Trump = Winning

[Dos Equis]

You serious reservations don't count for much. It's the courts that decide if something is amiss in either of those states. Biden is ahead in PA by more than 50,000 votes with 99% reporting and it's been called. Biden is ahead in Nevada by 36,870 votes with 95% reporting and it has been called.

Called by the media.  The media doesn't play any role in who wins any state. 

[Moontrane]

I don't.  I think he has too much ground to make up and we really don't hold high level bad actors accountable.

I concur, but man alive, we need to drill down on these myriad allegations.

[Dos Equis]

I concur, but man alive, we need to drill down on these myriad allegations.

Yeah.  I'm having a hard time keeping up with all of them.  I need to see evidence. 

I just posted an article in the Trump v. Biden thread about how to detect voter fraud.  I also cited some Wisconsin stats that appear to show voter fraud, but we still need evidence. 

[loco]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/17/chris-krebs-trump-fired-cybersecurity-voter-fraud-claims

The firing of Krebs, a Trump appointee, comes as Trump is refusing to recognize the victory of the president-elect, Joe Biden, and removing high-level officials seen as insufficiently loyal. He fired Mark Esper, the defense secretary, on 9 November part of a broader shake-up that put Trump loyalists in senior Pentagon positions.

Krebs had indicated he expected to be fired. Last week, his agency released a statement refuting claims of widespread voter fraud. “The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history,” the statement read. “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

Well, if Krebs said it then it must be true.

Fauci Says "There's No Reason To Be Walking Around With A Mask"

There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people ‘feel a little better’ and it might even block a droplet but it’s not providing the perfect protection the people think that it is. And often, there are unintended consequences. People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

Last month, Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted for the first time that “public health officials misled the public about the effectiveness of masks”

https://techstartups.com/2020/07/01/dr-fauci-march-theres-no-reason-walking-around-mask-changed-video/

[loco]

Wasn't this guy a Trump nomination?
Mr Trump seems to be better at firing than hiring.

Never mind as any casino operator will tell us  - the house always wins

So is Fauci.

[loco]

it takes more skill to hire than fire

Indeed, especially if you don't know which candidates are part of the establishment. 

[B_B_C]

Indeed, especially if you don't know which candidates are part of the establishment.

when one is excusing one is losing

[loco]

when one is excusing one is losing

Indeed:

Yes, because it has nothing to do with black men realizing that the rich, old, white male Democrat party has done nothing for them, and cares nothing about them except when there's an upcoming election. 

Obama says 'the bling, the women, the money' in rap music could explain Trump's increased appeal to some rappers and Black male voters



https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-says-bling-women-money-163515533.html


It has nothing to do with this

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Let’s look at the Trump record:

Under Donald Trump the economy, pre-COVID, boomed, like no time since the 1950s. Look at your 401(k) over the past three years.

Unemployment for Black Americans is lower than it has ever been, under any president of either party.

Under Mr. Trump, our trade relationships have vastly improved and our trade deals have been rewritten. Thanks to him, middle America is on the map again and the Appalachian and hourly worker has some hope.

This newspaper has not supported a Republican for president since 1972. But we believe Mr. Trump, for all his faults, is the better choice this year. We respect and understand those who feel otherwise.

https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2020/10/31/editorial-donald-trump-joe-biden-mike-pence-kamala-harris-presidential-candidate-endorsement/stories/202010310021

[loco]

Trump’s feat

After winning in 2016 in what many viewed as a fluke, Mr. Trump mounted a registration and turnout drive in the counties of his white, blue-collar base that appears to have succeeded.

“The Trump campaign worked on this for years, and pretty much kept it under wraps,” said Larry J. Sabato, professor of politics at the University of Virginia. “They told us they were doing it, but we really didn’t know the extent of it.”

Trump votes swelled in the Appalachians and the Piedmont South, in many of the same counties that dissented from the country’s embrace of the first Black American president — Barack Obama — in 2008. He found even more votes in the rural centers of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and the farmlands of the Midwest.

And in a feat likely to touch off years of Democratic hand-wringing, Mr. Trump won a healthy share of additional Hispanic voters and may have benefited a little from reduced enthusiasm for Mr. Biden in some Democratic counties with large Black populations.



How did Biden win, then?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/16/us/politics/election-turnout.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

[Primemuscle]

Well, if Krebs said it then it must be true.

Fauci Says "There's No Reason To Be Walking Around With A Mask"

There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people ‘feel a little better’ and it might even block a droplet but it’s not providing the perfect protection the people think that it is. And often, there are unintended consequences. People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

Last month, Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted for the first time that “public health officials misled the public about the effectiveness of masks”

https://techstartups.com/2020/07/01/dr-fauci-march-theres-no-reason-walking-around-mask-changed-video/

And what's he saying now? This was in March, before the pandemic was completely out of control, specially in the US.

[Primemuscle]

Trump’s feat

After winning in 2016 in what many viewed as a fluke, Mr. Trump mounted a registration and turnout drive in the counties of his white, blue-collar base that appears to have succeeded.

“The Trump campaign worked on this for years, and pretty much kept it under wraps,” said Larry J. Sabato, professor of politics at the University of Virginia. “They told us they were doing it, but we really didn’t know the extent of it.”

Trump votes swelled in the Appalachians and the Piedmont South, in many of the same counties that dissented from the country’s embrace of the first Black American president — Barack Obama — in 2008. He found even more votes in the rural centers of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and the farmlands of the Midwest.

