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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: theworm on March 24, 2016, 06:07:49 AM
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Yates said in a MD interview he did 3 8-week cycles in the offseason
He would use test deca X 8 weeks, 4 weeks off and repeat X 3 cycles
What's the benefit of that? It's not enough time to recover.. Maybe he was clearing his receptors or some bro science?
Either way, seemed to work for him
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Worked for him because of all the other factors, trainning, nutrition and genetics.
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You really think that's an honest Interview ::)
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Wtf bro have u ever seen anybody or been around whos big and looks 3d like a 5ft 9 240lbs shredded? dudes blast up to 3 gs a week or more in real life.
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You really think that's an honest Interview ::)
I don't believe him, but why pull those cycle lengths out of his ass? I heard him in a number of interviews with these weird cycles, like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off for a long time... I don't understand it
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I don't believe him, but why pull those cycle lengths out of his ass? I heard him in a number of interviews with these weird cycles, like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off for a long time... I don't understand it
he can't lie & say he was totally natural, but he can say he used & give out a lower dose cycle to make people think it only played a small part in his success & it was 99% blood & guts training & good nutrition. This way he can have some cred & flog his supplement line.
Dorian used grams & grams of gear per week along with a ton of GH & insulin.
You can't achieve that kind of physique on the BS cycles he claimed he was using, regardless of superior genetics or not.
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He's lying out his ass, they all do.. Yates was the first to push the envelope with GH. He never came off, despite what any article says. There was a reason he was so much thicker, and more dense than most others at that time.....It wasn't from Blood and Guts training either. Massive doses of GH was the culprit.
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He's lying out his ass, they all do.. Yates was the first to push the envelope with GH. He never came off, despite what any article says. There was a reason he was so much thicker, and more dense than most others at that time.....It wasn't from Blood and Guts training either. Massive doses of GH was the culprit.
Right I agree with this he must of been using crazy high doses of that stuff. He would do whatever it takes.
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"just one shot of deca a week and a few winny tabs" :D
ALL liars
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I've trained with guys and talked to several with legs like u see in the magazines and at pro shows these fuckers have over 30+ inch shredded quads glutes monsters all bench over 500 easy and they run 3 gs week or more plus orals. Fact don't believe ithat then keep searching for the goddamn secret and let me know what it is
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I've trained with guys and talked to several with legs like u see in the magazines and at pro shows these fuckers have over 30+ inch shredded quads glutes monsters all bench over 500 easy and they run 3 gs week or more plus orals. Fact don't believe ithat then keep searching for the goddamn secret and let me know what it is
Lol! Great post!
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The main reasons for the increased size of the guys we've seen since Dorian are GH and insulin. It started with him. He pushed the dosages of GH up to 40 iu per day. This is a fact, and yes I do know from someone that knows this for sure. Today it is standard, much more insulin is used though, which contributes to the lack of detail compared to the Yates era. GH is where it's at. Gives a volumized, very dense look to the body. The most important drug in bodybuilding. If there is one drug to go nuts with...... GH is that drug.
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If test cyp ( example) is used and deca at decent dosages for 8 weeks the accumulated buildup based on esters tells you that even when he's " off" he has a good amount of nandrolone and test in his system.. Even at the 4 week Mark .. So technically he was never off with that short a off time of 4 weeks..
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Does it matter.
Who cares.
Would it make us into MR O Winners.
He did what he did,
And worked out / Found what was needed for him.
Just like all the other Pro's do.
All this constant clap trap about what or how much so & so takes.
Clearly they are not going to be specific.
Do what they did and experiment / up the dosage.
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The main reasons for the increased size of the guys we've seen since Dorian are GH and insulin. It started with him. He pushed the dosages of GH up to 40 iu per day. This is a fact, and yes I do know from someone that knows this for sure. Today it is standard, much more insulin is used though, which contributes to the lack of detail compared to the Yates era. GH is where it's at. Gives a volumized, very dense look to the body. The most important drug in bodybuilding. If there is one drug to go nuts with...... GH is that drug.
God 40ius how much would that make your heart grow. Seems like you could die pretty quickly or be a permanent diabetic.
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God 40ius how much would that make your heart grow. Seems like you could die pretty quickly or be a permanent diabetic.
Of course that much GH isn't healthy, as far as organ growth, it's individual.. I think it's overstated, but using that much I would think would cause some ill effects. It will wreak havoc on blood sugar at that dose though. This is standard amongst pros and top national level competitors today though. GH is where it's at though... Serono and Lilly should be the sponsors at the bodybuilding shows.
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15 always said that the biggest that you can get on gear alone, no slin or gh, is 220 @ 4% @ 5'10"
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You really think that's an honest Interview ::)
It's real honest... He only used pharma gear. Anyone could grow like a worm on 250mg of pharm test. Just imagine taking half a pharma var tab on top of that a week. Hahaha "the worm"
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This one time I used pharma creatine..
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Just that deca comment alone. Whats even the point of running 8 wks of that. ::) ::)
Dorian was the first one to have that knew era look, fallowed by nasser/fux/ruhl only Yates seamed to keep the stomach thing under lock and key
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It's real honest... He only used pharma gear. Anyone could grow like a worm on 250mg of pharm test. Just imagine taking half a pharma var tab on top of that a week. Hahaha "the worm"
Man, are you really that stupid? That's not what the thread is about dumbass! Haha @ douchbag saying UG labs are safer and better than US pharmacy products,,, oh boy. You must be trolling.
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It's real honest... He only used pharma gear. Anyone could grow like a worm on 250mg of pharm test. Just imagine taking half a pharma var tab on top of that a week. Hahaha "the worm"
Just think a little, why were pros so much better in the 70s? It cause of pharm grade gear... Now you got guys running 3-4 grams of gear and not breaking the 200 pound mark. Doesn't take a genius to figure what's going on here, but Australians are not the brightest bunch.
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Just think a little, why were pros so much better in the 70s? It cause of pharm grade gear... Now you got guys running 3-4 grams of gear and not breaking the 200 pound mark. Doesn't take a genius to figure what's going on here, but Australians are not the brightest bunch.
this comment is so stupid its not even worth replying, but i still do...
arnold was what, 230 at a lanky 6'2 ? and won the MISTER OLYMPIA. best bodybuilder in the world .
at 230 lbs.
juiced for like 10 years. 230 lbs. and EVERYONE knows he literally "sprinkled dbol in his morning cereal".
70s BBs were juiced outta their minds... they didnt even know about the health consequences.
franco columbu at 7 inches less wasnt even 200 lbs just fyi
SO I GUESS ITS SAFE TO SAY FRANCO RAN UGL AND ARNOLD RAN PHARMA TEST HUH ;D ;D
THE ONLY PHARM SHIT THATS WORTH A DAMN IS GH. PERIOD.
get this into your head, jesus.
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this comment is so stupid its not even worth replying, but i still do...
arnold was what, 230 at a lanky 6'2 ? and won the MISTER OLYMPIA. best bodybuilder in the world .
at 230 lbs.
juiced for like 10 years. 230 lbs. and EVERYONE knows he literally "sprinkled dbol in his morning cereal".
70s BBs were juiced outta their minds... they didnt even know about the health consequences.
franco columbu at 7 inches less wasnt even 200 lbs just fyi
SO I GUESS ITS SAFE TO SAY FRANCO RAN UGL AND ARNOLD RAN PHARMA TEST HUH ;D ;D
THE ONLY PHARM SHIT THATS WORTH A DAMN IS GH. PERIOD.
get this into your head, jesus.
