Galeniko please grace us with your nutritional strategy

[Primemuscle]

Hey Prime, if you don't mind me asking:

Did you have prostatitis before you got diagnosed with cancer?

After the prostatectomy, did you get ED? Did viagra help, or did the docs mess up the nerves when they pulled out the prostate?

It runs in my family, and I'm getting ready for the inevitable and trying to talk to guys who've gone thru what you've gone thru. It's a very strong likelihood for me.

I've had issues with prostatitis for as long a I can remember. I was prescribed and took Finesteride and previously Proscar for decades to treat it and the inevitable enlarged prostate. When my prostate was removed the doctor said it was the size of a racket ball....which is much bigger then a walnut as it is supposed to be.

I had 4 biopsies over the course to several years because my PSA was unstable and sometimes high. More recently, my doctor prescribed testosterone cypionate at my request to treat low test levels. It was because of this that we were watching my PSA numbers very closely. Had it not been for the fact that I was injecting testosterone, the cancer could have gone undetected for much longer. As it is, I was lucky in that it was discovered very early on; stage 1 or 2 and well confined within the prostate.

Prostate issues are common among men of a certain age. I am of that age at 68 years. I have no idea if it ran in my family as I had no communication with my father after the age of 8.  My father died of stomach cancer when he was 61 years of age.

I have had issues with ED for many years. It sure hasn't gotten any better since my prostate was removed. The surgery I elected was nerve sparing and the doctor is very experienced with the Da Vinci robotic prostatectomy. Viagra and other oral meds seem not to work for me. I am using Tri-mix which is an injectable medication. It works every time. It can be expensive though and insurance does not pay for it. The other problem some guys have is incontinence. Fortunately, this has not been an issue for me. I cannot imagine working out while wearing Depends.  

[King Shizzo]

I've had issues with prostatitis for as long a I can remember. I was prescribed and took Finesteride and previously Proscar for decades to treat it and the inevitable enlarged prostate. When my prostate was removed the doctor said it was the size of a racket ball....which is much bigger then a walnut as it is supposed to be.

I had 4 biopsies over the course to several years because my PSA was unstable and sometimes high. More recently, my doctor prescribed testosterone cypionate at my request to treat low test levels. It was because of this that we were watching my PSA numbers very closely. Had it not been for the fact that I was injecting testosterone, the cancer could have gone undetected for much longer. As it is, I was lucky in that it was discovered very early on; stage 1 or 2 and well confined within the prostate.

Prostate issues are common among men of a certain age. I am of that age at 68 years. I have no idea if it ran in my family as I had no communication with my father after the age of 8.  My father died of stomach cancer when he was 61 years of age.

I have had issues with ED for many years. It sure hasn't gotten any better since my prostate was removed. The surgery I elected was nerve sparing and the doctor is very experienced with the Da Vinci robotic prostatectomy. Viagra and other oral meds seem not to work for me. I am using Tri-mix which is an injectable medication. It works every time. It can be expensive though and insurance does not pay for it. The other problem some guys have is incontinence. Fortunately, this has not been an issue for me. I cannot imagine working out while wearing Depends.  

Very informative. Still a meltdown.

[CalvinH]

i know you did

im just putting some facts out there

debunking the myths

lots of people that claim to have will power

have simply swapped food for drugs

not a long term strategy that works

Then there's tbomz.swapped coke for steroids then swapped steroids for cock

[Primemuscle]

AMEN!!!

Thanks Prime. I hope your situation is well or getting better also. Dead on what you said..... Often we get so focused on something or just simply doing the motions over and over again we forget about other things in life or the big picture. I never thought I was going to compete, be a pro, thought I was the biggest dude around, but yeah you do get in the mindset of eat, workout, a little of this and that then sleep. Then there is reality... Of course we all know EVERY GETTBIGGER is huge, shredded, pulls a ton of ass, and makes money thousands of dollars a day while posting here 

