North Korea preparing for a second nuclear test

[Camel Jockey]

North Korea will now defy the west not once, but twice. They also claimed that the UN sanctions were a "declaration of war", which is a pretty much a threat.

What does everyone think? North Korea is pretty fucking bold, they make threats and are about to test a second bomb. 

[240 is Back]

anyone see the video of the first one? Pretty cool ground effects.

We should be stationing nuke subs on standby out there.  They have followed thru on every threat they've made so far.  Hell, we keep DOWNPLAYING what they're doing.  First the US said "we're not sure it was a nuke at all" when every other country said it was one.  Then, once monster radiation is detected, we say "It was a bomb, but we think part of it malfunctioned".

?  it's like we are drooling to invade iran, hamming up every word adhimidijad says as "signs of a nuclear bomb".  Then, when NK actually blows one up, we pretend it's less than it is.

Why the pussyfooting? Let's cook em!

[liberty]

Few scenarios about NK
http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-vpuno144932423oct15,0,6127001.story?coll=ny-editorials-headlines

THE WORLD'S TEN LARGEST ARMIES

1. China - 1,700,000
2. India - 1,200,000
3. North Korea - 900,000
4. South Korea - 560,000
5. Pakistan - 520,000
6. United States - 475,000
7. Iraq - 360,000 - Pre-2003, of course.
8. Myanmar - 325,000
9. Russia - 320,000
10. Iran - 320,000

[Diesel1]

North Korea will now defy the west not once, but twice. They also claimed that the UN sanctions were a "declaration of war", which is a pretty much a threat.

What does everyone think? North Korea is pretty fucking bold, they make threats and are about to test a second bomb. 

I was watching this on the news the other day and it was showing shots of the North Koreans going about their daily business. I couldn't help but notice how miserable those poor fuckers looked. I bet they'd welcome a nuclear attack just to end their poor lot.

Back to your point. Let them build a bomb, so what!

[Camel Jockey]

I was watching this on the news the other day and it was showing shots of the North Koreans going about their daily business. I couldn't help but notice how miserable those poor fuckers looked. I bet they'd welcome a nuclear attack just to end their poor lot.

Back to your point. Let them build a bomb, so what!

Starving while their leader downs Hennessy! Brandy is fucking nasty 

They've already built a bomb, I don't really care that much about them having a bomb. Just funny to see Europe and the States going bonkers over Iran using nuclear energy, while North Korea makes threats and actually has bombs, yet all the west can do is stand down like a bunch of limp-dicked pussies and threaten more sanctions.

[240 is Back]

Just funny to see Europe and the States going bonkers over Iran using nuclear energy, while North Korea makes threats and actually has bombs, yet all the west can do is stand down like a bunch of limp-dicked pussies and threaten more sanctions.

LOL... plus all the people who are normally war-hungry are all quiet. I totally don't understand.

[Diesel1]

Starving while their leader downs Hennessy! Brandy is fucking nasty 

They've already built a bomb, I don't really care that much about them having a bomb. Just funny to see Europe and the States going bonkers over Iran using nuclear energy, while North Korea makes threats and actually has bombs, yet all the west can do is stand down like a bunch of limp-dicked pussies and threaten more sanctions.

It's a little thing called China.

Talking of China they've been busy shooting Tibetans, the dog eating sluts

[JOHN MATRIX]

We should be stationing nuke subs on standby out there.  They have followed thru on every threat they've made so far.  Hell, we keep DOWNPLAYING what they're doing.  First the US said "we're not sure it was a nuke at all" when every other country said it was one.  Then, once monster radiation is detected, we say "It was a bomb, but we think part of it malfunctioned".

?  it's like we are drooling to invade iran, hamming up every word adhimidijad says as "signs of a nuclear bomb".  Then, when NK actually blows one up, we pretend it's less than it is.

that is  a bit strange, isnt it?

[Dos Equis]

Few scenarios about NK
http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-vpuno144932423oct15,0,6127001.story?coll=ny-editorials-headlines

THE WORLD'S TEN LARGEST ARMIES

1. China - 1,700,000
2. India - 1,200,000
3. North Korea - 900,000
4. South Korea - 560,000
5. Pakistan - 520,000
6. United States - 475,000
7. Iraq - 360,000 - Pre-2003, of course.
8. Myanmar - 325,000
9. Russia - 320,000
10. Iran - 320,000

I don't think that number includes the active reserves, national guard, marines, navy, and air force.

[JOHN MATRIX]

Few scenarios about NK
http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-vpuno144932423oct15,0,6127001.story?coll=ny-editorials-headlines

THE WORLD'S TEN LARGEST ARMIES

1. China - 1,700,000
2. India - 1,200,000
3. North Korea - 900,000
4. South Korea - 560,000
5. Pakistan - 520,000
6. United States - 475,000
7. Iraq - 360,000 - Pre-2003, of course.
8. Myanmar - 325,000
9. Russia - 320,000
10. Iran - 320,000

those figures are completely meaningless.

all that shows is what those nations decided to maintain as a peacetime military. in the case of a serious war, especially one in which the survival of the state was at risk, china could potentially mobilize over 300 million men, india nearly as many. the US, if faced with a grave threat and had a draft begun, could potentially put over 40 million men in the field.

for example that chart says russia's army is 320,000. when the germans invaded over 20 million russians were put in uniform.

north korea's manpower numbers would be completely insignificant relative to the manpower other nations could muster.