Keep telling yourself that... Then wake up and wonder why ur still 188 pounds on over 3 grams of gear
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I'm not being a dick here, you guys never ran legit go-to-pharmacy-and-pick up legit pharmaceuticals such as oxandrolone and nandrolone so how the hell do you have a basis for ur arguments?
*** I'm not talking about test
I ran both and personal see a HUGE difference
Y'all never ran both so how can you even argue?
People blasted lilhawk cause he makes gains off of 25 mg oxandrolone, and he prob makes more gains than UG "var" run at 100 mg
All those lab test sites can't be trusted either
You guys are delusional
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Just think a little, why were pros so much better in the 70s? It cause of pharm grade gear... Now you got guys running 3-4 grams of gear and not breaking the 200 pound mark. Doesn't take a genius to figure what's going on here, but Australians are not the brightest bunch.
Personally I dont believe you can base that off of weight. Im 6 foot 1 and im 253 pounds as of yesterday and im a ugl user and im pretty dam trim, not pealed though, and this is presently 1700mg of gear and 4ius of growth. Everyone has diff goals and looks they want to achieve on pharm gear or ugl.
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I have to say I'm with worm.. I once ran 750mg of pharma test and the results were awesome and later on I did 900mg og ug test and results sucked next to the pharm
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My favorite is when someone posts bloodwork running Test 400 and it comes back at a level that 100 mg should. Most UG is garbage.
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Like I said, all these people praising UG gear
have never ran us pharmacy sold test, nandrolone and oxandrolone so they are talking out of their ass!
I have run plenty of UG and plenty of pharmacy Meds and there is a huge difference. Anyone who says otherwise is lying, don't know what their talking about, or have a hidden agenda
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Like I said, all these people praising UG gear
have never ran pharmacy sold test, nandrolone and oxandrolone so they are talking out of their ass!
I have run plenty of UG and plenty of pharmacy Meds and there is a huge difference. Anyone who says otherwise is lying, don't know what their talking about, or have a hidden agenda
True.
Pharmacy grade from actual pharmaceutical company's
In a different league to UG lab, especially 90%+
Of the rubbish being sold.
There is a handful of Decent UG Labs - very few & far.
And No Not as Good As The Real Thing.
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My favorite is when someone posts bloodwork running Test 400 and it comes back at a level that 100 mg should. Most UG is garbage.
Test 400 is Bullshit always
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I'm not being a dick here, you guys never ran legit go-to-pharmacy-and-pick up legit pharmaceuticals such as oxandrolone and nandrolone so how the hell do you have a basis for ur arguments?
*** I'm not talking about test
I ran both and personal see a HUGE difference
Y'all never ran both so how can you even argue?
People blasted lilhawk cause he makes gains off of 25 mg oxandrolone, and he prob makes more gains than UG "var" run at 100 mg
All those lab test sites can't be trusted either
You guys are delusional
Yes I am trolling you because you are a clueless idiot! I have used pharma deca it only comes in 50mg/ml and am legit trt so use pharma test. But use ugl on top. The only pharma stuff that makes a difference is Orals and Gh. If you think otherwise you need to choke on a big pink penis
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Yes I am trolling you because you are a clueless idiot! I have used pharma deca it only comes in 50mg/ml and am legit trt so use pharma test. But use ugl on top. The only pharma stuff that makes a difference is Orals and Gh. If you think otherwise you need to choke on a big pink penis
You can get pharm deca in 100mg per ml from pharmacies abroad. Also, I'm sure you've used legit Negma Parabolan so enlighten me as to how UGL tren is just as good... Not even close. 3 amps of Parabolan per week 228 mg destroys any UGL tren ace at 700 mg per week. You know how many times I got tren cough from Negma Parabolan?? Zero. Tell me Primobolan Depot from Spain and UGL primo are equal right? Syntex Belgium Drostanolone Dipropionate(Masteron),and UGL Masteron are the same right? I'm sure you've used Squibb Equipoise so why was 200-300 mg of that sufficient and today people use 5 times that amount for the same results? Upjohn Winstrol-V, Desma Winstrol, Zambon Winstrol, and UGL Winstrol are equal as well right? ICN Galenikas, Schering Testoviron Depot, and UGL enanthate are the same? OBS Pakistan, Organon Sustanon and UGL are equal according to you as well? I've used everything I have listed, as well as my close friends and brother who all compete at national level heavyweight and you simply don't know what you're talking about. There's a thing called the United States Pharmacopeia(USP). All US made pharmaceuticals are made with USP grade powders. They have to meet a certain purity level before the final product is even made, the powders are tested when the pharmaceutical companies get them. If they don't meet the USP standard, they cannot be used. The bullshit powders these UGL guys are getting are not USP grade powders, nor are they tested when they get them, no matter what bullshit they tell you. Aside from maybe one UGL. The purity of the powder makes a huge difference in the quality of the product. Those products I've listed above and other pharm grade products I've used are so much better than the bullshit on the market today it's ridiculous. I've used all the pharm grade orals as well. Anavar, Anadrol, Dbol, Winstrol, and same deal. Guys using 100mg of anavar per day. Hilarious.... You're not using var. 20-30 mg of pharm var will make you so fuckin tight and pumped you can't stand it. Dbol, funny as well. 20-30 mg of Naposims, or Thai pinks was way more than enough to blow up, now guys using 100-150mg per day. GH, goes without saying. Anyway, people are gonna believe whatever they want, even form an opinion about products they've never even held in their hand, let alone injected. Which is rather comical.
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I agree with what you say actually but I'm from Australia doesn't happen here. We literally have a choice of pharm Gh, primotesten, sustenon, reandron and deca which is 50mg/ml
Old fuck knuckle the worm is talking about getting stuff from a manufacturer aka pharmacy and that is all you can get here.
The stuff you talk of in Australia is more likely to be ugl gear re packaged and sold at a premium
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You can get pharm deca in 100mg per ml from pharmacies abroad. Also, I'm sure you've used legit Negma Parabolan so enlighten me as to how UGL tren is just as good... Not even close. 3 amps of Parabolan per week 228 mg destroys any UGL tren ace at 700 mg per week. You know how many times I got tren cough from Negma Parabolan?? Zero. Tell me Primobolan Depot from Spain and UGL primo are equal right? Syntex Belgium Drostanolone Dipropionate(Masteron),and UGL Masteron are the same right? I'm sure you've used Squibb Equipoise so why was 200-300 mg of that sufficient and today people use 5 times that amount for the same results? Upjohn Winstrol-V, Desma Winstrol, Zambon Winstrol, and UGL Winstrol are equal as well right? ICN Galenikas, Schering Testoviron Depot, and UGL enanthate are the same? OBS Pakistan, Organon Sustanon and UGL are equal according to you as well? I've used everything I have listed, as well as my close friends and brother who all compete at national level heavyweight and you simply don't know what you're talking about. There's a thing called the United States Pharmacopeia(USP). All US made pharmaceuticals are made with USP grade powders. They have to meet a certain purity level before the final product is even made, the powders are tested when the pharmaceutical companies get them. If they don't meet the USP standard, they cannot be used. The bullshit powders these UGL guys are getting are not USP grade powders, nor are they tested when they get them, no matter what bullshit they tell you. Aside from maybe one UGL. The purity of the powder makes a huge difference in the quality of the product. Those products I've listed above and other pharm grade products I've used are so much better than the bullshit on the market today it's ridiculous. I've used all the pharm grade orals as well. Anavar, Anadrol, Dbol, Winstrol, and same deal. Guys using 100mg of anavar per day. Hilarious.... You're not using var. 20-30 mg of pharm var will make you so fuckin tight and pumped you can't stand it. Dbol, funny as well. 20-30 mg of Naposims, or Thai pinks was way more than enough to blow up, now guys using 100-150mg per day. GH, goes without saying. Anyway, people are gonna believe whatever they want, even form an opinion about products they've never even held in their hand, let alone injected. Which is rather comical.
