm measurement... it asserts that there is a minimum bodyweight requirement for each lean arm measurement (for people within one standard deviation of average height).
If you don't understand that, think of it in terms of "A bodybuilder of average height must have x amount of lean bodyweight to have a y sized arm (y + 2'' gives the calf measurement)."
The Luke
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18'' arm would go with 216 lbs ...which surprisingly matches the verified mass/measurement ratio for most 1970s competitors
19'' arm would go with 241 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Schwarzenegger's verified mass/measurement ratio
These calculations are about right on for a bodybuilder in contest shape with extremely low bodyfat
Luke, look at this post of yours. Lee Priest competes at somewhere around 210 lb, give or take a few. So there is no way his arms would measure even 19", let alone more in contest shape, which is not true, cause his arms are much bigger than 19" onstage.
Do I have a video of it? No I don't. But I've seen Lee guest pose about 2 days out of a contest years ago and he was still in shape, cause he still had 2 more shows coming up within the span of a week or so. And trust me, his arms were close to 21".
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Roberts is about 24 and Levrones looks bigger.
I don't think Levrone lied.
First off that tape is lose, secondly, just because something "looks" bigger doesn't mean it is. Visual appearance can never be credited as a valid form of measurement. It's only good to make an estimation, nothing more.
And last, thinking that a pro bodybuilder never lied about anything, especially when it comes to measurements, is naive at best and simply laughable at worst.
I don't concur with the Luke's formula because, as proven, there are too many variables involved to make such a simple deduction. I do however believe that pro arm sizes are actually not as big as people think they are, there's so much bullshit and lies fed that people eat it up. Most of these guys arms are probably closer to the 19-21" range cold. Yates himself, who had decent sized arms (not the best by any means) said his arms never got over 19.5" at their very best which was probably closer to later in his career when he was his heaviest. So that means his arms were in the 18" range for most of his career. How some of you think guys like Heath or Coleman had/have 24" arms is just simply absurd.
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Correct kiwiol most of these measurements are overblown look at this pic is there anyone with a bigger arm even today? Dont take Method101's arm into consideration.
Arnold did not do juice all year round. when Arthur Jones measured his arm he was offseason, why else would he disrupt his contest training to visit the Jones camp. if you have seen offseason pics of Arnold, even in his prime years, there were months that he was tiny. anyone who thinks his arm was less than 20 at his largest is wrong
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Arnold did not do juice all year round. when Arthur Jones measured his arm he was offseason, why else would he disrupt his contest training to visit the Jones camp. if you have seen offseason pics of Arnold, even in his prime years, there were months that he was tiny. anyone who thinks his arm was less than 20 at his largest is wrong
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Luke, look at this post of yours. Lee Priest competes at somewhere around 210 lb, give or take a few. So there is no way his arms would measure even 19", let alone more in contest shape, which is not true, cause his arms are much bigger than 19" onstage.
Do I have a video of it? No I don't. But I've seen Lee guest pose about 2 days out of a contest years ago and he was still in shape, cause he still had 2 more shows coming up within the span of a week or so. And trust me, his arms were close to 21".
I already addressed this...
Lee Priest is the closest thing I've seen to an exception to the ratio: his arm has been verified at 21.5'' at 240 lbs.
In contest shape: 190 lbs to 210 lbs his arms would be just under 21 inches.
But, like I already pointed out, he's more than one standard deviation below average height.
Even in his extreme case: well below average height; slightly dwarfed and oddly proportioned (he's ALL arms) he's still only an inch outside the scale... so my assertion that NO ONE is 2'' outside the scale STILL HOLDS TRUE.
If my ratio is so wrong, why does it predict every VERIFIED arm/weight measurement ever taken of any pro bodybuilder?
Read back over my last few posts... I explained it all in detail.
The Luke
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I already addressed this...
Lee Priest is the closest thing I've seen to an exception to the ratio: his arm has been verified at 21.5'' at 240 lbs.
In contest shape: 190 lbs to 210 lbs his arms would be just under 21 inches.
Let's say they're 20.5" onstage. How big do you think Ronnie's arms are in the pics below (2000 Mr Olympia), where he (Ronnie) weighed around 260 lb?
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Let's say they're 20.5" onstage. How big do you think Ronnie's arms are in the pic below (2000 Mr Olympia), where he (Ronnie) weighed around 260 lb?
This sir is proof of major pwnage and this is pre 287 - 294 lb Ron.
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this is pre 287 - 294 lb Ron.
Exactly the point I'm trying to make. Lee Priest is the exception and by the Luke's own admission, has 20 something inch arms onstage. But compare his arms to those of Ronnie or Kevin or Paul Dillett or Nasser (from the 1997 Olympia, for example) and anyone can see that they have at least 22 something inch arms (about 1.5" - 2" bigger), which makes the post below wrong, cause all those guys weighed somewhere between 240 lb and 270 lb
19'' arm would go with 241 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Schwarzenegger's verified mass/measurement ratio
20'' arm would go with 267 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Dorian Yates' verified (offseason '93) mass/measurement ratio
21'' arm would go with 294 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Lou Ferrigno's verified mass/measurement ratio
22'' arm would go with 323 lbs ...which surprisingly matches Ronnie's VERIFIED mass/measurement ratio
These calculations are about right on for a bodybuilder in contest shape with extremely low bodyfat
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Not that it matters to me but coleman's arms there dwarves lees I'd estimate 22 to 23 inches there at least
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Exactly the point I'm trying to make. Lee Priest is the exception and by the Luke's own admission, has 20 something inch arms onstage. But compare his arms to those of Ronnie or Kevin or Paul Dillett or Nasser (from the 1997 Olympia, for example) and anyone can see that they have at least 22 something inch arms (about 1.5" - 2" bigger), which makes the post below wrong, cause all those guys weighed somewhere between 240 lb and 270 lb
The comment:
"These calculations are about right on for a bodybuilder in contest shape with extremely low bodyfat"
Was added by another poster who quoted me then added a comment inside the quote box (by mistake).
I never wrote that, so let's not go the route of deliberate misquoting... it's childish.
The Luke
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The comment:
"These calculations are about right on for a bodybuilder in contest shape with extremely low bodyfat"
Was added by another poster who quoted me then added a comment inside the quote box (by mistake).
I never wrote that, so let's not go the route of deliberate misquoting... it's childish.
The Luke
OK, my bad and that one line isn't what we're arguing about anyway. As you can see from the pics above as well as from the 97 Olympia where Lee was slightly bigger, guys like Ronnie, Kevin, Nasser and Paul all have arms around 22" - 23" at body weights ranging from 245 lb - 270 lb, which negates your formula.
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OK, my bad and that one line isn't what we're arguing about anyway. As you can see from the pics above as well as from the 97 Olympia where Lee was slightly bigger, guys like Ronnie, Kevin, Nasser, Paul all have arms around 22" - 23" at body weights ranging from 245 lb - 270 lb, which negates your formula.
No they don't.
Ronnie's arms were measured at 21.7'' at 300 lbs offseason... you think he adds 3'' of arm size when he diets down 50 lbs?
Again, you are judging by "look"... tape measures give accurate arm measurements... not guessing how big they "look".
The Luke
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According to your formula Khan is 353lbs here, LOL.
23.5 inches tape not slack measured properly I just love how luke brushes all this to the side
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No they don't.
Ronnie's arms were measured at 21.7'' at 300 lbs offseason... you think he adds 3'' of arm size when he diets down 50 lbs?
Again, you are judging by "look"... tape measures give accurate arm measurements... not guessing how big they "look".
The Luke
funny how you cling on to that video... Yet all other videos and picc showing any pros arms being measured over 22 inches is false ir not measured properly. In that video did you see Coleman stand on a scale and see the scale read 300lb . ::)
debating with you is pointless
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Again, you are judging by "look"... tape measures give accurate arm measurements... not guessing how big they "look".
No one can gauge down to the millimetre how big Ronnie's arms are, from merely looking at his pics, but are you telling me that they are not at least an inch (if not an inch and a half or two) bigger than Lee's in the pics above?
That's Ronnie at 260 lb with an arm measure of around 22". The pic below is him guest posing at well over 300 lb (maybe 310lb or 315 lb). There's no way they are smaller than what they were onstage at the 2000 Mr Olympia. My guess is, they're somewhere between 23" - 24".
Anyone got that pic of Ronnie hitting the side chest shot looking huge beyond belief?
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23.5 inches tape not slack measured properly I just love how luke brushes all this to the side
It's not properly measured.
It's a diagonal measurement.
Anthropometrists are very careful to define an upper arm circumference measurement as being a measurement around the arm at the widest point (usually half way between the elbow and shoulder socket) which is PERPENDICULAR to the humerus.
Diagonal measuring is a trick bodybuilders use to sneak in an extra inch (maybe even two inches if the angle is very acute). If you want to post a pic Mesomorph78, use this cheat... it might even get your 18.5'' arms close to the 20'' you claimed.
A proper perpendicular measurement would bring Zack Khan's arm down to it's real measure of just over 22'' (probably the biggest arms in the sport).
If you give me his bodyweight and bf % I can calculate his maximum upper arm size to within about half an inch, if you'd like?
The Luke
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The Luke do you have some sort of diagnosis? Autism of some kind?
Serious question.
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funny how you cling on to that video... Yet all other videos and picc showing any pros arms being measured over 22 inches is false ir not measured properly. In that video did you see Coleman stand on a scale and see the scale read 300lb . ::)
debating with you is pointless
Exactly. He doesn't want to admit that Ronnie's arms are plainly bigger than Lee's in the pics of the 2000 Olympia above, by a good inch or two. And that's not even Ronnie at his biggest onstage.
This thread came to an end with the posting of the 2000 Olympia pics as far as I'm concerned.
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No one can gauge down to the millimetre how big Ronnie's arms are, from merely looking at his pics...
...My guess is, they're somewhere between 23" - 24".
See the mistake you made?
Really Kiwiol, I get your point, but judge by the bodyweights... Ronnie's arms ARE bigger than Priest's... so that's Priest 20.5'' like you figured and Ronnie approximately 21'' onstage. A 21'' arm equates to a lean bodymass around 260 lbs at 5'10''... but a genuine muscular 24'' arm at 5'10'' equates to a lean bodymass of 350ish lbs...
Seriously, they've autopsied 540 lb male silverback gorillas who didn't have a 24'' arm. That's more than double Ronnie's bodyweight at only 6' tall.
Stop going by "feel" and "look"... do the math. I could reduce the math to a simple factor if you want to work it out for yourself...?
The Luke
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Exactly. He doesn't want to admit that Ronnie's arms are plainly bigger than Lee's in the pics of the 2000 Olympia above, by a good inch or two. And that's not even Ronnie at his biggest onstage.