But seriously, I am not wise mine here to preach nor have I made big money yet. Whatever you define "RICH" as and I'm not talking about Piana, whether it be having boatloads of money fucking foreign broads or having a simple life doing some career that your passionate about.... You can have a body you want and succeed in other parts of your life which I think we often as "bodybuilders" or guys who focus on our body so much forget. It's makes me wonder why some amateur level bodybuilder would spend so many thousands of dollars on gear every year plus live the lifestyle which is a task for what? To step on a stage in a thong full of a bunch of schmoes and his family to flex for a chance at a trophy or couple hundred dollar prize? Not my cup of tea, but to each his own... if that's your main goal in life fuck everyone and keep doing it lol

I am a really healthy person overall. I am in good (not excellent) shape for a man of any age and especially a guy my age. I started out as a skinny twink when I was 16 years old. That's what motivated me to want to build muscle and gain size. I had a great mentor who got me started on the right road. There was a time back then when my only goal was to be big. I maxed out at 225 when I was 29 years old. I also felt like shit most of the time, at least physically. Although I was just a shade under six feet tall, genetically I am probably an ectomorph who was trying to be and endomorph and probably looked more like a mesomorph. LOL. I admit there is a good degree of narcissism that played into the choice to devote a lot of time and energy to bodybuilding. I suspect this is true for a lot of people who body build. Today I weigh 208, give or take a pound or two from day to day. I am not ripped. This could be due to the fact that I have no patience for cardio. I eat fairly clean without being obsessive about it. I workout 6 days a week and my routine runs about an hour. I work mainly one body part or muscle group each day. This allows me a 7 day recovery period which seems right for someone my age. I still have goals which are hopefully not unrealistic. Right now I am trying to get back into decent shape after taking the better part of 18 months off while I licked my wounds, so to speak.

Some people are obsessed with being rich. I had a really materialistically comfortable life as a kid. Being super rich has never been at the forefront of my life goals. What I lacked as a child was a stable family life. I have made (successfully) every effort to have a good family life as an adult. It was my good fortune to hook up with my wife whose goals coincided with mine. We have been happily married for nearly 50 years and my wife and I have a beautiful and wonderful family.

Variety is the spice of life, I believe. It is healthy to have a lot of different interests. Even as a retired person, I remain actively involved in several areas of interest. The hour or so a day I devote solely to staying healthy an fit by lifting at the gym is reasonable. It is definitely not my who life. I remember in past times working out for a couple of hours a day, worrying about everything I ate and obsessing about getting bigger. It was like being on a roll-a-coaster ride, because I would eventually burn out and have to step back to regroup and get my life back on track.

I have been fortunate in that I only took doctor prescribed dosages of steroids back when they were legal to prescribe. The D-bol and test shots I had as a young made help me add some muscle when there was almost none, or so it seemed to me. Today, because of age mainly, my doctor prescribed testosterone cypionate to get my test levels up. Almost 9 months following the prostatectomy, my test levels had dropped to a smidge over 200. Injecting only 200 mg every other week for three months has doubled this number. When I saw the doctor last week, he agreed to let my raise the dosage to 300 mg every two weeks. Compared to a lot of crazy folks who buy illegal stuff and make up their own dosage, what I am taking must seem wimpy. The difference is I am taking it to be healthier not to become a roided out monster as if that were even a possibility.

Following you health crisis you are obviously more concerned about being healthy then about getting huge. Hang onto this, because it is the right way to go. You'll not only be healthier in the long run, you'll most likely be happier. Anyway, being cut seems to becoming much more popular that being huge these days. I've notice more than a few guys at the gym where I work out have appeared to slim down while maintaining the muscles they've worked for. One young guy I know has dropped about 25 lbs. He looks much better and his skin has improved....no more roid related acne on his shoulders and back.
  

[njflex]

I am a really healthy person overall. I am in good (not excellent) shape for a man of any age and especially a guy my age. I started out as a skinny twink when I was 16 years old. That's what motivated me to want to build muscle and gain size. I had a great mentor who got me started on the right road. There was a time back then when my only goal was to be big. I maxed out at 225 when I was 29 years old. I also felt like shit most of the time, at least physically. Although I was just a shade under six feet tall, genetically I am probably an ectomorph who was trying to be and endomorph and probably looked more like a mesomorph. LOL. I admit there is a good degree of narcissism that played into the choice to devote a lot of time and energy to bodybuilding. I suspect this is true for a lot of people who body build. Today I weigh 208, give or take a pound or two from day to day. I am not ripped. This could be due to the fact that I have no patience for cardio. I eat fairly clean without being obsessive about it. I workout 6 days a week and my routine runs about an hour. I work mainly one body part or muscle group each day. This allows me a 7 day recovery period which seems right for someone my age. I still have goals which are hopefully not unrealistic. Right now I am trying to get back into decent shape after taking the better part of 18 months off while I licked my wounds, so to speak.