Bravo!!! Finally someone who knows what the fuck they are taking about. Puts trigger happy in place. Thanks. I thought I was going crazy with these people claiming UG is just as good. You lose all credibility when one makes stupid comments like that
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I agree with what you say actually but I'm from Australia doesn't happen here. We literally have a choice of pharm Gh, primotesten, sustenon, reandron and deca which is 50mg/ml
Old fuck knuckle the worm is talking about getting stuff from a manufacturer aka pharmacy and that is all you can get here.
The stuff you talk of in Australia is more likely to be ugl gear re packaged and sold at a premium
What the fuck? You are totally back tracking now... You are agreeing that UG is not the same as us pharmacy products, that's the whole basis of your argument, douche! Come back when u do some research!
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I am French and I used Parabolan. No Tren can match Parabolan Negma. Same thing about Testo pharma Bayer vs products UGL.
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I've used hundreds of amps of pharm grade sustanon test e and dbol. Honestly if you spend your time researching good ugls it's the same thing maybe a little less potent. The only thing that ever really blew me away were the pink thais and the naposim dbol. I've used amazing deca npp masteron and tren from ugls. If I had the choice between pharma and ugl I would of course pick the pharma but the ugls for the most part have been good to me. I looked at pictures the other day of my physique for the last five years. My physique has been consistently good and it's all been because of ugl. Stick with test deca npp tren you can't go wrong. Orals are hit and miss masteron primo hit or miss. You have to pay attention and do good research.
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What the fuck? You are totally back tracking now... You are agreeing that UG is not the same as us pharmacy products, that's the whole basis of your argument, douche! Come back when u do some research!
Not back tracking I'm saying I have tried the pharma stuff and the only thing worth taking in Australia is Gh
I'm prescribed test but only 250mg every 14 days. Tried deca not worth the $ compared to strength of ugl. You must have access to some shit ugl gear
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I've used hundreds of amps of pharm grade sustanon test e and dbol. Honestly if you spend your time researching good ugls it's the same thing maybe a little less potent. The only thing that ever really blew me away were the pink thais and the naposim dbol. I've used amazing deca npp masteron and tren from ugls. If I had the choice between pharma and ugl I would of course pick the pharma but the ugls for the most part have been good to me. I looked at pictures the other day of my physique for the last five years. My physique has been consistently good and it's all been because of ugl. Stick with test deca npp tren you can't go wrong. Orals are hit and miss masteron primo hit or miss. You have to pay attention and do good research.
what about eq? and why is mast hit or miss?
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what about eq? and why is mast hit or miss?
It's harder to get quality masteron draws its more exotic and expensive. I would say a lot of eq is shit.
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You can get pharm deca in 100mg per ml from pharmacies abroad. Also, I'm sure you've used legit Negma Parabolan so enlighten me as to how UGL tren is just as good... Not even close. 3 amps of Parabolan per week 228 mg destroys any UGL tren ace at 700 mg per week. You know how many times I got tren cough from Negma Parabolan?? Zero. Tell me Primobolan Depot from Spain and UGL primo are equal right? Syntex Belgium Drostanolone Dipropionate(Masteron),and UGL Masteron are the same right? I'm sure you've used Squibb Equipoise so why was 200-300 mg of that sufficient and today people use 5 times that amount for the same results? Upjohn Winstrol-V, Desma Winstrol, Zambon Winstrol, and UGL Winstrol are equal as well right? ICN Galenikas, Schering Testoviron Depot, and UGL enanthate are the same? OBS Pakistan, Organon Sustanon and UGL are equal according to you as well? I've used everything I have listed, as well as my close friends and brother who all compete at national level heavyweight and you simply don't know what you're talking about. There's a thing called the United States Pharmacopeia(USP). All US made pharmaceuticals are made with USP grade powders. They have to meet a certain purity level before the final product is even made, the powders are tested when the pharmaceutical companies get them. If they don't meet the USP standard, they cannot be used. The bullshit powders these UGL guys are getting are not USP grade powders, nor are they tested when they get them, no matter what bullshit they tell you. Aside from maybe one UGL. The purity of the powder makes a huge difference in the quality of the product. Those products I've listed above and other pharm grade products I've used are so much better than the bullshit on the market today it's ridiculous. I've used all the pharm grade orals as well. Anavar, Anadrol, Dbol, Winstrol, and same deal. Guys using 100mg of anavar per day. Hilarious.... You're not using var. 20-30 mg of pharm var will make you so fuckin tight and pumped you can't stand it. Dbol, funny as well. 20-30 mg of Naposims, or Thai pinks was way more than enough to blow up, now guys using 100-150mg per day. GH, goes without saying. Anyway, people are gonna believe whatever they want, even form an opinion about products they've never even held in their hand, let alone injected. Which is rather comical.
I agree with a lot of what you day but I think your frustration is a bit misdirected.
I have tried some of the products you mentioned. I brew my own now. I can't tell the difference between the two and my.blood work clearly shows I'm using legit raws. I have yet to make any orals but the injectables I make are potent as hell. In.my opinion the issue isn't so much the quality of the raw material. (if its from a legit producer.)
The problem is that most labs are inconsistent, or are run.by scammers looking to stretch their profit margins. Lots of underdosing or mislabeled product. Lots if guys not knowing what they are doing, etc..
If you are lucky enough to find a good lab that has a good source I don't you'll be disappointed , its just that they are hard to come by. Your better off making your own and saving money while knowing what your getting.
A good powder source can easily be comparable to over priced pharmagrade.
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I agree with a lot of what you day but I think your frustration is a bit misdirected.
I have tried some of the products you mentioned. I brew my own now. I can't tell the difference between the two and my.blood work clearly shows I'm using legit raws. I have yet to make any orals but the injectables I make are potent as hell. In.my opinion the issue isn't so much the quality of the raw material. (if its from a legit producer.)
The problem is that most labs are inconsistent, or are run.by scammers looking to stretch their profit margins. Lots of underdosing or mislabeled product. Lots if guys not knowing what they are doing, etc..
If you are lucky enough to find a good lab that has a good source I don't you'll be disappointed , its just that they are hard to come by. Your better off making your own and saving money while knowing what your getting.
A good powder source can easily be comparable to over priced pharmagrade.
its not the base chemical of the "legit" raw you are using, its the OTHER stuff that is in there that people are concerned about.
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its not the base chemical of the "legit" raw you are using, its the OTHER stuff that is in there that people are concerned about.
The argument was that the raws for ugls was shit quality not that it had poison in it
If I had a dollar for every one of these heavy metals and other foriegn ingredients comments I'd have enough money for a huge order. Where is the lab tested evidence?
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I think he used a lot of Paul Borresen's techniques....if you'd call them that.
"only 1000mg of sust for 10 day is shit, i'll recommend 1000mg of sust/day for 16 week."
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All this ugl argument!!!! I've never tried pharma So I can not say if it's better or not seems to me most are getting garbage ugl I used to get these but did my research and use what I assume is very good ugl now.
This is my current experience...ugl
I run 1 cc test a week with 1 cc deca 1 cc masterone enan since january body fat by caliper is 9.06% body weight is 233lbs
Bench press 410 lbs squat 550 deadlift 545 currently these r my lifts to date last 4 weeks added 50mgs anadrol on training days the squat will b up about 50lbs next attempt since I train BB I havnt maxed out in forever these lifts are just what I have had on the bar and succeeded at. Not bragging because there are a lots of people stronger bigger and leaner than me.