This thread came to an end with the posting of the 2000 Olympia pics as far as I'm concerned.
true ... He is very biased one sided and tries to colour fact to support his arguments.
That video he so desperatley clings to is clearly not ronnie at his biggest yet luke has used that video to gauge ronnies arm measurements for all time based on that video.. Claiming and stating as fact that ronnie was 300lb in the video ::)
luke again I ask is it a fact that ronnie was 300lb in the video ::)
if so please point me to the part where he stepped on a scale
if you can't then please withdraw your statement.
Thanks in advance
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Best, most accurate post in this whole thread 8)
The Luke is, was and will always be full of shit. His technique is to swamp people with a whole lot of obfuscations and unnecessary variables by injecting them into an argument and dress it up with a lot of scientific forumulae, to make it look like he's a man of science who just can't get it wrong. Typical case of trying to fit the facts to suit the theory, rather than adjust the theory to fit the facts.
Look at his absurd, "Your arm is xxx inches bigger than so and so's arm. Are you saying *introduce an unnecessary factor like surface area here, so he can pose an even more ridiculous question like* your arm, therefore, has a 38.943 % bigger surface area than so and so's arm?" Yeah, surface area is the most common and universally used criterion for judging arm size in bodybuilding ::)
As mentioned before, going by his ridiculous blanket statement of a "formula", a guy like Lee Priest can't have bigger arms than the heavier, taller Dan Hill, just like Eric Fankhouser can't have bigger calves than heavier, taller guys like Toney Freeman or Gunther, even though they both do. And those are just a couple of examples.
Got to love the way he dismisses facts just because they don't suit / fit his theory, which he holds up like it's infallible, lol.
QFMFT
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(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/RonnieColeman36.jpg)
this us an offseason ronnie
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/off02-1.jpg)
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QFMFT
You know, despite what Kiwiol claims... circumference doesn't measure surface area.
I see lots and lots of pictures in this thread... I don't see any counter argument.
I suppose if religion can make people accept a fairytale over the Theory of Evolution... then maybe man-love and hero worship can make people dismiss basic math.
The Luke
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Ended when he compared pro bodybuilders to polish school kids and random US army dudes.
Haha true
See the mistake you made?
Really Kiwiol, I get your point, but judge by the bodyweights... Ronnie's arms ARE bigger than Priest's... so that's Priest 20.5'' like you figured and Ronnie approximately 21'' onstage. A 21'' arm equates to a lean bodymass around 260 lbs at 5'10''... but a genuine muscular 24'' arm at 5'10'' equates to a lean bodymass of 350ish lbs...
I don't think even you yourself believe deep down that Ronnie's arms are only half an inch bigger than Lee's there, cause anyone who isn't blind can see they're at least well over an inch bigger, if not two. And again, you are refusing to see evidence that's placed in front of you simply because it disproves your assertion that isn't based on a study that was done on bodybuilders anyway (see Xerxes' post above).
Why bring a Gorilla into this argument? I see what you're trying to say, but why go there, when the pics posted above make it plainly clear that guys can have arms measuring around 22" at a body weight of around 260 lb in contest shape. When you see new evidence or facts that contradict your theory, you need to discard the existing theory or adjust it to accommodate the new facts, and not simply discard the evidence or sweep it under the carpet because it's inconvenient.
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Haha true
I don't think even you yourself believe deep down that Ronnie's arms are only half an inch bigger than Lee's there, cause anyone who isn't blind can see they're at least well over an inch bigger, if not two. And again, you are refusing to see evidence that's placed in front of you simply because it disproves your assertion that isn't based on a study that was done on bodybuilders anyway (see Xerxes' post above).
Why bring a Gorilla into this argument? I see what you're trying to say, but why go there, when the pics posted above make it plainly clear that guys can have arms measuring around 22" at a body weight of around 260 lb in contest shape. When you see new evidence or facts that contradict your theory, you need to discard the existing theory or adjust it to accommodate the new facts, and not simply discard the evidence or sweep it under the carpet because it's inconvenient.
yes kiwiol has a point here, you cant neglect it, what will be your next move The Luke, seems like you cant explain this?
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Seriously, they've autopsied 540 lb male silverback gorillas who didn't have a 24'' arm. That's more than double Ronnie's bodyweight at only 6' tall.
This guy makes me laugh
luke since when are gorilla know for huge upper arms.
Why stop there Orangutans are in the 400lb regoin no human should have bigger quads or arms than an orangutan
Do you realise how dumb your argument is.
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Seriously, they've autopsied 540 lb male silverback gorillas who didn't have a 24'' arm. That's more than double Ronnie's bodyweight at only 6' tall.
This guy makes me laugh
luke since when are gorilla know for huge upper arms.
Why stop there Orangutans are in the 400lb regoin no human should have bigger quads or arms than an orangutan
Do you realise how dumb your argument is.
Heres my thing. This whole stupid argument is because you claimed to have some huge arms.
put up, or shut up. Post the pics of you taping your arms, and everyone is proven wrong. Until then, you're just another guy full of shit.
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yet fella,,,internet warrior i told you already when ronnie walked into metrofelx bobbie and i measured his arms natural a 18 with year and half hormone use he got them to 21 in contest condition,,,,off season they are 23 and half,,,we said it already,
See the mistake you made?
Really Kiwiol, I get your point, but judge by the bodyweights... Ronnie's arms ARE bigger than Priest's... so that's Priest 20.5'' like you figured and Ronnie approximately 21'' onstage. A 21'' arm equates to a lean bodymass around 260 lbs at 5'10''... but a genuine muscular 24'' arm at 5'10'' equates to a lean bodymass of 350ish lbs...
Seriously, they've autopsied 540 lb male silverback gorillas who didn't have a 24'' arm. That's more than double Ronnie's bodyweight at only 6' tall.
Stop going by "feel" and "look"... do the math. I could reduce the math to a simple factor if you want to work it out for yourself...?
The Luke
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Why bring a Gorilla into this argument? I see what you're trying to say, but why go there, when the pics posted above make it plainly clear that guys can have arms measuring around 22" at a body weight of around 260 lb in contest shape. When you see new evidence or facts that contradict your theory, you need to discard the existing theory or adjust it to accommodate the new facts, and not simply discard the evidence or sweep it under the carpet because it's inconvenient.
...you haven't posted any "facts", you just post a picture and make a claim based on how you "feel" about it.
EVERY single VERIFIED arm/weight measurement of any pro bodybuilder ever measured fits the ratio/scale that I posted.
Should we dismiss that based on your "feel" about how Ronnie "looks" in a picture?
You know there are photos taken from low down at the corner of the stage which clearly show Lee Priest to be several inches taller than Gunter... does that count as evidence?
Photos are not proof of measurements. Measurements are proof of measurements.
The Luke
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(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/RonnieColeman36.jpg)
this us an offseason ronnie
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/off02-1.jpg)
That top pic is well more than 21.7 inches...if that is 21.7 inches then I'm no longer 5'5, but 6'5.
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He has big ass arms, I am guessing over 19.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=49492;image)
I am guessing less than that. And I know I'm right.
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Heres my thing. This whole stupid argument is because you claimed to have some huge arms.
put up, or shut up. Post the pics of you taping your arms, and everyone is proven wrong. Until then, you're just another guy full of shit.
here's my thing stop askin another male to post pics of his bodyparts
1 it's gay
2 it's annoying
3 that's the last direct response you will get from me
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He has big ass arms, I am guessing over 19.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29547.0;attach=49492;image)
not in that pic that pic is over 6 yrs old I was a kid there 8)
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That top pic is well more than 21.7 inches...if that is 21.7 inches then I'm no longer 5'5, but 6'5.
Nobody said 21.7 inch arm is small. ;D
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...you haven't posted any "facts", you just post a picture and make a claim based on how you "feel" about it.
EVERY single VERIFIED arm/weight measurement of any pro bodybuilder ever measured fits the ratio/scale that I posted.
Should we dismiss that based on your "feel" about how Ronnie "looks" in a picture?
You know there are photos taken from low down at the corner of the stage which clearly show Lee Priest to be several inches taller than Gunter... does that count as evidence?
Photos are not proof of measurements. Measurements are proof of measurements.
The Luke
I know you won't admit it, but I'll say this anyway - the talk about angles, while valid, doesn't apply to the pics posted, which are taken straight on. And it's not just those pics alone - watch the video of the contest and you'll see the exact same thing.
Fact of the matter is, guys like Ronnie, Kevin, Paul Dillett and Nasser all had arms that were an inch or 2 bigger than Lee's, as can be seen in over 90% of the pics and all of the video clips of contests in which they're compared to each other or in a posedown or whatever. By your own admission, Lee has close to 21" arms onstage, which would make the arm sizes of the other guys range from 22" to 23", thus negating your original formula.
So there.
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The Luke once told me a formula for brushing teeth.
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How do you train them? lol
test and dbol
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lee priest
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where his hand is, kinda looks suspect
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obviously his arm he outward and closer to the camera........ 22" ripped guns
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Regarding Burneika's arm...
1-Not a proper perpendicular measurement (you can add up to 2'' by going diagonally around the measurement)
2-Slack tape
3-Something foreign in his biceps and triceps
Regarding Kiwiol's continued poor reading comprehension..
The ratio I posted doesn't assert that everyone at the same bodyweight has the same arm measurement... it asserts that there is a minimum bodyweight requirement for each lean arm measurement (for people within one standard deviation of average height).
If you don't understand that, think of it in terms of "A bodybuilder of average height must have x amount of lean bodyweight to have a y sized arm (y + 2'' gives the calf measurement)."
The Luke
I like how you just slide retarded shit like this in with no basis in fact like it's okay...you are a douche.
i think this thread has to end guys....we are arguing with "The Luke' for chrissakes...you know, the guy who chases Bigfoot around in a kilt?
Oh and to the guy who called my arms "fatceps"....let's see your FDB stud ;)
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Oh and to the guy who called my arms "fatceps"....let's see your FDB stud ;)
...maybe post a pic of your taped arms?
Are they actually the size you claimed?
The Luke
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Been enjoying this thread... the militant ignorance and epic fanboy delusion is highly entertaining.
I realise I can't take you guys through the maths if you don't have a basic grasp of the difference between a volume and an area; or between squares and cubes... but I can show you that the formula works for guys of average height (5'9'' plus or minus an inch or two).