Some people are obsessed with being rich. I had a really materialistically comfortable life as a kid. Being super rich has never been at the forefront of my life goals. What I lacked as a child was a stable family life. I have made (successfully) every effort to have a good family life as an adult. It was my good fortune to hook up with my wife whose goals coincided with mine. We have been happily married for nearly 50 years and my wife and I have a beautiful and wonderful family.

Variety is the spice of life, I believe. It is healthy to have a lot of different interests. Even as a retired person, I remain actively involved in several areas of interest. The hour or so a day I devote solely to staying healthy an fit by lifting at the gym is reasonable. It is definitely not my who life. I remember in past times working out for a couple of hours a day, worrying about everything I ate and obsessing about getting bigger. It was like being on a roll-a-coaster ride, because I would eventually burn out and have to step back to regroup and get my life back on track.

I have been fortunate in that I only took doctor prescribed dosages of steroids back when they were legal to prescribe. The D-bol and test shots I had as a young made help me add some muscle when there was almost none, or so it seemed to me. Today, because of age mainly, my doctor prescribed testosterone cypionate to get my test levels up. Almost 9 months following the prostatectomy, my test levels had dropped to a smidge over 200. Injecting only 200 mg every other week for three months has doubled this number. When I saw the doctor last week, he agreed to let my raise the dosage to 300 mg every two weeks. Compared to a lot of crazy folks who buy illegal stuff and make up their own dosage, what I am taking must seem wimpy. The difference is I am taking it to be healthier not to become a roided out monster as if that were even a possibility.

Following you health crisis you are obviously more concerned about being healthy then about getting huge. Hang onto this, because it is the right way to go. You'll not only be healthier in the long run, you'll most likely be happier. Anyway, being cut seems to becoming much more popular that being huge these days. I've notice more than a few guys at the gym where I work out have appeared to slim down while maintaining the muscles they've worked for. One young guy I know has dropped about 25 lbs. He looks much better and his skin has improved....no more roid related acne on his shoulders and back.
  

JAY UR DOING FINE..STAY IN IT,,BETTER THAN NOT DOING ANYTHING AT ALL,AND YOU STILL PUSH SOME WEIGHTS HARD,,

[Primemuscle]

Very informative. Still a meltdown.

-Don't know how old you are, but when I was in my 20's none of this would not have seemed at all relevant to me. I think you have to be there for it to mean anything. However, if what I wrote informs anyone that everyone is vulnerable and it is wise to start having you PSA checked at some point in your life, even if only to establish a baseline. Furthermore, if you use gear, all the more reason to keep a handle on your good health.

I thought I did all my "melting down" right after I was diagnosed with prostate cancer and leading up to the decision to have my prostate removed. Maybe there is a little residual melting down going on with me. Clearly, any hope or delusions I had about being a "stud" went out the window this past year. Even for an old guy like me who is usually very rational and not too big on emotions, this has been a hard transition.

Feel free to call me on it, if I seem to be getting a little nostalgic or morose about this (as in melting down).  

[King Shizzo]

-Don't know how old you are, but when I was in my 20's none of this would not have seemed at all relevant to me. I think you have to be there for it to mean anything. However, if what I wrote informs anyone that everyone is vulnerable and it is wise to start having you PSA checked at some point in your life, even if only to establish a baseline. Furthermore, if you use gear, all the more reason to keep a handle on your good health.

I thought I did all my "melting down" right after I was diagnosed with prostate cancer and leading up to the decision to have my prostate removed. Maybe there is a little residual melting down going on with me. Clearly, any hope or delusions I had about being a "stud" went out the window this past year. Even for an old guy like me who is usually very rational and not too big on emotions, this has been a hard transition.

Feel free to call me on it, if I seem to be getting a little nostalgic or morose about this (as in melting down).  