I just don't see that Watson test being any more potent than my ugl sust. I know people in real-life that get that shit from The Dr and use 3ccs week Watson cyp and they ask me what you take and the answer is usually they train like shit and eat the same.
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Test 400 is Bullshit always
The original Test 400 by Denkall was legit.
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Many years ago I was fortunate to have a good 18mnths on & off of using
2x organon Sustanon 2x napp labs ( could be wrong on these ) & 2x negma parabolan
At a bodyweight of around 95kg 210lbs was the strongest I'd ever been.
As for Bodyfat around 7% very lean & vascular ( I don't carry much bodyfat ).
Felt amazing, always ready & wanting to train, Recovery great.
Training partner was the same though he took 1 more each of sust & deca.
Though 10yrs older than me. (Mr Britian, Mr Europe, Mr universe winner)
He had a very understanding female doctor who wrote him script for the stuff.
Having used many makes of steroids -- Have never felt so good, strong, or looked so well
As when using that ( sadly).
I'm sure there are some very good ugl gear about - as that's what I use now.
I doubt it's as well made in such clinically clean ingredients or environments.
Given the choice of pharmaceutical or ugl I'd go with pharma.
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Test 400 is Bullshit always
What do you mean by this? If you're saying its impossible to make, I would disagree. It is possible as its very stable at higher concentrations without a lot of benzyle benzoate. It does hurt like a friggin bitch though. So.much so that its almost impossible to shoot on a regular basis. Feels like being kicked by a horse.
Some brewers say ethyl oleate solves that pain problem but I don't and won't use that stuff as I'm already not keen on using BB and BA together in higher strengths.
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i think hes referring to that
properly concentrated t300 hurts like a BITCH already. fuck t400...
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i think hes referring to that
properly concentrated t300 hurts like a BITCH already. fuck t400...
Definitely, makes.it almost impossible to use regularly. Who wants to shoot in the same area that is.still killing from a shot a week ago? Lol
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Definitely, makes.it almost impossible to use regularly. Who wants to shoot in the same area that is.still killing from a shot a week ago? Lol
I got some t500 200 test e 200 test c 100 (super long ester)
I got flu like symptoms but no pain the first week. Second week I mixed with sterile oil warmed it up and pinned .4 cc mwf way better. Everyone raves about it seems legit.
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I got some t500 200 test e 200 test c 100 (super long ester)
I got flu like symptoms but no pain the first week. Second week I mixed with sterile oil warmed it up and pinned .4 cc mwf way better. Everyone raves about it seems legit.
T500?! Jesus! How does that not crash...? I'm always weary of T400 cause it seems that kind of concentration is just a bit much per ml (though, I know its possible). But T500... If its even possible to keep it suspended, I'd imagine it would hurt like hell.
I stick to 200mg/ml - 250mg/ml for long enanth/cyp, and 100mg/ml for prop. I generally don't stray from those.
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I just grabbed one bottle of it to see what the hype was. I have a bunch of test pp to use.
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I got some t500 200 test e 200 test c 100 (super long ester)
I got flu like symptoms but no pain the first week. Second week I mixed with sterile oil warmed it up and pinned .4 cc mwf way better. Everyone raves about it seems legit.
I have a hard time believing that it had the amount claimed without any pain involved.
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I have a hard time believing that it had the amount claimed without any pain involved.
If I shot a whole cc without diluting it warming it up I'm sure it would be.
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If I shot a whole cc without diluting it warming it up I'm sure it would be.
Got it.
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i didnt think a ml could hold 500mg of test without crashing. that must be sum thick ass oil
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pinning 250/1ml of sust hurts me pretty bad, so i must just be a big ass pussy i guess :D
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What do you mean by this? If you're saying its impossible to make, I would disagree. It is possible as its very stable at higher concentrations without a lot of benzyle benzoate. It does hurt like a friggin bitch though. So.much so that its almost impossible to shoot on a regular basis. Feels like being kicked by a horse.
Some brewers say ethyl oleate solves that pain problem but I don't and won't use that stuff as I'm already not keen on using BB and BA together in higher strengths.
painful I had some that seemed potent as it said but anything over a 1/4 cc and Legg/ass/delts knots up on u. i steer clear from these high dosed shit not worth it when u can just use an extra cc of regular pain free test. Fuck test is test why suffer. Maybe some are good but I don't have time to deal with Bullshit I want to inject in my quads then train legs the next day with zero discomfort. So let me rephrase my statement maybe some t400 is legit but I'm not gonna mess with it. When u know mosthat will be pain free
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painful I had some that seemed potent as it said but anything over a 1/4 cc and Legg/ass/delts knots up on u. i steer clear from these high dosed shit not worth it when u can just use an extra cc of regular pain free test. Fuck test is test why suffer. Maybe some are good but I don't have time to deal with Bullshit I want to inject in my quads then train legs the next day with zero discomfort. So let me rephrase my statement maybe some t400 is legit but I'm not gonna mess with it. When u know mosthat will be pain free
I agree.
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I agree.
And some times ide diluted 1/4 cc t400 with 1cc tren and 1cc npp or mast whatever still knot up on you. Take that fucked up test out and use 250 E, cyp, 100prop whatever that's normal and smooth sailing I can put 3 cc in the quad and go train legs hour later or the next day no pain.
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You can get pharm deca in 100mg per ml from pharmacies abroad. Also, I'm sure you've used legit Negma Parabolan so enlighten me as to how UGL tren is just as good... Not even close. 3 amps of Parabolan per week 228 mg destroys any UGL tren ace at 700 mg per week. You know how many times I got tren cough from Negma Parabolan?? Zero. Tell me Primobolan Depot from Spain and UGL primo are equal right? Syntex Belgium Drostanolone Dipropionate(Masteron),and UGL Masteron are the same right? I'm sure you've used Squibb Equipoise so why was 200-300 mg of that sufficient and today people use 5 times that amount for the same results? Upjohn Winstrol-V, Desma Winstrol, Zambon Winstrol, and UGL Winstrol are equal as well right? ICN Galenikas, Schering Testoviron Depot, and UGL enanthate are the same? OBS Pakistan, Organon Sustanon and UGL are equal according to you as well? I've used everything I have listed, as well as my close friends and brother who all compete at national level heavyweight and you simply don't know what you're talking about. There's a thing called the United States Pharmacopeia(USP). All US made pharmaceuticals are made with USP grade powders. They have to meet a certain purity level before the final product is even made, the powders are tested when the pharmaceutical companies get them. If they don't meet the USP standard, they cannot be used. The bullshit powders these UGL guys are getting are not USP grade powders, nor are they tested when they get them, no matter what bullshit they tell you. Aside from maybe one UGL. The purity of the powder makes a huge difference in the quality of the product. Those products I've listed above and other pharm grade products I've used are so much better than the bullshit on the market today it's ridiculous. I've used all the pharm grade orals as well. Anavar, Anadrol, Dbol, Winstrol, and same deal. Guys using 100mg of anavar per day. Hilarious.... You're not using var. 20-30 mg of pharm var will make you so fuckin tight and pumped you can't stand it. Dbol, funny as well. 20-30 mg of Naposims, or Thai pinks was way more than enough to blow up, now guys using 100-150mg per day. GH, goes without saying. Anyway, people are gonna believe whatever they want, even form an opinion about products they've never even held in their hand, let alone injected. Which is rather comical.
? for lillhawk, any opinion on livewell or Revalor brand?