Below I have a list of VERIFIED arm measurements and I'm going to double check all of them against the ratio:
280 lbs Dorian Yates (off season) 20.125'' ...measured repeatedly by different seminar attendees
260 lbs Dorian Yates (pre-contest) 19.750'' ...claimed by Dorian himself
240 lbs Arnold Schwazhisname (off season) 19.625'' ...measured by Arthur Jones
240 bs Vince Taylor (off season) 19.750'' ...measured by Joe Roark
240 lbs Mike Mentzer (off season) 18.750'' ...measured by Arthur Jones
305 lbs Ronnie Coleman 21.700'' ...measured on Chilean and Korean tv
240 lbs Casey Viatour (off season) 19.250'' ...measured by Arthur Jones
...let's include a guy who was "all arms":
250 lbs Sergio Oliva (off season) 20.250'' ...measured by Arthur Jones
...and let's include the arm mutants:
240 lbs Eddie Robinson (off season) 20.250'' ...measured by Ellington Darden
235 lbs Lee Priest (off season) 21.500'' ...measured by Joe Roark
...okay, let's compare those VERIFIED measurements with the results calculated by the simple ratio extrapolation to see if anyone actually significantly exceeds the ratio.
Taking our 150 lb and 15'' arm average guy as the starting point and calculating from the bodyweight:
Maximum arm size at 280 lbs = 20.49'' ...that's a 0.365'' discrepancy for 280 lb Dorian Yates
Maximum arm size at 260 lbs = 19.75'' ...that's a 0.000'' discrepancy for 260 lb Dorian Yates
Maximum arm size at 240 lbs = 18.97'' ...that's a 0.655'' discrepancy for 240 lb Arnold Schwarzenegger
Maximum arm size at 240 lbs = 18.97'' ...that's a 0.780'' discrepancy for 240 lb Vince Taylor
Maximum arm size at 240 lbs = 18.97'' ...that's a 0.220'' discrepancy for 240 lb Mike Mentzer
Maximum arm size at 305 lbs = 21.40'' ...that's a 0.300'' discrepancy for 305 lb Ronnie Coleman
Maximum arm size at 240 lbs = 18.97'' ...that's a 0.280'' discrepancy for 240 lb Casey Viator
...let's incude a guy who was "all arms":
Maximum arm size at 250 lbs = 19.36'' ...that's a 0.880'' discrepancy for 250 lb Sergio Oliva
...and lets incude the arm mutants:
Maximum arm size at 240 lbs = 18.97'' ...that's a 1.530'' discrepancy for 240 lb Eddie Robinson
Maximum arm size at 235 lbs = 18.77'' ...that's a 2.730'' discrepancy for 235 lb Lee Priest
Taking our 150 lb and 15'' arm average guy as the starting point and calculating from the arm size:
20.125'' arm requires 270 lbs ...a 10 lb discrepancy ...spot on for off season Dorian Yates
19.750'' arm requires 260 lbs ...a zero discrepancy ...exactly spot on for pre-contest Dorian Yates
19.625'' arm requires 257 lbs ...a 17 lb discrepancy ...Arnold Schwarz is slightly arm-heavy: no surprise
19.750'' arm requires 260 lbs ...a 20 lb discrepancy ...Vince Taylor is slightly arm-heavy: no surprise
18.750'' arm requires 234 lbs ...a 7 lb discrepancy ...spot on for Mike Mentzer
21.700'' arm requires 313 lbs ...a 8 lb discepancy ...spot on for Ronnie Coleman
19.250'' arm requires 247 lbs ...a 7 lb discrepancy ...spot on for Casey Viator
...let's include a guy who was "all arms":
20.250'' arm requires 273 lbs ...a 23 lb discrepancy ...Sergio Oliva as slightly arm-heavy: no surprise
...and let's include the arm mutants:
20.250'' arm requires 273 lbs ...a 33 lb discrepancy ...Eddie Robinson is slightly stunted
21.500'' arm requires 308 lbs ...a 73 lb discrepancy ...Lee Priest is too short for the ratio to work
So, the only person for whom the ratio breaks down is Lee Priest.
Which was probably to be expected seeing as he is more than one standard deviation below average height; has stunted arms; a touch of dwarfism to his proportions and has probably the best arms the spot has ever seen.
But more interestingly... for guys within a couple of inches of average height the ratio not only holds consistently, it even predicts:
-maximum arm size to within 9 tenths of one inch just from bodyweight
-minimum bodyweight to within 9% just from an arm measurement
That's amazing accuracy for simple ratio extrapolate from the average untrained guy.
If you limit the scope of the ratio to guys beteen 5'8'' and 6' with proportionate arms, the ratio predicts:
-maximum arm size to within three quartrs of one inch just from bodyweight
-minimum bodyweight to within 7% just from an arm measurement
Come on guys... you can't argue with those results.
-better than 95% accuracy at predicting maxiumum arm size (for a particular bodyweight)
-better than 93% accuracy at predicting minimum bodyweights (for a particular arm size)
That means the very smallest possible size/bodyweight for a 5'9'' (proportionate) guy with 24'' arms is 357 lbs.
Thread closed?
The Luke
PS- I'll happily answer any questions anyone has about the math.
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Teh Luke, your theory holds no ratio for height?
So a guy 240lbs @ 5'5" is going to have the same size arm as a guy 6'2"?
You compare your "average 5'9" guy" to several guys who are taller than that.
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How do you train them? lol
moderate on rare ocassion heavy indespensable excercises
heavy Olympic bar curls and skull crushers
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My arms measure 13" cold. Is this good? I've been training consistently for 12 years now.
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...maybe post a pic of your taped arms?
Are they actually the size you claimed?
The Luke
Maybe put your head in a vise and let someone squeeze it ?
Love these guys who think you are obligated to post pics on demand ::)
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Been enjoying this thread... the militant ignorance and epic fanboy delusion is highly entertaining.
I realise I can't take you guys through the maths if you don't have a basic grasp of the difference between a volume and an area; or between squares and cubes... but I can show you that the formula works for guys of average height (5'9'' plus or minus an inch or two).
Below I have a list of VERIFIED arm measurements and I'm going to double check all of them against the ratio:
280 lbs Dorian Yates (off season) 20.125'' ...measured repeatedly by different seminar attendees
260 lbs Dorian Yates (pre-contest) 19.750'' ...claimed by Dorian himself
240 lbs Arnold Schwazhisname (off season) 19.625'' ...measured by Arthur Jones
240 bs Vince Taylor (off season) 19.750'' ...measured by Joe Roark
240 lbs Mike Mentzer (off season) 18.750'' ...measured by Arthur Jones
305 lbs Ronnie Coleman 21.700'' ...measured on Chilean and Korean tv
240 lbs Casey Viatour (off season) 19.250'' ...measured by Arthur Jones
...let's include a guy who was "all arms":
250 lbs Sergio Oliva (off season) 20.250'' ...measured by Arthur Jones
...and let's include the arm mutants:
240 lbs Eddie Robinson (off season) 20.250'' ...measured by Ellington Darden
235 lbs Lee Priest (off season) 21.500'' ...measured by Joe Roark
...okay, let's compare those VERIFIED measurements with the results calculated by the simple ratio extrapolation to see if anyone actually significantly exceeds the ratio.
Taking our 150 lb and 15'' arm average guy as the starting point and calculating from the bodyweight:
Maximum arm size at 280 lbs = 20.49'' ...that's a 0.365'' discrepancy for 280 lb Dorian Yates
Maximum arm size at 260 lbs = 19.75'' ...that's a 0.000'' discrepancy for 260 lb Dorian Yates
Maximum arm size at 240 lbs = 18.97'' ...that's a 0.655'' discrepancy for 240 lb Arnold Schwarzenegger
Maximum arm size at 240 lbs = 18.97'' ...that's a 0.780'' discrepancy for 240 lb Vince Taylor
Maximum arm size at 240 lbs = 18.97'' ...that's a 0.220'' discrepancy for 240 lb Mike Mentzer
Maximum arm size at 305 lbs = 21.40'' ...that's a 0.300'' discrepancy for 305 lb Ronnie Coleman
Maximum arm size at 240 lbs = 18.97'' ...that's a 0.280'' discrepancy for 240 lb Casey Viator
...let's incude a guy who was "all arms":
Maximum arm size at 250 lbs = 19.36'' ...that's a 0.880'' discrepancy for 250 lb Sergio Oliva
...and lets incude the arm mutants:
Maximum arm size at 240 lbs = 18.97'' ...that's a 1.530'' discrepancy for 240 lb Eddie Robinson
Maximum arm size at 235 lbs = 18.77'' ...that's a 2.730'' discrepancy for 235 lb Lee Priest
Taking our 150 lb and 15'' arm average guy as the starting point and calculating from the arm size:
20.125'' arm requires 270 lbs ...a 10 lb discrepancy ...spot on for off season Dorian Yates
19.750'' arm requires 260 lbs ...a zero discrepancy ...exactly spot on for pre-contest Dorian Yates
19.625'' arm requires 257 lbs ...a 17 lb discrepancy ...Arnold Schwarz is slightly arm-heavy: no surprise
19.750'' arm requires 260 lbs ...a 20 lb discrepancy ...Vince Taylor is slightly arm-heavy: no surprise
18.750'' arm requires 234 lbs ...a 7 lb discrepancy ...spot on for Mike Mentzer
21.700'' arm requires 313 lbs ...a 8 lb discepancy ...spot on for Ronnie Coleman
19.250'' arm requires 247 lbs ...a 7 lb discrepancy ...spot on for Casey Viator
...let's include a guy who was "all arms":
20.250'' arm requires 273 lbs ...a 23 lb discrepancy ...Sergio Oliva as slightly arm-heavy: no surprise
...and let's include the arm mutants:
20.250'' arm requires 273 lbs ...a 33 lb discrepancy ...Eddie Robinson is slightly stunted
21.500'' arm requires 308 lbs ...a 73 lb discrepancy ...Lee Priest is too short for the ratio to work
So, the only person for whom the ratio breaks down is Lee Priest.
Which was probably to be expected seeing as he is more than one standard deviation below average height; has stunted arms; a touch of dwarfism to his proportions and has probably the best arms the spot has ever seen.
But more interestingly... for guys within a couple of inches of average height the ratio not only holds consistently, it even predicts:
-maximum arm size to within 9 tenths of one inch just from bodyweight
-minimum bodyweight to within 9% just from an arm measurement
That's amazing accuracy for simple ratio extrapolate from the average untrained guy.
If you limit the scope of the ratio to guys beteen 5'8'' and 6' with proportionate arms, the ratio predicts:
-maximum arm size to within three quartrs of one inch just from bodyweight
-minimum bodyweight to within 7% just from an arm measurement
Come on guys... you can't argue with those results.
-better than 95% accuracy at predicting maxiumum arm size (for a particular bodyweight)
-better than 93% accuracy at predicting minimum bodyweights (for a particular arm size)
That means the very smallest possible size/bodyweight for a 5'9'' (proportionate) guy with 24'' arms is 357 lbs.
Thread closed?
The Luke
PS- I'll happily answer any questions anyone has about the math.
LOLOLOL you are such a cock it's beyond words.
VERIFIED...by who....FLEX MAGAZINE and some dildos on the internet ???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
verified.......you are one funny dude :D
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LOLOLOL you are such a cock it's beyond words.