I have to give you my signature:

[Primemuscle]

I have to give you my signature:

Cool.  

[ukjeff]

cocaine is a hell of a drug

I competed in a show weighing 14'10 and then decided to do a light heavy show two weeks later.
I mentioned it backstage to one of my fellow competitors and he said, "How are you going to lose the weight, do coke for two weeks?"
I just said "no, I'm going to diet" 

[cephissus]

to your first point. you got hurt feelings cause i called you a retard for thinking that your losing muscle on 1500 cals a day, and pointed out that mayyyyyybe, just maybe you didnt really have all that much muscle to begin with.

And you were talking about projection?  All I said was I don't think I look as good now at my current weight as I did the last time I was at my current weight, which gave me some doubts.  Either you're too lazy to read, or you're just ignoring this so you can give a rant.

have you stopped to consider that you are too mentally weak to do this diet? or any diet for that matter? you think dieting is easy? if it was everyone would look like gal. but it isnt . its hard work. 'oh nooo i have headaches wah wah wah' lol fucking please. ever stop to think why you've never been in shape in your life is because a) the 'diets' you follow suck, and b) you lack the discipline to stay on them long enough to see any real results?

Wow!  "never been in shape in my life", "lack willpower".  You couldn't be further off the mark with this statement if you were completely blindfolded.  About my "lack of willpower" -- I did "starvation diets" similar to what's outlined in this thread growing up, as a teenager, of my own free will, without anyone telling me a thing.  I've practically worked myself out into an early grave, as well... I've never seen a single person in the gym with demonstrably "more willpower" than myself.  And lastly, I've never been out of shape in my life, unless you count the several years I purposely tried to "bulk".

to your second point. you want to see 'resoundingly' successful results in one week. you lose 10 pounds in 10 days or whatever it is but you think its not enough cause you didnt magically wake up with an 8 pack the day after going on the diet, and holy shit you weight 5 pounds more! your a fucking retard.

Bunch of nonsense you hallucinated.  Where did I say any of this?  p.s. it's "you're".

you come here, tell me bullshit in support of your 'claims' (hahah im loooosing muscle on 1500ca)

Again, hallucinations.  I mentioned it was a concern, where did I talk about any "bullshit support"?  You mean that I "don't think I look as good as I did last time I was at this weight"?  Because that's ALL i said "in support" of my concern... and I'd love to hear how that is "bullshit".

and get a prolapsed colon when i rebuttal it with the truth.

LOL "the truth" in your mind is a bunch of rambling "reasoning" about why your diet works, mixed in with a bunch of off-base assumptions.  Maybe if you actually had read my post on pseudoscience, which was quite informative and well-written, instead of skimming it and and just vomiting all that bile you've got stewing within, you might have learned something.

I've tried being polite with you, but I guess it's not getting through.  My point, reiterated: you're coming off like a raving lunatic.  I'm not even criticizing your "method", and yet you fly off the handle with baseless assumptions and totally misplaced rants about "broscience".

[cephissus]

cesiphuss, theres no need to philosoph around it.

not sure what you mean?

anyway, as i've said a number of times now, i'm sticking to it for now.  i was just mentioning some things i noticed from my experiences.  namely, that i wasn't really all that hungry, instead i got other bad symptoms before hunger came around which compelled me to eat.  

experiences will vary.  to put it simply, if i ate 3 times a day (as you have said you do) for a total 200g protein and 50g fat, there is no way, based on my experiences, i would ever even come close to having bad hunger pangs.

this is not a criticism. it's not some sort of challenge. it's just information.  observations like these show that some adjustment to the guidelines is needed to maintain consistency, in my case, perhaps in others' too.  if anything, i think you would find this information useful...

ps ETA = estimated time of arrival

also, for no one's sake, i should add that i actually felt i looked quite good in the gym yesterday, which restored my hopes a bit.