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You can get pharm deca in 100mg per ml from pharmacies abroad. Also, I'm sure you've used legit Negma Parabolan so enlighten me as to how UGL tren is just as good... Not even close. 3 amps of Parabolan per week 228 mg destroys any UGL tren ace at 700 mg per week. You know how many times I got tren cough from Negma Parabolan?? Zero. Tell me Primobolan Depot from Spain and UGL primo are equal right? Syntex Belgium Drostanolone Dipropionate(Masteron),and UGL Masteron are the same right? I'm sure you've used Squibb Equipoise so why was 200-300 mg of that sufficient and today people use 5 times that amount for the same results? Upjohn Winstrol-V, Desma Winstrol, Zambon Winstrol, and UGL Winstrol are equal as well right? ICN Galenikas, Schering Testoviron Depot, and UGL enanthate are the same? OBS Pakistan, Organon Sustanon and UGL are equal according to you as well? I've used everything I have listed, as well as my close friends and brother who all compete at national level heavyweight and you simply don't know what you're talking about. There's a thing called the United States Pharmacopeia(USP). All US made pharmaceuticals are made with USP grade powders. They have to meet a certain purity level before the final product is even made, the powders are tested when the pharmaceutical companies get them. If they don't meet the USP standard, they cannot be used. The bullshit powders these UGL guys are getting are not USP grade powders, nor are they tested when they get them, no matter what bullshit they tell you. Aside from maybe one UGL. The purity of the powder makes a huge difference in the quality of the product. Those products I've listed above and other pharm grade products I've used are so much better than the bullshit on the market today it's ridiculous. I've used all the pharm grade orals as well. Anavar, Anadrol, Dbol, Winstrol, and same deal. Guys using 100mg of anavar per day. Hilarious.... You're not using var. 20-30 mg of pharm var will make you so fuckin tight and pumped you can't stand it. Dbol, funny as well. 20-30 mg of Naposims, or Thai pinks was way more than enough to blow up, now guys using 100-150mg per day. GH, goes without saying. Anyway, people are gonna believe whatever they want, even form an opinion about products they've never even held in their hand, let alone injected. Which is rather comical.
Good post. This sums it up.
25mg of real anavar can have a profound effect.
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I don't believe him, but why pull those cycle lengths out of his ass? I heard him in a number of interviews with these weird cycles, like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off for a long time... I don't understand it
Dorian owes much of his success to Paul Borreson. Borreson came up with the concept of super blasting short cycles. He theorized the body could accumulate muscle tissue in a very short time but that the body would only do this for a few weeks before shutting muscle growth down. So he advocated running test deca and an oral all short esters or suspensions with crazy high doses for a 2-3 week cycle then either switching compounds or coming off for a few weeks then blasting again. It works great, if you can handle the swings and deit requirements. Only the most hardcore can do it successfully, dorian and ronnie cone to mind. Not sure who else, the strain on your body is insane your weight will shoot up 50-60 lbs in less than a month.
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You can get pharm deca in 100mg per ml from pharmacies abroad. Also, I'm sure you've used legit Negma Parabolan so enlighten me as to how UGL tren is just as good... Not even close. 3 amps of Parabolan per week 228 mg destroys any UGL tren ace at 700 mg per week. You know how many times I got tren cough from Negma Parabolan?? Zero. Tell me Primobolan Depot from Spain and UGL primo are equal right? Syntex Belgium Drostanolone Dipropionate(Masteron),and UGL Masteron are the same right? I'm sure you've used Squibb Equipoise so why was 200-300 mg of that sufficient and today people use 5 times that amount for the same results? Upjohn Winstrol-V, Desma Winstrol, Zambon Winstrol, and UGL Winstrol are equal as well right? ICN Galenikas, Schering Testoviron Depot, and UGL enanthate are the same? OBS Pakistan, Organon Sustanon and UGL are equal according to you as well? I've used everything I have listed, as well as my close friends and brother who all compete at national level heavyweight and you simply don't know what you're talking about. There's a thing called the United States Pharmacopeia(USP). All US made pharmaceuticals are made with USP grade powders. They have to meet a certain purity level before the final product is even made, the powders are tested when the pharmaceutical companies get them. If they don't meet the USP standard, they cannot be used. The bullshit powders these UGL guys are getting are not USP grade powders, nor are they tested when they get them, no matter what bullshit they tell you. Aside from maybe one UGL. The purity of the powder makes a huge difference in the quality of the product. Those products I've listed above and other pharm grade products I've used are so much better than the bullshit on the market today it's ridiculous. I've used all the pharm grade orals as well. Anavar, Anadrol, Dbol, Winstrol, and same deal. Guys using 100mg of anavar per day. Hilarious.... You're not using var. 20-30 mg of pharm var will make you so fuckin tight and pumped you can't stand it. Dbol, funny as well. 20-30 mg of Naposims, or Thai pinks was way more than enough to blow up, now guys using 100-150mg per day. GH, goes without saying. Anyway, people are gonna believe whatever they want, even form an opinion about products they've never even held in their hand, let alone injected. Which is rather comical.
Tell you one thing 20mgs of pink thais was all i could take. At 30mgs i couldnt walk and dropped my dose. Legit gear vs ugl there is no comparison.
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Dorian owes much of his success to Paul Borreson. Borreson came up with the concept of super blasting short cycles. He theorized the body could accumulate muscle tissue in a very short time but that the body would only do this for a few weeks before shutting muscle growth down. So he advocated running test deca and an oral all short esters or suspensions with crazy high doses for a 2-3 week cycle then either switching compounds or coming off for a few weeks then blasting again. It works great, if you can handle the swings and deit requirements. Only the most hardcore can do it successfully, dorian and ronnie cone to mind. Not sure who else, the strain on your body is insane your weight will shoot up 50-60 lbs in less than a month.
I have done this twice 3weeks on/2weeks off/3weeks on, repeat for another round....... and it isnt fun, but it is effective. I didnt gain 60 pounds though...LOL.. wish I did.
I think you are the first person on this forum that I have seen mention Paul Borreson! Kudos to you!
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Who here Knew Paul Borreson ?
Had any dealings with him ?
I did.
Also it wasn’t Paul “Helping / Advising Dorian”
He tried to Only Dorian Saw Straight Through Him.
Maybe some of the older UK lads will also Know who was Helping / Advising Dorian.
Other than Dorian.
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Kerry Kayes advised Dorian, Borrenson was just a mad scientists who guinea pigged himself. 40iu is an absolute Joke, Dorian never went over 8iu, and he did his first olympias on as little as 4-6 iu, he never used anything other than pharma. he could have used more in his later on but 92 and 93 he didn't
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Kerry Kayes advised Dorian, Borrenson was just a mad scientists who guinea pigged himself. 40iu is an absolute Joke, Dorian never went over 8iu, and he did his first olympias on as little as 4-6 iu, he never used anything other than pharma. he could have used more in his later on but 92 and 93 he didn't
Yes - You’re much more correct than the Buffoons who preach otherwise
PB was a Rip off artist from day one - Hmmmm now how & why did he hurt his back 🙄
& why did he live in a secure house with metal shutters. Perhaps The Experts Can Share
Their Knowledge - I’ll see how close to the Truth they get.
KK was a big part of early Dorian & So was the Man from the south coast ( uk ) BB.
PB had a few ideas & theories mostly gotten from others.
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Kerry Kayes advised Dorian, Borrenson was just a mad scientists who guinea pigged himself. 40iu is an absolute Joke, Dorian never went over 8iu, and he did his first olympias on as little as 4-6 iu, he never used anything other than pharma. he could have used more in his later on but 92 and 93 he didn't
honest - do you know if Dorian really did follow the 8weeks on/ 4 weeks off regime that I believe he said he followed? Perhaps early in his bodybuilding career he may have, not during his Olympia time... but that is my opinion.
