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he was pretty strong
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Funny. I've mentioned EPO on here before and got blazed for being so wrong..... :P
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Epo makes no sense though. Its really unbelievable that they are using this stuff. Your blood would be like thick gel.
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Epo makes no sense though. Its really unbelievable that they are using this stuff. Your blood would be like thick gel.
These morons today would drink gasoline if it made them bigger,stronger whatever.
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In Europe EPO is / was mainly used by professional cyclists and such (Now they use something else)
What's the use for a pro bodybuilder?
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In Europe EPO is / was mainly used by professional cyclists and such (Now they use something else)
What's the use for a pro bodybuilder?
Only advantage I can think of is that it would help in their training. More blood, or more red blood cells, = more oxygen to the muscles during training. But if you're a lazy trainer like Cedric McMillan so many guys nowadays, who cares about lifting a little more weight or squeezing out a few extra reps?
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I can't believe his track team was using it in HS! I didn't even know about steroids then. ???
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In Europe EPO is / was mainly used by professional cyclists and such (Now they use something else)
What's the use for a pro bodybuilder?
Increase RBC's= Increased pump, fuller muscles, more endurance for training.
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In Europe EPO is / was mainly used by professional cyclists and such (Now they use something else)
Soccer players,too. Any sport with an endurance component.
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One of the drawbacks of testosterone supplementation is increased RBC which thickens the blood.
The goal is usually to lower RBC lol! Are these guys fucking morons?!
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I once read that there was NO high level competitive sport which the participants do not use drugs of some type. Even competitive marksman take a drug to slow their heart beat so the can shoot between beats.
J
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I once read that there was NO high level competitive sport which the participants do not use drugs of some type. Even competitive marksman take a drug to slow their heart beat so the can shoot between beats.
J
Beta blockers. Violinists use them too.
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One of the drawbacks of testosterone supplementation is increased RBC which thickens the blood.
The goal is usually to lower RBC lol! Are these guys fucking morons?!
Yeah, if they're not careful they're going to start dropping dead of heart attacks in their twenties! Oh, wait.... :P
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I once read that there was NO high level competitive sport which the participants do not use drugs of some type. Even competitive marksman take a drug to slow their heart beat so the can shoot between beats.
J
Thank you.
The self-righteous pontificating of anti-doping agencies makes me sick....
And the 'surprise' from the general public when people like Marion Jones, or *insert pro-cyclist name here* are found to be using is hilarious
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Yeah, if they're not careful they're going to start dropping dead of heart attacks in their twenties! Oh, wait.... :P
I think it was the 80's or 90's when here in Holland several young professional cyclists suddenly died. Their hearts just stopped beating in their sleep.
This was before EPO became known to the general audience.
Lots of speculation in media back then, of which most also were unaware of EPO and what can happen when athletes are experimenting to find the right dose....
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Epo will make you way bigger with slin but eq works very similar so it wouldn't be really necessary
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Epo will make you way bigger with slin but eq works very similar so it wouldn't be really necessary
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Can you explain this.
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Just gives you more blood to potentate muscle growth but i eq would be a good brokes man epo
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One of the drawbacks of testosterone supplementation is increased RBC which thickens the blood.
The goal is usually to lower RBC lol! Are these guys fucking morons?!
Even on high dose anabolics (6g/wk) or even with just a couple 3cc pins a wk of my test cyp putting my test. Levels were 9500+ and my RBC have never been high.
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It would also in theory with more blood alow your system to intake more nutrition also igf1 would probably help a lot taking high dose gh or inclreax or igf1 i know how it works just am not the smartest to explain efs im sure could do a better job it works with slin ,aminos,igf increases
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Hmm? Improbable. A few issues-
-it's one of the most expensive drugs in the world... although prices have come down in recent years.
-if he's looking for an RBC count increase or increased blood volume, just blood boast using your own blood.
-had two friends who were senior reps for Amgen. Amgen makes Procrit... the most common version of EPO in this country. Even they could not get access to any real amount of product. Amgen product security is outrageous.
-there is no UGL manufactured EPO. NONE.