[f450]

cesiphuss, theres no need to philosoph around it.

its proven to work, backed up pics and everything, its now take it or leave it.

its beyond debate since a while, the getting shredded part was done and proven long ago,kinda, andwere already into proving the maintenance works just as good.

it doesnt get any simpler than that, but the main pillars of the diet must be follwed or it just fails.

how can ppl think this will work on 100gramm protein, with booze every single day, going off gear and then start the diet etcetc, i seen it all.

when we say follwed as precisely as possible, we mean it.

and yeah its hard, hunger will be your brother,your shaddow, but its no harder than other "succesful" diets, while being through faster.

im sitting here and writing  on the booklet any free minute i get and then i see ppl not doing as suggested and asking themselves whats up.

makes me wanna just stop writing,i could go out and enjoy the sun a bit or something, but im almost through , so yeah will finish it.

its take it or leave it.

ofc noone will be harsh in tone when ppl dont get it.

noone has thick skin though, he can take attacks and speak forhimself very well, not sure if ppl remember the huge fallouts he and myself had back in the day,that was sheer knuckles, no gloves.

i seriously doubt that someone can go through a diet who gets upset and histerical about a little bit internet insults.

Of course the finished product will be available to all getbiggers for free for a limited time..... right 

[cephissus]

e-book, for sure

[cswol]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100827699

[Psychopath]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100827699

Is this cnbc's pc way of saying taco bell sell dildo's?

[Nomad]

god damnit im fuckign up. stalled at 190.

Cooking way too many delicious burgers. Need to eat chicken, vegies and eggs.

Galeniko, what do you think of the following:

1/2 cup milk
1/2 cup oatmeal
3 scoops whey protein. 

Mix it all and eat.

[njflex]

nah its too "un-diety" must be more pale food.

im not joking, you can forget milk and diary and oatmeals, i swear that wouldnt work for me.

it also takes away too many calories youd need for the protein.

theres very little leeway here.

gali's right ,,dairy is out,,causes water film in skin blurs leaness ,hold watery look could be slight depending on person.but goal is dry like your back pic,steamed chicken/brocolli and then wait,,,,,,,,eat again later.

[Dominic]

Waiting impatiently for the ebook lol like a lil kid during Christmas.

[calfzilla]

Can I get special recognition for posing the question and starting the thread. Maybe write the foreword. 

[monstermunch]

Gal, I know you said no dairy but what about a little cottage cheese? 

[bigmc]

I competed in a show weighing 14'10 and then decided to do a light heavy show two weeks later.
I mentioned it backstage to one of my fellow competitors and he said, "How are you going to lose the weight, do coke for two weeks?"
I just said "no, I'm going to diet" 

its another one of bb dirty little secrets

bottom line is that people that will shoot gear, hgh and insulin have no qualms sticking cocaine into the mix

[Conker]

I don't agree with this notion that it's so difficult to lose muscle while dieting, maybe if on steroids it is but not natural. Most of the scientific studies I've seen show that people lose a significant amount of lean mass along with fat whilst iin a calorie deficit and those studies are not on very extreme calorie deficits.

I once dieted naturally from a very fat 17.1 stone down to a still fat 14.1 , took me 3 months on 1600cals didn't have a single cheat day in the whole time and hardly a soul noticed I lost a thing(weight training regularly), I certainly lost a significant amount of muscle . I then started a bit of juice and was up to 14 1/2 stone in the following 3 months and then everyone was telling me how much weight i'd lost and how good i looked!

I think it is a mistake to think that what will work for someone assisted will work the same for naturals. I personally believe naturals need to diet much more slowly to avoid too much muscle loss.

[cephissus]

what differences, besides the 50g of fat?  i don't remember reading about any other differences?  maybe i missed something?

[calfzilla]

yeah ok, something like special mentions.haha, some are already mentioned haha
and theres 1 or 2 joke-ish chapters (im dead serious about it though), 1of them i have to say is a piece of art

^

I bet your friend cswol gets special mention. 

[growing lad]

Lol how did this become 60 odd pages!?

Gal gives everyone quickest way to cut fat.

200g+ protein trace fats trace carbs
Chicken, turkey, tuna, broccoli

Train hard with weights, take some peds (adrol) to hang on to muscle.
Use will power not fat burners & starve the fat off
Cardio, if u want but not necessary with this big kcal deficit
It's not easy and this is why most people are fat arses

When ur shredded every few days you can enjoy some yum yum then get back on track.

"Gal can I have oats, milk & whey?" Seriously!?

No wonder no one is losing it with some of you