VERIFIED...by who....FLEX MAGAZINE and some dildos on the internet ???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
verified.......you are one funny dude :D
He has no pics or videos to back up these supposed verified (got to love the bolding of that word, as if that automatically makes it authentic, lol) measurements, yet will cling on to them like they're irrefutable.
There are maybe a couple of verified measurements, with Lee Priest being one of them. His arms measured a little under 21", so a lot of the top pros in the Olympias, like Ronnie, Kevin, Nasser, Flex, Dillett, Francois, Fux etc all easily had well over 22" arms, with some of them having 23 something inch arms, all while weighing under 300 lb in contest shape.
Pics don't tell the whole story, but to actually deny what you see in just about ALL of them, not to mention video clips of those contests simply means he doesn't want it to be true because it refutes and falsifies his little ratio chart, which is a load of crap anyway. Look at how he simply ignored those pics of the 2000 Olympia and is now back to saying you can't have 22" arms unless you weigh well over 300 lb, even though anyone can see some of the top pros did it weighing around 250 lb.
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LOLOLOL you are such a cock it's beyond words.
VERIFIED...by who....FLEX MAGAZINE and some dildos on the internet ???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
verified.......you are one funny dude :D
Are you saying the Luke looks like this, except with bigger calves?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gzuK9jsKG-g/StL9a5nED0I/AAAAAAAAILM/fK0_GJIaFMs/s400/headUpAss.jpg)
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He has no pics or videos to back up these supposed verified (got to love the bolding of that word, as if that automatically makes it authentic, lol) measurements, yet will cling on to them like they're irrefutable.
There are maybe a couple of verified measurements, with Lee Priest being one of them. His arms measured a little under 21", so a lot of the top pros in the Olympias, like Ronnie, Kevin, Nasser, Flex, Dillett, Francois, Fux etc all easily had well over 22" arms, with some of them having 23 something inch arms, all while weighing under 300 lb in contest shape.
Pics don't tell the whole story, but to actually deny what you see in just about ALL of them, not to mention video clips of those contests simply means he doesn't want it to be true because it refutes and falsifies his little ratio chart, which is a load of crap anyway. Look at how he simply ignored those pics of the 2000 Olympia and is now back to saying you can't have 22" arms unless you weigh well over 300 lb, even though anyone can see some of the top pros did it weighing around 250 lb.
I know it is laughable....
Let's take the infamous Arthur Jones measurements for example.....anybody actually have a pic ;) NO....but it is cited as the holy fucking grail of arm measurements. Whose to say he didn't pull the tape too tight on Arnold because Sergio was his boy, or not measure the biggest part of the arm?
Arm measurements are bullshit all the way around.............until someone devises a universal way to measure everyone exactly the same....it's crap.
PS I agree with everything you said except the Nasser part...........his arms were shitty and small :D
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PS I agree with everything you said except the Nasser part...........his arms were shitty and small :D
;D
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Maybe put your head in a vise and let someone squeeze it ?
Love these guys who think you are obligated to post pics on demand ::)
;D
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What makes me laugh is some of those verified measurements are from flex
the same magazine who repeatedly print that coleman's arms are between 23 - 24 inches
he somehow sweeps this to the side and goes with the measurments that fits into his "formula"
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I personally measured Arnold's upper arm at 21 1/2 inches at Golds Gym in October 1968. He was weighing about 250 pounds. The measurement was taken after a workout in the change room so it was not a fully pumped measurement.
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Luke will never believe this unless you put the word verified
in bold at the end of the post
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LOL mes
I personally measured Arnold's upper arm at 21 1/2 inches at Golds Gym in October 1968. He was weighing about 250 pounds. The measurement was taken after a workout in the change room so it was not a fully pumped measurement.
Yet another sample of proof from a first person's perspective that negates Luke's body weight / arm size ratio chart. But again, he'll refuse to take this into account and stick with that one instance where AJ measured Arnie's arms.
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I personally measured Arnold's upper arm at 21 1/2 inches at Golds Gym in October 1968. He was weighing about 250 pounds. The measurement was taken after a workout in the change room so it was not a fully pumped measurement.
LOL. You need commas, or better sentence structure, Vince. ;)
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LOL. You need commas, or better sentence structure, Vince. ;)
Maybe Goodrum can help him out with some links to online courses.
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LOL. You need commas, or better sentence structure, Vince. ;)
What, you've never made a Freudian slip before? ::) ;D
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I personally measured Arnold's penis at 7 1/2 inches at Golds Gym in October 1968. He was weighing about 250 pounds. The measurement was taken after a workout in the change room and it was not a fully erect measurement.
:o
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just kidding, Vince ;D
Its great that you interacted with greats such as Arnold (the greatest), in their heyday.
how did you get onto the subject of measuring though, was he receptive, and did you plan it, having a tape measure with you?
also, maybe back then it was different, but to me, I wouldnt find it natural nowadays approaching Cutler in changeroom and asking him vital stats and measure him. Not trying to imply anything, its just how times have changed, nowadays its not a natural thing, back then it was probably normal...
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I also read somewhere in flex auther also measured Paul dillets arm at 23 inches
luke
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I arrived in LA in the same week Arnold did. That was way back in October 1968. I had a VW beetle and $200 in cash and a credit card. I lasted a month and slept in my car for a week until Chip Wilson and his mate from Chicago let me sleep on their sofa. Joe Gold let me train for free. All he wanted to know was how long I would be there. Nice guy. He turned down my offer to do work around the club in lieu of fees. Arnold was a big star even then and fresh from a defeat by Frank Zane in a Mr Universe contest in Florida. He trained at Vince's Gym in North Hollywood and even in those days had guys hanging around him. There was always an entourage with him. He hung out at Santa Monica and Venice Beaches with his mates. I talked to him at Golds Gym where he came to train legs. Gironda didn't believe in squats so didn't have a squat rack. Joe had a much better gym and it was closer to the beach where the gang hung out after working out. For some meals they went to an all you can eat smorgasbord and made pigs out of themselves. Sir Georges or something like that at 16th and Santa Monica Ave or close by. Anyway, one day when I was at Golds Gym we were in the change room together so I asked if I could measure his arms. No worries. He said I would have to wait a few weeks before I could measure his calves. I did measure him around the shoulders and he was about 62 inches which was more than my 5 foot tape could measure. I always kept a tape with me so I could measure my arms and calves after a workout to see if I was getting any bigger. That was what Larry Scott recommended. He figured if you could pump your arms bigger you would be bigger the next day. That is more or less true.
I took a couple of photos that day of Arnold, Zabo and Chuck Fautz. I had that photo published in Muscle Training Illustrated. I wouldn't send photos to Weider. I ran out of bloody film so never got any more shots. I left LA at the end of October and didn't see Arnold and Dave Draper until Honolulu in Feb 1969, where they were putting on a show for Mits Kowashima. One evening I was talking about height and how bodybuilders exaggerate how tall they are. I was 100% right and everyone I measured was at least 1/2 inch shorter than they claimed they were including Arnold who said he was 6-2. Arnold was 6 feet 1 1/2 inches on the scale in Mits Gym.
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I arrived in LA in the same week Arnold did. That was way back in October 1968. I had a VW beetle and $200 in cash and a credit card. I lasted a month and slept in my car for a week until Chip Wilson and his mate from Chicago let me sleep on their sofa. Joe Gold let me train for free. All he wanted to know was how long I would be there. Nice guy. He turned down my offer to do work around the club in lieu of fees. Arnold was a big star even then and fresh from a defeat by Frank Zane in a Mr Universe contest in Florida. He trained at Vince's Gym in North Hollywood and even in those days had guys hanging around him. There was always an entourage with him. He hung out at Santa Monica and Venice Beaches with his mates. I talked to him at Golds Gym where he came to train legs. Gironda didn't believe in squats so didn't have a squat rack. Joe had a much better gym and it was closer to the beach where the gang hung out after working out. For some meals they went to an all you can eat smorgasbord and made pigs out of themselves. Sir Georges or something like that at 16th and Santa Monica Ave or close by. Anyway, one day when I was at Golds Gym we were in the change room together so I asked if I could measure his arms. No worries. He said I would have to wait a few weeks before I could measure his calves. I did measure him around the shoulders and he was about 62 inches which was more than my 5 foot tape could measure. I always kept a tape with me so I could measure my arms and calves after a workout to see if I was getting any bigger. That was what Larry Scott recommended. He figured if you could pump your arms bigger you would be bigger the next day. That is more or less true.
I took a couple of photos that day of Arnold, Zabo and Chuck Fautz. I had that photo published in Muscle Training Illustrated. I wouldn't send photos to Weider. I ran out of bloody film so never got any more shots. I left LA at the end of October and didn't see Arnold and Dave Draper until Honolulu where they were putting on a show for Mits Kowashima. One evening I was talking about height and how bodybuilders exaggerate how tall they are. I was 100% right and everyone I measured was at least 1/2 inch shorter than they claimed they were including Arnold who said he was 6-2. Arnold was 6 feet 1 1/2 inches on the scale in Mits Gym.
Good story Vince, those old days had to be cool to hangout with those guys.
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21.5 inches? vince
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/p2.jpg)
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Yes, Arnold's arm was an honest 21 1/2 inches. I was surprised but he was huge. Perhaps he was at his heaviest when he first arrived in LA. The photo above where he is doing dance work to help his posing shows him at a much lighter bodyweight.
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those pics are from PUMPING IRON... everyone looks big at low bodyfat on camera, especially when they zoom in. but whatever, i am only 5'7.5 arnold is 6'1.5.. maybe my thoughts on 21 inch arms are screwed from seeing shorter dudes with 20's looking huge
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Vince,
thanks for sharing, were you in your Mr Canada shape then?
Amazing you knew the Governator quite well then. Did you stay in touch, did he remain approachable as his fame grew?
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is this the guy The Luke got his ideas from?
http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article.aspx?ID=231
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Where is luke to hear this verified measurement from mr vince bascile
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I still wanna know if Bigfoot adheres to Luke's arm size/weight ratio? Also, does he have to shop at a Big'nTall store, or can he find clothes off the rack?
/dismantle
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Gotta say Vince, I doubt that measurement.
Didn't you post on IronAge.us that you measured Arnie's arms at 20.5'' pumped the day you took that famous pic of him doing his arms extended to the side pose (the one where the flash from another camera just happened to illuminate him when you took your pic)...?
21.5'' is just too big for a guy Arnold's size... Phil Heath at 270 lbs off-season has arms over 21''... Arnold didn't.
Seriously, that would put Arnold only an inch behind a 300 lb Zack Khan.