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Hmm? Improbable. A few issues-
-it's one of the most expensive drugs in the world... although prices have come down in recent years.
-if he's looking for an RBC count increase or increased blood volume, just blood boast using your own blood.
-had two friends who were senior reps for Amgen. Amgen makes Procrit... the most common version of EPO in this country. Even they could not get access to any real amount of product. Amgen product security is outrageous.
-there is no UGL manufactured EPO. NONE.
I like ya Tommy but this is not in line with my experiences (I work in healthcare)
Epogen is the brand that I've seen most often. Anemia is a common issue in patients with renal failure, and epogen is the most commonly prescribed Rx EPO for these patients. It's not terribly expensive, between $50-100 retail depending on the strength of the dose. I have no idea how much a bodybuilder would want to use.
It's hard to get bc its an uncommon medication that is administered by a nurse only (so little chance to resell it) but it's not a controlled medication like any narcotic. In other words, pharmacis don't count their stock of Epogen every shift like they do with oxycodone, etc. So it wouldn't be impossible for a few vials to go missing...
Easy to get? No. But if youre at the level where you can get lots of pharm grade GH, I'm sure a few vials of EPO wouldn't be hard to find
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Most have Hematocrits in the low to mid 40s. You are ok up to about 50-55. Headaches start after that. Get to 60 and you are on an aspirin program taking them through the night to prevent a heart attack.
As a guide on 125/wk gest i dont get any extra blood. I increase to 250/wk and i get around 5 points H boost. Natural im say 45 and then i bump to 50. I do this for cycling purposes so i have power and timing data doped and non-doped. Im anaerobic so it's pretty easy for me to go unnoticed among other riders who know me. Even when i do something on purpose to be a smart ass they still dont click.
With EPO you keep increasing the dose and it keeps boosting blood. Fucking expensive to run and widely tested so its easier to simply use test.
Take boatloads of gear and be huge and you are probably at an H count of 55+. Add EPO on top and the heart risk becomes real. It'll be the epo that fucks you up.
That video was the first clip with Bostin i didnt like. They sounded like utter junkies. EPO isnt a pre workout, its designed to be used with a proper blood program around timing for an athletic event.
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I like ya Tommy but this is not in line with my experiences (I work in healthcare)
Epogen is the brand that I've seen most often. Anemia is a common issue in patients with renal failure, and epogen is the most commonly prescribed Rx EPO for these patients. It's not terribly expensive, between $50-100 retail depending on the strength of the dose. I have no idea how much a bodybuilder would want to use.
It's hard to get bc its an uncommon medication that is administered by a nurse only (so little chance to resell it) but it's not a controlled medication like any narcotic. In other words, pharmacis don't count their stock of Epogen every shift like they do with oxycodone, etc. So it wouldn't be impossible for a few vials to go missing...
Easy to get? No. But if youre at the level where you can get lots of pharm grade GH, I'm sure a few vials of EPO wouldn't be hard to find
Cool. Good to know. Appreciate the update and info. I'm getting behind the curve in my old age.
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Dallas:
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go to around the 16 min mark, claim Dallas used 80cc of oil in his glutes to bring them up.
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I'm pretty sure it's been available from China for many many years, they make underground gh so why not epo. It's possible that it has some effects apart from the obvious, such as antioxidant effects. A bodybuilder doesn't need or want an increase in crit but perhaps it helps in other ways, who knows.
From glancing at forum threads on it it requires a pretty dedicated admin protocol to achieve effects. It's not like one injection suddenly makes your blood into mud.
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- levrone asked for boston's advice? then went on to claim he only uses 50mg's etc/Wk?
all i can think of is a failed publicity stunt from levrone on this one...
- EPO will enhance endurance/recuperation (2 months later) while already on an AAS cycle?
apparently there seems to be consensus in practice among many bbers that this might be real
all the ifbb top dogs were /are doing it, even though it sounds and reads illogical, must be something to it...