[240 is Back]

See, I would probably support tough military action against NKorea. 

I don't wanna put men on the ground, as they'd love to cook the 50k men we have in SKorea already.  And the flow of refugees is gonna be awful - SKorea is talking abiout putting up a wall!

But I would be fine with the US being part of a UN coalition to straighten them out, thru selective hits or even kicking out kim jung il for the nukes.

I would NOT be fine with bombing a country with far less nuke capability and far more oil to manage afterwards.

[Dos Equis]

those figures are completely meaningless.

all that shows is what those nations decided to maintain as a peacetime military. in the case of a serious war, especially one in which the survival of the state was at risk, china could potentially mobilize over 300 million men, india nearly as many. the US, if faced with a grave threat and had a draft begun, could potentially put over 40 million men in the field.

for example that chart says russia's army is 320,000. when the germans invaded over 20 million russians were put in uniform.

north korea's manpower numbers would be completely insignificant relative to the manpower other nations could muster.

They're also meaningless from the standpoint that wars are primarily won through the air.  We could wipe out a significant portion of a country's ground forces without ever sending in our own troops.  That's basically what happen in Desert Storm. 

[Hedgehog]

anyone see the video of the first one? Pretty cool ground effects.

We should be stationing nuke subs on standby out there.  They have followed thru on every threat they've made so far.  Hell, we keep DOWNPLAYING what they're doing.  First the US said "we're not sure it was a nuke at all" when every other country said it was one.  Then, once monster radiation is detected, we say "It was a bomb, but we think part of it malfunctioned".

?  it's like we are drooling to invade iran, hamming up every word adhimidijad says as "signs of a nuclear bomb".  Then, when NK actually blows one up, we pretend it's less than it is.

Why the pussyfooting? Let's cook em!

What would nuclear submarines be able to accomplish in your opinion?

YIP
Zack

[JOHN MATRIX]

They're also meaningless from the standpoint that wars are primarily won through the air.  We could wipe out a significant portion of a country's ground forces without ever sending in our own troops.  That's basically what happen in Desert Storm. 

thats not entirely true though....air superiority will ensure a tactical victory, but you cant have a complete victory, total domination of a nation, without troops on the ground.

the israelis had 100% air superiority in lebanon, and look what happened. they realised that without a sufficient ground force(which they opted not to use and basically just pulled out instead due to political pressure when they should have just done the job right once and for all) to mop up all resistance, then your enemies will continue to be active and the fighting will continue.
same with iraq and afghanistan- we have total air dominance, yet have we in any way achieved a 'victory'? did the constant aerial bombing of england produce a nazi victory?

air superiority is very important but it will only take you so far. it is only with masses of troops on the ground that total victory can be achieved.

[Dos Equis]

thats not entirely true though....air superiority will ensure a tactical victory, but you cant have a complete victory, total domination of a nation, without troops on the ground.

the israelis had 100% air superiority in lebanon, and look what happened. they realised that without a sufficient ground force(which they opted not to use and basically just pulled out instead due to political pressure when they should have just done the job right once and for all) to mop up all resistance, then your enemies will continue to be active and the fighting will continue.
same with iraq and afghanistan- we have total air dominance, yet have we in any way achieved a 'victory'? did the constant aerial bombing of england produce a nazi victory?

air superiority is very important but it will only take you so far. it is only with masses of troops on the ground that total victory can be achieved.

That's why I said they're "primarily" won through the air.  If the goal is occupation you need boots on the ground.  If it's guerilla warfare like what we have in Iraq, you need ground forces.  If it's stopping an invasion, it's primarily through the air.  In any event, air superiority will dictate the outcome in most major conflicts.  That's one of the things that makes our military so strong.  That and we're smarter than everyone else.   

[liberty]

Lets just hope they don't use nukes or we'll have too......well....you know...

[Victor VonDoom]

LOL... plus all the people who are normally war-hungry are all quiet. I totally don't understand.

Fool!  Behold your folly!

Doom disapproves.

[Tesla]

The really messed up part about the North Korea situation is that we, the American taxpayers, are feeding North Koreans.  Unreal. 

[Camel Jockey]

What if North Korea threatens the Japanese? What are we to do then? If the US lets them touch Japan then no more cool electronics and anime. 

[Diesel1]

What if North Korea threatens the Japanese? What are we to do then? If the US lets them touch Japan then no more cool electronics and anime. 

The Japs have everything they need to make a bomb. If they really wanted to they could knock one together in two or three weeks

[Camel Jockey]

The Japs have everything they need to make a bomb. If they really wanted to they could knock one together in two or three weeks

Yeah, but they're pacifist.