The Luke
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here's my thing stop askin another male to post pics of his bodyparts
1 it's gay
2 it's annoying
3 that's the last direct response you will get from me
Trying to misdirect the fact that you constantly say how big your arms are, and that theyre verified, but you refuse to post a pic, now using the excuse that "its gay"?
Your a fucking retard. Youre the one claiming how big your arms are, and youre the one refusing to post proof, cause for some reason, backing up the shit you talk is somehow "gay".
Like I said. Until you prove me otherwise, youre full of fucking shit.
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Some one who measured arnolds arm just told you it's over 21 and you don't believe
That in itself proves that you aren't sticking to your argument due to lack of proof and facts you are arguing from an "opinion" standpoint. Anyway I thank vince for putting and end to this nonsense.
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Anyone who thinks using mathmatical equations to determine measurements is correct with 100% accuracy is, despite how smart they try to portray themselves or think they are, an absolute retard
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Arnold was a tall guy with huge arms, admit it you are wrong.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/gallery/musclegallery1/a1b.jpg)
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Anyone who thinks using mathmatical equations to determine measurements is correct with 100% accuracy is, despite how smart they try to portray themselves or think they are, an absolute retard
qft spot in
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This thread is hilarious...
If Arnold's arms were 22'' they wou have been taller than his head.
The fact that posters on this board can't even understand that bodyweight increases with the square of limb girth, is a damning indictment of the American public school system.
The Luke
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My arms at 19" are probaly only 5-6" 'tall' MAX - nowhere near size of my head.
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Guaranteed if vince had said arnolds arem measured 19 inches luke would have been singing his praises.
This guy personally measured arnlds arm and gave you the result and you can't accept it? You have issues how much more verified than that can you get ....
Simply amazing....
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My arms at 19" are probaly only 5-6" 'tall' MAX - nowhere near size of my head.
They're probably not 19''... maybe measure them properly?
You're probably wrong about the "height" too...
-the circumference of a circle with a 5'' diameter = 2piR = (2)x(3.1459)x(2.5'') = 15.7''
-the circumference of a circle with a 6'' diameter = 2piR = (2)x(3.1459)x(3.0'') = 18.8''
...if they are 19'', then considering the human arm is not tubular but more like an elipse in cross-section, they're probably taller than that... maybe 7'' or so.
Or perhaps they're just less 19'' in circumference.
Maybe Goudy you could give me your height; weight and bf % and I'll use the ratio I posted to estimate your arm circumference... then you could post a pic of your arm properly taped (arm at 90 degrees to the body and tape perpendicular to the humerus) and we could see how accuate the estimate is?
The Luke
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They're probably not 19''... maybe measure them properly?
You're probably wrong about the "height" too...
-the circumference of a circle with a 5'' diameter = 2piR = (2)x(3.1459)x(2.5'') = 15.7''
-the circumference of a circle with a 6'' diameter = 2piR = (2)x(3.1459)x(3.0'') = 18.8''
...if they are 19'', then considering the human arm is not tubular but more like an elipse in cross-section, they're probably taller than that... maybe 7'' or so.
Or perhaps they're just less 19'' in circumference.
Maybe Goudy you could give me your height; weight and bf % and I'll use the ratio I posted to estimate your arm circumference... then you could post a pic of your arm properly taped (arm at 90 degrees to the body and tape perpendicular to the humerus) and we could see how accuate the estimate is?
The Luke
I'm sure he will get right on that....this way you can verify how big his arm is ::)
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This is a retarded and unsound statement...
Also, I can understand perfectly easily that there is difference between the volume of an arm and the circumference...
AGAIN, what you fail to understand is that HEIGHT and GENETICS make a HUGE difference. A taller guy normally has LONGER muscle bellies, so when he contracts.. it creates a bigger muscle. If he has long muscle attachments to boot, then you get an even bigger arm.
This is why it is so difficult for a smaller guy to have the same size arms as a tall guy. you can weigh more than the taller guy, but still have smaller arms b/c he has longer muscle bellies.
now, most pros in bbing today are midgets...arnold though, was 6'2...and had extremely good genetics for arms.
why you cant understand this is beyond me.
X2, why is this kid so hell bent on disproving everyone!
The new title thread is funny too.
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You just posted a pic of Arnold and Franco posing side by side...
Franco's 17ish arm looks mighty comparable to Arnold's supposed 22'' arms.
Now, if Arnold's were actually 19ish....
The Luke
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You just posted a pic of Arnold and Franco posing side by side...
Franco's 17ish arm looks mighty comparable to Arnold's supposed 22'' arms.
Now, if Arnold's were actually 19ish....
The Luke
What I thought too. There should be a 4" difference some where between Arnold's and Franco's arm haha.
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They're probably not 19''... maybe measure them properly?
You're probably wrong about the "height" too...
-the circumference of a circle with a 5'' diameter = 2piR = (2)x(3.1459)x(2.5'') = 15.7''
-the circumference of a circle with a 6'' diameter = 2piR = (2)x(3.1459)x(3.0'') = 18.8''
...if they are 19'', then considering the human arm is not tubular but more like an elipse in cross-section, they're probably taller than that... maybe 7'' or so.
Or perhaps they're just less 19'' in circumference.
Maybe Goudy you could give me your height; weight and bf % and I'll use the ratio I posted to estimate your arm circumference... then you could post a pic of your arm properly taped (arm at 90 degrees to the body and tape perpendicular to the humerus) and we could see how accuate the estimate is?
The Luke
Tad over 6'3, no idea about bf % though I have abs and also. BTW I mean 19" pumped. I will see if I have a tape measure about.
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Leroy Colbert was the first bodybuilder to have 20 1/2 inch arms. When you saw his photos you accepted this measurement because he was huge. Likewise, Arnold is another big guy. I remember when he came to my gym in 1974 to pose and do a seminar. Later that night he went to Tony's Gym in Sydney for another posing display then came to my penthouse at Manly for a meal.
Those of us who saw Arnold up close marvelled at how big he was. When you saw his arms there didn't seem to be any more room for any additional size. He had veins that looked like ropes! Anyway, I did measure his arm at 21 1/2 and am not exaggerating. I know how to measure an arm correctly at right angles to the bone and I did that on that day back in October 1968 in Golds Gym on Main Street.
I have had my arms up to 18 3/4 pumped and they look small compared to Arnold's arms. Arnold was taller and heavier than me by heaps. In those days he and Sergio were huge almost beyond belief.
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The stupidity in this thread is absolutely shocking...
Arnold had 22'' arms... Ronnie had 24'' arms... Levrone had 24'' arms in contest shape... Bullshit!
We have three different videos showing a 300+ lb prime-of-career Ronnie Coleman having his arms measured at 21.7''.
We have pictures showing a 300+ lb Zack Khan needing a diagonal measurement to even approach a 23' arm (meaning his arms are only a shade over 22'' if measured properly).
We have pictures of Sergio Oliva standing onstage with his elbow only inches from Arnold's with his measured and verified genuine 20'' arm matching Arnold for size.
We have pictures of Casey Viator, the same lean bodyweight as Arnold but 4'' shorter taping his very impressive arm at 19.25''.
We have pictures of Eddie Robinson, the same lean bodyweight as Arnold but 7'' shorter taping his gargantuan arm at 20.5''.
There's even a video in which Guinness World Records (at a live outdoor event attended by a sizable crowd) measured Gregg Valentino's looks-like-I-put-basketballs-under-my-skin scar-tissue/oil filled arms at only 24.25''.
But somehow... someway... Arnold managed to have 22'' arms.... even though guys like Vince Taylor can't break 20'' despite being having a contest weight in excess of Arnold's off-season bodyweight while being 6'' shorter and known for having exceptional arms.
If Arnold really had 22'' arms, that means Arnold's forearm was bigger than Dorian Yates' upper arm when Dorian was a shredded 265 lbs.... sound plausible?
The Luke
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There you have it someone who has measured arnolds arm how much more verified than that can you get
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I agree. Basile measured it.
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Where are the three vids of
1. Ronnies arm being measured at 21.7 please post all 3 vids
2. Ronnie Coleman standing on the scale in each of these vids and the scale showing 300lbs
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Vince,
Didn't you post the famous picture you took of Arnold doing his praying mantis pose in a thread over on IronAge.us wherein you claimed to have measured Arnolds arm at just over 20'' pumped...?
The Luke
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Where are the three vids of
1. Ronnies arm being measured at 21.7 please post all 3 vids
2. Ronnie Coleman standing on the scale in each of these vids and the scale showing 300lbs
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Here is the vid of him being measured, no scale of course. And he looks far offof 300 pounds, and kinda down on weight as well.
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Here is the vid of him being measured, no scale of course. And he looks far offof 300 pounds, and kinda down on weight as well.
exactly ... I just love how luke embelishes ronnie was 300 lb ::)
and prime ... ::)
it's like he will do or say anything to win an argument. Which he has clearly lost. We have a gentleman here who measured arnolds arm if vince had said arnies arm was 19 inches luke would have accepted but because he measured Arnies arm near 22 inches which anyone with two eyes and common sense and actually worked out could see that arnies arm were around that side... Luke will not accept it.
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Isn't that Korean video from about a month after he competed in the 2004 Olympia at nearly 300 lbs...?
His chest measurement of 146 cm converts to 57.5 inches...
His arm measurement of 55 cm converts to 21.7 inches...
His thigh measurement of 84 cm converts to 33.1 inces...
Firstly, the video is crimped: mistakenly converted to 4:3 ratio from widescreen when it was originally 4:3, notice the black bars either side of the screen. Thats why he "looks" small... but he certainly isn't.
With a 58'' chest, 22'' arms and 33'' thighs he's probably well over 320 lbs.
But if you need to believe that Ronnie drops a hundred pounds of muscle in the four weeks after the Olympia in order to maintain your fantasy about Arnold's arms being bigger than they possibly could have been... I won't stop you.
Do I believe Arnold's arms were ever the same size as the arms Ronnie displayed at the 2004 Olympia... no, sorry.
The Luke
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Ronnie was 305 lbs there, he says on the full video, it's 1 month after the 2004 olympia, arms are 22 inches cut like diamonds
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(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs495.ash1/27062_357474139390_503774390_3528237_1984060_n.jpg)
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You just posted a pic of Arnold and Franco posing side by side...
Franco's 17ish arm looks mighty comparable to Arnold's supposed 22'' arms.
Now, if Arnold's were actually 19ish....
The Luke
that shot doesnt do it justice, franco close to camera, blah, blah.. but, you have a point, arnolds arms in all pics together arent much bigger than francos 17s
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I don't think K Lo ever had 24" arms. But that formula you posted about a person of such and such body weight having such and such arm size is something you pulled out of your ass. People have already disproven it by citing the differences in arm size between guys like Lee Priest and Dan Hill.