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I have done this twice 3weeks on/2weeks off/3weeks on, repeat for another round....... and it isnt fun, but it is effective. I didnt gain 60 pounds though...LOL.. wish I did.
I think you are the first person on this forum that I have seen mention Paul Borreson! Kudos to you!
So that type of cycling is totally different than the average cycles of minimum 10 weeks. Insane!
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Yes - You’re much more correct than the Buffoons who preach otherwise
PB was a Rip off artist from day one - Hmmmm now how & why did he hurt his back 🙄
& why did he live in a secure house with metal shutters. Perhaps The Experts Can Share
Their Knowledge - I’ll see how close to the Truth they get.
KK was a big part of early Dorian & So was the Man from the south coast ( uk ) BB.
PB had a few ideas & theories mostly gotten from others.
Didnt Paul try to fly out of his first floor window? lol
I know PB's survivors, guy was a snake oil salesman...hes friends arent much better
KK and Doz worked together on a lot of things, helped each other. Who came up with ProPeptide and ProGF afterall?
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Didnt Paul try to fly out of his first floor window? lol
I know PB's survivors, guy was a snake oil salesman...hes friends arent much better
KK and Doz worked together on a lot of things, helped each other. Who came up with ProPeptide and ProGF afterall?
Exactly - Paul as Usual Tried To rip off the Hand that helped him & Fed Him, He soon found out
He wasn’t able to fly very well out of that 1st floor window.
He was good at passing himself off as something he wasn’t & Conning Some People To Believe
Him & give him Money.
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So that type of cycling is totally different than the average cycles of minimum 10 weeks. Insane!
Paul Borreson had some really insane high dose cycles....you can read a lot of those on 3 books: "Muscle smoke and mirrors" vol 1,2,3.
Here you can find the (in)famous 3cc cycle, or the 1 vial a week and so on....
All these cycles were abusive on gear usage.
3w high dose cycle imho is internet bullshit.
These guys were always ON, like nowadays but they didn't had access to HGH and Insulin like now
Adays.
Once you reach your size you can maintain on 1/10th of the dose...
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You can get pharm deca in 100mg per ml from pharmacies abroad. Also, I'm sure you've used legit Negma Parabolan so enlighten me as to how UGL tren is just as good... Not even close. 3 amps of Parabolan per week 228 mg destroys any UGL tren ace at 700 mg per week. You know how many times I got tren cough from Negma Parabolan?? Zero. Tell me Primobolan Depot from Spain and UGL primo are equal right? Syntex Belgium Drostanolone Dipropionate(Masteron),and UGL Masteron are the same right? I'm sure you've used Squibb Equipoise so why was 200-300 mg of that sufficient and today people use 5 times that amount for the same results? Upjohn Winstrol-V, Desma Winstrol, Zambon Winstrol, and UGL Winstrol are equal as well right? ICN Galenikas, Schering Testoviron Depot, and UGL enanthate are the same? OBS Pakistan, Organon Sustanon and UGL are equal according to you as well? I've used everything I have listed, as well as my close friends and brother who all compete at national level heavyweight and you simply don't know what you're talking about. There's a thing called the United States Pharmacopeia(USP). All US made pharmaceuticals are made with USP grade powders. They have to meet a certain purity level before the final product is even made, the powders are tested when the pharmaceutical companies get them. If they don't meet the USP standard, they cannot be used. The bullshit powders these UGL guys are getting are not USP grade powders, nor are they tested when they get them, no matter what bullshit they tell you. Aside from maybe one UGL. The purity of the powder makes a huge difference in the quality of the product. Those products I've listed above and other pharm grade products I've used are so much better than the bullshit on the market today it's ridiculous. I've used all the pharm grade orals as well. Anavar, Anadrol, Dbol, Winstrol, and same deal. Guys using 100mg of anavar per day. Hilarious.... You're not using var. 20-30 mg of pharm var will make you so fuckin tight and pumped you can't stand it. Dbol, funny as well. 20-30 mg of Naposims, or Thai pinks was way more than enough to blow up, now guys using 100-150mg per day. GH, goes without saying. Anyway, people are gonna believe whatever they want, even form an opinion about products they've never even held in their hand, let alone injected. Which is rather comical.
I remember the good old days blowing up on fun 4 week cycles of 15-30 mg a day pink thais lol and getting dry on 30 mg yellow winstrols.
now every newb thinks they need 500 mg test as a base.
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I remember the good old days blowing up on fun 4 week cycles of 15-30 mg a day pink thais lol and getting dry on 30 mg yellow winstrols.
now every newb thinks they need 500 mg test as a base.
Very true and 300mg is "trt" :D
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Lee Haney retired at 31 years old not because of Dorians physique but because of what Dorian was willing to use to get that physique. All these older pros like to now try to re-write history. Dorian actually has the balls to say he was a low dose guy. what a joke
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Lee Haney retired at 31 years old not because of Dorians physique but because of what Dorian was willing to use to get that physique. All these older pros like to now try to re-write history. Dorian actually has the balls to say he was a low dose guy. what a joke
Yeah exactly. Back then it was “chemical warfare” and it was known Yates was willing to take more and go all out, drugs, diet, and training.
Ian Harrison. Paul Borreson whatever those guys whoever all helped him weren’t low dose advocates. Lol.
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I remember the good old days blowing up on fun 4 week cycles of 15-30 mg a day pink thais lol and getting dry on 30 mg yellow winstrols.
now every newb thinks they need 500 mg test as a base.
Oh, I remember the good old days of Ciba Dianabol 20mgs a day and either deca duroblin or primabolan depot 200mg a wk. No test. 12 weeks on 4 weeks off. Late 70's early 80's..
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Lee Haney retired at 31 years old not because of Dorians physique but because of what Dorian was willing to use to get that physique. All these older pros like to now try to re-write history. Dorian actually has the balls to say he was a low dose guy. what a joke
Yeah exactly. Back then it was “chemical warfare” and it was known Yates was willing to take more and go all out, drugs, diet, and training.
Ian Harrison. Paul Borreson whatever those guys whoever all helped him weren’t low dose advocates. Lol.
May I ask How you know this ? Did you know Dorian & his circle of Friends etc ?
or is this just hearsay & Internet Bollocks you’re spewing?
Why don’t you Both take Massive mega doses of whatever you Believe Dorian was using & Both Become Leading Mr Olympia Competitors.... After All It’s All about Huge Amounts of Drugs isn’t it ? ?
So what’s stopping you from Proving your Theory??
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Nobody knows but Dorian. My personal opinion is that he used massive amounts of gear; as all professionals do.
Believe what makes you feel better at the end of the day. Genetics are important, but these Pro's used insane amounts of gear, there is plenty of proof if you know where to look and who to talk to.
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I don't believe him, but why pull those cycle lengths out of his ass? I heard him in a number of interviews with these weird cycles, like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off for a long time... I don't understand it
The short cycles were a theory paul borreson came up with. Idea being to get around myostatin release. Usually around the 8 week mark myostatin goes skyhigh for a while. Its temporary but anywsy thats the idea.
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I have used plenty of Pharm. When they tried to charge my $160 for a bottle of test I decided to make my own. Pharma uses cottonseed oil (its cheap) and tons of preservatives and sterilization agents (BB, BA). They do this so that it can sit on a shelf for a few years (BB, BA). I use organic Grapeseed oil.
I use less solvents and make my test in the 250 mg range. As mentioned, going higher will only cause you pain and needless suffering. 300 mis is mild PIP, 400 is crippling. I make my gear as I need it, so it is always fresh.
I will go as far a to say that my test is superior to Pharma in every way.