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Found my 'argument' with a bro-scientist... ::)
Shawn already posted about it, on his book of faces. Sorry to steal your thunder. :-\
This first picture here was a couple weeks ago when I was five weeks out from the Arnold Classic 2018. I was feeling great! Unfortunately, I came home to Santa Barbara to visit my family and I started throwing up for two days. Since I don’t normally complain my coach, Chris Aceto, recommended that I go to the hospital thinking that I may be overly dehydrated. I ended up being rushed by ambulance from one hospital to another that had better facilities to care for me. I was admitted to the Intensive Care Unit. Not only did I have the horrible flu going around but my hemoglobin level was at 4 (should be around 14). I lost A LOT of blood due to two ulcers bleeding into my intestine over a period of time. I was given 6 blood transfusions that brought my body back to levels where my body could reproduce enough blood on its own to normal levels. Since it is so close to the Arnold, I am disappointed that I must announce that I will not be competing in this years Arnold Classic 2018.
I am thankful that I am feeling better!! And I am thankful for all of the support from my family, friends and IFBB Pro League. I am back to training hard and pushing myself to bring my BEST to the Olympia 2018!
I will still be at the Arnold Classic 2018 to cheer on my fellow athletes and to chat with all the fans! I am looking forward to visiting with fans when I’m not on “diet brain!”
Thank you for your thoughts and prayers.
So many questions...
Why would Aceto think that vomiting was being caused by dehydration? Rather than a virus or something? Diuretic practice?
6 transfusions would be how many pints? 18 maybe? If you lose that much blood, even over time, wouldn't it make your feces noticeably very dark? Wouldn't you be feeling faint/passing out?
Why was his body not able to produce blood 'on its own'?
Maybe he was experimenting with EPO?
Calling our resident drug experts please.....
Really? Are you even remotely serious? EPO doesn’t cause low red blood cell counts! Why do you even remotely think pros take EPO, when there is absolutely no competitive benefit. Anyone taking it for bodybuilding is a complete fool.
The bigger issue here is does Shawn have a larger underlying issue? I hope to god this was brought on by excessive stress, the ulcers, and due to his diet. However, such situations can indicate some major problems.... like, kidney disease, blood cancers (lukemia), liver issues, etc. chronic anemia as well. I hope to god the hospital verified that his hemoglobin levels stayed stable for some time post transfusion. If they begin to lower again, then he may have a serious problem.
Having .the ulcers and internal bleeding may contribute, however, one has to ask Shawn... “man, don’t you pay attention to the color of your urine and poo?” Urine would have surely been a dark brown and poo may have been black.
Tovarisch,
There's been a couple videos about EPO and bodybuilding - last one I recall was put up by that Dr Huge guy, but his channel was pulled (I think). His buddy 'Coach Trevor' was talking about it. I'll scan my history to see if I can post one up.
I have absolutely no opinion on its benefits - not even broscience - but I wondered if you really abuse the stuff and then stop suddenly, could it supress your own production? And so cause that drop in hemoglobin?
And yes, was he wiping his ass with bright red tissue or what?!?!
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I thought he died of chicken overdose. Was it actually epo?
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Dallas:
fuark. no way :-X
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bodybuilding an extreme sport
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Dallas:
Someone posted a thread with this pic on MD and it was deleted by the mods. Lol.
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I gotta thank you GetBiggers for this rare but very intelligent discussion.
;D I look foreward to learning about new "stuff" every day but seldom get the opportunity to do so lately on this GetBig Board.
So a simple 'Thanks!' seems appropriate.
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Calling out Tovarishch_Smert.... care to comment...?
Really? Are you even remotely serious? EPO doesn’t cause low red blood cell counts! Why do you even remotely think pros take EPO, when there is absolutely no competitive benefit. Anyone taking it for bodybuilding is a complete fool.
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Someone posted a thread with this pic on MD and it was deleted by the mods. Lol.
Real or shopped what's you're take on this?
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Bodybuilding is not a sport.
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Dallas is a legend
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Real or shopped what's you're take on this?
It looks slightly suspect. It certainly doesn't take much effort to make it a little less pronounced...
(https://s19.postimg.org/jsnixe6ib/dequalsmcsquared.jpg)