I'll put it very simply this way - arm size DOES NOT have a correlation of 1 with body weight, which is the basic flaw in your argument. Guys who are lighter than others who are heavier have bigger arms than the latter - lots of people see this in gyms everyday. And it's not just arms - it's also calves, back, bench press, intelligence, height etc.
You can measure over a 1000 non-lifting guys from Poland circa 1800 to support a claim that no person under 200 lb can bench 300 lb, just like no person under 300 lb can bench 400 lb and so on (to give an example), but that's not going to make it true. There will be quite a few exceptions who disprove the rule, just as they do your body weight / arm size ratio formula.
You are the one who posted that body weight to arm size ratio chart. Why don't you prove that there are no exceptions to your rule? You can't, because it's just not universally true.
Lmaoooooo...."The Dupe" doesen't understand the very simple concept that the correlation beteen bodyeight and the size of any bodypart is so nonlinear as to be statistically meaningless. A 400 lbs obese man has a huge midsection, a smaller glutes and even smaller arms. A muscular 200 lbs poelifter ho specializes on the bench press has huge frontal deltoids, large triceps, big pectoralis and tiny quads. Lee Priest had 21" arms at 225 lbs hilst Dorian had 20" arms at 270 lbs. He questioned Kovacs having 27" arms despite the fact that he as 450 lbs off-season and that his arms ere huge even for his size. There are a multitudude of variables hich affect the relative size of a man's muscles in relation to one another: the length of muscle bellies, the relative diameter of the bones that underlie the muscle and supports it, the the density and proportion of muscle fibers ith some fibers hypertrophying to a greater degree than others, the amount of intramuscular lipids and ater and of course the emphasis that the given individual gives in his training to each muscle. The Dupe is a moron and should really shut up before he gets ridicularized by others more.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
P.S The 23 rd letter on my keyboard is jammed.
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Lmaoooooo...."The Dupe" doesen't understand the very simple concept that the correlation beteen bodyeight and the size of any bodypart is so nonlinear as to be statistically meaningless. A 400 lbs obese man has a huge midsection, a smaller glutes and even smaller arms. A muscular 200 lbs poelifter ho specializes on the bench press has huge frontal deltoids, large triceps, big pectoralis and tiny quads. Lee Priest had 21" arms at 225 lbs hilst Dorian had 20" arms at 270 lbs. He questioned Kovacs having 27" arms despite the fact that he as 450 lbs off-season and that his arms ere huge even for his size. There are a multitudude of variables hich affect the relative size of a man's muscles in relation to one another: the length of muscle bellies, the relative diameter of the bones that underlie the muscle and supports it, the the density and proportion of muscle fibers ith some fibers hypertrophying to a greater degree than others, the amount of intramuscular lipids and ater and of course the emphasis that the given individual gives in his training to each muscle. The Dupe is a moron and should really shut up before he gets ridicularized by others more.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
P.S The 23 rd letter on my keyboard is jammed.
Kovacs had a genuine 27'' arm...? You been smokin' dat der crack boy?
The Luke
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Kiwiol and Suckmymuscle just destroyed your bodyweight vs. bodypart size correlation and your only response is questioning Kovac's measurements? Delusional
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Lmaoooooo...."The Dupe" doesen't understand the very simple concept that the correlation beteen bodyeight and the size of any bodypart is so nonlinear as to be statistically meaningless. A 400 lbs obese man has a huge midsection, a smaller glutes and even smaller arms. A muscular 200 lbs poelifter ho specializes on the bench press has huge frontal deltoids, large triceps, big pectoralis and tiny quads. Lee Priest had 21" arms at 225 lbs hilst Dorian had 20" arms at 270 lbs. He questioned Kovacs having 27" arms despite the fact that he as 450 lbs off-season and that his arms ere huge even for his size. There are a multitudude of variables hich affect the relative size of a man's muscles in relation to one another: the length of muscle bellies, the relative diameter of the bones that underlie the muscle and supports it, the the density and proportion of muscle fibers ith some fibers hypertrophying to a greater degree than others, the amount of intramuscular lipids and ater and of course the emphasis that the given individual gives in his training to each muscle. The Dupe is a moron and should really shut up before he gets ridicularized by others more.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
P.S The 23 rd letter on my keyboard is jammed.
Kovacs was a huge man in his prime but let's not go overboard....
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be a man luke and evaluate your formula
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be a man luke and evaluate your formula
Based on what...?
In the pictures posted Heath's arm measures 55cm (21.7'') with a slack tape... that's what? 53cm (20.9'') with a taught tape... maybe 52cm (20.5'') without a pump (the pump only adds an eighth to a quarter of an inch, despite what people think).
So, if Heath has a genuine 20.5'' arm what does that do to my formula?
Well, what bodyweight does my formula produce for a 20.5'' arm?
Double check the maths yourselves if you don't believe me:
(20.5'')2/(15'')2x150 = (420.25/225)x150 = 1.8678x150 = 280 lbs ...for a guy who is average height.
Sounds about right to me. Even if Heath is only 260 lbs in those pictures... and even if his arms are a full 55cm cold (they aren't), as some assert, well the formula still gives his arm size to within an inch (actually less than 0.9 of an inch).
Still no evidence of anyone beating the formula by a significant margin, (well except for Lee Priest).
But if you guys want to believe...
-Kevin Levrone had 24'' arms in contest shape
-Ronnie Coleman had 24'' arms
-Greg Kovacs had 27'' arms
-Arnold had 22'' arms (bigger than Heath's arms in the above photos)
...well then, go ahead. Reality is for atheists anyway.
The Luke
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Based on what...?
blah, blah, blah
The whole premise of your argument is ridiculous. Firstly, you treat your formula like it's infallible and absolute, like it was handed to you by God in Mt Sinai, when in all likelihood you pulled it out of the exact same place Tbombz likes receiving deep tissue massages in.
Secondly, you contradict yourself and evade evidence that falsifies your absurd body weight / arm size ratio. According to you, Lee Priest had 21" arms onstage, but pics and clips showing guys like Ronnie or Nasser having much bigger arms to you are all deceiving due to the angles they were taken from, never mind the fact that a lot of them are straight on.
I could come up with an absurd formula too, like body weight vs bench press, based on the same kind of sample population (non lifting teenage boys who did the paper route in Poland between 1877 - 1882) and keep talking about how all the powerlifters out there are full of shit, because they don't fit my formula, but it won't make it true to the slightest degree, no matter how many steps of calculations I show and what not.
I know you won't admit it, but your assertion has been disproved with multiple examples in this thread by different people, sometimes from the first person perspective. So better luck next time ;)
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Based on what...?
In the pictures posted Heath's arm measures 55cm (21.7'') with a slack tape... that's what? 53cm (20.9'') with a taught tape... maybe 52cm (20.5'') without a pump (the pump only adds an eighth to a quarter of an inch, despite what people think).
So, if Heath has a genuine 20.5'' arm what does that do to my formula?
Well, what bodyweight does my formula produce for a 20.5'' arm?
Double check the maths yourselves if you don't believe me:
(20.5'')2/(15'')2x150 = (420.25/225)x150 = 1.8678x150 = 280 lbs ...for a guy who is average height.
Sounds about right to me. Even if Heath is only 260 lbs in those pictures... and even if his arms are a full 55cm cold (they aren't), as some assert, well the formula still gives his arm size to within an inch (actually less than 0.9 of an inch).
Still no evidence of anyone beating the formula by a significant margin, (well except for Lee Priest).
But if you guys want to believe...
-Kevin Levrone had 24'' arms in contest shape
-Ronnie Coleman had 24'' arms
-Greg Kovacs had 27'' arms
-Arnold had 22'' arms (bigger than Heath's arms in the above photos)
...well then, go ahead. Reality is for atheists anyway.
The Luke
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i LOVE HOW YOU JUST USED THREE BULLSHIT "FACTS" THAT YOU PULL OUT OF YOUR ASS TO SHRINK HEATH'S ARM BY 1 1/4 INCHES!!!!!!!!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL......SERIOUSLY YOU ARE THE BIGGEST JOKE I'VE EVER RUN ACROSS
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Lmaoooooo...."The Dupe" doesen't understand the very simple concept that the correlation beteen bodyeight and the size of any bodypart is so nonlinear as to be statistically meaningless. A 400 lbs obese man has a huge midsection, a smaller glutes and even smaller arms. A muscular 200 lbs poelifter ho specializes on the bench press has huge frontal deltoids, large triceps, big pectoralis and tiny quads. Lee Priest had 21" arms at 225 lbs hilst Dorian had 20" arms at 270 lbs. He questioned Kovacs having 27" arms despite the fact that he as 450 lbs off-season and that his arms ere huge even for his size. There are a multitudude of variables hich affect the relative size of a man's muscles in relation to one another: the length of muscle bellies, the relative diameter of the bones that underlie the muscle and supports it, the the density and proportion of muscle fibers ith some fibers hypertrophying to a greater degree than others, the amount of intramuscular lipids and ater and of course the emphasis that the given individual gives in his training to each muscle. The Dupe is a moron and should really shut up before he gets ridicularized by others more.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
P.S The 23 rd letter on my keyboard is jammed.
That Kovacs arm measurement aside, the above post is spot on. And Kovacs did have some ridiculous arms - I remember seeing pics of his arms DWARFING that of the arm Don Aaron Maadron in some expo, even though Maddron was no slouch himself and weighed around 260 lb.
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It would be kind of hilarious though if bigfoot actually turned out to be real, imagine the owning the Luke would have pulled off on us.
But until then, he's a fucking loser.
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Secondly, you contradict yourself and evade evidence that falsifies your absurd body weight / arm size ratio. According to you, Lee Priest had 21" arms onstage, but pics and clips showing guys like Ronnie or Nasser having much bigger arms to you are all deceiving due to the angles they were taken from, never mind the fact that a lot of them are straight on.
The formula works to within an inch for everyone except Lee Priest.
It's you nuthuggers who need to get real... Coleman's arms were the biggest and best ever in the pro leagues, and they were at best 22''.
Yes they are significantly bigger than Lee Priest's in pics... because Priest's are approaching 21'' in context shape and Ronnie's are approaching 22''.
Why don't you explain your position Kiwiol?
If Ronnie had 21.7'' arms at 305 lbs lean (as videoed) when did he have 24'' arms? The offseason he reached 500 lbs lean?
If Heath need a lax measurement with a slack tape to have 21+'' arms and Zack Khan has only 22+'' arms... how could Arnold have 22'' arms?
Is it all based on your "feelings" from looking at photographs?
If you "feel" your arm is 30'', does that make it so?
The Luke
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i LOVE HOW YOU JUST USED THREE BULLSHIT "FACTS" THAT YOU PULL OUT OF YOUR ASS TO SHRINK HEATH'S ARM BY 1 1/4 INCHES!!!!!!!!!
Guess you didn't read this bit...