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Also, I knew an IFBB pro who knew what dorian was taking. Dorian used 3 sustenon and 200 mgs of anavar per day. We all know he was one of the first to use massive amounts of GH, but slin use was in its infancy then. That grainy conditioning and huge size comes from hard core training, as Dorian did not rely upon slin like everyone does today.
Just compare his body to Phill Heaths. Heath has perfect genetics and does a pumping type workout and then shoots a ton of slin to get his size.
Dorians size did not come from slinkier, it came from insane work loads. Phil, while a great bodybuilder, does not eminate power the way Dorian did.
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Also, I knew an IFBB pro who knew what dorian was taking. Dorian used 3 sustenon and 200 mgs of anavar per day. We all know he was one of the first to use massive amounts of GH, but slin use was in its infancy then. That grainy conditioning and huge size comes from hard core training, as Dorian did not rely upon slin like everyone does today.
Just compare his body to Phill Heaths. Heath has perfect genetics and does a pumping type workout and then shoots a ton of slin to get his size.
Dorians size did not come from slinkier, it came from insane work loads. Phil, while a great bodybuilder, does not eminate power the way Dorian did.
Was that 3 sustenon's per day or per week?
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Also, I knew an IFBB pro who knew what dorian was taking. Dorian used 3 sustenon and 200 mgs of anavar per day. We all know he was one of the first to use massive amounts of GH, but slin use was in its infancy then. That grainy conditioning and huge size comes from hard core training, as Dorian did not rely upon slin like everyone does today.
Just compare his body to Phill Heaths. Heath has perfect genetics and does a pumping type workout and then shoots a ton of slin to get his size.
Dorians size did not come from slinkier, it came from insane work loads. Phil, while a great bodybuilder, does not eminate power the way Dorian did.
Having known Dorian & Trained at his Temple Gym - You Totally Wrong..........
It was 3 Suston & 200 Anavar an Hour. Pussies either take the gear properly or don’t bother.
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🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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Years ago, I had to work with former bber Chris Duffy. He was telling me Yates' drug cycle and I was amazed. I wasn't sure to take it as truth because Duffy was such a drug-upped mess. Seemed like the recreational drugs fried his brain partially.
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100% TRUE! Pharma grade gear is the "secret". The most important thing in bb is your body's response-interaction with the pharma grade stuff! If you take the wrong juice for your particular metabolic-endocrine profile, or too much-too many "molecules" at once... Some gifted athletes i know take up to 5 times LESS gear than average people and they are huge and strong! If you need grams per week or tens of pills per day of any PED... you'll get sick and die young for nothing!
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100% TRUE! Pharma grade gear is the "secret". The most important thing in bb is your body's response-interaction with the pharma grade stuff! If you take the wrong juice for your particular metabolic-endocrine profile, or too much-too many "molecules" at once... Some gifted athletes i know take up to 5 times LESS gear than average people and they are huge and strong! If you need grams per week or tens of pills per day of any PED... you'll get sick and die young for nothing!
Really- well Let’s Hope That is your 1st & Last post on Getbig. 🙄🙄🙄
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TRT really is 50-70 mg/week of testosterone. Thinking you can do more than this without any long term consequences may be short sided. But, the experiments are being run and we’ll see in 10-20 years.
Fuck Off.
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illuminati "knows" Dorian!!! Besi in pula mea de retardat umflat cu pompa! Hai sictir! Nu vedeti cat sunteti de jalnici?!!Muie cu handel sa va dau tuturor!!!
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Years ago, I had to work with former bber Chris Duffy. He was telling me Yates' drug cycle and I was amazed. I wasn't sure to take it as truth because Duffy was such a drug-upped mess. Seemed like the recreational drugs fried his brain partially.
I just read this post. It was truth. Chris is one of the most mentally messed up people on the planet, but he is not a bad person. Furthermore, the guy had no incentive to lie. He told me that Dorian was the only one not to give him shit for being gay. Back then, after the Olympia everyone toured together, so everyone knew what everyone else was taking. I have stories you would not fucking believe.
At that time I wanted to be a champion bodybuilder more than anything, and Chris told me what to eat (way more than I did before) take (again way more) and how much cardio to do (2 hours a day, every day). I did, and won my class at a big CA show. We did not know how much GH or slin Dorian used (tons of GH, but less slin than modern guys). The 750 sus/200 var per day numbers are accurate.
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I just read this post. It was truth. Chris is one of the most mentally messed up people on the planet, but he is not a bad person. Furthermore, the guy had no incentive to lie. He told me that Dorian was the only one not to give him shit for being gay. Back then, after the Olympia everyone toured together, so everyone knew what everyone else was taking. I have stories you would not fucking believe.
At that time I wanted to be a champion bodybuilder more than anything, and Chris told me what to eat (way more than I did before) take (again way more) and how much cardio to do (2 hours a day, every day). I did, and won my class at a big CA show. We did not know how much GH or slin Dorian used (tons of GH, but less slin than modern guys). The 750 sus/200 var per day numbers are accurate.
What kind of crazy stories are we talking here?
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illuminati "knows" Dorian!!! Besi in pula mea de retardat umflat cu pompa! Hai sictir! Nu vedeti cat sunteti de jalnici?!!Muie cu handel sa va dau tuturor!!!
Try to read correctly,
I knew Dorian many moons ago .
Only Dorian knows for sure exactly what he was using.
Of course you may know also, ::)
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Only a few pros have been honest.
Regarding the UGL vs Pharma argument regarding Test and other compounds (not hgh)
I get the same raws from a source that provides for compounding labs used in US.
I brew my own gear.
The issue with UG labs is the question of "underdosed".
Many UGL also get their raws from reputable sources used in pharmacy prescribed Test.
So all UG labs gear is not bunk. Just lames that underdose their gear.
Otherwise there is no difference with relation to Test and Pharma Test.
I am also prescribed Test Cyp.
I currently brew Test Decanoate.
I have ran both pharma prescribed and my homebrew.
No difference. I accounted for ester weight.
I've ran grams on blast for long periods. AR Upregulation for the win.
I didn't start on grams.
I'm 240ish and 5'9".
Never touched GH.
I've done 750mg Test for blasts.... for long periods.
As I grew, when I pushed the dosages, 2g and more for Test alone...
That's what got me sheer size.
Pinning 2mL EOD of homebrew Test D 400mg/mL EOD isn't hard.
Then moving to 2.5mL EOD. Then finishing with 3ml EOD.
Almost 1 vial of Test a week.
With 600 primo and 300 Deca
6mg Aromasin E4D
Cialis, Telmisartan and other ancillary...
Then cruising on 1g Test for 8 weeks then pushing back up to 2g again
for 12 weeks. Into another big blast using other things.
High Test for long periods is the safest method.
Not always running 19nor, and screw orals like anadrol and dbol.
That much Test feels better than anadrol and dbol.
Tren sometimes ran under blast at 200/wk.
You will most likely need doctor prescribed Statins.
Some may need BP meds but there are plenty of OTC alternatives.
Estro management via Primo and Aromasin keeps my BP down.
If you've never gone to this extreme(and this isn't even next level extreme)...
You will never know that you actually won't "die doing that".
I started running gear at 38, I am now 43.
I was definitely close to my genetic limit.
I don't care if you don't believe us that know what is really going on.
We tell you, and you claim it's lies because it sound insane.
"I got my pro card on 300 Test Cyp"... OK, so what they really mean is at
the time of competition, they were on 300, but that's not how they got there.
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15 always said that the biggest that you can get on gear alone, no slin or gh, is 220 @ 4% @ 5'10"
I'm 240... been 255. I'm 5'9". I'm not fat, maybe 12%... but that's fat
compared to guys on stage. You can see my abs.