And in a feat likely to touch off years of Democratic hand-wringing, Mr. Trump won a healthy share of additional Hispanic voters and may have benefited a little from reduced enthusiasm for Mr. Biden in some Democratic counties with large Black populations.



How did Biden win, then?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/16/us/politics/election-turnout.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Maybe because Biden got over 6 million more votes than Trump did. Maybe because he won 58 more electoral votes not counting Georgia which will bring it to 74 more than Trump did.

[loco]

And what's he saying now?

Fauci is saying now that "public health officials misled the public"

This was in March, before the pandemic was completely out of control, specially in the US.

What does that have to do with Fauci, obviously and by his own admission, lying to the public?

Why should anyone believe anything he says now?

[loco]

Maybe because Biden got over 6 million more votes than Trump did. Maybe because he won 58 more electoral votes not counting Georgia which will bring it to 74 more than Trump did.

Maybe not.

[Primemuscle]

Maybe not.

Maybe, but in the absence of any proof.....Trump should give it up. Even his own party is saying this.

[Humble Narcissist]

Maybe, but in the absence of any proof.....Trump should give it up. Even his own party is saying this.

Did you not watch the press conference with Sidney Powell? 

[loco]

Culture wars fuel Trump’s blue-collar Latino gains

Despite four years of being defined as a racist for his rhetoric and harsh immigration policies, Trump improved his margins in 78 of the nation’s 100 majority-Hispanic counties. And he did better with Latinos in exit polls of each of the top 10 battleground states, a POLITICO review of election data found.

Joe Biden still won Latino voters overall. But as post-election data trickles in, Democrats are growing concerned. Trump’s notable gains weren’t limited to Miami's Cuban Americans or border-region Tejanos. Although Florida and Texas stood out for the notable shift, Puerto Ricans as far away as Philadelphia and Mexican Americans in Milwaukee drifted Trump-ward.

“Most Latinos identify first as working-class Americans, and Trump spoke to that,” said Josh Zaragoza, a top Democratic data specialist in Arizona, adding that Hispanic men in particular “are very entrepreneurial. Their economic language is more aligned with the way Republicans speak: pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, owning your own business.”

And then there’s the way the left spoke — or were framed by Trump’s campaign for speaking. Calls to “defund the police,” a boycott of Goya Foods and the threat of socialism turned off some Latino voters. And even using the term Latinx to describe Latinos in a way that’s gender-neutral only served to puzzle many Hispanics.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/culture-wars-fuel-trump-blue-120032820.html

[Primemuscle]

“Most Latinos identify first as working-class Americans, and Trump spoke to that,” said Josh Zaragoza, a top Democratic data specialist in Arizona. I completely agree with Mr. Zaragoza.

[loco]

Media said Trump's COVID-19 vaccine prediction would take 'miracle.' They were wrong.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/hhh

[Soul Crusher]

“Most Latinos identify first as working-class Americans, and Trump spoke to that,” said Josh Zaragoza, a top Democratic data specialist in Arizona. I completely agree with Mr. Zaragoza.

Most liberals identify as LGBTQABC123XYZ 

[Primemuscle]

Most liberals identify as LGBTQABC123XYZ

If that's true (which it isn't) I must have a lot of conservative friends.

A 2017 Gallup poll concluded that 4.5% (about 15 mil) of adult Americans identified as LGBT. This suggests that either millions of people came out as LGBTQ since 2017 or you theory is mistaken.

There are approximately 328 mil people in the U.S. It's impossible to say what percentage of this number are conservative verse liberal. Of the  80 mil who voted for Biden most are probably are liberal. If every LGBTQ person is a liberal (which isn't the case because some are conservative), only a small percentage of those liberal voters are LGBTQ.

[OzmO]

Still waiting for the Trump = Losing thread.

After all his winning, which, I must admit was surprising, I would think the new thread would have at least one post.

[loco]

Still waiting for the Trump = Losing thread.

After all his winning, which, I must admit was surprising, I would think the new thread would have at least one post.

At least you are honest and impartial about it, unlike the media and many here.

[OzmO]

At least you are honest and impartial about it, unlike the media and many here.

For sure, even though I didn't agree some of things he did, he did seem to shake up Washington.   He wasn't playing around, and if you didn't do what he said he got rid of you, which is how it should be.  He just lost me after COVID and the protests.  I felt like he failed in his leadership there.  Had he handled that differently, he would still be president.

[Grape Ape]

For sure, even though I didn't agree some of things he did, he did seem to shake up Washington.   He wasn't playing around, and if you didn't do what he said he got rid of you, which is how it should be.  He just lost me after COVID and the protests.  I felt like he failed in his leadership there.  Had he handled that differently, he would still be president.

He could have done almost everything the same, but if he messaged it better and took a bi-partisan approach (even if superficial) he'd be re-elected.

His rhetoric and demeanor are tolerable when things are good, but when things are bad for folks, they're going to shut it down.

[Humble Narcissist]

For sure, even though I didn't agree some of things he did, he did seem to shake up Washington.   He wasn't playing around, and if you didn't do what he said he got rid of you, which is how it should be.  He just lost me after COVID and the protests.  I felt like he failed in his leadership there.  Had he handled that differently, he would still be president.

Not true at all.  If Trump got 80 million votes and Biden got 20 million, Biden still would have won.  The fix was in on this one.