Even if Heath is only 260 lbs in those pictures... and even if his arms are a full 55cm cold (they aren't), as some assert, well the formula still gives his arm size to within an inch (actually less than 0.9 of an inch).
The Luke
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Guess you didn't read this bit...
The Luke
LOLOL...quoting yourself as if it means something...every single person here views you as a complete idiot, no one takes you seriously
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The formula works to within an inch for everyone except Lee Priest.
It's you nuthuggers who need to get real... Coleman's arms were the biggest and best ever in the pro leagues, and they were at best 22''.
Yes they are significantly bigger than Lee Priest's in pics... because Priest's are approaching 21'' in context shape and Ronnie's are approaching 22''.
Why don't you explain your position Kiwiol?
If Ronnie had 21.7'' arms at 305 lbs lean (as videoed) when did he have 24'' arms? The offseason he reached 500 lbs lean?
If Heath need a lax measurement with a slack tape to have 21+'' arms and Zack Khan has only 22+'' arms... how could Arnold have 22'' arms?
Is it all based on your "feelings" from looking at photographs?
If you "feel" your arm is 30'', does that make it so?
The Luke
Firstly, these guys fluctuate in bodyweight, limb size and strength between contests, in different years. So to hold up that one time Ronnie got measured (for which the evidence is flimsier than proofs that show otherwise) as the only acceptable one is ridiculous.
Arnold looked very unimpressive at times in between one Olympia contest and another. So if his arms got measured, you'd get a fluctuation of 2 - 3", based on the time it was done. What you do is take the lower end of that measurement and make it seem like the higher measurement doesn't exist.
If I "feel" my arm is 30", it won't make it so, just like if I come up with a body weight / arm size ratio chart, it won't be absolute, infallible and universal, no matter who is being measured, solely based on my claiming the same.
If you think Ronnie's arms are only an inch bigger than Lee's, there's no point arguing about it. You can make someone see something only if they don't refuse to see it and accept it in the first place.
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LOLOL...quoting yourself as if it means something...every single person here views you as a complete idiot, no one takes you seriously
Groink,
Your arms are 19'' and look too big for your body, even though you're 260 lbs.
How can you believe ANYONE has a 24'' arm when even you yourself fit into my formula perfectly?
I've posted all the data I used and even showed the math... what's to argue?
The Luke
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LOLOL...quoting yourself as if it means something
;D
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Firstly, these guys fluctuate in bodyweight, limb size and strength between contests, in different years. So to hold up that one time Ronnie got measured (for which the evidence is flimsier than proofs that show otherwise) as the only acceptable one is ridiculous.
Ronnie claimed to weigh 305 lbs in that video... just stretch it to it's original aspect ratio, he looks just as big as ever. It's also only a month after the 2004 Olympia.
Do you think he shed 100 lbs of muscle in four weeks, or do you think he weighed a 100 lbs more in the offseason than he did at the Olympia... which one is it?
I'm trying to entertain your argument, but the only evidence you have is your "feeling" that the obvious difference between Ronnie's arms and Priest's arms in pictures constitutes two or three inches of circumference.
But "feelings" don't measure arms, tape measures do... why not just accept the tape measurements?
Aside from your "feelings", do you have a valid criticism of my math?
The Luke
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P.S The 23 rd letter on my keyboard is jammed.
Would that happen to be from past meltdowns from all the ownings you received here?
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But "feelings" don't measure arms, tape measures do... why not just accept the tape measurements?
OK, I will. In which case, going by your own logic, Basile measured Arnold at 21.5", which can't be argued against and which once again disproves your precious little formula ;D
But we're just going around in circles here and I'm bored with this thing already.
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OK, I will. In which case, going by your own logic, Basile measured Arnold at 21.5", which can't be argued against and which once again disproves your precious little formula ;D
I like Vince... he's a great guy, who runs a top notch gym.
But I think he's mistaken with that measurement.
I remember reading his posts on IronAge.us where he claimed to have measured Arnold's arms at 20.5''... even on this site he has claimed to have measured Arnold's arms at 21.5'' in 1968 (soft 230 lb Arnold) while simultaneously claiming in another thread to have measured Arnold's arms at 21.5'' in 1974 (biggest ever: ripped 250 lb Arnold).
I'm not sure which one to believe... but without pics or video evidence, I'll go with the formula, it predicts every verified and proven measurement ever taken really.
The Luke
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Ok man, stick to your formula. ::)
Just don't bother us with it anymore.
So we're all agreed NO ONE has a 24'' arm; and NO ONE has a 23'' arm on stage?
Doesn't that mean I won?
If I won an argument on the internet, doesn't that mean I'm retarded?
The Luke
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So we're all agreed NO ONE has a 24'' arm; and NO ONE has a 23'' arm on stage?
Doesn't that mean I won?
If I won an argument on the internet, doesn't that mean I'm retarded?
The Luke
We're all agreed that arguing with you further in this matter is pointless, esp. given you've been disproven both factually and theoretically.
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We're all agreed that arguing with you further in this matter is pointless, esp. given you've been disproven both factually and theoretically.
More "feelings"?
Is there things, Kiwiol?
The Luke
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More "feelings"?
Is there things, Kiwiol?
The Luke
I just like giving you shit ;D
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Believe what you want to believe. But no were not all agreed the magority of people who actually work out and also veteran vince who personally measured arnolds arm know better but by all means keep your formulae
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I just like giving you shit ;D
Funny, that's just what I think of your criticisms.
The Luke
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That Kovacs arm measurement aside, the above post is spot on. And Kovacs did have some ridiculous arms - I remember seeing pics of his arms DWARFING that of the arm Don Aaron Maadron in some expo, even though Maddron was no slouch himself and weighed around 260 lb.
You see, the problem is that "The Dupe" has this beautiful orld of equations and physics, and hen reality doesen't agree ith his equations he chooses to discard reality instead of discarding the equation. Of course, his physics and math are 100% correct. The problem is that they are based on not one but to axiomatically flaed premisses: that mass is symmetrically distributed beteen bodyparts and that groth is also symmetrical. Mass is not symmetrically distributed beteen bodyparts to begin ith, and even if it ere, there ould still be only a statistically small correlation beteen bodyeight and the size of individual bodyparts because groth ould not be symmetrical. The reason hy this is so, hich The Dupe ignores, is that the muscles are morphologically and physiologically different beteen individuals, resulting not only in differing original sizes for same muscles beteen different people same bodyeight, but they also gro to different dgrees beteen individuals.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You see, the problem is that "The Dupe" has this beautiful orld of equations and physics, and hen reality doesen't agree ith his equations he chooses to discard reality instead of discarding the equation. Of course, his physics and math are 100% correct. The problem is that they are based on not one but to axiomatically flaed premisses: that mass is symmetrically distributed beteen bodyparts and that groth is also symmetrical. Mass is not symmetrically distributed beteen bodyparts to begin ith, and even if it ere, there ould still be only a statistically small correlation beteen bodyeight and the size of individual bodyparts because groth ould not be symmetrical. The reason hy this is so, hich The Dupe ignores, is that the muscles are morphologically and physiologically different beteen individuals, resulting not only in differing original sizes for same muscles beteen different people same bodyeight, but they also gro to different dgrees beteen individuals.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Post proof of the VERIFIED arm measurement of any bodybuilder within a standard deviation of average height and I'll calculate his lean (10% bf) bodyweight within 10% accuracy.
Post proof of the VERIFIED lean (10% bf) bodyweight of any bodybuilder within a standard deviation of average height and I'll calculate his arm measurement; a measurement he won't exceed by more than an inch.
Experiment is the arbiter of theory.
Test me.
The Luke
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I just like giving you shit ;D
you like giving alot of people shit ;D ;D
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you like giving alot of people shit ;D ;D
He just likes talking shit.
The Luke
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He just likes talking shit.
The Luke
he is a fucking funny poster though
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You see, the problem is that "The Dupe" has this beautiful orld of equations and physics, and hen reality doesen't agree ith his equations he chooses to discard reality instead of discarding the equation. Of course, his physics and math are 100% correct. The problem is that they are based on not one but to axiomatically flaed premisses: that mass is symmetrically distributed beteen bodyparts and that groth is also symmetrical. Mass is not symmetrically distributed beteen bodyparts to begin ith, and even if it ere, there ould still be only a statistically small correlation beteen bodyeight and the size of individual bodyparts because groth ould not be symmetrical. The reason hy this is so, hich The Dupe ignores, is that the muscles are morphologically and physiologically different beteen individuals, resulting not only in differing original sizes for same muscles beteen different people same bodyeight, but they also gro to different dgrees beteen individuals.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Who says you can't say ownage without a w? 8)
you like giving alot of people shit ;D ;D
Yes, I'm a giver, NDAI
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Who says you can't say ownage without a w? 8)
But no answer to my challenge...?
The Luke
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Funny, that's just what I think of your criticisms.
The Luke
good stuff
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But no answer to my challenge...?
The Luke
;) :D ;D
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;) :D ;D
ACYUHCYAOALKJNA
OAHOUJBHFLKNALKN!!!!!
ROFL!!!!!!!
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ROFL ;D
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That is fucking GREAT ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=326009.0;attach=367847;image)
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;) :D ;D
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Groink,
My formula predicts a 20'' arm requires 266 lbs of bodyweight.
202/152x150 = 266 lbs
What do YOU weigh and what do YOUR arms measure...?
I rest my case.
The Luke
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Groink,
My formula predicts a 20'' arm requires 266 lbs of bodyweight.
202/152x150 = 266 lbs
What do YOU weigh and what do YOUR arms measure...?
I rest my case.
The Luke
I had 20 cold at 247 pounds at 5'9.5
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I had 20 cold at 247 pounds at 5'9.5
Proof...?
Or was it a slack tape; a diagonal measurement; a two inch pump; a pinched tape... or some combination of these?
The Luke
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I had 20 cold at 247 pounds at 5'9.5
what bf?
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I had 20 cold at 247 pounds at 5'9.5
that's pretty much my identical stats right here on my 40th birthday
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If Hazbin has 20" arms at 5'9, i dont understand why you have a hard time believing arnolds were 22 at 6'2. arnold had great genetics for arms....long muscle bellies, long attachment points, etc.
btw, GREAT physique hazbin.
i agree. i know my arm were a weak point on my physique. there are a lot of arms waaayyyy bigger than mine were.
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i agree. i know my arm were a weak point on my physique. there are a lot of arms waaayyyy bigger than mine were.
Yet another example, straight from the horse's mouth.
BTW, it's ridiculous that THOSE arms of yours were a weak point, lol.
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Re: ARNIE'S Bicep size - Arthur Jones and the TRUTH ?