Talk is cheap I get it... but I'm covered in easily recognized Tattoo,
and I talk about homebrew. Not a good mix to blast my photos online.
The amount of gear I have on hand is for myself, but they would claim otherwise.
No GH or Insulin.
Just grams of gear and food... for years.
Might run GH in a year or two, lower dose so no insulin needed.
Also getting old.
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I'm 240... been 255. I'm 5'9". I'm not fat, maybe 12%... but that's fat
compared to guys on stage. You can see my abs.
Talk is cheap I get it... but I'm covered in easily recognized Tattoo,
and I talk about homebrew. Not a good mix to blast my photos online.
The amount of gear I have on hand is for myself, but they would claim otherwise.
No GH or Insulin.
Just grams of gear and food... for years.
Might run GH in a year or two, lower dose so no insulin needed.
Also getting old.
so what would you weigh @ 4% 210ish?
you sound like you were influnced by victor black am i right?
i'm not a mass guy i'm into having a tiny waist and wide shoulders with nice arms delts and pecs don't train legs much or even back, just back width mostly
it seems if you don't want to be more than 180ish @ 5% then 1 gram total gear load is enough from all i heard on jootube
they say all the big guys 240+ run 2-3 grams total at blast, this comes from justin harris, john jewett etc
i plan to recomp going from 172 @ 9% to 172 @ 5% on 350 sust and 140 tren
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I'm 240... been 255. I'm 5'9". I'm not fat, maybe 12%... but that's fat
compared to guys on stage. You can see my abs.
Talk is cheap I get it... but I'm covered in easily recognized Tattoo,
and I talk about homebrew. Not a good mix to blast my photos online.
The amount of gear I have on hand is for myself, but they would claim otherwise.
No GH or Insulin.
Just grams of gear and food... for years.
Might run GH in a year or two, lower dose so no insulin needed.
Also getting old.
i hate winny and mast those drugs suck for me, could be mast lowered my estro too much, they say mast lowers estro more than primo, did you find this to be true? that's if you used mast
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I have no aspirations for competing. Let's just say my job requires me to be bigger and stronger. Along with being a poor skinny kid that was always hungry until I made my own way. Along with body dysmorphia and vanity.
Masteron vs Primo for me is about availability and current prices. I use them interchangeable.
Don't fancy one over the other and never pushed the dosages.
I just know what dose I need and if I need to run a small amount of Aromasin.
That has changed over time of course.
Honestly I don't get blood work as often as I should. Sometimes at end of blast I even prefer to
let estro elevate and block with Nolva.
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My two cents..I've been around forever (ARISTIMUQOH) (since the internet started working). This is one of the few BB boards that has been running for many years and to make a long story short, genetics will always play a major role, the digestive system, hormone receptors, etc. are not the same for everyone, so some people can gain a lot of muscle with little gear... just by eating and training smart... I have met the best IFBB BBs that in the off season with 1.5 grams of test and 6 IU of HGH 4-5 days a week become huge, if you need a lot of gear forget to make a carrer in BB for your health. Of course always sticking the best to your body... human grade stuff almost is not available in these days..and there are a lot of garbage (cheaper) in the market..
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My two cents..I've been around forever (ARISTIMUQOH) (since the internet started working). This is one of the few BB boards that has been running for many years and to make a long story short, genetics will always play a major role, the digestive system, hormone receptors, etc. are not the same for everyone, so some people can gain a lot of muscle with little gear... just by eating and training smart... I have met the best IFBB BBs that in the off season with 1.5 grams of test and 6 IU of HGH 4-5 days a week become huge, if you need a lot of gear forget to make a carrer in BB for your health. Of course always sticking the best to your body... human grade stuff almost is not available in these days..and there are a lot of garbage (cheaper) in the market..
Good post & very accurate
Yet you have many internet wannabe's who only believe its
more & more Drugs - Yet they don't take bucket loads & prove
their theory correct - 99.9% of them would just look a big bloated mess
& nothing like Dorian or a Pro Bodybuilder.
Idiotic Retards - sure PEDs are a part so are Genetics / diet / training /
Mental attitude / discipline / consistency etc etc.
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My two cents..I've been around forever (ARISTIMUQOH) (since the internet started working). This is one of the few BB boards that has been running for many years and to make a long story short, genetics will always play a major role, the digestive system, hormone receptors, etc. are not the same for everyone, so some people can gain a lot of muscle with little gear... just by eating and training smart... I have met the best IFBB BBs that in the off season with 1.5 grams of test and 6 IU of HGH 4-5 days a week become huge, if you need a lot of gear forget to make a carrer in BB for your health. Of course always sticking the best to your body... human grade stuff almost is not available in these days..and there are a lot of garbage (cheaper) in the market..
Are you serious? That is a lot of drugs.
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My two cents..I've been around forever (ARISTIMUQOH) (since the internet started working). This is one of the few BB boards that has been running for many years and to make a long story short, genetics will always play a major role, the digestive system, hormone receptors, etc. are not the same for everyone, so some people can gain a lot of muscle with little gear... just by eating and training smart... I have met the best IFBB BBs that in the off season with 1.5 grams of test and 6 IU of HGH 4-5 days a week become huge, if you need a lot of gear forget to make a carrer in BB for your health. Of course always sticking the best to your body... human grade stuff almost is not available in these days..and there are a lot of garbage (cheaper) in the market..
vigorus steve says that in order to be a mass monster ie. 240+ under 8% bf all that is needed is test, slin and gh
my x-coach JM Blakely this fella who created the JM press told me his sweet spot test dose was 750 mgs and more than than added no more benifit Milos Sarcev said the same, most others in jootube say max effective dose of test is 1250 mg MAX
but genetics are the trump card no doubt bout it
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vigorus steve says that in order to be a mass monster ie. 240+ under 8% bf all that is needed is test, slin and gh
my x-coach JM Blakely this fella who created the JM press told me his sweet spot test dose was 750 mgs and more than than added no more benifit Milos Sarcev said the same, most others in jootube say max effective dose of test is 1250 mg MAX
but genetics are the trump card no doubt bout it
sounds sense to me,,, slin protocols has been very wrong in this last era... 20 years ago almost all pro contenders discontinued any slin usage 3 months before a contest and that is why the looked more shreded
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THE steroid guru Dan Duchaine used to say that up to 2 grams was the best for most people. but using 2grams and more didn't really produce good results vs side effects. BUT if you hit the 5 gram mark then you really would grow. And he also said if you didn't grow on dianabol and deca then your were not going to grow. He even said gh was really a waste of money when used like they were using it during his day. He said the amount a person would have to take was so expensive that most couldn't afford it .
Oh and this talk about the 70s using pharma being better than ug is not right. first of all !00 mg of testosterone is 100 mg of testosterone weather pharma or ug. The problem is either ug is way under dosed or no gear at all and the second is the guys back in the 70s busted their ass in the gym. PERIOD
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vigorus steve says that in order to be a mass monster ie. 240+ under 8% bf all that is needed is test, slin and gh
my x-coach JM Blakely this fella who created the JM press told me his sweet spot test dose was 750 mgs and more than than added no more benifit Milos Sarcev said the same, most others in jootube say max effective dose of test is 1250 mg MAX
but genetics are the trump card no doubt bout it
Some powerlifters need 750 mg, others need much more. I know a former world record holder who used 10-14 g of testosterone a week. 1.5-2 g per day!
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Some powerlifters need 750 mg, others need much more. I know a former world record holder who used 10-14 g of testosterone a week. 1.5-2 g per day!
Holy shit!!!
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Holy shit!!!
Now 54 years old, he still trains hard and stays healthy.