GUYZ JUST CHECK OUT THIS LINK..
i find luke's ''BASIC PREMISE '' of arthur jones measuring arnold schwarzenegger's arms , logically wrong, and faulty ....
http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php/topic,21395.msg280090.html#msg280090
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ARTHUR JONES AND HIS NAUTILUS BULLETIN 'S - 1 & 2.
does arthur jones contradict himself ?
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NAUTILUS BULLETIN #1 / By Arthur Jones / CHAPTER 35
THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MEASUREMENTS
here arthur jones , states ...
'' ...the largest muscular upper arm that I ever measured....was the left arm of Bill Pearl; which was 18-5/8 inches measured "cold" ..
The size of the average man’s head is between 22 and 23 inches, and I have yet to see a man with muscular arms that even began to approach the size of his head .
..a 16 inch muscular arm is very impressive -- a 17 inch upper arm is so large
an 18 inch upper must be seen to be appreciated -- and a 19 inch upper arm approaches the impossible insofar as size is concerned ..'' .
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FROM ...
NAUTILUS BULLETIN #2
Chapter 36 / THE ULTIMATE PHYSIQUE
'' The largest muscular arm that I ever measured -- or saw -- was Sergio Oliva’s, which, accurately measured, "cold" was 20 1/8 inches. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s arm was 19 7/8, slightly pumped -- probably 19 1/2 "cold"..
..an actually muscular arm that measures a full 18 inches is enormous -- a 19 inch arm is simply huge -- and a 20 inch arm almost defies belief;
Arnold Schwarzenegger’s arms are almost as large as Sergio’s, and he shows no signs of restricted movement around the elbow joint.
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does arthur jones contradict himself ?And what can arthur jones , mean by saying , arnie's arms are as large as sergio's arms ... does jones means in appearence or photos both arnie's and sergio's arms appear to be same in size ?
FURTHER JONES STATES , ''in a recent full-length picture of Sergio, the width of the flexed upper arms exceeded the height of Sergio’s head -- his arms were literally larger than his head, a size ratio never before approached by anybody else.
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thus, i suspect .., arthur jones what arthur jones .....meant, was that - sergio's arms looked even , bigger in photos since they (arms ) looked bigger than sergio's head ...
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more arnie sergio photos, wherin arnie's arms are definetily bigger than his head ....
moreever sergio has a small head when compared to arnie ...
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regarding charles poliquin ... statements stating , no way arnie can have 22 inch arms ....i feel , poliquin is wrong , in his arm size vs bodyweight ratio , assumptions ...
cause there's LEROY COLBERT to contend, face first ...
when leroy colbert can have 20 inch arms , drug free why can't arnie who , is not drug free ?
JUST SEE WHAT LEROY SAYS ... ABOUT ''EXPERTS ''....
LEROY COLBERT, THE FIRST MAN TO BUILD 21-INCH MUSCULAR ARMS SAYS BEWARE OF THE EXPERTS ....
Only by ignoring the experts, was I able to build the world’s largest muscular arms. I refused to be held back by baseless rules and psychological restrictions of the experts.
The so called experts in bodybuilding had a laundry list of rules you dare not break if you wanted a muscular body. One unbreakable rule was not to do over three sets for a body part three times a week or you will over train and lose muscles instead of building them. We took the the self-help expert‘s advice to heart, and studiously avoided doing more than three sets.
I heard that David Willoughby could scientifically tell your size potential by measuring key bones in your body. Dave got out the caliper and measuring tape, and in a very knowledgeable manner said, “Leroy, carefully measuring your bone size, the maximum biceps you could hope to develop is 18 1/2 inches. That is the largest size your bone structure could possibly handle
Well, I built my arms to 21 1/2 inches. The bone size theory didn’t hold up, it looked and sounded good, but in the end, just fanciful theory. Ironically, David was the expert that officially measured my biceps at 21 1/2 inches. “Absolutely astonishing, beyond all calculations,” David embarrassingly said. I felt sorry to see David’s so called science collapse before his own eyes.
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http://www.leroycolbert.com/flex_beware.asp
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do check out the link arnie's arm progression at
http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php/topic,17943.msg283361.html#msg283361
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This thread is hilarious...
If Arnold's arms were 22'' they wou have been taller than his head.
The fact that posters on this board can't even understand that bodyweight increases with the square of limb girth, is a damning indictment of the American public school system.
The Luke
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If Arnold's arms were 22'' they wou have been taller than his head.
LUKE FROM WHERE DID U GET THE IDEA TO CORELATE ARM SIZE TO HEAD SIZE , AND IS IT LOGICALLY CORRECT ? HEAD SIZE VARIES, SERGIO HAD SMALL HEAD SIZE WHEN COMPARED TO ARNIE , ARTHUR JONES MANIPULATED THIS FACT, AND SO DID CHARLES POLIQUIN .....JUST TO DISCREDIT ARNIE .....
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NAUTILUS BULLETIN #1 / By Arthur Jones / CHAPTER 35
THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MEASUREMENTS
here arthur jones , states ...
'' ...the largest muscular upper arm that I ever measured....was the left arm of Bill Pearl; which was 18-5/8 inches measured "cold" ..
The size of the average man?s head is between 22 and 23 inches, and I have yet to see a man with muscular arms that even began to approach the size of his head .
..a 16 inch muscular arm is very impressive -- a 17 inch upper arm is so large
an 18 inch upper must be seen to be appreciated -- and a 19 inch upper arm approaches the impossible insofar as size is concerned ..'' .
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NAUTILUS BULLETIN #2
Chapter 36 / THE ULTIMATE PHYSIQUE
'' The largest muscular arm that I ever measured -- or saw -- was Sergio Oliva?s, which, accurately measured, "cold" was 20 1/8 inches. Arnold Schwarzenegger?s arm was 19 7/8, slightly pumped -- probably 19 1/2 "cold"..
..an actually muscular arm that measures a full 18 inches is enormous -- a 19 inch arm is simply huge -- and a 20 inch arm almost defies belief;
Arnold Schwarzenegger?s arms are almost as large as Sergio?s, and he shows no signs of restricted movement around the elbow joint.
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does arthur jones contradict himself ?And what can arthur jones , mean by saying , arnie's arms are as large as sergio's arms ... does jones means in appearence or photos both arnie's and sergio's arms appear to be same in size ?
FURTHER JONES STATES , ''in a recent full-length picture of Sergio, the width of the flexed upper arms exceeded the height of Sergio?s head -- his arms were literally larger than his head, a size ratio never before approached by anybody else.
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thus, i suspect .., arthur jones what arthur jones .....meant, was that - sergio's arms looked even , bigger in photos since they (arms ) looked bigger than sergio's head ...
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http://muscleandbrawn.com/sergio-oliva-interview/
A Sergio Oliva interview: In Conversation with Sergio Oliva, By Brian D. Johnston
BDJ: I believe you may be the only person to officially develop a muscular arm with a height (from the top of the biceps to the bottom of the triceps) greater than the height of one’s head. Did this phenomenon occur while training with Jones?
SO: This occurred with Jones, around the time of the 1972 Mr. Olympia in Essen, Germany. You see, Jones tricked everybody. He would invite them down and pay for the trip to test his machines. Everyone went down… Columbu, Arnold, Zane… everybody. And as soon as you arrived he would start measuring your arms cold, then he would tell you how much you can increase in a couple of days, and nobody would believe it. All those Weider magazines claiming 21-22″ arms would have everyone coming down to 18-19″… and the only 20.5″ cold was my arm. After going through his workouts, my arm was almost an inch bigger, and that happened for everybody. Arnold’s arm was 19.75″, and Weider had him in the magazines with 22.5″. It was ridiculous — all their measurements came down when Jones measured them. It was during that time that Jones measured my arms and my head, and I couldn’t believe that my arms were bigger than my head… I didn’t pay attention up to that point.
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The Truth About Bodybuilding Arm Measurements
by Charles Poliquin
Anyhow, the Olympian who keeps bragging about his arms having been over 22 inches (in fact, I think that he may have won an Olympia, or maybe two, or seven) is, in fact, pissing mighty rivers down your leg and insisting that the mother of all rain storms is upon you.
At 6'1" tall, this Olympian would have had to weigh about 308 pounds for his arms to be even close to 22 inches around. However, his competition weight was roughly 235 pounds. Of course, maybe his bodyfat was minus 15%...
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SEE WHAT ATHUR JONES ACTUALLY MEANT AND WHAT SERGIO HIMSELF AND POLIQUIN SAY ??
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WHEN HE (CHARLES POLIQUIN )SAYS'' (ARNIE ) WOULD HAVE TO WEIGH 308 POUNDS FOR ARNIE'S ARMS TO BE CLOSE TO 22 INCHES ?''
IS CHARLES POLIQUIN REFERRING THIS CHART DEVELOPED BY David Willoughby. ,
http://www.mm2k.com/bodybuilding-chart.html
BUT THE CHART OBVIOUSLY IS BASED ON RESEARCH DONE BY WILLOUGHBY DURING THE PRE -STEROID ERA ! HOW CAN POLIQUIN ''USE '' A PRE STEROID RESEARCH CHART TO DISCREDIT AND DIS PROVE ARNIE'S 22 INCH ARM SIZE , WHEN ARNIE BELONGS TO ''POST - STERIOD ERA '' ?
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CHECK OUT SERGIO'S HEAD SIZE WHEN COMPARED TO ARNIE'S HEAD SIZE.....!!!
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ARNIE AND SERGIO'S HEAD SIZE AND ARM SIZE ;)
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MORE ARNIE ARMS BIGGER THAN HEAD ?
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ARNIE HAD 20 PLUS ARMS COLD DURING HIS UNIVERSE DAYS
DURING HIS PRE JOE WEIDER DAYS...
WAS HIS ARMS NOT BIGGER THAN MANY LADIES WAISTS ...?? ;) ;) ;) ;)
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ARNIE'S SCORE SHEET FROM MR UNIVERSE....
AND A RECENT ARNIE BICEP ...IS THAT ARM 18 INCHES NOW ..??? ;) ;D ;) ;D ;) ;)
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ARNIE'S ARMS COMPARED TO PRESENT MR.O ARM SIZE....
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ARNIE ARM IN SEMI-FLEXED STATE , IMAGINE THE PEAK WHEN ARNIE FULLY FLEXES HIS BICEPS ...
NOT 22 INCHES PLUS ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) .....?????
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THE RELAXED ARNIE BICEP....!!!!!
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THE AUSTRIAN OAK AND THE MYTH IN PANTS
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THE MIGHTY SCHWARZENEGGERIAN ARM
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Great pics !!
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What an Arnold suck up............
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My arms are nearly 19" at just under 250lbs first thing in morning.
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24" may be pushing it a bit, but Levrone had huge arms for sure. Some of the best tris/delts ever.
much closer to the camera
levrone had so short arms on a narrow body, so they looked big even if they were just 20inches
24 - in wet dreams